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Speaker 4: Oh hey, it's a lady who went to Hawaii on
Speaker 4: a squid research expedition and fit in an Ologies interview
Speaker 4: while I was there. Hi, it's Sally Ward. This is
Speaker 4: Smologies and Smologies are kid friendly. All ages episodes that
Speaker 4: we have cut down and sculpted to be shorter, And
Speaker 4: this week we bring you a lovely fellow who was
Speaker 4: a joy to meet up with on the island of
Speaker 4: o Wahoo and Hawaii, So get ready for him. This
Speaker 4: dude loves flags. I love him for it. Okay, vexillology.
Speaker 4: Aren't you glad that there's a parenthetical flags after that?
Speaker 4: Because who knows what vexillology means? Where does this word
Speaker 4: even come from? Okay, buckle up, it's about to get cute.
Speaker 4: So vexillology has its roots in Latin for little sale
Speaker 4: vellama as a sale or a curtain, and it's related
Speaker 4: to veil. It was coined in nineteen fifty nine by
Speaker 4: a flag enthusiast and designer and political scholar, the late
Speaker 4: Whitney Smith Junior. And if you're like I wish I
Speaker 4: were a vexillologist, but you're just a flag fan, don't worry.
Speaker 4: You're still a vexillilophile. You're about to go through quite
Speaker 4: a journey hearing about everything from why flags exist, to
Speaker 4: what flags have to do with conspiracy theories to some
Speaker 4: pirate trivia, why Hawaii has a Union jack on its flag,
Speaker 4: the hardest flags to draw, which colors we don't see
Speaker 4: on flag? And why, how to design a flag, who
Speaker 4: designed our modern American flag? And how you two can
Speaker 4: have fun with flags all year round. So get ready
Speaker 4: to fly high with flag professional and vexillologist, Tory Laide.
Speaker 5: Lagious pology pologist.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this vex vexillologist vexillologist got his bachelor's in
Speaker 4: museum studies at the University of Manoah in Hawaii and
Speaker 4: spent seventeen years as a registrar in Honolulu's Mayor's Office
Speaker 4: of Culture and the Arts. He was an expert in
Speaker 4: charge of public art collections and who flies what flags.
Speaker 4: When the dude digs flags, he loves fabric. I always
Speaker 4: think of, like how easy to pan has it. When
Speaker 4: you're a kid and you have to draw your flag,
Speaker 4: You're like, I got a dot in the middle, I'm
Speaker 4: good to go. And then Mexico's like I gotta draw
Speaker 4: a serpent and some kind of bird. Some flags are
Speaker 4: just geometric blocks, and then others have these drawings on
Speaker 4: them that are difficult to replicate. Who decided what goes
Speaker 4: on a flag?
Speaker 6: So it's it's usually the country, okay, or the head
Speaker 6: of state.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: So if you look like a lot of older flags, they
Speaker 6: are just you know, sometimes one, two, three colors, horizontal
Speaker 6: lines or vertical lines, you know, stripes, and you know
Speaker 6: that goes back to heraldry where there was the king,
Speaker 6: and he might have a coat of arms and it
Speaker 6: might have one or two colors, so you replicate that
Speaker 6: on the flag.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, quick aside about the Japanese flag also called
Speaker 4: the Hnumorrow, So that big crimson dot is representing the
Speaker 4: sun because Japan is known as the land of the
Speaker 4: Rising Sun. And while they're big signature red dot on
Speaker 4: a field of white has been used since the fourteen hundreds.
Speaker 4: It was designed formally in eighteen seventy. It wasn't legally
Speaker 4: adopted until nineteen ninety nine. That's like being engaged for
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty nine years. Everyone just assumes you're married,
Speaker 4: but really there's drama at home. So folks opposed didn't
Speaker 4: like a certain shift toward post war nationalism, so adopting
Speaker 4: it officially was a big deal. But it's been twenty
Speaker 4: years since it's been the flag of Japan. Bonus. It's
Speaker 4: pretty easy to draw, though, why is this a bonus?
Speaker 4: According to the North American Vexillological Society's two thousand and
Speaker 4: six edict Good Flag, Bad Flag, there are a few
Speaker 4: key principles to designing a good flag. The five principles
Speaker 4: are keep it simple, The flag should be so simple
Speaker 4: that a child can draw it from memory or an
Speaker 4: adult who's bad at drawing too. Use meaningful symbolism. Number three,
Speaker 4: use two or three basic colors. Number four no lettering
Speaker 4: or seal. Never use writing of any kind or an
Speaker 4: organization's seal. Wow, that law's broken a lot. Number five
Speaker 4: be distinctive or be related, so avoid duplicating other flags,
Speaker 4: but use some similarities to show connections. Now, Mexico, I
Speaker 4: love you your flag.
Speaker 7: MM.
Speaker 4: Growing up trying to draw the flag of Mexico with
Speaker 4: this ornate eagle eating a serpent well perched on a
Speaker 4: prickly pair, this was an exercise of childhood artistic humility,
Speaker 4: or really for anyone without a studio art degree. But
Speaker 4: I did some reading and knowing it's a symbol delivered
Speaker 4: by a god of war via a dream to an
Speaker 4: Aztec leader about where to settle what's now Mexico City,
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, yes, this flag is very beautiful
Speaker 4: and I love it Mexico. Please don't be offended if
Speaker 4: my rendition looks like a cat eating a noodle. Now,
Speaker 4: what are you going to do for further?
Speaker 6: July fourth of July, I will fly the bets of
Speaker 6: Gross flag.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, and now I need to look up her story.
Speaker 4: Do you like her stories at Worth Telling? Are you like? Eh,
Speaker 4: it's apocryphal. Apocryphal means it's doubtful or dubious, it's sketchy,
Speaker 4: a bit suss, you get it.
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: You know, there are theories on who or who came
Speaker 6: about with the flag, and there is some evidence for
Speaker 6: that she did so a flag and with the stars
Speaker 6: in the circle arrangement. We will acknowledge that as being
Speaker 6: the Betsy Ross design, although there were other designs at
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 4: Is there any truth in George Washington's wife?
Speaker 6: So there's a story that's passed down. There's the Ross
Speaker 6: family that says, you know, there were a meeting and
Speaker 6: the generals got together and Bets Ross was the wife
Speaker 6: of one of the generals and Washington was there. They
Speaker 6: did a little sketch and so she sowed the flag.
Speaker 6: And so there is that story that's the truth.
Speaker 4: What do you think happened?
Speaker 6: There were other flags that were flown by American patriots
Speaker 6: at the time. I mean we from them were familiar with,
Speaker 6: like the Bunker Hill flag or the gats And flag
Speaker 6: that don't tread on me flag, And so you have
Speaker 6: these other flags that were used during the American Revolution,
Speaker 6: and the red and white or the stars and stripes
Speaker 6: that came to be called you know, really became the
Speaker 6: one that was accepted nationally.
Speaker 4: What do you think about the don't tread on me flag?
Speaker 6: It's fine, you know, it's another flag that has its uses,
Speaker 6: and some people have adopted it today to mean other things. Right.
Speaker 4: Gadson's flag side note is primarily mustard yellow, and it
Speaker 4: features this impossibly coiled and I guess ready to strike
Speaker 4: rattlesnake with thirteen rattles representing the original colonies. It dates
Speaker 4: back to that time and it's sometimes used in modern
Speaker 4: day by conservative parties to harken back I guess to
Speaker 4: an arrow when the country was smaller and we didn't
Speaker 4: have indoor plumbing, and rattlesnakes were able to hover in
Speaker 4: the air like a broken mattress. Spring must have been
Speaker 4: a wild era. But there are some mocking don't tread
Speaker 4: on me memes that are just a source of priceless parody.
Speaker 4: I suggest you google these. My favorites involves a cartoon
Speaker 4: baby snake that just says please no STEPPI and then
Speaker 4: there's one that retains the original don't tread on me text,
Speaker 4: but just the image of a single lego. Anyway, changing
Speaker 4: up flags for fun. So do you have a calendar
Speaker 4: memorized or do you have a planner that has like, hey,
Speaker 4: change a flag today.
Speaker 6: I try and write significant dates on my calendar.
Speaker 4: Hmm, that's smart. Do you check it every day?
Speaker 6: I still have a written calendar?
Speaker 4: Oh, got me too, I'm.
Speaker 6: Very low check. I have a wall calendar on my
Speaker 6: wallet home and a desk calendar on my desk at work.
Speaker 6: And they're both handwritten notations, so they have to have
Speaker 6: big square so you can put things in them. And
Speaker 6: I'll just go back and forth and check. And there
Speaker 6: are a few historical calendars out there that are really
Speaker 6: fun to look at. You know, they have like on
Speaker 6: this day in history, and so you can you add
Speaker 6: those to your calendars, which I ever seem the significant
Speaker 6: or that you enjoy and put them on your calendar.
Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite looking flag, one that you're
Speaker 4: just like, man, I wish we had that one.
Speaker 6: Well, one of my favorite flags. Is hard to tell
Speaker 6: which one is your favorite, because there's a there's a
Speaker 6: flag I fly a lot at home. But a really
Speaker 6: cool looking flag is Ohio.
Speaker 4: What really, I'm sorry, Ohio for doubting you. Okay, tell
Speaker 4: me about it.
Speaker 6: It's a swallow tail.
Speaker 4: Pennant, Ohio, I had no idea you had what patent
Speaker 4: holding flag designer John Eisman describes as a quote triangular,
Speaker 4: forked or swallowtailed flag, corresponding to the shape generally known
Speaker 4: as a cavalriquid on or broad pennant. So beloved is
Speaker 4: Ohio's flag. It's even sold as a necklace. So a
Speaker 4: patented pennant pendant, if I may be a pedant.
Speaker 6: So that means it's pointy. But then the end isn't
Speaker 6: a point. It's got a swallow tail in it, so
Speaker 6: it can you can fly it upside down. It still
Speaker 6: looks right side up. But who else has a swallow
Speaker 6: tail pennant?
Speaker 4: No one? How they get so fancy? They got tuxtails.
Speaker 6: Well, it's all about the hills and the valleys and
Speaker 6: the rivers of Ohio.
Speaker 4: Oh Man and ever the rest of us. I'll just
Speaker 4: have squares.
Speaker 6: So there is a government specification on the ratio of
Speaker 6: the flag, the height and the width, but most of us,
Speaker 6: in practical usage will fly what's referred to as the
Speaker 6: NATO standard.
Speaker 4: Okay, some standard sizes three by five, four x six.
Speaker 4: But what's the smallest flag? You want to know? Is
Speaker 4: it the size of like your thumbnail, your pinky nail? Smaller?
Speaker 4: Is it the size of a crumb of banana bread? Oh,
Speaker 4: you have no idea. So I looked it up, and
Speaker 4: according to the Guinness Book of World Records, there exists
Speaker 4: a flag that is one one hundredth the width of
Speaker 4: a human hair. It's only viewable with an electron microscope.
Speaker 4: Who made this? What wizardry is this? What is on
Speaker 4: the flag a maple leaf? And it was made with
Speaker 4: UV photo lithography on a wafer coated with electrons sensitive
Speaker 4: hydrogen sales sequiozane film by the Institute for Quantum Computing
Speaker 4: NanoFab in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. I'm pretty sure I said
Speaker 4: some of those words wrong. Please bear with me, nanotechnologists, Canadians.
Speaker 4: This achievement is small, but it is mighty. It's absurdly
Speaker 4: awesome and it makes the palm size Hawaiian flag. Torri
Speaker 4: gave me. It just seems gargantuan in comparison. And now, okay,
Speaker 4: tell me a little bit about the Hawaiian flag, because
Speaker 4: what I know from being here this week is that
Speaker 4: there are great ways to make a statement with a
Speaker 4: flag that I didn't realize that you could do. And
Speaker 4: so the Hawaiian flag, how would you describe it?
Speaker 6: The Hawaiian flag is rectangular, The ratio is one to two, okay.
Speaker 6: It has a field of h stripes with white, red
Speaker 6: and blue alternating, and a union jack in the canton.
Speaker 4: Just a side note. A canton in vexillology is a
Speaker 4: quadrant of the flag, usually the upper left corner, which
Speaker 4: is like a position of honor on a flag. It's
Speaker 4: where on a US flag the fifty stars are. It's
Speaker 4: like a picture and picture but for flags. How did
Speaker 4: they come up with this design?
Speaker 6: So it was during the reign of Commandmea, the first
Speaker 6: where Hawai started trading, and so ships needed ways to
Speaker 6: recognize themselves when they went to foreign ports. And so
Speaker 6: when Hawaii started trading outside of Hawaii, they needed a
Speaker 6: flag to be recognized, and so they came up with
Speaker 6: the Hawaiian flag, and it was drafted by a British officer.
Speaker 4: Side note. Kamei Maya the Great was a ruler who
Speaker 4: united the Hawaiian Islands in the late seventeen hundreds. And
Speaker 4: here's a fun tidbit.
Speaker 7: His full name is Coloney put ya for here kaleki
Speaker 7: kekui kamemo, oh your loney.
Speaker 4: Hoke another fund tedbit. I did not say that Hawaiian
Speaker 4: born patron Iris McPherson did because I did not trust
Speaker 4: my mouth and brain and eyes to get it together
Speaker 4: on her anyway.
Speaker 7: Colony put ye for here kalekimi ke ekui kamemo.
Speaker 4: Oh your loney ruled through eighteen nineteen. And this has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with anything, but one of his wives
Speaker 4: took their throne after his death, and among the things
Speaker 4: she changed was that women were finally allowed to eat bananas.
Speaker 7: It's bananas.
Speaker 4: She was also Protestant. There was a lot of badness
Speaker 4: with missionaries. Eventually, the US took control of the Kingdom
Speaker 4: of Hawaii in eighteen ninety three in an overthrow the
Speaker 4: Congress assistance admitted was illegal, which is why, just in general,
Speaker 4: a Union jack flag seems a little awkward. It's kind
Speaker 4: of like dating someone who still has their exis name
Speaker 4: tattooed on their stomach, but also they never wanted to
Speaker 4: date you, but you're forcing them illegally anyway, everyone just
Speaker 4: shrugs like wow, that's a lot of bad stuff.
Speaker 6: And it does hold the Union Jack because of the
Speaker 6: close alliance between Hawaii and Britain at the time. Now,
Speaker 6: come hand me. The first liked flags too, so he
Speaker 6: would just fly whatever flag you liked. It is compound.
Speaker 4: Now, what is flown most commonly in Hawaii?
Speaker 6: You see the Hawaiian flag. Now, the Hawaiian flag, as
Speaker 6: far as I know, is the only flag that has
Speaker 6: flown unchanged for five different forms of government.
Speaker 4: Why is that? Why didn't they switch it up at all?
Speaker 6: I guess for continuity. I mean it flew under a
Speaker 6: absolute monarchy, constitutional monarchy, a republic, a territory, and a state,
Speaker 6: and they did not change the flag.
Speaker 4: When it became a state. The US didn't say like, okay,
Speaker 4: real cute, you got a Union Jack. That air is
Speaker 4: over people.
Speaker 6: Well you know it was there the territory and they
Speaker 6: just they kept the flag.
Speaker 4: And I have heard a little bit about the way
Speaker 4: the flag is flown can express different viewpoints, sentiments, protestations.
Speaker 4: Perhaps is it flown upside down right side? What what
Speaker 4: does it mean?
Speaker 6: So when a flag or any flag is flown upside
Speaker 6: down or visibly upside down, it's a sign of distress,
Speaker 6: a little help place. So it's usually like maybe sending
Speaker 6: out an SOS signal to somebody, because there was a
Speaker 6: time where flags were our communication. So when a ship
Speaker 6: came into port and you're expecting somebody to be on
Speaker 6: that ship, if you saw their flag at half mast
Speaker 6: masked on a ship, you knew somebody had passed away.
Speaker 6: If it was flying upside down, you know that that
Speaker 6: ship was in trouble or distress.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, you'd have to know a little bit about
Speaker 4: the flag that you're looking at.
Speaker 6: Correct right and then some flags they look the same
Speaker 6: right side, right side up or upside down.
Speaker 4: Oh no, what do you do?
Speaker 6: There'd be in trouble.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you ever play flag football?
Speaker 6: I did play flag football?
Speaker 4: Were you like, I'm only using American and Hawaiian flags?
Speaker 6: Well, you have to remember when the term flag doesn't
Speaker 6: have to be these these these symbols. It could also
Speaker 6: be utilitarian, you know, like flag football, sprinkler flags, a
Speaker 6: checkered flag, you know, they have other meanings. And the
Speaker 6: more utilitarian semile four flags.
Speaker 4: What about uh surrender flags?
Speaker 6: That's more of an utilitarian tool because it didn't stand
Speaker 6: for anybody it was the white flag?
Speaker 4: Was that just someone taking gauze off?
Speaker 6: And what could be anything? I mean, you know, if
Speaker 6: you have the surrender, you use whatever you have.
Speaker 4: If someone take their underpants off, I got away something here?
Speaker 4: Can I ask you questions from listeners?
Speaker 6: Sure, I'm kind of exciting one hundred.
Speaker 4: And five questions about flags? But before we unfurl your questions,
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Speaker 4: Okay, onto your flag questions. People have been wanting this
Speaker 4: one for a while. You thought flags were boring, didn't you.
Speaker 4: People light them on fire, They'd die for them. So
Speaker 4: many of you wanted to know why they even exist, like,
Speaker 4: for example, Tarn Fernanz, Jack Steph, Julie Bear, Heather Decko, Erica,
Speaker 4: Ellen Vossakiel Holly Andrews, Deli Dames and jam Cruise. First
Speaker 4: time question asker says, was there a specific moment when
Speaker 4: flags became a thing for every country?
Speaker 6: Well, that's a good question because I would say flags
Speaker 6: and its use I mean go back to like Babylonia
Speaker 6: m hm and the Romans use them Okay, in different
Speaker 6: different styles and different ways. In Penance and Gonfalons as
Speaker 6: we use. But I think probably this is my opinion.
Speaker 6: You know, with the United Nations, the League of Nations
Speaker 6: or the United Nations, and then the Olympics is where
Speaker 6: you really needed something to rally behind politically, not necessarily
Speaker 6: for military. So I think flags really became more popular
Speaker 6: and more visible. And it's at the Olympics where you
Speaker 6: actually saw a duplication. Like there would be times where
Speaker 6: the country would have almost the same flag. Oh, sometimes
Speaker 6: the same color in the state, and so what do
Speaker 6: you do? It's like, you know, you show up at
Speaker 6: the party with the same dress. What do you do?
Speaker 4: Same gown of the oscars? You gotta change it? Now?
Speaker 4: Is that your favorite part of the Olympics? Are you
Speaker 4: there for the open ceremony?
Speaker 6: I like the opening ceremonies.
Speaker 4: Now. The next topic was also on the minds of
Speaker 4: patrons Megan King and Aviva Elizabeth Zane. Libram wants to
Speaker 4: know are there any vessels out there that still fly
Speaker 4: the black Jolly Roger flag and why do they do it?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 6: Okay? So are there are different So people think of
Speaker 6: the Jolly Roger as the one, and I've actually seen
Speaker 6: a Molly Roger. Oh so it's actually a kind of
Speaker 6: nine tails and the skull has liptick on it. The
Speaker 6: modern modern designer came with the Molly Roger. But you
Speaker 6: have these pirate flags, and they were slightly different, like
Speaker 6: I think Edward Teach had like a skeleton and a heart,
Speaker 6: and so they actually had meetings, but they were the
Speaker 6: black flag of the pirates. And not to endorse piracy,
Speaker 6: but you know there are those pirate ships that you
Speaker 6: can go on parties on they do fly the pirate flag.
Speaker 4: And why did they have that Jolly Roger? Was that
Speaker 4: just like a we're here and we're gonna mess your
Speaker 4: stuff up, so watch out everyone.
Speaker 6: Well that was that was the way that communicated with
Speaker 6: each other. And so sometimes a ship would fly a
Speaker 6: false flag to getting close and when they attacked, then
Speaker 6: they would fly up whatever flag that they're flying under.
Speaker 6: So privateers, remember privateers were the legal pirates, and then
Speaker 6: you had pirates.
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know that privateers were legal pirates.
Speaker 6: So a pirate would be raiding other ships, and a
Speaker 6: privateer was somebody waiting for their country. They were sanctioned.
Speaker 4: Ugh, so then they were just thieves and then they
Speaker 4: were like, I'm thieves for my country. Wow, Privateers Meredith.
Speaker 4: What we wants to know is there any significance in
Speaker 4: countries that have flags of the similar patterns and same
Speaker 4: colors but in different order, like France versus Paraguay, Belgium
Speaker 4: versus Germany, et cetera.
Speaker 6: Well, you have a lot of those we could say
Speaker 6: old world flags where they really are established and basing
Speaker 6: on national colors, so they're very, very simple, and so
Speaker 6: those are older flags as opposed to some of the
Speaker 6: modern flags where you have a little more iconography on
Speaker 6: or modern iconography. So you have like like the Scandinavian cross,
Speaker 6: like really all the countries of Scandinavia, it's that same
Speaker 6: cross pattern in different colors.
Speaker 4: So side note, why do so many Scandinavian countries have
Speaker 4: that Nordic cross motif? I was like, hmm, there's going
Speaker 4: to be some old like maybe where the land intersex
Speaker 4: with the sea or like the latitude of the summer sun.
Speaker 4: But now it's just a straight up Christianity symbol. So
Speaker 4: what about flags that look like Neapolitan ice cream?
Speaker 6: You know, it's like the tricolor of the French tricolor.
Speaker 6: I mean you have you know, Ireland and Italy it's
Speaker 6: it's basically using national colors just on a flag.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so it's just kind of like, hey, we're
Speaker 4: cousins a little bit.
Speaker 6: Or the flags are old enough. We just needed we
Speaker 6: just needed a couple of colors on it.
Speaker 4: Back then, back.
Speaker 6: Of the day, we just needed one or two colors
Speaker 6: on the flag. And it was just one color or
Speaker 6: two colors.
Speaker 4: And now, what is the thing that you love the
Speaker 4: most about your job or your life as an exillologist,
Speaker 4: or about flags.
Speaker 6: It's just a bit of history and to recognize what's
Speaker 6: what's been, what's in the past, and use some kind
Speaker 6: of visible symbol to recognize those dates. And I have
Speaker 6: a good job.
Speaker 4: I think. Do you think in the future we're just
Speaker 4: going to use space holograms for flags?
Speaker 6: I don't know about holograms, but you know how retro
Speaker 6: is becoming more popular. Maybe where we're going to go
Speaker 6: where maybe we'll regress a little bit.
Speaker 4: I love that you're keeping the past alive by continuing
Speaker 4: to make it cool because you're cool. Thank you so
Speaker 4: much for doing this. I love this so ask well
Speaker 4: dressed and informed people questions because there's weird trivia flying
Speaker 4: right over our heads all the time, you might as
Speaker 4: well ask about it. Go forward, ask questions now. For
Speaker 4: more info on flags, Nava dot org. Nava dot org
Speaker 4: is a great resource. You can find a local vexillological club.
Speaker 4: Let your nerd flag fly. We are at ologies on
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Speaker 4: We have episodes on toads and dinosaurs and bugs and
Speaker 4: eating bum ugs and the moon and so much more.
Speaker 4: And the full credit list is also in the show notes.
Speaker 4: But special thanks to Mercedes Maitland and Jarrett Sleeper of
Speaker 4: mind Gym Media for all the work on this one.
Speaker 4: And if you stick around it until the end of
Speaker 4: the episode, I give you a life tip. And this
Speaker 4: week's tip is, you know, sometimes if you're in a
Speaker 4: park or you're taking a walk, sometimes it's nice if
Speaker 4: you find a pretty leaf on the ground, take it home,
Speaker 4: put it in a heavy book, and chances are you're
Speaker 4: going to forget about it until like a year later,
Speaker 4: and you open up the book and you go, well,
Speaker 4: look at this boy, howdie a beautifully preserved leaf and
Speaker 4: then you can frame it or you can make a
Speaker 4: bookmark out of it. But it's always nice to tuck
Speaker 4: a leaf somewhere or a flower for yourself for later,
Speaker 4: and you go, oh, look at that, so pressed and
Speaker 4: flat and nice. Okay, that's it. Bye bye, solis.
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