Speaker 1: Tom Haberstrow, Tommy, Happy Tuesday. Just so you know, snowy cold.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's a February in Salt Lake. How
Speaker 1: we holding up? Where you're at?
Speaker 2: It's about eighty degrees and sunny. I hate to tell
Speaker 2: you where are you? I mean Charlotte, Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Your home, beautiful Charlotte, North Carolina place that I that
Speaker 1: I love an awful lot. All right, Tom, First of all,
Speaker 1: let's start with Porter is bragging because he picked all
Speaker 1: four number one seeds. You go to the final four
Speaker 1: like a simp. Yeah, that means he's winning our brackets.
Speaker 1: So he's become unsufferable. I believe you filled out a bracket.
Speaker 3: Did you did? Did you go all chalk or did
Speaker 3: you Did you do.
Speaker 1: Like I did and picked upsets because you know you've
Speaker 1: watched this thing before.
Speaker 2: I did a lot of upsets, which I think was
Speaker 2: a balance with my pick to win it all Duke,
Speaker 2: So I felt like Duke was far and away the
Speaker 2: best team. I also saw Duke in person and was
Speaker 2: blown away at how professional they seemed like. They seemed
Speaker 2: like an NBA team with the way they played and
Speaker 2: the talent that was on the floor, and even though
Speaker 2: I had no point of reference because I didn't watch
Speaker 2: any other team really in person, it just felt like
Speaker 2: this was a team that was destined to win it all.
Speaker 2: And when Cooper Flyag got hurt in the ACC Tournament,
Speaker 2: I was actually there here in Charlotte, and I was
Speaker 2: a little worried because I was like, man, it would
Speaker 2: be great. As much as it pains me to say,
Speaker 2: as a kid who grew up as a Tar Heel
Speaker 2: fan going to UNC basketball camp and then going to
Speaker 2: nearby Wake Forest, there was a common enemy among those
Speaker 2: two schools, and that's the Duke. But I found myself
Speaker 2: watching Cooper Flag and Malwatch and Canipple and these guys
Speaker 2: and feeling like they are it's already scripted that they
Speaker 2: are that good and that talented, and it was good
Speaker 2: to see that Flag made it back on the floor,
Speaker 2: and I just feel like this team is that much
Speaker 2: better than everybody else the rest of my bracket. Let's
Speaker 2: not talk about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm in the same boat. I'm in the
Speaker 3: same boat.
Speaker 1: But let's stay in this space for a moment, because
Speaker 1: you know, I think there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: that casually watch sports that maybe a lot don't really
Speaker 1: watch college basketball, but they heard the name Cooper Flag
Speaker 1: all year, and certainly around here, if you're a basketball fan,
Speaker 1: you can't have a conversation without hearing Cooper Flag. Because
Speaker 1: the Jazz just became the first Jazz team in fifty
Speaker 1: plus years of an organizational history where they've lost sixty games.
Speaker 3: It's never happened. This is the worst team we've ever
Speaker 3: had here.
Speaker 1: And so whenever the Jazz come up, it's not very
Speaker 1: long Timmy before Cooper Flag's name come up comes up.
Speaker 1: So a lot of these people are probably watching him
Speaker 1: for the first time, and it, you know, during this
Speaker 1: tournament experience. It continues to be wild to me that
Speaker 1: in this day of college basketball, with the COVID year
Speaker 1: allowing extra eligibility and the transfer portal allowing players to
Speaker 1: play sometimes into their mid to late twenties. I think
Speaker 1: Trevinnell from BYU is about to turn twenty seven. He's
Speaker 1: older than Luca Cooper Flagg, who should be a senior
Speaker 1: in high school reclassified just turn eighteen in December, seems
Speaker 1: to dominate in every single way every time he plays.
Speaker 1: He's not perfect, nobody is, But what has been your
Speaker 1: takeaway with the performance of Cooper Flag during this tournament
Speaker 1: run for Duke.
Speaker 2: I think it will help clarify things if you think
Speaker 2: of Cooper Flag as the white KG. He is so
Speaker 2: good at everything like KG was. KG at his peak,
Speaker 2: was the MVP of the NBA. He could pass, he
Speaker 2: could run, he could dribble, he could shoot. He had
Speaker 2: this fluidity to this game that it seemed like he
Speaker 2: was born to play basketball. That God himself looked at
Speaker 2: this dude and was like, you know what, You're going
Speaker 2: to play the sport of basketball because your body, your energy,
Speaker 2: your competitiveness, all of it manifests itself in this sport
Speaker 2: where you take a bouncy ball and throw it through
Speaker 2: an orange ring ten feet off the ground. And it's
Speaker 2: hard because he's white that we have a tough time
Speaker 2: comparing him to guys other than Andrea Kira Lenko or
Speaker 2: you know, that's an often comparison for a Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2: And it's tough because our minds play, our mind plays
Speaker 2: tricks on us that our brain wants to compare him
Speaker 2: to someone who looks like him. And I'll remind you
Speaker 2: that KG, the kid or the ticket he came into
Speaker 2: the league as a as a teenager, as basically an
Speaker 2: eighteen year old who averaged in his rookie season ten
Speaker 2: points and six rebounds. And I will remind you that
Speaker 2: that guy was considered the most competitive, was considered the
Speaker 2: most menacing, was considered the most talented, also the most
Speaker 2: unsupportive superstar of his class. You look at how long
Speaker 2: it took for him to win a championship. I had
Speaker 2: to go to Boston to do it. And then once
Speaker 2: he went to Boston, people were like, oh, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: one of the best ever to do it. And I
Speaker 2: think Cooper Flag is built from the same mold competitive
Speaker 2: as all had skilled in every facet of the game.
Speaker 2: And if you remember, I think you've seen it before
Speaker 2: Spence the clip of Team USA where KG goes length
Speaker 2: of the court in a one on one battle with
Speaker 2: all of his Team USA players, his teammates, and he's
Speaker 2: not beaten. He no one beats him in a full
Speaker 2: length one on one game where it's kind of survivor
Speaker 2: where uh, if you don't beat him, you step aside,
Speaker 2: and KG continues on with the next contestant, beat him,
Speaker 2: step aside, and KG keeps going. And I think Cooper
Speaker 2: Flag is similarly skilled in that there is no weakness
Speaker 2: in his game that I can see, and he has
Speaker 2: that competitive edge that KG has and Cooper Flag. At
Speaker 2: this point he's just turned eighteen. I think he's six nine,
Speaker 2: six ten. I think you can grow another inch and
Speaker 2: I think the comparison is KG and Danny Ainge famously
Speaker 2: got KG to win a championship with Ray Allen and
Speaker 2: Paul Pierce and probably has the same vision with this guy,
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1: You know what, you know what else stands out to
Speaker 1: me Tom based off of his age again eighteen in December,
Speaker 1: he's a young eighteen. He doesn't seem to get rattled
Speaker 1: like at all, because there have been several moments. Look,
Speaker 1: when you're when you're an opponent, and when you're playing
Speaker 1: a team like Duke, and when you're playing against a
Speaker 1: player like Cooper Flag, you know who you're playing against,
Speaker 1: and you know how many eyes are on you when
Speaker 1: you're playing in that game. And the Grant Nelson kid
Speaker 1: from Alabama, you know, there have been several instances where
Speaker 1: opposing players or opposing fans have tried to get on
Speaker 1: him and try to rattle him. And for an eighteen
Speaker 1: year old kid, he's just done. You know, he just
Speaker 1: goes about his business and doesn't seem to respond to
Speaker 1: any of the uh, you know, any of the Bay
Speaker 1: team that seems to be done in his direction.
Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive, it is.
Speaker 2: And this is the kind of thing that I saw
Speaker 2: with my own two eyes, two eyes, two eyes, Looney Tunes,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm talking about. What I saw
Speaker 2: my own two eyes in person at Cameron Indoor was
Speaker 2: in the second half after dealing with foul trouble. He
Speaker 2: was unleashed, but he had to sit for much of
Speaker 2: the first half because he picked up three early fouls,
Speaker 2: and John Shire put him on ice to make sure
Speaker 2: that he had him in the second half, and then
Speaker 2: he just said go get him. And Cooper Flagg was
Speaker 2: unstoppable the rest of the game. When his team needed him,
Speaker 2: he rows above and he dominated. And I think at
Speaker 2: a certain point in this season the team just kind
Speaker 2: of let him loose and was like, go be you
Speaker 2: and ball dominant, ball in his hand, high pick and rolls,
Speaker 2: playing like a guard, but on the defense into venge,
Speaker 2: blocking every shot, deterring every shot. And I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of the apex of Cooper flag is that there
Speaker 2: is not a part of the game that he cannot dominate.
Speaker 2: And I think in an NBA context and the right
Speaker 2: coaching staff and the right teammates, he can be an
Speaker 2: MVP because, like you said, he's unflappable and he has
Speaker 2: between his two ears. I think he's got a wonderful
Speaker 2: thing about him and edds to him that again, you
Speaker 2: look at KG, you look at Lebron, you look at
Speaker 2: Chris Paul, these guys who have lasted very long in
Speaker 2: their NBA careers. It's a lot to do with how
Speaker 2: they think about the game and that competitive edge. Stephen
Speaker 2: Curry as well, It's just I think he has it,
Speaker 2: and I think there's a really good reason why the
Speaker 2: Utah Jazz have registered their first sixty loss season of
Speaker 2: their franchise history.
Speaker 1: So what do you think, Tom it is going to
Speaker 1: look like, whether it's Utah or Washington or Charlotte or
Speaker 1: wherever with Cooper right away? Because your reference Garnett's rookie
Speaker 1: year ten point six boards, we just don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of rookies save the Unicorn, save the Lebrons or whatever.
Speaker 1: But most rookies come in and even if when they
Speaker 1: are fully baked four or five years later, they're MVP candidates.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look great right away because they're young, they're
Speaker 1: learning how to be a pro. There is a toll
Speaker 1: on the body, and we're seeing that with some of
Speaker 1: the Jazz rookies hitting the proverbial rookie wall. Although I
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of players that have won
Speaker 1: two to three can coun this about a month ago.
Speaker 1: But what do you think it's gonna look like with
Speaker 1: Cooper right away? What's a reasonable expectation stats? Generally speaking,
Speaker 1: what do you think he can post his first year
Speaker 1: of pro basketball.
Speaker 2: I think somewhere in between Wemby and kg's rookie season,
Speaker 2: something like sixteen points a game. Wemby last year as
Speaker 2: a twenty year old, he averaged twenty one points, ten rebounds,
Speaker 2: three point nine assists, and three point six blocks. That's outrageous.
Speaker 2: But he's twenty one now. He was twenty at the
Speaker 2: end of last season. Cooper Flagg is going to be
Speaker 2: a year younger than that, and you keep referencing it,
Speaker 2: and I don't think people will quite understand he should
Speaker 2: be in Debonta's class. That's how young he is. It
Speaker 2: is very rare to have a guy who is the
Speaker 2: youngest guy in his class also be the best player
Speaker 2: of his class, and that's what we have with Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2: I suspect, you know, some of the great rookie seasons
Speaker 2: of all time aren't necessarily the great harbingers of you know,
Speaker 2: future success. Blake Griffin comes to mind, where he had
Speaker 2: a year off because of it. I think it was
Speaker 2: a foot injury, and then he came in and was
Speaker 2: dominant right away and just wowing people with his athleticism
Speaker 2: and dunking everybody over, everybody in Lob City. But I
Speaker 2: would also caution that at his peak, I think Blake
Speaker 2: Griffin would have had even higher peaks if he hadn't
Speaker 2: had that injury in his first year. And just because
Speaker 2: you averaged twenty two and twelve as a rookie, remember that, dude,
Speaker 2: Blake Griffin was twenty one years old as a rookie.
Speaker 2: So I think it's all relative and keep age. If
Speaker 2: you've been hammering this with your audience, I think it's smart.
Speaker 2: Guys like Cooper Flag have dominated college basketball at Duke before,
Speaker 2: but not at this age. This is something else. This
Speaker 2: is a unicorn of unicorns, and I think that Victor
Speaker 2: Webbin Yama is a good proxy for what we might
Speaker 2: see as a rookie. But remember Wemby was a year
Speaker 2: older than what we're going to see Cooper flag next year.
Speaker 3: So one more question here, then we'll move on.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good explanation of what you think
Speaker 1: he can be right away as he grows, you know,
Speaker 1: predicated of course on being in the right system with
Speaker 1: the right coach.
Speaker 3: Instead of eating what are you eating?
Speaker 1: I'm washing down my own crustable Tom since you brought
Speaker 1: it up, I have the weirdest, dumbest like don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a tick. I don't know if it's a
Speaker 1: habit that I've been doing this twenty years and I
Speaker 1: still do not eat with enough time during the break
Speaker 1: to come back without having to wash it down while
Speaker 1: I'm talking it.
Speaker 3: And look, I know.
Speaker 1: That I'm doing it, but I just still do it.
Speaker 1: Like Porter's good to let me know, Hey we're back
Speaker 1: in thirty or whatever. It doesn't stop me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, that's enough time to get a peanut butter
Speaker 1: and jam sandwich down my throat, and.
Speaker 3: It never is.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had goober grape?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, so good? Hm?
Speaker 2: So I do this Top Chef podcast, and this is
Speaker 2: a detour, but I do this Top Chef podcast where
Speaker 2: I interview and recap Top Chef episodes, which means I
Speaker 2: get to interview some of the best chefs in the world.
Speaker 2: And in this little serendipitous side project that I have,
Speaker 2: I talked to Sarah Bradley, who's one of the best
Speaker 2: chefs in the world, James Beard nominee. She's out of Kentucky.
Speaker 2: She's incredible. And I had this confession that I was like,
Speaker 2: I love goober grape and she goes me too, I
Speaker 2: have it all the time, nice and it made me
Speaker 2: feel like, you know what, it's okay, Spence, if you
Speaker 2: need to do a lunchable or incrust the bowl or
Speaker 2: a goober grape, that's okay. Some of the best chefs
Speaker 2: in the world with the most pristine palettes also agree
Speaker 2: it's delicious. And I do think you're onto a question
Speaker 2: and I interrupted you so rudely. So if you'd like
Speaker 2: to continue, we can, or if we want to sidebar
Speaker 2: this into a food podcast, we can as well.
Speaker 1: I'm down to do that, just so you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: for a little context here, I was in Vegas yesterday
Speaker 1: for the Utah men's basketball game, and when they lost,
Speaker 1: I booked my flight for this morning and the only
Speaker 1: flight got me back thirty minutes before the show, so
Speaker 1: I had to rush home, grab whatever I had to
Speaker 1: snack on, rush back down.
Speaker 3: To the studio, and here we are. So they're a.
Speaker 1: Little tread off the tires, running on fumes a little bit,
Speaker 1: but you do what you gotta do. So I will
Speaker 1: reset the question and then I'll just let you run
Speaker 1: with it, and I'll make it shorter instead of another
Speaker 1: weird you know. Tendency I have is to be long
Speaker 1: with questions and too long with goodbyes. But let's move on.
Speaker 1: What do you think Cooper Flag looks like? Fully developed
Speaker 1: in the NBA?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe I should have held this, but
Speaker 2: I think KG two way Superstar, super impressive, Leadership Skills Champion, MVP,
Speaker 2: that's the ceiling. That's the ceiling. Victor Webbin Yama, because
Speaker 2: of his size and his skill, I think he has
Speaker 2: goat upside and his most recent diagnosis with deep van
Speaker 2: Thrombosa's notwithstanding, I think if he overcomes that, he has
Speaker 2: goat potential. Does Cooper Flag have goat potential. Look, I
Speaker 2: think he can be a massively successful NBA player. Does
Speaker 2: he have goat potential written on him? I don't think
Speaker 2: in the same way that Wemby does. But I also
Speaker 2: think that there's a tier below Wemby and Lebron and
Speaker 2: I would probably put Cooper Flag in their KG where
Speaker 2: it's it's filled with guys like Shaq and Tim Duncan,
Speaker 2: where it's they're not in the goat conversation, but they're
Speaker 2: considered one of the very best at their position. I
Speaker 2: think Cooper Flag somewhere in the Tim Duncan KG range
Speaker 2: is his ceiling.
Speaker 1: So if the Jazz draft him, okay, Because we talked
Speaker 1: last week about this, this two tiered kind of debate
Speaker 1: that's going on out here about what the Jazz would
Speaker 1: do if they grab Cooper Flag. And after a couple
Speaker 1: of shows last week, you know, they're guys over there
Speaker 1: that listening to the show. They're NBA guys, and they like,
Speaker 1: you know, guests like you and Tim and may committiment
Speaker 1: all the guests that we have. So I've been told like,
Speaker 1: if they are able to grab Cooper Flag, this does
Speaker 1: not indicate they're gonna hemorrhage the rest of the roster
Speaker 1: and start with just him, like their timeline would start
Speaker 1: just now. I think they like Lowry a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: the Lowry Marketing of the past couple of years has
Speaker 1: been forced to play in the sandbox with children, and
Speaker 1: he was an All Stars first year here, but he
Speaker 1: had Mike Conley next to him and some other veteran pieces.
Speaker 1: He hasn't looked the same because he doesn't have teammates
Speaker 1: that know how to play pro basketball yet. And I
Speaker 1: think they love Walker, so that that would be your
Speaker 1: front court. Walker Kessel, Lowry Market and Cooper Flag. I
Speaker 1: have a ton of questions about almost everybody else on
Speaker 1: the roster, But what do you think the Jazz would
Speaker 1: look like next year if they basically bring back the
Speaker 1: bulk of their roster and they add Cooper Flag to it,
Speaker 1: what does that look like?
Speaker 2: I think that's a playoff team if you have a
Speaker 2: motivated Larry Markinen and a coach that understands the mission
Speaker 2: and will hardy and understands this is less about a
Speaker 2: development year and about a winning year. I do the
Speaker 2: Blazers games as the analytics analytics insider, and one of
Speaker 2: the things that I've been tracking is like when the
Speaker 2: team realized it was not just in a developmental year,
Speaker 2: they were in a results year. Halfway through the season,
Speaker 2: they have the top five defense and an average offense,
Speaker 2: and that resulted in a ton of winning. And sometimes
Speaker 2: it happens that quickly, is that you think that it's
Speaker 2: a developmental year, retooling, tanking year, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it. There's a moment in time where they realize,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, why are we trying to develop skills
Speaker 2: without like trying to win these games. And I think
Speaker 2: that would be the case next year. Is marketing is
Speaker 2: good enough. I think he's tall, Klay Thompson. Offensively, he
Speaker 2: might not be the point of attack defender that Clay
Speaker 2: was at his peak, but you put that skill set
Speaker 2: next to Cooper Flag and then you have a rim
Speaker 2: protector like Walker Kessler, They're gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 2: And I think with the playing tournament the way it is,
Speaker 2: where twenty teams have an ability to get into playoffs
Speaker 2: at a thirty, I think they would be very much
Speaker 2: in that conversation. Now, I think that would be premature
Speaker 2: to suggest that that's when you build up into a
Speaker 2: title contender, is start adding disgruntle veterans superstar players from
Speaker 2: other teams and say, let's try to win right now
Speaker 2: with an aging veteran. I don't think that they should
Speaker 2: go trade for Kevin Durant this summer if they land
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag, but if it was John Morant, or if
Speaker 2: it's someone else that was younger and might be able
Speaker 2: to be had. Deer and Fox comes to mind. With
Speaker 2: the San Antonio Spurs, they did something like that in
Speaker 2: year two. Significantly into year two they said, let's go
Speaker 2: get a Deer and Fox and accelerate this timetable a
Speaker 2: little bit. I could see how after year one the
Speaker 2: Utah Jazz would reevaluate and say, all right, now, let's
Speaker 2: go get another guy. Let's get a shooter who can
Speaker 2: distribute the rock and not have Cooper Flag having create
Speaker 2: everything that might happen after year one. But I think
Speaker 2: in year one can realistically with Cooper Flag on the
Speaker 2: team and with a re engineered Schwalker Kessler and Larry Markinen,
Speaker 2: I think you could win a lot of games with
Speaker 2: those three.
Speaker 1: So, based off of your history, the Jazz in this well,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to call it a tear down, but I
Speaker 1: will not. During this rebuild process, the draft capital that
Speaker 1: they have received from the Gobart and the Mitchell deal,
Speaker 1: bit pieces of draft capital from other deals Conley Bogdanoviconio.
Speaker 1: All that stuff that combined with our own so far
Speaker 1: has bred two top ten picks. One is Taylor Hendrix.
Speaker 1: And I actually still think Taylor has a chance. We
Speaker 1: just don't know because he got hurt so early, and
Speaker 1: all indicators are he's getting close to, you know, getting back,
Speaker 1: and he should be ready to start next year. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Taylor aside for a moment and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hone in on Cody Williams. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: try to do this without being unfair, because he's twenty
Speaker 1: years old playing for a team during his rookie season
Speaker 1: without a lot of grown ups in the locker room,
Speaker 1: you know, to really help him understand what he needs
Speaker 1: to do. But the fact of the matter is there
Speaker 1: just has not been much of anything Tom to look
Speaker 1: at to make you think the Jazz may have made
Speaker 1: the right decision. I'm not saying they did or they
Speaker 1: did not, because it would be a fool's air and
Speaker 1: to anoint or dismiss a twenty year old, but they're
Speaker 1: just you know, even when he was down with the stars,
Speaker 1: there were moments here or there, but nothing really consistent.
Speaker 1: And as Will has leaned into playing young players and
Speaker 1: giving Cody minutes and starts, you see a lot of
Speaker 1: bad decisions. You don't see a lot of good shooting.
Speaker 1: You don't see a lot of finishing with physicality. He
Speaker 1: gets pushed around on defense because he's thin. I just
Speaker 1: think you'll want to see a little bit more throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the season from a top ten pick
Speaker 1: to indicate that maybe you made the right decision. So
Speaker 1: what's fair to say about a rookie year from a
Speaker 1: young man who just simply has not shown much of
Speaker 1: anything as far as promised that you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: Jazz made the right call there.
Speaker 2: It's tough because you know, the school thought of like
Speaker 2: let a guy I play through his mistakes and he
Speaker 2: will learn and he will get better. I think this
Speaker 2: is more in the Tom Thibodeau school of thinking is
Speaker 2: you've got to learn by playing, and that can hurt also.
Speaker 2: I mean, you imagine a player that fails so much
Speaker 2: that they become almost psyched out that they are seeing
Speaker 2: so much failure that they can't see the light. And
Speaker 2: what we're seeing with Cody Williams is he's played fifty games.
Speaker 2: It's happenging about twenty minutes per game. And we've never
Speaker 2: seen a player in NBA history with this low productivity
Speaker 2: with this many minutes in their rookie season. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to say that again, Cody Williams with a three
Speaker 2: point seven player efficiency rating might not be the best
Speaker 2: metric to go by, but I'll just give you this
Speaker 2: as an example of his productivity levels. He's shooting thirty
Speaker 2: two percent from the floor. His true shooting percentage is
Speaker 2: forty one. The numbers are gory, but when you compare
Speaker 2: it to all rookies who have played one thousand minutes
Speaker 2: in their rookie season, he ranks dead last in the
Speaker 2: NBA history. And so that's two. It's telling me two things.
Speaker 2: One he's not very productive, but two there's you know,
Speaker 2: there's reasons why he's getting so much playing time. Is
Speaker 2: because they have an incentive structure. They're responding to an
Speaker 2: inside of structure that rewards teams for being bad or
Speaker 2: not winning games. And so in another climate or another team,
Speaker 2: he might not get any run and he might be
Speaker 2: in the G League the whole time. But under this
Speaker 2: Utah Jazz team, you're looking at Nicolos Ketish Peely, the
Speaker 2: Denver high draft pick who had a four point nine
Speaker 2: peer his his rookie season. Dante Exum a better success story,
Speaker 2: but also one that Utah had five point seven, Austin
Speaker 2: Rivers five point nine. The success story you want to
Speaker 2: point to is Demonisa Bonus was at six point nine
Speaker 2: and okay see and later became a perennial All Star
Speaker 2: candidate who was thirteenth on this list. That Cody Williams
Speaker 2: is first, I don't know if it's one you want
Speaker 2: to be first. In Rashad Vaughan from Milwaukee Buck, you
Speaker 2: might not know him well. He was nineteen and had
Speaker 2: a four point two per. This is all to say
Speaker 2: a lot of these players in this conversation are not hits.
Speaker 2: There are players that have hit that. Danny Avdya is
Speaker 2: another one that had a really tough rookie season and
Speaker 2: has now developed into a guy who's a twenty to
Speaker 2: ten guy over his last fifteen games. It can't happen,
Speaker 2: but just like in anything else, you'd rather be on
Speaker 2: the other end of that spectrum than this one, and
Speaker 2: I think it's tough to grade him based on the
Speaker 2: goals of this season, but there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: What you're sniffing, it smells that and that is the
Speaker 2: rookie season for Cody Williams. That is statistically among the
Speaker 2: worst that we've seen.
Speaker 1: With this kind of minutes, Tom, where can people go
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