WEBVTT 1 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:22.879 We got to think about Earth Agents as a tool, 2 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:26.519 a tool that you listen to to get the latest 3 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.320 from around the world. And I'm really happy to say 4 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:33.920 that I've been working diligently. Our team has been working 5 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.719 diligently to pull from a variety of resources around the world. 6 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:42.960 We have a really amazing land up coming in this summer. 7 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:48.359 We have French, and we have British, we have Egyptian 8 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:54.920 and South America. We have a variety of scholars from 9 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:58.359 around the world, and we continue to pull from these 10 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:02.920 people to hear the latest. And I'm really proud of 11 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:08.799 the ability to offer not just home based material, but 12 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:15.200 material that's from around the globe and news making data. Now, 13 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.560 one of the aspects of that venture is this new 14 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.519 satellite scanning. Now we've talked about SARCE, the synthetic aperture 15 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:28.799 radar work that's been going on, but I recently discovered 16 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:33.560 through Trevor Grassy. We remember Trevor and William Brown were 17 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:37.640 on the program talking about scans that William had done 18 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:43.519 twenty years ago, and they're kind of being a cover 19 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:51.439 up or a non disclosure of the scans to the Orthodox. 20 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:51.719 To. 21 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.159 The Antiquities Department of Egypt and they just basically squelched it. 22 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.680 They they didn't present anything. But if you haven't seen 23 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:07.400 the satellite scans of the Caffrey and Cufu Pyramid, you 24 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:09.520 gotta do. You got to take a look at him. 25 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.400 You can see him on the Earth Ancient's Facebook page. 26 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:17.639 But what makes this discovery, this use of this satellite 27 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:22.599 imagery so compelling, is that it makes us want to 28 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:26.159 verify it. And if we can't verify it with the 29 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:30.000 known data, then we got to use new technology and 30 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:37.280 apparatus to check and see if we can validate the scans. Hey, 31 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.199 this is Cliff your host of Earth Ancients. Hope you're 32 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.479 doing great today. We have a new scan that I 33 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.280 just discovered and it's going to be part of a 34 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:50.680 interview with Trevor Grassi, Wayam Brown and a new team member, 35 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:54.680 I should say satellite team member who happened to scan 36 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:01.400 the Hawara Pyramid. I think it's been ten years now now. 37 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:06.240 If you're not familiar with the Hawara Pyramid, it is 38 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:11.879 located in southern Egypt and it's noted for an underground 39 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:16.479 labyrinth that Herodotus the Greek I guess you could call 40 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:21.439 him an early filled researcher or archaeologist for his time 41 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.080 a couple thousand years ago stated and talked about it, 42 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:29.159 and he may have gone into a portion of it. 43 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:34.960 Even though it was in severely ruinous state, he did 44 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.680 make his way in through it, and he spoke to 45 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:43.599 the Egyptian priesthood and others and came back with a real, 46 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:52.039 real major discovery for his time that influenced people like Petrie, 47 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:56.560 who was the father of Egyptology, who also commented on 48 00:03:56.599 --> 00:04:00.120 this labyrinth and was able to see aspects of it 49 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:06.159 in the late eighteen hundreds. Now, what this new scan 50 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:11.840 reveals is that there is a labyrinth and go to 51 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:17.319 actually go to Cliff Dunning at Facebook and I have 52 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.160 posted a color rendition of this scan that is being 53 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:25.839 revealed towards the middle of June of this year, and 54 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.480 we're gonna see some more of these scans that were taken. 55 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:34.480 And there are an amazing group of scans that were 56 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:39.759 done with a SAR satellite image. And not only are 57 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:45.279 the rooms, there are partial pillars, there are voids that 58 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:50.160 are significantly large, and it is just wonderful. Now, I 59 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.399 don't think Zahi jas knows about it. I don't think 60 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.839 any of the authorities know about it, and this is 61 00:04:54.879 --> 00:05:00.079 becoming a real problem for them simply because they they 62 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:04.399 are not able to control the narrative. Ah. As many 63 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.839 years as I've known about this labyrinth, I've also known 64 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:13.759 that there has been no talk, no divulsion, no data 65 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:16.519 coming from the Antiquities Department. And that makes you wonder, 66 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:21.399 why are they not more open to revealing this information. 67 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:26.240 Why must Zahi, who's supposed to be the spokesperson for 68 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:30.360 the Antiquities Department in Egypt, why is he basically saying 69 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.759 that the Tsar scans are invalid, that the Caffre and 70 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:37.600 the Cufu scans Cufu was Pyramid was scan in twenty 71 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:42.519 twenty two. Why are they invalid? Why? You know, there's 72 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.519 a whole bunch that we know from those scans that 73 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.639 we can validate. And then it makes us think, well, 74 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:54.040 wait a minute, should we can we comfortably talk about it? Well? 75 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.720 When pressed, and I think he was on Joe Rogan 76 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.199 and he was asked about this, he said it was 77 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:04.079 all pie in the sky. It was there's nothing valid 78 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:09.920 about any of these scans, and uh, it's all false data. 79 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.120 Why would he say that? And by the way, if 80 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:17.839 you haven't seen that Joe Rogan interview with uh Sahi Awash. 81 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.079 You need you need to hear it. This is the guy. 82 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.639 I mean, he basically embarrassed the whole Egyptological community with 83 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:29.240 his performance and what he had to say. And for 84 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:31.879 this guy to be traveling in the United States right 85 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:37.199 now speaking as the formal foremost expert on Egyptology, it 86 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:40.519 doesn't say a lot for the industry. It says very 87 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.519 little actually, because he's kind of unfortunately, he's a little 88 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.600 behind the times on a lot. And I have to 89 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:49.920 say this, it's not just him, it's Egypt as a 90 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:53.759 whole is a couple of decades behind as and it's 91 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:59.800 considered a developing country. The education situation is poor. I 92 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.560 think a big one is their inability to use a 93 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.759 light ar ground panetraan radar. I mean, they would rather 94 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.720 just do the old turn of the century surveying for 95 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.399 archaeological ruins. And this is just so backwards in the 96 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.920 rest of the world using the latest technology. And I 97 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.519 think I mentioned earlier in the year when I was 98 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:27.120 there last year in Egypt that archaeologists are just sitting 99 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:32.839 their way and not really interested in reaching beyond their 100 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:38.839 traditional techniques of archaeological digs, and so when you're dealing 101 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:41.160 with something like that, you can't do anything. But they 102 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:43.959 are the masters of their domain. They are the ones 103 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.639 who are running this amazing country. And now they have 104 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.879 a one billion dollar museum that is now completely open, 105 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:54.720 and I'm hearing every single day. In fact, I just 106 00:07:54.720 --> 00:08:00.160 heard from Mohammed Imbrhem that there are anomalousts artifacts, there's 107 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:06.920 anomalous sculptures, and there's anomalous bowls and plates that obviously 108 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.680 were spun on some machinery. So this is going to 109 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:16.000 open up the entire country to additional inquiry and stifle innovation. 110 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:21.560 To stifle research, it doesn't doesn't help the country, you know, 111 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.079 it doesn't help the country, especially when they're in such 112 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:30.800 a sad state of of of development. And so zai 113 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.480 Owas really is the last person you want to be 114 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.639 a spokesperson for your country. Because as these new developments 115 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.679 come up, uh and you remember we had Robert Shock, 116 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:48.759 we had Trevor Grassy, and we had a Manu Safety Day, 117 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.039 Doctor Safety Day on the program. As this new satellite 118 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:57.720 data continues and they're repeatedly scanning and fine tuning the images, 119 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:00.480 we're going to see more and more and more data, 120 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:02.799 and the pressure is going to just build on these 121 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:08.399 guys that want to sit back and release data according 122 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:11.639 to some itinerary that they have, Well, you can't do 123 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:15.159 that anymore. You just can't do that anymore. And so 124 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.000 he's going to have to. I don't think Zaii has 125 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.559 that much of a decision in terms of releasing data, 126 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.720 but he's a huge influence in the country. He's a 127 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:30.120 huge influence, and he's just not a great spokesperson. It's 128 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:34.000 a real, real, real problem, not only for me, but 129 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:36.840 for a lot of people, for a lot of people 130 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:40.039 who want to know more. And so we're in some 131 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:46.879 ways we're still left to the ability of this Antiquities 132 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:51.720 department in Egypt to release this data, to acknowledge it. 133 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:55.240 If it's this information is there or not? Why do 134 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:58.240 we have to wait another decade or two for a 135 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:05.559 new group of Egyptian archaeologists and scientists to grant us 136 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:12.480 permission to see these antiquities, to see and validate their age, 137 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:16.240 to see how sophisticated they are. Now, if you haven't 138 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:22.039 seen the images from the Caffree Pyramid Stars scan, you 139 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.840 need to look at them. There's a whole bunch of 140 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.039 different interpretations, and that's the big issue, is the interpretation. 141 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:32.559 So that's one place to start. But what I am 142 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.320 talking about, and we will go into great detail, is 143 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:42.399 Hawara Elabyrinth, the one the massive underground structure Petrie describes 144 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:45.320 and there's a couple of other people that bring it 145 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:49.000 to that shine light on it. So if we see 146 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:52.559 these details, and if they're being revealed, and by the way, 147 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:57.600 the team, the scientific team that's gonna reveal it will 148 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:59.240 have a couple of people on the show to talk 149 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:03.759 about it. But this is another revelation. I heard about 150 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.960 this technology a while ago and I wasn't sure about it. 151 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.759 But this when you see these photographs again, you're going 152 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.960 to go to Facebook and go to Cliff Dunning. I 153 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:15.279 think I've spread them around on you can go to 154 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.080 Instagram and go to Earth Ancients podcast. That's our page. 155 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.000 I posted one photograph there, but check it out, see 156 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.879 what you think. And this is you know, this is 157 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:32.559 the future. These technologies are readily available and as more 158 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:39.720 and more technicians are trained, the ability to grasp archaeological 159 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.559 data is going to be more free to a wide 160 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:53.919 variety of research institutes, individuals and universities. So and I 161 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:55.440 don't know who's going to be the one who steps 162 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.759 forward in it. I think it's going to be individuals, 163 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:04.279 simply because universities are less likely to go against the 164 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:08.960 antiquities departments because, remember the Antiquities Department, it's a developing nation, 165 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:16.159 and so they are challenged in releasing the latest data. 166 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.279 They want to keep the narrative that the pyramids were tombs, 167 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:26.559 that the Pharaohs were the bright Ones, and that there's 168 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:32.159 no hint of a previous high level civilization. So lots 169 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:38.039 to think about. So Today's programs with Dan Richards and 170 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:41.360 if you haven't heard from him, he's kind of the 171 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:45.720 new media darling. He's got a real fun YouTube channel 172 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:51.480 called Deduncting and it is filled with his comments on 173 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:59.120 Graham Hancock, the orthodoxy, traditional academic view of people like 174 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:04.159 Graham Hancock, and he in many ways supports the alternative 175 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.399 narrative on a number of different topics, which makes it 176 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.720 really fun. 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His YouTube channel, Deduncting, is becoming extremely popular, 208 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:49.279 and I gotta tell you, I had to have Dan 209 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.159 on the program, not only because he's a fan of 210 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:54.360 Graham Hancock, but he's kind of a voice for reason. 211 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:57.159 And when I say reason, I'm talking about both sides, 212 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:01.879 the academic side, which can get really funky, and the 213 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:06.919 alternative history side, which some people believe is the pseudo 214 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.960 archaeology side, which can be and is in a lot 215 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:16.639 of cases, very funky. So Dan, Welcome to Earth the Ancient. 216 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:17.759 Is great to have you on the program. 217 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:19.720 Thank you, Thanks clip I appreciate it. 218 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:25.799 I saw your first program on YouTube on deducting. It 219 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.840 was great. It was Milo one and Milo two, which 220 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.039 I thought was great. But I love the fact that 221 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.759 you're very casual but point of fact for the most part. 222 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:43.519 What inspired you to begin stepping up and wanting to 223 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.399 speak out on these topics. 224 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:49.120 Well, what really got me was when I watched Ancient Apocalypse, 225 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:50.480 which I was a little late to the party, but 226 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:52.919 I watched it, and I'd been a Graham Hancocks fan 227 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:54.440 for a long time. I just didn't have a chance 228 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.919 to watch Ancient Apocalypse. I watched it about a year later, 229 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.679 and then I was like, well, in this modern day 230 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:01.440 and age, of course you're going to have debunkers. So 231 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:03.080 I went and looked at what they were saying. It 232 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:07.720 was consistently, these guys they haven't read his stuff. They're 233 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:13.680 responding to individual sentences, small ideas without having the underlying concepts. 234 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:17.319 And I frequently compare it to debunking evolution by attacking 235 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.480 the evolution of a platypus. It's like, well, that doesn't 236 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.480 you know, if some jackass says things wrong, it doesn't 237 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:24.519 mean that I can just go in there and prove 238 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.680 evolutions wrong by attacking his ideas without attacking the body 239 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.559 of work. And so that got me started doing that, 240 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:35.759 and didn't take long before it became obvious that there 241 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:39.480 was doing. Nobody else doing that. So find fertile ground 242 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:41.440 you till it. So here we are. 243 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.160 You read? Did you read Fingerprints of the Guys back 244 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.440 in ninety six five? 245 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:53.480 I had it pre ordered actually from Hastings. You could 246 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.839 pre order books back then. You couldn't pre order movies 247 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:57.799 back then for some reason, but you could pre order books. 248 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.559 And it's funny. I'm here in San Francisco and when 249 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.440 that book came out, he came out to Berkeley and 250 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:05.920 he spoke at a bookstore. I had a chance to 251 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.000 see him, and I mean, there's like one hundred people 252 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:13.160 in the room. His work was so profound. To me, 253 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.279 it was impressive. I was always kind of a questioning 254 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:22.599 authority person anyhow, kind of a residual hippie, you could say. 255 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:30.680 But I'm curious on your take for him. Do you 256 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:35.599 think he goes out of his way to question the 257 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.000 narrative of history or is he more of just I mean, 258 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.319 he used to write for the Economist magazine, so he's 259 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:45.680 not a smart person. But what would you say is 260 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:47.359 the appeal of Graham Hancock? 261 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.799 Well, I would say that he thinks outside of the box. 262 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:54.079 I wouldn't say that he goes out of his way 263 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:57.359 to look for an alternate theory. Quite often he will 264 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.279 just accept that something is a mundane explanation. But he 265 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.920 doesn't you know, that's not the work that he really 266 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.400 gets into. That's not that if I write a book 267 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.720 about you know, chilling playing farmland, it's not very interesting. 268 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:12.359 If you write a book about it, you know, something 269 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.240 that's mysterious, that's where you know, that's where you actually 270 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.279 get some audience. So he makes sure to write about 271 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:19.799 the things that are mysterious. But I don't I don't 272 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:21.960 think he drums up mystery. If I was to accuse 273 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:24.640 him of anything in those regards, I would say that 274 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.559 he can be a little over zealous and accepting evidence 275 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.200 that will align with his ideas, and sometimes that'll end 276 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.599 up letting people that some people that I personally look at, 277 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:36.160 I'm just like that guy is a grift Graham, and 278 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.440 Graham will be like, hey, check this guy out. Okay, 279 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:40.559 Well he said the same thing about me, and I'm 280 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.160 sure some people think I'm a grifter. So what do 281 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:42.440 you do? 282 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.799 Why deduncty, what's that title all about? 283 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:54.599 Well? I first saw what I was Milo ROSSI was 284 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:58.039 one of the two Milo's and he did a short 285 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:01.640 video where he was like showing how the number one 286 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.759 YouTube video at the time if you looked up Ancient 287 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.279 Apocalypse was his video debunking Part one and he goes 288 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:10.559 get dunked on Graham Hancock and I was like, well, 289 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:11.960 you've got a lot of stuff wrong in that, so 290 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:17.119 let's undos as, let's dedunk that. And it sounded catchy enough, 291 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:19.039 seems to be all right. 292 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:22.559 Yeah, it's funny because you say to your you say 293 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:25.200 to your audience, you say, I'm a skeptic and I'm 294 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:29.880 an atheist, and it's like those are those are pretty 295 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:31.759 big badges you're wearing there, Fella. 296 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:33.680 Yeah, I know I get a lot of I get 297 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:35.920 a lot of crap for it, but I really, you know, 298 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:38.599 in this day and age, I honestly think that the 299 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:40.480 whole label thing, It's almost one of the reasons that 300 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:42.599 I like to shout it out is because the label 301 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:46.079 thing's gotten stupid. You know. I'm the old hippie thing too. 302 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:50.519 If you remember the The Beatles, one of their lines 303 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.720 of the song was you don't get time to hang 304 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.359 a sign on me. You're not gonna just get to 305 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.480 slap your label on me and use that to judge 306 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:01.480 a person. And I think because of the way that 307 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:04.759 discourse has done nowadays, mostly on the Internet, and so 308 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.960 we just see individual words, and people have gotten so 309 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.680 big about putting those things in their bio, their pronouns, 310 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.880 or their political affiliations or do I stand with little. 311 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:18.200 I don't believe in a higher power. I don't believe 312 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.559 in intelligent God. I don't believe in a I do 313 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:24.119 consider myself a skeptic. I'm not a cynic. I'm not 314 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:27.519 gonna be like it sounds like bullshit, must be bullshit. 315 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.440 But if you come with something that sounds like it's 316 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:32.119 a little bit on the wu side, yeah, I'm gonna 317 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:33.920 expect you to pull up your sleeves and do some 318 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:34.839 big boy talk here. 319 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:43.119 I like that big boye dog. You were very outspoken 320 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:49.759 regarding Flint Dibble and Graham Hancock's interview on Joe Rogan. 321 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:54.799 What was it about Dibble that you felt was conniving 322 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:59.000 and almost underhanded in the manner that he went about 323 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.440 his interactions with Hancock? 324 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.599 Well, I had. I had a lot of interactions with 325 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:09.079 Flint before on Twitter, and we'd gotten along well. I 326 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:13.279 got along well well enough with most archaeologists for a 327 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.759 very long time. It was until about a year of 328 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.599 me being on the internet, it was doing this. It 329 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.880 was until I covered the whole racism angle and was 330 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.599 pointing out that the you know, the legs that they 331 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:28.880 were holding up that table with don't exactly hold up 332 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:32.519 to scrutiny, and Flint have the he fly out and 333 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:35.400 it just didn't matter. It's like, this doesn't really matter, blah. 334 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:38.880 And that was immediately I'm like eh. And then I 335 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.400 watched the debate and I see the way he handled 336 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.039 Graham saying, hey, man, you know you conflate me with 337 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.240 being a racist. You you know absolutely this is going 338 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:48.599 to get me called a racist. And no, no, no, no, no, 339 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:50.319 I never said that. Okay, I did say that, oh, 340 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:53.319 and that was I knew that was bullshit. And I 341 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.440 watched what I watched further, and I knew his position 342 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:02.039 on plants reverting to wild ferialization where a plant returns 343 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:04.519 to a wild state, like if you leave rice out 344 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:08.680 in nature that's been domesticated, eventually it will become wild 345 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:11.720 rice again. And Flints just need your dogs to take 346 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:13.559 thousands of years. And I knew that wasn't the case. 347 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:17.960 So I started looking for the tells which aren't really complicated. 348 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:22.559 I mean, a scientist says, like to take the metallurgy 349 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:24.119 thing that it was One of the big points I 350 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.440 hammered on Flint about is he claimed that you could 351 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:29.400 prove for a fact that there was no metallurgy in 352 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.079 the ice age and using the ice cores, and that's 353 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:37.000 simply not the case. And you can tell that's not 354 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.680 a scientific statement. You can tell he's not being a scientist. 355 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:42.880 You can by the way he says it. Any scientist 356 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.519 will say, all the data currently indicates that there was 357 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.559 no metallurgy in the ice Age. What we would need 358 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:50.839 to find is bur That's not what Flint said. We 359 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.240 improved for a fact, you're standing behind a pulpit. You're 360 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:57.240 not standing behind a desk educating people anymore. You're preaching. 361 00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:59.759 And you just just went through with the fine tooth 362 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.079 calum and found enough examples of that to convince me 363 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.880 that he went there with knowing that he was full 364 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:07.319 of crap. 365 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:11.640 Yeah. Do you think he's a good representative for the 366 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.000 archaeological community. 367 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.319 No, I think he's a good representative of the people 368 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:20.200 that put themselves in a position of standing at the megaphone, 369 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:23.240 like Zahi Hua, which recently proved what a mood. We'll 370 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.680 talk about that a little bit, but no, these kinds 371 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.400 of people are there. You know. We see this with 372 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:32.640 every community on the world, in the on the internet 373 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:37.400 right now, you take picture thing. Otherwise, the one I 374 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.200 usually use as an example because it's so easy to 375 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.599 see is a transgender community. Like here in Spokane. I've 376 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:45.960 seen hundreds of trans people that they're just walking around 377 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:47.880 like normal people. But if I get on the internet, 378 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:49.799 the one that I'm going to see is screaming through 379 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:54.160 GameStop knopping shit over going call me, ma'am, what's like? Okay, Well, 380 00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:57.359 that's not indicative of the dude that I saw at 381 00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:59.319 the Magic Card Store or the girl that I saw 382 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.240 at the Magic Car Store. This is entirely different individual. 383 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:06.400 But just like I was saying about Graham writing about 384 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.880 boring farming isn't as cool as a mystery. Same shit. 385 00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:12.799 Transgender person lives normal life is a jank headline that 386 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:16.599 does not get clicks. Transgender person screams destroys game stop. 387 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:21.519 Same thing with archaeologists. Archaeologist says interesting data. Perhaps Graham 388 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:25.279 Hancock right, probably not doesn't get clicks. Archaeologist says Graham 389 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:28.359 Hancock is an idiot racist clicks. 390 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:35.079 Yeah, totally. When Ancient Apocalypse one came out, the Archaeological 391 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.599 Society wrote a letter to Netflix. I don't know if 392 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.519 you heard about this, oh yeah, and basically said that 393 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:48.240 you are discouraging future archaeologist. You are lying to the people. 394 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:53.400 Graham Hancock is a false prophet they used. I mean, 395 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.920 I think they even said that he was a racist. 396 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:01.000 That was actually the the are that I used when 397 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:04.839 I was debunking that was a Society for American Archaeology's 398 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.559 letter to Netflix was when I made the video that's 399 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.519 debunking their racist position. That was my I used that 400 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:13.079 as their stereotypical argument. 401 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.839