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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Western Sieve. Again. This week, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start out with a little imagination exercise. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>being beneath dense canopies of pine and oak along the

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<v Speaker 1>slow curves of the Mississippi and the winding tributaries of

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<v Speaker 1>the Tennessee and Alabama River. Reality was the Southeastern woodlands

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<v Speaker 1>of North America, once thronged with life and civilization, long

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<v Speaker 1>before the arrival of Europeans. Now, this was a long

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<v Speaker 1>time before Jamestown, long time before his Soto and his

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<v Speaker 1>armored boots bunched along the soil, long before the maps

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<v Speaker 1>marked these lands with the words America Indigenous nations in

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<v Speaker 1>the Southeastern United States what would become I suppose Southeastern

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<v Speaker 1>United States were anything but wild. This was an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>land of population density. It's one of my most fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>parts in my opinion of Native American cultures, the American Southeast.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, this was a land of towns, fields, and

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<v Speaker 1>forests not untouched, but tended from the Gulf coast all

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<v Speaker 1>the way up to the Piedmont Hills. The peoples of

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<v Speaker 1>the Southeast lived in complex societies with deep historical roots

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<v Speaker 1>and dynamic systems of governance, trade, and belief. Their story

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<v Speaker 1>often buried unfortunately beneath the ashes of disease and conquest

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<v Speaker 1>begins not with first contact with the Europeans, but with

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<v Speaker 1>first cultivation. That's one of the constant mistakes actually still

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<v Speaker 1>in textbooks today, that Native American history, for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>begins in fourteen ninety two with the arrival of Europeans.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe some a little bit before that, if you came

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<v Speaker 1>back to leef Erickson, but most people don't. So why

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<v Speaker 1>is that a mistake? Because it misses out on the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of timing. Talked about it in a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>episodes now where depending upon when Europeans arrived, if they

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<v Speaker 1>would have arrived fifty hundred years earlier, they may have

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<v Speaker 1>walked into a stronger civilization. Actually, because hopefully, as you've

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<v Speaker 1>learned in this podcast, history isn't linear. Civilizations don't just

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<v Speaker 1>get stronger over time. They ebb and they flow, and

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<v Speaker 1>so what times a conqueror shows up goes a long

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<v Speaker 1>way in dictating how successful they're going to be. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time the sun rose over the Southeastern woodlands around

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand in our Common era, a cultural transformation had

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<v Speaker 1>already swept through the region in the river valleys of

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<v Speaker 1>today what we call Illinois, Missouri, Mississippi, Alabama, a civilization

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<v Speaker 1>emerged that would later be known as the Mississippian culture,

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<v Speaker 1>a network of towns and ceremonial centers that organize life

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<v Speaker 1>around maize, corn, agriculture, and religious hierarchy, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>monumental earthworks. Kahokia, the great city near modern day Saint Louis,

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<v Speaker 1>was the crown jewel of the Mississippian civilization. You have

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to look up some images. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>city of perhaps twenty thousand people, larger than London at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, with massive mounds, wide plazas, and a radiating

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<v Speaker 1>network of trade and tribute. The largest of these earthworks,

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<v Speaker 1>dubbed monks Mound, rose ten stories above the floodplain, dwarfing

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<v Speaker 1>the surrounding countryside. Wasn't a tomb place for gods and kings.

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<v Speaker 1>The influence of Khokia and its sister cities rippled outward

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<v Speaker 1>south and east along the Mississippi, the Ohio, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Yazoo Rivers. New ceremonial centers rose up Moundville and Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>Etowah and Georgia, and Spiro in what is today Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 1>These were not crude constructions. They were expressions of astronomical precision,

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<v Speaker 1>social order, and theological vision, much in the same way

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<v Speaker 1>that the great pyramids of the Maya to the south

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<v Speaker 1>of the Aztecs, and of course to the ancient Egyptians,

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<v Speaker 1>societies were organized around elite lineages and priestly classes who

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<v Speaker 1>mediated between the people the cosmos, life and death. But

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<v Speaker 1>these cities did not stand alone. They were linked by

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<v Speaker 1>rivers and roads, by trade and shared belief. Copper from

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Lakes, conch shells from the Gulf, obsidian from

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<v Speaker 1>the Rockies. We know from archaeological digs. They all found

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<v Speaker 1>their way to these great trade center cities, and across

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<v Speaker 1>this land corn beans and squash planted and rhythmic rotating

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<v Speaker 1>gardens fed millions, not tens of thousands, millions of people.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Kahoki had declined around the thirteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>its people dispersing for reasons that historians and archaeologists still debate,

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippian culture had now taken firm root. Elsewhere. The southeast

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<v Speaker 1>was dotted with various chiefdoms ranked societies where power was

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<v Speaker 1>concentrated in the hands of hereditary elites. As it was

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe at the same time. These chiefdoms like Kosa,

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<v Speaker 1>Talisi and Appalachi did not rule empires, but they wielded influence.

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<v Speaker 1>They could mobilize labor, wage war, and preside over rituals

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<v Speaker 1>that re affirmed the cosmic balance. In towns laid out

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<v Speaker 1>around central plazas and platform mounds, daily life revolved around

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<v Speaker 1>the seasons and the soil. Of course, corn was king,

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<v Speaker 1>as it was throughout North and Central America. Its planting

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<v Speaker 1>and harvests were ceremonies onto themselves. The people of these

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<v Speaker 1>societies span a wide variety of occupations. This was no

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<v Speaker 1>mere subsistence farming folks. There were artisans, builders, traders, and warriors.

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<v Speaker 1>They carved effigy pipes from soft stone, wove cloth from

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<v Speaker 1>mulberry bark, and even played a ritual game to today

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<v Speaker 1>we call chunky, in which players hurled spears at a

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<v Speaker 1>rolling stone disc. Actually sounds kind of fun, both sport

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<v Speaker 1>and spectacle watch by hundreds of people, and of course, culturally,

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<v Speaker 1>this world is alive with meaning. The Southeastern ceremonial complex,

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<v Speaker 1>a term coined by archaeologists, refers to a set of

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<v Speaker 1>shared symbols and beliefs, the bird man, the great serpent,

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<v Speaker 1>the sacred fire, the axis mundi of mound and sky.

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<v Speaker 1>These weren't just decorative images. They were maps of existence,

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<v Speaker 1>inscribed onto copper plates, tattooed onto human bodies, and buried

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<v Speaker 1>with the dead. Now, of course, to the casual European i,

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<v Speaker 1>as we talked about last time, this land probably looked

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<v Speaker 1>wild forests stretching endlessly, meadows thick with game. But the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is more astonishing in the Southeast, especially because what

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<v Speaker 1>the settlers mistook for wilderness was actually a landscape shaped

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<v Speaker 1>by generations of careful tending. The peoples of the Southeast,

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<v Speaker 1>like elsewhere, used fire as a tool. They burned the

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<v Speaker 1>understory of the forest to clear paths and promote the

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<v Speaker 1>growth of edible plants, and to make hunting easier. They

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<v Speaker 1>cultivated chestnuts, hickories, persimions, and plums. These were orchards, not

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<v Speaker 1>accidental groves that stood at the outskirts of native towns.

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<v Speaker 1>Game was abundant, not despite human presence, but because of it.

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<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned before, these were not hunter gatherers roaming

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<v Speaker 1>at random. Native societies of North America hadn't been that

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<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years. Though most of the Southeast remained

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<v Speaker 1>untouched by Europeans until the sixteenth century, Ramrezo strain ships,

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<v Speaker 1>and unfamiliar diseases drifted inland long before the first encounter.

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish expeditions had touched the coast of Florida as early

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<v Speaker 1>as fifteen thirteen. By fifteen twenty six, a failed colony

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<v Speaker 1>called San Miguel dis Guadalupe had been established briefly on

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<v Speaker 1>what today was probably the South Carolina coast. But then

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<v Speaker 1>came the game changer Hernando de Soto. In fifteen thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>De Soto landed in Florida with an army of over

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred men and began a four year march through

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of the Southeast. He encountered complex societies at Appalachi, Cota, Fqui,

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<v Speaker 1>and later Cosa, some of which received him as a god.

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<v Speaker 1>Others he demanded food, porters and gold. He burned villages,

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<v Speaker 1>he captured chief in return. His army was constantly harried

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<v Speaker 1>by ambushes, ravaged by its own diseases, and ultimately lost

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<v Speaker 1>itself in a land that it couldn't understand. What De

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<v Speaker 1>Soto left behind was more devastating than fire or steel. Smallpox, measles,

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<v Speaker 1>influenza germs that spread well beyond his path of destruction,

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<v Speaker 1>igniting pandemics and towns and villages that he never saw.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time that the French and English arrived a

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<v Speaker 1>century later, the great Mississippian chiefdoms had shattered, their populations, decimated,

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<v Speaker 1>their towns abandoned, and reorganized. The survivors remembered the old

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<v Speaker 1>cities as myths, their mounds as haunted places were gods

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<v Speaker 1>once walked. By sixteen hundred, the southeastern landscape still bore

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<v Speaker 1>the fingerprints of the original caretakers, but the people had changed.

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<v Speaker 1>New confederacies emerged from the fragments of the older polities.

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<v Speaker 1>The Musgogie will become the Creek, the Chickasaw, the Choctaw,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Cherokee, whose ancestors had lived in the region

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<v Speaker 1>for millennia, but now moved in new ways, forming new alliances.

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<v Speaker 1>They traded with the Spanish, sometimes and sometimes resisted them.

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<v Speaker 1>They adopted the horse and adapted to new patterns of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Their societies were no less rich, no less complex, but

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<v Speaker 1>they stood at the edge of a coming storm. European

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<v Speaker 1>empires would soon carve the land into pieces. Missionaries would

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<v Speaker 1>press new gods into their tongues, and the trails worn

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<v Speaker 1>smooth by generations of native feet would give way to

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<v Speaker 1>rhodes pathed for conquest. But in the soil, in the stone,

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<v Speaker 1>in the whisper of the pine trees, over old mounds,

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<v Speaker 1>the past remained. The Southeastern peoples had not vanished. They

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<v Speaker 1>had remembered, rebuilt, and reimagined themselves again and again, as

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<v Speaker 1>they would continue to do so long after sixteen hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's turn our attention to the American Southwest that

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<v Speaker 1>will be right after this. If you've ever been to

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<v Speaker 1>the American Southwest, then you would know that the conditions

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<v Speaker 1>there for growing crops are not particularly great. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>waving waves of grain exactly now. It's more like arid

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<v Speaker 1>desert and step. So the native peoples that lived in

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<v Speaker 1>this region didn't have the opportunity to wait for the rain. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they built canals. Instead of depleting the earth, they worked

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<v Speaker 1>with what they had Across the desert plateaus and river valleys.

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous engineers created systems of irrigation so advanced, so attuned

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<v Speaker 1>to their environments that they rivaled and often actually exceeded

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<v Speaker 1>the ingenuity of later colonial technologies. A walk through one

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<v Speaker 1>such location, Chaco Cannon, reveals the traces of this mastery.

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<v Speaker 1>Here there are stone lined canals that are ancient as

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<v Speaker 1>anything in America that stretch toward the horizon, water works

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<v Speaker 1>that were designed to channel the seasonal runoff that does

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<v Speaker 1>happen in the spring and in the fall into productive fields.

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<v Speaker 1>These weren't accidental. They were acts of intense observation, rooted

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<v Speaker 1>in a worldview that water was not merely a utility,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a presence. Modern society, in contrast, often flips

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<v Speaker 1>this wisdom on its head to its own detriment, as

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're seeing nowadays. As one critic I've read

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<v Speaker 1>puts it, quote in California, water flows uphill toward money

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. Not exactly positive. It's a haunting commentary on

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<v Speaker 1>how political and economic power has now dictated the flow

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<v Speaker 1>of rivers, the workings of water itself in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've seen the consequences of this over and over again,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will likely continue to see the consequences of

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<v Speaker 1>this over and over again. Groundwater today vanishes beneath almond

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<v Speaker 1>groves and suburban lawns, while aquifers that took a millennia

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<v Speaker 1>to fill by the indigenous peoples that lived here once

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<v Speaker 1>were drained in one generation. But such a mindset would

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<v Speaker 1>have been unthinkable to those who first shaped this land.

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<v Speaker 1>To quote historian Stanley Rice quote, the Natives could not

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<v Speaker 1>have settled America with that kind of attitude end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Survival for them meant harmony building within the constraints of nature,

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<v Speaker 1>not despite them. This respectful relationship with the environment extended

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<v Speaker 1>far beyond irrigation. Next time, we'll talk about the far east,

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<v Speaker 1>the forests at east the Great Lakes, and beyond there

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<v Speaker 1>on the fringes of lakes Michigan Lake, Superior Lake, Erie,

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<v Speaker 1>and so on and so forth, and deep into the

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<v Speaker 1>Appalachian Hills, Native communities were quietly cultivating the land in

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<v Speaker 1>ways that settlers would continue to misinterpret for centuries. As

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<v Speaker 1>actually carefully manage orchards and groves and so on and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth. But going back for a moment to the

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<v Speaker 1>American Southwest, archaeological evidence places human habitation in the Southwest

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<v Speaker 1>as far back as twelve thousand years ago, with Paleo

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<v Speaker 1>Indians following the Last Ice Age megafauna through grassland corridors

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<v Speaker 1>and beyond. By the year two thousand BCE, corn maze,

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<v Speaker 1>originally domesticated in meso America, had reached the Southwest, altering

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous lifestyles. The cultivation here as in the southeast, of

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<v Speaker 1>The land was not easy. Water, as I mentioned previously,

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<v Speaker 1>and keep their civilizations growing. By the first millennium of

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<v Speaker 1>They built ball courts that were actually reminiscent of those

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<v Speaker 1>of the Maya in ancient Mexico. They traded for turquoise

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<v Speaker 1>and parrots from far to the south, and crafted intricate

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<v Speaker 1>Their villages were laid out the surprising regularity marked by

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<v Speaker 1>the Southwestern cultures. By nine hundred CE, they had begun

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<v Speaker 1>fifty and eleven hundred CE, AD boasted monumental architecture, including

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<v Speaker 1>the so called great houses like Pueblo Bonito. Aligned with

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<v Speaker 1>Ancestral Plebloans were not isolated desert dwellers. They had wide

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<v Speaker 1>reaching trade networks we know today, importing, in fact, as

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<v Speaker 1>turquoise from hundreds of miles away. Yet the height of

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<v Speaker 1>these civilizations was followed by abrupt change between one thy,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack O'canyon was abandoned, and the Great Cliff dwellings at

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<v Speaker 1>places like me Severity were soon emptied of all their populations.

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<v Speaker 1>maybe all of them. Rather than vanishing, these cultures continued

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<v Speaker 1>to evolve. Many of the ancestral Puebloans moved southward, forming

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<v Speaker 1>By fifteen hundred, the cultural landscape of the Southwest had

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<v Speaker 1>been reshaped into a mosaic of distinct but interrelated peoples.

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<v Speaker 1>Among them were the Pavoan peoples such as now the Hope, Zuni, Acoma,

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<v Speaker 1>including communal agriculture, religious ceremonies, and oral histories. Tracing their

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<v Speaker 1>They adapted to the desert with seasonal mobility and followed

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<v Speaker 1>Apache and Navajo, these were different types of linguistic groups

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<v Speaker 1>who had migrated from the north during the late Prehistoric period,

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<v Speaker 1>began to establish themselves in the region, bringing with them

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<v Speaker 1>new traditions of raiding, mobility, and pastoral as. Now was

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<v Speaker 1>into this new world that the Spanish finally arrived. In

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thirty nine, the Moorish scout Esponanzo entered Zuni territory,

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<v Speaker 1>only to be killed soon thereafter. A year later, Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>Vasquez de Coronado led a grand expedition northward in search

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<v Speaker 1>What he found were pueblos, impressive, yes, but not made

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<v Speaker 1>brought horses, steel, and disease into a fragile ecosystem and

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<v Speaker 1>a resilient, deeply rooted network of communities. Bough Coronado's expedition

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<v Speaker 1>failed to find riches, it marked the beginning of sustained

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<v Speaker 1>European interest in the region. The peoples of the Southwest, adaptable, spiritual,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes fiercely tied to their lands and traditions, would

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<v Speaker 1>soon face an era of colonization, missionaries, and resistance, But

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<v Speaker 1>as of the year sixteen hundred, they remained firmly in

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<v Speaker 1>control of them their ancestral homelands, their history already long

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<v Speaker 1>and complex, and their future remaining to be written. Next time,

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