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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of July

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<v Speaker 2>twenty second, we are returning to the latest season of

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<v Speaker 2>a show that we've enjoyed in the past, The Guilded Age.

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<v Speaker 2>As we mentioned yesterday a few times, we are a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks behind when it is airing on Sunday nights.

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<v Speaker 2>This one. I very much enjoyed the title of the

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<v Speaker 2>first episode, who is in Charge Here? Which it has

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<v Speaker 2>many references.

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<v Speaker 3>We have Yeah, we have ada and Agnes fighting for

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<v Speaker 3>control of their home and their servants who are caught

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle and real put out about it, getting

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<v Speaker 3>conflicting instructions from the two.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies, oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>And the butler just trying to keep the peace. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we have at the Russells. Of course, we have

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<v Speaker 2>is George in charge of the family or is Bertha?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we know the answer to that one.

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<v Speaker 1>He's Gladys in charge of her own life? Or is Bertha?

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<v Speaker 1>You know the answer to that one? And Larry also

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<v Speaker 1>is yeah, he's more like waiting out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And Larry, my friend, like he's the way he

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<v Speaker 2>tells his sister, He's like, you know, time's running out.

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<v Speaker 2>You should probably run Elope with this dude, like, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is a girl who has been raised,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as a hot house flower. Like you think

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<v Speaker 2>she's just gonna like steal away in the night, which

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<v Speaker 2>she does by the end of the episode, Like yes, oh, Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, yeah, Oh shouldn't you just Elope? What stop?

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<v Speaker 1>And also you're going into business with the footman from

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<v Speaker 1>across the street and you're acting like he should be

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<v Speaker 1>served coffee in your house, which is real big of you.

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<v Speaker 1>But not so much that you would bring him to

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<v Speaker 1>meetings to actually explain the thing, would you do not which.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot explain exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you think you so broad, but you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to sell this thing if you cannot explain it,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're not gonna sell it well anyway. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we have Aurora. Yeah, that came out of being sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a secondary character that apparently, you know, her husband

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<v Speaker 1>comes home and says, please divorce me so that I

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<v Speaker 1>can go be with my mistress and you can flounder

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<v Speaker 1>in society for the rest of your life. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole She's just gonna she'll have a

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<v Speaker 1>nice house and be well taken care of, but she

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<v Speaker 1>won't have any social life whatsoever, although there's other people

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<v Speaker 1>in Newport who are cast out right. I imagine she

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<v Speaker 1>and Laura bann Anti could have a pretty nice party.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they could just do karaoke all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they could put on Broadway place you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was a real gut punch, like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been nothing but sweet and lovely to everyone, and yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're all of a sudden, Charles, why are you such

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<v Speaker 2>a jerk?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yes, just perhaps this is this should

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<v Speaker 1>be taken by some as a lesson of what happens

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<v Speaker 1>if you marry the wrong person. Yeah, and if you like,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you love him and you think everything's just great,

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<v Speaker 1>is he the kind of guy who at some point

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<v Speaker 1>will run off with a recent widow And then of

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<v Speaker 1>course everybody, you know, even even her friends, are going

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<v Speaker 1>to exclude her from polite society because that is what

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<v Speaker 1>you do. That's just that's the way polite society works.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very sorry we have we're powerless against it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I agness. It's just like, well, she might

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<v Speaker 2>not be comfortable in groups like well, if you make

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<v Speaker 2>her a comfortable she will be uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh, you know, probably would not want to

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<v Speaker 1>won't be any alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the whole there was a temperance meeting and the

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<v Speaker 2>face acting from the audience from from Aurora and even

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<v Speaker 1>But most especially Oscar, who just looks like, shoot me now,

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<v Speaker 1>the only pleasure I have left in life, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>glass of wine with dinner, and you're taking that from

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<v Speaker 1>me too.

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<v Speaker 2>It was. It was delightful. I mean, not for them,

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<v Speaker 2>but for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know when you when you drag your kids to

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<v Speaker 2>some meeting, they may.

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<v Speaker 1>Respond, dear, Yes, Ada is feeling her power and uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody. Yes, even those who might have one time

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<v Speaker 1>rooted for her. They're like, we didn't think this was

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<v Speaker 1>going to go this direction, okay, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I just it was just a wonderful vehicle for snarky

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<v Speaker 2>comments from everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so dear, And much romantic drama over at the

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<v Speaker 1>Russell household, with Missus Russell determined to marry her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>to the duke. The daughter determined to marry what a

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<v Speaker 1>kid named Billy, very unpromising guy, and Billy's mother, always excruciating,

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<v Speaker 1>makes the kind of mistake that we've all made of

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<v Speaker 1>just saying the wrong thing that is going to cause

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<v Speaker 1>your child no end of trouble, right, and you cannot

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<v Speaker 1>pull the words.

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<v Speaker 4>Back into your mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>So she goes up to Missus Russell and is a, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it wonderful? Our two children are all but engaged,

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<v Speaker 1>and Missus Russell is saying, say what to me? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh dear, and uh yeah, that was that was a

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<v Speaker 1>disastrous misstep by Billy's mother. I just I just cringed

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<v Speaker 1>for her. This is like, I believe I have done

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<v Speaker 1>the same at one point or another, not on that

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<v Speaker 1>particular subject, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean it's it's almost like when you

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're in a social situation and you're just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let me make conversation with this yes, with this person.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dear not that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it was the wrong one. Yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's so many characters on this show. They really

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<v Speaker 2>aren't gotten to Peggy yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Who oh, yes, she has she has, which is always

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<v Speaker 1>can't be good ominous in a period piece.

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<v Speaker 2>But from what I've been reading online, everyone's like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's okay because she's like in all the previous

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<v Speaker 2>for the whole season. So the speculation is that a

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<v Speaker 2>hot doctor comes to take care of her, yeah, to

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<v Speaker 2>give her a love interest, since the white doctor was like,

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<v Speaker 2>uh no, not doing that, and Agnes immediately is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to pay for that, And yeah, I do believe.

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<v Speaker 1>She felt like he would not want to cross her.

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<v Speaker 1>But she is no longer in the same position of

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<v Speaker 1>daunting power that you used to be. I wondered if

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<v Speaker 1>that was supposed to be a comment on that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll show him. We'll take away his alcohol. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're about.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, you'll be sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>And early on we had dropped something that I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>we'll pay off in future episodes, which is the chef

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<v Speaker 1>of the Russell household getting a letter and saying, I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose it's bad news. This kind of thing usually is yes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also what Aurora might have said when her

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<v Speaker 1>husband came in and said, stop, just sit and listen. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad news. This kind of thing usually is also

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<v Speaker 1>what we say parenting tip wise, when you get a

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<v Speaker 1>note from the school. Yes, I suppose it's bad news.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing usually is.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wonder what the deal will be with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, still still enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>A pin in this little placeholder come back in another

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<v Speaker 1>episode for the chef.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yeah, it's I still remember and enjoy the

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<v Speaker 2>whole storyline of him being like where was he? Where

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<v Speaker 2>is he from? Like Saint Louis or something?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Italian?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, No, he's supposed to be French, like I supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be French, like a famous French chef. His name

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<v Speaker 2>is Josh. He's from the Midwest, somewhere fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's glad he doesn't have to do the accent anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had a whole extended, uh change of scenery

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<v Speaker 1>with George out in Arizona. Yes, a little more civilized

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<v Speaker 1>than than Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when they're mad.

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<v Speaker 1>They can get himself a drink if nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they're when they're happy, they just fire a

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<v Speaker 2>gun into the ceiling and.

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<v Speaker 1>As yeah, you know, none of this pussy pooting around.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that whole plot and all apparently possible that

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<v Speaker 1>George's bankrupt now because there was a problem with the

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<v Speaker 1>bank and I'm sure that won't affect anybody's plants at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and he left Patrick Page out there to

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<v Speaker 2>do his dirty work. And even you know Patrick Page

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<v Speaker 2>is himself is just like, well, I'm expendable, Like he

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<v Speaker 2>knows his place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he seems like a pretty capable dude. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll do it or die try it. Yeah, it just

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<v Speaker 1>was like so weird, just like suddenly we're in Deadwood.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do they move shows here?

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<v Speaker 2>But and the little they you know, stagecoach up to

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<v Speaker 2>this little town, which truly looked like a movie set.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yes, you know, you spare no expense

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<v Speaker 2>for the costumes and the and the dinners in Manhattan,

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<v Speaker 2>but like this truly looked like a ghost town that

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<v Speaker 2>you would visit at an amusement park, you know, just like.

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<v Speaker 1>All it didn't look very gilded.

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<v Speaker 2>All flat facades and something behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Them is the impression we're only going to go there once.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not going to spend a lot of money

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<v Speaker 2>on it. I guess instead, we'll spend our money making

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<v Speaker 2>it snow in Yes, in March, I guess is what

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<v Speaker 2>the implication is.

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<v Speaker 1>But they mentioned that enough. Yeah, we get it. It's unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we heard along.

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<v Speaker 1>But the uh, the help of the two different households

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<v Speaker 1>having a snowball fight was kind of cute.

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<v Speaker 2>It was cute. I'll give them that. But yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>whole you know, there's this whole argument between Bertha and

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter Gladys in terms of like, oh, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to marry for love and you got to marry

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<v Speaker 2>for love, so and Bertha's like, well, I was nothing special.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have this opportunity and oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh parenting wise, man, I yeah, parenting tip, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, don't project your ambitions onto your child you've already gotten,

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<v Speaker 2>Bertha so much of what you wanted. I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you've You've won the opera war for one thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so well.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think legitimately she is applying the lessons of

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<v Speaker 1>a completely different person and also in a completely different stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the feeling that Bertha was not rich at

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<v Speaker 1>that she's learned aren't appropriate for somebody who has had

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<v Speaker 1>a completely different life, which parenting tip. We all do this.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what She's We definitely are not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be on team Bertha, obviously, although she's not wrong

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<v Speaker 1>that Gladys is not necessarily making good choices for herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy has like a neon sign on his head saying

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<v Speaker 1>But Larry says, do not think it enough that Gladys

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<v Speaker 1>as a goal. It is doomed to failure. And that

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<v Speaker 1>having a well ordered life? You know? But does that

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. That's a problem right for parents. I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to construct it. May I build a well ordered

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<v Speaker 1>Could I do that? These building blocks here have a

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<v Speaker 1>set of legos? Could I build that place? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>You?

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, so much of life involves making mistakes and learning

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<v Speaker 1>from them. Yeah, but as parents, we want to eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>Child exactly exactly. I absolutely believe that Birtha is working

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<v Speaker 1>from her lived experience that she's not like, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be the mother in law of a duke. She's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to construct for my child a life that

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<v Speaker 1>is meaningful, right, but not possibly to Gladys, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>possibly happy. It's rough. I I sympath I was with

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<v Speaker 1>Birtha birthday, even as I think we're supposed to think

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<v Speaker 1>she's the bad guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean she's she's not. She's not. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>that's the word. I'm like malicious about it. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>like I really, I don't want you to be happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to be with the person that

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<v Speaker 2>my own right, you know it's it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Four year own good. Yes supposedly so, yes, she must

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<v Speaker 1>be sensible and avoids stupid choices along with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's like eighteen or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe at one point she says to Gladys, you're a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>If I say, and I pray, that's why you have

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<v Speaker 1>no judgment. We have all said some version about your Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I love parenting tip. They don't want to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, unfortunately they do not.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, but yeah, this plotline is gonna get worse

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<v Speaker 1>than it's before it gets better. It is if it

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<v Speaker 1>gets better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I am glad to be back in this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, just.

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<v Speaker 2>The historical fiction soap opera. Is it's my jam.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but it's these first episodes. You'll like setting

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<v Speaker 1>up our conflicts for the season, right, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>will play out. So I like the playing out part

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<v Speaker 1>better than I like the setting up part. But parenting wise,

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<v Speaker 1>just one point at which Adas said to Oscar, I

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<v Speaker 1>will house you and feed you and even clothe you.

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<v Speaker 1>You are safe from real poverty. The rest you must

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<v Speaker 1>do for yourself. And that is like put that on

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<v Speaker 1>an embroidery and put that up on the wall. This

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<v Speaker 1>is what I give to my children. I will keep

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<v Speaker 1>you from being destitute, but make something of yourself, will

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<v Speaker 1>you please? Yes, I don't know. Foscar has it in it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we hope that for our children. We hope that

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<v Speaker 1>they will not just constantly be for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>their lives satisfied with housing and feeding and clothing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, I'm good, Yeah, it's gonna go upstairs and

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<v Speaker 1>find my hidden stash of booze and have a party.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang out in my fabulous bathroom and share a bathroom

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<v Speaker 1>This is where I am.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, it's fine, you go.

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, and then she has their conversation with Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>and then she decides to take to the pig tray

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<v Speaker 1>to Pagy and I'm like, don't you want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom first? What if you're up with Pagan?

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<v Speaker 1>You have to go real bad and Oscar's in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>She has better bladder control. She's a young woman, right me,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just have to probably, you know, pee before

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<v Speaker 2>Your ability to just scamper up the stairs.

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<v Speaker 1>With the true Sure, I can wait, that's mine, no emergency, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem. Oh well, we'll see where Gladys thinks she is

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<v Speaker 2>going in the in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>So that definitely was Gladys sneaking out at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had my dark scenes. Problem with that is

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<v Speaker 1>I could see that somebody was scurrying out of somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't see or what. Oh, yeah, but she

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, first she packed a bag with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of truly random items. And then because she's never had

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<v Speaker 1>Her life, is she wearing a hat? She was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a ridiculous hat.

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<v Speaker 2>Gloves cloak entire situations.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweetie, are you going to Billy's house? Because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they're going to be happy to see you under

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<v Speaker 1>these circumstances, because I imagine you can expect Bertha's revenge

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<v Speaker 1>to be swift if they do anything at all but

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<v Speaker 1>bring her immediately back home, right, oh dear so well?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, perhaps find out Next Wednesday, we'll continue with season three,

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<v Speaker 2>episode two, What the Papers Say? Oh, I hope the

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<v Speaker 2>papers still get end of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh oh.

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