Speaker 1: Oh bed that are.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 3: Trigger warn this podcast may include explicit content that will
Speaker 3: take you out of your comfort zone and make you
Speaker 3: question reality.
Speaker 4: Listener's discretion is advised. Hello, and welcome back to the
Speaker 4: third installment of the Conspira Asylum series. This is Cinemania.
Speaker 4: In this episode, we're gonna be as we hinted around
Speaker 4: in the last two episodes, talking about all of the
Speaker 4: pop culture and our favorite picks for mental.
Speaker 5: Illness in cinema and television. Yeah, I mean get we're
Speaker 5: doing five movies each. Hopefully we don't get carried away
Speaker 5: talking about each one or this will be a long
Speaker 5: ass episode.
Speaker 4: There's so much to say about each.
Speaker 5: One, though, I guess so if we take twenty minutes
Speaker 5: on each one, that's going to be a three hour
Speaker 5: episode and then some Well.
Speaker 4: I will say that we both recently rewatched American Horror
Speaker 4: Story Season two asylum.
Speaker 5: Best season in my opinion, in.
Speaker 4: Your opinion, man, And we just finished watching Girl Interrupted
Speaker 4: millionth time for me, second time.
Speaker 5: For you or third. Maybe I dated a girl in
Speaker 5: high school who really liked it. I know I watched
Speaker 5: it once with her, probably maybe another time, but I
Speaker 5: didn't really remember a lot of it. So we also
Speaker 5: watched Memento. Oh yeah, so Girl Interrupted as one of
Speaker 5: Julia's picks, and Memento is one of mine, And they're
Speaker 5: definitely on the different ends of the style of film
Speaker 5: that they are. One of them's really intense and fast paced,
Speaker 5: and the other ones kind of just a long drawn
Speaker 5: out tale of your old, typical post teen girl going
Speaker 5: a little Nutso yeah.
Speaker 4: But there's more to it, which I will discuss when
Speaker 4: we get into We didn't really talk about who's gonna
Speaker 4: go first or what all, but in my notes, I
Speaker 4: also had that I wanted to kind of touch on
Speaker 4: the fact that while I was watching American Horror Story,
Speaker 4: it occurred to me that when mental illness is portrayed
Speaker 4: in shows and movies, it almost has like this paranormal vibe,
Speaker 4: doesn't it to you.
Speaker 5: Like, well, if it occurred to you while you were
Speaker 5: watching American Horse Story Asylum, that's because it is.
Speaker 4: Well, even when Girl Interrupted, it's like it's so outside
Speaker 4: of it's such a trip to like look through the
Speaker 4: eyes of a crazy person, you know, And sometimes I
Speaker 4: think it really does come from outside of the person themselves.
Speaker 4: That's the paranormal aspect to me. Like, where does it
Speaker 4: really come from? You know, people talk about downloads or whatever,
Speaker 4: is the person? Is it the person or is it
Speaker 4: like they've opened themselves up to something.
Speaker 5: Well, if you look at how I kind of if
Speaker 5: you look at the world the way I do, I
Speaker 5: would say that would fit right into it, because I
Speaker 5: think consciousness is pretty much everything in existence, and our
Speaker 5: brain or whatever you want to call our system in
Speaker 5: our body that does the thinking. I mean, there's more
Speaker 5: and more evidence all the time coming out that it's
Speaker 5: not just your brain that consciousness comes from. But anyway,
Speaker 5: the human body is an antenna that kind of breaks
Speaker 5: off a piece of that consciousness and isolates it. Now,
Speaker 5: maybe some people's antennas are a little bent, or maybe
Speaker 5: they're turned in a different direction that they're picking up
Speaker 5: some of those extra channels.
Speaker 4: Right, It's like, why do homeless people how are they
Speaker 4: able to wear a long sleeve shirt on one hundred
Speaker 4: degree day? Why are homeless people able to you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You think that makes them mentally ill?
Speaker 4: It makes them supernatural? Okay, well, yeah, you pass a
Speaker 4: homeless person on one hundred degree day wearing a fucking
Speaker 4: long sleeve shirt in fucking jeans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talk about all the time, and I think
Speaker 5: that's more to do with living outside and what you're living. No, seriously,
Speaker 5: I mean there's people that live out in the woods
Speaker 5: and they dress like that no matter how hot it is.
Speaker 5: I mean I know a lot of people like that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like you pass a homeless guy's like,
Speaker 4: how do you have flee sa on right now?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: It's like they're not even existing on our same plane
Speaker 4: of reality.
Speaker 5: Well, you know that guy that you alluded to in
Speaker 5: the beginning of episode one, you were talking about the
Speaker 5: homeless guy, the one that inspired this series because our
Speaker 5: whole conversation started around him. But he was a guy
Speaker 5: that was notorious around Ashland, Oregon, and it didn't matter temperature,
Speaker 5: time of year, he always had on the same winter coat.
Speaker 4: And tell me that's not paranormal to you.
Speaker 5: Supernatural, I think you could condition your body to do
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 4: Especially if you got like a host of demon spirits
Speaker 4: living in you.
Speaker 5: All right, So yeah, if do you want to get
Speaker 5: into asylum, because it is to me one of those
Speaker 5: seasons of a show that just kind of throws everything
Speaker 5: that I'm interested in. I mean, not so much the
Speaker 5: alien aspect of the show. And for those of you
Speaker 5: who haven't seen it, I mean, I do imagine there'll
Speaker 5: be spoilers.
Speaker 4: If if anybody listening to this hasn't watched it, you're
Speaker 4: gonna want to by the end of this conversation. But yeah, spoilers,
Speaker 4: because I'm gonna we're gonna talk about it all.
Speaker 5: There's no God, not God. WoT the things I saw?
Speaker 5: Monsters a heal.
Speaker 2: My editor knows.
Speaker 4: I came here to write a story, and boy do
Speaker 4: I have a great scoop for him. Now, you gonta
Speaker 4: get out of here. With or without you, we could
Speaker 4: help each other.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, Light, You don't belong here. I believe
Speaker 5: I can help you. Julius, right about you, you're a monster.
Speaker 6: Why do you look for the speck of sawdust in
Speaker 6: your brother's eye?
Speaker 5: Pay no attention to the plank.
Speaker 6: In your own Devil doesn't reside in him, mister Walker,
Speaker 6: He lives right here inside those beautiful grains.
Speaker 7: Just remember, if you look in the face of evil,
Speaker 7: Evil's gonna look right back at you.
Speaker 5: Well. The whole thing starts with an alien abduction slash
Speaker 5: encounter that one of the main characters goes through he's
Speaker 5: part of an interracial couple in what like the late fifties.
Speaker 5: When was this supposed to be taking place?
Speaker 4: Fifties?
Speaker 5: Oh, it says sixty four.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 5: This character experiences an alien abduction and he gets linked
Speaker 5: in with this serial killer that's ravaging the what northeast
Speaker 5: portion of the country, and he's known to skin people
Speaker 5: live and has some kind of mother infatuation. But it
Speaker 5: ends up being that should we just say.
Speaker 4: It, Well, yeah, you can just say it.
Speaker 5: I mean, one of the head shrinks that works in
Speaker 5: tandem with the psych word is not I wouldn't say he.
Speaker 5: I think he comes off as a really good guy
Speaker 5: for the first few episodes, and then you kind of
Speaker 5: see he's really wanting this other character to confess to
Speaker 5: being this person. He even kind of conditions him in
Speaker 5: a way, and then it just kind of unfolds into
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of other stuff. The aspects of the
Speaker 5: asylum in it are really noteworthy. It's just everything we've
Speaker 5: talked about, and then with some Nazi shit thrown in.
Speaker 4: It, right, I was gonna say to it to really
Speaker 4: encompass everything, they're serial killers.
Speaker 5: Psychiatrists, a paper clip, fucking guy doing experiments.
Speaker 4: Fucking Nazi guy doing experiments in the basement.
Speaker 5: On insane on patient.
Speaker 4: On insane patience. He actually does a little botomy on someone.
Speaker 5: The kind that you were talking, the Walter kind, the
Speaker 5: Walter method.
Speaker 4: It's got paranormal, spiritual, there's a demon possession.
Speaker 5: There is m K.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, they do this inversion therapy to try
Speaker 4: to cure gayness, where you have to jack a dude's
Speaker 4: dick off and then puke in a bucket. I mean
Speaker 4: it literally happens first.
Speaker 5: It's it's almost like, uh, clockwork Orange, which that older
Speaker 5: eyes open. That would be an honorable mention that we'll
Speaker 5: probably at least discuss. But I would say that the
Speaker 5: way they made her sick while she was watching stuff
Speaker 5: that she enjoyed and and Clockwork Orange, it was ultra violence.
Speaker 5: They were showing him, you know, footage of the kind
Speaker 5: of crimes that he got pleasure from, much as what
Speaker 5: they do with what's her name, what they do with
Speaker 5: Lana Banana. They show her lesbian porn and give her
Speaker 5: something to induce like really insane amounts of nausea. And yeah,
Speaker 5: there's all sorts of stuff in there, and you get
Speaker 5: generational trauma with the the serial killer, Bloody Face's son,
Speaker 5: who he.
Speaker 4: Is a psychiatrist. What do you mean bloody Face is
Speaker 4: a psychiatry right? But the Sun, No, the Sun's just retard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, And we won't spoil everything, but I
Speaker 5: would just say that for me wrapping it up, I
Speaker 5: think you probably have a lot more to say. I
Speaker 5: would just say it was a pretty good conspiratorial And
Speaker 5: I was telling Julia, if they would have thought of
Speaker 5: the name conspirasylum like we did, it would have been
Speaker 5: in a goddamn good name because every conspiracy that you
Speaker 5: could think of, it's like, you know, not all of them,
Speaker 5: but a good majority of them, big majority of tight
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the first time I watched that season, I
Speaker 4: was like, ah, fuck, it's a mental asylum, fucking season.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna like it because it just triggers me
Speaker 4: when I watch stuff like that. And I watched it
Speaker 4: maybe three times on my own. This is probably the
Speaker 4: fourth time I've watched it all the way through. And
Speaker 4: if you if you're watching it looking for the conspiratorial
Speaker 4: stuff and not just trying to enjoy it as a show,
Speaker 4: there is a lot in there and even the uh
Speaker 4: the Nazi guy doctor yeah, Doctor Arden.
Speaker 5: They plaid by the guy that says, pig, let's go.
Speaker 5: The guy from Big and Green Mile.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say to me, he's the guy from
Speaker 4: Green Mile and always will be.
Speaker 5: Is his name? James Cromwell, the actor. He did a
Speaker 5: goddamn good job. Yeah, that's him anyway. Sorry to cut you.
Speaker 4: Off, but uh, they use the term project paper clip.
Speaker 5: They actually do say it at one point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's truly say it. I don't know
Speaker 4: a whole lot about the guys who write this stuff
Speaker 4: for American Horror Story. I knew that they knew something
Speaker 4: when I watched season one Murder House because of the
Speaker 4: amount of shit that they put in there that it's like,
Speaker 4: how do they know that?
Speaker 5: Well, that's one thing about every American Horror Story season.
Speaker 5: It's just too fucking on the nose with it's so much,
Speaker 5: and it's like the stuff that used to be more
Speaker 5: taboo to talk about, and then once it has slipped
Speaker 5: into the conspiracies. I guist whoever is influencing these bigger
Speaker 5: shows that are just shoved down our throats. Even American
Speaker 5: Horse Story followed Glee. These two dudes made Glee, which
Speaker 5: is not anything I've ever set through more than thirty
Speaker 5: seconds at a time, maybe walking through a room, but
Speaker 5: as far as I know, it's like a musical and
Speaker 5: a kind of a high school set. He never fucking
Speaker 5: watched that, No, but yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'm obsessed with American horror Story. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 5: Yeah? But it's their world's apart and these What I'm
Speaker 5: saying is these guys struck gold with this Glee show,
Speaker 5: and then the next thing they do is American horse Story,
Speaker 5: and it's just like, how the fuck did you go
Speaker 5: from that to that? I mean, once you get that
Speaker 5: mainstream success and then you're making this heavily conspiracy laden
Speaker 5: series about every fucking season is a whole new story,
Speaker 5: and it's just I mean, by the time you get
Speaker 5: to the one with Lady Gaga Hotel, Yeah, it's just like,
Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, what are they not going to say with you?
Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say, is like when I
Speaker 4: watch Murder House, I was like, well, what the fuck
Speaker 4: because they put so much stuff in there? And then
Speaker 4: when I watched Asylum this last time, it's like, why
Speaker 4: don't they just come out and spell it for you.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's that much in Kevin, but
Speaker 4: it is my favorite season. Anyways. I was gonna say,
Speaker 4: close to the end of Asylum, the one chick is
Speaker 4: talking about, Oh, they're gonna make a movie based on
Speaker 4: my documentary or my book or whatever, and she said
Speaker 4: she wants Tuesday Well to play her. Did that not
Speaker 4: seem random to you?
Speaker 5: Did it seem random? Yeah to you, No, not after
Speaker 5: listening you talk about Tuesday Well, if you didn't know.
Speaker 4: Who she was and you just heard that name who
Speaker 4: that was?
Speaker 5: Not if you didn't know, I mean, how many people
Speaker 5: have either dove down the Tuesday Weld rabbit hole or
Speaker 5: had the privilege of marrying somebody who did. I don't
Speaker 5: honestly know. If it wasn't for you, if she's ever
Speaker 5: somebody I would have looked into. I mean, yeah, she
Speaker 5: turns up in all of these weird places that you
Speaker 5: can see in daylight. But I never would have thought, well,
Speaker 5: let's connect those dots like you did. So, yeah, it
Speaker 5: would seem random to nine out of ten people watching this.
Speaker 4: Well, for me, it was like, of all the people
Speaker 4: she could have said to play her.
Speaker 5: And if it weren't, if it was just some conspiracy candy.
Speaker 5: They could have said like Marilyn Monroe or something, but
Speaker 5: she would have been dead by then though, right, she
Speaker 5: died in sixty two.
Speaker 4: Maybe she literally could have said any of the popular Tuesday.
Speaker 5: Well was not like she's not a starlet like a
Speaker 5: lot of like she could have said. It would have
Speaker 5: been like today if she would have said, I want
Speaker 5: to get played by who I don't know, like a
Speaker 5: third rate actress Rihanna.
Speaker 4: Well, no, she's oh you're saying if she like an
Speaker 4: example of day World. Oh, it would be like literally saying, uh,
Speaker 4: Lily Raby is.
Speaker 5: Just play Lily Raby.
Speaker 4: I don't even know how to say her last name.
Speaker 5: Well that for people, that's that's the actress that portrayed
Speaker 5: Sister Mary Eunice in this Asylum too. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 5: we're going off on a Tuesday World tangent. But it
Speaker 5: is a good point because, yeah, your hackles go up
Speaker 5: once you've done some Laurel Canyon slash Tuesday World research
Speaker 5: that they would have picked that name. But I mean,
Speaker 5: there's so much in this there.
Speaker 4: Also, when she goes back to the asylum and she's
Speaker 4: got like that film crew with her. She says, verbatim
Speaker 4: a line from the Heraldo.
Speaker 5: Rivera expos Right, and she so this uh Atlanta character,
Speaker 5: Lanta Winters, who by the end of the series is
Speaker 5: a cutthroat author who has lied her way to infamy
Speaker 5: as this victim, this survivor. You know, she was almost
Speaker 5: one of a Bloody Face's victims, was raped and impregnated.
Speaker 5: Now has the sun on her ass and she just
Speaker 5: she turns into this cutthroat bitch. And when she started,
Speaker 5: it was almost like she was based on that woman
Speaker 5: we talked about who was the undercover reporter.
Speaker 4: Right. You could tell they did some not some, but
Speaker 4: they did research into like real life scenarios to like
Speaker 4: include them into this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it would be interesting to see like what
Speaker 5: exactly she is based on, because she is an amalgamation
Speaker 5: of many things. Like you said, she's even spouting Geraldo
Speaker 5: Rivera lines.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's all I had for asylum. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's all in there, literally the supernatural aspect of the
Speaker 4: Paranormal Extraterrestrial MK Ultra project paper clip. It's based in
Speaker 4: the Laurel Canyon era. I mean, it's got everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is at first I thought it was
Speaker 5: upstate New York. But it's not. They said at one point,
Speaker 5: the state of such and such absorb because it goes
Speaker 5: from being a Catholic run institute to by the time
Speaker 5: you know the show's about wrapped up, the state steps
Speaker 5: in and it just becomes this fucking violin cabinet for
Speaker 5: the dregs of society. And yeah, anyway, it's I think
Speaker 5: it's the best season. I think that as far as this,
Speaker 5: all of them, I've always said it was my favorite.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I'm glad you're re watching Murder House.
Speaker 5: I like Murder House. It's it's more up your alley
Speaker 5: because of your interests, and I would say season two
Speaker 5: is more up my alley. But they're both great. Coven
Speaker 5: to me was my favorite seed kind of like watching
Speaker 5: almost like Twilight or something.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to sell you on Coven because I
Speaker 4: feel like it's targeted towards women to enjoy.
Speaker 5: Okay, but there's a lot of very sexist.
Speaker 4: Well, there is a lot of like what I would
Speaker 4: consider to be true stuff mixed with a little bit
Speaker 4: of fantasy stuff.
Speaker 5: It's got all sorts, all right, Well, we don't need
Speaker 5: to argue in front of everybody about our favorite American
Speaker 5: horse story series.
Speaker 4: I have decided to either open or close this episode
Speaker 4: with Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They play that shit on loop. This French mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Whatever kind of music you would call that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's it's iconic.
Speaker 5: Maybe French pop music of the bitties. Who knows.
Speaker 4: If you're listening to it, you belong at Briarcliff.
Speaker 5: All right, let's get into the movies. You first, No,
Speaker 5: you're going first, because we just want going. It's we're
Speaker 5: going in. So we we had a little draft pick
Speaker 5: and we're just gonna go in the order that they
Speaker 5: were picked.
Speaker 4: Okay, what was my first pick?
Speaker 5: The one, the one that is the freshest on both
Speaker 5: of our minds. We literally wrapped up that movie right
Speaker 5: before stepping into the recording room. In nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 5: The Wild Ones went to Woodstock, The Unlucky Ones went
Speaker 5: to war.
Speaker 2: There's something happened.
Speaker 5: But if you didn't know where you were going, you have.
Speaker 4: The distinction of being the only scene of not going
Speaker 4: on to college. I don't have a plan. I just
Speaker 4: don't want to end up like my mother Susanna Wis.
Speaker 5: They said you to Claymore.
Speaker 2: The best place in the world for someone like you
Speaker 2: is less than a half an hour from my heart.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Claymore's an.
Speaker 8: I guess I'm puzzled as to why it does I
Speaker 8: have to be in a mental institution.
Speaker 4: Call me a cab.
Speaker 5: Okay, you're a cab. You've chased a bottle of aspirin,
Speaker 5: the bottle of vodka. I had a headache.
Speaker 4: But the one step. Now jam this in my order. Listen,
Speaker 4: your a order is in your chest. Good to know.
Speaker 2: What that has?
Speaker 4: This leads, Oh, I don't I don't need them.
Speaker 5: I'm going to have a problem.
Speaker 7: Look at.
Speaker 9: Is there something about sex which lifts your feelings of despair?
Speaker 4: Have you ever had sex highs and lows? Increasingly through year?
Speaker 4: Lisa think she's hot because she's such a.
Speaker 8: Bad I'm asociat know what you're gay?
Speaker 1: Uncertainty about goals and a generally pessimistic attitude are often observed.
Speaker 4: That's me, that's everybody. Well, this will be something that
Speaker 4: if you're a long time listener to my show, you've
Speaker 4: already heard me talk about in the Wizard of Oz episode,
Speaker 4: and a lot of people ask me to cover the
Speaker 4: Wizard of Oz stuff on their show. But it's been
Speaker 4: so long since I recorded that episode, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of I would actually have to go back and listen
Speaker 4: to my Wizard of Oz. I put so much stuff
Speaker 4: in there that I mean, it was like a I
Speaker 4: don't know, it was way over an hour of random
Speaker 4: stuff about Wizard of Oz. But Girl Interrupted ended up
Speaker 4: being a big part of it. Well, I will just
Speaker 4: ask you if you got anything out of it before
Speaker 4: I go on my big tangent.
Speaker 5: I'll just I'll let you dominate this one, because I
Speaker 5: wouldn't say I'm a huge fan of the movie even
Speaker 5: while rewatching it years years later. I mean, we're talking
Speaker 5: about half my lifetime ago that I saw this over half,
Speaker 5: and I think that it it's kind of like a
Speaker 5: moody time piece with some stuff thrown in there. As
Speaker 5: far as the mental institution that the plot circles around,
Speaker 5: it's it's like a Whoopi Goldberg, who plays the what
Speaker 5: would you call her? She's not a nurse, she's like that,
Speaker 5: she's like basically whatever. She's the nurse ratchet of this place.
Speaker 4: She's so nice though, Yeah, and she's not like a
Speaker 4: nurse ratchet.
Speaker 5: Everybody calls her the inward and she just lets it
Speaker 5: slide off her back like there are Milk Gibson doing
Speaker 5: it and uh she she's a good character, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of holds the movie together. You get to see
Speaker 5: Angelina Jolie at her craziest, she's basically just playing herself.
Speaker 5: And then you get to see some of these other
Speaker 5: smaller time actors for the time of you know, Britney Murphy,
Speaker 5: Clea Deval and the acting is amazing. The story is
Speaker 5: good and I didn't know this, but I thought it
Speaker 5: might be the case it's based It's based on a
Speaker 5: real story. Susanna Caseon's a real person. Did you know that?
Speaker 4: Uh No, But that's not got anything to do with
Speaker 4: what they did with the movie. I promise you.
Speaker 5: I think I'm telling you my thoughts and then you're
Speaker 5: gonna go on your big tangent.
Speaker 4: But saying I'm just saying they can take something like
Speaker 4: this like it was a real girl and yeah, they
Speaker 4: made a story about her life, and they would.
Speaker 5: Well, it's the scripts based on the memoir, so it's
Speaker 5: a real story. Which is the only point I was
Speaker 5: making was it seemed like it was a biographical type
Speaker 5: movie when I watched it.
Speaker 4: But this time it's stuff in to make it not
Speaker 4: une of.
Speaker 5: Course, but the just this is just the setup. And
Speaker 5: my whole point was if you want to see like
Speaker 5: gnarly treatment of patience and an insane asylum like you'll
Speaker 5: see in American horror story Asylum, this movie is more
Speaker 5: of just like a story. But yeah, it's it's interlaced
Speaker 5: with all sorts of stuff that Julia is going to
Speaker 5: talk about. But on its face, I wouldn't say it's
Speaker 5: a great movie. I would.
Speaker 4: I mean, I only now appreciate it because of my
Speaker 4: conspiracy mind. So in my opinion, one of the first
Speaker 4: movies ever created that was just an entire mkol for
Speaker 4: a project was Wizard of Oz. Right, I think that
Speaker 4: this movie is just paying homage to MK ultra through
Speaker 4: references to the Wizard of Oz. And it's actually throughout
Speaker 4: the entire movie. I don't know if it was in
Speaker 4: a memoir or not. It would be odd if it was,
Speaker 4: but they had they snuck so many Wizard of Oz
Speaker 4: references into this movie.
Speaker 5: Well, and they're not even snuck, they're very blatant. It's
Speaker 5: from the very first scene where Susannah played by wine
Speaker 5: owner writer walks into it. There's ship laid all over
Speaker 5: the bed right of one of the patients.
Speaker 4: Yes, her roommate is obsessed with reading the OZ books.
Speaker 4: But think about this, right, Britney Murphy's cat's name.
Speaker 5: Ruby, right, it's a her once you pay attention to
Speaker 5: how often it shows up and then you see the
Speaker 5: cat's names Ruby, I would I would think that one
Speaker 5: would be obvious to most people. Maybe not well.
Speaker 4: And also yellow brick road, right, Britney Murphy, She's in
Speaker 4: all yellow kitchens, all yellow.
Speaker 5: And then well, even when they sneak down into the tunnel,
Speaker 5: that shit's lit in like a yellow hue.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. And again, for people who have listened to
Speaker 4: my podcast for a very long time, you can go
Speaker 4: back and find this episode that I did all about
Speaker 4: the Wizard of Oz, where I show you how it
Speaker 4: was maybe the first because it was in technicolor. You
Speaker 4: remember it was like the first anyways, much like Alice
Speaker 4: in Wonderland, Wizard of Oz is just a big MK experiment.
Speaker 4: And there are so many references in this movie about
Speaker 4: mental illness to Wizard of Oz. It's almost like they're
Speaker 4: telling you without telling you. Mental illness and MK mind
Speaker 4: control stuff are one and the same. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: Well, they do go hand in hand.
Speaker 4: Her roommate's obsessed with Wizard of Oz. She's got all
Speaker 4: the books out.
Speaker 5: There's the play the scene. Yeah, they play the scene
Speaker 5: with the it.
Speaker 4: Is all the dream I'm leaving, bye bye.
Speaker 5: Everybody's crying.
Speaker 4: In the last scene where she's saying goodbye to her roommate.
Speaker 4: They even have her in like a Dorothy esque looking
Speaker 4: like pull over dress thing with the shirt on underneath
Speaker 4: of it. Yeah, and I think that it's just another
Speaker 4: I have found Wizard of Oz references in a ton
Speaker 4: of movies that are There's a ton of Wizard of
Speaker 4: Oz references in The Shining too.
Speaker 5: It's latent in pop culture for sure. I mean it
Speaker 5: turns up all over the place.
Speaker 4: But I feel like when you see it, it's a signal.
Speaker 5: Right. Even the song Somewhere Over the Rainbow is a
Speaker 5: well known trigger. Like these programmed people in Hollywood have talked.
Speaker 4: About that it's like through the looking glass. So when
Speaker 4: for me, this movie, regardless of if it's based on
Speaker 4: a true story or not, what they did when they
Speaker 4: created the movie was sneak a bunch of stuff in there.
Speaker 4: If you want all of the examples. You can go
Speaker 4: back and find my Wizard of Oz episode and listen
Speaker 4: to all of it. Because I talk about the shining,
Speaker 4: I talk about girl interrupted, I talk about a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff. But yeah, that to me was something that
Speaker 4: stuck out and I went back and rewatched it, and
Speaker 4: it's like when she goes to order ice cream and
Speaker 4: she says that she wants rainbow sprinkles, not chocolate, she
Speaker 4: like makes that kind of you.
Speaker 5: Know, Yeah, the girls get taken out for an ice
Speaker 5: cream and everything goes to shit, but she's seducing the
Speaker 5: young man at the counter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, it was just like one of those
Speaker 4: things where they've already put a bunch of Wizard of
Speaker 4: Oz stuff and then when they go get ice cream,
Speaker 4: she's like rainbow not chocolate. Like she makes a point
Speaker 4: to say, there's just little stuff sprinkled.
Speaker 5: Well, what would you say? Obviously, Susannah would be Dorothy
Speaker 5: uh Lisa portrayed by Angelina. She would be the one
Speaker 5: without a heart. She's constantly I think she.
Speaker 4: Would be the Wicked Witch of the West, No, or
Speaker 4: maybe even Glinda.
Speaker 5: She has no heart, but.
Speaker 4: The Scarecrow gains a heart and she doesn't.
Speaker 5: Is it the tin man that doesn't have a heart,
Speaker 5: Scarecrow doesn't have a brain.
Speaker 4: Scarecrow doesn't have a brain.
Speaker 5: And obviously the compulsive liar, she lacks courage. I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know. This analysis is just being pulled out
Speaker 5: of my ass. I'm really not standing by handing any
Speaker 5: of this, Babs.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're on the right track. I think that
Speaker 4: they're literally trying to to tell the Wizard of Oz
Speaker 4: story through m K through this person's memoir.
Speaker 5: So who would be the wizard telling you to look
Speaker 5: behind the curtain? Would that be the don't you?
Speaker 4: She called her the Great and Wonderful Doctor Wick.
Speaker 5: As if Wick Wizard's where's the Gomatria charts in Wizard.
Speaker 4: Of Oz, he's called the Great and Wonderful Oz and
Speaker 4: she calls her the Great and Wonderful doctor Wick. So
Speaker 4: there's literally a million references to the Wizard of Oz
Speaker 4: and that, oh for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all over the place.
Speaker 4: So doctor Wick is the Wizard. I think Woopy Goldberg
Speaker 4: could be Glinda.
Speaker 5: Who's Toto Ruby?
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, what not?
Speaker 5: Who is the lady with the burns on her faces?
Speaker 5: I mean, you get a whole ridge in these are
Speaker 5: like people that probably came from well off families. What
Speaker 5: he calls it a four star resort or a five
Speaker 5: star resort compared to some of the state hospitals she's
Speaker 5: worked out. But you get people in there who have
Speaker 5: tried to commit suicide, people with eating disorders, and it's
Speaker 5: it's you know, not co ed.
Speaker 4: It's really strictly he's getting raped by her dad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Angelina tells her that she liked it, so
Speaker 5: she killed herself. I mean, there's some moments in this
Speaker 5: movie where I'm thinking they're definitely paying some homage to
Speaker 5: Once Flew Over the Cuckoo's Net.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she would be more of the RP. McMurtry
Speaker 5: or is it McMurtry or McMurphy, McMurphy, McMurphy, it would
Speaker 5: be I think Angelina would be Jack Nicholson. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Which.
Speaker 4: We'll get to that one. Don't worry, that's gonna that's
Speaker 4: the last one on my list to talk about it.
Speaker 5: I think it might be the last one we talked about.
Speaker 5: Well we can move on then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but just saying do you see, I mean I'm
Speaker 4: not stretched in here, right, you see what I'm talking
Speaker 4: about with the of course.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, no, definitely, it's could you.
Speaker 4: Appreciate the movie a little bit differently with that in mind?
Speaker 5: I mean I had it in mind, oh when we
Speaker 5: watched it this time, because you kept pointing it out
Speaker 5: every time it came up. Yeah, so yeah, I'm talking
Speaker 5: about just as an overall cinematic experience. I just never
Speaker 5: even when I watched it when it first came out,
Speaker 5: I just never thought it was like a five star movie.
Speaker 4: Since we're on just the second one right now, I
Speaker 4: do think we should end it with one to ten kops.
Speaker 5: I'd give Girl Interrupted six kicks out of.
Speaker 4: Ten, American Horror Story.
Speaker 5: Asylum eleven out of ten.
Speaker 4: I'm giving American.
Speaker 5: I'm allowed to give it an eleven out of ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll do ten out of ten kicks for Asylum.
Speaker 5: But you tell me I'm crazy for that being my
Speaker 5: favorite series you're giving anything.
Speaker 4: I'm not rating it based on the other the other seasons.
Speaker 4: I'm just rating.
Speaker 5: So it's got a perfect rating.
Speaker 4: So you an Covin has twenty out of.
Speaker 5: Tin, can't go above eleven like spinal Taps.
Speaker 4: It's eleven Girl Interrupted just for the weird MK Wizard
Speaker 4: of our stuff. I'm gonna give it seven out of
Speaker 4: ten kokes.
Speaker 5: Oh so it's you're only slightly higher than my rating.
Speaker 5: I was expecting you to do a higher one. All right, Well,
Speaker 5: next up, we have my first pick, which is fight Club.
Speaker 5: I want you to hit me as hard as you can. Why.
Speaker 5: How much can you know about yourself? You've never been
Speaker 5: in a fight. Wait, let me start earlier. Like many
Speaker 5: of you, I was stuck. You want me to deprioritize
Speaker 5: my current reports. Yeah, until you guys a status upgrade.
Speaker 2: Make these your primary reaction items.
Speaker 5: I couldn't sleep, No, you can't die.
Speaker 10: Form inso oniah up.
Speaker 5: Through catalogs and wonder what kind of dining set defines
Speaker 5: me as a person. This is your life and it's
Speaker 5: ending one minute at a time. I prayed for a
Speaker 5: different life.
Speaker 2: Soap.
Speaker 4: I make the soapd and.
Speaker 5: This is how I'm met Tyler dirty.
Speaker 2: Come on, hit before I lose my nerve.
Speaker 4: Wow, hit me in the ear.
Speaker 5: It was on the tip of everyone's tongue.
Speaker 2: Can I be next?
Speaker 5: We just gave it a name, gentlemen, Welcome to fight Club.
Speaker 5: I would say it's always working its way in and
Speaker 5: out of my top five favorite movies. And it's also
Speaker 5: based on a novel, which the novel isn't that good
Speaker 5: of a book. It's almost like Chuck Paul and Nook,
Speaker 5: the author of Fight Club, writes books that would make
Speaker 5: really good films in the right hand. But there's only
Speaker 5: been two that I know of. Choke was the other
Speaker 5: one that wasn't good, but fight Club for the nineties
Speaker 5: was it was almost like watching the Matrix whoa and
Speaker 5: they took an old trope, you know, oh, this guy's
Speaker 5: actually the same person as this guy, and put a
Speaker 5: new twist on it. But the movie really does explore
Speaker 5: mental illness from like this macabre kind of And I
Speaker 5: always said that David Lyncher, he almost feels industrial, like
Speaker 5: that that genre of music. Which is funny too, because
Speaker 5: Trent Reznor ended up being the guy that scores all
Speaker 5: his movies. But he's got this, like, you know, seven
Speaker 5: fight Club. He's done some lighter movies, but most of
Speaker 5: the time you just feel like you're rolling around in
Speaker 5: a gutter. When you watch a David Fincher movie and
Speaker 5: Fight Club, you're definitely in a fucking gutter. It's like
Speaker 5: that dark gutter in everybody's mind. This main character Edward
Speaker 5: Norton just kind of rolls with it and programs himself
Speaker 5: to believe that he's two different people. And it was
Speaker 5: one of those like sixth sense kind of twists ending
Speaker 5: where you just left the theater shaking your head, almost
Speaker 5: wanting to go right back in and watch it all
Speaker 5: over again. But for me, it just shows like this
Speaker 5: character breaking down, and as he breaks down throughout the movie,
Speaker 5: the hints that he is the Tyler Durden Brad Pitt character.
Speaker 5: I just think it's a genius way of like looking
Speaker 5: at the darker side of a psyche and like what
Speaker 5: a torment in mind could do if they just rolled
Speaker 5: with this idea. I mean, you can go into a
Speaker 5: CIA back room and be programmed to think all sorts
Speaker 5: of shit, but maybe some people could just do it
Speaker 5: to themselves.
Speaker 4: Do you ever wish you could go back and watch
Speaker 4: something for the first time?
Speaker 5: Uh? Not really. I think that one of the things
Speaker 5: I enjoy is watching a movie that I've already seen
Speaker 5: that I think is amazing with somebody like you, and
Speaker 5: you get to like see it vicariously, like it's almost fresh.
Speaker 5: But once I've seen a movie that blows my mind,
Speaker 5: I just want to watch it for the second time again,
Speaker 5: like really, oh yeah, because you get this like bomb
Speaker 5: go off in your head with some of these films,
Speaker 5: and then when you go back with already the you know,
Speaker 5: the foreknoledge of what is going to be the end
Speaker 5: of this movie that blew your mind, then you can
Speaker 5: start like dissecting it all the hints, all the different
Speaker 5: things you missed the first time.
Speaker 4: You never get jealous when you watch stuff like that
Speaker 4: with me and I've only I'm seeing it for the
Speaker 4: first time, and you're jealous. Yeah, because like sometimes I
Speaker 4: wish I could go back and like watch something for
Speaker 4: the first time and like get that feeling of the
Speaker 4: first time I watched it.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what if that eternal sunshine of the
Speaker 5: Spotless Mind technology was really you could just erase the
Speaker 5: memory where you saw this movie. Well, no, you're not
Speaker 5: like erasing it, No, but would you do it if
Speaker 5: like you could just Okay, well, I'm giving your ways.
Speaker 4: Here, anybody to fuck with my mind. I'm just saying
Speaker 4: when you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm letting someone hypnotize you or letting someone put
Speaker 5: you under for some weird shit to your head. It's
Speaker 5: just fun.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, because.
Speaker 5: Maybe with neural ink you could do this.
Speaker 4: No, thank you. Uh, that was the first time I
Speaker 4: had watched Fight Club.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've only seen it once, and I was not.
Speaker 4: You're saying that there's little clues that he ended up
Speaker 4: being I saw no clues. I was so convinced because
Speaker 4: you're watching that Pitt was a separate person and was
Speaker 4: not for you said, there's like clues that, oh, you
Speaker 4: start putting it together that they're the same person. Not
Speaker 4: all right, well I did not.
Speaker 5: You will watch it, maybe I'm retarded. We'll watch it
Speaker 5: again within the next few months, and I will pause
Speaker 5: it and show you every hint and you'll start to go,
Speaker 5: holy shit, they're everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But that's why I said, do you ever wish you
Speaker 4: could watch something for the first time again? Because I'm
Speaker 4: telling you it's not that obvious.
Speaker 5: It's not obvious the first time you watch. That's the
Speaker 5: beauty of it.
Speaker 4: And actually I came to you weeks later trying to
Speaker 4: find fucking plot holes because I was like, but wait
Speaker 4: a minute, Well, when.
Speaker 5: You get into a movie where you're dealing with like
Speaker 5: a story through the perspective of somebody who's mentally ill,
Speaker 5: plot holes can be all over the place, but I
Speaker 5: really don't think Fight Club has any.
Speaker 4: Well, no, that's why I brought it to you because
Speaker 4: I was like, wait a second, if they're supposed to
Speaker 4: be the same person, what about da da da da da?
Speaker 4: And you were like no, because but anyways, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: just was curious sometimes that when I'm showing you a
Speaker 4: movie for the first time, I'll be like, I wonder
Speaker 4: what he's thinking, like because I remember the first time
Speaker 4: I watched it and loving it, or like feeling a
Speaker 4: certain way, you know, like the first time I watched
Speaker 4: Terry Potter Best Day Ever.
Speaker 5: Is not your favorite movie, no, but it was.
Speaker 4: So magical for me because I had read all the
Speaker 4: books and then it was like it were added to life.
Speaker 5: And how old were you when you so you were
Speaker 5: the exact right aids for that because it starts at
Speaker 5: a third grade reading level and then she upset so
Speaker 5: she can grow up, or so that the readers to
Speaker 5: the initial work can grow up with the characters.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So that ship came out when I was in high school,
Speaker 5: and I just don't have any bone in my body
Speaker 5: that's tickled by like straight up fantasy, even when it's
Speaker 5: ead when it's like, and I know this for a
Speaker 5: fact that she had access to all sorts of occultic
Speaker 5: information because she's not just guessing. And I think that
Speaker 5: aspect of it is interesting, Like who the fuck is
Speaker 5: this bitch? Now She's like in this very mainstream public
Speaker 5: outroar about being a transfebe and all her fucking you know,
Speaker 5: the people who all present company excluded, But most people
Speaker 5: who love Harry Potter and more of the costumes and
Speaker 5: waited in line to see the movies have purple hair,
Speaker 5: and they're all for that stuff. And well, you know,
Speaker 5: she's almost like a chaos agent.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that's it's interesting that you say that,
Speaker 4: because it's very true. I mean, I did wear costumes
Speaker 4: and go wait in line for midnight releases and stuff.
Speaker 5: People didn't grow out of that. You know, they're very
Speaker 5: they're very torn on whether they can get on board
Speaker 5: with the work of JK.
Speaker 4: And to bring it full circle, Harry Potter fans belatricks
Speaker 4: Lestrange is in Fight Club.
Speaker 5: Okay, who's the fuck's that?
Speaker 4: The chicky fucks?
Speaker 5: Oh we're talking Helen a bottom part.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh, and I would to me one of the biggest hints,
Speaker 5: and people who have seen Fight Club a number of
Speaker 5: times might have noticed this watching the actions of Edward
Speaker 5: Norton's character, who doesn't have a name by the way,
Speaker 5: is Tyler Durton you find out, but he just doesn't
Speaker 5: have a name through the whole movie, but watching her
Speaker 5: reaction to him when he's fucking her one minute and
Speaker 5: then telling her to leave, and you know, he's fucking
Speaker 5: her as Tyler Durton my house and she just like
Speaker 5: looks at him and she's in love with him, obviously,
Speaker 5: but she's also like putting up. But you watch this
Speaker 5: movie through her eyes and it's just like, you know,
Speaker 5: like she's just thrown off because he's watch he calls
Speaker 5: him doctor Jekyl and mister asshole at one point or
Speaker 5: something like that. But yeah, Fight Club, I, unless you
Speaker 5: have anything to say, I'll let you rate it first.
Speaker 4: Oh for mental illness, Yeah, I'm giving it ten out
Speaker 4: of ten.
Speaker 5: Kokes Kar well obviously me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I maybe if I get to the end of
Speaker 4: the movie and I'm genuinely shocked that's a ten out
Speaker 4: of ten. Coups also because it's like they got you going.
Speaker 5: It's also worth note that the conspiracy stuff that sprinkled it.
Speaker 5: In fight Club, you get to see Project Mayhem is
Speaker 5: legitimately based on many things that are real that we've
Speaker 5: seen in the last few years. Supposedly the movie or
Speaker 5: the book was supposed to take place in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four and like the all these collapses and you know,
Speaker 5: you get I mean, the book was written in the
Speaker 5: mid nineties and you hadn't seen a lot of stuff
Speaker 5: specific year. Well, he's written books since that. We're even
Speaker 5: more prophetic about where culture is going. And Chuck Paul
Speaker 5: Nook is somebody worth looking into. JJ Vance likes to
Speaker 5: talk about him and how you know. One thing to
Speaker 5: mention about him is he was part of the Cacophony Society,
Speaker 5: which has probably got CIA roots. If you really look
Speaker 5: into it, it looks a lot like co Intel.
Speaker 4: Pre JJ has talked about Fight Club before too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've talked about it when we were talking about
Speaker 5: other things and it's come up.
Speaker 4: It's a great example of many things. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 4: if they sold it, I would definitely buy the soap.
Speaker 4: Got it No like the real soap. Oh take fat
Speaker 4: siphoned off fat ladies asses and make it into soap no,
Speaker 4: you know, definitely by it because that is true what
Speaker 4: they said in the movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I can appreciate this aspect of it. Maybe
Speaker 5: a lot of people who listen to my show might
Speaker 5: have heard, but I don't know if I've mentioned it
Speaker 5: on here. I make soap for a living, And when
Speaker 5: they steal fat from the lipel section clinic and then
Speaker 5: with an ironic twist, sell these rich women they're on
Speaker 5: fat asses back to them and these exquisite bars of soap.
Speaker 5: It's one of the best scenes too, when they're in
Speaker 5: the department store and he's leaning against the counter and
Speaker 5: he's freeballing it and his dressed pants are like down
Speaker 5: below his dick root. I mean to me, this is
Speaker 5: the greatest role Brad Pitt has ever had. Oh it's
Speaker 5: not Benjamin, but no another Fincher pit Croak collaboration, I am.
Speaker 5: I will say as a side known, I'm excited about
Speaker 5: the spinoff slash maybe sequel two. Once upon a time
Speaker 5: in Hollywood that Quentin Tarantino ended up bagging because he's
Speaker 5: only making one more movie and he decided to go
Speaker 5: with something else. But Brad Pitt was so attached to
Speaker 5: this that David Fincher was allowed to pick it up,
Speaker 5: so I think it might be a Netflix thing. But
Speaker 5: if you guys are Brad Pitt slash Fincher fans, and
Speaker 5: it's probably going to be at least executively produced by Tarantino.
Speaker 5: He'll be a consultant. But the script was apparently mostly
Speaker 5: already written, and hopefully we'll see at least a cameo
Speaker 5: with Rick Dalton.
Speaker 4: I would love to see it, all.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, Rambling's aside. Yeah, my second pick was Donnie Darko.
Speaker 11: It was as though this plan had been with him
Speaker 11: all his life, pondered through the seasons, now in his
Speaker 11: fifteenth year, crystallized with the pain of puberty.
Speaker 2: So why'd you move here?
Speaker 12: My mom had to get a restraining order against my stepdad.
Speaker 2: He has emotional problems. Oh I have those two.
Speaker 5: What kind of emotional problems are to a man new friend?
Speaker 2: Real or imaginary? Donnie imaginary.
Speaker 8: I'm going to tell you a little story today about
Speaker 8: a young man whose life was completely destroyed by these
Speaker 8: instruments of fear.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen stuff.
Speaker 7: Donnie is experiencing what is commonly called a daylight hallucination.
Speaker 5: I have to obey him. He's saved my life. Have
Speaker 5: you ever seen a portle? Has he ever told you
Speaker 5: about his friend Frank? The giant bunny rabbit?
Speaker 2: The what.
Speaker 4: Every living thing follows along set path? And if you
Speaker 4: could see your path or channel, then you could see
Speaker 4: into the future.
Speaker 5: Right, I'm not going to be able to continue this conversation.
Speaker 2: Don't worry.
Speaker 5: You got away with it.
Speaker 4: What is going to happen?
Speaker 3: I only have a few days left before they catch me.
Speaker 5: When's it going to stop?
Speaker 4: You should already know that.
Speaker 5: It's also another movie that Julia had not seen until recently.
Speaker 4: And yeah, see that's another one first time.
Speaker 5: For me and you never had a second time. And
Speaker 5: also it's worth note that Donnie Darko was an indie movie,
Speaker 5: and as often happens, once a bigger studio bought it out,
Speaker 5: they made this cut that most people have seen when
Speaker 5: they've seen Donnie Darko, especially if you saw it in
Speaker 5: the early days. But when you watch the director's cut,
Speaker 5: it's a lot less cryptic. It kind of explains the
Speaker 5: whole time travel element. And so for people who haven't
Speaker 5: seen this movie, they take mental illness time travel.
Speaker 4: It's a mind fun It's got.
Speaker 5: Some mc martin element to it with the Patrick Swayze.
Speaker 5: He's like a motivational speaker doing the all show. They'll
Speaker 5: all light and love and in a nutshell, Donnie is
Speaker 5: a troubled boy living in an upper middle class family
Speaker 5: in some mountained area suburbia somewhere, and he gets visits
Speaker 5: from a bunny who's like a guy in a freaky
Speaker 5: bunny costume. And for those of you you've seen it,
Speaker 5: will just make it quick. It tells him to do things.
Speaker 5: It's got like almost dark elements. You wonder if he's
Speaker 5: a villain. At one point he's burning shit down. He
Speaker 5: exposes this pedophile.
Speaker 4: Thing is just creepy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I always said Richard Kelly, who directed this,
Speaker 5: it was his debut. He went on to do a
Speaker 5: few others. He was almost like wanting to be David Lynch.
Speaker 4: And I can definitely see that.
Speaker 5: Richard. If you're out there and you happen to hear
Speaker 5: this and that's not true, I apologize, but that's what
Speaker 5: it looks like to me, is you were a big
Speaker 5: Lynch fan. And his second movie is crazy. His third
Speaker 5: movie is the one you've seen The box where if
Speaker 5: you push this button, someone you don't know will die.
Speaker 5: But you'll get a million bucks, probably higher than that,
Speaker 5: but anyway, Yeah, that's my thoughts on Donnie Darko is
Speaker 5: it's just such a It's an iconic movie in the
Speaker 5: indie scene in the nineties, and then it's got a
Speaker 5: pretty good cast for a movie. It's almost like Tarantino
Speaker 5: in his early days pulling in all these actors for
Speaker 5: Reservoir Dogs. You could see jill and Hall in his
Speaker 5: like almost infancy. I mean he looked like a I
Speaker 5: mean he's portraying like a sixteen year old kid or something.
Speaker 5: He was probably twenty five.
Speaker 4: He's really liked him in Zodiac.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It's funny too because we sat down to watch
Speaker 5: Prisoners the other night and you're like, I don't like
Speaker 5: Jake Jillen Hall.
Speaker 4: I don't like him.
Speaker 5: That that's you liked him and Donny Darko, yous you
Speaker 5: like him? Okay, I wasn't aware of this discrepancy. You
Speaker 5: liked him in Prisoners.
Speaker 4: My favorite from him is Prisoners.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the best way I liked him.
Speaker 4: Okay, in Donnie Darko and in Zodiac, but my favorite
Speaker 4: has to be Prisoners because he was so outside of
Speaker 4: that weird dorky YEI Gronnie guy.
Speaker 5: He played it tormented motherfucker and he was kind of buff. Well,
Speaker 5: he got buff. He did that movie where he played
Speaker 5: a boxer where what's his name fuck? One of the
Speaker 5: best actors, Christian Bells his brother. Anyway, we're getting off
Speaker 5: in the weeds. I would say Donnie Darko cult classic movie.
Speaker 5: Most people have probably seen it. If you haven't watched it,
Speaker 5: I would say, but yeah, close out on your thoughts
Speaker 5: and we'll give this baby a rating.
Speaker 4: Well, for me, it was obviously the first time I
Speaker 4: had seen it. I did find the soundtrack, and I
Speaker 4: mean the entire movie was just It's one of those
Speaker 4: ones that puts you in this perpetual, weird hallucinogenic state,
Speaker 4: like a Lynch movie. Yeah, the imagery, the sounds, the music. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was definitely one of those. You know, was I high?
Speaker 4: I don't know if I was pregnant yet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we watched this within the last few months. You
Speaker 5: were definitely not high.
Speaker 4: I wasn't high.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 4: I could have swore you gave me my head off
Speaker 4: your weed. Pinch.
Speaker 5: No, this is too.
Speaker 4: That was high.
Speaker 5: You don't need drugs for Donnie Darko feel weird.
Speaker 4: D No, but I'm gonna give it. I'll give it
Speaker 4: nine out of ten. Pukes, I'll give it nine out
Speaker 4: of ten.
Speaker 5: Well, we're on par with that. You're giving it night,
Speaker 5: I'm giving it nine out of ten. I think that
Speaker 5: a movie like Donnie Darko, even when they release a
Speaker 5: director's cut and try to over explain it, it's still
Speaker 5: just as missing something. I don't know. It's it's not
Speaker 5: like what to me. And you know, I'm being really
Speaker 5: critical here because I love films and used to be
Speaker 5: what I wanted to do. But I would just say
Speaker 5: there's just a little something missing. But for a dude's
Speaker 5: first movie that directors pretty good and for what he
Speaker 5: pulled off, a nine out of ten, and I am,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't give tens easily.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, you know, in American horror
Speaker 4: story Asylum, there's all an array of different mental illness.
Speaker 4: It's like a candy shop. You got chronic mess, debaters
Speaker 4: and you know, xyz schizophrenia, murderers, blah and girl interrupted.
Speaker 4: I would say she's They say she has borderline personality.
Speaker 5: Which is a fucking broad term, which is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would say like depression obviously, Brittany Murphy
Speaker 4: had like incest and like self hen she.
Speaker 5: Was it was like a trauma victim.
Speaker 4: But and then we have split personality in Fight Club.
Speaker 4: What Donny Darko, I mean like schizophrenia.
Speaker 5: I think that's what they so in the movie he's
Speaker 5: seen a it looks like maybe a privately hired shrink
Speaker 5: for the sun. And it seems like when she brings
Speaker 5: the parents in that she's hinting at she's afraid he's
Speaker 5: slipping into schizophrenia.
Speaker 4: So imagine if that's what it's like to have schizophrenia,
Speaker 4: I'd kill myself. Okay, if having schizophrenia makes your life,
Speaker 4: Donny Darko didn't take the long I.
Speaker 5: Know, makes you see bunnies that go hello donner burn.
Speaker 4: It god so creepy. I mean, think about that.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't be pleasant. No, And I do know people
Speaker 5: in my own family who start to slip into this
Speaker 5: weird almost early dementious slash craziness. And they did men
Speaker 5: shill themselves. I mean it's the Yeah, dementia isn't schizophrenia.
Speaker 4: But they see stuff though my grandma did. She used
Speaker 4: to say, she used to tell them maybe mortifying stuff.
Speaker 5: Maybe they are more connected than.
Speaker 4: The That's what I've always said. The psychiatric Alzheimer's too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Alzheimer's is a form of dementia, but schizophrenia
Speaker 5: is kind of its own branch of crazy. Yeah, if
Speaker 5: you ask these people, I mean, they try to like
Speaker 5: branch everything off and label it and give you a
Speaker 5: pill for this and a pill for that. But as
Speaker 5: far as like full blown dimension and Alzheimer's, I don't
Speaker 5: know that they ever medicate them or do they.
Speaker 4: Yes, they do. Why they medicated my grandma and my grandpa.
Speaker 4: They said, my grandpa had Alzheimer's.
Speaker 5: But just for the dementia, Like I can imagine giving
Speaker 5: them a relaxant, but like something to treat the dementia.
Speaker 4: They have all kinds of stuff. I'm sure if we
Speaker 4: watch Hulu long enough. Obviously men did something for it.
Speaker 5: Oh I did. I had a side note when we
Speaker 5: were talking about girl interrupted, so just a little set
Speaker 5: up Julia and I. I don't know if she's always
Speaker 5: been this way, but I am this way. I hate commercials.
Speaker 5: To me, the fucking extra five dollars or whatever you
Speaker 5: have to play on Hulu or whatever platform using did
Speaker 5: not get the commercials. But now it's like Amazon Primes
Speaker 5: got them, but we had to go to Tubi to
Speaker 5: watch Girl Interrupted. And it's great because it's free, but
Speaker 5: the ads are like every overwhelming, and I would say
Speaker 5: seventy five percent of them were like pharmacies, pharmaceutical shit.
Speaker 5: And well, we saw this one called like Viklars doll
Speaker 5: clar and it was Julia called it a booster for
Speaker 5: other SSRIs because.
Speaker 4: What's called anti depressive butster.
Speaker 5: What really stuck out to me was when they said
Speaker 5: suicidal tendencies, especially in children or young adults. I was like,
Speaker 5: first of all, why are you putting kids on this shit?
Speaker 5: Secondly that you know that it fucking causes young people
Speaker 5: to want to kill themselves, and then it enlisted these
Speaker 5: god awful fucking side effects. It took like thirty seconds
Speaker 5: to list, and they said they said it's common, these
Speaker 5: are common, thanks are, And they didn't even speed it
Speaker 5: up like some of them do. They're just saying it
Speaker 5: in like an NPR voice and there's butterflies floating around, yeall, No,
Speaker 5: the's chestnuts. Yeah. Anyway, I just thought it was very
Speaker 5: fitting that we're watching Girl Interrupted and we're being interrupted
Speaker 5: and bombarded with pharmaceutical commercials for people who need mental
Speaker 5: fucking fixes.
Speaker 4: They have gone so far as to say, oh, you're
Speaker 4: taking your antidepressant and it's still not working. Here's an
Speaker 4: anti depress it.
Speaker 5: Booster boosters are fucking the new normal. Baby. Well you know,
Speaker 5: if you're up in Canada, they do it the right way.
Speaker 5: They're just like, why don't you just kill yourself? Well help?
Speaker 4: I just can't imagine like somebody saying, instead of trying
Speaker 4: something else, we're gonna keep you on your antidepressant and
Speaker 4: we're gonna add you a booster.
Speaker 5: Indeed, all right, Julia's second choice is as good as
Speaker 5: it gets.
Speaker 4: Oh boy, I forgot that was my second draft.
Speaker 7: Pick open his curtains for him so he can see
Speaker 7: God's beautiful work and he'll know that even things like
Speaker 7: this happen for the best.
Speaker 5: What do they teach you to talk like this?
Speaker 13: In some Panama City sailor want to hump hump bar
Speaker 13: sell crazy someplace else?
Speaker 5: We're all stocked up here.
Speaker 13: Try Star Pictures invites you to meet a truly appalling individual.
Speaker 4: He's a freak show.
Speaker 2: He's the worst person I ever met.
Speaker 13: If you want to you want to make an appointment
Speaker 13: doctor Green, How can you diagnose someone as an obsessive
Speaker 13: compulsive disorder, and then act as though I had some
Speaker 13: choice about Barginghi, you have.
Speaker 4: Messed your last floor.
Speaker 5: You have you seen my dog with a little little
Speaker 5: face little uh oh?
Speaker 4: You have no idea what your work means to me?
Speaker 2: How do you write women so well?
Speaker 13: I think of a man and I take away reason
Speaker 13: and accountability.
Speaker 3: Shut up, kid.
Speaker 9: Definitely a package you don't want to open or touch.
Speaker 5: I love you, I tell you, buddy, I'd be the
Speaker 5: luckiest guy alive if that did it for me as
Speaker 5: good as it gets.
Speaker 4: So this one is kind of on the lighter side
Speaker 4: of mental illness in my opinion, because you don't have
Speaker 4: to be locked up somewhere if you have OCD y
Speaker 4: lucky for you and right. I have, always since I
Speaker 4: was a kid, struggled with obsessive tendencies.
Speaker 5: I think it's common more and more as time goes by,
Speaker 5: because our society is so loud and overwhelming and demanding
Speaker 5: of your attention at all times. So I do think
Speaker 5: that normal people will get a little obsessive of having
Speaker 5: to live in are ever technologically expanding, fucking society, which
Speaker 5: makes me really worried about kids today.
Speaker 4: It makes me worried because if if our baby is
Speaker 4: anything like me, I'm gonna know, like if he has
Speaker 4: like ticks what are they called ticks.
Speaker 5: Like Jack Nicholson in this movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of it'll be sad because I know
Speaker 4: how how it felt when I was little, like I
Speaker 4: always had to have some sense of control over my environment.
Speaker 4: But maybe that's because I had a psychopath for a father,
Speaker 4: but I always felt like I needed to have a
Speaker 4: little bit of control over my surroundings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you went on Deplorable Janet, Yeah, Deplorable Nation,
Speaker 5: shout out Janet, we love you. You went on her show,
Speaker 5: and she actually said that to you, like, you know,
Speaker 5: you had to control your situation with the way you're
Speaker 5: brought up, lack of guidance, lack of an adult presence,
Speaker 5: and then like just there's so much else going on
Speaker 5: that can add to that once the foundation is laid.
Speaker 5: But I would say it's definitely common a lot of
Speaker 5: anxiety and obsessive traits to kind of go hand in
Speaker 5: hand to well.
Speaker 4: And I just want to make this clear because I
Speaker 4: feel like people and we're gonna maybe tie this into
Speaker 4: the end of the episode, but the fetishization of mental illness.
Speaker 4: Oh CD does not mean you like to have all
Speaker 4: your spoons in one drawer and all of your it can.
Speaker 4: But for me, I wanted to have a sense of
Speaker 4: control over my environment. But also I had obsessive thoughts
Speaker 4: that everyone I loved was gonna die. I would obsess
Speaker 4: over how they were going to die, to the point
Speaker 4: where I would like make myself cry or like have
Speaker 4: nightmares that everybody I loved was gonna die horribly and
Speaker 4: I was gonna die.
Speaker 5: Our kid is fucked because both parents. I used to
Speaker 5: lay awake in bed night after night dreaming up misery, yeah,
Speaker 5: and impending, not just potential misery. As soon as I
Speaker 5: found out that eventual, even if she stayed healthy forever,
Speaker 5: she would die. One day when I was like five, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I laid in bed and then like, like you're saying,
Speaker 5: just any fucking bad thing that will happen eventually or
Speaker 5: things that could happen. That's a whole other category.
Speaker 4: That's part of obsessive compulsive disorder. Though I always when
Speaker 4: I watched As Good as It Gets, I always identified
Speaker 4: with Jack Nicholson because yeah, he has to turn the
Speaker 4: lock three times or whatever, and I never had to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 5: But well, when they portray obsessive compulsive disorder in movies,
Speaker 5: it's a good trope. It's visual, can't step on cracks,
Speaker 5: has to count certain things they do, has to have
Speaker 5: their salt shakers and pepper shakers in a certain order.
Speaker 5: All that stuff is great for film, But like you're saying,
Speaker 5: there's this whole other list of I don't know what
Speaker 5: would you call him, not side effects, but.
Speaker 4: Kind of like the the actual suffering part of like
Speaker 4: what goes on inside the mind when you have obsessive
Speaker 4: compulsive disorder. Because the reason why you might bring your
Speaker 4: salt and pepper shaker with you is because you think
Speaker 4: everybody's going to poison you. Like, that's the mental part
Speaker 4: of it that you don't see, is like, oh, they
Speaker 4: have to have their own salt and pepper. Actually they
Speaker 4: think they're gonna die if they use their restaurant salt
Speaker 4: and peppers, so they'll bring it with them, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also like you can bring germophobia into OCD.
Speaker 5: There's a few honorable mentions that I have that had
Speaker 5: just come to mind, So I think if we think
Speaker 5: of them, we can shout them out instead of doing
Speaker 5: it at the end, which we'll have plenty, But it
Speaker 5: makes me think of match Stick Men with Nick Cage
Speaker 5: having OCD. But the other one that I haven't thought
Speaker 5: about until just now, I me and you both love it.
Speaker 5: It's a comedy. What What About Bob?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: My god?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I almost think that if if we
Speaker 5: had thought of that, it probably would have made at
Speaker 5: least one of our lists.
Speaker 4: Well, for sure, I love that movie.
Speaker 5: But what About Bob? Is on the lighter side, much
Speaker 5: like As Good as It Gets? But I really I
Speaker 5: think What About Bob is a better movie. I struggle.
Speaker 5: I struggle with as Good as It Gets, And we'll
Speaker 5: get into that after Julia has done talking about about it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, what about Bob? He's got the same shit
Speaker 5: going on and they do really make light of it.
Speaker 5: And as good as it gets, it's not really a comedy.
Speaker 5: It's like a romantic comedy, but it's more like a
Speaker 5: romantic dramedy because there are funny parts. There's funny there's
Speaker 5: endearing characters. Greg Kinnear playing the gay guy that gets
Speaker 5: beat up that he actually takes his dog and kind
Speaker 5: of breaks breaks his routine, and all that, but yeah,
Speaker 5: you keep going with your thoughts on it.
Speaker 4: Well, my thoughts on it is that it's one of
Speaker 4: my favorite movies. I'm not gonna say it's top five
Speaker 4: or anything, but if I had to like ten to
Speaker 4: fifteen movies, it would be in there. And it's because
Speaker 4: and you know, I've often wondered if the tendency to
Speaker 4: just like blurt shit out that you're not supposed to
Speaker 4: say comes from having obsessive thoughts.
Speaker 5: It's a part of a control mechanism.
Speaker 4: Because you even brought it up the other day because
Speaker 4: I was talking to my doctor and I'll just like
Speaker 4: say random off the wall shit and You're like, most
Speaker 4: people wouldn't say that to their doctor, and it's like,
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 5: Well, let's let's let the audience decide.
Speaker 4: I told her, I have thunder pulls.
Speaker 5: No, let's talk about the first one. She had to
Speaker 5: get tested. Everybody gets tested for butthole strap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pussing buttthole strap.
Speaker 5: And she handed Julia, I actually highly regret missing this appointment.
Speaker 5: Sometimes my work schedule is such that I can't go
Speaker 5: to all of them. And I, yeah, we very frequently.
Speaker 5: Was She handed Julia the butthole q tip And you
Speaker 5: know how Julia loves the word beetles. She said, how
Speaker 5: far do I have to shove this up my beople?
Speaker 5: And the doctor, who's very straight laced, lost it, right.
Speaker 4: She laughed her ass off. Just the tip, she said,
Speaker 4: just the tip. It was a long ass. It was
Speaker 4: probably like at least I would say it's at least
Speaker 4: a foot long subway sub of a swab. And she said,
Speaker 4: but just.
Speaker 5: The tip is the just the tip is the cotton
Speaker 5: part right right?
Speaker 4: But she said halfway into the vagina. And then I said, yes.
Speaker 5: Hell, was that a six inch er?
Speaker 4: It was a foot long subway sub.
Speaker 5: So you're getting up into the cervical region apparently.
Speaker 4: And so I was like, okay, if I got to
Speaker 4: go that far in the puss.
Speaker 5: Now I understand when you asked.
Speaker 4: Hupping this up my b hole? And she said, just.
Speaker 5: The tips, after laughing her ass off.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then the second appointment, I said, I've been
Speaker 4: having a lot of thunder puss and she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: lightning crutch and I was like, yeah, whatever. But I
Speaker 4: mean I've often wondered if I blurt shit out like
Speaker 4: that because I'm a sagittarius or because I have obsessive.
Speaker 5: It's just because it's just because you're you.
Speaker 4: It's just a me thing.
Speaker 5: We could attribute it to the self diagnoses you've done.
Speaker 5: I don't know that you're OCD, Like finically, are you.
Speaker 4: They said that when I was little before, they did
Speaker 4: say it, yeah, because I like I had all my barbies,
Speaker 4: had to be a certain way and all my stuff,
Speaker 4: and like, yeah, I would. I would freak out and
Speaker 4: go to the nurse at school and they'd say, what's
Speaker 4: wrong with you? And I'd say, I think my mom's
Speaker 4: gonna die, and then they would let me call her
Speaker 4: because I would just have a freak out in the
Speaker 4: middle of the day thinking about like I'm at school
Speaker 4: right now, my mom's probably dead somewhere. I'm serious.
Speaker 5: It's not funny, but I do relate to a lot
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was fucked up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 4: This movie has so many gems.
Speaker 5: Come on, well, I would say that when it came out,
Speaker 5: it was very well received and it did shine a
Speaker 5: light on these mental illness things in the way that
Speaker 5: a lot of movies have done since. I mean, there's
Speaker 5: been movies that did it before this.
Speaker 4: Uh, how about people who speak in metaphors out of
Speaker 4: shampoo my crotch?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Jack Nicholson's character, what's his name in it? Melvin
Speaker 5: Melvin Udahl does have some very good one liners in this.
Speaker 5: He's a writer and he's like at a meeting with
Speaker 5: a publisher or something, and the woman at the front
Speaker 5: desk is a fan of his and asks, how do
Speaker 5: you write? He writes all of his books through a
Speaker 5: first person female perspective, it seems, and she asks how
Speaker 5: he writes women so well, and he says it's easy.
Speaker 5: I just take away reason and accountability. Right, good line.
Speaker 4: There are a million great one liners in this.
Speaker 5: You're gonna say that's a good line. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 5: poke you a little bit. You think women lack reason
Speaker 5: and accountability? Sometimes that's a broad stroke, I'd say so,
Speaker 5: saw a lot of men do too.
Speaker 4: Besides, you make me want to be a better man.
Speaker 5: And all that grossest line in the movie.
Speaker 4: When they're in the car and he's like, I hope
Speaker 4: your dad hands you another big sweaty ball. I don't know.
Speaker 4: There are just so many.
Speaker 5: Well, he has some pretty good homophobic remarks towards the
Speaker 5: gay neighbor the Gaber. I would say that this movie
Speaker 5: was like for its time, It got away with a
Speaker 5: lot of stuff that you wouldn't see in like a
Speaker 5: blockbuster Academy Award winning hit. It does. It's not woke
Speaker 5: by any sense.
Speaker 4: Now took the imagination and it has the guy in
Speaker 4: it from Scream.
Speaker 5: Does have skeetle Rick in it. Yeah, there's what you
Speaker 5: think is a gay guy modeling for the for Greg
Speaker 5: Kinnear's character and they end up jumping him and kicking
Speaker 5: his ass.
Speaker 4: But anyways, I think it is a great love story
Speaker 4: and you don't, so I guess that's where we can
Speaker 4: debate on this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole movie to me is about, you know,
Speaker 5: being completed by another person. Is the element that Jerry
Speaker 5: maguire explored. And this one is you make me want
Speaker 5: to be a better man. You know that one line.
Speaker 5: But if you watch the scene where they're having dinner
Speaker 5: and he's just being a fucking asshole to her for
Speaker 5: this whole conversation because he's so frustrated that he can't
Speaker 5: tell her how he feels, and he tells her, I
Speaker 5: stopped taking my medication and then he says it's because
Speaker 5: of her. You make me want to be a better man.
Speaker 4: He said, he started, okay, taking the medication.
Speaker 5: Started taking it.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay.
Speaker 5: That to me is even worse because.
Speaker 4: He said, I hate pills, right, And she said okay,
Speaker 4: and he's like, and I mean hate and he said
Speaker 4: that day something I talked to you, and I started
Speaker 4: taking the pills. And she's like okay, and he says,
Speaker 4: you make me want to be a better man.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When I first saw this movie, I just kind of
Speaker 5: thought that was like cheesy, throwaway shit, and now I
Speaker 5: think it's even I don't know. To me, it's not
Speaker 5: a real love story, as most of these stories that
Speaker 5: are supposed to be love stories are not love stories.
Speaker 4: Not a love story.
Speaker 5: Because it's an inflated notion of other people being responsible
Speaker 5: for your overall being. And she's if we were to
Speaker 5: watch this movie and it was like ten hours long
Speaker 5: by the time we got to the end of the movie.
Speaker 5: He's fucked her over several times, and he's blamed his
Speaker 5: condition and she has to accept him for how he is,
Speaker 5: which you would if you were to get into a
Speaker 5: relationship with something like that. But I just, to me,
Speaker 5: it's not it's like Chuck Paulink nook for a circle
Speaker 5: back moment. He had a quote that I love is
Speaker 5: happy and needs to just depend on where you draw
Speaker 5: the curtain. And I think that that was a good
Speaker 5: moment to draw the curtain. The ass whole misogynist is
Speaker 5: throwing his life into this younger woman's lap. You make
Speaker 5: me want to be a better man.
Speaker 4: I just as good as it gets. I think it's
Speaker 4: a realistic love story. I think that knowing her love
Speaker 4: in his way. Okay, he did all that stuff for
Speaker 4: her son.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's trying to buy her favor. I don't think
Speaker 5: the character is endearing. I never do.
Speaker 4: I think he takes the gay guy in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he has a moments carry the dog being very resentful,
Speaker 5: but that's like.
Speaker 4: Some real life shit.
Speaker 5: You might be resimbleful, and most characters in real life
Speaker 5: aren't good people. They might have good moments that This is.
Speaker 4: Realistic, of course, and it could be a realistic love story.
Speaker 5: I don't hate the movie. I don't think it's like
Speaker 5: an example of what love is it should be.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but you are in a relationship with someone
Speaker 4: who is very particular, and you, I know.
Speaker 5: Do I make you want to be a better woman?
Speaker 4: I think we make each other better.
Speaker 5: Sure, but I'm not putting that responsibility on you either.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, babe, that people are fucked up in the
Speaker 4: head and when they get with another person, it's not
Speaker 4: the notebook.
Speaker 5: See, it's just it's not It's the same issue I
Speaker 5: have with you. Complete me from Jerry Maguire, which I
Speaker 5: did mention earlier. But it's not what love is. It's
Speaker 5: a Hollywood love and this movie did very well on Hollywood.
Speaker 4: And you don't think that it showed how dysfunctional relationships.
Speaker 5: Can well, yeah, sure, but I don't think that's like
Speaker 5: the love story we should put on a pedestal. I
Speaker 5: think anction a dysfunctional relationship is realistic. In fact, you
Speaker 5: can't have a one hundred functional relationship if it's a
Speaker 5: real relationship. You know, people pull it off because they
Speaker 5: treat each other like roommates that they tolerate. But a
Speaker 5: real love story doesn't have to be about sacrifice or.
Speaker 4: So you're saying she's sacrificing because he's fucked up.
Speaker 5: That's her decision to make. But I don't think it's
Speaker 5: a shining beacon of what love is. And the and
Speaker 5: the the context just pre anybody who thinks I'm being
Speaker 5: an asshole, that's fine, but watch if you disagree, watch
Speaker 5: the last scene with them together at the dinner table
Speaker 5: where he says the line, and the whole context of
Speaker 5: the conversation. I just I didn't really like I said.
Speaker 5: It was like when I watched it years later that
Speaker 5: I kind of walked away thinking differently of it.
Speaker 4: Maybe you should watch it again.
Speaker 5: I guess I have seen it a handful of times, And.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, because I'm sure I'll watch it
Speaker 4: at some point, or make you watch it again at
Speaker 4: some point, because I do love it very much.
Speaker 5: You hear that she makes me watch things.
Speaker 4: Well, I was just gonna say, I we.
Speaker 5: Take turns picking movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not as bad as Jack Nicholson, but I just,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't think she's necessarily sacrificing to have
Speaker 4: to be with him. I think he's actually like.
Speaker 5: Well, that wasn't even my bigger point. If you want
Speaker 5: to sacrifice and it's worth it to you, that can
Speaker 5: be part of a love story for sure.
Speaker 4: Like how I organize the bathroom cabinet.
Speaker 5: I'm getting this. Yes, you are so attached to this
Speaker 5: character that me not like in this movie, you're taking
Speaker 5: it personally. No, I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it's you. When I got all those fucking
Speaker 4: buckets from the dollar store and went through our entire
Speaker 4: bathroom cabinets and organized everything and put it in baskets,
Speaker 4: and like, if you don't put something in the basket,
Speaker 4: or you put it in the wrong basket, and I
Speaker 4: go behind you and I take it out of that
Speaker 4: basket and put it in its proper basket. I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: people have hang ups, relationships are weird, and you're very
Speaker 4: gracious towards me and all my little.
Speaker 5: Particular Well, I'm an unorganized motherfucker. Look at the state
Speaker 5: of the house when you moved in.
Speaker 4: Just saying you've been very gracious towards me, as Helen
Speaker 4: Hunt was towards Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 5: Uh, okay, but I don't see you like throwing fits
Speaker 5: if things aren't the way.
Speaker 4: You want it, I suffer in silence.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, thank you.
Speaker 4: But anyways, yeah, this you accept me.
Speaker 5: As a person who doesn't shut cabinets when I'm done
Speaker 5: reaching in, and yeah you accept me, I accept you,
Speaker 5: and neither one of us is sacrificing a whole hell
Speaker 5: of a lot by accepting each other. You don't have
Speaker 5: to sometimes you do. I just don't think this is
Speaker 5: our love story.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it's our love story, but I would
Speaker 4: just say, as far as realistic, like one of them's
Speaker 4: fucked up in the other.
Speaker 5: One, everybody's fucked up. Yeah, that should be the name
Speaker 5: of the movie. Everybody's fucked up.
Speaker 4: Everybody's fucked up.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: This is as good as it gets in parentheses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this one. I picked this one because it's
Speaker 4: a mild form of mental illness as far as mental
Speaker 4: illness goes. But uh cookes ten out of ten cooks
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give it a five. Wow, always look on.
Speaker 4: The right side of your life.
Speaker 5: I don't think this picks up whistling.
Speaker 4: So we've got we've covered almost all of the different
Speaker 4: types of mental illness. What's next on them?
Speaker 5: Well, we're on pick three for you, which is psycho.
Speaker 4: Psycho.
Speaker 6: Here we have a quiet little motel, when in fact
Speaker 6: it has now become known as the scene of the crime.
Speaker 2: Do you have a vacancy? Oh, we have twelve vacancies.
Speaker 2: None is the first place. It looks like it's hiding
Speaker 2: from the world. I think that we're all in our
Speaker 2: private traps, clamped in them, and none of us can
Speaker 2: ever get up.
Speaker 4: She wouldn't even have a fly. And you know, this
Speaker 4: could be any rendition of it. It could be the
Speaker 4: original Psycho.
Speaker 5: Gus Van Sant with fucking Vince Bond.
Speaker 4: Vince Vaughan, it could be Baits Motel. I'm down for
Speaker 4: any of them, right. I tried, really tried to get
Speaker 4: into Baits Motel.
Speaker 5: I stopped watching it at the end of season two
Speaker 5: just because it was current, and I have never gone
Speaker 5: back to it when they kept going, But I would.
Speaker 5: I like that kid who was in some movies when
Speaker 5: he was younger, like he was in that Neverland Finding Neverland.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but talking about mental illness, he's in that Good
Speaker 4: Doctor show where he has severe autism.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I've never watched that.
Speaker 4: I've watched like five seasons of it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, the Bates Motel I thought was very well done. Yeah,
Speaker 5: of course I love the Hitchcocks I go. I thought
Speaker 5: it was interesting enough to watch all the way through
Speaker 5: the Gus Van Sant rendition with Vince Vaughan playing Norman Bates.
Speaker 4: But I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: I don't know what the point was.
Speaker 4: I don't either, other than they just did it.
Speaker 5: It just was like almost shot for shot, word for word.
Speaker 5: The only difference is it's in color. And Vince Vaughan, well,
Speaker 5: they had to update the actors.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying it was interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah. For him, he was doing mainly bad guy roles
Speaker 5: and then he slid into comedy. But somewhere in between
Speaker 5: there he was picked to play Norman Bates, which was
Speaker 5: a fucking reaching for a goddamn sleeper. As far as
Speaker 5: all the actors that would have wanted to do that role,
Speaker 5: they got Vince Vaughan. He was nobody really back then.
Speaker 4: Interesting, But don't you feel like they incorporated aspect of
Speaker 4: Norman Bates into American horror story Asylum with Doctor Threadson
Speaker 4: with his weird mommy thing that he had going. So
Speaker 4: would you say that Norman Bates because we'll spare everyone.
Speaker 4: If you don't, if you haven't watched a rendition of
Speaker 4: Psycho yet, then fuck you. I mean, whoa, this is
Speaker 4: cosmic peach pot.
Speaker 5: Some people don't get around to every movie.
Speaker 4: Psycho in some form. Everybody knows the story.
Speaker 5: And if not, fuck you, And if not, you that's
Speaker 5: not me saying that you're welcome to watch it or
Speaker 5: not watch it, but you should at it's worth watching,
Speaker 5: know the premise. Of course it's been. There's been so
Speaker 5: many tips of the hat throughout pop culture. I think
Speaker 5: there's even a family guy. Yes, it's just everywhere, shower scene, iconic.
Speaker 4: BIG's adermy stuff big.
Speaker 5: In nice Shyamalan style twist, which actually I should just
Speaker 5: say Alfred Hitchcock style twist because he is the master
Speaker 5: of the twist. And yeah, all of it. It's the
Speaker 5: fight club kind of thing going.
Speaker 4: On in Split Personality. It's do you think he was
Speaker 4: incestuous with his mom or what I mean?
Speaker 5: I don't think that was really thought about much, unless
Speaker 5: you know back then dressed up as well. It's supposed
Speaker 5: to be ed Gain No, Yes, the three major pillars
Speaker 5: of ed Gain is it gainer Gane? I always say, well,
Speaker 5: he was the inspiration for Psycho Texas, Chainsawn Mashtacre and
Speaker 5: Silence the Lambs. Yeah, so there's elements of the mother.
Speaker 5: He doesn't go as far as wearing skin suits, but
Speaker 5: he does dress up as it puts on what it had.
Speaker 4: It been inspiration for Friday the thirteenth. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: with the mom remember kill him?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that it's like, what year
Speaker 5: was ed Gian fuck? Bro Cook?
Speaker 4: Well, they got they talking about that, they got a
Speaker 4: show coming out I'm gonna fucking stoked thiss fuck to
Speaker 4: watch on.
Speaker 5: Netflix fifty seven, So we're talking a two year difference.
Speaker 5: I think Hitchcock probably got read on that script.
Speaker 4: Wow, why does it say ed Gean also known as
Speaker 4: the Butcher of playing Field or the plain Field ghoul.
Speaker 4: Nobody says that if you said ed.
Speaker 5: Gian, maybe back when he was active or whatever was
Speaker 5: going on, he had a moniker.
Speaker 4: Well nobody uses those monikers, like if you even the
Speaker 4: show that they're.
Speaker 5: I've heard the Butcher of playing Field, but I didn't
Speaker 5: know it was him. So you're making a point like yeah,
Speaker 5: and he's you know, you and I are both huge
Speaker 5: fans of the serial killer stuff that McGowan uncovered and
Speaker 5: programmed to kill. I've never myself done a huge deep
Speaker 5: dive into ed Gain, but anyway, a tangent decided he
Speaker 5: was the basis for Psycho or for Norman Bates and
Speaker 5: a couple others notable.
Speaker 4: At the end of the first Psycho Alfred Hitchcock. They
Speaker 4: have him in the police station and he's dressed like
Speaker 4: his fucking mom, and shit, I let.
Speaker 5: Him even I think she doesn't even want to harm
Speaker 5: that fly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the funniest part to me is when the
Speaker 4: cops are talking to the psychiatrist and the psychiatrist is like,
Speaker 4: I know what's wrong with him, and the cops like
Speaker 4: he's a transvestite, and he's like, uh no.
Speaker 5: No, but yes, yes, but no, it's much more than that.
Speaker 4: But anyways, I always laughed at that part because he's
Speaker 4: like he's a transvestite. We were actually thinking about doing
Speaker 4: a bonus episode on serial killers who spent a lot
Speaker 4: of time in mental institutions because a lot like prisons
Speaker 4: and military I do think that they look for a
Speaker 4: certain type of psychopath that would be beneficial in these
Speaker 4: programs in mental institutions as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this would be a Patreon thing. And if
Speaker 5: it happens, it's only because Julia has not gone into
Speaker 5: labor right next couple weeks, but that could be something
Speaker 5: to look forward to. I do want to just say
Speaker 5: before we move on from Psycho, that I am finding
Speaker 5: it pretty fucking intense that this event would have shocked
Speaker 5: the nation. Yeah, nineteen fifty seven, And and then this huge
Speaker 5: horror thriller filmmaker does a movie that rocked the world
Speaker 5: only two years later. Yeah, I mean, of course, Hitchcock
Speaker 5: is so established in the industry that you got it. No,
Speaker 5: I mean he's got someone's got their thumb over him,
Speaker 5: and that he Yeah, I didn't even realize how closely
Speaker 5: these two things the you never realized again, and then
Speaker 5: the release of this fucking movie. Okay, so it was base. Okay,
Speaker 5: I might be wrong saying here that the fifty nine
Speaker 5: novel so that the novel was written two years later. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it came out fifty nine, same year as the novel,
Speaker 5: So I don't know. I find that interesting me. Yeah, No,
Speaker 5: I do give this one, of course, context of the
Speaker 5: time it came out. Even the material today, done in
Speaker 5: the hand or handed to a masterful director would be
Speaker 5: still just as good. I give it a ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same ten. What's next on the list?
Speaker 5: Now? We were moving on to my third pick, which
Speaker 5: is something we just watched last night, and we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 5: the two thousand film Memento.
Speaker 3: I guess I've already told you about my condition every
Speaker 3: time I see you.
Speaker 5: You don't remember where you've been or what you've just done.
Speaker 2: I can't make memories. Everything just fades.
Speaker 4: What's the last thing you do?
Speaker 5: Remember? My wife?
Speaker 2: That's sweet dying.
Speaker 5: You really want to get this guy, don't you. My
Speaker 5: wife deserves a vengeance.
Speaker 2: When you find this guy, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 4: Somebody's got to pay, Lenny. Somebody always pays. You have
Speaker 4: to be very careful.
Speaker 5: You wander around playing detective.
Speaker 4: Maybe you should start investigating yourself.
Speaker 8: This guy is so dangerous and he's gonna kill me.
Speaker 2: I want my life back.
Speaker 3: I think someone's trying to get me to kill the
Speaker 3: wrong guy.
Speaker 4: You can question everything.
Speaker 6: You can never know.
Speaker 5: Anything for sure. There are things you know for sure.
Speaker 5: You can't trust her.
Speaker 4: Even if you.
Speaker 5: Get revenge, you're not gonna remember it. You're not even
Speaker 5: gonna know that it happened. Who did this to you?
Speaker 2: You did?
Speaker 5: You don't know who you are? A lot of people
Speaker 5: consider to be Christopher Nolan's film debut, even though he
Speaker 5: and his brother did a kind of a almost like
Speaker 5: student film level film called The Following before they came
Speaker 5: to the US and started making stuff. But this is
Speaker 5: what brought Christopher Nolan, you know, master director behind Inception, Interstellar,
Speaker 5: just did that movie about the nuclear race, the Manhattan Project.
Speaker 5: What was that called Oppenheimer. Oh, the guy's name, the physicist.
Speaker 4: Well, you know when you told me, you were like,
Speaker 4: I want you to watch this movie. It is called Momento,
Speaker 4: and it's by what Momento whatever you said, it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's Christopher Nolan, fucking inception and da da da. I
Speaker 4: knew it was going to be a mind fuck.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And for those of you who haven't seen the movie,
Speaker 5: it's the main character suffers from severe short term memory loss.
Speaker 5: And we're not talking fifty first dates where he gets
Speaker 5: a whole day. He just gets several minutes at a time.
Speaker 4: I would say twenty minutes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably something around that because some of the
Speaker 5: scenes he has to like cover some time before he resets.
Speaker 5: So he just resets and the last memory he has
Speaker 5: stored as his wife Dane. He's tracking down the killer,
Speaker 5: leaving himself a series of notes in pleuting tattoos on
Speaker 5: his own body. But then it just turns into almost
Speaker 5: a murder mystery. It's so fucked spoiler alert. You find
Speaker 5: out this guy actually his wife wasn't murdered like he thought.
Speaker 5: She survived this attack where he was given this head
Speaker 5: injury trying to defend her, and that's when his condition started.
Speaker 5: He doesn't know that she lived, and she made him
Speaker 5: kill her with insulin because she thought he would snap
Speaker 5: out of it. He's told himself this whole story that
Speaker 5: it was this other guy that he knew from his
Speaker 5: past life as an insurance claims investigator. Anyway, the movie
Speaker 5: is just brilliantly told backwards. So the first scene of
Speaker 5: the movie is what would be the last scene in
Speaker 5: a chronological movie. And you are on along for the ride.
Speaker 5: You feel like this cur You don't know where you are,
Speaker 5: what's going on until the next scene where it starts
Speaker 5: to builds.
Speaker 4: Even at the end, you're sitting there like, fuck off,
Speaker 4: what the fuck?
Speaker 5: It does turn out that he originally got the guy
Speaker 5: that attacked his wife, but he just keeps doing it
Speaker 5: over and over and killing people, thinking he's tracking down
Speaker 5: He's given him tracking down the killer of his wife.
Speaker 5: He's given himself a purpose, and he even kills people
Speaker 5: that are supposed friends of his on purpose. He sets
Speaker 5: himself up and then forgets that he did it and
Speaker 5: he's basically a serial killer with no memory of being one.
Speaker 4: And granted, I've only seen it one time, and you've
Speaker 4: seen it multiple times, so you have a more rounded
Speaker 4: fucking opinion on the whole shit. But he's not a
Speaker 4: good guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And one of the things that the Joe Pantaliano,
Speaker 5: you know, Cipher from the Matrix, he keeps telling him,
Speaker 5: you don't know who you are anymore. You know who
Speaker 5: you were up until the point of your accident, you
Speaker 5: don't know what you've become.
Speaker 4: He's also in all the Bad Boys movies.
Speaker 5: He's their chief, right, Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: He makes his vodka and pepto. He's like my favorite character.
Speaker 4: But anyways, this movie.
Speaker 5: Makes you feel mentally ill when you want to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does make you feel fucked up when you
Speaker 4: watch it. And like I said, I don't think he's
Speaker 4: a good guy. He's murdering indocent people.
Speaker 5: None of them are innocent to you.
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, I go buy the Code of Dexter,
Speaker 4: all right, And none of those people he killed deserve
Speaker 4: to die.
Speaker 5: We don't know that. I'm not like the investigator picking
Speaker 5: up for the guy. I love the movie. I love
Speaker 5: the twist, the whole thing is just loaded with Like
Speaker 5: I was telling.
Speaker 4: You, it's so hard to be married to you, because
Speaker 4: sometimes I'll have a movie in mind that I want
Speaker 4: you to watch, and I'll be so psyched up because
Speaker 4: it'll be like one of my favorite movies, and you're
Speaker 4: just like, eh, it takes an actual fucking like. I
Speaker 4: feel like I need to be committed somewhere after I
Speaker 4: watch the movies that you like to watch. I can't
Speaker 4: just show you what. I can't just show you like
Speaker 4: Evil Dead remakes in horrible movie. Well, I'm just saying
Speaker 4: that was a bad example.
Speaker 5: But like.
Speaker 4: I'll be like, oh, I really like this one. You'll
Speaker 4: probably love it, and then you watch it and you're
Speaker 4: just like, eh, it was all right. And then you
Speaker 4: make me watch this ship and I feel like I
Speaker 4: need to go fucking get on Zaprexa or whatever that
Speaker 4: ship the anti anti depressant booster.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm selective.
Speaker 4: You like things that make you feel like you're on
Speaker 4: a fucking Alice in Wonderland trip.
Speaker 5: I like fucking animal houses, and much as the next guy,
Speaker 5: I can watch a fun movie with no message and
Speaker 5: still enjoy it. And that you know, you say it's
Speaker 5: hard to be married to me because it's hard to
Speaker 5: impress me with movies you like. But I don't think
Speaker 5: anymore or any less of you if you show me
Speaker 5: a movie, I don't call it ten Yeah, but I.
Speaker 4: Feel like it's such an achievement when I pick something
Speaker 4: that you actually like, like Midnight Mass or like The
Speaker 4: Blind Manner or Archive eighty one, something like that, because
Speaker 4: I'll be thinking, ooh, this one's kind of psychological or cerebral.
Speaker 4: I bet he'll like this one. But you can't just
Speaker 4: watch fucking what's one recently that you just thought was
Speaker 4: absolute dog shit? Besides Evil Dead you hated it.
Speaker 5: I don't know we're getting in the weeds here, though.
Speaker 5: I mean we could wrap up Memento. We're making pretty
Speaker 5: good products.
Speaker 4: Saying watching this movie, like all of the movies you like,
Speaker 4: made me feel like I was going down the fucking
Speaker 4: rabbit hole. And if that's what it feels like to
Speaker 4: have short term memory loss again, bang fuck you. I'm
Speaker 4: taking myself out.
Speaker 5: Well. One of the things I like about this movie
Speaker 5: is it's a psychological ride. You understand that if a person,
Speaker 5: even with something this debilitating, can keep themselves driven with
Speaker 5: purpose and can condition themselves despite not having the ability
Speaker 5: to form new memories. It just was I mean, Christopher
Speaker 5: Nolan's brother wrote a short story and that's what this
Speaker 5: movie is based on. Agread that right now. But it's
Speaker 5: it's just so well thought out and layered, and like
Speaker 5: we were talking yesterday, did they write this shit in order?
Speaker 5: And then like this cause like pulp fiction jumping all
Speaker 5: over the place, but this one actually is chronological. It's
Speaker 5: just back front.
Speaker 4: And you know, it made me feel gross when I
Speaker 4: watched it, Like the first time I watched Butterfly Effect.
Speaker 4: Do you remember how you felt the first time you
Speaker 4: watched Butterfly Effects?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was pretty heavy. Yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 5: don't see my mento's heavy. It's just a fucking ride.
Speaker 4: It just you can't understand.
Speaker 5: It takes more than one viewing, yeah, for sure. And
Speaker 5: like there's probably half the movies I picked that you
Speaker 5: you've seen once that you probably need to see a
Speaker 5: handful of times before you can really appreciative.
Speaker 4: Birth First, before we start rewatching some shit you picked,
Speaker 4: like Requiem for a Dream, which shout out is an
Speaker 4: honorable mention.
Speaker 5: For a dream. The mom kind of spinning out. I mean,
Speaker 5: you could look at addiction as a mental illness, which
Speaker 5: is a model some people clean to the mom for me,
Speaker 5: like the mom does lose her mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because she's taken and she's mixing stuff like her
Speaker 4: antidepressant booster and her all for stuff. But so, Momento,
Speaker 4: are we rating now? I'm gonna give it for me
Speaker 4: first time viewer. I give it ten out of ten
Speaker 4: kukes for how it made me feel, but five out
Speaker 4: of ten kukes for how it made me feel.
Speaker 5: So let's go seven point five, dude.
Speaker 4: Seven point five kooks.
Speaker 5: Ten for me. Ten is a fucking overall movie and
Speaker 5: ten as far as like the psychological ride, you go on.
Speaker 4: The psychological part, Fuck.
Speaker 5: That all right? And so for for my fourth pick,
Speaker 5: we're going with the twenty sixteen film Split by m
Speaker 5: Night Shamala Malangadong.
Speaker 4: Hey, pardon me, sir, I think you have the wrong car.
Speaker 5: You've emailed for an appointment two days in a row.
Speaker 4: Tell me what's going on.
Speaker 8: I've never seen a case like this before. Twenty three
Speaker 8: identities live in Kevin's body.
Speaker 4: Did something happen? There's a flower on the pillows, a
Speaker 4: flower in the bathroom, Like we're important?
Speaker 5: Who is that maybe she can help us here.
Speaker 9: Don't worry. He knows what you're here for. He's not
Speaker 9: allowed to touch you. He knows that m M, my
Speaker 9: name's Hedwig. I have read thoughts.
Speaker 5: How old are you?
Speaker 4: Nice?
Speaker 8: The human brain is the most complex object in the universe.
Speaker 8: I mean, with multiple personalities, can change their body chemistry
Speaker 8: with their thoughts.
Speaker 5: Someone's coming for you. What will happen when he unlocks
Speaker 5: the potential of his brain?
Speaker 8: There is no limit to what he can become.
Speaker 3: And Night is a sacred knight. You will be in
Speaker 3: the presence of something greater. The world will understand now
Speaker 3: there'll be is real.
Speaker 5: I'm starting to notice the motif. We have a few
Speaker 5: on here that are about you know, shattered people and
Speaker 5: as far as alternates, but this one is different. I
Speaker 5: think it's.
Speaker 4: Got like I said in the beginning of the episode,
Speaker 4: it's got the supernatural slash paranormal aspect to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you could also say that this is a
Speaker 5: second part of the trilogy he did that includes Unbreakable
Speaker 5: Split in the Middle, and it's all wrapped up with Glass.
Speaker 5: But and one thing I find interesting about Glass is
Speaker 5: they are institutionalized and who is the head shrink to
Speaker 5: circle back to Asylum American RS story, it is landa banana.
Speaker 5: Oh fuck, Sarah Paulson is the is that her name
Speaker 5: got about that? She's you know, she'd kind of come
Speaker 5: to fame at this point through American her story. But yeah,
Speaker 5: so she's the kind of the shoes on the.
Speaker 4: Other poste too in the Ratchet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good thing to mention. But anyway, I
Speaker 5: just love the whole breaking down of like all these alternates,
Speaker 5: and the acting job of James McAvoy is exceptional, playing
Speaker 5: the little kid, playing the old proper British bitch that's
Speaker 5: supposedly the bad one until you meet the Beast. Maybe
Speaker 5: a Crawley reference, I'm not sure, but oh, I did
Speaker 5: want to say that one of the characters and the
Speaker 5: girl interrupted was last name was Crawley. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: in the late sixties, she could have been like the
Speaker 5: great granddaughter granddaughter.
Speaker 4: Even the fact the fact that they chose that time
Speaker 4: period two for me, it's.
Speaker 5: A memoir bit that apparently was when that oh really.
Speaker 4: Well kinds of stuff around that time too. They didn't
Speaker 4: have to pick Jared Leto to be in it, that
Speaker 4: his fucking ass was in it too.
Speaker 5: So well also fucking my owner writers the one who's
Speaker 5: obsessed with Catcher in the Rye and wears the shirts
Speaker 5: and yeah, says that she identifies with Holden caffielled But yeah,
Speaker 5: back to split Tangent averted almost so this is.
Speaker 4: Kind of like psycho like with this split personality.
Speaker 5: It's like Psycho fight Club.
Speaker 4: But with this one. Let's just hope my sister doesn't
Speaker 4: listen to this episode.
Speaker 5: She don't listen.
Speaker 4: So I used to make the girls at work laugh
Speaker 4: because we worked at the same place. And if she
Speaker 4: does it well, and I would say, you know, my
Speaker 4: sister's got two personalities. You know, she's got her work
Speaker 4: personality and then she's the person that I know and
Speaker 4: sometimes you just have to look at her and wonder,
Speaker 4: is that you, Patricia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of people do this on a lower
Speaker 5: level in their daily lives. They have their friend personality,
Speaker 5: who they are with their friends, their significant other personality,
Speaker 5: their work personality, maybe the personality they are around their kids. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but it's like what Tyler Durton says to Tyler Durton,
Speaker 5: Brad Pitt says to Edward Norton. People do this every day.
Speaker 5: You just had the curse to kind of run with it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that you would say that about this main character in
Speaker 5: the movie Split. He definitely ran with it. And you
Speaker 5: gotta wonder, like he never really gets into how he
Speaker 5: got this way, Like what did he go through? Was
Speaker 5: he a fucking abused person? Obviously? But at what level?
Speaker 13: Was it?
Speaker 5: Like MK ultra type shit?
Speaker 4: Hey, I feel like m Night Shyamalan was inspired by Sybil.
Speaker 5: Okay, and that was supposedly a true story. There's been
Speaker 5: there's been some debate to the mainstream science. People tried
Speaker 5: to call her a fraud. Really, yeah, supposedly.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's fair.
Speaker 5: Supposedly that shit's debunked. What Sybil officially, I don't buy it.
Speaker 4: You don't buy that she had split personality.
Speaker 5: I don't buy the debunking. On NPR in twenty eleven,
Speaker 5: Real Sibyl admits multiple personalities were fake, So that's out there.
Speaker 5: They probably had to make her say that anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say sixteen separate personalities she said
Speaker 4: she had.
Speaker 5: And one of them needed glasses and one of them
Speaker 5: spoke French, and yeah, fake that. I can see the
Speaker 5: influence you're talking about for yeah, able to Split for sure.
Speaker 4: Sybil was going to make my Honorable Mentions list because
Speaker 4: obvious reasons, the same reason why Split made the list.
Speaker 4: But I actually loved this movie a lot when it
Speaker 4: came out. And people talk so much shit about M.
Speaker 4: Knight Shyamalan, but he's made some of my favorite movies
Speaker 4: of all time.
Speaker 5: I would say sixty percent of what M. Knight's done
Speaker 5: is genius and the other forty percent is at least
Speaker 5: worth watching. Yeahah, he doesn't make bad movies. He makes
Speaker 5: some pretty genre driven, cheesy things that are still good
Speaker 5: for what they are, and then he'll make something just
Speaker 5: fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, cosmic peach trivia. What's my favorite M Night Shamalan movie?
Speaker 5: Signs Lady in the Water? Oh I knew that? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I know you knew it about you? The Childhood book
Speaker 5: based on the movie. It was written by Any himself.
Speaker 4: It's so rare find actually, I had never.
Speaker 5: Seen any of this kind of shit. Really, are you
Speaker 5: going to read it to the baby?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But so yeah, Split?
Speaker 5: Are we rating your turn to go first?
Speaker 4: I'm going to give it ten out of ten kooks,
Speaker 4: because damn, I gave it eight eight out of ten.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a solid, solid movie, even though
Speaker 5: the acting is fucking eleven out of ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I gave it.
Speaker 5: Anya included. She did a great job. The big eyed,
Speaker 5: hot woman who's in everything.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: This is the first thing I saw her.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've seen her in anything before that,
Speaker 4: but just from the acting on its own, I give
Speaker 4: it a ten out of tin Kooks and Patricia. You
Speaker 4: can't get past Patricia.
Speaker 5: I would think that this is James McAvoy's best role,
Speaker 5: his Opus. Yeah, and you know, even in the third
Speaker 5: and final installment of the trilogy, Glass, just the master
Speaker 5: class of acting. I would say, watch Split the other
Speaker 5: one the Glass. The conclusion of the story is more
Speaker 5: driven by the supernatural battle. Yeah, the superhero super villain.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of these movies work though,
Speaker 4: because you can so easily mix the paranormal with mental illness.
Speaker 4: And I think that's true in real life. I think
Speaker 4: that there is like the guy who wrote all about
Speaker 4: prophetic shit at the mental institution from the last episode,
Speaker 4: I think there is a parent normal aspect to this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say one of my honorable mentions because
Speaker 5: we're mainly doing movies. We did open with the analysis
Speaker 5: of the second season of American Horse Story, but we've
Speaker 5: brought it up a few times in this series and
Speaker 5: in others. The series Legion really good, kind of obscure
Speaker 5: look into mental illness because it's a very powerful mutant.
Speaker 5: And first they think he's mentally ill, then they think
Speaker 5: he's a mutant, and then they realize he is a
Speaker 5: mentally ill mutant and he's possessed also all that shit
Speaker 5: going on, and he makes for quite a good super
Speaker 5: villain by the time the show's wrapped up.
Speaker 4: But about another mind fucker.
Speaker 5: And it's the first season alone with the institution they're in,
Speaker 5: and it's the X Men universe with the titular character.
Speaker 5: Is it does say that titular the being the illegitimate
Speaker 5: son of Professor Charles Xavier, who is a telekinetic.
Speaker 4: And it is on Hulu if you have it, Yeah,
Speaker 4: worth watching, definitely.
Speaker 5: All right, Well shall we move on, yeah to your
Speaker 5: fourth pick? Well, of course this had to be one
Speaker 5: flew over the Cuckoo's nest. What can you tell me
Speaker 5: about why you've been said over here?
Speaker 9: They think you've been faking it in order to get
Speaker 9: out of your work detail.
Speaker 4: Oh I don't like that kind of guy. You medication time.
Speaker 5: M yum me.
Speaker 4: Do you want to say something of a group, mister
Speaker 4: mc murphy.
Speaker 13: Other thing that I'm a goddamn marvel and modern science.
Speaker 4: I want to watch the ball game baseball. I only
Speaker 4: count nine votes, mister McMurphy. Want that television set turned
Speaker 4: not the cheap.
Speaker 5: That nurse man sit down, he's dangerous.
Speaker 4: How about it?
Speaker 2: You creep you lot.
Speaker 4: You think you're crazy or something. Well you're not, You're not.
Speaker 5: What do you say?
Speaker 4: I mean, what do we say? Because I know it
Speaker 4: was my pick, but you got all the juicy details.
Speaker 5: I mean, and it's you look at Laurel Canyon and
Speaker 5: the more notably the stuff going on in the San
Speaker 5: Francisco area with the Grateful Dead and the CIAA acid
Speaker 5: tests and Ken Kesey and the Mary Pranksters. You get
Speaker 5: this debut novel from Ken Kesey, who was an MK
Speaker 5: ultra participant. He wasn't you know, not wanting to do it.
Speaker 5: He was a college student and he took some LSD
Speaker 5: and he got wrapped up in the CIA aspect of it.
Speaker 5: But he also wrote One Flew Over the cuckoo's nest,
Speaker 5: and the story goes that he was sweeping up you know,
Speaker 5: he had the janitor and the night shift at a
Speaker 5: psych ward and he would go in, flying high on
Speaker 5: government sid and he would make eye contact for extensive
Speaker 5: periods of time with the inmates there, and he would say, like,
Speaker 5: I'm on the this side of the door is the institution.
Speaker 5: These guys are free, kind of like Lisa from Girl
Speaker 5: Interrupted her gratitude. But you know, then you look at
Speaker 5: like the whole aspect of kin Kezy and like, was
Speaker 5: this just a great first novel because then you get
Speaker 5: the Laurel Canyon element of Jack Nicholson starring his R. P. McMurtry,
Speaker 5: who was kN Kesey's alter ego when he was doing
Speaker 5: all this acid inside the mental institution. But as a film,
Speaker 5: and I do got to say, as a book, it's
Speaker 5: completely different because it's told through the perspective of the
Speaker 5: Indian that's pretending to be mute. Oh, so you get
Speaker 5: this Native American perspective on being locked away, and you
Speaker 5: know he's the one who flew over the Koucka's nest
Speaker 5: at the end.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's just got it all definitely.
Speaker 5: The institutionalization and the electroshock therapy Ratchet, they lobotomize his
Speaker 5: ass in the end, he thinks, and juicy Fruit smothers
Speaker 5: him and runs free.
Speaker 4: Right. He thinks that, oh, well, I'll just pretend like
Speaker 4: I'm mentally ill so I can. Yeah, he's dodging it,
Speaker 4: serve out the rest of my time in a He's.
Speaker 5: Dodging a felony of statutory rape if I remember correctly,
Speaker 5: and believes that he can run this fucking shit the
Speaker 5: minute he steps in the door. And then of course
Speaker 5: he's met with the bullheaded nurse Ratchet, and then the
Speaker 5: movie it kind of just becomes a showdown between them.
Speaker 4: It's one of the first movies I watched. Okay, so
Speaker 4: let me just say my dad watched a lot of
Speaker 4: movies that I can't even stand to look at as
Speaker 4: an adult because he would watch them on repeat. One
Speaker 4: Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is one of those movies
Speaker 4: he would watch on repeat. But it was like the
Speaker 4: first one where I didn't mind that he watched it
Speaker 4: so often because I thought it was so good.
Speaker 5: And then you would end up visiting him in similar facilities.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then it became kind of.
Speaker 5: I liked that. They in Wikipedia they call it a
Speaker 5: psychological comedy drama.
Speaker 4: The funny parts to me did not make this a comedy.
Speaker 5: I think it is comedic, and I loved the cast,
Speaker 5: being so many people who would become prominent. You got
Speaker 5: like Danny DeVito playing Martini.
Speaker 4: Fregon State Hospital. I didn't know it was Oregon.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, this is another big thing is Michael Douglas
Speaker 5: was a producer on the movie, and he had to
Speaker 5: turn his dad down because he wanted Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 4: Well, this is the second film in our list with
Speaker 4: Jack Nicholson. Correct, two different forms of mental little.
Speaker 5: And you'd have to put the shining in there at
Speaker 5: some point as an honorable mention.
Speaker 4: Yes and no, right, it's he's yes.
Speaker 5: Honorable mention. Certainly.
Speaker 4: Yes for me, he's paranormally split. Oh, Danny's fucked up though, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I guess that is a.
Speaker 5: The whole fucking thing, all of them.
Speaker 4: Danny's got split personality and.
Speaker 5: He's fucking hallucinating through the whole thing. And there's debates
Speaker 5: over why. Right early, he's got a good theory on it.
Speaker 4: And Whendy's a retard. So you got all three up.
Speaker 5: Well she sure was by the time fucking Kubrick got
Speaker 5: done with her.
Speaker 4: So anyways, this is one of those movies that I
Speaker 4: watched over and over again because my dad would just
Speaker 4: like have it on this and like, uh Legends of
Speaker 4: the Fall or fucking Full Metal Jacket. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I felt I felt weird after I watched it, Like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a very strange feeling you get watching
Speaker 5: this big native guy's mother the protagonist of the movie,
Speaker 5: and then running free.
Speaker 4: But also like knowing that he didn't need to be lobottomized,
Speaker 4: like he did that just to be a bitch.
Speaker 5: Well, she, in his mind, drove this innocent person to
Speaker 5: suicide and he tried choking her out so she'd had enough.
Speaker 5: And yes, she gave him the old Rosemary Kennedy.
Speaker 4: Well he got the Walter Lobato.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had one of the more successful ones. Put
Speaker 5: him in that vegetated state. Very heavy movie. Very I
Speaker 5: also think it's comedic. I mean, and I was mentioning
Speaker 5: an earlier Look, you got Christopher Lloyd and Danny DeVito
Speaker 5: and the guy from Ghost I don't know which one
Speaker 5: of these names. Guys remember him. I love the scene
Speaker 5: where they go out and borrow the boat. This guy,
Speaker 5: Billy Bibbitt.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much I had seen.
Speaker 5: Him, and he's been in He's one of those side
Speaker 5: actors that is in a lot. He was Dorif as
Speaker 5: Billy Bibbott.
Speaker 4: Billy Bibbitt was my most sad character.
Speaker 5: He's in the original Dune Alien Resurrection.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he is in that.
Speaker 5: Blue Velvet David Lynch movie.
Speaker 4: Should we rate it ten? Ten out of ten cooks
Speaker 4: for me?
Speaker 5: I think I'm speaking for everyone.
Speaker 4: Right out of ten Kok's nests.
Speaker 5: So your fifth and final Shutter Island.
Speaker 4: Give you a briefing about the institution. Oh, I know
Speaker 4: it's at hospital, but the criminally insane. We take only
Speaker 4: the most dangerous sandwich patients once no other hospital can manage.
Speaker 4: You are hereby required to surrender your firearms.
Speaker 5: We are dually appointed federal marshals, but during your stay
Speaker 5: you will obey protocol.
Speaker 4: Gentlemen, Welcome to Shutter Islands.
Speaker 2: Rush McDaniels, Octat.
Speaker 9: So this female prisoner, Rachel Solando, escaped sometime in the
Speaker 9: last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: She considered dangerous. You could say that.
Speaker 4: It's eleven miles to the neighest land and the waterst reason.
Speaker 5: We don't know how she got out of her room,
Speaker 5: came back.
Speaker 2: For a midnight round. She was gone.
Speaker 5: This as if she evaporated straight through the wolves.
Speaker 2: It was sixty seven.
Speaker 5: There are a total of what sixty six patients.
Speaker 4: At this facility, That is correct.
Speaker 5: Yes, it seems to me Rachel Solando is suggesting that
Speaker 5: you have a sixty seventh patient. Doctor.
Speaker 2: A lot of people know about this place, but no
Speaker 2: one will talk.
Speaker 5: You know, It's like this skin is something you haven't
Speaker 5: taken any pills.
Speaker 8: Have you seen any wing.
Speaker 5: Nightmare, slaling or shock?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I you know.
Speaker 4: You said you figured it out just by watching the trailer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I blame the trailer people for that. They
Speaker 5: fucking made it obvious enough in the.
Speaker 4: Trailer, so I had no backstory. When I watched this
Speaker 4: at the theater with my mom, I think she just
Speaker 4: it was one of those times she said, there's a
Speaker 4: scary movie. I want to go see it. You know,
Speaker 4: I just let the movie play out. I didn't see
Speaker 4: it coming while I watched the movie. I hadn't seen
Speaker 4: a trailer. But if you watch it one time, any
Speaker 4: other time, you watch it, it's obvious from the beginning.
Speaker 4: It's notice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and just you know, when this movie came out,
Speaker 5: the whole and Fight Club kind of resurfaced this oh
Speaker 5: it's this is going on kind of trope, and like
Speaker 5: these big twists were huge, and so I kind of
Speaker 5: looked at every trailer back then, going oh, is this
Speaker 5: gonna be one of those big twists, And it just
Speaker 5: looked like from the trailer that that was the big twist.
Speaker 5: And for those of you who haven't seen it, spoiler alert.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 5: It makes it look like what he's investigating, but ends
Speaker 5: up that he's an inmate there and they're just letting
Speaker 5: him do this to try to heal.
Speaker 4: Him, to try to bring back his because he has
Speaker 4: like the memory last thing like Momento.
Speaker 5: It's almost like the number twenty three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, woo honorable mention number twenty three. Also well, I mean,
Speaker 4: if you haven't seen Shutter Island, it's available on Hulu
Speaker 4: right now, and like I said, if you've seen it once,
Speaker 4: you'll be able to see throughout the entire movie that
Speaker 4: this was a setup and that he's actually a crazy guy.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it five out of ten kokes, give
Speaker 4: it seven. Will you're being general?
Speaker 5: I like Scorsese, I love DiCaprio. I love when they
Speaker 5: pair up. This might be my least favorite of theirs.
Speaker 5: I'm also gonna throw in another honorable mention that I
Speaker 5: would have picked if Julie had seen this movie, But
Speaker 5: another Squarsese DiCaprio film would be Aviator. The Aviator with
Speaker 5: uh DiCaprio portraying Howard Hughes.
Speaker 4: I've never seen it. Unfortunately.
Speaker 5: I thought that should have been the movie that DiCaprio
Speaker 5: got an Oscar for.
Speaker 4: What do you get an oscar for?
Speaker 5: The movie where he's alling through the snow cold the
Speaker 5: whole fucking time after almost getting eaten.
Speaker 4: By a bar based on the book.
Speaker 5: Well, it's based on a real account. But yes, The Revenant.
Speaker 4: Ah, I've never seen that either.
Speaker 5: It's fucking worth watching. The movie is amazing, the cinematography,
Speaker 5: the directing, the uh one of my favorite actors, Tom Hardy,
Speaker 5: really fucking good in it. But it's just not the
Speaker 5: performance that I thought was Oscar worthy, even though.
Speaker 4: You're forgetting one that we watched just for this episode,
Speaker 4: Revolutionary Road.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted you to watch it. Revolutionary Road For
Speaker 5: those who haven't seen it. It's when the fucking dream Team,
Speaker 5: as far as most teenage girls at the time are
Speaker 5: concerned of Leonardo and Kate Winslet from Titanic pair back
Speaker 5: up for Revolutionary Road. But the main or the best
Speaker 5: character in the whole movie is just a guy who's
Speaker 5: been in a mental institution and he kind of sees
Speaker 5: the world in a logical way that meets the fantastical
Speaker 5: notions of the of the pair in this movie. But
Speaker 5: it's a fucking taxing watch.
Speaker 4: I would say I enjoyed it, and we had some
Speaker 4: great conversations about it after we watched it.
Speaker 5: Well, you know another movie that kept coming up when
Speaker 5: I was like looking over lists of movies about mental
Speaker 5: illness for some reason, What's Eating Gilbert Great Grape kept
Speaker 5: coming up?
Speaker 4: He's recharging. I guess, Wow, Benny and June came up.
Speaker 5: To Benny and June was gonna be one of my
Speaker 5: honorable mentions at the end of this. But since it's
Speaker 5: coming up now, Yeah, you got Johnny Depp and Mary
Speaker 5: Stuart Masterson. Great movie. I think it's probably one of
Speaker 5: my favorite romantic comedies.
Speaker 4: Well, I said they're both kooks, and you said only
Speaker 4: June is a kook.
Speaker 5: Johnny Depp is not mentally ill.
Speaker 4: We will let the listeners decide, because I think he's
Speaker 4: a little kooky.
Speaker 5: He's eccentric, he's quirky, but he's not in the condition
Speaker 5: she's in.
Speaker 4: He's a little kooky though he's out there. Yeah, two
Speaker 4: Cook's in love. That's Benny Cook and Cook.
Speaker 5: I just wouldn't call him legitimately mentally ill.
Speaker 4: Cookie and Cook.
Speaker 5: Even though he's sitting in a bathtub in the scene
Speaker 5: where the older brother tells he's like wow, mentally ill
Speaker 5: and he's sitting in the bathtub.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's.
Speaker 5: Some of the best acting Johnny Depp's done, as far
Speaker 5: as like taking on these Charlie Chaplin Buster Keaton type
Speaker 5: things and doing the little dance with the dinner rolls
Speaker 5: scene in the park. Well, we're getting tolerable mentions. But
Speaker 5: I still have my last pick. And I was picking
Speaker 5: between two movies, and I let Cheerlea be the tiebreaker.
Speaker 5: I was going with either Bennie and June or the
Speaker 5: cable Guy. Raw ended up going with the cable guy.
Speaker 5: We got a little dark comedy.
Speaker 4: Table guy.
Speaker 6: Let's do this slip the cable guy, fifty bucks, You'll
Speaker 6: give you all the movie channels for free.
Speaker 2: You're offering me a bride.
Speaker 12: What you have just done is illegal and in this
Speaker 12: state of convicted, you could be fined up to five
Speaker 12: thousand dollars or spend six months in a correctional.
Speaker 4: For so all day.
Speaker 5: Oh please, no, that was done.
Speaker 12: I'm just I'm just making conversations, Darland of the Last.
Speaker 12: I just don't have any woman in my life brand
Speaker 12: news for head.
Speaker 5: So what are you trying to say?
Speaker 9: I'm here for you.
Speaker 4: Don't do that.
Speaker 5: You're gonna get me too.
Speaker 6: Oh really, Jim Carey, Matthew Brothery, table guy, Okay, God,
Speaker 6: thank god?
Speaker 5: And what would you call him obsessive?
Speaker 4: Uh? I would say he's got schizophrenia and separation anxiety.
Speaker 5: And for those of you who don't know, this was
Speaker 5: a Ben Stiller film directing and he does the cameo
Speaker 5: as the homage to the Menindez Brothers going on throughout
Speaker 5: the movie. Brilliant movie. Highly underrated as far as the
Speaker 5: stuff Jim Carrey was putting it out before and after this.
Speaker 4: I definitely talked about it in my Jim Carrey series
Speaker 4: because it was I think it's Misunderstood, Misunderstood Jim Carrey film.
Speaker 5: I think it's one of the better ones he did
Speaker 5: in the nineties. Yeah, but as far as acting goes,
Speaker 5: I think it's telling a wider story, you know, Chip Douglas,
Speaker 5: which ended up just being a pseudonym that he picked.
Speaker 5: This guy's obsessed with TV too. I love the element
Speaker 5: of him growing up on TV and then becoming a
Speaker 5: cable guy who stocks people.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Jack Black has a memorable role, even though it's smaller.
Speaker 5: Already mentioned Ben Steeller's cameo. Of course, Matthew Broderick being
Speaker 5: the victim and this was produced by jud Appatau and
Speaker 5: his wife in Her Life, Leslie Mann is in it.
Speaker 5: Good movie, good laughs. Kind of makes you think, too well,
Speaker 5: what I said.
Speaker 4: What I think he has? What do you think he has?
Speaker 4: You agree?
Speaker 5: I wouldn't call him like a full blown schizo from
Speaker 5: my armstair chair position in the in the movie theater,
Speaker 5: but I would say he's psychotic, he's stocking, he's dangerous,
Speaker 5: he's obsessive, he.
Speaker 4: Has think he has separation anxiety.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was raised by the television.
Speaker 4: This was This is a good one too, because I've
Speaker 4: actually met some people who get like weird like that
Speaker 4: when they try to be your friend. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 4: like you feel sorry for him because you can't be
Speaker 4: their friend anymore once they've crossed over into the fucking
Speaker 4: abyss you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and I'm not
Speaker 4: talking about like dudes trying to like no, no, we
Speaker 4: were talking about my tree, like.
Speaker 5: In this scenario with the cable guy, like hetero friendship
Speaker 5: seekers and then they kind of cling on and you
Speaker 5: kind of have to start ignoring them and all that shit.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and you feel bad because it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: they start trying to almost imitate you and shit like that.
Speaker 5: Or we're talking like single white female. Yeah have you
Speaker 5: seen that? Yeah, that's a good one. And you know
Speaker 5: this one was kind of like that, but a dark
Speaker 5: comedy instead of a full on thriller.
Speaker 4: They say that what did they say about something or
Speaker 4: other is the most sincere form of flattery imitation imitation,
Speaker 4: but fuck that because it's creey at times. Really, it's
Speaker 4: not like, oh, Julia likes to wear band t shirts
Speaker 4: and now I feel like maybe I want to get
Speaker 4: a couple. It'll be like they they change their personality
Speaker 4: to like become you and stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh, you just made me think of a great honorable mention.
Speaker 5: What talented mister Ripley. It was one of Matt Damon's
Speaker 5: early roles and I've seen that playing opposite of Jude
Speaker 5: Law and it's got Philip Seymour Hoffman in it. But
Speaker 5: he basically becomes obsessed. The Matt Damon character becomes obsessed
Speaker 5: with Jude Law and he kills him and then becomes him. Yes,
Speaker 5: he takes his identity.
Speaker 4: That's why you can't be friends with those kind of people.
Speaker 4: Once you see the red flags, you've got to just
Speaker 4: ghost them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it was in that particular movie, which often happens,
Speaker 5: is he was obsessed and wanting to be his best
Speaker 5: friend and then the denial happens and then he snaps
Speaker 5: and kills him. Yeah, you know, the Cable Guy kind
Speaker 5: of went down similar avenues and ends up being resolved
Speaker 5: and funny. And at the end of the movie he's
Speaker 5: even moved on to another victim of the ambulance driver.
Speaker 5: He's like, hey, what's your name? He gets that lock
Speaker 5: in his eyes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this one I'm given to him out of Jenkinkes.
Speaker 5: For what it is and all that I give it a.
Speaker 4: Solid nine nine out of ten.
Speaker 5: Koukes honorable mentions that also were in contention for this
Speaker 5: final slot of mind another Jim Carrey movie Me, Myself
Speaker 5: and Irene would have been too similar as far as
Speaker 5: some of the other picks go. Psycho Split, Fight Club.
Speaker 4: I uh just had one pop into my head. Fatal Attraction.
Speaker 4: What do you think she's got besides Scott A Rhea.
Speaker 5: She just has no ability for reason or accountability?
Speaker 4: How did she rise in the ranks of her company
Speaker 4: being that psychotic?
Speaker 5: I could tell you I've seen that movie maybe once
Speaker 5: all the way through.
Speaker 4: Are you serious?
Speaker 5: We're talking Glenn.
Speaker 4: Close right, yeah, horse face.
Speaker 5: It's that fucking type cast character that Michael Douglas got
Speaker 5: stuck in for a while. My fucking basic instinct.
Speaker 4: Well, me and my mom watched Fatal Attractions.
Speaker 5: Disclosure the time. Yeah, remember the dead Bunny and shit?
Speaker 4: Well, so, uh we mentioned Bennie and June. Another Johnny
Speaker 4: Depp honorable mention is Secret Window. I know that you
Speaker 4: didn't love that one.
Speaker 5: I didn't hate it. I had read the short story,
Speaker 5: or maybe it was a full length novel, I don't
Speaker 5: really remember, but it was based on the Stephen King's
Speaker 5: work and they kind of took it was almost like
Speaker 5: with the Shining, like they took this where it's actually
Speaker 5: like a haunting possession type thing to where it's a
Speaker 5: full on, like multiple skitso kind of thing. Yeah, Johnny
Speaker 5: Depp and of course what's his name from? Oh brother
Speaker 5: art though John Titureu.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Pete.
Speaker 5: Pet turned him into a horned toe. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think we may have gone over all my honorable mentions.
Speaker 5: You have any others?
Speaker 4: I have two others, and then we can just sum
Speaker 4: up our final thoughts.
Speaker 5: Oh I do have one more? What so you go first?
Speaker 4: Well American Psycho.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did talk about maybe that would end up
Speaker 5: on the list for one of us. Really fucking you know,
Speaker 5: I almost regret not having it up there. I love
Speaker 5: American because they pick this thing that you think it
Speaker 5: is and then it's even like debated on whether he
Speaker 5: imagined it or not, but obviously debated.
Speaker 4: But to me, I think it's a better ending if
Speaker 4: it is imagined, don't you?
Speaker 5: Oh it is, and to me that's what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Like I can't be persuaded that he really was a
Speaker 5: killer and they just covered it up because he's rich, right,
Speaker 5: So some people think yeah, but like they're they're like
Speaker 5: telling him that he didn't do it because he's too
Speaker 5: high up, like they're supposed to let him rise, which
Speaker 5: is an element that would be cool.
Speaker 4: But I just feel like that's too surface level for me.
Speaker 5: No, it seems to be that heid yeah being that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: And we did just watch another movie from the Patrick
Speaker 5: Bateman universe, based on another novel of his Rules of Attraction,
Speaker 5: where one of the main characters is the brother of
Speaker 5: Patrick Bateman, and that's a fun movie. Roger Avery, the
Speaker 5: guy that helped Tarantina write pulp Fiction, wrote and directed that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, i'd say American Psycho ten, ten out of
Speaker 5: ten out of ten. I guess we're rating in down.
Speaker 5: But I did have another one, Pie. It's an indie
Speaker 5: movie shot on sixteen millimeter film. It's the debut of
Speaker 5: the guy that made Recquen for a Dream.
Speaker 4: And well, I definitely haven't seen that.
Speaker 5: It's about a mathematician who's trying to crack the code
Speaker 5: of everything, and he initially thinks he can. He's a
Speaker 5: mathematician guy, and he thinks that he can control this,
Speaker 5: or at least predict the stock market. If he comes
Speaker 5: up with this number, then he starts seeing no, it's
Speaker 5: a number that is the equation of everything. And then
Speaker 5: he starts getting into like old Testament.
Speaker 4: Even so it's like twenty three, like self induced psychosis.
Speaker 5: Well, he gives himself of the botomy with a drill
Speaker 5: at the end.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, and it starts to become very what. He
Speaker 4: gives himself all the bottomi with this.
Speaker 5: With a drill, and then he just sits in the
Speaker 5: park not thinking about the number of God. He cracked
Speaker 5: the code of God and lost his mind.
Speaker 4: For this is again why I say it's hard to
Speaker 4: pick movies that impress you. You're watching some shit on
Speaker 4: a whole.
Speaker 5: This is Darren Ronofsky, who made another good movie mother.
Speaker 5: Did you see that? Yes, that's that's him. That's the
Speaker 5: rectum for a dream guy.
Speaker 4: I was disturbed by it.
Speaker 5: Loved that movie. I wouldn't say it falls into mental illness.
Speaker 5: Now the whole other brand of fucking absurdity. So you
Speaker 5: said you had one more honorable mention.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the Changeling with Angelina Jolie. Circle back to
Speaker 4: Girl Interrupted, another Angelina Jolie movie.
Speaker 5: We're talking gas lit and driven driven insanity, hair.
Speaker 4: Ass lit driven insanity. Wow, that movie is for me
Speaker 4: ten out of ten kooks. They lock her ass up
Speaker 4: because she won't admit that they've replaced her kid with
Speaker 4: a kid that's not hers, Like, you know, you grew
Speaker 4: it in your body for nine months, you've stared at
Speaker 4: their face for years. They go missing. One day, the
Speaker 4: cops drop off a random kid and they're like, no,
Speaker 4: you're crazy if you think this isn't your kid. Literally
Speaker 4: based on a true story, by the way.
Speaker 5: And brilliantly directed by Clint Eastwood, and uh, I need
Speaker 5: to watch it again. I've seen it once.
Speaker 4: Ended up being a victim of a serial killer right
Speaker 4: who was raping and pedophile and all over town, and
Speaker 4: they still had her locked up in the mental institution
Speaker 4: because she wouldn't say this random kid they brought to
Speaker 4: her house was their kid.
Speaker 5: Well, it became a cover or ass type thing after that.
Speaker 4: But anyways, that was so just an honorable mention because
Speaker 4: the scene where they're like taking her away and knowing
Speaker 4: it's based on a true story, you would feel completely
Speaker 4: and utterly helpless at that point, like you know, that's
Speaker 4: not your kid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I've got one final honorable mention, what Erase
Speaker 5: her Head?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, thanks.
Speaker 5: If you can watch that movie without becoming mentally ill
Speaker 5: for at least ten minutes after you're done with it,
Speaker 5: you are gifted. And we are going to watch this
Speaker 5: after you after birth, probably after he's out of infancy,
Speaker 5: because it crosses over. Oh god, it's yeah, it's it's
Speaker 5: something else. But anybody who's seen eraserr Head you'll know
Speaker 5: why it's an honorable mention. And with that said, I
Speaker 5: don't know, we're gonna wrap up talking about like maybe
Speaker 5: the element of cinemania and what's going on today with
Speaker 5: our technology and the fetishization of being biodivergent not biodepe
Speaker 5: what do they call it neuro divergent?
Speaker 4: Well for me, yeah, that'll be our final thoughts on him.
Speaker 5: I just thought of one more honorable mention. What twelve Monkeys.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've seen that.
Speaker 5: It's the guy that made beer and loading in Las Vegas.
Speaker 5: It's got Bruce Wilson Brad Pitt, and he's a time
Speaker 5: traveler that goes back after the future or the present
Speaker 5: day has been wiped out by a plague. He goes
Speaker 5: back to get information. Bruce Willis ends up in a
Speaker 5: mental institution because he's telling people he came from the
Speaker 5: year or whatever, and he goes back to ninety six
Speaker 5: and he gets in there and Brad Pitt's this fucking
Speaker 5: psychotic guy. It shows so many compellion elements of like
Speaker 5: mental illness, because Bruce Willis's character starts to think he
Speaker 5: is mentally ill and he's not really a time traveler.
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of good stuff in there anyway.
Speaker 4: Out of ten kukes for you, oh for sure, there
Speaker 4: are probably so many that were forgetting emails.
Speaker 5: We could go on for hours.
Speaker 4: But I did want to kind of sum up our
Speaker 4: final thoughts with the fetishization of claiming that you're mentally ill,
Speaker 4: self diagnosed, self diagnosing, you've never you've never.
Speaker 5: Taken Everybody has anxiety and for some reason it's the
Speaker 5: new thing to have at the debilitating level. And I
Speaker 5: don't think it's all fake.
Speaker 4: Well no, but I was going to say you've never.
Speaker 4: People will just say stuff and it's like, have you
Speaker 4: ever really, like, have you well been diagnosed? Like I
Speaker 4: just and it's not that I put a lot of
Speaker 4: stock into what psychiatrists and psychologists will just like say, oh,
Speaker 4: you have borderline personalities. Like, I get it. I don't
Speaker 4: put much stock into that, but people will just literally
Speaker 4: walk around being like, oh, I can't do that because
Speaker 4: I'm all get triggered. I have this, I have that,
Speaker 4: And it's like, do you really or are you just
Speaker 4: a fucking asshole.
Speaker 5: Oh, there's a lot of that going on, and the
Speaker 5: mental contagion. You know, a lot of this transissue stuff
Speaker 5: can be lumped into what's going on today because of
Speaker 5: a lot of the psyops with the school shootings and uh,
Speaker 5: just it's one of the most divisive things going on
Speaker 5: right now. Some people look at it as a normal phenomenon.
Speaker 5: Some people look at it as a mental illness, and yeah,
Speaker 5: it is trendy to be fucked up in the head,
Speaker 5: when in fact we don't really need that much help.
Speaker 5: And I just was looking at this study or reading
Speaker 5: about it the other day about the effect that just
Speaker 5: chat GPT since its arrival is having on younger users,
Speaker 5: and I mean, don't get it. It's talking people into
Speaker 5: killing themselves. Have you seen that. It's like a times
Speaker 5: in the last few months I've seen it pop up.
Speaker 4: I think that there's a darkness to it. But I mean,
Speaker 4: even besides that, I do think people need to understand that,
Speaker 4: to some degree, it's normal to just have some dark
Speaker 4: thoughts every now and again and not be fucking one
Speaker 4: flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've talked about the element of it a lot
Speaker 5: in the last episode. But there's a whole industry of
Speaker 5: people waiting for you out there just to label you
Speaker 5: insane or convince you you're insane for nefarious reasons.
Speaker 4: But do you think, like with the mk ultra doctor
Speaker 4: that was doing all that stuff in Canada, she had
Speaker 4: postpartum depression. This is a normal thing. This is a biological.
Speaker 5: Thing, anxiety.
Speaker 4: My sister and one other person that I won't mention
Speaker 4: their name have told me that after they had their baby,
Speaker 4: they hated their husband and had thoughts of leaving them
Speaker 4: and or killing them.
Speaker 5: Can't wait.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying, like, you don't need to get electroshock
Speaker 4: therapy because you have a totally normal biological thing, Like
Speaker 4: it's okay to have some fucking dark thoughts every day.
Speaker 5: And again, Well fucking better be or else I am fucked.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying like Dexter style dark Passenger fucking well.
Speaker 5: And also, if you're having those thoughts, it's one thing
Speaker 5: to have them, it's an entirely other thing to act
Speaker 5: on them. It's not a fucking crime to fantasize about
Speaker 5: doing horrible things. It is, on the other hand, of
Speaker 5: crime to bring those things to fruition.
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of people calling into work though
Speaker 4: for mental health those that's become a new thing.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's been a real challenge as far as me.
Speaker 5: I have been in charge of hiring people for the
Speaker 5: last couple of years. And if that's a question while
Speaker 5: I'm interviewing you, is how many how would you feel
Speaker 5: about mental health days? And instead of saying, well, are
Speaker 5: you going to make it a normal thing? I just
Speaker 5: ask them what they mean by it, And yeah, that
Speaker 5: has become a thing. And it's like call in sick.
Speaker 5: I don't give a shit. But if you need a
Speaker 5: mental health day every couple of weeks, then you're not
Speaker 5: reliable because of that. Then I might have to pass you.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying there's people who don't need mental
Speaker 5: health days or that there aren't those people. There certainly are.
Speaker 5: But now it's like you.
Speaker 4: Said, it's a generation of pussies.
Speaker 5: Well, entire workforces are actually putting them in the A
Speaker 5: lot of days now that you can have off, I.
Speaker 4: Think you should. I think that the way that the
Speaker 4: work system is set up with like eight hours at
Speaker 4: home and or eight hours at work and four hours
Speaker 4: at home, it's fucking sucks. And then you just live
Speaker 4: for the weekend where you have a couple of days.
Speaker 4: You yourself not really Sunday because you're thinking about having
Speaker 4: to go to work all day the next your choice.
Speaker 5: You don't have to sit there and waste Sunday thinking
Speaker 5: about Monday.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I get it mental health days, but
Speaker 4: it's like a generation of people who think they are
Speaker 4: entitled to that. Now I'm mentally ill, so I can't.
Speaker 5: Do X y Z. I can't or I will go
Speaker 5: mentally ill if I don't have my mental health days.
Speaker 5: Or I know people who struggle fucking mentally and are
Speaker 5: traumatized and they go to work and they suffer through
Speaker 5: it because they know that this is how jobs work.
Speaker 5: It's like for every fucking ten people that really have it,
Speaker 5: there's one hundred who don't, and they're the ones asking
Speaker 5: for the mental health and there's yeah, it's just another
Speaker 5: way to not have to work when you don't feel
Speaker 5: like it. And then for some people, yeah, they're suffering
Speaker 5: through every fucking day they're at work.
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of people on Facebook that
Speaker 4: are my age group women in particular, patting themselves on
Speaker 4: the back for having mental illness. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe I'm just old fashioned in this way, but they'll
Speaker 4: post pictures of their house a mess, like disgusting, like
Speaker 4: fucking hoarder type looking shit, and they're like, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to make a mental health post for all you
Speaker 4: ladies out there. It's okay sometimes if you can't if
Speaker 4: you just can't mustard to clean your house today, or
Speaker 4: it's okay if you just can't take care of your
Speaker 4: kids today, or it's okay if you just can't be
Speaker 4: the best version of yourself today. And my mom did
Speaker 4: have like some weird fucking anxiety shit where she couldn't
Speaker 4: even like get her hair cut because when they put
Speaker 4: the cape on her, she'd have a freak out and
Speaker 4: have to take like three xan X just to calm down.
Speaker 4: Never once, she kept the house immaculately clean, washed the
Speaker 4: sheets all the time, did all this. She never once
Speaker 4: said I need a mental health day, can't take you
Speaker 4: to school, or cook for you or clean the house up.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just is this a generational.
Speaker 5: Thing or I mean it's become normalized and I do
Speaker 5: think the.
Speaker 4: Easiest version of yourself and just get a pass.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, that the world as we know it this
Speaker 5: day and age is right for the picking for that
Speaker 5: kind of mentality, and it is encouraged and it's taken
Speaker 5: advantage of. And you know, like I said, it's kind
Speaker 5: of like what you're saying with your mom for every
Speaker 5: real fucking h what's the word I'm looking for, Like
Speaker 5: inflicted person who's working their ass off to keep their
Speaker 5: shit together, taking care of the responsibilities. There's people who
Speaker 5: are just gonna know that they can. It'll slide if
Speaker 5: they use those words mental health day. I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 5: not the best version of myself most days. You know,
Speaker 5: when I'm being the best version of myself, that's a
Speaker 5: fucking special moment. And I don't expect that to be
Speaker 5: the norm. It doesn't mean I'm mentally ill. It just
Speaker 5: means it's fuck my life's real. Yeah, And yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't know. I've fucking felt like walking out of work
Speaker 5: more times than I care to count. But I'm not
Speaker 5: going to and I'm not saying I'm inflicted or it's
Speaker 5: just like you said earlier, this is trendy and pushed
Speaker 5: and it's meant to have a debilitated populace. So of
Speaker 5: course this is one angle that they have you chosen
Speaker 5: to use to get people under their thumb.
Speaker 4: I just feel like people think if their life doesn't
Speaker 4: look like a real on Faceboo Booker, Instagram or TikTok,
Speaker 4: that they get depressed about it and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: my life doesn't look like this stuff I see on
Speaker 4: social media. So I'm so.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna swing that pendulum all the other way,
Speaker 5: because yeah, I was thinking about that element of it
Speaker 5: when you mentioned the Facebook thing the first time. Was
Speaker 5: a lot of people make their life look fake good
Speaker 5: on social media. The other people are embracing this, like
Speaker 5: is anybody just like taking a picture of their poop
Speaker 5: in the morning and being like, just had my coffee.
Speaker 5: This is a good one, like real, just everyday shit,
Speaker 5: like or look at those chunks of meat on the mirror.
Speaker 5: I just flossed out. Now I'm gonna walk my dog
Speaker 5: and get in a fight with the dog's neighbor. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna take a picture of that. Like, No, it's either
Speaker 5: like you're you're setting up a narrative of what your life,
Speaker 5: what you want it to look like. Whether it's like
Speaker 5: for me, I don't have the energy to fucking pick
Speaker 5: up the house today and my kids aren't gonna get
Speaker 5: a good dinner because it's okay to not be the best.
Speaker 1: You try, you can try, but yeah, and my heart
Speaker 1: goes up to those people who can't function because they're
Speaker 1: debilitated by some fucking horrible mental affliction.
Speaker 4: I just th thing goes on social media, though everything goes.
Speaker 5: I think people who document their lives on a regular
Speaker 5: basis on social media are legitimately insane. Yeah, same, so sorry.
Speaker 4: Pictures of your own fucking face? Do you need to
Speaker 4: look at how people look at before you feel validated?
Speaker 5: Or even the more fucked up people plastering their kids
Speaker 5: all over the fucking main source of what pedophiles you
Speaker 5: use for victim Like, I remember how common it was
Speaker 5: using dating websites for women to be plastering their kids'
Speaker 5: faces on their profiles, And that's insane to me. The
Speaker 5: Internet legitimately is just a pool of insanity.
Speaker 4: So there is the reason I mention it is because
Speaker 4: there's levels to this shit. Obviously, not everybody is coming
Speaker 4: out and saying like there are some that are more
Speaker 4: fetishized than others, because you wouldn't say like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: so proud to be schizophrenic, I'm.
Speaker 5: So proud to be a chronic masturbator. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying anal dig on Sundays. It's the Nietzsche ones like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's just a lot of kids have a
Speaker 5: d D because it's so quick to label him that
Speaker 5: put him in the pipeline of that thing. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 5: to wrap up on my end of this whole conversation,
Speaker 5: I just everything we've talked about. I wanted to close
Speaker 5: out with the quote by C. William King, and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be honest here, and I don't know who he is, okay,
Speaker 5: but I love the quote and it's been embellished and
Speaker 5: you know, spun off in other ways. You've probably heard it,
Speaker 5: but it is and in an insane world, a sane
Speaker 5: man must appear insane. And that wraps up my thoughts
Speaker 5: on insanity you're.
Speaker 4: Gonna get that tatted on your biele.
Speaker 5: No, I got it tatted right here backwards so I
Speaker 5: can see it in the mirror like a memento.
Speaker 4: That is a good quote.
Speaker 5: What are your closing thoughts?
Speaker 4: My closing thoughts are, like I said, there's levels to
Speaker 4: this shit. People think it's cute to like have some
Speaker 4: form of mental illness. I think that life is hard, okay.
Speaker 4: I think that people have completely lost coping mechanisms.
Speaker 5: Take up cigarettes like normal people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do that, or I don't know.
Speaker 5: Or as Joe Rogan says, just exercise and hit the
Speaker 5: SNA and the cold plunge and do whim hof breathing
Speaker 5: and jiu jitsu, or you.
Speaker 4: Could do that. I just think that our societ is
Speaker 4: set up for instant gratification on every level, including pharmaceuticals. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know you're fat, Inject this ozipic. You're depressed, take
Speaker 4: an antidepressant, and if that doesn't work, we have an
Speaker 4: antidepressant booster you can try. Oh you have anxiety, take this?
Speaker 4: Oh you like? Trump wants to put all the homeless
Speaker 4: people in fucking Laurel Wood encampments to get filed away.
Speaker 4: I mean it's just our society is not set up
Speaker 4: in any way, shape or form to help people understand
Speaker 4: their own minds. And I think, like I said before,
Speaker 4: there's a spiritual and paranormal aspect to this. What if
Speaker 4: you're like, this is gonna just be my last little
Speaker 4: tangent and then I'm done. But you know that one
Speaker 4: goes show I watch?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the one the Dead Files. Oh, that one,
Speaker 5: because they're not just one where she gets.
Speaker 4: Like the psychic lady goes to their house and she'll
Speaker 4: like tell them what all ghosts are in their house
Speaker 4: and like how they could be affecting the living people.
Speaker 4: Do you remember me watching that?
Speaker 5: I don't watch this. I've seen you watch it. I've
Speaker 5: noticed the woman has dead eyes. I don't believe her.
Speaker 5: I don't believe any of it. Just listen, I believe ghosts.
Speaker 5: I don't believe in ghost shows.
Speaker 4: All right. I'm just saying the concept of that show.
Speaker 4: What if people are literally being oppressed by an interdimensional
Speaker 4: realm that we have no understanding of, and they misunderstand
Speaker 4: it as anxiety and depression.
Speaker 5: That's what scientologists say. Really agnostics say, yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: it's an misunderstood force has us held captive, and that
Speaker 5: is the basis of a lot of these newer religions.
Speaker 4: Do you think that could be true in a way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the people writing the religions are the one
Speaker 5: doing it. But then they give us the story of
Speaker 5: Xenu or the story of the Demiurge. But basically those
Speaker 5: things are metaphors. I mean, look at the matrix. These
Speaker 5: are things that are metaphors. It's a misunderstood force and
Speaker 5: that's the reason we are this way.
Speaker 4: I just think that we're surrounded by this other realm
Speaker 4: at all times, and we could be afflicted by things
Speaker 4: that cause mental illness, and even on a smaller scale,
Speaker 4: maybe you're not as sensitive to being affected by it,
Speaker 4: but like anxiety, depression, dark thoughts, it's like it could
Speaker 4: literally be coming from not you.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I believe that. I believe that sometimes when
Speaker 5: you're in the flow state and you're writing, whether it's words,
Speaker 5: you know, script to a podcast, a song, whatever it is,
Speaker 5: if you just get in that flow state, yeah, it's
Speaker 5: literally feels as though you're channeling. And I got to
Speaker 5: think that if you can channel good things, you can
Speaker 5: channel bad things, you can channel anything in between, and yeah.
Speaker 5: I do think a lot of this insanity comes from
Speaker 5: that for sure. Whether that makes me a scientologist or
Speaker 5: a gnostic, I doubt, but they do run with those
Speaker 5: notions of.
Speaker 4: Truth behind every big scam I guess. But thanks for
Speaker 4: joining me for this series. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Do you feel you're welcome?
Speaker 4: Do you feel more or less insane after covering.
Speaker 5: This neither same amount of insane.
Speaker 4: I feel like I learned some stuff that.
Speaker 5: Oh, it was very fun researching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like I learned
Speaker 4: some stuff I would have never imagined to find. Actually,
Speaker 4: but we'll keep you posted on the bonus episode depends
Speaker 4: if I have a baby hanging halfway out my badge
Speaker 4: or not, if we could get that accomplished.
Speaker 5: If it's hanging three quarters of the way out, we'll
Speaker 5: probably squeeze in an episode.
Speaker 4: Squeeze in an episode if it's just.
Speaker 5: Like barely getting there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this has been a really fun series. Do
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Speaker 5: Conspiracy? Playtime? Find it wherever? Yeah, that's not why I
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Speaker 5: if you don't like me and when I'm with Julia,
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Speaker 4: And he has an only fans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's on hiatus right now. My butthole doesn't
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Speaker 5: It's late.
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