Speaker 1: I'm not a big foot hunter. I'm a bass fisherman.
Speaker 1: But the boy, hey, what I've sure seen luck that
Speaker 1: I did expect to see. I mean, you can't take
Speaker 1: images out of your head that you've seen. It's like
Speaker 1: I told my family, I'll take them to my grave.
Speaker 1: They're they're not gonna go away. That one I seen
Speaker 1: as a kid, one hundred percent. Yeah, it was my
Speaker 1: first experience of like, wow, I wasn't told awe. I
Speaker 1: forgot over being scared for all the stuff that's happened
Speaker 1: this year though over there, there's there's something unique going on.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna stop me from fishing next year? It's
Speaker 1: a good Lord will and I'm still here. I'll be
Speaker 1: fishing and I'll just keep my woods about me, and
Speaker 1: I may try to take a picture or two. And
Speaker 1: you think of that, it's cool. I mean to have
Speaker 1: these inter reactions within that. It's cool for a creature
Speaker 1: that people say don't exist. Yeah, they're there. Just look around,
Speaker 1: Just look around. I'm not a big foot hunter. I'm
Speaker 1: a bass fisherman. But the boy, tell you what, I've
Speaker 1: sure seen a lot that I didn't expect to see.
Speaker 2: How did you find out about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Well, when I was twelve years old, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know the what bigfoot was, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: And you know my grandma. I grew up on a
Speaker 1: farm in eastern Oklahoma where my grandpa Grandma raised water
Speaker 1: my own with candloaks and had every kind of crater
Speaker 1: that there was or every kind of farm animal that
Speaker 1: it was, and you know I helped do all of that.
Speaker 1: When as a kid and grandhood have been over disc
Speaker 1: and the fields really April to get the rose ready
Speaker 1: to plant. I was going to go over and I
Speaker 1: was going to use what we call hard to level
Speaker 1: the rose. That afternoon he come in for lunch and
Speaker 1: he told me he said something big. And Harry walked
Speaker 1: across the field in front of me and he goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but there's footprints over
Speaker 1: and he said, when we go back, I want you
Speaker 1: to look at him. And grand Paul was a mountain man.
Speaker 1: I think I told you this. He was six eleven,
Speaker 1: weighed three eighty five. I had an eighteen triple isshue.
Speaker 1: He was huge and wasn't scared of anything. And so
Speaker 1: after lunch he took off on his tractor and I
Speaker 1: took off on mine away we went and we got
Speaker 1: over to the field and he showed me the prince
Speaker 1: and he couldn't match the strides across the field. And
Speaker 1: the field was three quarters of a mile wide, and
Speaker 1: then my long rows, and he couldn't match the strides.
Speaker 1: And when he put his foot down inside of these prints,
Speaker 1: you can't even see it, and told or anything like
Speaker 1: this his fresh disc ground, but you could see, you know,
Speaker 1: through there, and they were huge compared to his foot.
Speaker 1: And they walked all the way across this field. And
Speaker 1: I talked to him about it, and you know, I
Speaker 1: told him, I said, is this a was it a bar?
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, here goes, it is the biggest
Speaker 1: thing bear I've ever seen. But he said it walked
Speaker 1: on two legs, he said, and you know you could
Speaker 1: tell by the tracks it was. And heck, I was twelve,
Speaker 1: and you know I was trying to match the stride,
Speaker 1: and heck I couldn't even jump to get close. So
Speaker 1: and so that's my first experience with whatever this thing was.
Speaker 1: You know, it knew or something.
Speaker 2: And you guys, never heard anybody else talking about seeing
Speaker 2: anything like that around that area.
Speaker 1: No, No, So it wasn't a couple of days later
Speaker 1: and we were still working in the field, was getting
Speaker 1: ready to plant. We were at lunchtime. My grandma and
Speaker 1: my aunt my mom took off to go into town
Speaker 1: to get more food, and so my uncle laid down
Speaker 1: after lunch. My uncle laid down on the couch, gotten
Speaker 1: his recliner, and I laid that on the floor. And
Speaker 1: it was gonna take up about hour and out before
Speaker 1: we went back to the field. And uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: love sweet tea. So I jumped up to walk out
Speaker 1: on the front porch and take a you know, go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. And this thing, you know, I'm twelve
Speaker 1: year old kid watching as a thing walks up. My
Speaker 1: grandpa had a bluff what I call a rock bluff
Speaker 1: that was north of his property and it was probably
Speaker 1: a quarter mile long, and it went up into the woods.
Speaker 1: And this thing walked up on this bluff and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, doing my business. I look up
Speaker 1: and say this thing coming and I was like, what
Speaker 1: the heck is this? And I'm shaking in my shoes,
Speaker 1: you know, and I had to be doing what I done.
Speaker 1: I'd have done it anyway. And it walked up on
Speaker 1: the bluff and it looked at me, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: this thing is twice beside my grandfather. So it looks
Speaker 1: over at me and it just just it was like
Speaker 1: this hugh grunt he goes and it just turns and
Speaker 1: my ansolantly just walks up the bluff and disapairs into
Speaker 1: the woods. Well, the first thing I did, I was
Speaker 1: shaking like a leaf and I stuck my head the
Speaker 1: door to make sure my grandpa and my uncle wasn't
Speaker 1: playing a trick on me, you know, and there sound
Speaker 1: asleep on the couch. And so that was my first
Speaker 1: experience with I'm sure it was a big foot, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know what one was. I never heard of one.
Speaker 1: I'd never seen the legends or the movies or any
Speaker 1: of that stuff. But looking back what I have seen
Speaker 1: to this day, that's what it did, no doubt my mind.
Speaker 2: What color was the one that you saw? It was
Speaker 2: a blackish brown, pretty dark in color, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And long hair. It didn't I ever get a smell
Speaker 1: of it, but it was just to me it looked
Speaker 1: a cross between a giant human and a giant monkey.
Speaker 1: Ate be my best description.
Speaker 2: Was it bigger than your grandfather?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, probably two foot wider at the shoulders,
Speaker 1: maybe three and probably four foot taller than my grandma.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean scared me death. It really I was
Speaker 1: shaking in my shoes. And you know, I didn't tell
Speaker 1: anybody about it. I would just like you know, it's
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in Oklahoma. Like I've shared
Speaker 1: with before, I know every creator and creature and every
Speaker 1: wildlife that's in this state. You know, the Wildlife Department
Speaker 1: tell you black panthers don't exist. I've seen them everywhere,
Speaker 1: mountain lions, bobcats, links, you know, deer turkey, a hundred
Speaker 1: of dollar seeing it all. Yeah, there's no way this
Speaker 1: was any of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And then fast forward to what I was sharing with
Speaker 1: you that happened this year. I man, I don't go
Speaker 1: looking for bigfoot. I'm a bass fisherman. I loved the
Speaker 1: bass fish. I lost a boy to cancer fourteen years ago.
Speaker 1: He was nineteen and me and him, and when he died,
Speaker 1: I gave a punting. But all I want to do
Speaker 1: now is fish because I've been trigging old bass into
Speaker 1: hitting an artificial learning and let it go and got
Speaker 1: a lake that I love to go to and over
Speaker 1: the years, I've had some odd stuff happen, but this
Speaker 1: year was just the Hey, I'm still blowed by what
Speaker 1: all has happened that I saw this year.
Speaker 2: When did it all kind of start this year?
Speaker 1: April?
Speaker 2: April?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a I went over to UH that's
Speaker 1: usually about when the fish kind of started getting ready
Speaker 1: to spawn, and I like, I like to go over
Speaker 1: and for a worm on the beds and try to
Speaker 1: catch one and then let him go. But but I
Speaker 1: was by myself the first day that I was over there,
Speaker 1: and uh in April, and I come around this corner
Speaker 1: where I liked I always start on this bank of fish,
Speaker 1: and I was fishing down through there, and beautiful day,
Speaker 1: and I started hearing this low guttural growl sound that
Speaker 1: sounded a cross between a lion and a crocodile. If
Speaker 1: you ever watched this stuff, like where the crocodile and
Speaker 1: alligators growl and they make the water. Yeah, you combine
Speaker 1: those two, but make it to where it's so loud
Speaker 1: that it bounces off your chest and it hurts. And
Speaker 1: I'm fishing probably ten yards at the most off the bank,
Speaker 1: and where I'm fishing is just trees everywhere. I mean
Speaker 1: just I never seen anything, but it was growling at
Speaker 1: me as I was fishing down the bank with my
Speaker 1: troller motor. And then I finally got you know, after
Speaker 1: three or four minutes of this of it just persisting
Speaker 1: that there's like something wants to me out of here.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, I've never heard it sound before,
Speaker 1: and so I gave it what it was, and I
Speaker 1: put troller motor on high, and I thought, well, I
Speaker 1: just going down the bank, get away from them. Well
Speaker 1: I thought I was getting away from but stupid thing
Speaker 1: kept following me down the bank and got a half
Speaker 1: a mile from where I was at, and the circle
Speaker 1: will still following me. But where it was at it
Speaker 1: went from where I started fishing. You know, there was
Speaker 1: it's like a flat in there with a bunch of
Speaker 1: tickets and all that kind of stuff. So this turned
Speaker 1: into a sheer bluff and whatever this was, it was
Speaker 1: falling along on this bluff up probably thirty yards above me,
Speaker 1: hiding in the trees. I couldn't see it. All I
Speaker 1: could do was here and see the trees all shaken.
Speaker 1: And then the next thing, I know, this rock that's
Speaker 1: probably the size of basketball comes flying over the top
Speaker 1: of my head and it's on about five yards from
Speaker 1: my boat, and I'm like, good grief. And so that's
Speaker 1: when I fired up the motor and I said, no,
Speaker 1: you can have it. I don't know what you are,
Speaker 1: but you can have it. And so I got away
Speaker 1: from there.
Speaker 2: One on those I like, we're not going to give
Speaker 2: away the name of the lake, but I will say
Speaker 2: that I grew up on this lake, and you know,
Speaker 2: I've fished it countless numbers of times. But yeah, all
Speaker 2: the big rock bluffs you're talking about, in my entire life,
Speaker 2: I've never seen a rock come off those rock bluffs.
Speaker 2: I haven't either, So this isn't something that just, you know, happens.
Speaker 2: There's not just a bunch of rocks falling off these
Speaker 2: bluffs or anything. There's not one single time I've ever
Speaker 2: seen a rock come off. So something had to have
Speaker 2: thrown that rock. There ain't no way that that just
Speaker 2: fell naturally.
Speaker 1: Well and where it was that the force that it
Speaker 1: would have taken to got it off of there. It's
Speaker 1: not going to come rolling and go over my head
Speaker 1: and hit up there and make the splash that it made.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just yeah, these rock bluffs are like
Speaker 2: giant walls. They're completely you know, steep sheer drop offs there.
Speaker 2: There's no hill that it could have got momentum and
Speaker 2: balanced or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I went over and start fishing on
Speaker 1: the other side of like it, Like, yep, you can
Speaker 1: have it. Whatever you are, you can have it.
Speaker 2: Well, you're mind going to bigfoot at that point.
Speaker 1: I never saw it. I could hear it with the growl, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what else could it be? I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not anything that I know of that can throw
Speaker 1: a rock that big that far with that much force.
Speaker 1: The ain't no human going to do it. There ain't
Speaker 1: no bear going to do it. I mean there's black
Speaker 1: bear over there, but they're no black bear going to
Speaker 1: pick up a rock that size and throw it.
Speaker 2: Well, what was the next experience you had this year?
Speaker 1: It was about a week after that and men friend
Speaker 1: of mine was fishing and we were on a different
Speaker 1: part of the lake and we were coming down this
Speaker 1: bank that has these two points on it that I
Speaker 1: love to fish that time of year, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: ahead of me. He's fishing back towards the point, and
Speaker 1: I look ahead of me and I watch this creature,
Speaker 1: giant creature, black as black as night, walk off the
Speaker 1: side of the hill and didn't even know we were there.
Speaker 1: And he walked off the side of the hill, knelt
Speaker 1: down like a like me, and you would knelt kind
Speaker 1: of to get drink water. And you know, the water
Speaker 1: on this lake is pretty clear, and it knelt down
Speaker 1: and was getting to drink and it was using its
Speaker 1: hand to cup it. Well, it saw me or heard
Speaker 1: the troller motor or something, and it stood up and
Speaker 1: looked over at me, and you know, I knew we
Speaker 1: were made. And I hollered at my friend and I
Speaker 1: said look. And by the time that happened, this thing
Speaker 1: had taken two steps and was back up the side
Speaker 1: of the hill. And it was almost like it was
Speaker 1: gliding this smooth It was just like it was not
Speaker 1: even walking, but it was. And in two steps it
Speaker 1: was up and out of the sight.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, I went down to see how big this thing
Speaker 1: was compared to a tree, and I couldn't get on
Speaker 1: the bank where was that But it had to bend
Speaker 1: twelve to thirteen foot tall. Wow, because the I could
Speaker 1: reach up and grab this one branch and that would
Speaker 1: have come about to its what I would call it's underchest,
Speaker 1: right under beneath its breasts. And this was a male.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't a female. This was a male
Speaker 1: and it was huge, but it wouldn't It wasn't as
Speaker 1: thick as I would have thought it would have been.
Speaker 1: But it was just tall and just the when you
Speaker 1: watched it walk, it's its legs. You could see the
Speaker 1: muscles flexing in its thighs and its calves. But it
Speaker 1: was only for just like I said, two steps. But
Speaker 1: it was the most fluid thing ever. And that's really
Speaker 1: the best best look at that I ever got. The
Speaker 1: one I saw as a kid, it was the same thing.
Speaker 1: I know, be on shadow of doubt, but watch this
Speaker 1: thing move and walk was amazing and how fast it was.
Speaker 2: What would you say the size comparison between the two were?
Speaker 2: Were they around the same size?
Speaker 1: No, this one was bigger than the one that I
Speaker 1: saw as a kid. Okay, it was probably a couple
Speaker 1: of taller, I would guess, but it wasn't as musclely and.
Speaker 2: Whenever it was walking, I don't I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is something you need even notice or not. But
Speaker 2: was it looking at the ground when it walked or
Speaker 2: was it looking at you or what was it doing?
Speaker 1: No, it turned around and was looking and going up
Speaker 1: the side of the bank where come down. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't a sheer bluff where this was at. It's pretty steep,
Speaker 1: but he was just he turned around and was headed
Speaker 1: back into the woods as fast as he could get
Speaker 1: there to get away from me. And I'm less than
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I'm less than fifty sixty yards
Speaker 1: from this thing. So I got a great look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is early morning or daily time. What
Speaker 2: about time of day?
Speaker 1: Oh, it was probably two o'clock in the afternoon in April,
Speaker 1: about a week or so, two weeks after that other experience.
Speaker 2: What did your buddy say?
Speaker 1: He didn't ever see it, but he knew that I
Speaker 1: wasn't pulling his leg. I'll just put it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we've had conversations and you know, I'll get it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you more about that later on. But he's
Speaker 1: a believer now, one hundred percent of believer after what
Speaker 1: happened in November.
Speaker 2: But and I mean obviously with that size, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just clarifying these points for the listeners. That size
Speaker 2: walking up right like that and everything scooping water up
Speaker 2: with its hand. Clearly not a black bear.
Speaker 1: Clearly not a black bear. I've seen black bear over there,
Speaker 1: you know, the four or five foot tall. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is not a black bear. This is not a black bear.
Speaker 1: And the twos that we saw in November, they're not
Speaker 1: a black bear.
Speaker 2: Was that the next incident that happened, the one in November.
Speaker 1: No, there was some stuff that went on through the
Speaker 1: summer over there. I mean we were over there on
Speaker 1: a on a day where there was no wind blowing whatsoever,
Speaker 1: and this giant tree come crashing down upon hill. We
Speaker 1: watched it fall. I mean you heard the crack and
Speaker 1: the boom and watched it fall and no wind whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yes, I understand trees falling the wood,
Speaker 1: but on a tree that big on a day like
Speaker 1: today was no wind. I mean it made you could
Speaker 1: heard it all over the lake. That's how loud it was.
Speaker 2: And how far away from you was it probably two
Speaker 2: hundred yards, so pretty close. Good chance that if something
Speaker 2: did push that tree over, it was doing it for
Speaker 2: the benefit of letting you know it was there.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct, And you know I've shared with you too.
Speaker 1: You know, there's just so much weird stuff happened over there,
Speaker 1: you know, the creek being damned up. Yeah, where you
Speaker 1: can't take a boat up through there anymore, a kayak
Speaker 1: down through there now. I don't know if it still is.
Speaker 1: This was back late July August that they tried to
Speaker 1: go up in there and fish and they couldn't go
Speaker 1: because something had moved rocks. They said that was half
Speaker 1: as big as boat wagons and walked this creek all
Speaker 1: the way across there to where you can't get up
Speaker 1: through there anymore. And nobody's been kayaking and stuff. And
Speaker 1: I thought it was just really weird that that happened.
Speaker 1: It just he told me, he said they used to
Speaker 1: go up and fish all the time. And he said
Speaker 1: you can't even get past it. He said, you have
Speaker 1: to carry a kayak twenty yards just to be able
Speaker 1: to get around it.
Speaker 2: And this was an area that was pretty popular for
Speaker 2: kayakers and canoers and everything else. And yes, sir, there
Speaker 2: typically at this lake, if something's going on, a word
Speaker 2: of it spreads pretty quickly. And there was no notice
Speaker 2: or anything that they, you know, the GRDA or whoever
Speaker 2: isn't going to come in and set up the rocks
Speaker 2: or anything to block kayakers. And these are like huge
Speaker 2: boulders that we're talking.
Speaker 1: About, right, And number one, the GRDA. We want to
Speaker 1: have the equipment to move it if in there where
Speaker 1: this is at. Yeah, And I mean there's no way
Speaker 1: to even get in there where it's at.
Speaker 2: No, there's no access roads or anything there, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how it would be possible for
Speaker 2: people to do it, and it would definitely be an
Speaker 2: undertaking that somebody would notice it going on or something. Yes,
Speaker 2: do you think they were just trying to keep people
Speaker 2: out of that area for some reason?
Speaker 1: Matt, I really do. I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 1: I think that there is because I know of three
Speaker 1: that I have seen different ones this year, and I
Speaker 1: think maybe a clan or family or something has come
Speaker 1: in there that is aggressive or don't want people in there,
Speaker 1: or you know, there's just too much, too much stuff.
Speaker 1: That's just it doesn't make sense, but it makes total
Speaker 1: sense to me. And like I said, I'm a bass fisherman,
Speaker 1: but I also know where the big foot is and
Speaker 1: I've seen them now and one hundred percent in my mind,
Speaker 1: these creatures are there. They're smart, Oh my gosh, or
Speaker 1: they're smart. You know. I was sharing with you that
Speaker 1: one morning we went over there, we're going to go
Speaker 1: do some topwater fishing, and got the spot that I
Speaker 1: really love to go to, and we pulled up there
Speaker 1: as the sun's coming up and the water was filthy,
Speaker 1: filthy mud like something had been in there hurting fish
Speaker 1: or moving fish, because you could see where up onto
Speaker 1: the bank. There was still water everywhere all over the
Speaker 1: bank where they had pushed something. But the water was
Speaker 1: just a suit. Well, there's nothing gonna three or four
Speaker 1: deer running around is not gonna, you know, when the
Speaker 1: water going to muddy it up like that. And when
Speaker 1: I say muddy a soup, the water looked like chocolate
Speaker 1: milk and a big area. But the weird part of
Speaker 1: it was the how the bank was in this area
Speaker 1: that's two to three foot deep in water, How the
Speaker 1: bank was just there was water everywhere in moss and
Speaker 1: grass where something had done.
Speaker 2: Something, something that moved a lot of water up onto
Speaker 2: the bank.
Speaker 1: That is correct, a lot of water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard about anything like that before. There's
Speaker 2: a good opportunity for him to, you know, be chasing
Speaker 2: carp or something.
Speaker 1: I think that's what they were doing, because we had
Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of carp back there, and I
Speaker 1: think they were freshed pushing carp somehow they'd made some
Speaker 1: way to or they know how to push carp up
Speaker 1: onto the bank and they take them where they live.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's what I think, which I'm happy that
Speaker 1: they're doing it because I hate carps. I didn't share
Speaker 1: this with you last time, but there's been a couple
Speaker 1: of times we've been over there, you know, Earth and
Speaker 1: mom Ambition, and we start hearing children laughing.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just a dangers thing. Just sound like
Speaker 1: a bunch of little kids laughing and playing. I couldn't
Speaker 1: see them, didn't see any movement everything. It's just the
Speaker 1: craziest thing you ever seen or heard. I mean, the
Speaker 1: same area, same area, same area. You know.
Speaker 2: The laughter is something that gets reported fairly often mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And it's creepy. It's super creepy.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, just birthdy that heard it.
Speaker 2: One of the things that's standing out in my mind
Speaker 2: about all these stories, all these experiences that you're having,
Speaker 2: is not only it being in a generalized location, but
Speaker 2: you're experiencing this stuff during the daytime. Yes, you're also
Speaker 2: accessing it, you know, through water. It's on a lake
Speaker 2: and there's not very many people around there or anything.
Speaker 2: It's pretty remote, correct.
Speaker 1: I think what's unique about it is I'm not looking
Speaker 1: for them. I'm going to fish, and I keep having
Speaker 1: this stuff happen, and it's like I'm spoke to have
Speaker 1: it happen. I guess that's the only way I know
Speaker 1: to tell it, because it's you know, I didn't I
Speaker 1: haven't wanted to go out and research and spend nights
Speaker 1: in the nights I've seen at this lake over there.
Speaker 1: I don't advise anybody to ever go over there in
Speaker 1: the night time because I've seen rattlesnake that are eight
Speaker 1: foot long over their copper heads that are six foot long,
Speaker 1: and there's no ine in the words you will pay
Speaker 1: me enough talk for them? Would at night?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No. I've got a young friend of mine that was
Speaker 1: my son's, one of his friends, and he showed me
Speaker 1: the picture of the rattlesnake that was here's walking, here's
Speaker 1: deer stand and he like, well, that ball wasn't there yesterday.
Speaker 1: And he turned on his head lamp and killed an
Speaker 1: eight foot rattler that's big around is my forearms, I
Speaker 1: mean huge snake. It's like, yeah, I asked him, I said,
Speaker 1: why are you brave enough to even walk through there?
Speaker 1: To go there? He goes, I like the deer hunt,
Speaker 1: and I said, not that bad for me. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know you asked me about November. Me and my
Speaker 1: friend I fished a lot with. We went over there
Speaker 1: and we had probably the best day of fishing I've
Speaker 1: had in years. I mean we were throwing the right ler,
Speaker 1: catching the snot out of fish. And he tells me,
Speaker 1: He says, you know we're being watched, don't you, And
Speaker 1: I go no, and he goes, look back there by
Speaker 1: that laydown that's fallen over. And so this is probably
Speaker 1: two hundred yards from where we're fishing. And on both
Speaker 1: sides of this giant uprooted lay down that the winded
Speaker 1: bloat over, there was one that was a real white brown,
Speaker 1: and there was one that was like a reddish brown
Speaker 1: on each side of it, and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: watching us, and you can see them. They jump up
Speaker 1: on top of it, they go around look at the
Speaker 1: other side. They didn't kind of just stay there. They
Speaker 1: and we watched them for by a while, I don't know,
Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes back there, and I said, are you
Speaker 1: a believer now? And he goes, you got me convinced.
Speaker 1: But he was also telling me that, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of deer hunter over there in that area,
Speaker 1: and you know I had shared with you that I
Speaker 1: watched too. At first I thought they were bear fighting,
Speaker 1: and then I realized they were way too big b bear.
Speaker 1: It probably one hundred yards for them where that location was,
Speaker 1: and these things were fighting to the death. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was the noise that was coming out of back
Speaker 1: there was It wasn't painful sport. They were fighting to
Speaker 1: the death of these two creatures. And when I was
Speaker 1: over fishing like I always do, and I'm fishing along there,
Speaker 1: I start hearing this ruckus, I means, this noise coming
Speaker 1: out of the back there, and it was like, what
Speaker 1: the heck is going on? It sounded like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it sounded like two lions and two tigers fighting each other.
Speaker 1: And so I looked, you know, I looked back there.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of what I call cattails and reads
Speaker 1: back there that are nine foot tall. To that leads
Speaker 1: into the slough and these things were getting it. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you I and I watched them. I guarantee
Speaker 1: you fifteen minutes before they disappeared into the back to
Speaker 1: where I couldn't see them, you could still hear what
Speaker 1: was going on. And you know, I like, okay, I
Speaker 1: know exactly what they were. That friend of mine had
Speaker 1: been over there fishing, because he ends about two and
Speaker 1: he went he went over there and he was getting
Speaker 1: ready to launch, and these counters come in and they
Speaker 1: were talking to him and they said, you're seeing the
Speaker 1: bear over here, and my friend goes, yeah, he goes,
Speaker 1: but of mine said he saw to him fight the
Speaker 1: other day and they go, well, we were watching two
Speaker 1: fights the other day too, and he said, take around
Speaker 1: us out of the woods. And he was like, are
Speaker 1: you sure there were bear? Well, we're gonna call the
Speaker 1: bear and he asked him, he said how big were they?
Speaker 1: And he said the one boy told him he said,
Speaker 1: I grizzly hunt up in the Northwest, and he said
Speaker 1: these are bigger than grizzlies. And he goes, I know
Speaker 1: we don't have those here, but he said, we let
Speaker 1: them have the woods. And that you know, that was
Speaker 1: in a this all was in a two week window
Speaker 1: in November when the season was going.
Speaker 2: On, just this past November, just this.
Speaker 1: Past November, November the sixteenth, I'll get in the day
Speaker 1: was the day that we had them too, that we
Speaker 1: were watching they were on that falling down thing. And
Speaker 1: then probably it wasn't terse three days after that that
Speaker 1: Tim Hunters got run out of back there, and then
Speaker 1: it wasn't two or three days before that, because the
Speaker 1: fishing was incredible at le this fall. I mean, I
Speaker 1: caught more five pound bass than I ever caught my life.
Speaker 1: But you know, all this was going on too, And
Speaker 1: I'll put this way, I wouldn't There's no way in
Speaker 1: the world you'd pay me to get on on the
Speaker 1: banking bill back there. Well that's going on. I stay
Speaker 1: on the water and stay far enough away where I'm
Speaker 1: fire my motor up and get tech out of dodge.
Speaker 2: There's only a couple of reasons, you know, things like
Speaker 2: that would be fighting, and that time of year, I
Speaker 2: wonder if there's you know, I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 2: It sounds like there's a group of them back there
Speaker 2: or something, and maybe another group has imposed for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: and they're trying to figure out their resources and territory.
Speaker 1: I did find a cave over there that I had
Speaker 1: never seen before on one of the when we were
Speaker 1: over there the last time, because some of the brushes
Speaker 1: died down pretty good. And there's a cave over there
Speaker 1: on one of those cliffs. And I promise you it
Speaker 1: would sustain a family of them. That's how big it is. Huh.
Speaker 1: But you would have to be something that big and
Speaker 1: large to be able to get to it, because it's
Speaker 1: on a sheer wall. I mean, no humans gonna get
Speaker 1: to it. Now.
Speaker 2: Have you heard stories from anybody else in that area?
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: I've got a I got a cousin that I was
Speaker 1: talking to about. He lives over in that area, been
Speaker 1: over there for several years, and he told me they've
Speaker 1: been dealing with them for twenty years over there, tearing
Speaker 1: down game cameras and trade stands and just he said,
Speaker 1: the deer population has diminished to minimal to what it
Speaker 1: used to be. And I got to thinking about that too.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'll share them to see. You can
Speaker 1: go over and see all the hogs that you want
Speaker 1: to see. There's pigs everywhere, and you still you'd go
Speaker 1: there and there would be deer. You could see deer.
Speaker 1: You didn't even have to look for them because there'd
Speaker 1: be deer everywhere. You have to look really really hard
Speaker 1: to find a deer over there, huh, I mean really
Speaker 1: really hard to see deer. But you can see all
Speaker 1: hogs you want to see. We've seen herds of hogs
Speaker 1: over I know it's got five hundred in them. Wow.
Speaker 2: I mean that might be a good food source for
Speaker 2: them in the area.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that's what I'm thinking. They got water,
Speaker 1: they got pigs, they got fish, there's every kind of
Speaker 1: berry that you can imagine in eastern Oklahoma. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have every source that they need and it's very
Speaker 1: you know, it's unpopulated. So I mean it's a perfect
Speaker 1: setup for them. I mean a perfect setup if that's
Speaker 1: their habitat and that's what they do.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reservation land in the area as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, And then I won't tell you the source,
Speaker 1: but I had to ask when some of this was
Speaker 1: going on. I stopped at the project office. I just said,
Speaker 1: has anybody ever reported anything large, harry and out of control?
Speaker 1: And that's when one of the ladies told me that
Speaker 1: her husband was ex military. He was volunteer firefighter over there,
Speaker 1: and him and his friend got run out of the
Speaker 1: woods last year over there, and they won't go back
Speaker 1: and hunt. Wow. And he and she told me, she said,
Speaker 1: my husband's not scared of anything, and he will not
Speaker 1: hunt in there anymore.
Speaker 2: And this lady is someone who works for the state.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, have you ever encountered or heard of anything
Speaker 2: else besides bigfoot in this area that you know people
Speaker 2: would consider weird?
Speaker 1: Thirty thirty five years ago, I used to go over
Speaker 1: there and night fish all the time, and there used
Speaker 1: to be nine tournaments over there, and there's some people
Speaker 1: that are brave enough to do it. I won't fish
Speaker 1: it at night. We'd have you know, back back then,
Speaker 1: there'd be little, i don't know, quarter size things come
Speaker 1: flying out of the woods at you and land in
Speaker 1: the boat and you're looking. It was in a walnut
Speaker 1: or acorn. It was rock. But you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: think twice about it. I'm out fishing, and you know,
Speaker 1: but we were sitting on the main lake point halfway
Speaker 1: down the lake about one to talk in the morning.
Speaker 1: This has been thirty thirty five years ago. When I
Speaker 1: quit going over there after this. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was. I can't tell you. I just watched a
Speaker 1: ring of red white and red white and green lights
Speaker 1: and I guess would be as probably ten feet across,
Speaker 1: and it was probably a quarter mile from us. But
Speaker 1: we watched it come out of the lake and take
Speaker 1: off and disappear into the sky so fast, and it
Speaker 1: was like, well, we're out of here. We went boat
Speaker 1: on the trailer, come on.
Speaker 2: And this was in the main part of the lake.
Speaker 1: Main part of the lake. Yeah, probably there's probably thirty
Speaker 1: forty foot of water there. Yeah, and you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't make any noise, but it come out of that
Speaker 1: water so fast and just I say, no noise the
Speaker 1: vibration from it moving the air, and I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: in two to three seconds, it was out of sight.
Speaker 1: And so we were like, yeah, we're out here. We
Speaker 1: put the boat on the trailer, will come on. It
Speaker 1: was like we'll chop that one upp. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I haven't night fished since. I'm just telling you,
Speaker 1: there's not enough money make me go where And I
Speaker 1: barely now after what happened this year. If I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go early morning fishing, it's gonna have to be enough
Speaker 1: light that I can see everything because I've never had
Speaker 1: a big rock throat at me, and I've never had
Speaker 1: anything growl at me, never see anything fight like I
Speaker 1: saw fight this year, and they there and if they
Speaker 1: fight like that there would you know if they if
Speaker 1: they want to get you, then get you. I'll just
Speaker 1: put it that way. And I always carry again with me.
Speaker 1: But you know it ain't gonna do any good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's been a you know, like I shared with you,
Speaker 1: has been an interesting year where I was doing a
Speaker 1: lot of fishing and seeing a lot of things is
Speaker 1: like wow, and uh, you know, I'm thankful that I've
Speaker 1: got to see them because all all these doubters and
Speaker 1: all these people they don't know what's live here and olahome,
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, I had a while apart. God
Speaker 1: tell me they're little thing as a black panther. I
Speaker 1: watched one to kill a deer right here behind my house.
Speaker 1: My wife watched it. Really yeah, oh yeah, so there
Speaker 1: here we seen him as a kid. You know, I
Speaker 1: come face to face with one. My grandfather told me
Speaker 1: he was hungry for venison and where to go get one?
Speaker 1: Because we've had a big snow and I walked down
Speaker 1: word told me to go, and this painther had this
Speaker 1: deer in its mouth, and I let the panther have
Speaker 1: the deer and I come out of there and screaming
Speaker 1: and running back to that and it was a big
Speaker 1: putty kit. I mean a big putty kit. You know.
Speaker 2: I had a friend in high school who his family
Speaker 2: had some land up north of Claremore. That's about as
Speaker 2: detail as I'll make it, but they had a black
Speaker 2: panther on that property that they saw on a pretty
Speaker 2: regular basis. And his dad and his brother both had
Speaker 2: taken shots at it. And both these guys are pretty good,
Speaker 2: you know shots, And they said it didn't even twitch
Speaker 2: or nothing, just took off running whenever you know, the
Speaker 2: gunshot went off. But that was about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard quite a few stories of black panthers
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. I've never seen one, but talk to enough
Speaker 2: people to know that there's something to it. They're definitely
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: And they're beautiful, that's just it. They're beautiful. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the way that they run and move, it's just one
Speaker 1: of most beautifulmanes a creature.
Speaker 2: Very saying well, Tim, I appreciate you coming on here
Speaker 2: and sharing your stories. Man, I sure do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad I was able to, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I never wanted to, you know, get into the research
Speaker 1: side of it, because you know, when you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't take images out of your head
Speaker 1: that you've seen. It's like I told my family, I'll
Speaker 1: take them to my grave. They're they're not gonna go away.
Speaker 1: That one I seen as a kid, one hundred percent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was my first experience of like, wow, I wasn't
Speaker 1: told awe, I forgot over being scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For all the stuff that's happened this year, though there
Speaker 1: there's there's something unique going on. Is it gonna stop
Speaker 1: me from fishing? Next year? It's the good Lord will
Speaker 1: and I'm still here. I'll be fishing, and uh, I'll
Speaker 1: just keep my woods about me and I may try
Speaker 1: to take a picture or two. I've always thought that
Speaker 1: taking a picture was waste of time because they somehow
Speaker 1: just a lot of the pictures get burred or something
Speaker 1: like that. And you know what's funny is the days
Speaker 1: that I'm not even thinking about it is the days
Speaker 1: that I seem to see the thing. Yeah, And I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like and you think about it's cool. I mean
Speaker 1: to have these inter reactions with anything. It's cool for
Speaker 1: a creature that people say don't exist. Yeah, they're there.
Speaker 1: Just look around. Just look around, Matt, I've enjorged.
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Speaker 2: else you can't explain, send me an email at Bigfoot
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