Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to the six hundred
and ninety fourth episode of the Geekers Podcast. I am
the We've been here before, trust now, and I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By I am that got me, Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: You talking about the passenger trailer again? Is this you're
talking about? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not me personally though, Well I'll show that story when
we get into this.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, le Joon and we are here. If you
haven't guessed it, you might not buy the names, but
you clicked on it, you saw the title. We are
here to talk about Scream seven. Yes, the seventh edition
of this franchise also goes all the way back to
nineteen ninety six. We've never which I would love to.
We've never done a full on retro, but I have
reviewed Scream five and then me and Taylor reviewed Scream
six together. So there are some backlock reviews that I
guess I probably should have re released, but there are.
That's why if you joined Patren, you got the entire
backlock there. But yeah, we're here to talk about this movie.
As usual. We're gonna give our non sports, which I
feel like is a some movies. I know people are
getting right into it. Other movies I know are people
do listen as more was free because whether they're on
the fence, they're gonna sit down. Line. I know lots
of people, including our discord, which can you can join,
that are scene in a way where they don't gotta
give any money to Paramount. And that's completely fine, right
because obviously, Tayor, this movie's been quite a bumpy road
because abviously we had the original trilogy ended there they
did a fourth one, so you know, so be it.
And then in the Age of Halloween and Force Awakens
and I'm sure missing a few others, but the legacy
sequel happened, right, Taylor, And Okay, well, let's do that
in the same sense that they called Scream just Scream
five Just Scream, which I absolutely hate, which we'll talk
about maybe in a weekly Geek Bonus episode you can
see in the feed. I love that scary movie. Six
is a console scary movie. They're like parroting that they
do that, but I hate movies that do that. But
obviously that was the biggest opening that brought the franchise
in a big, bad way back, and then off the
success of that, they wouldn't have six, and that was okay, sure,
we brought some people back, but then it was we're
starting a new cast, right. It's very much Force Awakens,
where here's your right. Was the core four, that's what
they called them, right, And then we get to six
where Nev Campbell didn't come back, and that was which
we'll talk about in this movie. That was for some
fans obviously a point of contention because lots of people,
including myself, somebody that has a daughter named Sydney, considers
her like, that's my favorite scream queen, right, and lots
of people have her there. How can you do a
scream without her? Lots of talk about she wasn't getting
kind of getting low ball, and everyone's like, oh, that's
kind of shitty because like she's a face the franchise.
How you can do that? She goes away, so it's
his own controversy. And then you got Melissa Barrera, who
I can't remember the fuck. I can't even fucking remember
that character's name in those five and six, but anyway,
she's the lead. And then in between this and now
we're rung getting the full political thing, but obviously lots
of things happening with Gaza on palasign, so on social media,
she expressed her you know hashtag free pal sign, which
I support. We've done streams for that. It's not a
big issue. It's people that are innocent getting hurt. I
think that's what people should focus on, is not the war.
It's people that are innocent that have nothing to do
with that they had heard. I think that was the idea,
and I think that's why the other side where Okay,
Nev didn't come back, people are pissed. People are pissed
at that where it's like, Okay, she's just expressing that,
you know, I don't want people to get hurt in
this thing, and they canner right, and then General Ortaga leaves,
the director's leave. It's this whole and then actually two
directors leave. I guess one. We're on their way up,
but still they had another director, so it's complete mess.
So they go, Okay, we're gonna bring Nev back, bring
Courtney Cox back. Here we are we got uh they
didn't get Patrick Dempsey back. We're gonna time jump a
little bit, or are they We're gonna talk about that
with the daughter and here we are screen seven. So
Taylfield in a non sports thought, Uh, what did you
feel about Scream seven? Uh?
Speaker 2: I actually really enjoyed it. It wasn't like the greatest
movie of all time because there's there's certain decisions that
characters make that really pull you out of it. That's
not what are you doing? What are you doing? Then
if the scene is slow enough that I can kind
of catch up with my own mind and think like
what I would do in this scenario, then I think, Okay,
you kind of you're losing me a little bit. And
of course, like a movie like this, you're gonna get
you're gonna lose the audience at some times. But the
general reception i'd say was pretty positive because a lot
of people were having a good time in our theater.
They were really like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't trust some of those people.
Speaker 2: I had one guy with how vocal he was he
was he was he was laughing his ass.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm happy he's having a good time, But if
I'm not trusting him on his movie takes on the
conversations behind luckily not like talking too much. Was like,
I wouldn't trust this guy, you know?
Speaker 2: So yeah, but no, I think I need to do
a proper rewatch of these movies. Because the only screams
I've seen in theaters would have been yes, Scream six
before this one, and then Scream four when I worked
at the movie theater. I remember seeing that one in
the theaters. But yeah, as for as for this, I
think it's something that I would definitely rewatch because it
kind of it caught me off guard.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: But there were there was certain moments that I was
able to predict certain things. Well, no, I'm not gonna
say predicted. I'm not that cocky. There were certain things
that were a little bit like tells certain things with
Killer that kind of made me think like, oh, which
I'll highlight in the spoiler section because it's I think
they're trying to hide certain things. But then yeah, just
it kind of was exposed. But there's other things that
are just like scenes that are rushed way too fast,
and it's just like the setup is horrible, like they're
they're gas lighting and just all these different things like
what the fuck is going on? Yeah, but I'm excited
to kind of break it down a little bit. I
just again to shout outs, well, we've got the previews
at the beginning of the movie. Yes, there's that Passengers
movie trailer that got me the.
Speaker 1: Just Passenger, not Passengers with Jennifer Lawrence.
Speaker 2: And that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not online. You'd have to YouTube it. It's
still just trailer or theater exclusive right now.
Speaker 2: Oh really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we the after nine after we saw that trailer
you missed and we had to look for and it's
just on or just in theatrical right now, but I
can't find it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, that trailer is on and uh, I again,
I knew it was coming with Scare, so I was.
I was prepped for it, but I just dropped his
phone and he was vocally like, oh that got me,
just fucking killed me.
Speaker 1: It did. I don't get how this gets anybody. This
year is so obvious. I'm excited to see this movie.
I feel like we almost have to review it. I
don't know. I'm not promising that because we get busy,
but just feels like it's become a meme now. So yeah,
search up Passenger. It's a horror movie. The director actually
has some credibility, so so overall you you liked it.
Speaker 2: I liked it. Yes, I would recommend it, and I
feel like i'd even say and recommend it for theaters
because there's a lot of there's a lot of moments
where ghost Face is walking and the camera just you
get that base kicking in you hear his footsteps and
the camera just kind of does that ominous like downwards
like facing up views showing like him as the villain,
and he just feels so menacing and powerful, and I
think that like a theatrical experience, they do a good
job with that. That was one of the things I
like to Scream six too, was getting the different sequences
with ghost Face in these different scenarios and then like
you don't see ghost Face brandishing other weapons, but the
Stream six obviously when he's in the convenience sort of
the shock and it's like this is like this is
call of duty skin right, Like it's like what we
got going on here? So but yeah, just in here,
I think they do a really good job at just
emphasizing how ominous this villain is. And yeah, I really
enjoyed it. Every time ghost Face was on on the screen,
they did these things and this isn't a spoiler, And
this is where I think it really looks good on
the big screen is a character is doing something and
they did it twice that I counted where it's just
all black behind them, but then you see the shape
of ghost face masks just slightly there and then it disappears,
and it's it's super subtle, but I really liked it.
Speaker 1: I feel like that this is the our minud spoilers,
there's couple of times where the girls are walking to school.
At one point they look outside the window and there's
like leaves. I do feel like they're invoking a lot
of Halloween in this one, which is kind of odd
for another franchise to be doing that. So but yeah,
it was, it was effective, it was good there. So yeah,
So for myself, I've talked about this before. I think
Scream one is definitely if you talk about the top
ten horror movies, Scream has its place the very first one.
I know, people have all their favors, but that very
first one to me is something very special and really
kind of revolutionized horror in the nineties, and people are
trying to chase that dragon a lot, right, and the franchise.
I think everyone has their favorites and whatnot, but I
kind of go, like the original three, the Legacy sequel,
and then I'm not a big fan of four and
then the last one, and that's where my thing was.
I talked about this, TRUST told you in the discord
my expectations for this movie was to be the second
worst Scream, and I guess luckily I can say I
think that is true. It's not the worst scream, I
guess for me, and I think everybody's gonna feel different
about it. I think for me, the last scream just
got to such a believable, unbelievable amount. Nothing about the
nev thing. I was completely fine with them moving on.
I've said this before, like the Sidney Campbell character, I
wish you would have a happy ending, So I was
fine with Okay, here's the new legacy of people go
you know, and people like those characters, and they were
making money, so I was fine with that. It was
just more how unbelievable got. It got very convoluted, and
it got to the final killer reveal was not good.
The performances weren't good. So there's just multitude things that
happened there. This has similar of those issues where there
is some there's a convolut there is a convolution with
the killer in multiple facets, and I feel like there's
maybe one good red herring with the red Herrings are
either very obvious or very just kind of cheesy, or
we've kind of been here before. And I think that's
where I am with this because I feel that they
I'll give them credit. I think there's about and we
againness was. I think there's about two things that are
big plot points that they do a little bit different
friendly that were very fun kind of twists right when
you think you're going straight, okay, it goes, but then
the rest of the movie excuse me, kind of falls
your similar ghost face screen pattern. So you know, I
I just don't know where I am with the franchise now.
Like I was interested to see this because obviously there
was all these announcements of people coming back, and I
was interested to see what they're gonna do with the
you know, booting the old some of the old casts
and Sydney being back. But I just I feel that
I don't know if Scream because what is this Scream seven,
So I don't know if Scream eight comes out, if
I'll need to see that in theaters, if it's a
thing like right now, you know, I do the podcast,
we do this. I much resid evil Recriem is on
the PlayStation behind me. To you, it's just waiting to
be booted up now. Right. If this movie was great,
I wouldn't the thing about that or a bit oh
that next Scream. I can't wait. I think now, if
Screen eight were to come out and it is something
more I want to do, I'd go, you know what,
I unless this review does very well, because that's why
sometimes we do things, because you know, this is still
our small business, right, But I'm not like anticipating it now.
I don't know what else there is to do, and
I feel like even I'll just say some plot lines
were a big stretch. There was lots of cheese in here.
There's lots of moments that I hate to say it,
much like the last one, felt like they should be
more in a scary movie, like the parody movie then
versus Scream, And I don't think that's good. I don't
think once you start agetting that thing where the thing
that used to make fun of you, you do those
things still, it just shows you haven't evolved. In Plus,
it's still Ken Williamson who wrote those original ones, but
there is no evolution where I feel like it was Scream
five there was an evolution where I feel like Scream
six there was almost a de evolution. So I feel
like I just don't know what more there is to
do with this franchise. And I think there is more
to do it, I just don't think they want to
go that route. I think they, other than a few
twists and turns, they like to stay in their little bubble.
And I do think it's tough because it's a guy
that wrote the originals and now he's directing. But I
feel like at times we've talked about all time, especially
I feel like in the last ten years we talked
about as the Star Wars a fan service, right, I
feel like there's some good fans service stuff in here,
But then I feel like there's I won't say it.
I don't know if you end up watching it, but
there's a fan film that we were talking about, or
at least I watched, and I just remember I said
to you, like, if I ever did this, I would know.
I'm just be so overtly just doing the same things
over and over. And it's not just like similar plot beats.
It's just like they have identical music cues too, Like
there's three moments where it's the exact scene, exact same
scene as Scream one, and it's the same song. It's
not even like a cover of it, it's the exact
same song. They do that three times. I'm kind of
fine if you do it once, but find a new
way to work those things in. Yeah, that's where i'd say,
like this leaned more into the fans or stuff. This
led more into oh man, I've seen a bad fan
film with this, But I think, you know, acting is
good enough. I don't think we've got enough time with
the new characters. But that's the tough thing now, right,
because it's like they did that with Scream five, like
here's your new characters, but now it's like, well, actually
here's Sidney with the new characters, So you don't get
enough time the new characters. I like the person. I'd
have to look up her name. I'd like the pristal
place her daughter enough, that's good.
Speaker 2: I think she didn't Jennifer Lawrence Rencarne. My gosh, she
looks like Jaylaw.
Speaker 1: Okay, I disagree. I think there's Yeah, I don't think
she looks like Jaylaw like I think.
Speaker 2: There's from Passengers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she had some like some similarities, but I didn't
get that from but I I enjoyed her. I think
she was a good like co lead. But I think
with her and other I think almost with everybody, all
the story beats really soffer here and it's I know,
it's very surface level. So I think I could recon
definitely would. I don't think I'm gonna fail this. I
don't know where my phone is. I have to look
at like, I think I failed the last Scream movie,
but this is not like much higher than that. I
still think it's a past because I think the last
Screw movie for me got just completely ridiculous or really
is that what I gave it?
Speaker 2: Would you get?
Speaker 1: I think this is like a three point five out
of five?
Speaker 2: Well you love that movie?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's way and I remember giving that. Holy fuck.
So I'm gonna redact and at least I don't know
so take out the Scream six score. I need to
think about it. I guess I need to watch Scream six.
I need to think about that. So I would I
would pass this, but it's not like a strong pass
and I don't know if I have same like that's
saying Scream six. I've never watched again. Screams five I've
watched multiple times. I enjoy that. Scream six I haven't watched.
I don't think i'll need to. And same as Screen seven,
I don't see myself other than maybe doing a binge
one day or if the kids really want to watch
it when they're older, sure, but I'm not out of
my way, like I can't wait to see Screen stays like, Okay,
I got my phill, I got this. Uh that's done.
So yeah, Uh anything else there non sports?
Speaker 2: No, I think I think that's it for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess I didn't say like I got
nothing else. I would just say, if you like these
movies and you want to see in the theater, I think,
like Day said, yeah, there's some good score and silence,
you go see it with people. I think you we'll
have a fun time with it. But then I also
think for anybody that is on that camp where they
don't want to support this, whether it's for the morero
thing or all the other politics stuff, I don't think
it's a thing where it's like, man, you're really missing out.
You know. It's like it's like you'll be okay, Like
it's not like a must see Scream movie in my opinion,
And I don't know if there's ever gonna be a
must scene screen movie. I won't say ever, but I
just don't know what this crew, if there's gonna be
I think that I feel like this should be the
end of the road, but I don't think it will
because I think this will make money and then they'll
go make Screen eight and yeah, we will see. So
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We will address this first coment because I think this
is a good place to go first. Alex, Alex rad
I'm just gonna call you Alex for sort because I
think I fucked your name up before. But so so
so Sue is Dad. No more conspiracy theories by fans,
screams by scream fans. Oh, I'm sure still be out
there right because that's been a popul thing. So I
think I should have said this to non sports, but
I want to walk a fy in line, and I
think that's the thing that is a little maybe underwhelming
with the killer and the reveals and everything, because all right,
so we had heard about Stu gonna be back, and
Matthew Lillard's here. It's kind of like what we've heard
as far as rumors that they were bringing all these
killers back as Ai, but Matthew Lillard is the main one.
He gets multiple scenes. I think it's just, oh, it's tough, right,
I'll say that in the sense what I was getting
at is they want they wanted to bake their cake
and eat it too. It feels like they wanted to
do a movie where Stu was back and was the killer,
but they're like, well, we can't reckon that. And they
even say that right. The killers when they get there
be like, oh, I can't wreckon that be stupid, that's
too obvious, or that would hurt the franchise. It's like okay,
but it just feels like that's carrying you until the
reveal of who the killers are. And it's tough because
it's kind of like what everyone says, there's some movies
and should be shows have found a way, right, but
it's like texting scenes can never be that or are
usually not that exciting, right, So multiple times. You know,
the kill happens at first, and then they call Sydney.
It starts his ghost face Roder Jackson. Then it goes
into Stu's voice and say, oh, Sue Marker's dad and
she shows up on he shows up on the screen.
And granted I like that. It was like he had
burns on his face. He looked older, so that made sense, right.
The problem is it's just Matthew Like it's still cool.
And I don't get wrong, I think it's a fun
way to bring these people back. It's a good way
to get some cameos and it's not ghosts or whatever. Sure,
and in this day of technology, that does work in
my opinion, But the scenes just feel so and I
think Matthew Lillard is working his ass off. I think
he's trying his best to invoke Stu. The problem is
it's like somehow Roger Jackson when he's on the phone
with the voice, feels more alive than when it's just
Matthew Lillard on a screen and that's all it is.
It's like if you're facing with someone and all his
scenes are just he's face sending someone or he's on
the screen like fucking joker at Arkham Asylum.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: He does his best. It's just it's hard to engage
with the scenes because there's no payoff, like is dead
Matthew ARD's not gonna show up, right, So it's like
that's what you kind of want, so they kind of
just That's how I said they it's kind of a
cheat where Okay, ghost Face is really gonna be like
it's not really it's Stu. Ghost Face is Stu, the
spirit of Stu. But when we get down to the
end of it, it's like, it's not actually gonna be
Stu because we don't want to go that far. And
don't get me wrong, I don't think they should have
gone that far, right, So Justin WI says this was
disrespectful to the fans with Stu BS. They paid the
price four percent around the mails four out of ten movie. Yeah,
I Uh, Wes Craig wouldn't be disappointed. I can't speak
for Wes. I don't off saying. Don't don't know the man,
so I don't know what he would have thought. I
guess like what I want to ask Justin and for
and you can put this up in the chat and
anybody else. Uh, why would you be disappointed with with Stu.
Was it just that he's not alive? I guess I
just never thought that was a fact. I thought like
what they did with him was fine. I think it's
fun to see Matthew Little are having a comeback, and
they got to do that with Skeet all work a
couple of times. I'm not saying like four and ten.
I don't think my score is that far from it.
I still would passed this movie, but I'm not like
defending it in that sort of sense. And maybe I'd
failed eventually if I did a rewatch, because there is
some pretty there's some pretty bad moments in this movie.
But yeah, so like we speculated they used to do.
For Hey, I thought they were gonna use the other
killers a bit more, but they are just in the
climactic battle where Sidney's in the house. Of course, her
daughter gets kidnapped. Sidney's in the house, she's walking around,
and that's when we're getting the Arkham Asylum joker things
where they're popping on the screen and they got Scott
Foley back and him and I'm forgetting her name. She
was the killer in Scream two. God She's Billy Love
was his mother. I'm forgetting actress's mother. She's or the
actress's name, but she's a great character actress. So I
thought we were gonna get more of them, but they're
really just in just in the one scene there at
the end, which is okay, And then for the actual killers,
we'll go to tail on a second, see to step
away for the actual killers. It's not convoluted that I
can't follow it. It's just kind of all right, And
don't get me wrong, you know, I, oh, hang on,
I'll check back anyone. Justin he's got a he's got
a Stu avatar, so I'm giving him some moment here,
or them some moment. Well, Scream three was supposed to
have Stu alive. He wanted to happen. He made made
the script, but the Columbian shooting happened, and the script
was so dark they had to cut it. And he
said in the future he wanted to happen. Yeah, but
things have changed though, right, Like, I think that's the
unfortunate that these real life things, right, just and that
happens all the time in other scripts and other movies.
I think now it is kind of like what the
movie said, if he was alive somewhere just like missing,
and they didn't see him, and so all his body
wasn't burned. It would feel kind of like it feel
a little cheesy, the fact that he'd be gone for
this long. I think it's fun that they played into it.
I think that's just unfortunate timing where that stuff happened
with Scream three, and it is what it is, right,
you can't go back and change the past.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I would have felt about that,
because I don't even love the god Uh fuck, I'm
forgetting his name too. It's getting late. I'm forgot. I'm tired.
What the hell is his name? Roman. I don't love
the brother reveal either in Scream three. When you get
start lineage and oh I've been here the whole time,
it gets a little dicey. I don't also like the
whole like, well I really got Billy and study due
It's like, yeah, all right, I guess. So maybe I
could have been a better version, right, I think, don't
get me wrong, it would have been better to have
Matthew Lillard back. But yeah, I don't know. It's tough.
I think this is the best you can get. I
think at least just be even if you're not happy
with it, be happy with you got to see him
kind of how fun he ghost face like a little
bit like via the screen. But anyways, I will get
the movie credit for one thing is I did really
enjoy where Okay, the killing start, we'll get to the
characters with the killing start, and then they go to
Sydney's home, which makes very little sense. They these killings
start God Tatum right the name now after Tatum, she
they go home. They're gonna get out of her. She
lost one of her close friends. Okay, we got to
pack up. The police come in and they do a
whole sweep of the house because with the whole thing
they're they're gonna just get their go bags get out
of there.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Sidney's like, hey, I've done this before. We stick around
more people just get hurt. So they're packing up, which
I actually like this. They're they're packing up and they oh,
the house is clear. They leave and then as everyone
goes in the room is the pack They like zoom
up and they show the attict So it's like, okay,
that's fun. It's kind of letting us in on ghost faces.
There up and Attick. He's coming right, so for me,
he gets out and then he starts attacking everybody. And
then when he attacks Mark, which we'll get into Mark,
there's gunshots. The police are still outside. The police are
when we get when this scene ends, they're still out there.
There's still multiple cop cars out there. Why aren't they
running into the house. And especially to even me, it's
like they don't have to be in their fucking rooms,
Like I get it right, Like if Sydney or if Tatum,
I'm talking about Taylor, how uh, because Taylor's back When
they the first friend dies and they go to clean
the house, they search the house and they're about to leave,
how ghosts a cat attacks them and there's gunshots going on,
but none of the cops from outside coming to help
at all. It is that stuff where it's like, this
is the guy that wrote the original scream in the
troph I think he wrote all other three ones. Uh,
he wrote the original scream. This is like this is
Grade A one. Like what I was saying is I
would understand the police not being in Tatum's bedroom or
Sydney's bedroom. They got a change pack. Okay, why aren't
the police just in the fucking living room downstairs, like well, wait,
we're gonna be here. This is and her husband is
the chief of police, so I'd say he's very valuable.
Speaker 2: So not only wrote that off right because they said, oh,
we're gonna go canvas, the neighborhood can clear it.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna stay back, not one other officer. That's
gonna be bullshit. Now I get it. It's like, oh,
he would just take about right, But like that's the point.
It's little stuff of just like why why why can
you not just add one cop? There are a couple
of cos it just made no And also the gun
shots too, It's like the cops ever ran in. We
get to the point where they run outside and then
all the police are out there. It's like, I guess
they're camps in the area, but they wouldn't hurt a gun.
And it's not one gun shot. There's a one where
him and ghost faces the homely guns like like it's
it's laugh So that and this is where I said,
Tara is really in the theater. It'll things will forget
because we just watched the movie and I'm not taking notes.
Multiple things like that happened in this movie where you
just go just one little change in the scene and
it wouldn't feel dumb. I'll just answer this one and
then I'll go to you Taylor on a few things.
But it would be perfect mode since he didn't have
one in Scream one. Oh, I get what you're saying.
I think I said something else. Yeah, what did you
feel about Stu? The use of Stu and Ai Stu
and alviously we didn't get much of the other kills,
But what do you feel about that? Mcguffin, Because I said,
I was saying to you while you're going that it
kind of felt like they wanted Stu to Bego's face,
but they really didn't want to go full Monty and
like bring them back to life. So I feel like
it was kind of like a cheat where it's like, Okay,
we we really want Matthew Lillard and his performance to
to carry this, but at the end, it's not gonna
be him. So what do you feel about Stu's usage?
Speaker 2: I'm happy with it because as soon as we saw him,
I thought, well, I don't like that so early on
we just got the reveal here that's kind of lame.
Speaker 1: Oh, I liked that. I didn't mind that. I actually
didn't like either too. Or I liked the first ghost
Faces Killer being like killed in the first act. I
liked that too, And I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that because it makes me wonder, like, Okay,
what was the long term plan here? Like was was
he Was it intentional for him to die? Was he
just kind of sent there to test it? Because I mean, so,
I don't think the original character or the I don't
think the other two.
Speaker 1: The real the final ghost Face Killers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they anticipated Gaale Weathers to just appear.
Speaker 1: No, but I think they expected him to die because
they even say the two twins are like, oh, they're
trying to get the old Sydney Prescott back. So I
feel like it was a test, even though it's always
funny in these movies, like what happens if Carl just
killed them and the two kids like fuck man, we
had this whole plan and nothing happened, you know. So Yeah,
so I think they meant Carl to die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, I think sorry, what was the original.
Speaker 1: Question just to killers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I need to revisit the original film
to kind of remind myself about this characters. Stu so
forgive me for not being super well versed on on
stew but I found it believable. And I think the
use of AI is very clever because we're definitely live
in an age where I mean, it's it's funny because coincidentally,
on the radio today I heard they were getting reports
from people that there was AI fake like city police
officers that were zoom calling and it was AI and
they were zoom calling asking people for personal information. And
it's like, man, this just ties hand in hand with
what we just watched for Scream, Like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's completely believable. Now like maybe maybe like
even five years ago, some of this would happened, we'd
be like, oh, I don't know. Now is the things
that happened, this is completely believable, even though I will
say and this isn't where like the red Herrings were
too much for me. The boyfriend, right, So a few
things with the boyfriend. One that's what I hated because
you saidiot watched Scream one. It's literally the windows open,
he comes through and he's saying the same lines and
Billy so that's yeah, familiar, and they're playing the exact
same song. It's a cover of uh uh. It's a
cover of Few of the Reaper. It's it's literally the
exact same song from Scream one. So it's like, all right,
we're literally that. That's where this felt like very fan
film me. Even the point too, when she walks out
and she's like wearing Sid's jacket from college. If you
don't no, ta that's her attire from Scream two. Sydney's
tire is that jacket. But she walks that's like my jacket.
This big deal, like about this jacket. I thought I
threw that out and it's just like it's just like,
I guess I get it. She killed some people in
that jacket happened, but they that just felt very much
like if I was watching YouTube fane, like let's make
a big deal about the leather jacket. And know what's
weird is later on, like ten minutes later in the movie,
she just like leaves in the house and every goes
back like she leaves on the ladder and ever he
comes the thing again, this jacket. So it was like
super odd of just like I would rather just wear
the jack and her just be like, man, you remind
me like you look like me, and like so that happened.
But one of the red herrings is and everybody, every
fucking person you've worked with a you do a sou there,
we'll get there. But they're doing the just like they
didn't screen five the Twins or the Meek Twins, like, Okay,
we're going to interview everybody, Susan kill. It's probably someone
you know, like right, and again Spoils, I did appreciate
it's not someone they knew. I liked that aspect. Well,
I guess technically no, it's a lie. Still one of
them was one person and they know I will get there.
But anyway, so they're interviewing them for some reason. The
boyfriend and her leave and she like sits. I don't
even know how it's happened. She like sits in the
pastor seat, and his Mac is like halfway open and
it's open to like some software that's turning him into Stu.
Right now, for people, if you're just listening, you don't
care about this movie, just set the scene. He's not
guilty at all. The boyfriend's just Red Harry and he's
a good guy. Anytime there's a boyfriend, it's gonna be
Red Harry. Because Billy fucking loomis right, but he's there,
the laptops there, she sees what is this, what's this?
And it's him working on software. Now the answer to this,
and we don't get much answer because he gets killed
pretty soon after, but clearly the answer is, oh, he
was testing the software to see if it was possible
someone could do this, right, if someone could make themselves
look like ste Mocker and Paul wool overies. The problem
is when she pulls up the footage, he is in
the carra like I'm gonna slit your fucking throat, I'm
gonna eat your guts, and he does the he there's
no reason if I said, Taylor, can you test the
software for me? I just want to see if you
can make yourself look like Ted Bundy, right, I'd find
it pretty fuck you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna copy his mannerism exactly, and like, not only.
Speaker 1: Is this like I would understand if this was like, oh,
back in the day before I met you, like I
was a family's movies and my friend's fucked around like
she found something. This is current day. This is a
guy who is like about to become an adult graduate
and he's like, I'm gonna slip you're throw and he's like, no, no, baby,
it's not what you think. And it's like what else
even to Like even if that if he survived, which
is done because she punches him. They run. Of course
he finds her and then he's like, I'm not the
killed chick. I know, baby, I know it's not you.
He was gone the whole time. I don't know how
she knows. That's because he's about to get killed. So
it's sad. But even in real life, if that person
wasn't the killer and they survived, I'm not dating that
person any fucking more. That person's doing these weird AI
videos acting like that. It was so that, Like I
think this movie had a lot of bad red herrings,
but that was the worst one of him acting like
Stumacher on his computer like oh, it's not what you think.
It's not what you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just there's no grounds for it. Like when
when I saw it, do even even I genuine genuinely
believe like you're the fucking killer man, Like why would
you do that? Like it's just he was not selling
it because he was just brushing it off, like there,
it's it's you know, it's nothing. It's nothing, and I
was just trying to see if I could do it. Yeah,
what the fuck?
Speaker 1: That's why she's like, why don't someone in there just
be like, just make it that it's just a picture
of the boyfriend and a picture of Stu and that's it,
and then you can do the whole Okay, I'm testing
the software to help you out to catch this killer, right,
not him like giving line Like he's literally giving lines
that this person gave to her mom that like killed
a bunch of her friends. Like that's fucking weird. That's
so fucked up. And that's one thing I'll just say
about in general, I feel and know it's funny to
her she never found out that her other friends got
killed on screen when this we ended true, Yeah, like
I'm sure she found out, but she never reacted. We
never found that out.
Speaker 2: Was Lucas really a friend, I don't know, the other
girl was well neighbor, Yeah, but the other girl was
definitely more of a friend.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's fair. But still didn't not even a
scene of her reacting to that, not even like, oh
and I killed your other friends and you have her
cry nothing they like, And that's one thing I'd say
again as a negative, I don't think we spent so, yes,
how many ghostface killers where there was three, even though
I feel like it's more like two point five because Carl,
I think, was just like a guy from the Looney
Bin that they just pointed and go, So you go
kill this person for us, right? Because I guess I'll
say we might get back to friends, and I'll ask
you if you agree or disagree. I feel like we
need way more time with this friends group. I did
not feel connected with them at all other than City's daughter.
I did not feel like we spent enough time with
these characters for me to miss them getting killed. Where
Scream one, you spent tons of time with.
Speaker 2: Them, right, True, So you're saying Carl not really included
in the three. So which ghost face was in the school? Then?
Was that Carl at the beginning? No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It could be anybody. I think Carl could just be
sitting outside like the porchway for Sidney to come home. Obviously.
That is always the fun thing after Scream, is when
you watch them all to try and figure out who
could be doing what That could have been any of them,
I guess, But I feel like for time wise, well
because that scream was in the attic, right or that
ghost face, So wouldn't it make more sense for one
and the other two to be at the school. And
that's when Carl's was behind the attic, and I feel like,
and he does count, but I just feel like he's
more They they established that he's mentally disturbed, so I
just feel like they probably just you know, pointed him
in that direction. I don't think he was actually like
scheming and making the AI videos and stuff. I think yeah,
he was just like almost a decoy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's fair. I was trying to think, Okay, well,
which one was in the attic as well at that time?
Wasn't the neighbor The neighbor was out, Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: With the kid Carl it to car or to be
the other guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right because he's he's.
Speaker 1: Not there too. But uh yeah, Alex said it felt
like it was rush. Yeah, I agree with that. But yeah,
did you feel like we got enough time with the friends?
Speaker 2: No? And it's funny because when I was driving home
on the radio, the guy was like, yeah, Scream seven's
coming out this weekend, and guess what, there's over seventeen
people list posted on like the movie poster for this movie,
that's a lot of storylines.
Speaker 1: It feels like that is a lot of.
Speaker 2: Storylines to squeeze in here.
Speaker 1: Jesus, Yeah, it feels like that. So and then we'll
get to because we talked about the actual killer. So
again where it's super this it's super convoluted, not a
convlute where we don't understand, just so I want to
say convoluted. It's just like long and for me born
they set up and so I got half of this right.
I thought, I'll get the character's name. But there's the neighbors,
and there's a mom and son deal. I did think
the other killer was so it's Anna Camp. I did
think the other killer was the son. I thought it
was gonna be her and the sun together. I thought
it was gonna be a thing where they kind of
grew up. And she told the story of that just
because in The Boys or whatever, we've seen him play
like kind of a psycho, So I thought they're gonna
do that. I did think they were doing red herrings
too much, but then I thought, okay, they're doing that
on purpose. But what it is is and she or
the other guy kills her own son and she's just
completely fine, no emotion there, okay, cool, which is just
so funny because like Scream two is all about the
killer becoming a killer because like someone killed her son,
like the mother the love of a mother, right, And
I feel like they could have played more than that
that her son's dead, but they did. It's just like
an off mention, like you, what about your son? I
didn't like them, he's too much like his dad. Moving on.
Is Sam mentioned in this, I don't think by name.
They mentioned the events of the sixth film. They also
take a lot of shots at that sixth film too.
They're like, well, it's not true ghosts face killing if
Sydney's not there. And they're like, oh, well, I didn't
care about like go say killing because you sat that
one out. So if you're a fan of that, I
don't think it's like a like a like you can't
watch this. But they definitely take their time to kind
of like crap on it a little bit. I thought
the twins would die so the meets Twins, so I
thought they would crap on it even more, but they survived.
Didn't do much for them anyway, So the killer and
a camp. So she's a neighbor with her son. Her
son's one of he's one of the Red Harriings because
he's just a date line like true crime fan, right.
He does get killed in a very stupid way. Hate
his kill. A person takes They're at a bar and
the ghost face takes his head and like slams it
on this thing. It's like, why is this thing so
sharp in the like it's literally like a medieval weapon.
But he puts puts his head on this bar like
beer filler. And then when he puts it down, the
beer like shooter like the whatever. I don't know what
it's called.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the nozzle goes off and it's shooting blood and
beer out of his mouth. I was like, that definitely
took some points off from me. Not a fan of that.
Not a fan, you're a fan, I see laughing. Oh.
Speaker 2: I think it was very creative, but I definitely didn't
need it. Uh yeah, I just feel like it was
a little unnecessary because it's just you have all these
other kills that just are like quick, you know, gut
shots and stuff like that, and like one other kill
at the beginning of the movie with the two people
in the house, where it's like, okay, the boyfriend gets
it in the side of the head and you see
his eye turning sideways and whatnot. But then all of
a sudden you get a very articulated and over the
top kill thrown into all just the stabbings and randomness.
It's like, well, that just feels a little out of place.
Speaker 1: This is the kills in this for a while, because
I like, I'm somebody that I was fine with one
movie doing this, maybe four, But I'm on the camp.
But I don't think the Scream movie's gotta be so gory.
I think this one went overboard on the gore. I
think it's stuff like, to me, the perfect gore level
is in Scream one when he's stabbing Drew Barrymore and
then from a wide shot you can see her hang
from a tree and her test signs up. I think
that's the type of corere. It's like, oh that gets you.
There's literally stuff where he stabs one and their guts
fly out. Uh. The killer gets her face literally shot off.
You see her face fall off, and it didn't look
good either. You have this one with the beer the.
Speaker 2: Firewas Have they implemented that kind of idea like take
shoot him in the head like in the other previous iterations. Yeah,
they really fucking quadrupled down on this with the shooter
in the head.
Speaker 1: It's it's always been big like, but especially in three,
it really started to be like a reoccurring joke. So
it's always to shoot him in the head thing, and
that's how it ends. As the killer this Jessica Bowden.
She gets both Sydney and her daughter Tatum have a
gun and they're just popping off the shooter her face off.
I was not a fan of that. I don't get
me wrong. I love Saw. I just don't need the
kind of very gross kills in this one. There wasn't
no oh but then even stuff like the other friend,
she just dies by like the ghost face throws her
off a bar and she lands on a bottle and
it like slices her throat and it's like did they not?
That's where the rushing how do we kill her all?
She's gonna fall in a bottle? It's like did they
Not much ti either, But we'll get to it that
So the killer reveal is the neighbor with the son
that like I said, they killed the son. Okay, So
it is three where there's this guy Carl, He's from
a looney bin. He's just kind of a point in
one direction. The real people are the neighbor, the crazy
kid who's not really crazy, his mom played by on
a camp. Her whole story is fuck, I hate this too,
and also her her like reason is almost like a
shot Scream six, but it's like she read her she
was an abused victim from her husband. She read her book,
I can't remember what it is like out of Shadows
or whatever that she wrote and Scream five. So Sidney
wrote that book and she felt inspired. But then Sidney
like went away, and I guess they're just implying because
she wasn't Scream six. She was not helping by catch
the ghost face killers. So she just like I wanted
to ruin Sydney's life and like, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: I know because because she inspired, Sidney inspired her to
kill her husband right and free from that cycle. And
so well, because Sidney disappeared and says like she's like, oh,
where's my inspiration, Like you're not in the spotlight anymore,
like I needed you and now so she's going to
create this new traumatized Sidney two point zero versions that
I don't know. She was just fucked in the head,
hens she why she was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the tough thing too, where
it's just because they're kind of just like she's fucking
but they're they're treating her like she's like a big
fan girl, right because when she's like, you weren't even
they are New York. That's the problem where I said,
we've been this before. That's what we did with Scream
like five, what like even Scream two is Mickey is
a big fan Scream five the reveal is Jack Waiting
and Mikey because there's such fans and Stabbed films. They
met on a form and then they became sick together
and then they they created this idea like let's remake
stab right, like let's do it again. So the problem
is like it's a different version of an obsessed fan
or sick a fan, but it's still that again, right,
And it's just that's the thing where it's like that
Mike asked me, like what would I do? That's why
I was always fine with them getting away was from
Sydney because like, what else can you do with Sidney Prescott.
We've now, we've done this beforeward it is like the
sick fans, It's like okay, Like and that's the thing
where I didn't like the reveal of seven. I thought
it was over the top how we got there, and
I think the acting wasn't good. But I was like
okay even then though, no, because it's like the family's
going to take out the person that killed their son.
Guess what. That's what has screamed two is that's Billy
Lewis's mother's It's like, that's the thing where they I
think they're afraid to take big leaps. And then the
second killer forgot to mention because you know what didn't matter.
He was fucking killed like bat Taylor, no fanfare whatsoever.
We meet this guy once he works at the looney bin.
He gives some false bread crumbs about stuby and alive,
like yeah, there's some guy that got hit in his
head and he bah blah blah blah. He looked like
this guy, that's him, that's John Doe. All this shit right,
he's just like I guess he was, he just a
like I know he was the AI guy. But was
he just a fan? Like they met right, he likes
the book too, So Anna Camp goes into the same
side and they bond over this book and they bond
that they got to get Sydney. Yeah. I just didn't
like so for me, I understood the motivations of Scream six,
but I thought we've been there before. I did like
the acting, and the acting was fine here. I just
thought this I did not care about this motivation at all.
I thought this was probably the worst one we've got
yet for why we're doing. It's like, well, Sydney decided
to go out there, like I need that, Sydney.
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, you know what the motivation is
gonna be for Scream eight, and it's gonna be. Someone
was watching the interview between Gaiale Weathers and Sydney Prescott
and like the interview thirty years in the making, was like,
oh you got kids. No no, because he was like,
I don't want to talk about this lab on air
is dangerous. I mentioned that's what they're gonna go with it.
Some crazy fanatic watched it on TV. I'm just like,
I'm gonna follow suit.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and at least they did. I was
very bummed that they didn't rop bring they didn't bring
out Patta Dempsey. They got another cop named Mark, and
at least they make Cannon because in the first or
in screen five, they showed her a twins, so everyone
was saying, like, why is her where the twins go?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 1: Why's her daughter so much older? So I guess they're
just saying in Scream six or five, they just didn't
mention that she had I had three kids actually, so
that's where Tatum was. She was still born. So they
didn't wreck on the twins away. The twins are just
on vacation, and I just I love they're just like, oh,
what's going on with the kids? Like, oh, well, whatever
city they're in, they're like, we got every officer and
they got every officer watching that house. And it's just like,
so again, why was no officer watching here? But yeah,
how'd you feel that these uh, these two killers here.
Speaker 2: That was one of the things I saying about earlier,
which when the one the one killer, Okay, you could
tell like, yeah, burly guy, the way he's moving. But
then when the daughter, Sidney's daughter was in the streets,
and you see that one ghost Face moving, you could
immediately tell it was the physique of a woman.
Speaker 1: Well that that doesn't always matter though, because even watched
him out with Scream four.
Speaker 2: Uh the other ones, the Scream four with Emma Roberts. Yeah,
I think they mask that quite Well, no they don't.
They don't know because I didn't see that coming at all.
Speaker 1: Well no, I'm telling you why because the final like, no,
when you're just about purely the body size and everything,
when you when the reveal happens, that's Emma Roberts. It's
let's say, Scream ghost Face stabs Sidney right and she
falls down and it's like a six foot dude. But
then when they cut and she takes the mask off,
like Ghosts has like shrunk like in between scenes, like
it shrinks. It's like when Michael Keane takes off his
mask and returns and his paint's gone, Like that's what happens.
So like it's it doesn't matter who's under that car
because it's just whoever the stunt guy is. So like
I'm not saying they didn't make it line up here,
but in the past it has happened where it's like
the sizes don't don't mix up at all with who
the actual killer is, you know.
Speaker 2: That's fair. That's what just threw me off though, because
when that going ghostface was walking into town, it was
the it was the girl in the in the suit.
I was like, okay, that's who who could that be? Yeah,
so I was trying to can figure that and for
a second I thought like, oh, maybe it's gil Weather,
it's under the costume or something like that. But yeah, no,
I think there was not enough sustenance there. I like
the whole basic idea of just to cnit craze fanatic
and a fan just obsessed with City Prescott and they
disappear from the spotlight so they couldn't kind of lean
on them anymore as inspiration. But yeah, I didn't. I
did not see it coming of it being the neighbor.
Although I can't remember the name of the actress that
played in A Camp and a Camp Yeah, a pitch perfect.
I thought she when she went wild, I really enjoyed it.
I thought that was awesome because she was being super
zany and just like just running with that role quite well.
So I did like that. But yeah, she got absolutely
fucked up, which was which was something else even two.
Speaker 1: It was so weird of like, okay, so they recreate
Scream one where they have Tatum tied the chair and
they're gonna kill her and they're doing their whole speech
ye da da da. Of course somehow these people. Mark
survived these stabs, which again I don't I like Joe McHale.
I don't think this role was right for him. I
don't think and that's not just me being salty that
they recast Patrick Dempsey pretty much. I just think that
he didn't bring in the the like I just never
believed as the police chief. I'm just gonna be honest.
I never was a police chief.
Speaker 2: No, but I thought his chemistry with Neive Campbell was
fucking awesome when they were in that bed together. I
was like, when they were in that bed together, I
was like, oh, I'm fucking feeling it right now.
Speaker 1: I think the kiddo shoe was fine. I know it
was no Patrick Dempson her, but I thought was fine.
But yeah, they so go ghost face kill well, stabs
him a bunch. He survives, so they pull him out
and of course he has his knife and he's cutting
Tatum's like a tape off her leg. So they can fight.
So I'm just saying, there's a dumb point where like, okay,
they the second guy, the warden guy or whatever, the
guy works at the looney bin. Uh Sydney just gets
a gun shoots him, so he's dead right away quickly.
And then and I can't runs into their I guess
doing some renovations on the garage, so there's plastic everywhere.
So she runs in there to like hide or something.
I don't know. And then Sidney goes in there and
the ghost face costumes just like hanging on the wall.
Why would she take that off? Like why would you
have the time to, like, like, you're running for your
life killed him and you're like, you're gonna hang it there?
Speaker 2: You see where she hid?
Speaker 1: Did you catch that? I don't remember now.
Speaker 2: So when Sidney goes in there to turn the music
off and you can see behind her through the through
the fucking plastic drapes, the ghost face Killer drops down
from the fucking rafters, and I was like, what the
fuck she was up in the ceiling.
Speaker 1: She just threw her costume out there apparently.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So no, I was. I wasn't a big fan
of all this stuff, and I also wasn't a fan.
We talked about a few things, but like why Gale
didn't follow her like you in the same movie have
like I can't. They established Sidney can't trust anybody, and
then the ends and he's like, well, I can trust you, Gail.
Why the fucking Gil go out her? She know, like
they knew exactly, Like Sidney's like, they're going tell the police,
they're going there. Gaile just sat at the news station.
He's like, well, I hope Sidney's okay, Like it was.
Speaker 2: Why didn't Sidney just really yeah, that whole scene where
Sidney gets to the car and it won't open them
and then runs off. It's like, well, yeah, because Gil
have keys and you.
Speaker 1: Call this like why don't you ask you this? There's
like a five minute scene or not five minutes. There's
like a five to ten seconds s Sidney trying to
open this door that she's in the keys to. It's
like what. And there's a moment this where it fell
like Scared a movie where Tatum is running through the streets.
They've established that's curfew, no one's in these streets and
all these businesses are closed, and she just like, somebody
help me. I'm gonna get killed. Like she's just doing
the like Anna faris in the middle of the road
like somebody, I like, no one's here, there's no one,
like what's going on, Like what's happening in this moment.
I don't blame the actress at all. I don't and
it's not her, just the writing of just like just
have a run. There's so many times where too, like
she runs a little bit and she hides behind like
that wood board. It's just like they can see you,
you know, Like it's like I don't know.
Speaker 2: She's got her cell phone on her person and it
doesn't have a fun call until she's locked herself in
her mom's coffee shop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or why not call nine one one exactly. Hey,
I'm the police chief's daughter. And it's not like the
first time. Right, if it's the first time, you go, okay,
maybe it's a praying blatlah. It's like no, no, no, like
I'm you know whatever, she's daughter, and I'm gonna get
fucking killed right now. You know my friends have just
got killed. Yeah, they're gonna try and kill me too,
And okay, sure, especially like it seems like in this
town they really respect the police chief. So it's not
like I don't know, it's like, okay, get someone over
there quick, like get it's very very strange. So have
you watched eighteen eighty three Taylor?
Speaker 2: Uh no, not yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, she's in there. She plays Elsa Dudden. There you
goes to the daughters. Yeah, yeah, the daughter, and she's in.
She does in one episode of Yells, and she does
the boys. She's in nineteen twenty three as well as
Elsa Dutch.
Speaker 2: I know the voice in nineteen twenty three?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how could she be in nineteen twenty I guess forty? Wait?
How could she be in both? Nineteen twenty three?
Speaker 2: She narrates, She narrates. It's like her the family legacy
and stuff like that. But I know the actress that
was the first victim at the beginning. She is from
the landman. Uh so they're pulling all the paramount actresses
in into here.
Speaker 1: Oh what a thunk? Yeah? Yeah. And then that's I
was just gonna say too, where we're talking about the
moving Russian writing, I just felt like the dynamic between
the daughter and the mother, it just felt very surface
level and it just didn't feel earned. It also to
me just didn't track with any like Scream three and
I get she has kids now. With Scream three, Sitney
like leaves the door open where now they do drop
one line where it's like, well, I have you now,
But it just it feels like Sidney kind of regressed
and they want her, and I guess it's the point
of the killer, right, So maybe it's not as a
hard critique, but it just felt like any every moment
it was like, oh, what are you doing today? Well,
why do you care? Moment, what do you It's just
I just feel like we needed more time with them
as mother and daughter, even though they just didn't get along.
But like it's it's tough for me to compare because
I need the exact dialogue. There's just many dialogue scenes
that just weren't working for me and just felt very
forced if we need to have a contentious relationship. And
so I think acting once was fine, but I just
thought the drama they're having felt very forced to me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean there were some moments that I
was enjoying, but I can see that where some of
the elements were forced. But no, I like, I think
that Campbell did a really good job at I mean,
she owns role. This is her role, so of course
she's going to do a good job with it. But
I think she delivered on being very emotional and having
those moments with the daughter where daughter was kind of
prying into the history and Campbell was just kind of
like deflecting it and kind of changing the topic. And
I think there were some good emotional moments together that
I really liked. I'm surprised they didn't try going into
that panic room a little sooner though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I don't like, I get I don't
know why they she let her daughter leave that panic room,
because it's just like, I don't know she she.
Speaker 2: The husband, right, the dad mark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but why did she let her daughter convince her
to let her followers? I know you're staying here. There's
a fucking panic room. The doors are like bank vault
steel going on here. You know you stay in here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Reo says that I just watched the movie movie suck
Kills were good, but the ending suck balls. I don't
know if I can say so balls, But yeah, I
wasn't a fan of it. It's it's hard, Like I
think it's tough because the screen. I think that some
of the hardest things are the opening and the ending.
I think the opening went on too long for me.
I liked some aspects of it, but I think they
took too long with that. I think the ending is
tough because I think I did not like last one
where Scream five to me was a fantastic ending like
no notes, I think they really delivered there. I think
Scream three, like I said, gets a little convolute, so
I'm mixed on that. Scream two is also a little
a little messy. But yeah, no, I don't get me
wrong though, if you say that, I could say, oh,
I see that. I'm not gonna fight you on it. Like,
there's definitely some things that sucked some balls there, so
I'm trying to think, uh yeah. And then they brought
the Meeks twins back, who were from the five and six.
I still like those actors and I liked them in
their role. They got taken out like the you like
them this? Okay?
Speaker 2: No, I felt like they were just way too flamboyant
and just I appreciated their contribution to figuring things out,
but I didn't like they were just thrown in there
and just being kind of like that is it gonna
sound mean but idiotically wrong with their gauges and stuff
like that on the two people they suspected and just
being very like too too much about it.
Speaker 1: And then they did make that joke though right about her, like, well,
you're wrong last two times. I guess he's so. I
feel like if they come back next movie, they got
to get it right, you know.
Speaker 2: I hope so, but yeah, they just dispatched quick.
Speaker 1: They were still right though when they said it's gonna
be someone you know, and they knew the neighbor right,
like Anna Camp, so like it's still someone they knew technically, right,
So yeah, oh, I thought there's another Oh, I was
gonna say. Though they got taken out very easily. She
just got like a slice on the stomach. She was
back later on. And then as one of my least
favorite things, do you remember screen six, when this guy
was stabbed like fifteen million times by two ghosts and
survived this movie, gets stabbed in the shoulder. He's done.
He's done. He's not dead, but he's just done for
the movie. It's like, what, like, I don't know, I know,
you're working actor. You gotta get out there. I still think,
in my opinion, these people should have they should have
fallen Jenner tag. I'm like, you know what, we're not
gonna come back either, and they should I think they
could have got some crap being like, yeah, you fucked
over our friend, we're not gonna come back, and uh,
you know. But Rao says it felt rushed as well.
I feel like that's uh, you know. And I've said
that other people in comments, So I feel like that's
a general feeling from everybody that does feel a little rush.
It feels like and I don't get me wrong, I
don't think there's a longer version of this movie. I
think this is the movie. I'm sure there's some deleted scenes,
but I don't think it's like, oh they cut this
this this. It definitely feels rushed. I feel like you
don't get much time to breathe. I don't know went
once Sidney gets the call, they do like a little
breathing there, but like from the first kill and then on.
But I feel like, again, that's not written the best,
so it's not great area breathing. And again, yeah, no
acting problems like other than for me, Joel Mchill didn't
really bring it, but like I like the daughter, like
Tayo said, I think Nev Campbell does a great job
as always. So I had no And even some of
the newer people, like the boyfriends are like, they're all fine,
Like I don't think anyone stood has been bad. But uh, yeah,
I just laugh at that Meeks brother. Yeah, twenty fucking
knife shots like run and this one just nah, she
one shoulder and I one should shoulder too. Come on,
he's done, no final act or nothing, He's just gone.
So I'm trying to think you have anything else.
Speaker 2: To shop out, Well there was, I don't. I don't
think you mentioned it yet. But when she goes in
the coffee shop and she's she's already ghost face and
she's running away from ghost Face, and so she's at
the doorway, she throws a chair and knocks ghost face back.
Then that ghost face stands up, and then she turns
to run, but in the outside of the shop is
the other ghost face.
Speaker 1: Either way around.
Speaker 3: The ghost face gets up after Yeah, when she goes,
ghost faces at there, and so you get like a
slow most scene of like the ghost face in the
shop walking towards her, and then the slow most scene
of the ghost Face outside started to like charge like
fast walk, and I'm like, the way it was filmed,
I thought, holy fuck, they're gonna.
Speaker 2: Go toe to toe. The ghost faces are gonna fight
each other because their rival ghost Faces, and I was
I was ready for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was having new too, because to
the movie's credit, I was kind of like, Okay, all
the characters other than neighbor, but her close friends, they
all got killed off in the sequence, right, like her friend,
the boyfriend, the guy from gen V. So I'm like, Okay,
who's it gonna be. And I thought, Oh, it's gonna
be maybe like some sort of that's why we got Carls,
like some sort of cult or something like that. So
it's like they want to claim the kill for themselves, right,
and I like almost like the uh god, what movie
like ready or not like something like that. None of
the actual like satanic like people exploding, but just like
I thought, oh, it's gonna be a bunch of followers
and they're like competing to see who can kill like
Sidney Prescott, who could do this, right, But no, it's
just that they did that. I thought you were gonna
bring up where she hits the coffee shop. Nev you've
seen the trailer. She tells her, Hey, there's a gun
in the office. She closed the door. She puts like
a bookshelf and a desk against the door. Do this
whole sequence, which I think it's fun. She's like, oh,
you got you know, move left, move right, Okay, shoot
him now, shooting now. She shoots him. She shoots ghost
face and he's down the ground. And then she proceeds
like open up the doors and remove all the barricades.
I know that. Sidney said, like shoot him in the head.
Why if that was my kid, I'd be like, hey,
just if he gets up, shoot him in the head.
Speaker 2: You know, not even if he gets up, you shoot
him in the head. You open that door a little
bit and from your little him in the head, like
don't true, don't Because she's just going like, oh, I
killed him.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 2: I got him. And then Sidney's like, I know you did,
but you got to shoot him in the headling.
Speaker 1: But but even then I would say, just stay in
that room. I'm on my way. We're gonna send And
again they told the they never showed up too. They
told the news guy to call the police, and he did.
He called the police, so because he's like, wan to
buy my interview, so police should be arriving soon, so
just stay in that room and it's gonna be okay.
But no, she gets kidnapped, and uh, you know that's
where again I feel like they were definitely trying to
make Sidney the main character because uh, I could be wrong,
but I don't think Sidney Prescott ever got kidnapped. She's
been hell a gunpoint nfe point, but I don't think
she's ever been tied to a chair and whatnot. So
they definitely still established like, hey, like the daughters still
number two. She's not on equal footing, you know, and
like that the end man when they shoot her and
she's like okay, and she's like I'm Sidney Prescott's fucking daughter.
It's like all right, Like your dad's like half dying
over there. You guys gonna go take care of him. Like, hey,
I just some of the dialogue wasn't wasn't working for me.
Speaker 2: So the other character and again Red Herring, the drama
teacher who they introduced and had some like comments towards
Sidney Prescott's daughter, and then it was outside the lines
like the police tape looking at shit, and it was
like the first person Sidney Prescott looked in at me
and was like sizing him up. And then that's the
last we see of them. But they introduced him and
they set it up like Okay, maybe there's something with him. Yeah.
I never came back. It was just like a very
loose thread.
Speaker 1: I was glad because I actually really enjoy that actor.
He's a great comedic actor, so it's like I don't
want him in there. Two very awkward scenes is when
he goes up to she's like in a play and
she trips and then the teacher pulls her side. He's
that teacher. He's like, you know what you don't have
Sidney Prescott. I thin they have little fight in here.
I was like what what that was the fan film
stuff where it's like a fan wrote this, like it's
like you don't have that grit your mother has. It's
like what, like who would honestly say it? Like a teacher?
That's employee who say that? And then it's so weird,
like I don't know if you got this five taste,
so maybe I'm wrong, But the teacher cell you don't
have confidence and then she gets in the back with
her boyfriend and she's rambling on. But like, oh I
I I like what I like? What are some features?
Why don't I'm not just not confident because X Y
and Z, I feel like we didn't see the character
much made. It's been like ten minutes, but I feel
like what we saw the character, she was very confident.
She was arguing with her mother in a very confident way.
So the fact they're trying to get the storyline of
this character's not confident. I've not seen that whatsoever. She's
not like a quiet, nervous shy. She's like getting up
in her mom's face. She get she's saying talking back
to the teacher. She's in her friend, she's trying to
go to a party later. It's not like I don't
know if I want to go, Like the only reason
she don't want to go to the party she doesn't
know if her mom won't let her. Make that character
be like I don't know if I really want to go,
Like I don't. Parties aren't my thing, like they've made
her I won't. It's like uber confident, but not in
a way where she's like, am I confident? I get it,
they're young, they'd question it, but just some questionable stuff
happening in that place scene there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that's all I have. I know someone's gonna
probably pup my mind. I'll forget about it. I'll remember,
but like, I don't have anything immedia right now. Is
there something you want to shout out?
Speaker 2: I liked how prepared Sidney Prescott was in this. I
really really enjoyed that, where like she she gets the
whole police force on it at the school and then
she walks into the auditorium where her daughter would be,
and then she just has that gun going. It's just
firing down. I like that she's got the lost safe
right away in her house, and I like that she's
got the other guns located, the cameras, all this stuff.
I like how prepped and tactical she is. It reminds
me of Lorie Strode Halloween twenty eighteen, where she's got
her house the decked up, ready to trap Michael and
all that stuff. So I can really I get on
board with that. I thought that was that was well done.
What was the other thing I wanted to shout out to?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: I can't remember probably not important. Probably not important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So my final thoughts are I enjoyed some aspects
of this, but as a whole movie probably uh yeah, this,
this one's like a tough score. I feel like I'm
just gonna I really don't know, because again I've established
like a five as a pass for me, like even
saying six, I really have to go back because I
think now with Scream six and he's seen it, like
given a three point five, I have to think there
was maybe some good shots or some killers, and that
feels higher than I thought, and I felt like I
had failed that movie, but I guess not, so I
will just give this a six for now. I'm gonna
have to go back and change the other score at
least put down there. But I'm gonna give this. Yeah,
I'll give this like a it would be like a
three out of five. Yeah, no, you know what, because
of some reputation, I'm gonna go a five point file.
I'll drop a little a five point five. So I'm
I'm failing it. It's right in the middle there because
I feel like, yeah, I don't know. I'll have to
think about that, but I just in this movie a
little not compared to anything else I'm feeling about it.
I still feel good enough to pass it, but not
enough to give it like a high mark. So yeah,
i'd be like a five point five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I am, all right. When I think
back to the previous film, Scream six, and I think
about how they really just dived into the legacy stuff
with all the stuff from the police evidence files and
all the ghost Face Killer costumes and all the iterations
and just all that information, I really like that. I
can't remember what my rating was, but I don't know.
This one just feels very safe back to its roots,
and um, yeah, like if I really had to think
about what I would give it, i'd feel like I'm
more positive than most, so i'd probably be inclined to
go seven, seven, and ten. I think, yeah, because I
think the rewatchability is there and I definitely want to
watch it again because I had a lot of fun
with it. But it's not perfect. I like you highlighted
that one kill on the bar. We didn't need that.
That was that was way too flamboyant and excessive, and
there's a couple other things that I just it's it's weak,
it's not it's not for me. But I like the
incorporation of AI. I like how intense they made these
ghost faces to be. And I think a lot of
the action sequences were good, and and a lot of
just really cool moments, like when Carl that ghost face,
it's slowly like you see the top of the attic
panel and the ceiling opening up and then he just
drops down just wear his mask is like fading away
in the shadows behind people as they're moving around. Just
some really cool cinematic shots I can really really appreciate.
So I, as I said earlier, I recommend it. I
think it was, at least for me, a good time
and something I will rewatch.
Speaker 1: There you go. Well, that is our thoughts on screen seven.
Let us know what's in the discord, YouTube, Patreon, social media, whatever. Uh,
let's know you thought, let's know if we miss anything,
or let us know if there's something you disagree with.
We're always down to have some conversation, a nice friendly
conversation about it. But yeah, that is our view for
screen seven. When do you hear from us next? It
will not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye.