Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with that.
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me.
Speaker 1: Away the quickest.
Speaker 3: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
looked at us. And one of the things I remember
the most, where the eyes were going red. I see
an orb of light. It is just circling these steps
like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 3: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's
where I saw.
Speaker 1: The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As
soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I
don't like death.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright.
Tonight is a very special Halloween episode, So for anyone
out there listening, have a Halloween to you. But we're
going to be joined by two guests tonight, Jerry and Emily.
Each one has their own separate experiences they want to
talk about, so they're going to be split up into
two different interviews. But the similarities between them I thought
would make a very good episode because they are very
similar in some of the circumstances that went on, and
it is just overall a very creepy experience in general.
So I really thought it would be a good time
to do something special for Halloween. So here it is.
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enjoy what we're about to talk about, so sit back, relax,
and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time
to welcome my guest tonight, Jerry. Thanks for coming on
here tonight and talking with me.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me again.
Speaker 4: Yep, pleasure. We had little technical difficulties on my side
because for some reason my stuff wasn't working, but I
think I've got it figured out so hopefully last through
this interview, let's hope. So I will blame it all
on the things that we're about to talk about. It
seems to be when I talk about specific topics beforehand,
I've had electronic equipment issues so and apparently it's not
just me. It's happened with other podcasters too, like some
of their things just stop working. It's kind of an
interesting little phenomena.
Speaker 1: It's like they want attention, but when you give it
to them, that's when they start fucking shut up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that does seem to be what I've noticed too.
Or when you think that things are good and you
say things are good, they come back the next day
just to give you the middle finger, just to remind
you they're still around. But would you like to let
the audience know just a little bit about yourself before
we dive into it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm My name is Jerry thirty nine, has
turned thirty nine recently. Just average guy, go to work,
have a family. But ever since I was a kid,
weird stuff has happened, unexplainable things, seeing things, hearing things,
witnessing things. And I guess it's what we're going to
talk about tonight. Now.
Speaker 4: Some of the things that you had mentioned to me
hit very close to home, and that's what really got
me on to talk with you, because for some reason,
I have a soft spot for children. And I think
it's just being a father, having a daughter, having sons.
Like when you hear about things with children, I'm really
it bothers me just being like that protective parent figure.
I'm just like I want to protect the children. I've
always even before I had kids, I've always had a
soft spot for kids like and if I always heard
something messing the kids or kids being her or something
to be kids being afraid, like I want to go
beat the shit out of that ghost.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, I think it's because of the innocence man, right,
you know, they don't know anybody, they're young, and as
adults or parents, it's our job to protect them. M hm.
Speaker 3: That is why I feel like for me, that is
why I try and be more of a soft spot,
I guess for children. And I really I've had someone
recently come up to me and, uh, they'd brought their nephew.
I was at a convention and he was thirteen years
talking about some of the stuff that he's experienced. And
I've never had an interview really with a child before,
but I would really like to know, like some of
the things that people have experienced, especially since like the
young grade, and a lot of people might write off
like children or whatever, kids, but then they make things up.
They don't.
Speaker 4: I think kids actually don't make a lot of stuff up.
And I think what they're telling they're too honest about it.
The innocence you talked about, Like they're not making stuff up.
It's yeah, they're telling you what they're actually seeing and
dealing with and we're our minds just don't.
Speaker 3: Accept it for that.
Speaker 1: Well, like I before we started this, like I said, I,
you know, kind of grew up watching conspiracy stuff, X
files and aliens in Bigfoot and all this stuff. And
I had a lot of encounters as a kid, Uh
for example, talking to a dead grandfather I'd never met,
And when I got older and had asked about it,
I had my dad, my mom, and my uncle all
in agreeance and all of several times asking, you know,
telling me the same story. Yeah, we walked up a hill.
I was holding somebody's hand, but nobody was there. And
when they come up the hill to find me, I
was being pushed on the swing and they I don't
remember this, but they told me. You know, they had
asked who it was. And I can't remember which side
of the family the grandfather was on, or his name,
but I had said his name and gave a description
of what he looked like and he had been dead
for ten years or more and h and that ever
since then, you know, But back back on topic, my
daughter had started started to uh talk to this invisible
person or imaginary friend named Jack, and you know, at
first we thought it was okay, you know, she's like
three or four. This is what kids do. They have
imaginary friends itself. But anything that we had to do
for her, we had to do for Jack. And it
progressed over well, it was like four, four or five years.
It had progressed and got more evident that something was
there and she wasn't you. No, it wasn't an imaginary brand.
It was something I don't want to say, like a
demonic presence or anything, but what it had led up
to leads me to believe that it was a demonic presidence.
Speaker 3: Now, how old was your daughter.
Speaker 1: At the time when she first started talking. I think
she was between two and four, I'll say somewhere in between,
maybe three. He has started talking about this, this imaginary
friend or whatever named Jack, and so we had we
had moved out of the one house we were renting
and found a slightly bigger place to rent, and she
just kept talking about this dude named Jack. You know,
she had Macarnie and cheese. Jack had to have Macarnie cheese.
I couldn't sit in a certain sea cause Jack with her,
he'd get mad if I sat there. And so like
the big climax of the story. You just go ahead
and get to it. In between all that, it was,
you know, okay, yeah, I can't see her because, like
I said, you know, Jack's here. But when we moved
to the new place, my wife had heard her in
the room talking to somebody, and when she went in
the room, nobody was in there, not even my daughter.
She was outside playing. And I think it was a
couple of nights later she had do the creepy thing
where kids come and stare at you while you're sleeping
and they get right in your face. And so I
woke up. She said, somebody's standing on my bed. I said, okay,
we'll climb up in here with us, and we went
back to sleep. I didn't think anything of it. And
then for the next couple of nights it was somebody's
walking up and down my stairs, somebody's standing in my bed,
and she would constantly coming there and stare in my face,
gove the shit out of me, and uh, kids are
good for that, yeah, And it's so damn creepy when
they do that. You just you draw back and go
to hit because you don't know what the hell it is.
Speaker 4: But there's There's been a few times where the our
oldest son has come into the room. At some point
I wake up and he's just watching us sleep. I
was like, what are you doing? I can't sleep? I
was like, how long have you been standing there?
Speaker 3: A little creep?
Speaker 4: He doesn't do it lately, he's kind of grown out
of it. When he was younger, he was doing it
at all those creek males, like how long have you
been standing there just watching us sleep?
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that. Just wake me up, please, don't. Don't.
That's a good way to get hit, right, And I
really don't want to hit you. You know, I love you,
You're my child. I don't want to hurt you. That's
not so. I think that this had gone on for
a couple of nights before. She had come in and said,
you know, somebody's on my bed, somebody's walking up and
down my stairs. And the one night I had just
woke up, I was in a dead sleep. I woke
up and I heard her start to get up and
come down like clockwork. And the way the house was
set up, man, was you had the small hallway, there
was a bathroom in between both rooms, and it was
maybe six steps from her room to our bedroom doors,
from door to door. Excuse me. So I heard her
get up and start walking down the stairs. Woke her up.
I sat up in or bed and I was waiting
on her. And when she got to her her in
the doorway, there was this loud slam, like something had
been picked up and just slung across the room, and
it scared the shit out of both of us. I
started trying to fight the covers to get out of
the bed, and she was running towards the art room.
And when she had got to our door, I watched her. Yeah,
it looked like something had grabbed her by the pants
and by the back of the shirt and slung her
into our bed. And at this time, she was tiny,
and she used to have to climb on the foot
rest of the bed and then climb into the bed. Well,
this time, I mean it slung her right into the bed,
and it woke my wife up. It scared the hell
out of all of us. And when I went in
the room the next day, she had a keyboard and
the keyboard was just busted all the ship, like somebody
had just slammed the hell out of it, and it
was propped up against the wall, but it was on
the other end of the room. The keys for the
keyboard where everywhere, buttons where everywhere. And I think after
that I had called my dad and was like, Dad,
you know, I got some more I need you to
bless it so we can go through and bless the house.
And it calmed down after that, but it came back
with a vengeance when we moved to the new house.
And we've seen so much shit in a short amount
of time. I can't even I can't even remember what.
I think. I had brought some cas skulls I had
found into the house. I was trying to make a
wind chime out of them, and the activity just it
ramped up. After that. I was kind of going through
a I guess you could say, like a dark, dark
spell or whatever. I was drawing the aphromt and just
satanic shit and I listen and really dark music, and
we had seen I went to go back to bed
one night and we have two dogs, and I saw
I thought I saw one of the dogs walk across
the door. The TV was on, she was asleep. When
I opened the door. The dog's not in there, I know,
damn good and well, I saw something with fore legs.
The shadow walk across the door from where you see
the shadow come under the door from the TV light,
and when I opened the door, there wasn't a dog
and there both the dogs were my daughter's and my
wife was chased through the house by something that looked
like me, but it didn't have a face. We've seen
blankets a white mess just float randomly through the house.
I think I may have gotten off of what we
were originally talking about.
Speaker 3: But that's okay.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask, when you're talking about with
your daughter, did she ever describe what does.
Speaker 3: Jack look like?
Speaker 1: No? No, we never asked or anything. I think we
did ask, but I don't think we were paying attention.
My dad had come to stay with us for a while.
He was going through a rough patch in his marriage,
and he said he was woke up and there were
two figures standing in front of them. One looked like
a little girl with pig tails in kind of like
a nineteen fifty stylid dress, and the other one was
a really tall figure standing behind the little girl. And
it scared my dad pretty bad, like he woke up
and ran out of the house. And that that was
around the time we had asked started asking what does
you know? Who is Jack? What is he? Friendly? Is nice?
But you know, again I don't remember if she had
said anything or I just was brushing it off still
and this belief, I guess, but I don't think she
ever really described what he looked like. And again, if she,
I'm sorry if she did, I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 4: I made the mistake of asking my daughter what it
looked like. And uh, if anyone listening to the show,
they'll they'll we'll find out more about that later.
Speaker 3: But they.
Speaker 4: Again, and any for anyone listening, like, just because a
child was young, that doesn't mean what they're talking to
and saying they're scene and dealing with is not true.
And I think as a parent we tend to overlook
those things. But sometimes kids do have imaginary friends, and
it is just your imagination. And sometimes the imaginary friend
is not really imaginary.
Speaker 1: No, this one definitely was not. And and Jack had
stayed around for a couple of years before it. You know,
like I said, when we when we moved it, it
really started ramping up. And when I watched her get
slung into our bed from our doorway, Uh, I mean
that kind of just lit a fire under my ass,
and we just tried to clean the house. Uh again,
it calmed down, but there was something always there. Do
you oh go ahead, I'm sorry. Now.
Speaker 4: Do you think that this thing actually like lifted her
and threw her?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I literally watched her. It looked like somebody
had grabbed her by the back of the shirt and
the pants, and I mean slung her into our bed.
And the bed was a pretty damn good distance away from.
Speaker 3: The door, so there's no way she was just able
to jump from there.
Speaker 1: No, Like I said, she was tiny. She used to
have to climb up on the end of the bed,
the footboard, and uh then climb into the bed because
we had a pretty tall queen size bed and bed
frame and all that, and the matters sat up on
the box springs. She she always struggled because of her
size getting into the bed. But this night, no, she
was thrown into the bed. There's no there's and I
mean there's countless times where she would run into her
room and climb on the bed, jump on it and
play around like normal kids do. But this night in particular, now,
she it was uh, it was intense and woke my
wife up. It's scared to hell out of all of us.
Speaker 3: How old is your daughter now?
Speaker 1: He's eighteen?
Speaker 3: She just turned this was this is a while ago.
Speaker 1: This was a good while ago. Yeah, and we've had
plenty of other man just insane, unbelievable encounters and experiences
since that. I mean she has, my wife has. My
wife used to not believe in any of this stuff
until we got together, and then I kept telling her
about it, and uh, she she believes in it fully
now one hundred and ten percent.
Speaker 3: With your daughter.
Speaker 4: Whatever happened with Jack that she just kind of quit
talking about it.
Speaker 1: Or Yeah, after we had blessed the house, I guess
you could say it had stopped. It didn't stop completely,
but it had stopped a lot. And I don't think
that she's had any kind of encounter with it since then.
If she has, she hasn't said anything. But she goes
on about her life normally. Now she's real big into
church and her boyfriend have constant Bible studies, So I
tend to believe that that's what's keeping it away from
her at least, which is good. I'm a believer myself,
but I still still have run ins.
Speaker 3: Sometimes things are and I don't want to say places
are haunted or people are haunted, but sometimes I feel
like people are the reason that these things are there.
They're not there for the place, they're there because of
the person.
Speaker 4: And if you didn't experiencing things your whole life, maybe
it's something that attracts them to you. And I don't
know what that could possibly be other than the fact
that you're able to see them, or they know that
you can see them, so maybe that interests them that
you're able to channel into the thirst side or.
Speaker 1: Somehow possibly this I mean, this goes back even to
when my dad was a kid. He would tell me
stoolies about my aunt who would they lived in this
house and she slept up in the attic that was
her room, but there was no windows. And when my
grandma went up there because she heard her talking, said
she went up there and her hair was blowing like
there was a breeze, a real strong breeze, but there
was no windows, and the lady that she was talking
to was bleeding out of her neck and wearing a
white gown. Or come to find out, the lady used
to live in that house, but she had died while
having throats circuits, and my aunt. We took her down
here to the took him on the battlefield and she
we didn't stay long. I mean, she she had like
a strong connection with the other side, that kind of stuff,
and I think maybe we had walked in there twenty
minutes and she was like, I need to go, I'm
not feeling well. And before that she was fine, joking around,
having a good time, and then when we got to
the battlefield, she just completely changed, shut down and just
were not having But I don't want to say it's
like a family curse or anything, but I kind of
I guess I feel it it's like a family curse.
Speaker 4: There are some cases that I've come across, and I'm
not an avid researcher in the paranormal or any one topic,
to be honest, but it is something to do with
like your family. And I don't know if it's what
it actually is. I can't say that, but like there's
been people that I've spoken with that you'd mentioned your aunt,
someone else's grandmother was this way, their ants were this way,
then now they're this way, and then their daughters this well,
like there's something going on like within the families, like
specific people inherit this you call it me like a curse,
but this ability to communicate with something else. And I
don't know if their spirits. I don't know if it's domonic.
I don't know if it's literally higher frequency beings, lower
frequency being I don't know anything about what it could
possibly be other than the fact that there could comunicating
with something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's passed down. I think it's
it like, not necessarily a generational curse, but something along
those lines.
Speaker 4: Random, random question, But uh, do you have any Indigenous
people's bloodlines through you?
Speaker 1: Uh? I think on my mother's side we have a
small tribe was labeled black Slate, and uh, I know
my dad's side he had I can't remember, but yeah,
we do.
Speaker 4: I feel like, and I don't want to generalize the
whole thing, but some of the things I have kind
of come across with some people are in this. I
think if people do the genealogy stuff, a lot of
us have Native American blood lines like I do apparently,
and I think a lot of people probably do one.
Speaker 1: Way or the other.
Speaker 3: But like.
Speaker 4: For me, it seems like more people and this actually
works in the UFO Alien realm, two people really have
more of the Native American side somehow or more involved
with UFO stuff and aironormal stuff. I don't know why
that is, but I've started to nose the pattern that
sometimes people with these sorts of bloodlines are usually more
able to communicate with something. Sometimes they're abducted. Like it's strange.
Like I said, I don't. I don't like to jump
to conclusion the spread false and information or anything like that,
but this is just stuff that I've kind of formed
my own opinion on, So don't take it as fact.
But it's just things that I've come across that to
me kind of line up together.
Speaker 1: I'm in agreeance with that. I don't. I don't really
tell a whole lot of people about this stuff because
they kind of look at you like they're crazy or right.
Every so often you find someone who's like, nah, dude,
like that's just real, and but it's hard to find
those types of people like I got a buddy of
mine at work. I've been Franklin for years, but he
gives me so much shit about it because he's never
seen anything. And I've invited him to go, you know,
I've got a tape recorder. I know some places. It's
gonna see if we can get some EVPs. And he's like, no,
I don't want to get I'm like, what the hell
you want to see it? But when I offer, you
don't want to go. I think he's like busting my
balls about it.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, people like to live
in the bubble, and once the bubble gets popped, there's
no going back. And I think a lot of people
are actually afraid of it. They like to poke fun
and say this isn't real because that's what they want
to believe, because they don't want it to be real,
and the moment they figure out that it is, there's
no going back.
Speaker 1: This is this is also are true? Yeah? Uh? Do
you think that's like intense or immense trauma kind of
plays a factor in that, I.
Speaker 4: Believe, so I think I think emotional scarring and traumatic
events it's just a very high energy, high memory like.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 3: And this is again just my opinion. It doesn't mean anything,
but I feel like traumatic events, major events, it does something.
It does a ripple through I don't want to call
it space time, but it does something through like it leaves,
like I forget the freaking term, but it's like a
negative image on there. Like sometimes you see like Gettysburg
is haunted because of the big all the deaths and
the wars, and you still see like a tape, it's
still playing the same thing. I think when events like
that happen, it does like a stamp in time, and
it impacts us and it impacts the ether, so everything
around us is all tailed or tathered where the phrasing
actually is, but like we're all involved and somehow that
instance plays some sort of a role in the other things.
So it leaves like it's time stamp on us and
then the rest of the.
Speaker 1: World kind of like what is it like a residual, right, yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they call them like residuals, but like I
think that residual is literally burned into reality. And I
think there's different versions of reality, Like we're in a
three D world, and I think the spirit realm is
maybe in like a fourth type of reality, or maybe
some of these evil we call them evil, but these
lower vibrational things are in a different realm. They're like
from a different frequency plane, Like everything is frequencies and vibrations,
and we were vibrating constantly or our frequency. But some
of these other things could be from a different version
of that, like a spirit realm could be just these
higher frequency vibrating beings that come in here, or some
could be lower vibrant and they come off and feed
off the negativity. Like there's all sorts of theories out there,
and I don't know if that's true or not, but
I tend to lean that way more so since I've
started doing this show, because it makes more sense to me.
It doesn't have to make sense for anyone else, but
it does for me.
Speaker 1: Kind of think of like, uh, guess how to explain
that someone and doesn't understand it. Maybe when I guess
when you make like a record, uh, some kind of
a recording is kind of never mind.
Speaker 3: I know what I haven't.
Speaker 4: I know what you're saying, though, Like when you make
a record, when you play the record, it's a vibration
of what was actually like recorded to that record, It's
like the grooves and stuff, And I understand what you're
I'm I come from playing a death metal band, so
I understand the whole concept.
Speaker 3: Of the music. So for me, but like I get
what you're saying, like you're burning their music onto this
record and it takes the it's spinning around and the
little needles picking up the weird vibrations from the little
grooves and making and it plays off the music of
how it works. That is essentially you can kind of
reference that to like what our world is. It's those vibrations,
like we are the music. We live in the music
right now. The record player is the world and we're
the music, and the vibration is what we are surrounded
by and what we actually are.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, basically what I was exactly what I
was going to say, not in so many words, but
I couldn't with the pieces together.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm here for.
Speaker 1: Help it out now.
Speaker 4: That when it comes to all the weird stuff, somehow
I think it's all connected one way or the other.
And I don't know if that's true. Again, it's just
kind of my theories that when you talk with people
that have had some sort of paranormal experiences, you tend
to find when you start asking and I'll ask you,
have you ever seen anything strange far as what could
possibly be like considered a UFO?
Speaker 1: No, And I really wanted to, But my dad, has.
Speaker 4: Have you seen or been in anyone in your family
or whatever seen anything that could be considered like a cryptid?
Speaker 1: What what is it? Cryptid? Exactly like a.
Speaker 4: Big foot, a dog man, a Jersey devil, like any
any of those weird type of creatures that they claim
aren't real, like even like they call them pill crawlers
or anything like that, like those slender humanoid looking things,
like weird stuff that basically we call monsters.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that would go back to my aunt. They
my dad explained it. They were they were chased by
like more than a dozen sixthan's tall, pave man looking
beings and my dad had you know, he said, yeah,
they bite, fants, hit you, and it'd attack you all
at once. And I just kind of looked at him
when he told me that, and I'm like, that's fucking stupid,
Like but I him and my aunt both were like, no,
this this really happened. And I'm like, where the hell
I mean we I'm.
Speaker 3: I'm not even like laughing at that. I'm laughing at
the sense because I can actually relate to something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, ship.
Speaker 4: So yeah, basically, years back, we were being dumb kids,
and we threw rocks on this mound and something come
out chasing us. And I don't know how tall it was.
I just seen something come out, and everyone swore it
was a goblin.
Speaker 1: Noh shit, Okay, it wasn't very.
Speaker 4: It wasn't very tall. Most likely to me was like probably,
looking at it now, it's probably an animal. But all
my cousins said it was a goblin. And I was
just running the hell out of there because I'm not
getting eaten by whatever the hell just come out of
this thing we threw rocks out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: There are all sorts of actual stories about little people
and things I've never heard of being six inches that's
actually smaller than what they're normally reported as. But up
in the northeastern part of the country, there's the stories
of the puck wedges, which we actually have some in
our area too here in Indiana. But they're basically a
little well, I would say more, I don't know how
to even describe what they would be considered there, but
basically like a spiritual type little things. But then there's
also the old legends of the fairy folk, they call
them fay and those are smaller. So I've always referenced
things to the sense of where did the stories and
legends come from? Like obviously in Europe they had a
lot more our stories about fayfolk. Well, what influenced them
to like leprechauns, What influenced them to talk about those
or little elves or all these things? Something had to
start those stories at some point. So what were people seeing?
Like fairies? They are only like a foot tall, if
that big? What influence people to talk about that? Will
some say, well, they were just fireflies? Well I would
think fairies, like a little human with wings that flies
around could be described better than.
Speaker 3: A bug.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, there's I believe in that shit.
Speaker 4: Again, that goes back into the realm of the different reality,
like the different planes of existence. Like in our world,
we're in the three D world, but maybe these things
are from the five D world whatever the hell that
could be. My mind doesn't even know what that would be,
but like, maybe they're from a different frequency vibration area
that we can't see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that I believe in a lot of some
of it. I'm kind of like, Okay, that's kind of weird.
But again, like you said, you know, where does this
derive from? Where where do they get these creatures and
their stories and folklore, And somebody had to have seen
it somewhere, someone.
Speaker 4: That saw something somewhere to make a story about it.
That's it can go for anything that Let's use Sasquatch
for an example. There's been reports of them everywhere, like
almost on every continent. They've had some sort of reports
of something that would be considered a large, bipedal, hairy humanoid.
But there's nothing that proves that they exist. There's never
been a body found that at least has been publicly acknowledged.
Now you see pictures of what people.
Speaker 3: Say are them.
Speaker 4: You've seen the video that the famous video for walks
and turns its head back and looks and keeps going.
There's all that stuff, but people still say they don't exist.
What does everyone see?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's had to have been seen somewhere. I mean
you can you can you can believe it, or you
can try to counteract it and say, oh no, you know,
dude was habitual liar and a drunk, so I mean,
good storyteller, But I do believe and feel that this
stuff has to come from somewhere, some kind of sighting.
Speaker 4: If you want to look at it like a scientific
point of view. If you're a skeptic, you could throw
up wall. If these are real, then why are there no?
Why is there no? You would see a lot more
like with the way technology is. How come security cameras
aren't picking these things up? How come with everyone with
a cell phone they don't record them?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Why has no one been digging in the ground building
all these buildings? We ever find buried stuff? Well, here's
the thing that most people don't consider. How often do
we dig in the ground anyways and come across anything?
Like if we're just digging, have you ever dug up
a bear? Has anyone dug up like the remains of
indigenous people? I know it's happened, but like you don't
hear about it though, So who's to say that we
haven't dug some of those things up when we just
don't realize we have been. That is, if they are
an actual flesh and blood creature like a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Think they are.
Speaker 4: And again that's just sasquatch. You could relate that to
UFOs and aliens. You can relate to anything. When it
comes down to it, there has to be some sort
of an explanation. And then even with paranormal people are
experiencing something, they're seeing something. What picked your daughter up
and through it to your bed.
Speaker 1: Exactly like huh, So that was one of the serious
moments in my life.
Speaker 4: There's something that does this, And as much as I
would love to know one hundred percent what it is,
the sad reality, I don't think we ever will, at
least not in my lifetime. I know that sucks, but
I don't know if we're ever going to get that
full on disclosure as to what is really going on.
Speaker 1: Do you think that maybe all this kind of stuff
is very deep in the catacombs of the Vatican.
Speaker 4: Without going on full on conspiracy realm with it.
Speaker 3: I think. I think a lot of the upper.
Speaker 4: Societal members and religious like church things, not just like
with the Church, but like other different denominations and everything.
I think I think they have ideas. I don't want
to say that they have everything and they know everything,
because the way I understand how most things work. I
heard this recently on something else, and it made a
lot more sense to me. I think there are a
lot of the reasons that they don't acknowledge certain things,
like government wise, because they can't control it. So if
they can't can control the paranormal, they can't control.
Speaker 3: UFOs or aliens or anything like that.
Speaker 4: They can't control possible fae, different realities different to me,
they're just not going to talk about it because they
don't have the power over it. I feel like we
as humans were very egotistical in the sense that we
think we're the best of the best, and if we
know that we're not, we don't want everyone else to
know that. So we're just not going to acknowledge that.
So we want to be top of the food chain.
What happens if we find out we're not. How would
the world react if they knew that there's spirit realms
out there that actually do feed on us. They feed
on our energy. They're like a parasitic thing that we
don't even see, but they're all surrounded by us, and
then they feed off the hate and everything that's been
influenced in our lives. That was a reality. If someone
were to come on TV and say that, everyone was like,
what the that guy's crazy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, I guess it goes back to seeing
is believing, right.
Speaker 4: I've said a lot of times I don't think people
fully understand it if they've never had their own experience.
It really takes someone to actually have some sort of
an experience that they acknowledge before they'll actually understand there's
a lot more to it, because I believe a lot
of people have experiences they just don't realize it or
they won't pay attention to it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was kind of hard not to pay attention
to it and acknowledge the fact that something abnormal is
going on around And you know that could go back
to what you had said previously about in the bubble.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all sorts of possibilities, but that is the
whole thing with life is well, I personally don't think
we'll ever really figure it out. I don't know if
we're really designed to know all of the secrets of life.
And I think these are part of the secrets that
we all keep searching for answers for. But I don't
know if we're ever going to find the actual answer.
We might get some clues here and there, but the
world is a giant puzzle and we're all sitting here
certain sorting through pieces of it trying to find the
ones a fit.
Speaker 1: Have you ever experienced sleep paralysis.
Speaker 3: I have. I actually have it often. I don't know.
I didn't know what it was at first, and I
can talk to you more about it off air, but no,
I just had it probably about a month ago.
Speaker 1: Do you see anything when you experience the sleep paralysis?
Is anything present itself to you? Do you feel anything?
Speaker 4: I usually just realize I'm not moving and I keep
fighting until I start moving. I tell myself to wake up,
and I wake up.
Speaker 1: Lucky. I've had it twice, and my wife, you know again,
was kind of the skeptic. She thought I was having
a bad dream or something and I was completely awake.
I couldn't move and h the first time. Anytime I
close my eyes, these planes would shoot up and it
was just like this big mouth of huge fucking teeth
snapping at my face. And when I'd opened my eyes,
I was sweating profusely, like like I was inside of
a heater, and I could feel these gusts of winds
every time, and it took forever to wake up. And
then that one scared me because I seen shit crawl
on the wall as well. Uh something I don't I
don't know what it was. It was some kind of
a a shadow figure had long extremities and hair, and
it just went right before I could move, it had
crawled into the ceiling. And then I was able to
have full control of my own body again. And the
second time, I think I scared myself just from the
past experience. I didn't really see anything, but I struggled
so hard to scream or move or something. And then
I think it was like a year later my wife
had finally experienced it for the first time, and this
is when we had moved, and we're seeing the blankets
and stuff, the things crawling in the floor and under
the door, her being chased by something she thought with
me but had no face, and it scared the hell
out of her, and she was like, I'm so sorry.
Well I was like, yeah, well, you know, we discussA
that later, but right now, are you okay?
Speaker 3: I'd like to talk a little bit more about that,
Like how did the whole thing come about?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I worked second shift at this
break place, and when I got home, I was I
was so tired. I had been up for I think
I was going on twenty four hours straight. I couldn't sleep,
and when I laid down to go to sleep. I
think I started dozing off and I don't know what happened.
I couldn't move and I started panicking. I'm wide awake.
I'm panicking. And anytime I closed my eyes to try
to like get out of it, there's these planes and
these huge I seen a masket spirit Halloween last week,
and I was like, fay, Gabe, this is what I
saw that one time I had sleep for It was
the same. It was Oh man, it was insane, dude.
These huge fucking teeth just snapping at my face had
come out of the flames. And when I opened my
eyes again, I was sweating profusuly. I like I was
in a sauna, and I could feel it. Every time
it snapped his teeth and I'd opened my eyes, I
could feel these gusts of winds. And that went on.
I know at least twenty minutes. I laid there trying
to move and scream and dealing with that. And right
before I gained full control of my own body again,
something had crawled up the wall and into the ceiling.
And that that was one of the scariest moments as well. Uh,
I don't I don't know, come to think of it, man,
when I was a kid, we went swimming at my
one ant's house. She had this big ass pull out
in the yard and I had jumped in through an
inner tube and I got stuck and I was under
My head was under the water, and uh, I don't
know how long it was, but I started seeing this.
I remember seeing this light to start I could I
don't know if I'd sucked in a bunch of water,
but I had seen this bright light to start coming
into my I guess my periphials or something. It was
like right in front of me, but it was all around,
and then it kept getting closer or growing bigger, and
right before it it got like right up on me.
I got poured out of the water and they were
pumping on my chest. I split up a bunch of water,
and after that, I remember seeing and hearing a lot
more stuff, I guess, like a near death experience.
Speaker 4: That is interesting because I wonder if that is part
of the reason as to why you're more open to
these things, because you were close to that side, Like
maybe that light you saw was the other side to
where these things are now able to. They saw you,
so maybe since they saw you now they're more interested
in you.
Speaker 1: I never really thought of it like that. I thought
it was, you know, the light at the end of
the tunnel, as they say, here's what I've.
Speaker 4: Mentioned this on a previous episode. We're always told to
go to the light when you see the light at
the end of the tunnel. What if the light at
the end of the tunnel is not really what we
think it is. What if the light is where they
want us to go, because that's where they get us
at It is a really morbid outlook, But what do
you attract? What gets drawn to lights? Look at bugs,
they get drawn into the light. You turn on the light,
you sucking all these things, Like the light brings in everything.
And everyone's like, oh, you got to go to the light. Well,
if I was trying to trap things defeat on them.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I would all the light and draw them
to the light.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to die anymore. On Holy shit,
that's that's insane.
Speaker 4: So I'm not telling people if you die, not to
go to the light, but maybe look around first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get it, feel what the hell is out there?
Speaker 4: Because if you start going to that light, what if
and this is just some out there stuff, But what
if the light is.
Speaker 3: Or we get trapped.
Speaker 4: What if the light is not how we move to
the next world. Like I'm not saying like heaven, hell
anything like that. I'm just saying, like, what if our
bodies are here, our souls are trapped, our energy, our
consciousness in order for us to reach the next stage.
Like maybe these beings from a different plane of existence
used to be what we are, and maybe the light
is the trap and then we don't achieve the higher level,
so we go into the light and we get stuck
back here and we start all over again, like or.
Speaker 1: Someone like a reincarnation type thing.
Speaker 4: You could say that way, but like people say reincarnation,
but like we're destined to I use that as an
example for like when people have deja vu, because I
have that a lot, and it's almost like we've been
here before. Well, we died, went to the light, came
back by now we're living the whole life over again.
We're all just on repeat. So maybe we're not supposed
to go to the light, which goes against everything that
people It goes against everything that we're taught. But I've
always been one that kind of rebels against what's been
taught to me in the first place. So I said,
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying I'm wrong.
I don't really know what the hell I'm talking about.
I'm just saying for me, I've often wondered if maybe
we're not supposed to go to the light, because what
happens if we don't? Are we ghosts? Then we wander around?
Maybe is that what these spirits are because they didn't
go to the light, Or.
Speaker 3: Maybe they go to the light and then.
Speaker 4: They come back and their ghosts don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Like I said, it's just something to.
Speaker 1: Think about, definitely something to think about that I've never
thought of it like that before, but I probably, ah,
I probably will, thank you. It's a new fear unlaw.
Speaker 4: That's uh, not what I'm here to do. But this
is going to be the Halloween episode. So for anyone listening,
hopefully I didn't ruin your.
Speaker 1: Your evenings afterlife, right, not.
Speaker 3: Telling you not to go to the light. You want
to go to the light. More and more important to
me is you to go and do your own thing.
Don't use me as an influence. I'm just a nobody.
Speaker 1: If you get to go to the light and come back,
please document everything and get back with it in full
tails and let us know.
Speaker 4: People have said before that the whole thing of going
to the light is because it's your memories going back
through and it's basically like the first memory you have
because you're being born. It sounds weird, Yeah, it sounds weird,
but I've heard that a lot, or like, no, when
you're dying, you just remember being born. Well that's kind
of what got me thinking about the whole aspect of
going back through it again. You go to the light
and then you're born again. So are we not moving on?
Because if that's the case, they're saying, you're just remembering
being born. Well, maybe it's because when you go to
the light you are being born again, you're someone else,
you're the same person or on repeat. I don't know
what it means other than maybe that's what's happening. So
maybe we shouldn't go to the light.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's just that's just how my brain works.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's nothing wrong with that either. That's a that's
an that's insane, that's intense.
Speaker 4: We can probably wrap this one up, but before we do,
is there anything else you would like to talk about?
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, there's a lot. But you know, if you're
willing man and this was okay, I'd love to come
back and discuss more of our experiences, or maybe a
multiple guest one where somebody has relatable experiences or I'm
always down for it. I'd nice to finally have somebody
that will actually sit and listen and compare and contrast
ideas instead of just brush it off and look at
you like you're fucking weird.
Speaker 4: No, I the whole reason I do my show is
for what you just said. There is too many people
out there that do not consider any of this stuff
and instantly write it off. The whole concept for me
is to make something for people to be able to
come on and have those conversations and not get made
fun of, not get told they're crazy, not get ridiculed.
That's not what I do here. So I don't tend
to say that I believe everything that gets thrown at me,
because I am a skeptic in most parts. But I'm
a lot more open than I ever used to be.
But I tend to believe that majority of the people
that I speak with fully believe what they're telling me.
So if they believe it, who am I to question it?
You know, I wasn't there. I didn't experience it. I'm
going to tell someone they didn't experience what they said
they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish more people thought like that.
Speaker 3: It takes someone to have experiences that, like I said earlier,
to relate to it. If people don't have those experiences,
then they don't have any idea what it's actually like
to have them. So that is, like I said, why
I do what I do just because I know what
it's like for people not to believe you.
Speaker 1: Not a good feeling, not at all. Oh yeah, definitely, man,
I can, I can. If you want to do another
one of these, I can tell you about the time
that we actually captured EVPs walked into a cold spot.
And this all happened in one night, and I think
we captured like six EVPs within a ten minute timeframe
and walked into a cold spot. And what's funny is
that there was a guy who had just died behind
the house in a freak a week prior, and I
think we caught his voice on the recorder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can definitely have you back out here on
here and we can talk more about it. I enjoyed
talking with you. So yeah, I definitely have you back
on sometime.
Speaker 1: Thanks. Man, I definitely honored to be on here. That's
that's for damn sure.
Speaker 4: All I appreciate you come on here and sharing that
with us.
Speaker 1: But for.
Speaker 4: Now, we're going to wrap this one up on this
little segment. So again thanks to Jerry and thanks for listening.
Speaker 3: Like, take this time to welcome my guest in studio tonight,
Miss Emily. Hi, don't make it awkward. Would you like
to let the audience know a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2: So I can let the audience know, but you're already
going to know because you're married to me, or at
least I hope you know something about me. Yeah. So
I'm a mom, I work full time. I I've worked
for many years in different areas.
Speaker 3: But healthcare, child development. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I'm the person everybody here hates to hear on
the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, you're not one that is big in the whole
paranormal aspect or anything either.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you hear everybody's stories, but to me,
they're just that stories.
Speaker 3: So you could say you're a skeptic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to say the.
Speaker 3: Least, you know think aliens are flying around and abducting people.
Speaker 2: No, especially especially aliens, not abducting people. No, especially in
their dreams.
Speaker 3: Okay, So for the audience listening, and you can kind
of understand the basis of where we're at here. But
the reason I wanted to have you on to talk
to you is because someone else that I had interviewed,
which the interview was before this one. So for anyone
listening to the interview, you just listened to. But there
are very many similarities to what he was talking about
to some of the things that you've experienced with our
oldest and now with our youngest daughter. So for me,
I thought it would be interesting to talk about some
of that stuff instead of hearing it from me, hearing
it from the person that's actually experienced it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because for the stuff with our oldest, I absolutely
wasn't there for that, So this is all prior to
me and you being together. But for the listening audience,
I figured they might find this interesting because, again, coming
from someone who doesn't really believe in this sort of stuff,
even though you've experienced stuff and saw stuff, it's kind
of funny to me that you're still against believing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because once you believe it. It makes it real.
Speaker 3: And that's what I tell people. A lot of people
have experiences and they want to write it off because
they don't want to accept the fact that it is real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what I've done for all these years,
is refused to accept it because I don't want to
make it real.
Speaker 3: Well, if you want to get started, they get bag
all the way to the beginning.
Speaker 2: So back when the oldest was about six or eight
months old, her dad and I moved into our first house,
you know, and I always when I walked in, had
that feeling of somebody's there, but nobody is there. And
shortly after living there, we hired somebody to come watch
her in our home because the cost of childcare, even
thirteen years ago was astronomical. And about two or three
days into her watching our daughter, she had said that
she was curious about who lived here before we did,
because she would have our daughter in the front room
and her toys would be turning on and playing, and
she would hear interesting noises back in our daughter's bedroom,
which was you know, at the other end of the house.
And you know, we didn't have any dogs or cats
that could have went back there and turned them on.
So it was definitely like a you know, eye raiser
and why they would be turning on. And you know,
we did explain to her that prior to us living there,
we did learn that there had been a gentleman who
passed away in that room, so you know, the joke was, oh,
he'd probably still here then. But again, not one to
really want or have the need to believe that that
could really be a thing, And it wasn't until about
a week and a half two weeks later, she said
she's not going to keep watching our daughter and literally
left me high and dry. I had to call off
work that day because she didn't show up because she
was too afraid to come back.
Speaker 3: Now this was back when about two thousand.
Speaker 2: And eleven, twenty twelve. Yeah, yeah, so it's been quite
a while ago. So you know, I stayed home that
day and we kind of tried to figure out what
we were going to do. And that feeling of somebody's
watching or somebody's there intensified over the course of you know,
those couple of weeks that she was there, and I
kind of put it all as you know, she was
the first person to say it. Maybe she introduced something somehow,
but you know, I kind of pushed that away because
I also had that weird feeling from the first time
we walked in.
Speaker 3: What type of feeling can you describe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like when you feel like somebody's looking
over your shoulder, you know, like just somebody's right there,
that eerie goosebumpy feeling when you walk into a building
and you don't feel like you're alone.
Speaker 3: By heaviness, Yeah, yeah, you could say heavy.
Speaker 2: It's very ominous type feeling.
Speaker 3: Now, this was the first place you'd moved into, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, this was the first place to be lived
outside of our parents' homes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: How long ago had the guide passed away in there?
Speaker 2: It had been about two years prior to when we
moved in, But there had been a couple other families
that moved in between him passing away and us moving in,
and they weren't even there for six months.
Speaker 3: I know who they were.
Speaker 2: I didn't know them personally, but I talked to one
of the neighbors, and the lady who lived there with
that man because it was her brother. She ended up
moving to a different house right down the road, and
even the neighbors said he hated kids. So every family
who has moved in there with kids has never stayed,
you know, longer than six months. And we were reaching
right at that six month point when everything started to
get really strange.
Speaker 3: About how old was she at that point?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: Just about a year old?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was right before she turned one.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, well from there, I know there's a lot
more to it, so Y keep going.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So one day she, I mean was just absolutely
granted and I could not, you know, figure out what
was going on. So I went to go back there
and her bedroom door shut very abruptly, very hard, and
of course that sued me to run to the door.
And you know, the the house that I was living
in was a trailer, so you know, anybody who knows
trailers know they're not like super sturdily built, so doors
are easily opened generally speaking, But at that moment.
Speaker 3: I couldn't open the door.
Speaker 2: It was like it was locked, even though there was
no lock on that door.
Speaker 3: So no matter what you did, you couldn't get into Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I was doing my whole body into it.
I was twisting the handle, pulling up on it, pulling
back on it, everything, and I could just hear her screaming,
and any parent knows hearing their child screaming is the
worst feeling when you can't get to them. And then
all of a sudden, the door just was no longer.
It was almost like somebody was on the other side.
Speaker 3: Pushing it shut, trying to keep you out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then all of a sudden, there is no
weight on that door. And when I walked in, and
it still gives me goosebumps when I even talk about
it now, when I walked in, she was up against
the back of her crib, not touching the mattress.
Speaker 3: So basically saying she was levitating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there was no way that she could
have been I mean anything but literally loading.
Speaker 3: Now, when you've told me this before, and I've called
bullshit on it because to me, I don't necessarily see
that being possible. But your ex is also said that.
But did he actually see it or was it only you?
Speaker 2: No, it was just me. He wasn't there, so him,
you know, saying yeah, okay, it's agreeing, But he had
heard the things on the baby monitor randomly, you know,
But I kind of put that off to outside noise
because trailer walls are thin, you know, you hear everything outside.
Speaker 3: But did it come through the monitor.
Speaker 2: A couple of different times there was like static that
would come through. But again I put that off to
cheap material. And he would always say, oh, yeah, no,
it's not cheap. That doesn't just happen. But shortly after
any noise we would hear, our daughter would just lose it.
She would be hysterical and crying. But what was you know,
the worst for it was once I got to her.
You know, it was like I picked her up out
of mid air. She never once went back down like
you know it. Some people were like, oh, she was
probably holding onto the back of the crib or no,
her pack was against it.
Speaker 3: I'm still knowing you, and not just because you're my wife,
but like when I hear that stuff to me, I
try to rule out how that's possible. And for some
reason I can't to the audience because you're my wife
be like, oh, he's just going to go along with whatever.
But no, if anyone knows me, especially you, yeah, you're
gonna call out bullshit.
Speaker 2: You see bullshit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 3: I still struggle excepting that, and I know you and
you're not a bullshitter at all. Yeah, so I want
to believe, but it's creepy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I said, I still get goosebump and it's
been thirteen years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's one things. Again, I didn't see it,
so I can't say, yes, this is what really happened,
but I also can't rule it out. So for me,
it's just like I don't know how to explain it, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, after that happened, I of course
called her dad and I was like, I'm leaving, never
coming back to this house. I don't know what just happened.
And I explained the whole thing to him, and we
ended up going and staying with a friend of ours
for a few days because I was just absolutely traumatized.
I wouldn't go back in to get closed, like I
wouldn't go back in for anything. And he contacted a
friend of ours who was very heavily into religion and
she had been known to do cleanses of houses, and
so he asked her if she would go and do
you know an investigation or a cleanse, whatever, you know,
you want to look at it as and she said yeah,
so she did and she met with us later and
told us that we can't return. It's not safe until
she's finished, which, of course, you know, made me freak
out because you know, my young mom, I didn't know
what that meant, like with I putting my own child
in danger. And a couple days later she finally told us, yes,
you can go back. I put some angels in her bedroom,
one of which was in a window basing out, and
then there was some in her closet and then won
by the front door, and she said, as long as
you live here, don't move them. That will help to
tour anything from re entering your home. We did just that.
I actually still own those angels. They're in a cabinet now,
but you know, we left those there. And as she
got older, you know, things didn't stop per se. If anything,
they got a little weirder for me. You know, she
would once she was at the age of you know,
talking to a point of understanding, she would tell us
that she sees eyes outside her window, you know, red eyes.
They're looking at me. They're looking at me. And we
always you know, maybe it's somebody's tail lights or maybe
it's you know, whatever. But it was only ever out
of her window, never out of the front window or
the back window.
Speaker 3: Was it the same window or the thing was the angel?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the angel was It was like a bay window.
Who it had like the flat part on the bottom,
and the angel was sitting there on that flat part
looking out, and that was the exact same window that
she would always tell us that she saw red eyes,
so we had curtains up, but she said that she
could still see them. So she was probably two and
a half and she would start having what we later
were told by doctors were night terrors where we thought
she was awake because of how fast she was running
and just screaming. And you know, again as a parent,
hearing your child's scream is the worst thing ever, especially
in the middle of the night in a dead sleep.
But she was never actually awake. And she would come in,
you know some nights looking like she's holding hands with somebody,
and you know, we would ask her, what are you doing,
and she would giggle and you know, just mumble things
and then crawl on our bed and go back to sleep. Well,
one particular night, she came sprinting, I mean like I
heard her running the moment she left her room into
my room and jumped in my bed, and of course
I'm trying to soothe her and are you okay? Are
you okay? And again she's not awake, so she's not
like responding. Her eyes are open, she looks awake, she
looks like, you know, your normal person looking at you.
But she sits up. And the way that we had
our room set up is our bed was like in
the corner, and there was a window close to the
foot of our bed on the right side. And she
sits up, crossed to the window and pulls the curtain back,
turns around ever so slowly, and I will never forget
like that slow turnaround and said they're here, shut the
curtain or blinds, laid down and went to sleep.
Speaker 3: Now, when you say they're here, reminds me of the
movie Poltergeist. Yeah, yeah, the little creepy kid and little
girl that turned from the TV and said they're back
or whatever.
Speaker 2: They're Yeah, so of course I freaked out, like I'm awake.
It's three thirty in the morning. And that was the
other very very strange thing the time the time, it
was always between three and four am, which later I've
always learned, you know, that's apparently like a witching hour.
Or something they say the most you know, awake, that
the spirits are or whatever.
Speaker 3: Thirty three thirty three usually isn't the mocking. It's like
half of six six six. I've been right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that of course I woke her dad up,
and I'm like, something's going on, like this is what
was said, and uh, you know, of course men waking
up in the middle of the night is nearly impossible,
not always true, okay, not for you, but most men,
you know. So of course he rolled over and went
right back to sleep. And here I lay awake because
I'm not going to go back to sleep. My kid
just told me somebody's ear, but I don't see anybody,
and I did. I got up. I checked that window,
I checked the front window, I checked her window, and
I didn't see anything. So I just sat in bed
sued her because she was still like breathing shakily, almost
like she was scared, even though she wasn't awake. And then,
you know, we kind of brushed that off. But then
a few days later she came in our room again,
and this became an almost nightly thing that she would
come in and we would just most of the time
put her in our bed, put her back to sleep,
and ignore anything that was happening around us. But one
night in particular, she came in and she was giggling,
so it was a nice treat to not have her screaming.
It was like she was holding somebody's hand again, and
we're like, hey, what are you doing? And she's like,
giggles and says, I'm talking to Grandma Jackie.
Speaker 3: And I was like.
Speaker 2: Who, because her Grandma Jackie died three years before she
was born, and so that was the only Jackie I
knew of. That could be you know, references to it,
but it didn't make any sense because she'd never seen her.
And I was, you know, again, who, She's like Grandma Jackie,
and she giggled and said, and she wants me to
tell you cows don't have teeth. And I immediately sat
up and I was absolutely petrified when I was a teenager.
That was Grandma Jackie's joke, these cows don't have teeth,
to try to make me not afraid of them.
Speaker 3: You're afraid of cows for one listening, Yeah, I am.
It's a very strange phobia to be afraid of cows.
Speaker 2: But you are terrified, then I have explained it a
million times. If you have never been chased in an
open field by a bull and a bunch of hungry cows,
you wouldn't understand.
Speaker 3: They're not going to eat you. They do have they
do have teeth, but not to eat meat.
Speaker 2: Listen, you couldn't have told sixteen seventeen year old me that,
and you cannot tell thirty year old me that either.
So yeah, that was you know. And there had been
a couple of different instances where she referenced Jackie and
she had saw a picture of her grandma at her
So Jackie was her great grandma. And she saw a
picture of her at her grandmother's house and said, Madma,
who is that? And she told her, well, that's Grandma Jackie.
I thought you'd said you had seen her before. And
in the photo she had her hair all ice and pretty.
It was a family photo, and she said, no, Grandma
Jackie has no hair. And Grandma Jackie died of cancer.
But she would have never been seen in public or
by family other than her husband and daughter and son
put out her wig on. So for her to reference
something that even some of the closest family had never
seen was wild.
Speaker 3: Who was that to her is that obviously on her
dad's side.
Speaker 2: So it was yeah, it was her dad's mom's mom.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so it was her great grandma.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And like I said, she passed away three
years where she had part of her name from. But yeah,
she would have never have had any sort of memory
of her.
Speaker 3: Would anyone have said anything to her about cows that?
Speaker 2: No, Because what's funny is that was me and Jackie thing.
I had never even told anybody until after that instance
that Jackie had told me that because I had come
back into the house after feeding time down at the farm.
They had a big farm, and I was just frantic.
She's trying to calm me down in the kitchen and
then she's like, girl, what is wrong with you? And
of course I'm hysterical, and I'm like, I was chased
by cows and they were kind of hurt me and
you know, hint my fear. And so she's like, oh, honey, no, no, no,
you don't. You don't need to be scared of them.
They don't even have teeth, and so, you know, that
was kind of like a oh, yeah, I know, you're right.
They may be thousands of pounds, but they don't have teeth,
so they can't chew me up. It's fine. Disclaimer, cows
have teeth.
Speaker 3: I don't know if any cow that eats flesh, but
I guess it's a possibility.
Speaker 2: Anything's possible, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Know cows do buy. I've seen cows get nibbled. I've
actually been bit by a cow. It didn't hurt. But
like they're biting my clothes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little pinch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But same thing with goats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, goat and donkeys and yeah, they all like pincha
with them big old teeth of theirs. But for years,
I mean that happened when I was sixteen or seventeen,
and the instance that you know, our daughter was I
was probably twenty twenty one. It's only had been several
years since that occurred. And here she was saying, Grandma
Jackie says, cass don't have teeth, and like I said,
I sat up. That was like, oh my what. But
you know, we never really paid much attention to the
angels in her room, just because we knew we weren't
touching them, and we knew she wasn't touching them because
she wouldn't even play in there, like we put all
her toys out in the living room, like she would
go in there after she was asleep. We would take
her in there to go to bed, because you know,
it was a trailer, it wasn't much space. But she
wouldn't even play in there, so we knew she wasn't
messing with them. But the ones in the top of
the closet were turned. And shortly after we noticed that
they were turned, was you know, when the there's they're
here comment happened and things like that, So it was like,
is that somehow related? Like looking back now, it's like,
is that somehow related to them being turned? Like did
whatever she's seen and nobody else could see have something
to do with that? Or you know, completely unexplainable.
Speaker 3: I think children have the ability to see things that
we are not able to see. Oh yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Her one of her dad's best friends, we called him
her uncle for years. He was tragically killed in a
motorcycle accident. And she would have been five five and
a half maybe at the time of that happening. She
may have been moved six. I don't know, she's somewhere
between five and six, you know, And we were all
of course really upset because you know, he was somebody
close to all of us, and she kept telling us,
don't be sad. I still get to see him. I
still get to see him. It's okay. And you know,
we truly believe, like especially after the Grandma incident, you know,
with mentioning something, she should have never known that somehow,
some way she did see them.
Speaker 3: It will point do kids stop seeing that though? I
think there's I think there's an age where they kind
of start to not be able to see it. Yeah,
some still do. Well for modern reference, this was just
the other day. She lives in our basement. She doesn't
like living in the basement because she says she always
feels like someone's watching her. She lives in the basement.
Who's watching her?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no windows than even the small little access
window per se is covered by a tapestry.
Speaker 3: On the wall, right, So there's no way anything can
be watching.
Speaker 2: But she does feel that she's does. And you know,
she doesn't like to go any places that are super
dark or you know, anything like that because she still
feels like somebody's watching her. And we've struggled with dreams
with her up until she was probably seven almost eight
we moved out of that house, thank goodness. I mean
it has since been torn down. There was a family
who moved in after I moved out, and they were
there for six months and they left, So you know,
I truly believe there was something about that six month mark.
Speaker 3: How many the years were you there for? Then almost five? Okay,
and then we've been together since beginning middle somewhat beginning
of twenty eighteen, so we've been together for almost seven years.
When I've got with you, she wasn't really having the issues,
but she still would have night terrors every once in a.
Speaker 2: While, and that scream that screams something you'd never forget
when they would complain that.
Speaker 3: And she also had a lot of weird vomiting mellow
of the night. That is when I had I never
had children up until we got together, so for thirty
five years I was never around children. And I have
a very weak stomach for anyone out there waiting up
in the middle of light hearing a child screaming, going
in there and seeing, because you were very pregnant at
the time, seeing that massacre of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and you know that initial fear that you're
feeling when you hear them screaming like that. I mean,
it's like it's literally a gout rid ching. Why are
they screaming at that house? You know, she was upstairs,
we were downstairs.
Speaker 3: I never once had any weird vibes at that house.
Speaker 2: Now. I love that house.
Speaker 3: That would have been the house else that I thought
would have been creepy because it was one hundred and
something years old. Yeah, it was built in eighteen something.
Speaker 2: Eighteen ninety something.
Speaker 3: At eighteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a really old house.
Speaker 3: But it was beautiful. Yeah, and not ones did I
ever have a weird vibe at that place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I was looking at houses to move,
that's actually why part of why I chose that house.
I walked in a couple other ones and was like,
h I don't like it. I walked in that one
and I felt calm, And that was the first time
I'd walked into a house and felt calm in a
long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was I never had any issues there, and
even to this day, I kind of still miss it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish we could have picked it up and
moved it to where we're at now.
Speaker 3: Speaking of where we're at now, the story does it
end here. It'll for anyone that's paid attention to the show.
I've talked about this before, but it's better, I think,
to hear it from not just myself, because even though
you're my wife, I still thin could give some bit
of credibility to the whole thing, because I'm not the
only lunatic that's seen.
Speaker 2: It all right, Yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 3: Basically what happened once we moved in.
Speaker 2: Here, So we only had three of our kids at
that point, and so they were all upstairs. We didn't
have any bedrooms or anything downstairs, so the girls shared
a room. They had bunk beds, and our youngest daughter
was stoked, like so excited.
Speaker 3: She was not even two years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was little. And one night, you know, the
people that lived here prior were older people, and they
still had the pull down blinds that you got to
like pull on at a right angle to get it
to stay down, and you pull it at a different
angle and it can like shoot back up profest. And
we hadn't changed those out just because they did block
really good amount of light. And we were laying there
one night and uh, I don't even remember what time
it was.
Speaker 3: I mean it was probably about ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think we were asleep.
Speaker 3: We weren't. We actually just laid down finally fell asleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were laying there and that blind shot up,
and of course, you know, we jumped because they're not quiet.
When they shoot up like that, they kind of like
bud up against the window frame.
Speaker 3: Kind of scares out of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little bit. So of course we were like,
oh ha ha ha something, you know, messed with them,
just trying of joking. And then the next thing we know,
we hear mine in a very low, deep male voice
come from the baby monitor and we were both looked
at each other as said, uh what, And of course
we went and grabbed our daughter immediately. That was, you know,
a very interesting, strange thing to occur. And then I
was giving her a bath, I think it would either
the next day or maybe two days later, and I
noticed she had scratches on her back in a pattern
of three from you know, at the top of her
shoulder down toward the middle of her back.
Speaker 3: We took everyone's hand, and the only person that could
have done that because of the spacing, would have been me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was big, and you know, our other children
at the time were only eight, nine, eight and ten something.
Speaker 3: Like that, not even ten inches. There had been nine
and nine and seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean they were young, so they didn't
have huge hands, you know, and we tried, okay, maybe
the cat did it. Well, clearly, a cat's paul is
way smaller than a hand.
Speaker 3: And for reference, the cat didn't have claws. He had
been to Claude when I got him, like I got
every make main society at the time, and he had
no claws.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the other cat that we had, we didn't even
have her, Nala. Yeah we had Nala.
Speaker 3: Did we ever brought in at that time?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I remember Nala as the cat. I haven't I met you, No.
Speaker 3: I know that, but I thought that Okay, yeah, they
would have been brought back in here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they came from your friend's house at the same time.
Speaker 3: We had our cat staying with a friend while we
were removing because it took several months to get moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a nightmare.
Speaker 3: That is the worst part of the whole story is
having to live in a camper trailer in your parents'
driveway for like three months.
Speaker 2: With three kids and two dogs. Not one dog was
not small. It was a boxer. So but you know,
even Nala, Nala never really went into the bedrooms, but
we even held her pall up and it was too small.
I mean, the spacing between them would have been you know,
like you had your fingers spread wide open.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very wide. I have huge hands, I'm
a large person, and the space scene between the fingers
has to have been several inches, so I think there's
almost like a six inch space from the one to
the other.
Speaker 2: That end one. Yeah, it was big. And of course
you know what how why where?
Speaker 3: The number three is always significant when you hear things
like this too, because when you look into paranormal activity stuff,
when people talk about demonic stuff and people say they
get scratched, it always seems to be in threes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And you know, our older daughter wasn't having
any issues. She wasn't hearing anything, she wasn't seeing anything.
So it's almost like, you know, she had exited that
age where they're susceptible to it.
Speaker 3: And our daughter is that aide where the activity was
starting for you originally with Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, minus you know the levitating adultest one was younger
for that, but yeah, that's seeing things and mentioning them
and things like that. It was rough with the same age,
you know. Yeah, after that, you kind of did your
little whatever's here needs to leave kind of thing around
the house.
Speaker 3: And I'd threatened it and taunted it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, it wasn't very professional per se. But
you know, she's left in our room because we were
a paranoid, you know, and the people are like, oh
my gosh, you left your other daughter in there. She
wasn't having any issues, Like, she wasn't experiencing anything. There
was nothing happening for her, so obviously had anything happen
with her, we would have like, okay, you can come
lumber party in our room too.
Speaker 3: But here's the other thing. It was, we had three
kids that are all right beside each.
Speaker 2: Other nother all of our rooms like basically touched.
Speaker 3: None of the other ones ever said anything. They were
never afraid, they never had any feelings, and for the
most part, I've never once had a weird feeling except
for that one time out than her painting. Before painting, yeah,
and the dog was growling and hit a creaky board
in the living room, steering at nothing but growling constantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh, mister pop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, rest in peace, mister poop.
Speaker 2: You know. So she slept in our room basically for
the next several years.
Speaker 3: Then, well it was up until Declan had been born.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she still I just slept in there
a little bit. I mean, shoot, she's stuck them in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he's three.
Speaker 3: He sleeps in the room now too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Which we'll get to that here in a minute. Because
it seems to just.
Speaker 2: Keep Yeah, it never stops, never stops.
Speaker 3: So basically, after I went through the house and I
threatened this thing traveled that it didn't need to be here,
it had to go away. It's not welcome. And then
I used specific religious vibe things and sayings to it,
and I took whatever whatever means I thought I could.
I thought again, because I hadn't experienced anything, I hadn't
noticed anything, I thought maybe we were past that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think we're ever gonna get past that. Like,
you know, I don't even remember. I probably been about
a year ago. You know, we have our tooth incident.
Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a minute. There is a
lot more that happened right after this. Her imaginary friend,
Oh Chloe, Okay, So you're looking at me like I'm crazy, Like, well.
Speaker 2: My brain, mom, brain. Yeah. So she started. You know,
she was an quote unquote only child in the sense
of close to her age. Her siblings were older. They
would leave every other weekend and go to their dad's house.
So she learned to play alone because she had to.
But then we started noticing that she was playing alone
but acting like somebody was there with her, and talking
like she's talking to somebody, and making us leave a
spot open on the couch, and making us put a
spot at the table, and like all of these things,
which at first it's like, oh, Okay, she has an
imaginary friend whatever, And I.
Speaker 3: Mentally creeped out because they creeped me out in general.
Speaker 2: And I remember having an imaginary friend, but.
Speaker 3: What if it wasn't an imaginary.
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing. I remember, you know, the house
when we were little, but also we had a little
boy who lived under our stairs, so you know, and
my sisters. I have three sisters, so they all kind
of know about that one. He would play tricks and
do silly stuff.
Speaker 3: But you literally just said in the beginning that you
don't believe in that.
Speaker 2: I don't because I still in my mind to convince
myself it had to have been one of my sisters. Now,
the little boy, like I remember, we used to run
down this stairs to try not to get touched because
like you know that eerie, oh my gosh, somebody kind
of grabbed my foot feeling when you're running down in
set of open stairs. That that was that like, that
was that feely. But he would like dump milk and
then we would get in trouble. But we didn't do it.
So like in my mind, I'm still saying my little
sister did it because she was a little sneaky thing
and to get everybody in trouble. Yeah, so but you know,
so that was my imaginary friend that me and my
sisters still to this day or like it was not
an imaginary He wore a baseball cap and blue jeans
and a T shirt and he lived underneath the stairs.
Speaker 3: Where did our daughter's imaginary friend live?
Speaker 2: Which time under our son's bed well or under the house.
First it was yeah, first it was under her floor.
Speaker 3: It was under her floor. And then the joke was
because I made reference.
Speaker 2: Yeah after that she lived underneath his bed could see
the big chicken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I made a joke about it, because at
the time we were just thinking it's an imaginary right, yeah,
and he was creeped out by it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean he's creeped out by a lot
of things, most everything. God bless a soul.
Speaker 3: But uh no, he uh yeah, we've said that the
the maginary friend lives under his bed and she.
Speaker 2: Ran with it. Yeah, I mean, because you know, everybody giggles,
bubby scared.
Speaker 3: The original thing was when we asked where she's from,
she said she lived under the.
Speaker 2: Floor, right yeah, and you know the way our house
obviously is, which obviously you know but they don't. We
have a basement on half of the house and then
a cross base where the bedrooms are on the other half.
Yat with the bedrooms and bathroom and stuff like that
are so yeah, I've been You're like, oh, well, you know,
just trying to get a feel for where this friend
came from. You know, well, where does she live at?
Under my floor? Oh? Oh, okay, what's her name? Chloe?
And she was obsessed with Louis at the time, still
is really but I'm like, oh, the Dalmatian, it's not Yeah,
that's where.
Speaker 3: She got that name. Fro him big. We left it
alone for a while, and then for some reason she
kept talking about it again, and I decided to ask
her what is Chloe? Like, what's Chloe look like? Who
is she? What is she look like?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Oh, she's a ghost. Well she said she's purple.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so she told me she's a ghost. Tells
you she's purple.
Speaker 3: Oh no, she said to me she was a ghost.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, And why is she purple?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Dad, she said she's purple. I said, why is
she purple? She's like, because she's a ghost. Yeah, Like,
what do you mean, She's like, uh, she's dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're like, uh, hang on, you said she
And then you had her draw it, like what does
Chloe look like? And it was a creepy I wish
we still had a purple figure with funky eyes and yeah,
and then you asked, You told you didn't ask. You
told her that she is to tell Chloe she is
no longer welcome here and she needs to leave, right,
you know. And at that time we also had noticed
in the top corner of her bedroom there would be
water droplets, not like droplets that are dripping, because like
her bed was never wet the light underneath her bed
was never wet or underneath that spot was never wet.
They just were there, and we kind of said, oh,
it's condensation, because you know, maybe the wind's coming from
that way or whatever. And that room is always the
cold dist room in the house.
Speaker 3: We've had someone go up into the attic and look
and it's completely bone dry in that corner. Yeah, it
could be.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, crap, maybe the roof's leaking and there's
a warranty on the metal roof, so we need to
see if it's leaking. And they're like, uh, nothing leaking
in here. Yeah, So you know, and the fact that
it didn't drip, but we could wipe it off with
a rag, it's still strange. And we bought covers for
the vents to make sure it wasn't a condensation thing.
We put the bed over the vents, like, and it
still appears.
Speaker 3: M that's not all the time. It's not just always
holding water dripping, but doesn't really drip. It literally only
does it every once in a couple of months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, at first we noticed it the
first time ever in the wintertime, which is where that
condensation thought came from. But then we've noticed it in
every season since then, and.
Speaker 3: There's no explanation as to what it's from.
Speaker 2: Or why it doesn't drip like normal water.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, during this whole time, when this was going on,
and she would come into our room or she would
be staying in our room, she would tell us she
had bad dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was something I even mentioned to you,
I think a couple of times, like, hey, if I
used to do this all the time, like, you know,
the oldest always said she had bad dreams. She had
bad dreams. Even the nights that she didn't wake up
screaming run into my room, she had bad dreams, right,
So you know, we kind of thought it was strange
that these dreams were happening to her too, But obviously
everybody has bad dreams, right, you know, the way our
brain unfortunately functions. But this became a very very regular thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's always wanting to be in our room.
Our youngest, our son had been born just about nine
months after we moved in. We moved into a smaller.
Speaker 2: House, thinking we were done having kids.
Speaker 3: And as we're moving in, you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think we were completely moved in
yet I think you guys were out in the backyard
and loading stuff and I had gone to the grocery
store and was like, hmm, I really want this drink.
Oh crap, and that's how it went. But yeah, so, yeah,
he was just born, you know, right after we moved in,
and we ended up putting a pack and play in
the bedroom, not for the baby, but for the toddler
because she still would not sleep in her room.
Speaker 3: Right, And she started to after the whole Chloe incident.
She didn't talk about Chloe anymore, but she started to
talk about something else and I forget what it was,
but I told her to stop talking to things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was telling the other two kids about
it too, and they mentioned it. That's weird why she ain't creepy, right, I.
Speaker 3: Don't even remember what. I just told her, like, you
need to stop talking about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't get at these things, don't.
Speaker 2: It was something in the car, like we were in
the car and she mentioned we were going to Walmart
and she mentioned it and we were kind of like what,
And then she mentioned it again here at the house
and you were like, uh no, Like we told you, Chloe,
you had to leave you nobody else is coming here either.
Speaker 3: Where did she tell us Chloe went do you remember
the other side?
Speaker 2: Or she went on or something like.
Speaker 3: That, she's on the other side.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I say it was something really stranged.
Speaker 3: We were like, h was like the other side a lot,
She's like the world. Yeah, I'm We're like, yeah, she
went to the other side.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So and you know, obviously that.
Speaker 3: Three year old shouldn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they like young kids, don't it's.
Speaker 3: A very stand that very weird to say certain things
like that, and for anyone listening, like, oh, she's really young.
You don't know our daughter she is so stink and smart.
And we're not just saying because we're the parents, but
like literally.
Speaker 2: I mean it's had her parent teacher conference and they
were like, yeah, she's at the top, Like she is
so smart.
Speaker 3: So she's always been able to talk. Yeah she was
a very young age. Yeah, full sentences, yes, or she
was two years old, she could have full conversation with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that is why I thought it was weird when
she was having these conversations with things that aren't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't exist to us at least.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: We thought we were done with all of that, I
was I started doing this show. So everyone says, ooh,
because of what I do. I bring in these.
Speaker 2: Vibes and you open doors, and but this.
Speaker 3: All was going on prior to me ever doing this. Yes,
I've been doing this for a little over two years,
and the weird stuff had been going on prior to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been here for four years.
Speaker 1: So and.
Speaker 3: Started doing this. She started having the bad dreams when
she was in school. She was going to preschool at three.
She loved school, still loves school, but do you remember
that little bit of a phase that winter that she
didn't like going She was crying a lot. They even
asked her for there's many Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: There was something happening at home that they should be
aware of or like, what's going on? And I mean,
you know, we kind of tried to push it off
as she's just going through an emotional three year old
toddler stage because you know, they say the terrible twos
treacherous threes. But this was excessive. I mean, she would
just have outbursts to the point where she was un consolable,
and there was no explanation as to why, at least
not that we could immediately think of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. When I started doing this show, someone
had sent that warning to me. And there's some random
person on a Facebook comment that I don't know, but
they claim when you they worried about me and my family.
And I said, what do you mean? And they said, well,
when you start looking into things, things start looking back.
And I didn't take any believable credibility or anything about that,
because we.
Speaker 2: Literally laughed about it, like when you came upstairs and
you were telling me, because you know, you used to
record in the garage and then in the basement all
that stuff. You told me about it, and I was like,
oh my gosh, Like, how ridiculous. They're trying to scare you.
Speaker 3: Noah, it didn't work.
Speaker 2: Here we are two years later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like but they tend to agree though, no, I
absolutely do. Yeah, Like my perspective has changed a lot,
because when I started doing the show, I didn't imagine
here I am one hundred and fifty something episodes into
it already, that this would be where it's even at today.
But not even that. But like, my whole believable side
is whatever. Like I had my own opinions. I'm very skeptical,
but I'm a lot more open to things now than
I ever have been, and I don't know how to
go about it. And like I said, you don't want
to believe No.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes it real. I'm not saying that they
don't exist, but I refuse to say yes.
Speaker 3: You don't want to give it power. Yeah, we've had
this conversation.
Speaker 2: I have a lot.
Speaker 3: So after the whole incident went by, I kind of
put this show on the back burner for a little bits.
That's when I was doing my six Months, wasn't it. Well.
I'd stopped recording in March and I didn't start back
up till July. Yeah, so about four months. But I
was doing the other show, but I had so many
of these episodes banked. I didn't do the interviews, but
I still was releasing stuff up until the end of April.
So there was like a three month gap of me
not doing stuff. Everything seemed to be okay, No, it.
Speaker 2: Was normal, like they didn't her dreams were better.
Speaker 3: So I was just going to be done because I
felt like maybe this was my fault, and as a parent,
you don't want to do that type of stuff. But
then for some reason, the show had started gaining a
lot of traction, and people started messing me when you're
going to release new stuff, new stuff? Someone wanted to
come on the show. I had people reaching out to me,
so I said, all right, well I'll start it back
up and we'll see what happens. And for several months
everything was fine, there were no issues, and then our
oldest decided to bring people over last about a year
ago now and what do they what do they decide
to do?
Speaker 2: Well, so we were upstairs again. Our oldest kids rooms
are in the basement, you know, like he said, We
did move into a smaller house and then found out
we were having another kid, so had to add some
bedrooms and one of them so my son had, you know,
nobody here, so he wanted to hang out with his
sister and her friends. So he decided to help. And
they come up and like, do you have any candles?
And I'm like, no, not really, but I have this one.
Like it doesn't smell good necessarily because I thought they
wanted candles to make the basement smell better. And anybody
who has teenagers will understand where my thought process came from.
There he need your stink. And we had four of
them downstairs. So I was like, yeah, here's the scandal,
like whatever, and you know, you said, I hope I'm
not doing anything stupid.
Speaker 3: The I be doing a friggin seance, was Mike exact word.
Speaker 2: Okay, well again, anything is stupid. And I'm like, oh no,
they wouldn't do that. And within two minutes you're here screeching.
I mean, these girls hit. I'm having sure my son
wasn't included in that high pitch wheel. I'm sure he
was high pitch screams, and then you know, people running
up the stairs and they didn't, but yeah, he caught.
I know, he came upstairs and they're like, oh my god,
we had this. And Brandon goes downstairs and and like
what are you doing? And they're like, well, you're making
a Oigi board and we had these pencils and the
candles and da da da da, and they move and
then Brandon of course lit into them about how stupid
that was, and you know the dangers of doing a
Oiji board and what it could open and things like that,
and of course that's geared them. Those bless those two
girls hearts. They've never been back one. So you know, afterwards,
They're like, oh, no, no, no, no, we blew on it. Yeah,
that's actually what happened. We blew the pencils.
Speaker 3: It didn't actually move. And I told them it didn't
matter whether you were you blow it or not, Like
you're still doing something you shouldn't have been doing, and
you're going to open a doorway and these things will
follow you for the rest of your life. So you're
going to be haunted forever by these demons that you're
bringing over to this side.
Speaker 2: And they said, yeah, we ain't never come back af
good day, good at bout.
Speaker 3: I said, that's fine, you take them to your house. Yeah,
I don't want them here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was jokingly. We were like we should
have went and messed with the breaker and like really
got them.
Speaker 3: But after that happened, it was probably another month or
so later. We're getting around November, and then stuff started
to happen again. And it was not stuff that I
thought was anything house related at first, because you remember
when we saw the thing out in the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and before that we were convinced that there
was like flying saucers or something and end up being starlink.
Speaker 3: No, that was when you were moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well do something out back. Yeah. And then
the light that randomly floated.
Speaker 3: Out in the out past, yeah, the orange light. And
I've criticized people on this show, not like a guest,
but I've made references to people I don't understand, like
we all have phones. Everybody walks around with a phone
that has a camera on it in their pocket.
Speaker 2: Are we not taking a picture? You say, you see it,
take a picture?
Speaker 3: What the hell would we do? We stood out there,
got there and stared and watched it. Never once thought
about recording. We watched it.
Speaker 2: It was almost like and I even actually joked about this,
when you know, we talked, well, I talked about it
with one of my sisters. I was like, hey, what's
almost like we were too engaged in it to even
think about anything other than what the frick is that thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because again my first thought process is when I
see things, I got to document it. And I never
or I yelled for you guys to come outside, and
we did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all saw it, but then it was just gone.
I mean literally it was there. We're staring at it.
We're like trying to figure out where that could be, like,
what could have possibly made it happen, and then it
was gone. It looked like slowly moved up and then finished.
Speaker 3: It looked like a flare, but flares wouldn't have went
up like it was hovering in the same way.
Speaker 2: You go up first and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it would have been in the same spot
for a while. We watched it for like five to
ten minutes, and then it moved over and up just
a little bit and then just disappeared. No, it's gone.
So I thought it was a flare, if for intense
purposes or whatever. I was always going to say it's
just a flare, because that's me being skeptical about anything else.
But I don't really think it was a flare. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and we even asked, you know, your parents, who
don't live too far from here, have you seen anything
like straight and there of course no.
Speaker 3: Well that started off some of the weirdness because a
couple weeks later, our youngest, all of a sudden, who
has slept in his own room the entire basically his
whole life of two and a half years, that is
life he stayed in his room. He starts screaming and
wants to come in our room because of what ghosts.
And if anyone knows this child, he is a complete
opposite of our daughter. She could talk on complete sentences.
He barely spoke. He's just learning to speak now at
three years old. And of all words, for him to
say ghost is a very very weird one because we
don't watch anything with ghosts with him. He doesn't watch
anything like that, Like he was a huge like I
don't know, So for me, it's very.
Speaker 2: He's very easily like scared by even like shows that
are sounding like they might be scary, even like the
cartoons for kids like, so we never watched that kind
of stuff around him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for him to say ghost was just award.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then he comes in our room, lays down and
you know where, getting everybody set up back in, going
back to sleep, and he patting on you dunny, daddy
ghost daddy ghosts, and we're like what We're roll over
and he's planning and looking at the ceiling.
Speaker 3: We're like, he asked me, like what is he looking at?
Like I'm not looking. I was still laying the other way.
I didn't want to look. I didn't want to.
Speaker 2: See it well, And so I was like, oh, it
must be the shadow from the fan because you know,
gotta have a fan, and the fan had the light,
and uh, I covered that, and he was still ghosts,
day ghosts, and so of course we're like, oh my gosh.
And then he asked for you to go get him
milk and you'd left the room.
Speaker 3: And this was a couple hours later.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so everybody did eventually somewhat go to sleep.
I say somewhat because this child never sleeps. He goes
and gets milk. I said, day ghost gone ghost gombe daddy.
Now mind you the like you know, light in the
fan that I had tried to.
Speaker 3: Cover still there.
Speaker 2: Everything was still there, like everything was the same, nothing changed.
Speaker 3: Oh, day ghost comb Now I did happen to notice
something now and I made you do it, like move it.
But what was on the wall, the exterior wall, the
exterior wall of the house was a an old.
Speaker 2: Mirror that I had gotten from my grandparents and it
had only been there for a couple of days prior
to his ghost.
Speaker 3: And then I started to correlate things like please move
that mirror.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you said to me about like you know,
they say exterior while it's having mirrors on them, could
you know, be like a portal of some sort or something.
Speaker 3: For anyone listening. You're gonna do the idea. Now that
I am the crazy dad, I am the person that
is very superstitious these days. Back in the old days,
I wouldn't think of anything like this because I didn't
believe in any of this stuff. But the last seventeen
years I changed my perspectives a lot because of life. Yeah,
seeing things that shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Exist, life changing somehow.
Speaker 3: But about a week or so after this started happening,
I got home from work and you were at work
before anyone had gotten home, and I noticed our dog
was chewing on something. So I'm trying to see what
she's eating, and she drops a tooth. So I'm like,
why is she losing peace? I started looking at her mouth.
I don't see any spots where she's missing a twos.
I checked the other dog. I don't see any spots
for she would have been missing it till she was
missing teeth. But it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't. It didn't
look like a dog. Looks like a kid too, So
I was like, did one of the kids lose a tooth?
And like the tooth fairy quote, Unbo didn't take it.
Speaker 2: Right and yeah, and you know, obviously you saved it
until I got home. Yeah, and you were showing me.
But uh, you know the first thing I did, because
I'm a parent, and you know, those first lost teeth,
you got to like savor that for a while. But
those were still there, Like the ones that I personally
had saved from our other children, those are still exactly aware.
And you know there's still four of them, two from
each of them. They're still there. So I was like, well,
that's really monky. And you left it on the counter
and I was like, uh, how about not? And I
threw it in the trash because I'm like, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then two days later, I have video. I
don't delete things on my phone, which she's also think
is strange.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not that I think it's strange because I
don't delete a lot of things, but like when it's
a video or a picture of the exact same thing
fifteen times in a row, you could probably just save one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, But like I take photos and
recordings and I don't delete stuff. So I have all
this documented. This is my own craziness way of going
about things. But I recorded him, our youngest on the couch.
He'd come running out from the back room area and
was saying, daddy, ghost ghosts. He's pointing ghost out, Hey,
ghost out. And you could tell by watching him and
his mannerisms.
Speaker 2: And do you sent me this video? I went home,
I don't think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, out with friends. Yeah, all the weird stuff happens
when I'm here by myself.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. So everything happened with right.
Speaker 3: And he's freaking out because there is a ghost and he.
Speaker 2: Crawl up on a couch in that video with you
and it's like cut it up behind you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because of something. Yeah, it scared him from that
back area. So I didn't see anything, nothing strange, And
I think it was honestly. A few days before this
happened is when we were coming home from the schools
like winter carnival, and.
Speaker 2: We saw it, Oh yeah, loading outside off front.
Speaker 3: Another set of weird lights.
Speaker 2: Well, and we tried to get a picture of video
and nothing would show up.
Speaker 3: Well, you I gave you my phone. I remember this time.
I gave you the phone to record it. You hit
record and then you hit recording game. So we hit
a bump and then you didn't really record. Then you
start recording again, and by the time and we started
recording again, it fades out and once we got in
the driveway, it's gone gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, like, you know, we tried, but
it was like we couldn't get it. No matter what
we did, we couldn't get it.
Speaker 3: Like we saw that the four way stop sign, and
I'm like, I'm not It was only like a couple
weeks prior that. I was like, we didn't record the
last time we saw something weird, so I'm definitely gonna
record it now. And by the time we got to
actually recorded it, is it fun? What the hell was that?
No idea? Is that related to any of the stuff.
Who knows. But right after the whole ghost incident, I
honestly think it was the very next day because that
happened on a Friday. The next day would have been Saturday,
because that Sunday we had Christmas with your.
Speaker 2: Family, yep, and we were telling him about it.
Speaker 3: Well, that was the day that I had woken up.
I'd had that dream where these little pink you used
to have it pisses.
Speaker 2: Me off, I referenced earlier. Alien not nufucting. You're not
even in your.
Speaker 3: Dreams we are. I don't find it amusing. I'm glad
you do. My son is screaming help, he's screaming for daddy.
Daddy in these pink, little f nless she looking probably
three foot tall, humanoid looking figures are taking him away,
and he's screamed for me. And I'm kicking, I'm punching,
and I'm going after all these things to try and
get to my son. And one of them comes up
to me and touches my nostril. And as she's over
here laughing for anyone listening, like she's just like losing
it because she thinks this is just hilarious.
Speaker 2: I think the next part is the funny part.
Speaker 3: It isn't funny like you're laughing, because it's a nervous laugh.
Speaker 2: But do you look like you know me?
Speaker 3: And I wake up instantly and he's not next to us.
He'd was sleeping in her bed. He'd crawled under the
covers and went to the foot of the bed. Has
that ever happened before or after? But he's went under
the cover, not under the covers. Yeah, No, he's never
until just recently started moving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's picky about blankets, so he would never
go under our covers anyways.
Speaker 3: Right, so I had to get him out from under
the coverage he's down by her feet and bring him
up between us, and somehow I fell back to sleep.
And then the next morning, when I'd gotten up and
went to the bathroom, I had to look in the
mirror and what was on the nostril blood? Why is
that funny to you? I don't know, like, and you're
still laughing about this? And I told her about the dream.
Speaker 2: Now, mind you, I'm not the only one who laughed
like my family about this whole family, and my whole
family is like, you're a psycho.
Speaker 3: And I said, maybe it wasn't a dream, and you're
all a bunch of freaking idiots.
Speaker 2: Well maybe, but maybe if I didn't laugh about it, it
won't be real. That's my maca.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're also the person that's shut my arm and
a door before and you laugh, he said, you close
my hand in a window and laugh like this is her,
This is my.
Speaker 2: Making with them. He was choking at dinner the back door.
I used to be in MS for I had my
license for twelve years, did in MS and fire, and
I cackling. He's literally across the table noticeably choking, Like
I mean, it was very clear he was choking, and
I couldn't help a laugh at him. So it's a
very nervous coping habit.
Speaker 3: Anytime I get hurt or she does something, or if
I'm apparently dying, I guess I'm screwed because the person
that's been trained to save people is not going to
save because she's just going to laugh.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, people that are listening, I'll save you, but
for him, I'm just gonna laugh.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they had a great laugh at my bloody nostril.
Speaker 2: But probing of aliens up your nose.
Speaker 3: Explain to me, though, how that happen? Why was I
dreaming all of that?
Speaker 2: This is how I have explained it to you and
how I will convince myself for the rest of my life.
In your dream, they're poking you in the nose. So
you used your own finger and poked yourself in the nose, and.
Speaker 3: It's totally the inside of My nose wasn't bloody.
Speaker 2: No, it's just the outside. But in my brain that's
how we're going to process.
Speaker 3: The crusty blood was on the outside of my nose,
on the rim of my nose, inside my nose, there
was no blood again.
Speaker 2: And there was that blood on your pillow or anything.
So like again, I have to convince myself.
Speaker 3: So we go on vacation, we come back, and I
didn't even tell you this for a couple of days
because I didn't want to freak out that and I
was already kind of still mad at you over the
whole laughing at my dreams. But where we keep all
of our drinks.
Speaker 2: At in the fridge in the garage.
Speaker 3: So I woke up in the middle night and my
throat fell dry, and I went out to the garage
and as I'm coming back.
Speaker 2: In, I was this your little shadow pigure.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, spoiler alert, yeah, sorry, And I see about
a fifteen inch little shadow running down the hallway and
ran right into our daughter's room where it's always the
creepy room. And I just haul ass into her bedroom
and I see nothing. She's sound asleep. This is one
of the weird times that she was actually sleeping in
her room. And be honest, she's knock on wood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've gotten to a good spot.
Speaker 3: She's been staying in her room without any issues, and
she doesn't even want lights on. She's the only kid
in our house. Kid shoot or okay, you especially want
a light on. I live with a bunch of chickens
and my daughter is the only one that is not
afraid of the dark.
Speaker 2: Listen, if any of you have ever watched the movie
Tooth Fairy, you understand me. Tooth Fairy Darkness Falls is
about a tooth fairy darkness false. Okay, listen, it's scary.
Speaker 3: But anyways, I don't get to watch a lot of
scary movies because if that's the movie that scares the
crap out of her, you know I'm a huge horror fan.
I don't get to our first date.
Speaker 2: You made me watch it and I hit basically under
the blankets eighty percent of that or behind you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyways, I see this shadow, I run in there,
I don't find it. I don't say anything to you
for a couple of days, and then there's really not
much going on. And then sometime in February, the oldest
son starts yelling at the dog because it's eating something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know she's notorious for finding anything and
chewing on so.
Speaker 3: He gets her mouth open and a tooth falls out,
and I go pick up the tooth and I'm like, oh,
there's that tooth again. And then you're just literally sitting
in the chair and I could see the color of
your face completely like disappear, which for anyone that has
ever seen you, you're not very colorful. You're you're you're
pretty pasty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so well, I remember I felt immediately nauseous,
like you were like, oh, look there's that tooth again.
What like immediately wanted to throw up. And I said, no,
I threw that tooth away, and you were like, oh,
maybe you thought you didn't you just you did it Like, no,
I threw the tooth away. I took the trash out,
like I know that toothpoint in the trash.
Speaker 3: And I have photos of this tooth from when we
found it in December and into February, and if you
look at the photos, it is the same exact tooth
because there's a little crack broke part to it and
it's identical.
Speaker 2: Literally, yeah, and it is. There's no way that it's
not an animal tooth. Like we've even showed it to
other people and they're like, yeah, that's definitely like an
insider tooth they did a small child, small tooth.
Speaker 3: Where's these teeth or where's this tooth coming? Or how
did it return? And this is where my mind starts wandering,
because I was talking to my friend, which people listen
on here knows ed. He said that there's probably a.
Speaker 2: Berry call somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dog keeps fine. It's like it's the same tooth.
So I went outside and I dug around looking for
where the dog goes to see if I could find anything.
And I don't see anything out there. But I was like,
is there a dead baby, like a dead little kid
somewhere on this property? And that's why we keep experiencing
this stuff, And that would explain why I'm seeing small
little shadows and why she's talking about this little thing,
and why I'm seeing small little things trying to take
our kids, Like is there something out here like that?
But then we started to have other things happening that
we've had happened that I've never paid attention to until recently.
But where the hells all of our silverware go?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I joked, I don't think it's a couple of
months ago, I joked that I've never had like a
full set of silverware since we've lived here. Like when
we first moved here, I bought like a buttload and
you know, it's it's the forks, the spoon, it's that,
and everybody ahaha, everybody was just silverware. No, like it's
just gone. It's not in the kidd's rooms. It's not
it's it's gone.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I pulled open the
or and there's like an abundance back and.
Speaker 2: It's all there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard all they come back from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like as soon as we mentioned that it's gone,
that we noticed that we are really low on silverware,
and we talked about going and buying more. It's back.
Just boom, it's back.
Speaker 3: So I took the tooth and I went down the
road and I chucked it over into the field and
I said that if it comes back again, probably just
gonna burn the house down. We're not really going to
do that insurance company. So if it happens, it was
I'm joking, but like, I don't know what to do.
And I went through the house multiple times. I've tried
to bless the house. I've said religious stuff, I've done
all sorts of things and I don't know what we
can possibly do. We've had people supposed to come pray
for the plaaff or whatever. I don't know anything that
could help. But everything was fine for a while until
about June. Someone had actually asked me on another show,
is there been anything going on in the house. Reasoningly,
I said no, Honestly. I was like, since I got
rid of that too, I said, we haven't had any
sort of issues. Very next day, I'm down in the
basement recording.
Speaker 2: You jinxed it. That's what happened. He talked about how
it was going great.
Speaker 3: You asked me to go out and put the chickens up.
How long does that take it to do?
Speaker 2: Like maybe a five minute maybe.
Speaker 3: I come back down into the basement and I noticed
that there is a fly sitting dead on my desk.
I'm like, I didn't think a whole lot about it,
Like what's weird? And I just started editing again. I
look over, there's another one, and I just started to
look around all the way around my desk. I have
a wrap around desk. There were literally twenty seven dead flies,
dead green metallic flights on my desk. They weren't on
the floor. They weren't anywhere else.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of stuff down there, like you know,
we have my tables and desks and stuff over across
you have boxes. There's no flies on any of that.
Speaker 3: Now, someone could say like, oh, there's just flies or whatever.
But I was just down there and I didn't notice them,
but they were literally right where my hands were, and
I would have noticed all those slides. Once I started
seeing all of them, I kind of got weirded out
because where the hell they come from? And I collected
them all. I put them in a cuff for the lid,
and I put them out in the garage, and I
am very disappointed to let everyone know that they're now.
Speaker 2: Okay, you did not take them to the garage. You said,
I'm gonna put these in the garage, and y'all left
them on the kitchen counter in the tubbleware container. And
I said, this is disgusting and not going to be
on my counter. And I gave you two days and
then I threw it away.
Speaker 3: So my flies that I was collecting for evidence purposes,
she threw away.
Speaker 2: Did could you let them on my counter?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been asked by someone to go out in
the fields and find the tooth so I can send
it to them for DNA analysis, And they told me
to take the dog because the dog's already found it twice.
It's like, I'm not going out into a cornfield looking
for a tooth.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't even know that I would call it
a cornfield because it's more like a nature reserve. Kin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what you would consider. It's just
overrun area, like it's not. It doesn't get tilled up,
so yeah, it might still be out there, but I
don't know I'm going to find it. I'm not trying
to bring it back exactly. So I don't know of
anything weird happening since that point except for now that
I'm out here in this barn, and then we've had
weird stuff like your cameras noticed nourity cameras in the
barn and it always detect movement. Well, since it's been
out here, I hadn't detected anything in that one day
that we weren't actually home. It's detected in the records.
There is a shadow the moves, which there's curtains in here,
so where did the shadow even come from? And this
shirt on the wall starts to move, but I want
to say the air conditioner kicked on and made everything
to start moving. But when I got home, the air
conditioner was on auto run like auto like it wasn't auto.
Speaker 2: Was just on like it's on constant run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not shutting off like it was just
always running. So why was it the thing not blowing
the whole time? And then all of a sudden, the
shadow moves and now starts moving, so it's like and
the thing starts moving in the direction of the shadow,
went like you see the shadow move, and then like
three or four seconds later.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, we didn't even notice the shirt on the wall.
Speaker 1: First.
Speaker 3: Yes, someone else had pointed that out.
Speaker 2: We noticed the one like behind the camera where you
could see the shadow start from, Like, we noticed that one,
but we didn't notice the shirt until somebody else said it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's that. And then now that I'm out here,
I hear random noises out in the corner. I heard
them yesterday. It was kind of creepy, but I just
was saying it. I was saying it was a deer probably,
or bunnies or you know whatever. I just heard the
corn wrestling, So yeah, I will come out here at
like eleven o'clock a night from doing interviews, and I
hear noises in the corners like man, I'm waiting for
dog man or whatever. I'm running out at me. And
then I'm I getting to a death battle because I'm
not running from and I'm running.
Speaker 2: To it and I am not coming to help you
dark out here. Yeah, so yeah, I'll be laughing.
Speaker 3: But that pretty much is the gist of yeah, you
were weird stuff and that Jerry that I had interviewed,
which was on previously, So for this Halloween special episode,
you've got to hear two different interviews. But the similarities
are kids are creepy, especially little girls. Little girls Yeah,
that have run ends with little things. We don't know
what they are, things that don't make any sense. So
I would say thanks for actually being involved.
Speaker 2: Hey, you're welcome.
Speaker 3: People might see her at some of the conventions and
stuff that I've been at, but she doesn't even listen
to my show.
Speaker 2: She's not I'm just here for support, you know. If
I'm there, make sure you still come say hi. I'll
say hi back. I'll probably be the one to talk
to you, not him.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, you're more outgoing than I am, yes, which
is funny that I do a show.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to say though, like, even though
you're obviously listening to this, please don't message me with
your creepy stories. Please don't message him. I've had somebody
do that and it really creeps me out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so leave my wife alone. I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've listened to my story. It's fine, but yeah,
keep messaging him.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to say, thanks for being supportive wife.
You are and come I here and letting the audience
hear something not just for me for once. Yeah, you'retion
to my craziness.
Speaker 2: I can't validate that.
Speaker 3: But on that note, we're gonna wrap this one up.
So I hope everyone enjoyed this extended Halloween episode. So
thanks to Jerry, thanks to Emily, and thanks for listening.
Speaker 5: And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys
enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a
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Speaker 3: Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule
for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies,
and the stories we share, the connections we make. Stay
curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on
this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking,
and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone, sas on
sounds in the headphones.
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