Speaker 1: Imagine, just for a moment, holding a glowing green gemstone
right in the palm of your hand.
Speaker 2: Oh, that is quite the visual to start.
Speaker 1: With, right, It's perfectly smooth, and it's strangely heavier than
it looks, and it feels well, it feels almost alive
against your skin, like it has a pulse exactly because
it's a stone that literally fell from the stars. It
ripped through our atmosphere in this fiery, violent streak before
slamming into the Earth with the force of a nuclear.
Speaker 2: Detonation, a literal piece of cosmic debris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and because of that violent celestial birth, you believe, no,
you are absolutely certain that it pulses with the raw,
unfiltered power of the gods.
Speaker 2: Which is a very natural human reaction to that kind
of event.
Speaker 1: It really is. So hold that image in your mind.
Imagine that this exact same extraterrestrial stone, this chunk of
stellar debris, is actually the true identity of the Holy Grail.
Speaker 2: That completely flips the script on what we think we know.
Speaker 1: Right, We aren't talking about a simple win and cup
from a carpenter's table anymore. We are talking about an
object so profoundly powerful, so fundamentally dangerous, that it was
hunted by medieval nights across bloody battlefields, and hoarded by
ancient kings in heavily fortified leadline temples, and.
Speaker 2: Even desperately sought after by twentieth century empires trying to
win a global war.
Speaker 1: Yes, welcome to thrilling threads.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited for this one. We have a staggering
collection of sources to get through today.
Speaker 1: Oh, we really do.
Speaker 2: We're talking about ancient historical texts, cutting edge archaeological reports,
and some incredibly provocative alternative historical theories that really challenge
the bedrock of what we think we know about human civilization.
Speaker 1: And to you, the listener, we know exactly why you're here.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: You are not here for a dry recitation of historical
dates or textbook definitions. You're here because you want the
whole picture.
Speaker 2: You want to look past the velvet ropes of the
history museums, right.
Speaker 1: You want to know how the most sacred, most heavily
guarded relics in human history might actually be deeply physically
connected to celestial phenomena and perhaps even advanced technology.
Speaker 2: Which is exactly our mission for this discussion. We are
going to take these seemingly disparate threads, spanning thousands of
years and crossing every single continent and show you the unified,
slightly terrifying tapestry they create.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. We have to start our journey
by looking for the ultimate hidden artifact, the Holy Grail.
Speaker 2: The most famous lost object in the history of human
storytelling exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean Indiana, Jones, King, Arthur Money, Python, Everyone has
looked for it. But the moment we actually start digging
into the historical record where we look and more importantly,
what we are looking for, completely flips our traditional expectations
upside down.
Speaker 2: It really does. Because we aren't starting in the dusty
streets of Jerusalem now.
Speaker 1: We are starting in Scotland, specifically Rosslyn Chapel.
Speaker 2: Yes, Rosslyn Chapel, which sits perched atop a small hill
overlooking the village of Rosslyn, very quiet place just about
seven miles south of Edinburgh.
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures, and especially on a foggy Scottish morning,
it looks incredibly intricate and honestly slightly unsettling.
Speaker 2: It has a very imposing medieval presence. It was built
in the fifteenth century, specifically founded in fourteen forty six, right,
and the man responsible for its construction was William Saint Clair,
who is a very wealthy, powerful and deeply enigmatic individual.
He served as the Chancellor of Scotland.
Speaker 1: But the official history of the building, you know, just
being a simple collegiate church, that's just the outermost layer
of the onion.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely the thinnest layer. The real intrigue, the gravity
that pulls researchers there year after year, comes from these persistent, centuries.
Speaker 1: Old rumors the underground vaults.
Speaker 2: Exactly. The rumors state that hidden on the grounds, sealed
in secret subterranean vaults deep beneath the heavy stone floors,
are some of the world's greatest lost relics.
Speaker 1: And when we say relics, we aren't talking about like
old Bibles. We're talking about the ultimate treasure vault, specifically
the lost treasure of the Knights.
Speaker 2: Templar, which is a massive historical thread in itself right
for those.
Speaker 1: Who might just know the name from movies or video games,
the Templars were this highly elite, incredibly wealthy band of
warrior monks.
Speaker 2: They were essentially the first international bankers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and during the Christian Crusades. Their primary base of
operations was located right on top of the Temple Mount
in Jerusalem.
Speaker 2: Right where Solomon's Temple used to be exactly.
Speaker 1: The official story is that they were formed to protect
pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land, but the unofficial, heavily
documented alternative history suggests they spent a vast majority of
their time conducting massive secret excavations deep beneath the ruins
of the temple, that.
Speaker 2: Is, the historical fulcrum of the Templar Mythos. According to
various accounts, they didn't just dig, they broke through into secret, ancient,
unmapped caverns beneath them.
Speaker 1: Out and what did they find on there?
Speaker 2: Well, a huge horle of gold, sure, but more importantly,
religious artifacts of unimaginable power. We were talking about the
most sacred items that supposedly vanished without a trace when
Solomon's Temple was originally sacked by the Babylonians, including the
Holy Grail, including the Grail. So fast forward a few centuries,
the political winds in Europe shift dramatically. The King of
France and the Pope conspire against the Templars because they
owe them entirely too much money.
Speaker 1: A classic political move.
Speaker 2: Right, and the Order is brutally purged on Friday the thirteenth,
thirteen oh seven.
Speaker 1: Which is where we get the superstition right exactly.
Speaker 2: But the legend states that a fleet of templarships escaped
the purge. They took this staggering treasure, fled across the sea,
and eventually brought it to the Saint Clair family, where
it was buried beneath Rosslyn Chapel.
Speaker 1: Which brings us to the architecture of the chapel itself.
Because William Saint Clair didn't just build a standard place
of worship to hold a few pews. He built what
many architectural historians and esoteric researchers call a literal Holy
Grail temple.
Speaker 2: It is designed from the foundation to the vaulted ceilings
to be a massive repository of secrets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you walk inside, you are instantly assaulted by
the most fantastic, dense and cryptic stone symbolism perhaps anywhere
in the world. Every square inch is carved.
Speaker 2: It's like stepping into a giant, claustrophobic stone puzzle box.
Speaker 1: It really is. Saint Clair was a brilliant guy, and
he seemingly collected wisdom traditions from all over the known world.
You have Norse mythology, Celtic paganism, early Christianity, esoteric.
Speaker 2: Masonry, and he forced his stone masons to instill every
single one of those traditions into the walls of Rosslyn.
Speaker 1: But the most prominent and maybe the most deeply telling
of these symbols are the dozens of faces carved into
the walls, known as the green.
Speaker 2: Men ah the green Men.
Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen them. These are essentially pagan motifs.
They are human faces, usually male, with thick vines, foliage
and leaves literally sprouting out of their mouths, their noses,
and their eyes.
Speaker 2: Which traditionally represent nature, wild growth and the cycle of
rebirth right.
Speaker 1: But they aren't just decorative flourishes. There are over one
hundred and ten of these green Men carved into the
stone throughout Rosslyn Chapel.
Speaker 2: And they aren't placed at random.
Speaker 1: No, they follow a very specific, deliberate progression.
Speaker 2: That progression is the key to unlocking the chapel's philosophy.
If you start at the eastern wall of the chapel,
the green men carved there are decidedly young the faces
look youthful, fresh, almost boyish. Okay, But as you physically
walk through the chapel, tracking the progression of these faces,
moving toward the western wall, they visibly age.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: By the time you reach the west the faces are old,
deeply weathered, bearded and mature.
Speaker 1: That is so deliberate.
Speaker 2: It is this architectural choice symbolizes the passing of time,
the evolution of human knowledge, and the ultimate hidden secrets
of the natural world. It forces anyone paying attention to
wonder if the secret of the grail is deeply connected
to this concept of natural progression in biology.
Speaker 1: And if the ultimate secret is hidden there, where exactly
is it? All eyes usually turn to one specific, incredibly
ornate piece of architecture inside the chapel, known as the
Apprentice Pillar. Fascinating piece of masonry, and I have to
admit I love this part of the story because the
myth surrounding this pillar is so intense that it has
bled over into actual documented reality. There is a verified, factual,
historical account of a man who literally walked into Rosslyn
Chapel wielding a heavy iron axe.
Speaker 2: He wasn't just a vandal, no.
Speaker 1: He was a fanatic. He was absolutely convinced, beyond a
shadow of a doubt that the Holy Grail was physically
cemented inside the specific stone pillar, and he was fully
intent on hacking medieval masonry to pieces to get it out.
Speaker 2: That anecdote perfectly highlights the sheer desperation and the physical
obsession people have always had with the Grail.
Speaker 1: Right, they view it as a literal cup made of
gold or silver that needs to be extracted from the rock.
Speaker 2: But researchers looking at the Apprentice Pillar today have started
to propose a radically different interpretation, one that shifts the
paradigm entirely away from a drinking vessel.
Speaker 1: Right, and I want to get into that. Let's look
at the Apprentice pillar itself. It features these sweeping, spiraling
vines that wrap aggressively around.
Speaker 2: The column, very intricate carving.
Speaker 1: Physically, structurally, it bears a stunning, uncanny resemblance to a
double helix. It looks exactly like a strand of human DNA.
Speaker 2: It certainly does have that visual parallel.
Speaker 1: So the theory goes, what if the Grail isn't a
cup you drink wine out of. What if it's a
record of human biology? What if it's a massive ancient
USB drive containing our genetic code.
Speaker 2: That is a massive leaf.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I have to push back a
little on the alternative theories here, because I'm looking at
this structurally. It's a spiral. Humans carve spirals all the time.
We carve vines, we build spiral staircases, we draw snail shells.
Speaker 2: We are drawn to spiral geometry.
Speaker 1: Right, So aren't we making a massive of highly biased
modern leap to look at a fifteenth century stone vine
and call it extraterrestrial data storage.
Speaker 2: That is completely fair and necessary pushback. It is a
definition of presentism applying our modern technological vocabulary to historical artifacts.
A medieval mason carving a creeping vine is almost certainly
just carving a creeping vine. However, I understand the hesitation,
But consider the historical context of the texts that the
Saint Clair family would have been exposed to.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how that technological or biological interpretation
actually aligns with some of the oldest, most obscure, and
weirdest texts we have regarding the Grail mythos. Really, like what, well,
if we look at the work of the medieval German
knight and poet will From von Eschenbach, who wrote the
epic romance Parzevel around the early thirteenth century. Okay, he
presents a version of the Grail that is vastly fundamentally
different from the traditional Christian chalice used at the Last Supper.
Eschenbach explicitly suggests that the Holy Grail was a stone
that and I quote arrived from the stars.
Speaker 1: Wait, really from the stars? He actually wrote that, not
from a carpenter's workshop in Galilee, but from outer space
in the thirteenth century.
Speaker 2: He did. He calls it the Lappis exellis, a term
scholars still debate. But he describes it as a stone
of pure power that was left on earth by a
host of angels. Wow. And he describes it not as
a simple cup, but as a mysterious heavy object or vessel.
And in some translations and deeper esoteric interpretations of his work,
this object is described as possessing things akin to blinking
red lights, or emanating a strange, unearthly radiating.
Speaker 1: Glow blinking red lights. That is wild.
Speaker 2: Right now, if we strip away the poetic license for
a moment, if a medieval poet is trying to describe
a piece of advanced machinery, a data storage unit, or
a piece of extraterrestrial hardware that has glowing indicator lights
or gives off radiation.
Speaker 1: A magical glowing vessel from the stars is exactly the
vocabulary he would be forced to use.
Speaker 2: Precisely, they didn't have the words for electronics or aerospace
engineering or radioactive isotopes. They only had the words magic,
angels and divinity.
Speaker 1: Okay, that context actually changes my perspective quite a bit,
because if you are a medieval guy and you see
an led light, you're calling it an angel's eye. There's
no other frame of reference. But if the grail came
from the stars and it was a piece of literal
technology or cosmic debris, it wouldn't be the first time
humanity fell to its knees to worship objects that literally
dropped out of the sky.
Speaker 2: Not even close.
Speaker 1: This isn't an isolated incident. If you are building an
ancient worldview around a glowing space rock, you have a
lot of historical company.
Speaker 2: A tremendous amount of company, and that.
Speaker 1: Bridges us perfectly. We need to leave the cold, misty
travels of medieval Scotland and trace this logic back to
its roots. We need to look at the blistering heat
of the ancient deserts to truly understand the historical, psychological
human obsession with meteoric stones.
Speaker 2: There is no better more visually striking place to start
that exploration than the Valley of the Kings in Egypt.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Let's wind the clock back to November of nineteen
twenty two. The British archaeologist Howard Carter makes arguably the
most famous world stopping discovery in the history of archaeology,
the virtually intact tomb of the boy king Pharaoh Tutun
common right, King Tut Inside, Carter finds a staggering, claustrophobic
treasure trove. He finds golden shrines, dismantled chariots, statues, and
mountains of artifacts.
Speaker 1: This ungodly amounts of gold, yes, But.
Speaker 2: Among all of that unimaginable wealth, there is one specific
item that stands out for our purposes today, King Tut's
magnificent ceremonial breastplate.
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of this thing and it is stunning.
It's an incredibly ornate golden pectoral piece shaped like a
sacred scare beetle, flanked by baboons and lotus flowers.
Speaker 2: It is a masterclass in ancient jewelry, it really is.
Speaker 1: And in the very center of this breastplate serving the
body of the scarab is a stunning, translucent, pale yellow
green jewel.
Speaker 2: And for a long time, early archaeologists just assumed it
was some kind of rare earth gemstone, maybe a strange
piece of chael said in or quartz.
Speaker 1: But it's not. Modern spectroscopic analysis proved it is a
piece of what geologists call Libyan desert glass. And this
is where the hard science gets completely wild. I need
you to explain this, because this glass isn't a meteorite itself,
but it is the direct violent product of a meteorite impact.
How does sand turn into a gem fit for a faraoh?
Speaker 2: The physics of its creation are both terrifying and aws firing.
We are looking at an event that occurred roughly twenty
nine million years.
Speaker 1: Ago, millions of years.
Speaker 2: Yes, an enormous media write or perhaps a comet, came
screaming into the atmosphere over what is now the Great
Sand Sea in the Egyptian Desert. Now scientists debate whether
it actually impacted the ground and created a crater that
has since eroded, or if it was a massive air
burst like the Tumbuska event exactly similar to the event
in nineteen oh eight, but vastly more powerful. Either way,
the kinetic energy released in that moment was incomprehensibly massive.
It generated localized heat upwards of three thousand degrees fahrenheit
an immense atmospheric pressure. This extreme thermal flash literally flash
fried the desert floor. It instantly melted the silica ridge sand,
fusing it, and then as it rapidly cooled, it formed
this beautiful translucent yellow impact glass scattered across hundreds of
square miles of dunes.
Speaker 1: That is insane. So millions of years later, ancient Egyptians
are walking through the desert and they find these glass
fragments just sitting on the sand. Exactly they had to know.
They didn't make them. They didn't have furnaces capable of
that kind of pure, flawless glass making. They certainly did not,
so they didn't just see them as pretty rocks. They
clearly understood, perhaps through deep ancestral memory passed down through
oral traditions, or just by observing the night sky and
seeing meteor showers that these stones were select.
Speaker 2: They're born from the impact of a falling star.
Speaker 1: Yes, And because of that violent cosmic origin, the glass
was imbued with profound, unmatched cosmic meaning. It was deemed
the only material worthy of sitting directly over the heart
of a living god, the Pharaoh.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It was the ultimate status symbol, but a spiritual one,
not a monetary one, and it highlights a universal human motif.
Ancient humanity had no framework for astrophysics, orbital mechanics, or
kinetic energy transfer. Therefore, any object that descended from the
sky was inherently authoritative. Worshiping meteorites or the glass they
forged was a perfectly logical, rational response to their environment.
Speaker 1: It makes total sense when you put it that way.
Speaker 2: If you look at classical literature across the globe, you
see this exact same hardwiring. Take the Greek playwright Eschylus,
for instance, in his play Prometheus Unbound, he describes an
angry Zeus physically throwing rocks down at the Earth from
the heavens to punish or direct.
Speaker 1: Humanity, throwing rocks the skuy literally meteorites exactly, and.
Speaker 2: Then the Roman Epic the Aeneid, the poet Virgil describes
a massive fiery meteor shower as a direct, undeniable divine
omen signaling that the great city of Troy is about
to fall. In the ancient world, shooting stars and meteorites
weren't just pretty astronomical curiosities. There were deliberate targeted messages.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting for me, because this
isn't just ancient history. People still actively believe in the
power of these impact stones today right now. Oh, absolutely,
Look at the modern market for moldivite. This is a
very specific, rare, beautiful, dark green impact glass that is
found almost exclusively in one small region of the Czech Republic,
formed by a meteorite impact about fifteen million years ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, mouldivite is hugely popular if.
Speaker 1: You go on social media right now. There is a
massive metaphysical reputation surrounding it. People who collect it or
wear it as jewelry claim that it creates a range,
almost palpable, pulsating energy field. They call it the moldivite flush.
People say they literally feel hot and dizzy when they
hold it.
Speaker 2: Yes, the modern lore surrounding moldivite is intense in metaphysical circles.
It acts as a radical amplifier for human intention and emotion.
Speaker 1: How does that work?
Speaker 2: Supposedly, the belief is that its extraterrestrial origin gives it
a higher vibrational frequency. If you approach it with a loving, compassionate,
or growth oriented mindset, it amplifies that positive energy and
accelerates your life. But conversely, if your internal state is chaotic, negative,
or if you have hidden destructive habits, the moldivite will
violently bring that chaos to the surface, allegedly upending your
life to force you to deal with it. It is
treated not just as an inrud stone, but as an active,
energetic participant in human consciousness.
Speaker 1: That is wild. So let's tie this back to where
we started. If ancient humans worshiped impact glass in Egypt,
and modern humans believe impact glass in the checker public
that can rewrite their lives, let's look at the Grail again.
To it, there is a very specific, incredibly cool, albeit
obscure legend that says the Holy Grail wasn't a wooden cup,
but that it was actually carved from a single massive
green gemstone and not just any gemstone mine from the earth,
an emerald that physically fell to Earth from the heavens
during a massive cosmic.
Speaker 2: War from the crown of Lucifer.
Speaker 1: Exactly specifically, it was said to be a jewel struck
from the crown of Lucifer himself when he clashed with
the archangel Michael and was cast out of heaven. So
an angel falls, a piece of his glowing crown, plummets
to Earth, and humans find it and carve it into
the ultimate relic.
Speaker 2: And what's fascinating here is how that specific legend perfectly
bridges the gap between theology and astronomy. It strongly suggests
that what the ancients were describing was in fact a meteorite.
Imagine a massive green impact glass or a space borne
gem plummeting through the atmosphere during an intense meteor shower.
Speaker 1: It would look like a cosmic battle.
Speaker 2: To a shepherd or a east observing this, a burning
streak across the night sky looks exactly like a war
in heaven with angels casting each other down. It proves
that what we call magic or divinity in ancient text
was very likely their precise observational vocabulary for cosmic physics.
Speaker 1: I love that. It's like viewing the universe as a massive,
violent forge. The cosmos violently crashes into the Earth, and
the extreme kinetic physics of that crash instantly manufacture sacred
materials that inherently hold the power of the gods.
Speaker 2: It's the ultimate divine three D printer.
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's not magic. It's just the universe producing extreme
materials through kinetic impact. But to an ancient person, a
glowing green rock that fell from the sky is indistinguishable
from magic.
Speaker 2: Precisely.
Speaker 1: Now, if these celestial artifacts, these heavy, potentially radioactive fragments
of the stars, held such immense perceived power, you don't
just leave them sitting on a table.
Speaker 2: No, you certainly do not.
Speaker 1: If you are an ancient ruler and you possess a starstone,
you need a vault. You need unparalleled, highly specialized structures
to contain them. Which brings us to the ultimate containment facility.
We are leaving the Egyptian deserts and we are heading
to the highly contested heights of Jerusalem. We need to
talk about the architecture of the impossible Solomon's Temple.
Speaker 2: The Temple mount in the Old City of Jerusalem is,
without hyperbole, perhaps the most fiercely contested, historically dense, and sacred,
thirty five acre plateau on the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: It is the focal point of three major world religions,
and the historical reality of what actually stood there is
constantly being updated by modern archaeology, which is incredibly difficult
to conduct given the geopolitical tensions.
Speaker 1: You can't just go dig up the Temple Mount.
Speaker 2: No, you cannot. However, occasionally we get a massive breakthrough.
For example, in the summer of twenty thirteen, a prominent
Israeli archaeologist named doctor Ailot Mezar made a stunning discovery
just one hundred and sixty four feet from the Temple
Mount wall.
Speaker 1: Okay, what did she find.
Speaker 2: Her team was excavating an ancient structure, and they unearthed
a three thousand year old inscribed earthen word.
Speaker 1: Jug Just to put that into perspective for our listeners,
finding an inscribed piece of pottery from three thousand years
ago right at the base of the mount is a
massive deal.
Speaker 2: It is monumental.
Speaker 1: Jerusalem has been conquered, raised, rebuilt, and paved over dozens
of times. Finding something that old intact enough to read,
serves as hard tangible evidence. It bolsters the historical timeline
that King Solomon actually existed as a major regional power
and built his great temple right there on that exact
spot in the tenth century BC, roughly around nine fifty seven.
Speaker 2: BC, precisely. The othal inscription, as it's known, helps ground
the Biblical narrative in physical stratigraphical archaeology. But we have
to ask why was this monumental temple built in the first.
Speaker 1: Place, right What was its purpose?
Speaker 2: If you read the ancient texts the Hebrew Bible, the Talmud,
it wasn't just built as a giant synagogue for people
to gather and prey. It was built with a highly specific,
functional and frankly dangerous purpose to serve as the permanent
housing for the Ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 1: The ultimate holy object.
Speaker 2: Yes, the entire temple complex was mathematically constructed around a
central windowless innermost sanctum known as the Holy of Holies.
This is a room shaped as a perfect cube, completely
overlaid with.
Speaker 1: Gold, gold on every surface.
Speaker 2: Every surface. It was a space so restricted, so revered,
and so feared, that only one man, the High Priest,
was allowed to enter it, and even then only on
one day of the year Jan Kapor, under very strict,
ritually pure conditions.
Speaker 1: And the reason for that strict restriction is what fascinates me.
The texts don't just say the arc was holy. They explicitly,
repeatedly state that the ark was dangerous.
Speaker 2: It was lethal.
Speaker 1: It was lethal. People who touched it improperly, even by accident,
like Uza who reached out to steady it when it
was being transported on a cart, were struck dead on
the spot.
Speaker 2: Just dropped it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, It's described as emitting sparks, causing tumors and
leveling mountains. So you have this gold plated wooden box
sitting in a perfectly isolated gold lined room, indiscriminately killing
people who mishandle it. I have to ask was this
just a fancy chest holding stone tablets with the Ten Commandments?
Or are we looking at an ancient nuclear battery.
Speaker 2: That is a very provocative question.
Speaker 1: Was the Holy of Holies a temple room or are
we looking at an ancient blueprint for a radiation shielding chamber.
Speaker 2: That is the core of the technological interpretation of the arc.
And if we entertained that hypothesis that the ark was
a piece of high level, potentially extraterrestrial or lost ancient
technology functioning as a power source or a weapon. It
forces us to look at how King Solomon managed to
build a facility capable of housing.
Speaker 1: It, right, because the engineering required was staggering.
Speaker 2: It was, and according to the Hebrew Tamud as well
as deeply entrenched Islamic records in the Qur'an, Solomon did
not build this temple using standard human labor alone.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go the text.
Speaker 2: It's claimed that King Solomon possessed an artifact of the
immense localized power known as Solomon's Ring or the Seal
of Solomon, which we now commonly recognize visually as the
Star of David or the Hexagre. Right, the text claimed
that this ring was not forged by human blacksmiths. It
was brought down from heaven and given to him directly
by angels. Furthermore, it had the secret, cryptic, unspeakable name
of God engraved upon it.
Speaker 1: And this ring wasn't just a shiny symbol of office.
It wasn't just a crown jewel. The texts say it
was a functional tool. It granted Solomon the literal physical
power to command and control other worldly beings. Yes, we're
talking about demons, gin or genies. There's a specific, highly
detailed story about an entity named Ashmadi or Asmodeus in Greek,
who is said to be the king of the demons.
Solomon allegedly used this ring to compel as Medeus and
his legions of supernatural entities to physically cut the mass
of stones and construct the temple because human hands weren't
strong enough or skilled enough to do it.
Speaker 2: Let's strip away the mythological religious vocabulary for a second.
If we connect this to the bigger picture, you have
an ancient ruler who suddenly, inexplicably acquires the means to
build a structure of unprecedented architectural and mathematical complexity. This
isn't just a fringe theory. Even Sir Isaac Newton, one
of the greatest scientific minds and physicists in human history,
was entirely obsessed with Solomon's temple.
Speaker 1: Isaac Newton was obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: He was. Newton wrote extensively about it, studying its design.
Because the temple utilized highly advanced sacred geometry, incredibly precise
astronomical alignments and light catching architectural techniques that seemed vastly
ahead of their time. Newton believed the temple was a
microcosm of the universe and held the mathematical laws of nature.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's bring this into the modern day. Imagine trying
to build a highly advanced skyscraper right now, a nuclear
power plant, for example.
Speaker 2: You need a lot of resources, right.
Speaker 1: You need massive cranes, reinforced steeloul of specialized union workers,
global supply chains, and CAD software. But Solomon's blueprint allegedly
required him to call in extraterrestrial tech support via a
magic ring.
Speaker 2: A literal call to the heavens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he uses a ring given by angels to control
demons to do the heavy lifting that normal human bronze
age engineering couldn't handle. But wait, I have to play
Devil's advocate here, Please do If I am an ancient
scribe and I see my king utilizing a massive, highly
efficient slave labor force, maybe capturing a neighboring army and
forcing them to cut stone, wouldn't I just write down
that he commanded demons to make him look more godlike?
Aren't we just reading ancient propaganda that is.
Speaker 2: The most standard, widely accepted historical view. Yes, ancient kings
constantly exaggerated their exploits and claimed divine assistants to legitimize
their rule exactly. However, the alternative theory asks us to
look at the consistency of the anomalies because it isn't
just the labor force. We also have to factor in
the specific Islamic text that described Solomon possessing a magic
carpet of green silk.
Speaker 1: Oh right, the magic carpet.
Speaker 2: This carpet was allegedly large enough for his entire royal throne,
his advisors, and his military forces to stand on, and
he used it for rapid transport through the air, traveling
months worth of distance in a single day. Now, what
are we actually reading here? We know scientifically that magic
flying carpets made of silk do not exist. We know
that literal redskin demons with pitchforks did not build a
stone temple.
Speaker 1: Right, So what's the translation? What were they actually seeing?
Speaker 2: Well, if we assume our ancestors were accurately reporting what
they saw, just severely lacking the modern vocabulary to describe it,
the narrative shifts entirely the demons in Gin with superhuman
strength who could cut massive stones perfectly without iron tools,
could very well be misinterpretations of heavy automated machinery or
extraterrestrial laborers.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: The magic carpet of green silk covering the air sounds
exactly like an earnest attempt to describe a hovering spacecraft
or an anti gravity transport platform. And the ring, the
ring sounds like a remote control, a biometric access key,
or a communication device that linked Solomon to this higher technology.
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? It completely changes the map.
It frames the Temple Mound not just as a religious
holy site, but as an ancient landing pad or a
highly technical construction zone overseen by non human intelligence.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and it explains why multiple massive world traditions Judaism, Islam,
Christianity all violently converge on this one specific thirty five
acre plateau.
Speaker 1: It's the epicenter.
Speaker 2: It is universally viewed in these traditions as the foundational
spot where God touched down on planet Earth. If an
advanced extraterrestrial craft actually landed there in antiquity and its
occupants provided the technology to build a massive containment facility
for a dangerous radiating power source like the arc.
Speaker 1: That singular event would instantly become the focal point of
human religious devotion for the next three millennia. The trauma
and awe of that event would echo forever.
Speaker 2: It would rewrite human history overnight.
Speaker 1: Okay, but here's the logical next step. If you are
building massive containment vaults and you are dealing with advanced technology,
you need raw materials, You need specific resources that can
handle that kind of energy you do. And this brings
us to a really uncomfortable question about human history. What
if the ultimate earthly treasure, the one thing humans have
killed each other over, enslaved each other over, and conquered
continents for thousands of years, gold wasn't originally valued just
because it looked pretty and caught the light. Fascinating premise,
what if it was valued for its interstellar scientific utility.
To understand this, we need to leave the deserts of
the Middle East and hack our way into the high
altitude jungles of Columbia.
Speaker 2: We are shifting our geographical focus to Lake Guadavida, located
high in the Andes Mountains of Columbia. Right. This is
a perfectly circular, incredibly deep, almost crater like mountainlike in
pre Columbian times. It was located squarely within the territory
of the Muisca or Chipcha people, and this specific location,
this specific lake, is the true factual, historical origin point
for the legend of El Dorado.
Speaker 1: El Dorado the Lost City of gold. I mean, explorers
have spent centuries hacking through mosquito infested jungles, going mad
and dying of malaria to find it. But the twist
is El Dorado wasn't originally a city at all, right,
It wasn't a place made of golden brick.
Speaker 2: Correct. Eldorado translates directly from Spanish as the Golden One.
The Spanish conquistadors gave this name not to a hidden city,
but to a specific person, the ruler of the Muisca people,
a king or chief known as the Zepa. Right, the
legend stemmed from a very real, incredibly lavish, and highly
specific sacred ritual that the Weisca performed to appease their gods.
During this ritual, the Zepa would be stripped down and
completely covered from head to toe in a sticky, fragrant
resin wow. Then his attendance would blow fine, pure gold
dust all over his body until he was completely coated.
He was literally a living, breathing statue of solid gold.
Speaker 1: That visual is incredible. A man made of gold standing
in the high mounds. What was the purpose of all this?
Speaker 2: He would step onto a royal ceremonial raft made of rushes,
accompanied by his high priests, and be floated out to
the exact dead center of Lake Guadavida. Once there, the
crowd on the shores would chant and play.
Speaker 1: Instruments, a massive spectacle.
Speaker 2: Exactly the Zeppa would then dive into the freezing deep
waters of the lake to wash the gold dust off
his body. This was considered a direct physical offering to
a powerful god or entity that they believed lived at
the very bottom of the.
Speaker 1: Lake, and they didn't just offer dust. No.
Speaker 2: Following his dive, his followers on the rafts and on
the shores would throw massive amounts of intricately crafted golden objects, jewelry, statues,
ceremonial armor directly into the deep water as sacrifices.
Speaker 1: And for a long time historians and rival explorers thought
this was just myth, a tall tale. The locals told
to make the Spanish drool and wander off into the jungle.
But it wasn't a myth, not at all. In nineteen twelve,
a British engineer named Hartley Knowles actually formed a company,
led an excavation and used steam pumps to attempt to
drain part of Lake Guadavida. He basically tried to pull
the plug on the lake.
Speaker 2: An incredibly ambitious engineering feat for the time, and.
Speaker 1: He found the proof. He recovered around twenty thousand dollars
worth of pure gold, and you have to remember that's
in nineteen twelve currency, so it's worth vastly more today.
He pulled up actual golden artifacts, breastplates and jewelry. It
proved definitively that this massive hoarding and dumping ritual was
physically happening.
Speaker 2: It absolutely happened.
Speaker 1: But it begs the question who or what was at
the bottom of that lake that demanded tons and tons
of gold? Why? Gold?
Speaker 2: This is where the highly controversial work of researchers like
Zakaria Sitchen comes into play. Sichin was a researcher who
analyzed and translated ancient Sumerian kiniform texts. He proposed a
fascinating paradigm shifting theory.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 2: He suggested that extraterrestrials, which the ancient Sumerians called the Nunaki,
originally came to Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago.
But they didn't come here to conquer us, or to
study us, or to enlighten us. They came here to
conduct a massive global mining operation.
Speaker 1: They were miners, yes.
Speaker 2: And their primary target gold. According to Sitchin's interpretation of
the texts, the Aninaki needed this gold to save their
own dying planet. They needed to pulverize it into a
microscopic fine dust and suspend it in the atmosphere of
their home planet to preserve their failing climate and reflect
away harmful cosmic radiation.
Speaker 1: Now, hold on, We always think of gold as currency.
We think of it as jewelry, as a Rolex watch,
as a status symbol to show how rich and powerful
you are. But if you strip away the human ego
and look at the hard physical chemistry of gold, Sitchen's
theory suddenly doesn't sound incrazy.
Speaker 2: It lines surprisingly well with modern science.
Speaker 1: Scientifically, gold is literally the ultimate space age duct tape.
It is an incredibly unique, bizarre element. First of all,
it's completely inert, meaning it doesn't tarnish, it doesn't rust,
it doesn't react with water or oxygen. You can leave
it at the bottom of a lake for a thousand
years and it comes up shining.
Speaker 2: Which is why we use it in electronics today.
Speaker 1: Exactly. It is an absolute powerhouse conductor of electricity. But
most importantly for space travel, gold is a perfect, flawless
reflector of infrared energy and heat.
Speaker 2: That last point about infrared reflection is crucial to understand.
In our own modern space exploration, NASA relies on gold.
It is indispensable.
Speaker 1: They use it everywhere.
Speaker 2: We use highly engineered thin gold blankets to wrap our
satellites in spacecraft to protect their delicate electronics from the
intense blistering heat of the Sun and other stars. If
you look at the visors of astronauts spacesuits, the helmets
they wear during spacewalks, they have a microscopic layer of
real gold applied to them to protect their eyes, to
protect the astronaut's eyes from blinding solar radiation while still
allowing them to see. If you look at the James
Web Space telescope, the most advanced piece of optical equipment
ever built by humans. Its mathive hexagonal mirrors are coated
in microscopic layers of gold to perfectly reflect and capture
infrared light from the distant early universe.
Speaker 1: Gold isn't just shiny, It is highly advanced functional technological armor.
Speaker 2: It absolutely is.
Speaker 1: Exactly if you're listening to this wall driving, think about
the catalytic converter in your car. It uses rare earth
metals like palladium or platinum for very specific chemical reactions
to filter exhaust. Now imagine someone two thousand years from
now digging up your car, finding that shiny metal and
wearing the catalytic converter around their neck as a religious amulet.
Speaker 2: That is a perfect analogy.
Speaker 1: That's essentially what we might be doing with gold. Are
human empires just unwittingly hoarding ancient alien building supplies. We
dug it out of the ground, thought it looked pretty,
and spent centuries slaughtering each other over it. But originally,
maybe early humans saw gods coming down from the sky
desperate for this specific yellow metal to fix their ships,
conduct electricity, or save their planet's atmosphere.
Speaker 2: That phenomenon you're describing is exactly what anthropologists call a
cargo cult dynamic. And to understand how powerful that is,
we have to look at a verified modern historical example. Okay,
like what During World War two the American and Japanese
military set up temporary air bases on remote islands in
the Pacific, like Melanesia. The indigenous islanders, who had never
seen modern technology, suddenly saw massive metal birds drop from
the sky. The soldiers emerged, sharing miraculous things can spam, chocolate, radios, medicine.
But when the war ended, the militaries packed up and left.
The supply drop stopped.
Speaker 1: So what did the islanders do?
Speaker 2: The Islanders, wanting the gods to return with their miracles,
began building life sized mock airplanes out of bamboo and straw.
They carved wooden headphones and sat and mock control towers,
mimicking the air traffic controllers they had observed. They marched
in formation with wooden rifles. Wow, they perfectly replicated the
form of the technology without understanding the function.
Speaker 1: That is exactly it. So apply that to gold right.
Speaker 2: Imagine a less advanced ancient civilization witnessing beings of immense power,
beings arriving in fiery ships utilizing a shiny yellow metal
for their very survival or their technology. The humans wouldn't
understand the thermodynamics, the electrical conductivity, or the infrared reflectivity
of the metal.
Speaker 1: They would just see the gods valuing it.
Speaker 2: They would simply observe that the powerful gods value this
specific substance above all else. Naturally, the humans would elevate
that metal to a sacred status. They would begin hoarding it,
offering it back to the gods to appease them, like
throwning into Lake Quadavita, and eventually wearing it themselves to
mimic divine power.
Speaker 1: That is just brilliant.
Speaker 2: It created a psychological feedback loop that drove sen trees
of bloody human conquest for a resource that we as
a species are only just now starting to use for
its true interstellar purpose in our own space programs.
Speaker 1: That completely recontextualizes human greed. It makes you look at
a gold necklace in a totally different light. But if
we want to talk about humanity fundamentally orienting itself around
celestial objects, we have to look at arguably the most
venerated stone on Earth.
Speaker 2: Today we do.
Speaker 1: We've seen gold utilized for tech and green glass worshiped
by pharaohs. But there is a physical stone sitting at
the center of the Islamic world that continues this thread
of celestial objects dictating human devotion on a massive global scale.
Speaker 2: Indeed, we are traveling to Mecca, located in the Hedgeads
region of Saudi Arabia. Historically, this is the birthplace of
the prophet Mohammad, who was born there around the year
five seventy eight. Okay, but long before the advent of Islam,
Mecca was already a highly prosperous, bustling commercial port. It
was a major vital hub for ancient caravan trade routes
connecting India, Asia Damascus in Egypt. It was a melting
pot of cultures and religions.
Speaker 1: A huge center of trade, yes, but.
Speaker 2: Its supreme significance today is entirely spiritual. And the center
of meccaized the maje Ad Alharam, the Great Mosque, and
at the very heart of that massive, sprawling complex stands
the Kava.
Speaker 1: The Kaba is an incredibly striking structure to look at.
Even in photographs, it commands attention. It is a massive
cube shaped granite building standing about forty three feet high
and thirty six feet wide.
Speaker 2: And draped in that beautiful cloth, yes.
Speaker 1: The Kiswa, which is a heavy black silk cloth that
is intricately embroidered with verses from the Kuran in pure
gold thread. According to Islamic tradition, the Kaba wasn't just
built recently. It was constructed originally by the first man, Adam,
and then rebuilt roughly in the year two thousand BC
by the patriarch Abraham and his son Ishmael. As the
first house of worship dedicated to a single.
Speaker 2: God, and its gravitational pull on human behavior is staggering.
It is the Kiblah, the direction that nearly two billion
Muslims around the world face when they perform their daily prayers. Wow. Furthermore,
every single year, millions of Muslims traveled to Mecca to
perform the Hodge pilgrimage. The central most iconic ritual of
the Hodje is the Tawaff. This requires these millions of
pilgrims to enter the massive courtyard and physically circumnavigate the Kaba,
walking around it seven times in a massive, swirling, counterclockwise direction.
Speaker 1: But the Kaba itself, the cube building, isn't the only
focal point. Embedded in the eastern corner of the Kaba,
roughly five feet off the ground and encased in a
massive silver frame, is an object known as the Blackstone,
and the legends and history surrounding the specific stone are intense.
Islamic tradition states that this stone was brought directly down
from the sky, given to Abraham by the archangel Gabriel.
Speaker 2: Or Michael, a stone from heaven right.
Speaker 1: Some esoteric legends even suggest that it originally contains sealed
information or a covenant from God, and that it was
originally pure, blinding white, but turned black by absorbing the
sins of humanity over millennia. Furthermore, many pilgrims and historical
accounts claim that the stone radiates a palpable spiritual, emotional,
or healing energy.
Speaker 2: From a secular scientific standpoint, the broad consensus among geologists
and historians is that the Blackstone is in fact an
ancient mediorite another star stone. Exactly, it is a piece
of cosmic debris that survived the fiery entry through Earth's atmosphere.
There are debates. Some suggest it might be an agate
or a piece of pseudomediorite, but its celestial origin is
widely accepted outside of theology.
Speaker 1: But it can't just test it right.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Because of its immense, unshakable spiritual significance.
Any kind of modern forensic or geological examination, like taking
a core sample, chipping off a piece for carbon dating,
or doing chemical analysis, is strictly, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Forbidden, as it should be out of respect.
Speaker 2: The mystery is fiercely protected by devotion. During the Hajj,
pilgrims will attempt to kiss the stone if they can
navigate the massive crowds to get close enough, or simply
point to it in a gesture of profound respect and
veneration as they orbit.
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? When I look at
aerial footage of the Hajj, with millions of people dressed
in identical white garments swirling around this black cube and
a massive, unbroken counterclockwise rotation, I don't just see a
religious ceremony.
Speaker 2: What do you see?
Speaker 1: I can't help but visualize the Kaba as a massive
ancient energetic battery or a generator. You have a celestial core,
the black Stone, a meteorite with potentially unique electromagnetic properties
sitting in the dead center, and you have millions of
human beings, each with their own bioelectric fields, their own
body heat, and their intense, heavily focused intentions acting as
the circulating electrical current moving around it.
Speaker 2: That is a fascinating visual.
Speaker 1: It literally looks like a schematic for a massive electric motor.
You have the stater in the middle and the rotor
spinning around it.
Speaker 2: That is a highly evocative way to look at it.
And this raises an important question that ties perfectly back
to what we discussed with the Libyan desert glass and
the moldavite. Exactly, regardless of an individual specific religious beliefs,
whether they are Muslim, Christian, pagan, or entirely secular, there's
a profound, deeply unifying human instinct at play here. Humanity
has an irrepressible, almost biological drive to take fragments of
the stars, meteors, impact glass, celestial debris, and build our
most unshakable, permanent institutions around them.
Speaker 1: We base our lives around them.
Speaker 2: We literally orient the direction of our daily prayers, our architecture,
and our physical bodies toward these fallen stones. It proves,
beyond any doubt the sheer, psychological, spiritual, and perhaps energetic
power that the cosmos coming to Earth holds over the
human psyche. We are drawn to the stars even when
they are buried in the ground.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, really, this deep, unyielding spiritual reverence for the cosmos.
It shows a connection. But as we know, history shows
us that human reverence is most spiritual and beautiful right
up until it isn't.
Speaker 2: That is unfortunately true.
Speaker 1: Because what happens when a modern, highly industrialized, incredibly ruthless
military regime looks at these ancient myths, looks at these
starstones and arcs and decides, Hey, these aren't just metaphors
for spiritual growth, these are actual physical blueprints for advanced weaponry.
Speaker 2: It becomes very dark.
Speaker 1: That transition from spirituality to militarization is terrifying.
Speaker 2: It is undoubtedly the darkest, most sobering chapter in this exploration.
To understand how ancient myths were weaponized, we have to
shift our timeline forward to nineteen thirties and forties Germany
during the rise and rain of the Nazi party apparatus,
and the central, highly controversial figure in this specific intersection
of myth, state, power, and heart science is the engineer
Werner von Braun.
Speaker 1: Von Braun is a hugely complicated historical figure. He was
undeniably a brilliant aerospace engineer, a visionary when it came
to rocketry. For years after the war, he claimed he
avoided joining the Nazi Party, that he was just a scientist.
Speaker 2: That was his defense.
Speaker 1: Yes, but the historical record shows that on November twelfth,
nineteen thirty seven, he was officially commanded to join. His
defense was always that he did so under the thread
of death, or at least the threat of losing his
life's work, and that he merely saw the regime's massive,
unchecked funding as a necessary evil to develop his rockets
and reach space.
Speaker 2: Whatever his internal motivations, he certainly delivered results for them
he did.
Speaker 1: By nineteen forty four, he and his team had developed
the A four rocket, which the regime later rebranded as
the V two or the Virgaltumbswaft to the Vengeance weapon,
and the leap.
Speaker 2: In technology that the V two represents cannot be overstated.
It is a massive anomaly in the history of engineering.
Before this, rockets were relatively primitive. They largely relied on
solid fuel, which is essentially gunbowder right like fireworks, the
solid fuel is like a firework. Once you light it,
you can't stop it, you can't throttle it, and it's
highly unpredictable. Yeah, the V two was a forty five
foot twenty seven thousand pounds monster. It shattered every previous record.
Speaker 1: It was a game changer.
Speaker 2: Von Braun's team mastered liquid fuel propulsion, specifically a highly
volatle mixture of ethanol and liquid oxygen. This required inventing complex,
high speed turbopumps that could force the fuel into the
combustion chamber without melting. The V two climbed to a
staggering altitude of one hundred and eight point five miles.
Speaker 1: Wow into space.
Speaker 2: It officially became the very first man made object to
pierce the boundary of space. He combined theoretical physics with
practical industrial application at a speed that left the rest
of the world completely stunned.
Speaker 1: But here's where I have to ask a big question.
How how do you make that kind of unprecedented generational
technological leap in just a few short years, all while
your country is actively fighting a multi front world war,
getting bombed daily, and facing massive resource shortages.
Speaker 2: It's a valid question.
Speaker 1: Was it just throwing endless money and tragically horrific slave
labor at a genius engineer or was there something else
feeding that research? Because this is where the Nazi regimes bizarre,
deeply documented occult obsession comes into play.
Speaker 2: To understand that leap, we have to look at an
organization founded in nineteen thirty five by Heinrich Himler, the
head of the SS. He established an elite, highly secretive
institute within the Nazi apparatus called the Unerby. Publicly, their
stated mandate was relatively benign to research the cultural and
archaeological history of the Aryan race, but their true operational purpose,
driven by Himler's own fanatical beliefs, was entirely bizarre.
Speaker 1: What were they actually doing.
Speaker 2: The Anarby was founded on the belief that the Aryan
race was directly descended from ancient godlike beings, perhaps even extraterrestrials,
who had once ruled the Earth and possessed highly advanced
magical technology.
Speaker 1: And they didn't just sit in libraries in Berlin writing
theoretical papers about this. They were fully funded, militarized, real
life Indiana Jones villains. The Annabee launched massive, highly equipped
global expeditions that went all over the world. They went
to Tibet, measuring skulls and looking for the roots of
the Aryan race. They went to South America. There are
rumors of expeditions to Antarctica. And what were they looking for.
They were hunting down the exact occult artifacts we've been
talking about today. Yes, they were actively searching for the
ark of the Covenant and they were desperately hunting for
the Holy Grail.
Speaker 2: They believed these items were not just religious symbols. They
believed the Grail and the arc were actual physical, ancient
technologies left behind by those alien gods. And the theory
that connects this archaeological pillaging to our rocket program is chilling.
Speaker 1: This is the crazy part.
Speaker 2: Von Braun became the technical director at Pinamanda, the massive
secret experimental research facility on the Baltic coast, working directly
under the supervision of the SS and Himmler. The theory
posits that the unprecedented, almost inexplicable advancement and turbopump engineering,
aerodynamics and gyroscopic guidance systems wasn't purely the result of
human trial and error. Right. Some researchers suggest that the
NRBAY during their global expeditions actually succeeded in finding ancient
texts vimanis chematics in India, relics or fragments of ancient
extraterrestrial technology. They then funneled that reverse engineer data directly
to von Braun's team at Pineman.
Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, it's like skipping from the wooden abacist
straight to a quantum computer in a single weekend. The
technological leap is just too abrupt to be normal R
and D.
Speaker 2: It's remarkably fast.
Speaker 1: Now, obviously we are looking at this strictly as a
historical timeline and exploring the alternative theory surrounding it. We
are simply reporting the facts of their occult obsession, not
endorsing any of their horrific politics.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: But you have to highlight the absolute chilling reality of
what was happening here. A fascist military state literally weaponized
the human search for the divine. They took the quest
for the Holy grow, the ultimate symbol of spiritual purity
in life, and they turned it into a ballistic missile
program designed to drop high explosives on London.
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate historical warning about the danger of
esoteric obsessions merging with unchecked state power. The inner circle
of the Nazi Party, particularly Himmler, didn't view rocketry merely
as secular physics or standard engineering.
Speaker 1: How did they view it?
Speaker 2: They viewed it as an arcane secret, a form of
technological black magic that would grant them the power to
dominate the world, much in the exact same way King
Solomon supposedly dominated the demons with his ring. It forces
us to synthesize a very strange, uncomfortable historical reality, the
eternal mythological search for ancient power. The hunt for the
arc and the Grail, was the exact catalyst that directly
funded and fueled the dawn of the modern human space age.
We eventually went to the stars. We landed on the moon,
largely because a tyrannical regime was trying to find ancient
magic in the dirt that.
Speaker 1: Is heavy, really heavy. We followed stones falling from the sky.
We followed massive rockets shooting up into the sky to
reach the stars. But for this final thread, we need
to pull it all together by going in the exact
opposite direction.
Speaker 2: We need to go down.
Speaker 1: Exactly deep into the earth itself. Because when you look
at the historical record across all cultures, why is it
that the most profound world altering encounters with these celestial
or divine forces almost always seem to happen underground.
Speaker 2: It is a phenomenal, undeniable pattern. Let's look at the
concept of sacred caids across history, starting with the Church
of the Nativity in Bethlehem. This church was built around
three thirty eighty by the Roman Emperor Constantine. It is
widely believed by Christians to sit directly above the true
birthplace of Jesus Christ. But if you look at texts
outside the standard canonized Bible, like the apocryphal Potaway Evangelium
of James, the Nativity story is told slightly but crucially differently.
Oh so, it states that Mary did not give birth
in a wooden stable behind an inn, but rather inside
a cave. And when Joseph approached this cave with a midwife,
he was met not with a normal baby crying, but
with a brilliant, blinding light luminous cloud that eventually dissipated
to reveal the child.
Speaker 1: A brilliant dissipating light inside a cave. And that's just
the beginning of the story. Let's look at the end
of the story. The tomb of resurrection. Again, we are
dealing with a cave, a hollowed out room carved directly
into the bedrock, with a massive circular stone rolled over
the entrance to seal it. Yes, and the evidence that
something inexplicable, something highly energetic, happened in that cave brings
us to the Shroud of Turin.
Speaker 2: The Shroud of Turin is perhaps the most heavily analyzed,
debated religious artifact in the world. It is a length
of linen cloth bearing the negative image of a crucified man.
While carbon dating in the eighties suggested it was medieval,
more recent highly advanced analyzes strongly suggest it could indeed
be a first century garment. But the real mystery, the
thing scientists still cannot replicate, is how the image was
formed on the linen. It was not painted, it wasn't dyed,
there are no breaststrokes. The leading theory among physicists and
research as you study it is that the image was
burned into the microscopic fibers of the cloth by an
incredibly intense millisecond burst of energy or ultraviolet radiation.
Speaker 1: A massive burst of non human radiation inside a sealed
rock cave. And when people arrived at the cave. The
next day, the body was gone, but the text say
they were met by two shining non human beings, shining
beings and radiation bursts. But it's not just a Christian phenomenon.
This pattern is everywhere you look in history.
Speaker 2: It is a truly global phenomenon. Look at the prophet Muhammed.
Where was he when he received the first world changing
revelation of the Qur'an.
Speaker 1: He was in a cave, right.
Speaker 2: He wasn't in a bustling city square in Mecca. He
was isolating himself, meditating deep inside a cave at Maulhira
when he experienced an overwhelming presence and heard the archangel
Gabriel command him to recite Wow. If we go to
Hebrew tradition, the great prophet Elijah, who operated in the
ninth century BCE, lived and experience the raw whispering voice
of the divine while hiding a cave on Mount Horeb.
Even in classical Greek mythology, the king of the gods
Zeus himself was said to have been born and hidden
from his father Cronus inside the dictained cave on the
island of Crete.
Speaker 1: That is just wild.
Speaker 2: Across the Mediterranean, the Middle East, and beyond. Caves are
universally worshiped not just as holes in the ground for shelter,
but as active gateways, portals, or cosmic air locks that
connect the earthly realm, the heavens, and the underworld.
Speaker 1: Okay, I look at all of these stories and my
mind instantly goes to physics and electromagnetism. I see these
caves as natural, massive cosmic Faraday cages.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's an interesting thought for those.
Speaker 1: Who don't know. A Faraday cage, invented by Michael Faraday
in eighteen thirty six, is an enclosure formed by conductive
material that perfectly blocks external static and non static electric fields.
It blocks radio waves, It blocks interference. Think of a
deep cave as a geological isolation chamber. If you are
dealing with a fragile human brain. It is constantly bombarded
by the interference of the world noise, light, daily stress,
and background radiation. Going hundreds of feet deep underground blocks
all of that out, acting as a shield, allowing the
human consciousness to quiet down and tune into or commune
with specific subtle frequencies that are normally drowned out on
the surface.
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Or on a more extreme physical level, if you are
being exposed to actual extraterrestrial entities or highly radioactive divine technologies,
maybe you need hundreds of feet of solid rock above
your head just to survive the physical exposure.
Speaker 2: That is a brilliant, encompassing synthesis. It brings every single
thread we've discussed today together perfectly. Think about it. Logically,
the arc of the Covenant was so dangerous, so highly charged,
that it needed to be isolated behind heavy walls and
gold plating in the Holy of Holies. Exactly the human
beings who encountered these shining beings, who witness blinding lights,
or who are received the world altering cosmic downloads instinctively
retreated into the dense bedrock of the Earth. It strongly
suggests that, whether humanity was dealing with high level spiritual
epiphanies or high level extraterrestrial technology, the fragile biological human
body requires a physical geological shield to survive the encounter.
Speaker 1: The energy was just too much.
Speaker 2: The energy, whether you call it divine grace or radioactive isotopes,
was simply two immense too pure for the open air.
Speaker 1: Wow, we have covered an unbelievable amount of ground. Today,
let's take a breath and look at the web we've
just woven.
Speaker 2: It is quite the web.
Speaker 1: We started by looking at the intricate encrypted stone carvings
of Rosslyn Chapel and realized the grail might not be
a cup, but a record of our own DNA or
a machine from the stars. We touched the Meteoric Libyan
glass forged in the Egyptian desert and saw how the
Cosmos literally crafted the jewelry of the Pharaohs through kinetic.
Speaker 2: Violence, a violence that was worshiped right.
Speaker 1: We stood in Jerusalem, where King Solomon supposedly use an
alien communication device to command entities to build a specialized
containment facility for a radioactive box. We saw modern terrifying
empires hunting for these exact ancient secrets to fuel the
liquid propulsion rockets that took us into space.
Speaker 2: And finally we ended up in the caves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we realized that humanity's most profound, literal connections to
the Cosmos always seem to be found huddled for safety
in the darkest, most shielded caves on Earth.
Speaker 2: It is a sprawling, sometimes intimidating narrative, but it points
to a singular, vital realization about the human story. I
want to leave you, the listener, with this lingering thought
to chew on.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: We look back at these ancient texts, we read about
magic carpets, blinding lights, glowing green stones, and rings that
control demons, and we comfortably, somewhat arrogantly label them as
primitive myths from simple people.
Speaker 1: We dismissed them.
Speaker 2: We do. But if ancient humans were indeed recording true
physical interactions with advanced technologies, simply doing their best with
the limited vocabulary they had, what phenomena are we fundamentally
misunderstanding today?
Speaker 1: Oh, that is a great question.
Speaker 2: What magic? What unexplained anomalies or what miracles are we
witnessing right now in our modern skies or in our
cutting edge laboratories that will simply be taught as standard
basic science in three thousand years.
Speaker 1: That is the ultimate question, because the timeline of human
discovery never stops, It just changes its vocabulary. You've heard
the history today, you've heard the myths, and you've heard
the hard science. Now we want to know where you stand.
Speaker 2: We really do.
Speaker 1: When you look at all these overlapping Threads. Do you
think these ancient texts and artifacts are purely metaphorical, psychological
stories we tell ourselves to feel safe in a big universe.
Or do you believe there is a physical, perhaps extraterrestrial
truth buried in the literal bedrock of our history. Drop
your thoughts in the comments, let's keep the conversation going.
Thank you for joining us on this incredible journey here
on Thrilling Threads. We'll catch it next time.