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Speaker 1: Imagine, just for a moment, holding a glowing green gemstone

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right in the palm of your hand.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that is quite the visual to start.

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Speaker 1: With, right, It's perfectly smooth, and it's strangely heavier than

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it looks, and it feels well, it feels almost alive

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against your skin, like it has a pulse exactly because

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it's a stone that literally fell from the stars. It

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ripped through our atmosphere in this fiery, violent streak before

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slamming into the Earth with the force of a nuclear.

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Speaker 2: Detonation, a literal piece of cosmic debris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and because of that violent celestial birth, you believe, no,

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you are absolutely certain that it pulses with the raw,

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unfiltered power of the gods.

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Speaker 2: Which is a very natural human reaction to that kind

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of event.

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Speaker 1: It really is. So hold that image in your mind.

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Imagine that this exact same extraterrestrial stone, this chunk of

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stellar debris, is actually the true identity of the Holy Grail.

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Speaker 2: That completely flips the script on what we think we know.

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Speaker 1: Right, We aren't talking about a simple win and cup

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from a carpenter's table anymore. We are talking about an

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object so profoundly powerful, so fundamentally dangerous, that it was

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hunted by medieval nights across bloody battlefields, and hoarded by

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ancient kings in heavily fortified leadline temples, and.

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Speaker 2: Even desperately sought after by twentieth century empires trying to

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win a global war.

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Speaker 1: Yes, welcome to thrilling threads.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited for this one. We have a staggering

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collection of sources to get through today.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we really do.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about ancient historical texts, cutting edge archaeological reports,

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and some incredibly provocative alternative historical theories that really challenge

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the bedrock of what we think we know about human civilization.

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Speaker 1: And to you, the listener, we know exactly why you're here.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You are not here for a dry recitation of historical

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dates or textbook definitions. You're here because you want the

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whole picture.

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Speaker 2: You want to look past the velvet ropes of the

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history museums, right.

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Speaker 1: You want to know how the most sacred, most heavily

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guarded relics in human history might actually be deeply physically

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connected to celestial phenomena and perhaps even advanced technology.

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Speaker 2: Which is exactly our mission for this discussion. We are

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going to take these seemingly disparate threads, spanning thousands of

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years and crossing every single continent and show you the unified,

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slightly terrifying tapestry they create.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. We have to start our journey

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by looking for the ultimate hidden artifact, the Holy Grail.

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Speaker 2: The most famous lost object in the history of human

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storytelling exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean Indiana, Jones, King, Arthur Money, Python, Everyone has

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looked for it. But the moment we actually start digging

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into the historical record where we look and more importantly,

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what we are looking for, completely flips our traditional expectations

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upside down.

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Speaker 2: It really does. Because we aren't starting in the dusty

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streets of Jerusalem now.

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Speaker 1: We are starting in Scotland, specifically Rosslyn Chapel.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Rosslyn Chapel, which sits perched atop a small hill

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overlooking the village of Rosslyn, very quiet place just about

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seven miles south of Edinburgh.

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Speaker 1: I've seen pictures, and especially on a foggy Scottish morning,

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it looks incredibly intricate and honestly slightly unsettling.

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Speaker 2: It has a very imposing medieval presence. It was built

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in the fifteenth century, specifically founded in fourteen forty six, right,

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and the man responsible for its construction was William Saint Clair,

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who is a very wealthy, powerful and deeply enigmatic individual.

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Speaker 1: But the official history of the building, you know, just

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being a simple collegiate church, that's just the outermost layer

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of the onion.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely the thinnest layer. The real intrigue, the gravity

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that pulls researchers there year after year, comes from these persistent, centuries.

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Speaker 1: Old rumors the underground vaults.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. The rumors state that hidden on the grounds, sealed

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in secret subterranean vaults deep beneath the heavy stone floors,

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are some of the world's greatest lost relics.

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Speaker 1: And when we say relics, we aren't talking about like

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old Bibles. We're talking about the ultimate treasure vault, specifically

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the lost treasure of the Knights.

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Speaker 2: Templar, which is a massive historical thread in itself right

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Speaker 1: Who might just know the name from movies or video games,

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the Templars were this highly elite, incredibly wealthy band of

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warrior monks.

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Speaker 2: They were essentially the first international bankers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and during the Christian Crusades. Their primary base of

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operations was located right on top of the Temple Mount

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in Jerusalem.

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Speaker 2: Right where Solomon's Temple used to be exactly.

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Speaker 1: The official story is that they were formed to protect

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pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land, but the unofficial, heavily

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their time conducting massive secret excavations deep beneath the ruins

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of the temple, that.

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various accounts, they didn't just dig, they broke through into secret, ancient,

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unmapped caverns beneath them.

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Speaker 1: Out and what did they find on there?

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Speaker 2: Well, a huge horle of gold, sure, but more importantly,

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religious artifacts of unimaginable power. We were talking about the

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most sacred items that supposedly vanished without a trace when

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Solomon's Temple was originally sacked by the Babylonians, including the

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Holy Grail, including the Grail. So fast forward a few centuries,

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the political winds in Europe shift dramatically. The King of

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France and the Pope conspire against the Templars because they

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owe them entirely too much money.

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Speaker 1: A classic political move.

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Speaker 2: Right, and the Order is brutally purged on Friday the thirteenth,

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thirteen oh seven.

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Speaker 1: Which is where we get the superstition right exactly.

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Speaker 2: But the legend states that a fleet of templarships escaped

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the purge. They took this staggering treasure, fled across the sea,

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and eventually brought it to the Saint Clair family, where

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it was buried beneath Rosslyn Chapel.

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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the architecture of the chapel itself.

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Because William Saint Clair didn't just build a standard place

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of worship to hold a few pews. He built what

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many architectural historians and esoteric researchers call a literal Holy

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Speaker 2: It is designed from the foundation to the vaulted ceilings

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to be a massive repository of secrets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you walk inside, you are instantly assaulted by

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the most fantastic, dense and cryptic stone symbolism perhaps anywhere

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in the world. Every square inch is carved.

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Speaker 2: It's like stepping into a giant, claustrophobic stone puzzle box.

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Speaker 1: It really is. Saint Clair was a brilliant guy, and

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he seemingly collected wisdom traditions from all over the known world.

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You have Norse mythology, Celtic paganism, early Christianity, esoteric.

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Speaker 2: Masonry, and he forced his stone masons to instill every

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single one of those traditions into the walls of Rosslyn.

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Speaker 1: But the most prominent and maybe the most deeply telling

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of these symbols are the dozens of faces carved into

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the walls, known as the green.

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Speaker 2: Men ah the green Men.

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Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen them. These are essentially pagan motifs.

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and leaves literally sprouting out of their mouths, their noses,

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Speaker 2: Which traditionally represent nature, wild growth and the cycle of

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rebirth right.

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Speaker 1: But they aren't just decorative flourishes. There are over one

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hundred and ten of these green Men carved into the

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stone throughout Rosslyn Chapel.

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Speaker 2: And they aren't placed at random.

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Speaker 1: No, they follow a very specific, deliberate progression.

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Speaker 2: That progression is the key to unlocking the chapel's philosophy.

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the green men carved there are decidedly young the faces

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look youthful, fresh, almost boyish. Okay, But as you physically

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moving toward the western wall, they visibly age.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: By the time you reach the west the faces are old,

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deeply weathered, bearded and mature.

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Speaker 1: That is so deliberate.

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Speaker 2: It is this architectural choice symbolizes the passing of time,

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the evolution of human knowledge, and the ultimate hidden secrets

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of the natural world. It forces anyone paying attention to

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wonder if the secret of the grail is deeply connected

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to this concept of natural progression in biology.

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Speaker 1: And if the ultimate secret is hidden there, where exactly

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is it? All eyes usually turn to one specific, incredibly

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ornate piece of architecture inside the chapel, known as the

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Apprentice Pillar. Fascinating piece of masonry, and I have to

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admit I love this part of the story because the

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myth surrounding this pillar is so intense that it has

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bled over into actual documented reality. There is a verified, factual,

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historical account of a man who literally walked into Rosslyn

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Speaker 2: He wasn't just a vandal, no.

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Speaker 1: He was a fanatic. He was absolutely convinced, beyond a

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shadow of a doubt that the Holy Grail was physically

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cemented inside the specific stone pillar, and he was fully

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intent on hacking medieval masonry to pieces to get it out.

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Speaker 2: That anecdote perfectly highlights the sheer desperation and the physical

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obsession people have always had with the Grail.

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Speaker 1: Right, they view it as a literal cup made of

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gold or silver that needs to be extracted from the rock.

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Speaker 2: But researchers looking at the Apprentice Pillar today have started

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to propose a radically different interpretation, one that shifts the

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paradigm entirely away from a drinking vessel.

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Speaker 1: Right, and I want to get into that. Let's look

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at the Apprentice pillar itself. It features these sweeping, spiraling

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vines that wrap aggressively around.

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Speaker 2: The column, very intricate carving.

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Speaker 1: Physically, structurally, it bears a stunning, uncanny resemblance to a

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double helix. It looks exactly like a strand of human DNA.

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Speaker 2: It certainly does have that visual parallel.

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Speaker 1: So the theory goes, what if the Grail isn't a

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cup you drink wine out of. What if it's a

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record of human biology? What if it's a massive ancient

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USB drive containing our genetic code.

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Speaker 2: That is a massive leaf.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I have to push back a

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little on the alternative theories here, because I'm looking at

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this structurally. It's a spiral. Humans carve spirals all the time.

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Speaker 2: We are drawn to spiral geometry.

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Speaker 1: Right, So aren't we making a massive of highly biased

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modern leap to look at a fifteenth century stone vine

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and call it extraterrestrial data storage.

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Speaker 2: That is completely fair and necessary pushback. It is a

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definition of presentism applying our modern technological vocabulary to historical artifacts.

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A medieval mason carving a creeping vine is almost certainly

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just carving a creeping vine. However, I understand the hesitation,

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Saint Clair family would have been exposed to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm listening.

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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how that technological or biological interpretation

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actually aligns with some of the oldest, most obscure, and

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weirdest texts we have regarding the Grail mythos. Really, like what, well,

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if we look at the work of the medieval German

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knight and poet will From von Eschenbach, who wrote the

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epic romance Parzevel around the early thirteenth century. Okay, he

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presents a version of the Grail that is vastly fundamentally

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different from the traditional Christian chalice used at the Last Supper.

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Eschenbach explicitly suggests that the Holy Grail was a stone

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that and I quote arrived from the stars.

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Speaker 1: Wait, really from the stars? He actually wrote that, not

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from a carpenter's workshop in Galilee, but from outer space

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in the thirteenth century.

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Speaker 2: He did. He calls it the Lappis exellis, a term

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scholars still debate. But he describes it as a stone

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of pure power that was left on earth by a

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host of angels. Wow. And he describes it not as

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a simple cup, but as a mysterious heavy object or vessel.

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this object is described as possessing things akin to blinking

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red lights, or emanating a strange, unearthly radiating.

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Speaker 1: Glow blinking red lights. That is wild.

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Speaker 2: Right now, if we strip away the poetic license for

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a moment, if a medieval poet is trying to describe

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a piece of extraterrestrial hardware that has glowing indicator lights

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or gives off radiation.

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Speaker 1: A magical glowing vessel from the stars is exactly the

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vocabulary he would be forced to use.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, they didn't have the words for electronics or aerospace

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engineering or radioactive isotopes. They only had the words magic,

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angels and divinity.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that context actually changes my perspective quite a bit,

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because if you are a medieval guy and you see

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an led light, you're calling it an angel's eye. There's

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no other frame of reference. But if the grail came

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from the stars and it was a piece of literal

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technology or cosmic debris, it wouldn't be the first time

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humanity fell to its knees to worship objects that literally

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dropped out of the sky.

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Speaker 2: Not even close.

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Speaker 1: This isn't an isolated incident. If you are building an

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ancient worldview around a glowing space rock, you have a

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lot of historical company.

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Speaker 2: A tremendous amount of company, and that.

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Speaker 1: Bridges us perfectly. We need to leave the cold, misty

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travels of medieval Scotland and trace this logic back to

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its roots. We need to look at the blistering heat

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of the ancient deserts to truly understand the historical, psychological

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human obsession with meteoric stones.

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Speaker 2: There is no better more visually striking place to start

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that exploration than the Valley of the Kings in Egypt.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Let's wind the clock back to November of nineteen

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twenty two. The British archaeologist Howard Carter makes arguably the

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most famous world stopping discovery in the history of archaeology,

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the virtually intact tomb of the boy king Pharaoh Tutun

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common right, King Tut Inside, Carter finds a staggering, claustrophobic

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treasure trove. He finds golden shrines, dismantled chariots, statues, and

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mountains of artifacts.

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Speaker 1: This ungodly amounts of gold, yes, But.

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Speaker 2: Among all of that unimaginable wealth, there is one specific

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item that stands out for our purposes today, King Tut's

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magnificent ceremonial breastplate.

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Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of this thing and it is stunning.

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It's an incredibly ornate golden pectoral piece shaped like a

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sacred scare beetle, flanked by baboons and lotus flowers.

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Speaker 2: It is a masterclass in ancient jewelry, it really is.

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Speaker 1: And in the very center of this breastplate serving the

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body of the scarab is a stunning, translucent, pale yellow

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green jewel.

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Speaker 2: And for a long time, early archaeologists just assumed it

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was some kind of rare earth gemstone, maybe a strange

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piece of chael said in or quartz.

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Speaker 1: But it's not. Modern spectroscopic analysis proved it is a

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piece of what geologists call Libyan desert glass. And this

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is where the hard science gets completely wild. I need

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you to explain this, because this glass isn't a meteorite itself,

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but it is the direct violent product of a meteorite impact.

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How does sand turn into a gem fit for a faraoh?

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Speaker 2: The physics of its creation are both terrifying and aws firing.

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We are looking at an event that occurred roughly twenty

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nine million years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, millions of years.

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Speaker 2: Yes, an enormous media write or perhaps a comet, came

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screaming into the atmosphere over what is now the Great

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Sand Sea in the Egyptian Desert. Now scientists debate whether

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it actually impacted the ground and created a crater that

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has since eroded, or if it was a massive air

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burst like the Tumbuska event exactly similar to the event

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in nineteen oh eight, but vastly more powerful. Either way,

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the kinetic energy released in that moment was incomprehensibly massive.

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It generated localized heat upwards of three thousand degrees fahrenheit

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an immense atmospheric pressure. This extreme thermal flash literally flash

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fried the desert floor. It instantly melted the silica ridge sand,

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fusing it, and then as it rapidly cooled, it formed

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this beautiful translucent yellow impact glass scattered across hundreds of

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square miles of dunes.

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Speaker 1: That is insane. So millions of years later, ancient Egyptians

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are walking through the desert and they find these glass

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fragments just sitting on the sand. Exactly they had to know.

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They didn't make them. They didn't have furnaces capable of

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that kind of pure, flawless glass making. They certainly did not,

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so they didn't just see them as pretty rocks. They

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clearly understood, perhaps through deep ancestral memory passed down through

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oral traditions, or just by observing the night sky and

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seeing meteor showers that these stones were select.

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Speaker 2: They're born from the impact of a falling star.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And because of that violent cosmic origin, the glass

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was imbued with profound, unmatched cosmic meaning. It was deemed

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the only material worthy of sitting directly over the heart

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of a living god, the Pharaoh.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. It was the ultimate status symbol, but a spiritual one,

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not a monetary one, and it highlights a universal human motif.

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Ancient humanity had no framework for astrophysics, orbital mechanics, or

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kinetic energy transfer. Therefore, any object that descended from the

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sky was inherently authoritative. Worshiping meteorites or the glass they

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forged was a perfectly logical, rational response to their environment.

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Speaker 1: It makes total sense when you put it that way.

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Speaker 2: If you look at classical literature across the globe, you

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see this exact same hardwiring. Take the Greek playwright Eschylus,

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for instance, in his play Prometheus Unbound, he describes an

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angry Zeus physically throwing rocks down at the Earth from

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the heavens to punish or direct.

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Speaker 1: Humanity, throwing rocks the skuy literally meteorites exactly, and.

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Speaker 2: Then the Roman Epic the Aeneid, the poet Virgil describes

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a massive fiery meteor shower as a direct, undeniable divine

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omen signaling that the great city of Troy is about

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to fall. In the ancient world, shooting stars and meteorites

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weren't just pretty astronomical curiosities. There were deliberate targeted messages.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting for me, because this

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isn't just ancient history. People still actively believe in the

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power of these impact stones today right now. Oh, absolutely,

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Look at the modern market for moldivite. This is a

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very specific, rare, beautiful, dark green impact glass that is

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found almost exclusively in one small region of the Czech Republic,

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formed by a meteorite impact about fifteen million years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yes, mouldivite is hugely popular if.

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Speaker 1: You go on social media right now. There is a

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massive metaphysical reputation surrounding it. People who collect it or

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wear it as jewelry claim that it creates a range,

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almost palpable, pulsating energy field. They call it the moldivite flush.

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People say they literally feel hot and dizzy when they

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hold it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the modern lore surrounding moldivite is intense in metaphysical circles.

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It acts as a radical amplifier for human intention and emotion.

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Speaker 1: How does that work?

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Speaker 2: Supposedly, the belief is that its extraterrestrial origin gives it

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a higher vibrational frequency. If you approach it with a loving, compassionate,

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or growth oriented mindset, it amplifies that positive energy and

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accelerates your life. But conversely, if your internal state is chaotic, negative,

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or if you have hidden destructive habits, the moldivite will

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violently bring that chaos to the surface, allegedly upending your

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life to force you to deal with it. It is

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treated not just as an inrud stone, but as an active,

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energetic participant in human consciousness.

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Speaker 1: That is wild. So let's tie this back to where

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we started. If ancient humans worshiped impact glass in Egypt,

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and modern humans believe impact glass in the checker public

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that can rewrite their lives, let's look at the Grail again.

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To it, there is a very specific, incredibly cool, albeit

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obscure legend that says the Holy Grail wasn't a wooden cup,

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but that it was actually carved from a single massive

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green gemstone and not just any gemstone mine from the earth,

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an emerald that physically fell to Earth from the heavens

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during a massive cosmic.

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Speaker 2: War from the crown of Lucifer.

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Speaker 1: Exactly specifically, it was said to be a jewel struck

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from the crown of Lucifer himself when he clashed with

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the archangel Michael and was cast out of heaven. So

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an angel falls, a piece of his glowing crown, plummets

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to Earth, and humans find it and carve it into

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the ultimate relic.

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Speaker 2: And what's fascinating here is how that specific legend perfectly

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bridges the gap between theology and astronomy. It strongly suggests

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that what the ancients were describing was in fact a meteorite.

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Imagine a massive green impact glass or a space borne

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gem plummeting through the atmosphere during an intense meteor shower.

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Speaker 1: It would look like a cosmic battle.

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Speaker 2: To a shepherd or a east observing this, a burning

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streak across the night sky looks exactly like a war

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in heaven with angels casting each other down. It proves

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that what we call magic or divinity in ancient text

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was very likely their precise observational vocabulary for cosmic physics.

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Speaker 1: I love that. It's like viewing the universe as a massive,

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violent forge. The cosmos violently crashes into the Earth, and

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the extreme kinetic physics of that crash instantly manufacture sacred

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materials that inherently hold the power of the gods.

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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate divine three D printer.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. It's not magic. It's just the universe producing extreme

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materials through kinetic impact. But to an ancient person, a

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glowing green rock that fell from the sky is indistinguishable

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from magic.

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Speaker 2: Precisely.

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Speaker 1: Now, if these celestial artifacts, these heavy, potentially radioactive fragments

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of the stars, held such immense perceived power, you don't

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just leave them sitting on a table.

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Speaker 2: No, you certainly do not.

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Speaker 1: If you are an ancient ruler and you possess a starstone,

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you need a vault. You need unparalleled, highly specialized structures

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to contain them. Which brings us to the ultimate containment facility.

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We are leaving the Egyptian deserts and we are heading

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to the highly contested heights of Jerusalem. We need to

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talk about the architecture of the impossible Solomon's Temple.

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Speaker 2: The Temple mount in the Old City of Jerusalem is,

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without hyperbole, perhaps the most fiercely contested, historically dense, and sacred,

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thirty five acre plateau on the face of the earth.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: It is the focal point of three major world religions,

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and the historical reality of what actually stood there is

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constantly being updated by modern archaeology, which is incredibly difficult

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to conduct given the geopolitical tensions.

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Speaker 1: You can't just go dig up the Temple Mount.

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Speaker 2: No, you cannot. However, occasionally we get a massive breakthrough.

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For example, in the summer of twenty thirteen, a prominent

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Israeli archaeologist named doctor Ailot Mezar made a stunning discovery

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just one hundred and sixty four feet from the Temple

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Speaker 1: Okay, what did she find.

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Speaker 2: Her team was excavating an ancient structure, and they unearthed

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a three thousand year old inscribed earthen word.

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Speaker 1: Jug Just to put that into perspective for our listeners,

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finding an inscribed piece of pottery from three thousand years

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ago right at the base of the mount is a

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massive deal.

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Speaker 2: It is monumental.

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Speaker 1: Jerusalem has been conquered, raised, rebuilt, and paved over dozens

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of times. Finding something that old intact enough to read,

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serves as hard tangible evidence. It bolsters the historical timeline

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that King Solomon actually existed as a major regional power

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and built his great temple right there on that exact

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spot in the tenth century BC, roughly around nine fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: BC, precisely. The othal inscription, as it's known, helps ground

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the Biblical narrative in physical stratigraphical archaeology. But we have

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to ask why was this monumental temple built in the first.

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Speaker 1: Place, right What was its purpose?

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Speaker 2: If you read the ancient texts the Hebrew Bible, the Talmud,

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it wasn't just built as a giant synagogue for people

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to gather and prey. It was built with a highly specific,

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functional and frankly dangerous purpose to serve as the permanent

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housing for the Ark of the Covenant.

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Speaker 1: The ultimate holy object.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the entire temple complex was mathematically constructed around a

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central windowless innermost sanctum known as the Holy of Holies.

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This is a room shaped as a perfect cube, completely

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overlaid with.

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Speaker 1: Gold, gold on every surface.

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Speaker 2: Every surface. It was a space so restricted, so revered,

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and so feared, that only one man, the High Priest,

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was allowed to enter it, and even then only on

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one day of the year Jan Kapor, under very strict,

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ritually pure conditions.

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Speaker 1: And the reason for that strict restriction is what fascinates me.

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The texts don't just say the arc was holy. They explicitly,

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repeatedly state that the ark was dangerous.

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Speaker 2: It was lethal.

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Speaker 1: It was lethal. People who touched it improperly, even by accident,

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like Uza who reached out to steady it when it

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was being transported on a cart, were struck dead on

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the spot.

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Speaker 2: Just dropped it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, It's described as emitting sparks, causing tumors and

473
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leveling mountains. So you have this gold plated wooden box

474
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sitting in a perfectly isolated gold lined room, indiscriminately killing

475
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people who mishandle it. I have to ask was this

476
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just a fancy chest holding stone tablets with the Ten Commandments?

477
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Or are we looking at an ancient nuclear battery.

478
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Speaker 2: That is a very provocative question.

479
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Speaker 1: Was the Holy of Holies a temple room or are

480
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we looking at an ancient blueprint for a radiation shielding chamber.

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Speaker 2: That is the core of the technological interpretation of the arc.

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And if we entertained that hypothesis that the ark was

483
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a piece of high level, potentially extraterrestrial or lost ancient

484
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technology functioning as a power source or a weapon. It

485
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forces us to look at how King Solomon managed to

486
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build a facility capable of housing.

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Speaker 1: It, right, because the engineering required was staggering.

488
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Speaker 2: It was, and according to the Hebrew Tamud as well

489
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as deeply entrenched Islamic records in the Qur'an, Solomon did

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not build this temple using standard human labor alone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go the text.

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Speaker 2: It's claimed that King Solomon possessed an artifact of the

493
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immense localized power known as Solomon's Ring or the Seal

494
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of Solomon, which we now commonly recognize visually as the

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Star of David or the Hexagre. Right, the text claimed

496
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that this ring was not forged by human blacksmiths. It

497
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was brought down from heaven and given to him directly

498
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by angels. Furthermore, it had the secret, cryptic, unspeakable name

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of God engraved upon it.

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Speaker 1: And this ring wasn't just a shiny symbol of office.

501
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It wasn't just a crown jewel. The texts say it

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was a functional tool. It granted Solomon the literal physical

503
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power to command and control other worldly beings. Yes, we're

504
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talking about demons, gin or genies. There's a specific, highly

505
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detailed story about an entity named Ashmadi or Asmodeus in Greek,

506
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who is said to be the king of the demons.

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Solomon allegedly used this ring to compel as Medeus and

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his legions of supernatural entities to physically cut the mass

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of stones and construct the temple because human hands weren't

510
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strong enough or skilled enough to do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's strip away the mythological religious vocabulary for a second.

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If we connect this to the bigger picture, you have

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an ancient ruler who suddenly, inexplicably acquires the means to

514
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build a structure of unprecedented architectural and mathematical complexity. This

515
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isn't just a fringe theory. Even Sir Isaac Newton, one

516
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of the greatest scientific minds and physicists in human history,

517
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was entirely obsessed with Solomon's temple.

518
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Speaker 1: Isaac Newton was obsessed with it.

519
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Speaker 2: He was. Newton wrote extensively about it, studying its design.

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Because the temple utilized highly advanced sacred geometry, incredibly precise

521
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astronomical alignments and light catching architectural techniques that seemed vastly

522
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ahead of their time. Newton believed the temple was a

523
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microcosm of the universe and held the mathematical laws of nature.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's bring this into the modern day. Imagine trying

525
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to build a highly advanced skyscraper right now, a nuclear

526
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power plant, for example.

527
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Speaker 2: You need a lot of resources, right.

528
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Speaker 1: You need massive cranes, reinforced steeloul of specialized union workers,

529
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global supply chains, and CAD software. But Solomon's blueprint allegedly

530
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required him to call in extraterrestrial tech support via a

531
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magic ring.

532
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: A literal call to the heavens.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he uses a ring given by angels to control

534
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demons to do the heavy lifting that normal human bronze

535
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age engineering couldn't handle. But wait, I have to play

536
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,480
Devil's advocate here, Please do If I am an ancient

537
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,200
scribe and I see my king utilizing a massive, highly

538
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efficient slave labor force, maybe capturing a neighboring army and

539
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forcing them to cut stone, wouldn't I just write down

540
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that he commanded demons to make him look more godlike?

541
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Aren't we just reading ancient propaganda that is.

542
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Speaker 2: The most standard, widely accepted historical view. Yes, ancient kings

543
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,200
constantly exaggerated their exploits and claimed divine assistants to legitimize

544
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their rule exactly. However, the alternative theory asks us to

545
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,599
look at the consistency of the anomalies because it isn't

546
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just the labor force. We also have to factor in

547
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the specific Islamic text that described Solomon possessing a magic

548
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carpet of green silk.

549
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Speaker 1: Oh right, the magic carpet.

550
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Speaker 2: This carpet was allegedly large enough for his entire royal throne,

551
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his advisors, and his military forces to stand on, and

552
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he used it for rapid transport through the air, traveling

553
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,319
months worth of distance in a single day. Now, what

554
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,559
are we actually reading here? We know scientifically that magic

555
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:25,119
flying carpets made of silk do not exist. We know

556
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that literal redskin demons with pitchforks did not build a

557
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stone temple.

558
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Speaker 1: Right, So what's the translation? What were they actually seeing?

559
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Speaker 2: Well, if we assume our ancestors were accurately reporting what

560
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they saw, just severely lacking the modern vocabulary to describe it,

561
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the narrative shifts entirely the demons in Gin with superhuman

562
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strength who could cut massive stones perfectly without iron tools,

563
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could very well be misinterpretations of heavy automated machinery or

564
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extraterrestrial laborers.

565
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Speaker 1: That makes sense.

566
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Speaker 2: The magic carpet of green silk covering the air sounds

567
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exactly like an earnest attempt to describe a hovering spacecraft

568
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,759
or an anti gravity transport platform. And the ring, the

569
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,920
ring sounds like a remote control, a biometric access key,

570
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or a communication device that linked Solomon to this higher technology.

571
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? It completely changes the map.

572
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It frames the Temple Mound not just as a religious

573
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holy site, but as an ancient landing pad or a

574
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highly technical construction zone overseen by non human intelligence.

575
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it explains why multiple massive world traditions Judaism, Islam,

576
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Christianity all violently converge on this one specific thirty five

577
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acre plateau.

578
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Speaker 1: It's the epicenter.

579
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Speaker 2: It is universally viewed in these traditions as the foundational

580
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spot where God touched down on planet Earth. If an

581
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advanced extraterrestrial craft actually landed there in antiquity and its

582
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occupants provided the technology to build a massive containment facility

583
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for a dangerous radiating power source like the arc.

584
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Speaker 1: That singular event would instantly become the focal point of

585
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human religious devotion for the next three millennia. The trauma

586
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and awe of that event would echo forever.

587
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Speaker 2: It would rewrite human history overnight.

588
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Speaker 1: Okay, but here's the logical next step. If you are

589
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building massive containment vaults and you are dealing with advanced technology,

590
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,839
you need raw materials, You need specific resources that can

591
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,240
handle that kind of energy you do. And this brings

592
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us to a really uncomfortable question about human history. What

593
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if the ultimate earthly treasure, the one thing humans have

594
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,480
killed each other over, enslaved each other over, and conquered

595
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continents for thousands of years, gold wasn't originally valued just

596
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,519
because it looked pretty and caught the light. Fascinating premise,

597
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what if it was valued for its interstellar scientific utility.

598
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To understand this, we need to leave the deserts of

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the Middle East and hack our way into the high

600
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altitude jungles of Columbia.

601
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Speaker 2: We are shifting our geographical focus to Lake Guadavida, located

602
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high in the Andes Mountains of Columbia. Right. This is

603
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:58,559
a perfectly circular, incredibly deep, almost crater like mountainlike in

604
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:02,039
pre Columbian times. It was located squarely within the territory

605
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:06,200
of the Muisca or Chipcha people, and this specific location,

606
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:10,799
this specific lake, is the true factual, historical origin point

607
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for the legend of El Dorado.

608
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Speaker 1: El Dorado the Lost City of gold. I mean, explorers

609
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,000
have spent centuries hacking through mosquito infested jungles, going mad

610
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,640
and dying of malaria to find it. But the twist

611
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,480
is El Dorado wasn't originally a city at all, right,

612
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It wasn't a place made of golden brick.

613
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Speaker 2: Correct. Eldorado translates directly from Spanish as the Golden One.

614
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The Spanish conquistadors gave this name not to a hidden city,

615
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but to a specific person, the ruler of the Muisca people,

616
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a king or chief known as the Zepa. Right, the

617
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,759
legend stemmed from a very real, incredibly lavish, and highly

618
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:50,359
specific sacred ritual that the Weisca performed to appease their gods.

619
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During this ritual, the Zepa would be stripped down and

620
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,519
completely covered from head to toe in a sticky, fragrant

621
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resin wow. Then his attendance would blow fine, pure gold

622
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,759
dust all over his body until he was completely coated.

623
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,319
He was literally a living, breathing statue of solid gold.

624
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,599
Speaker 1: That visual is incredible. A man made of gold standing

625
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:11,400
in the high mounds. What was the purpose of all this?

626
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Speaker 2: He would step onto a royal ceremonial raft made of rushes,

627
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accompanied by his high priests, and be floated out to

628
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,839
the exact dead center of Lake Guadavida. Once there, the

629
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crowd on the shores would chant and play.

630
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Speaker 1: Instruments, a massive spectacle.

631
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Speaker 2: Exactly the Zeppa would then dive into the freezing deep

632
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,440
waters of the lake to wash the gold dust off

633
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,359
his body. This was considered a direct physical offering to

634
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,759
a powerful god or entity that they believed lived at

635
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:40,680
the very bottom of the.

636
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Speaker 1: Lake, and they didn't just offer dust. No.

637
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: Following his dive, his followers on the rafts and on

638
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:52,240
the shores would throw massive amounts of intricately crafted golden objects, jewelry, statues,

639
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:56,279
ceremonial armor directly into the deep water as sacrifices.

640
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: And for a long time historians and rival explorers thought

641
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,000
this was just myth, a tall tale. The locals told

642
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,559
to make the Spanish drool and wander off into the jungle.

643
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,400
But it wasn't a myth, not at all. In nineteen twelve,

644
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a British engineer named Hartley Knowles actually formed a company,

645
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,319
led an excavation and used steam pumps to attempt to

646
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,160
drain part of Lake Guadavida. He basically tried to pull

647
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,200
the plug on the lake.

648
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Speaker 2: An incredibly ambitious engineering feat for the time, and.

649
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: He found the proof. He recovered around twenty thousand dollars

650
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,839
worth of pure gold, and you have to remember that's

651
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,039
in nineteen twelve currency, so it's worth vastly more today.

652
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,640
He pulled up actual golden artifacts, breastplates and jewelry. It

653
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,799
proved definitively that this massive hoarding and dumping ritual was

654
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:39,839
physically happening.

655
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Speaker 2: It absolutely happened.

656
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Speaker 1: But it begs the question who or what was at

657
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,200
the bottom of that lake that demanded tons and tons

658
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,559
of gold? Why? Gold?

659
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: This is where the highly controversial work of researchers like

660
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,559
Zakaria Sitchen comes into play. Sichin was a researcher who

661
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,680
analyzed and translated ancient Sumerian kiniform texts. He proposed a

662
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:02,759
fascinating paradigm shifting theory.

663
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it.

664
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Speaker 2: He suggested that extraterrestrials, which the ancient Sumerians called the Nunaki,

665
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originally came to Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago.

666
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But they didn't come here to conquer us, or to

667
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,280
study us, or to enlighten us. They came here to

668
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,079
conduct a massive global mining operation.

669
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Speaker 1: They were miners, yes.

670
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Speaker 2: And their primary target gold. According to Sitchin's interpretation of

671
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the texts, the Aninaki needed this gold to save their

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00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,000
own dying planet. They needed to pulverize it into a

673
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microscopic fine dust and suspend it in the atmosphere of

674
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their home planet to preserve their failing climate and reflect

675
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away harmful cosmic radiation.

676
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Speaker 1: Now, hold on, We always think of gold as currency.

677
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,519
We think of it as jewelry, as a Rolex watch,

678
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:49,920
as a status symbol to show how rich and powerful

679
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,400
you are. But if you strip away the human ego

680
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,559
and look at the hard physical chemistry of gold, Sitchen's

681
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,599
theory suddenly doesn't sound incrazy.

682
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Speaker 2: It lines surprisingly well with modern science.

683
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: Scientifically, gold is literally the ultimate space age duct tape.

684
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,880
It is an incredibly unique, bizarre element. First of all,

685
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it's completely inert, meaning it doesn't tarnish, it doesn't rust,

686
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,119
it doesn't react with water or oxygen. You can leave

687
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:13,800
it at the bottom of a lake for a thousand

688
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,880
years and it comes up shining.

689
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Speaker 2: Which is why we use it in electronics today.

690
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,559
Speaker 1: Exactly. It is an absolute powerhouse conductor of electricity. But

691
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,280
most importantly for space travel, gold is a perfect, flawless

692
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,480
reflector of infrared energy and heat.

693
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: That last point about infrared reflection is crucial to understand.

694
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,719
In our own modern space exploration, NASA relies on gold.

695
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:37,800
It is indispensable.

696
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Speaker 1: They use it everywhere.

697
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: We use highly engineered thin gold blankets to wrap our

698
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,039
satellites in spacecraft to protect their delicate electronics from the

699
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:51,079
intense blistering heat of the Sun and other stars. If

700
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,280
you look at the visors of astronauts spacesuits, the helmets

701
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,280
they wear during spacewalks, they have a microscopic layer of

702
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,159
real gold applied to them to protect their eyes, to

703
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,760
protect the astronaut's eyes from blinding solar radiation while still

704
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,159
allowing them to see. If you look at the James

705
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:09,480
Web Space telescope, the most advanced piece of optical equipment

706
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:13,679
ever built by humans. Its mathive hexagonal mirrors are coated

707
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,639
in microscopic layers of gold to perfectly reflect and capture

708
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infrared light from the distant early universe.

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Speaker 1: Gold isn't just shiny, It is highly advanced functional technological armor.

710
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: It absolutely is.

711
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: Exactly if you're listening to this wall driving, think about

712
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,920
the catalytic converter in your car. It uses rare earth

713
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,199
metals like palladium or platinum for very specific chemical reactions

714
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,400
to filter exhaust. Now imagine someone two thousand years from

715
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,239
now digging up your car, finding that shiny metal and

716
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,039
wearing the catalytic converter around their neck as a religious amulet.

717
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: That is a perfect analogy.

718
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: That's essentially what we might be doing with gold. Are

719
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,639
human empires just unwittingly hoarding ancient alien building supplies. We

720
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,679
dug it out of the ground, thought it looked pretty,

721
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,480
and spent centuries slaughtering each other over it. But originally,

722
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:06,840
maybe early humans saw gods coming down from the sky

723
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:10,159
desperate for this specific yellow metal to fix their ships,

724
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,519
conduct electricity, or save their planet's atmosphere.

725
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,039
Speaker 2: That phenomenon you're describing is exactly what anthropologists call a

726
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,719
cargo cult dynamic. And to understand how powerful that is,

727
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,119
we have to look at a verified modern historical example. Okay,

728
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:27,280
like what During World War two the American and Japanese

729
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,639
military set up temporary air bases on remote islands in

730
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,639
the Pacific, like Melanesia. The indigenous islanders, who had never

731
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:38,159
seen modern technology, suddenly saw massive metal birds drop from

732
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:45,920
the sky. The soldiers emerged, sharing miraculous things can spam, chocolate, radios, medicine.

733
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,400
But when the war ended, the militaries packed up and left.

734
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,280
The supply drop stopped.

735
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: So what did the islanders do?

736
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,639
Speaker 2: The Islanders, wanting the gods to return with their miracles,

737
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,480
began building life sized mock airplanes out of bamboo and straw.

738
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,960
They carved wooden headphones and sat and mock control towers,

739
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,000
mimicking the air traffic controllers they had observed. They marched

740
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,840
in formation with wooden rifles. Wow, they perfectly replicated the

741
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,199
form of the technology without understanding the function.

742
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,119
Speaker 1: That is exactly it. So apply that to gold right.

743
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: Imagine a less advanced ancient civilization witnessing beings of immense power,

744
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:25,760
beings arriving in fiery ships utilizing a shiny yellow metal

745
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,239
for their very survival or their technology. The humans wouldn't

746
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,159
understand the thermodynamics, the electrical conductivity, or the infrared reflectivity

747
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:35,639
of the metal.

748
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: They would just see the gods valuing it.

749
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: They would simply observe that the powerful gods value this

750
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:44,840
specific substance above all else. Naturally, the humans would elevate

751
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,440
that metal to a sacred status. They would begin hoarding it,

752
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:50,800
offering it back to the gods to appease them, like

753
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,360
throwning into Lake Quadavita, and eventually wearing it themselves to

754
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,559
mimic divine power.

755
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,119
Speaker 1: That is just brilliant.

756
00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: It created a psychological feedback loop that drove sen trees

757
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,360
of bloody human conquest for a resource that we as

758
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,639
a species are only just now starting to use for

759
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,360
its true interstellar purpose in our own space programs.

760
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: That completely recontextualizes human greed. It makes you look at

761
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,639
a gold necklace in a totally different light. But if

762
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,599
we want to talk about humanity fundamentally orienting itself around

763
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:20,559
celestial objects, we have to look at arguably the most

764
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:21,800
venerated stone on Earth.

765
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,679
Speaker 2: Today we do.

766
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: We've seen gold utilized for tech and green glass worshiped

767
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,559
by pharaohs. But there is a physical stone sitting at

768
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,320
the center of the Islamic world that continues this thread

769
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,880
of celestial objects dictating human devotion on a massive global scale.

770
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 2: Indeed, we are traveling to Mecca, located in the Hedgeads

771
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,079
region of Saudi Arabia. Historically, this is the birthplace of

772
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,400
the prophet Mohammad, who was born there around the year

773
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,360
five seventy eight. Okay, but long before the advent of Islam,

774
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:56,079
Mecca was already a highly prosperous, bustling commercial port. It

775
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:59,559
was a major vital hub for ancient caravan trade routes

776
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:03,480
connecting India, Asia Damascus in Egypt. It was a melting

777
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,440
pot of cultures and religions.

778
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: A huge center of trade, yes, but.

779
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,639
Speaker 2: Its supreme significance today is entirely spiritual. And the center

780
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,360
of meccaized the maje Ad Alharam, the Great Mosque, and

781
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,559
at the very heart of that massive, sprawling complex stands

782
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:17,280
the Kava.

783
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: The Kaba is an incredibly striking structure to look at.

784
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,079
Even in photographs, it commands attention. It is a massive

785
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,519
cube shaped granite building standing about forty three feet high

786
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:28,119
and thirty six feet wide.

787
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,199
Speaker 2: And draped in that beautiful cloth, yes.

788
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: The Kiswa, which is a heavy black silk cloth that

789
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,800
is intricately embroidered with verses from the Kuran in pure

790
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,880
gold thread. According to Islamic tradition, the Kaba wasn't just

791
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,440
built recently. It was constructed originally by the first man, Adam,

792
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,719
and then rebuilt roughly in the year two thousand BC

793
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:51,400
by the patriarch Abraham and his son Ishmael. As the

794
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,960
first house of worship dedicated to a single.

795
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,559
Speaker 2: God, and its gravitational pull on human behavior is staggering.

796
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,920
It is the Kiblah, the direction that nearly two billion

797
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,480
Muslims around the world face when they perform their daily prayers. Wow. Furthermore,

798
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,480
every single year, millions of Muslims traveled to Mecca to

799
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:13,000
perform the Hodge pilgrimage. The central most iconic ritual of

800
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,719
the Hodje is the Tawaff. This requires these millions of

801
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,559
pilgrims to enter the massive courtyard and physically circumnavigate the Kaba,

802
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,960
walking around it seven times in a massive, swirling, counterclockwise direction.

803
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: But the Kaba itself, the cube building, isn't the only

804
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,519
focal point. Embedded in the eastern corner of the Kaba,

805
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,960
roughly five feet off the ground and encased in a

806
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,239
massive silver frame, is an object known as the Blackstone,

807
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,719
and the legends and history surrounding the specific stone are intense.

808
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,719
Islamic tradition states that this stone was brought directly down

809
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,440
from the sky, given to Abraham by the archangel Gabriel.

810
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,039
Speaker 2: Or Michael, a stone from heaven right.

811
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: Some esoteric legends even suggest that it originally contains sealed

812
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,320
information or a covenant from God, and that it was

813
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,519
originally pure, blinding white, but turned black by absorbing the

814
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:05,679
sins of humanity over millennia. Furthermore, many pilgrims and historical

815
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:09,679
accounts claim that the stone radiates a palpable spiritual, emotional,

816
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:10,960
or healing energy.

817
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:15,679
Speaker 2: From a secular scientific standpoint, the broad consensus among geologists

818
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,800
and historians is that the Blackstone is in fact an

819
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,199
ancient mediorite another star stone. Exactly, it is a piece

820
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,760
of cosmic debris that survived the fiery entry through Earth's atmosphere.

821
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,360
There are debates. Some suggest it might be an agate

822
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,239
or a piece of pseudomediorite, but its celestial origin is

823
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,559
widely accepted outside of theology.

824
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: But it can't just test it right.

825
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:40,199
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Because of its immense, unshakable spiritual significance.

826
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:44,679
Any kind of modern forensic or geological examination, like taking

827
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,360
a core sample, chipping off a piece for carbon dating,

828
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,280
or doing chemical analysis, is strictly, absolutely.

829
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,639
Speaker 1: Forbidden, as it should be out of respect.

830
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: The mystery is fiercely protected by devotion. During the Hajj,

831
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,800
pilgrims will attempt to kiss the stone if they can

832
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,719
navigate the massive crowds to get close enough, or simply

833
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960
point to it in a gesture of profound respect and

834
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:07,320
veneration as they orbit.

835
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,119
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? When I look at

836
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,079
aerial footage of the Hajj, with millions of people dressed

837
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,920
in identical white garments swirling around this black cube and

838
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,280
a massive, unbroken counterclockwise rotation, I don't just see a

839
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,119
religious ceremony.

840
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:20,639
Speaker 2: What do you see?

841
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: I can't help but visualize the Kaba as a massive

842
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,880
ancient energetic battery or a generator. You have a celestial core,

843
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,079
the black Stone, a meteorite with potentially unique electromagnetic properties

844
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,000
sitting in the dead center, and you have millions of

845
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:40,280
human beings, each with their own bioelectric fields, their own

846
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,400
body heat, and their intense, heavily focused intentions acting as

847
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,599
the circulating electrical current moving around it.

848
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: That is a fascinating visual.

849
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,079
Speaker 1: It literally looks like a schematic for a massive electric motor.

850
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:53,920
You have the stater in the middle and the rotor

851
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,800
spinning around it.

852
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: That is a highly evocative way to look at it.

853
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,000
And this raises an important question that ties perfectly back

854
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,559
to what we discussed with the Libyan desert glass and

855
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:07,079
the moldavite. Exactly, regardless of an individual specific religious beliefs,

856
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:11,320
whether they are Muslim, Christian, pagan, or entirely secular, there's

857
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,039
a profound, deeply unifying human instinct at play here. Humanity

858
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,639
has an irrepressible, almost biological drive to take fragments of

859
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:24,559
the stars, meteors, impact glass, celestial debris, and build our

860
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,280
most unshakable, permanent institutions around them.

861
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: We base our lives around them.

862
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:33,039
Speaker 2: We literally orient the direction of our daily prayers, our architecture,

863
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:37,039
and our physical bodies toward these fallen stones. It proves,

864
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:41,880
beyond any doubt the sheer, psychological, spiritual, and perhaps energetic

865
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,840
power that the cosmos coming to Earth holds over the

866
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,480
human psyche. We are drawn to the stars even when

867
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,639
they are buried in the ground.

868
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,159
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, really, this deep, unyielding spiritual reverence for the cosmos.

869
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:58,239
It shows a connection. But as we know, history shows

870
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,519
us that human reverence is most spiritual and beautiful right

871
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:02,360
up until it isn't.

872
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:04,119
Speaker 2: That is unfortunately true.

873
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,159
Speaker 1: Because what happens when a modern, highly industrialized, incredibly ruthless

874
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:11,480
military regime looks at these ancient myths, looks at these

875
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,119
starstones and arcs and decides, Hey, these aren't just metaphors

876
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,280
for spiritual growth, these are actual physical blueprints for advanced weaponry.

877
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: It becomes very dark.

878
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: That transition from spirituality to militarization is terrifying.

879
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 2: It is undoubtedly the darkest, most sobering chapter in this exploration.

880
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,119
To understand how ancient myths were weaponized, we have to

881
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:35,599
shift our timeline forward to nineteen thirties and forties Germany

882
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,079
during the rise and rain of the Nazi party apparatus,

883
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,480
and the central, highly controversial figure in this specific intersection

884
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:47,320
of myth, state, power, and heart science is the engineer

885
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,400
Werner von Braun.

886
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: Von Braun is a hugely complicated historical figure. He was

887
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:56,599
undeniably a brilliant aerospace engineer, a visionary when it came

888
00:45:56,679 --> 00:46:00,079
to rocketry. For years after the war, he claimed he

889
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,840
avoided joining the Nazi Party, that he was just a scientist.

890
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,679
Speaker 2: That was his defense.

891
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,519
Speaker 1: Yes, but the historical record shows that on November twelfth,

892
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:10,239
nineteen thirty seven, he was officially commanded to join. His

893
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,559
defense was always that he did so under the thread

894
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,840
of death, or at least the threat of losing his

895
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,239
life's work, and that he merely saw the regime's massive,

896
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,199
unchecked funding as a necessary evil to develop his rockets

897
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,079
and reach space.

898
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: Whatever his internal motivations, he certainly delivered results for them

899
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:27,519
he did.

900
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,519
Speaker 1: By nineteen forty four, he and his team had developed

901
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:33,679
the A four rocket, which the regime later rebranded as

902
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,039
the V two or the Virgaltumbswaft to the Vengeance weapon,

903
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,000
and the leap.

904
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: In technology that the V two represents cannot be overstated.

905
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,039
It is a massive anomaly in the history of engineering.

906
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:50,000
Before this, rockets were relatively primitive. They largely relied on

907
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,280
solid fuel, which is essentially gunbowder right like fireworks, the

908
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,199
solid fuel is like a firework. Once you light it,

909
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:57,960
you can't stop it, you can't throttle it, and it's

910
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:01,639
highly unpredictable. Yeah, the V two was a forty five

911
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,519
foot twenty seven thousand pounds monster. It shattered every previous record.

912
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:07,599
Speaker 1: It was a game changer.

913
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: Von Braun's team mastered liquid fuel propulsion, specifically a highly

914
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,519
volatle mixture of ethanol and liquid oxygen. This required inventing complex,

915
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:19,440
high speed turbopumps that could force the fuel into the

916
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,639
combustion chamber without melting. The V two climbed to a

917
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,079
staggering altitude of one hundred and eight point five miles.

918
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,039
Speaker 1: Wow into space.

919
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,519
Speaker 2: It officially became the very first man made object to

920
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,920
pierce the boundary of space. He combined theoretical physics with

921
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,519
practical industrial application at a speed that left the rest

922
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,000
of the world completely stunned.

923
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: But here's where I have to ask a big question.

924
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,719
How how do you make that kind of unprecedented generational

925
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,119
technological leap in just a few short years, all while

926
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,039
your country is actively fighting a multi front world war,

927
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,559
getting bombed daily, and facing massive resource shortages.

928
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: It's a valid question.

929
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:02,599
Speaker 1: Was it just throwing endless money and tragically horrific slave

930
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,880
labor at a genius engineer or was there something else

931
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,559
feeding that research? Because this is where the Nazi regimes bizarre,

932
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,400
deeply documented occult obsession comes into play.

933
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: To understand that leap, we have to look at an

934
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,840
organization founded in nineteen thirty five by Heinrich Himler, the

935
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,639
head of the SS. He established an elite, highly secretive

936
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:25,800
institute within the Nazi apparatus called the Unerby. Publicly, their

937
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,079
stated mandate was relatively benign to research the cultural and

938
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:35,360
archaeological history of the Aryan race, but their true operational purpose,

939
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,599
driven by Himler's own fanatical beliefs, was entirely bizarre.

940
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: What were they actually doing.

941
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: The Anarby was founded on the belief that the Aryan

942
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:49,960
race was directly descended from ancient godlike beings, perhaps even extraterrestrials,

943
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,360
who had once ruled the Earth and possessed highly advanced

944
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:54,880
magical technology.

945
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: And they didn't just sit in libraries in Berlin writing

946
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,159
theoretical papers about this. They were fully funded, militarized, real

947
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,599
life Indiana Jones villains. The Annabee launched massive, highly equipped

948
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,280
global expeditions that went all over the world. They went

949
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,800
to Tibet, measuring skulls and looking for the roots of

950
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,679
the Aryan race. They went to South America. There are

951
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,239
rumors of expeditions to Antarctica. And what were they looking for.

952
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,320
They were hunting down the exact occult artifacts we've been

953
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,679
talking about today. Yes, they were actively searching for the

954
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,960
ark of the Covenant and they were desperately hunting for

955
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:27,639
the Holy Grail.

956
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,559
Speaker 2: They believed these items were not just religious symbols. They

957
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:34,199
believed the Grail and the arc were actual physical, ancient

958
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:38,320
technologies left behind by those alien gods. And the theory

959
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,480
that connects this archaeological pillaging to our rocket program is chilling.

960
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: This is the crazy part.

961
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,159
Speaker 2: Von Braun became the technical director at Pinamanda, the massive

962
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,599
secret experimental research facility on the Baltic coast, working directly

963
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:56,000
under the supervision of the SS and Himmler. The theory

964
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:01,239
posits that the unprecedented, almost inexplicable advancement and turbopump engineering,

965
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,519
aerodynamics and gyroscopic guidance systems wasn't purely the result of

966
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,320
human trial and error. Right. Some researchers suggest that the

967
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,880
NRBAY during their global expeditions actually succeeded in finding ancient

968
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:17,199
texts vimanis chematics in India, relics or fragments of ancient

969
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,679
extraterrestrial technology. They then funneled that reverse engineer data directly

970
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,280
to von Braun's team at Pineman.

971
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, it's like skipping from the wooden abacist

972
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,360
straight to a quantum computer in a single weekend. The

973
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,119
technological leap is just too abrupt to be normal R

974
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:31,360
and D.

975
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Speaker 2: It's remarkably fast.

976
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Now, obviously we are looking at this strictly as a

977
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,280
historical timeline and exploring the alternative theory surrounding it. We

978
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,679
are simply reporting the facts of their occult obsession, not

979
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,880
endorsing any of their horrific politics.

980
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:46,519
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

981
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,639
Speaker 1: But you have to highlight the absolute chilling reality of

982
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:56,119
what was happening here. A fascist military state literally weaponized

983
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:59,119
the human search for the divine. They took the quest

984
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,679
for the Holy grow, the ultimate symbol of spiritual purity

985
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,719
in life, and they turned it into a ballistic missile

986
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,320
program designed to drop high explosives on London.

987
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:11,199
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate historical warning about the danger of

988
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,119
esoteric obsessions merging with unchecked state power. The inner circle

989
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,800
of the Nazi Party, particularly Himmler, didn't view rocketry merely

990
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,920
as secular physics or standard engineering.

991
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: How did they view it?

992
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 2: They viewed it as an arcane secret, a form of

993
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,920
technological black magic that would grant them the power to

994
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,440
dominate the world, much in the exact same way King

995
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:35,039
Solomon supposedly dominated the demons with his ring. It forces

996
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:40,760
us to synthesize a very strange, uncomfortable historical reality, the

997
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,639
eternal mythological search for ancient power. The hunt for the

998
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,119
arc and the Grail, was the exact catalyst that directly

999
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:51,719
funded and fueled the dawn of the modern human space age.

1000
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,800
We eventually went to the stars. We landed on the moon,

1001
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,920
largely because a tyrannical regime was trying to find ancient

1002
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,360
magic in the dirt that.

1003
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: Is heavy, really heavy. We followed stones falling from the sky.

1004
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:06,400
We followed massive rockets shooting up into the sky to

1005
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,119
reach the stars. But for this final thread, we need

1006
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:11,039
to pull it all together by going in the exact

1007
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:11,840
opposite direction.

1008
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: We need to go down.

1009
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: Exactly deep into the earth itself. Because when you look

1010
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,800
at the historical record across all cultures, why is it

1011
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,559
that the most profound world altering encounters with these celestial

1012
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:26,599
or divine forces almost always seem to happen underground.

1013
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,559
Speaker 2: It is a phenomenal, undeniable pattern. Let's look at the

1014
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,719
concept of sacred caids across history, starting with the Church

1015
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,480
of the Nativity in Bethlehem. This church was built around

1016
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:39,719
three thirty eighty by the Roman Emperor Constantine. It is

1017
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,480
widely believed by Christians to sit directly above the true

1018
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,719
birthplace of Jesus Christ. But if you look at texts

1019
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,360
outside the standard canonized Bible, like the apocryphal Potaway Evangelium

1020
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,159
of James, the Nativity story is told slightly but crucially differently.

1021
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,000
Oh so, it states that Mary did not give birth

1022
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,199
in a wooden stable behind an inn, but rather inside

1023
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:05,760
a cave. And when Joseph approached this cave with a midwife,

1024
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,599
he was met not with a normal baby crying, but

1025
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:12,719
with a brilliant, blinding light luminous cloud that eventually dissipated

1026
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:13,679
to reveal the child.

1027
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: A brilliant dissipating light inside a cave. And that's just

1028
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,159
the beginning of the story. Let's look at the end

1029
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:20,360
of the story. The tomb of resurrection. Again, we are

1030
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,400
dealing with a cave, a hollowed out room carved directly

1031
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,039
into the bedrock, with a massive circular stone rolled over

1032
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,440
the entrance to seal it. Yes, and the evidence that

1033
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:32,360
something inexplicable, something highly energetic, happened in that cave brings

1034
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,800
us to the Shroud of Turin.

1035
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: The Shroud of Turin is perhaps the most heavily analyzed,

1036
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:41,280
debated religious artifact in the world. It is a length

1037
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,679
of linen cloth bearing the negative image of a crucified man.

1038
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:48,400
While carbon dating in the eighties suggested it was medieval,

1039
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,719
more recent highly advanced analyzes strongly suggest it could indeed

1040
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,199
be a first century garment. But the real mystery, the

1041
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,199
thing scientists still cannot replicate, is how the image was

1042
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,960
formed on the linen. It was not painted, it wasn't dyed,

1043
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,599
there are no breaststrokes. The leading theory among physicists and

1044
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,719
research as you study it is that the image was

1045
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,679
burned into the microscopic fibers of the cloth by an

1046
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,400
incredibly intense millisecond burst of energy or ultraviolet radiation.

1047
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: A massive burst of non human radiation inside a sealed

1048
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:21,559
rock cave. And when people arrived at the cave. The

1049
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:23,719
next day, the body was gone, but the text say

1050
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,800
they were met by two shining non human beings, shining

1051
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,920
beings and radiation bursts. But it's not just a Christian phenomenon.

1052
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,119
This pattern is everywhere you look in history.

1053
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,519
Speaker 2: It is a truly global phenomenon. Look at the prophet Muhammed.

1054
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Where was he when he received the first world changing

1055
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:40,519
revelation of the Qur'an.

1056
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: He was in a cave, right.

1057
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,519
Speaker 2: He wasn't in a bustling city square in Mecca. He

1058
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:48,159
was isolating himself, meditating deep inside a cave at Maulhira

1059
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,960
when he experienced an overwhelming presence and heard the archangel

1060
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,159
Gabriel command him to recite Wow. If we go to

1061
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,679
Hebrew tradition, the great prophet Elijah, who operated in the

1062
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,159
ninth century BCE, lived and experience the raw whispering voice

1063
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:05,960
of the divine while hiding a cave on Mount Horeb.

1064
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,880
Even in classical Greek mythology, the king of the gods

1065
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,800
Zeus himself was said to have been born and hidden

1066
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,119
from his father Cronus inside the dictained cave on the

1067
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:17,039
island of Crete.

1068
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: That is just wild.

1069
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,039
Speaker 2: Across the Mediterranean, the Middle East, and beyond. Caves are

1070
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,920
universally worshiped not just as holes in the ground for shelter,

1071
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,480
but as active gateways, portals, or cosmic air locks that

1072
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:30,360
connect the earthly realm, the heavens, and the underworld.

1073
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I look at all of these stories and my

1074
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,159
mind instantly goes to physics and electromagnetism. I see these

1075
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:40,159
caves as natural, massive cosmic Faraday cages.

1076
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,119
Speaker 2: Oh, that's an interesting thought for those.

1077
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: Who don't know. A Faraday cage, invented by Michael Faraday

1078
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,039
in eighteen thirty six, is an enclosure formed by conductive

1079
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:53,480
material that perfectly blocks external static and non static electric fields.

1080
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,480
It blocks radio waves, It blocks interference. Think of a

1081
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:01,639
deep cave as a geological isolation chamber. If you are

1082
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:05,280
dealing with a fragile human brain. It is constantly bombarded

1083
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,400
by the interference of the world noise, light, daily stress,

1084
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,679
and background radiation. Going hundreds of feet deep underground blocks

1085
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,480
all of that out, acting as a shield, allowing the

1086
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,440
human consciousness to quiet down and tune into or commune

1087
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,679
with specific subtle frequencies that are normally drowned out on

1088
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:23,159
the surface.

1089
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,119
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense.

1090
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: Or on a more extreme physical level, if you are

1091
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,480
being exposed to actual extraterrestrial entities or highly radioactive divine technologies,

1092
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,679
maybe you need hundreds of feet of solid rock above

1093
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,480
your head just to survive the physical exposure.

1094
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: That is a brilliant, encompassing synthesis. It brings every single

1095
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,239
thread we've discussed today together perfectly. Think about it. Logically,

1096
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,440
the arc of the Covenant was so dangerous, so highly charged,

1097
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,639
that it needed to be isolated behind heavy walls and

1098
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:55,400
gold plating in the Holy of Holies. Exactly the human

1099
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,880
beings who encountered these shining beings, who witness blinding lights,

1100
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:03,159
or who are received the world altering cosmic downloads instinctively

1101
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:07,400
retreated into the dense bedrock of the Earth. It strongly

1102
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,239
suggests that, whether humanity was dealing with high level spiritual

1103
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:15,559
epiphanies or high level extraterrestrial technology, the fragile biological human

1104
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,679
body requires a physical geological shield to survive the encounter.

1105
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,239
Speaker 1: The energy was just too much.

1106
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: The energy, whether you call it divine grace or radioactive isotopes,

1107
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,880
was simply two immense too pure for the open air.

1108
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: Wow, we have covered an unbelievable amount of ground. Today,

1109
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,320
let's take a breath and look at the web we've

1110
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:32,800
just woven.

1111
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: It is quite the web.

1112
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: We started by looking at the intricate encrypted stone carvings

1113
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,079
of Rosslyn Chapel and realized the grail might not be

1114
00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:44,440
a cup, but a record of our own DNA or

1115
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,519
a machine from the stars. We touched the Meteoric Libyan

1116
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:51,280
glass forged in the Egyptian desert and saw how the

1117
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:56,000
Cosmos literally crafted the jewelry of the Pharaohs through kinetic.

1118
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,199
Speaker 2: Violence, a violence that was worshiped right.

1119
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:01,639
Speaker 1: We stood in Jerusalem, where King Solomon supposedly use an

1120
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:05,360
alien communication device to command entities to build a specialized

1121
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,719
containment facility for a radioactive box. We saw modern terrifying

1122
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,679
empires hunting for these exact ancient secrets to fuel the

1123
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:16,079
liquid propulsion rockets that took us into space.

1124
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: And finally we ended up in the caves.

1125
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we realized that humanity's most profound, literal connections to

1126
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,519
the Cosmos always seem to be found huddled for safety

1127
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,920
in the darkest, most shielded caves on Earth.

1128
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: It is a sprawling, sometimes intimidating narrative, but it points

1129
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,000
to a singular, vital realization about the human story. I

1130
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,280
want to leave you, the listener, with this lingering thought

1131
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:36,679
to chew on.

1132
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

1133
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: We look back at these ancient texts, we read about

1134
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,679
magic carpets, blinding lights, glowing green stones, and rings that

1135
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,920
control demons, and we comfortably, somewhat arrogantly label them as

1136
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,000
primitive myths from simple people.

1137
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:52,039
Speaker 1: We dismissed them.

1138
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: We do. But if ancient humans were indeed recording true

1139
00:58:56,719 --> 00:59:01,079
physical interactions with advanced technologies, simply doing their best with

1140
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:05,079
the limited vocabulary they had, what phenomena are we fundamentally

1141
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:06,159
misunderstanding today?

1142
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:07,559
Speaker 1: Oh, that is a great question.

1143
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,199
Speaker 2: What magic? What unexplained anomalies or what miracles are we

1144
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:13,440
witnessing right now in our modern skies or in our

1145
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,639
cutting edge laboratories that will simply be taught as standard

1146
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:18,800
basic science in three thousand years.

1147
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:22,159
Speaker 1: That is the ultimate question, because the timeline of human

1148
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:26,079
discovery never stops, It just changes its vocabulary. You've heard

1149
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,119
the history today, you've heard the myths, and you've heard

1150
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:31,079
the hard science. Now we want to know where you stand.

1151
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: We really do.

1152
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: When you look at all these overlapping Threads. Do you

1153
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:40,039
think these ancient texts and artifacts are purely metaphorical, psychological

1154
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,079
stories we tell ourselves to feel safe in a big universe.

1155
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,800
Or do you believe there is a physical, perhaps extraterrestrial

1156
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,159
truth buried in the literal bedrock of our history. Drop

1157
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,239
your thoughts in the comments, let's keep the conversation going.

1158
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:54,360
Thank you for joining us on this incredible journey here

1159
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,159
on Thrilling Threads. We'll catch it next time.