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of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with that.

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Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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that turned me.

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Speaker 1: Away the quickest.

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Speaker 3: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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looked at us. And one of the things I remember

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the most, where the eyes were going red. I see

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an orb of light. It is just circling these steps

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like it is waiting for me.

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Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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Speaker 3: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven

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foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's

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where I saw.

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Speaker 1: The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As

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soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I

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don't like death.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright.

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Tonight is a very special Halloween episode, So for anyone

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out there listening, have a Halloween to you. But we're

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going to be joined by two guests tonight, Jerry and Emily.

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Each one has their own separate experiences they want to

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talk about, so they're going to be split up into

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two different interviews. But the similarities between them I thought

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would make a very good episode because they are very

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similar in some of the circumstances that went on, and

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it is just overall a very creepy experience in general.

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enjoy what we're about to talk about, so sit back, relax,

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and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time

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to welcome my guest tonight, Jerry. Thanks for coming on

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here tonight and talking with me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 4: Yep, pleasure. We had little technical difficulties on my side

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because for some reason my stuff wasn't working, but I

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think I've got it figured out so hopefully last through

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this interview, let's hope. So I will blame it all

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on the things that we're about to talk about. It

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seems to be when I talk about specific topics beforehand,

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I've had electronic equipment issues so and apparently it's not

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just me. It's happened with other podcasters too, like some

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of their things just stop working. It's kind of an

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interesting little phenomena.

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Speaker 1: It's like they want attention, but when you give it

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to them, that's when they start fucking shut up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that does seem to be what I've noticed too.

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Or when you think that things are good and you

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say things are good, they come back the next day

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just to give you the middle finger, just to remind

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you they're still around. But would you like to let

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the audience know just a little bit about yourself before

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm My name is Jerry thirty nine, has

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turned thirty nine recently. Just average guy, go to work,

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have a family. But ever since I was a kid,

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weird stuff has happened, unexplainable things, seeing things, hearing things,

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witnessing things. And I guess it's what we're going to

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talk about tonight. Now.

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Speaker 4: Some of the things that you had mentioned to me

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hit very close to home, and that's what really got

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me on to talk with you, because for some reason,

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I have a soft spot for children. And I think

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it's just being a father, having a daughter, having sons.

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it bothers me just being like that protective parent figure.

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soft spot for kids like and if I always heard

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something messing the kids or kids being her or something

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to be kids being afraid, like I want to go

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beat the shit out of that ghost.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, I think it's because of the innocence man, right,

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you know, they don't know anybody, they're young, and as

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adults or parents, it's our job to protect them. M hm.

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why I try and be more of a soft spot,

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I guess for children. And I really I've had someone

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recently come up to me and, uh, they'd brought their nephew.

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talking about some of the stuff that he's experienced. And

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but I would really like to know, like some of

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the things that people have experienced, especially since like the

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young grade, and a lot of people might write off

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like children or whatever, kids, but then they make things up.

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And I think what they're telling they're too honest about it.

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The innocence you talked about, Like they're not making stuff up.

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dealing with and we're our minds just don't.

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Speaker 3: Accept it for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, like I before we started this, like I said, I,

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you know, kind of grew up watching conspiracy stuff, X

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files and aliens in Bigfoot and all this stuff. And

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in agreeance and all of several times asking, you know,

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telling me the same story. Yeah, we walked up a hill.

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I was holding somebody's hand, but nobody was there. And

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when they come up the hill to find me, I

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was being pushed on the swing and they I don't

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asked who it was. And I can't remember which side

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of the family the grandfather was on, or his name,

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but I had said his name and gave a description

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of what he looked like and he had been dead

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for ten years or more and h and that ever

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since then, you know, But back back on topic, my

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daughter had started started to uh talk to this invisible

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person or imaginary friend named Jack, and you know, at

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first we thought it was okay, you know, she's like

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three or four. This is what kids do. They have

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imaginary friends itself. But anything that we had to do

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there and she wasn't you. No, it wasn't an imaginary brand.

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demonic presence or anything, but what it had led up

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to leads me to believe that it was a demonic presidence.

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Speaker 3: Now, how old was your daughter.

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Speaker 1: At the time when she first started talking. I think

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maybe three. He has started talking about this, this imaginary

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friend or whatever named Jack, and so we had we

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had moved out of the one house we were renting

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and found a slightly bigger place to rent, and she

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just kept talking about this dude named Jack. You know,

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she had Macarnie and cheese. Jack had to have Macarnie cheese.

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I couldn't sit in a certain sea cause Jack with her,

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he'd get mad if I sat there. And so like

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the big climax of the story. You just go ahead

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and get to it. In between all that, it was,

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you know, okay, yeah, I can't see her because, like

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I said, you know, Jack's here. But when we moved

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to the new place, my wife had heard her in

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the room talking to somebody, and when she went in

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the room, nobody was in there, not even my daughter.

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couple of nights later she had do the creepy thing

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where kids come and stare at you while you're sleeping

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and they get right in your face. And so I

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woke up. She said, somebody's standing on my bed. I said, okay,

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we'll climb up in here with us, and we went

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back to sleep. I didn't think anything of it. And

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then for the next couple of nights it was somebody's

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walking up and down my stairs, somebody's standing in my bed,

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and she would constantly coming there and stare in my face,

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gove the shit out of me, and uh, kids are

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good for that, yeah, And it's so damn creepy when

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they do that. You just you draw back and go

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to hit because you don't know what the hell it is.

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Speaker 4: But there's There's been a few times where the our

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oldest son has come into the room. At some point

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was like, what are you doing? I can't sleep? I

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was like, how long have you been standing there?

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Speaker 4: He doesn't do it lately, he's kind of grown out

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of it. When he was younger, he was doing it

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at all those creek males, like how long have you

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been standing there just watching us sleep?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that. Just wake me up, please, don't. Don't.

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That's a good way to get hit, right, And I

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really don't want to hit you. You know, I love you,

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You're my child. I don't want to hurt you. That's

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not so. I think that this had gone on for

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a couple of nights before. She had come in and said,

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you know, somebody's on my bed, somebody's walking up and

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down my stairs. And the one night I had just

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woke up, I was in a dead sleep. I woke

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up and I heard her start to get up and

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come down like clockwork. And the way the house was

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set up, man, was you had the small hallway, there

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was a bathroom in between both rooms, and it was

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maybe six steps from her room to our bedroom doors,

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from door to door. Excuse me. So I heard her

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get up and start walking down the stairs. Woke her up.

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I sat up in or bed and I was waiting

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on her. And when she got to her her in

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the doorway, there was this loud slam, like something had

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been picked up and just slung across the room, and

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it scared the shit out of both of us. I

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started trying to fight the covers to get out of

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the bed, and she was running towards the art room.

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it looked like something had grabbed her by the pants

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and by the back of the shirt and slung her

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into our bed. And at this time, she was tiny,

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and she used to have to climb on the foot

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rest of the bed and then climb into the bed. Well,

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this time, I mean it slung her right into the bed,

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and it woke my wife up. It scared the hell

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out of all of us. And when I went in

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the room the next day, she had a keyboard and

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the keyboard was just busted all the ship, like somebody

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had just slammed the hell out of it, and it

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was propped up against the wall, but it was on

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the other end of the room. The keys for the

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keyboard where everywhere, buttons where everywhere. And I think after

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that I had called my dad and was like, Dad,

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you know, I got some more I need you to

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bless it so we can go through and bless the house.

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I think. I had brought some cas skulls I had

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found into the house. I was trying to make a

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wind chime out of them, and the activity just it

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ramped up. After that. I was kind of going through

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a I guess you could say, like a dark, dark

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spell or whatever. I was drawing the aphromt and just

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satanic shit and I listen and really dark music, and

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we had seen I went to go back to bed

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one night and we have two dogs, and I saw

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I thought I saw one of the dogs walk across

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the door. The TV was on, she was asleep. When

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I opened the door. The dog's not in there, I know,

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damn good and well, I saw something with fore legs.

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The shadow walk across the door from where you see

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the shadow come under the door from the TV light,

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and when I opened the door, there wasn't a dog

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and there both the dogs were my daughter's and my

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wife was chased through the house by something that looked

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like me, but it didn't have a face. We've seen

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blankets a white mess just float randomly through the house.

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I think I may have gotten off of what we

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were originally talking about.

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Speaker 3: But that's okay.

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Speaker 4: I was going to ask, when you're talking about with

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your daughter, did she ever describe what does.

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Speaker 3: Jack look like?

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Speaker 1: No? No, we never asked or anything. I think we

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did ask, but I don't think we were paying attention.

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My dad had come to stay with us for a while.

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He was going through a rough patch in his marriage,

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and he said he was woke up and there were

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two figures standing in front of them. One looked like

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a little girl with pig tails in kind of like

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a nineteen fifty stylid dress, and the other one was

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a really tall figure standing behind the little girl. And

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it scared my dad pretty bad, like he woke up

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and ran out of the house. And that that was

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around the time we had asked started asking what does

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you know? Who is Jack? What is he? Friendly? Is nice?

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But you know, again I don't remember if she had

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said anything or I just was brushing it off still

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and this belief, I guess, but I don't think she

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ever really described what he looked like. And again, if she,

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I'm sorry if she did, I wasn't paying attention.

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Speaker 4: I made the mistake of asking my daughter what it

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looked like. And uh, if anyone listening to the show,

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they'll they'll we'll find out more about that later.

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Speaker 3: But they.

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Speaker 4: Again, and any for anyone listening, like, just because a

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child was young, that doesn't mean what they're talking to

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and saying they're scene and dealing with is not true.

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those things. But sometimes kids do have imaginary friends, and

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it is just your imagination. And sometimes the imaginary friend

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is not really imaginary.

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Speaker 1: No, this one definitely was not. And and Jack had

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stayed around for a couple of years before it. You know,

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like I said, when we when we moved it, it

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really started ramping up. And when I watched her get

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slung into our bed from our doorway, Uh, I mean

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that kind of just lit a fire under my ass,

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and we just tried to clean the house. Uh again,

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it calmed down, but there was something always there. Do

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you oh go ahead, I'm sorry. Now.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that this thing actually like lifted her

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and threw her?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I literally watched her. It looked like somebody

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had grabbed her by the back of the shirt and

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the pants, and I mean slung her into our bed.

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And the bed was a pretty damn good distance away from.

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Speaker 3: The door, so there's no way she was just able

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to jump from there.

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Speaker 1: No, Like I said, she was tiny. She used to

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have to climb up on the end of the bed,

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the footboard, and uh then climb into the bed because

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we had a pretty tall queen size bed and bed

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frame and all that, and the matters sat up on

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the box springs. She she always struggled because of her

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size getting into the bed. But this night, no, she

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was thrown into the bed. There's no there's and I

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mean there's countless times where she would run into her

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room and climb on the bed, jump on it and

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play around like normal kids do. But this night in particular, now,

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she it was uh, it was intense and woke my

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wife up. It's scared to hell out of all of us.

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Speaker 3: How old is your daughter now?

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Speaker 1: He's eighteen?

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Speaker 3: She just turned this was this is a while ago.

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Speaker 1: This was a good while ago. Yeah, and we've had

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plenty of other man just insane, unbelievable encounters and experiences

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since that. I mean she has, my wife has. My

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wife used to not believe in any of this stuff

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until we got together, and then I kept telling her

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about it, and uh, she she believes in it fully

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now one hundred and ten percent.

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Speaker 3: With your daughter.

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Speaker 4: Whatever happened with Jack that she just kind of quit

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talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Or Yeah, after we had blessed the house, I guess

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you could say it had stopped. It didn't stop completely,

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but it had stopped a lot. And I don't think

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that she's had any kind of encounter with it since then.

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If she has, she hasn't said anything. But she goes

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on about her life normally. Now she's real big into

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church and her boyfriend have constant Bible studies, So I

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tend to believe that that's what's keeping it away from

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her at least, which is good. I'm a believer myself,

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but I still still have run ins.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes things are and I don't want to say places

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are haunted or people are haunted, but sometimes I feel

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like people are the reason that these things are there.

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They're not there for the place, they're there because of

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the person.

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Speaker 4: And if you didn't experiencing things your whole life, maybe

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it's something that attracts them to you. And I don't

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know what that could possibly be other than the fact

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that you're able to see them, or they know that

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you can see them, so maybe that interests them that

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you're able to channel into the thirst side or.

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Speaker 1: Somehow possibly this I mean, this goes back even to

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when my dad was a kid. He would tell me

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stoolies about my aunt who would they lived in this

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house and she slept up in the attic that was

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her room, but there was no windows. And when my

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grandma went up there because she heard her talking, said

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she went up there and her hair was blowing like

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there was a breeze, a real strong breeze, but there

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was no windows, and the lady that she was talking

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to was bleeding out of her neck and wearing a

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white gown. Or come to find out, the lady used

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to live in that house, but she had died while

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having throats circuits, and my aunt. We took her down

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here to the took him on the battlefield and she

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we didn't stay long. I mean, she she had like

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a strong connection with the other side, that kind of stuff,

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and I think maybe we had walked in there twenty

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minutes and she was like, I need to go, I'm

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not feeling well. And before that she was fine, joking around,

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having a good time, and then when we got to

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the battlefield, she just completely changed, shut down and just

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were not having But I don't want to say it's

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like a family curse or anything, but I kind of

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I guess I feel it it's like a family curse.

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Speaker 4: There are some cases that I've come across, and I'm

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not an avid researcher in the paranormal or any one topic,

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to be honest, but it is something to do with

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like your family. And I don't know if it's what

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it actually is. I can't say that, but like there's

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been people that I've spoken with that you'd mentioned your aunt,

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someone else's grandmother was this way, their ants were this way,

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then now they're this way, and then their daughters this well,

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like there's something going on like within the families, like

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specific people inherit this you call it me like a curse,

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but this ability to communicate with something else. And I

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don't know if their spirits. I don't know if it's domonic.

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I don't know if it's literally higher frequency beings, lower

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frequency being I don't know anything about what it could

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possibly be other than the fact that there could comunicating

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with something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's passed down. I think it's

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it like, not necessarily a generational curse, but something along

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those lines.

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Speaker 4: Random, random question, But uh, do you have any Indigenous

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people's bloodlines through you?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I think on my mother's side we have a

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small tribe was labeled black Slate, and uh, I know

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my dad's side he had I can't remember, but yeah,

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we do.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, and I don't want to generalize the

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whole thing, but some of the things I have kind

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of come across with some people are in this. I

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think if people do the genealogy stuff, a lot of

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us have Native American blood lines like I do apparently,

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and I think a lot of people probably do one.

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Speaker 1: Way or the other.

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Speaker 3: But like.

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Speaker 4: For me, it seems like more people and this actually

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works in the UFO Alien realm, two people really have

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more of the Native American side somehow or more involved

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with UFO stuff and aironormal stuff. I don't know why

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that is, but I've started to nose the pattern that

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sometimes people with these sorts of bloodlines are usually more

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able to communicate with something. Sometimes they're abducted. Like it's strange.

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Like I said, I don't. I don't like to jump

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to conclusion the spread false and information or anything like that,

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but this is just stuff that I've kind of formed

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my own opinion on, So don't take it as fact.

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But it's just things that I've come across that to

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me kind of line up together.

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Speaker 1: I'm in agreeance with that. I don't. I don't really

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tell a whole lot of people about this stuff because

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they kind of look at you like they're crazy or right.

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Every so often you find someone who's like, nah, dude,

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like that's just real, and but it's hard to find

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those types of people like I got a buddy of

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mine at work. I've been Franklin for years, but he

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gives me so much shit about it because he's never

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seen anything. And I've invited him to go, you know,

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I've got a tape recorder. I know some places. It's

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gonna see if we can get some EVPs. And he's like, no,

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I don't want to get I'm like, what the hell

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you want to see it? But when I offer, you

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don't want to go. I think he's like busting my

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balls about it.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, people like to live

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in the bubble, and once the bubble gets popped, there's

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no going back. And I think a lot of people

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are actually afraid of it. They like to poke fun

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and say this isn't real because that's what they want

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to believe, because they don't want it to be real,

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and the moment they figure out that it is, there's

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no going back.

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Speaker 1: This is this is also are true? Yeah? Uh? Do

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you think that's like intense or immense trauma kind of

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plays a factor in that, I.

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Speaker 4: Believe, so I think I think emotional scarring and traumatic

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events it's just a very high energy, high memory like.

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Speaker 1: For me.

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Speaker 3: And this is again just my opinion. It doesn't mean anything,

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but I feel like traumatic events, major events, it does something.

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It does a ripple through I don't want to call

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it space time, but it does something through like it leaves,

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like I forget the freaking term, but it's like a

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negative image on there. Like sometimes you see like Gettysburg

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is haunted because of the big all the deaths and

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the wars, and you still see like a tape, it's

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still playing the same thing. I think when events like

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that happen, it does like a stamp in time, and

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it impacts us and it impacts the ether, so everything

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around us is all tailed or tathered where the phrasing

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actually is, but like we're all involved and somehow that

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instance plays some sort of a role in the other things.

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So it leaves like it's time stamp on us and

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then the rest of the.

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Speaker 1: World kind of like what is it like a residual, right, yeah,

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I think so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they call them like residuals, but like I

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think that residual is literally burned into reality. And I

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think there's different versions of reality, Like we're in a

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three D world, and I think the spirit realm is

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maybe in like a fourth type of reality, or maybe

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some of these evil we call them evil, but these

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lower vibrational things are in a different realm. They're like

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from a different frequency plane, Like everything is frequencies and vibrations,

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00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,759
and we were vibrating constantly or our frequency. But some

480
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,000
of these other things could be from a different version

481
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,759
of that, like a spirit realm could be just these

482
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,839
higher frequency vibrating beings that come in here, or some

483
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,519
could be lower vibrant and they come off and feed

484
00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:39,240
off the negativity. Like there's all sorts of theories out there,

485
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:40,680
and I don't know if that's true or not, but

486
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,680
I tend to lean that way more so since I've

487
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,400
started doing this show, because it makes more sense to me.

488
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,119
It doesn't have to make sense for anyone else, but

489
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:49,759
it does for me.

490
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,359
Speaker 1: Kind of think of like, uh, guess how to explain

491
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,359
that someone and doesn't understand it. Maybe when I guess

492
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:05,440
when you make like a record, uh, some kind of

493
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,640
a recording is kind of never mind.

494
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: I know what I haven't.

495
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,359
Speaker 4: I know what you're saying, though, Like when you make

496
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,640
a record, when you play the record, it's a vibration

497
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,279
of what was actually like recorded to that record, It's

498
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,279
like the grooves and stuff, And I understand what you're

499
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,000
I'm I come from playing a death metal band, so

500
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:29,680
I understand the whole concept.

501
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: Of the music. So for me, but like I get

502
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,480
what you're saying, like you're burning their music onto this

503
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,559
record and it takes the it's spinning around and the

504
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,319
little needles picking up the weird vibrations from the little

505
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,480
grooves and making and it plays off the music of

506
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:51,559
how it works. That is essentially you can kind of

507
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,319
reference that to like what our world is. It's those vibrations,

508
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,079
like we are the music. We live in the music

509
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,000
right now. The record player is the world and we're

510
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,039
the music, and the vibration is what we are surrounded

511
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,960
by and what we actually are.

512
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:10,279
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, basically what I was exactly what I

513
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:13,079
was going to say, not in so many words, but

514
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,759
I couldn't with the pieces together.

515
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:18,519
Speaker 3: That's what I'm here for.

516
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,039
Speaker 1: Help it out now.

517
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 4: That when it comes to all the weird stuff, somehow

518
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:27,680
I think it's all connected one way or the other.

519
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:29,720
And I don't know if that's true. Again, it's just

520
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:33,640
kind of my theories that when you talk with people

521
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,680
that have had some sort of paranormal experiences, you tend

522
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,880
to find when you start asking and I'll ask you,

523
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:46,559
have you ever seen anything strange far as what could

524
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:48,720
possibly be like considered a UFO?

525
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: No, And I really wanted to, But my dad, has.

526
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 4: Have you seen or been in anyone in your family

527
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:00,480
or whatever seen anything that could be considered like a cryptid?

528
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,559
Speaker 1: What what is it? Cryptid? Exactly like a.

529
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: Big foot, a dog man, a Jersey devil, like any

530
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,759
any of those weird type of creatures that they claim

531
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:21,240
aren't real, like even like they call them pill crawlers

532
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,279
or anything like that, like those slender humanoid looking things,

533
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,880
like weird stuff that basically we call monsters.

534
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that would go back to my aunt. They

535
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:39,039
my dad explained it. They were they were chased by

536
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:48,160
like more than a dozen sixthan's tall, pave man looking

537
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,319
beings and my dad had you know, he said, yeah,

538
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:57,880
they bite, fants, hit you, and it'd attack you all

539
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,000
at once. And I just kind of looked at him

540
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,880
when he told me that, and I'm like, that's fucking stupid,

541
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,240
Like but I him and my aunt both were like, no,

542
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:12,279
this this really happened. And I'm like, where the hell

543
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,319
I mean we I'm.

544
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,599
Speaker 3: I'm not even like laughing at that. I'm laughing at

545
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,640
the sense because I can actually relate to something like that.

546
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,279
Speaker 1: Oh no, ship.

547
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:35,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, basically, years back, we were being dumb kids,

548
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,960
and we threw rocks on this mound and something come

549
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,160
out chasing us. And I don't know how tall it was.

550
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,160
I just seen something come out, and everyone swore it

551
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:44,839
was a goblin.

552
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,119
Speaker 1: Noh shit, Okay, it wasn't very.

553
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:53,279
Speaker 4: It wasn't very tall. Most likely to me was like probably,

554
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440
looking at it now, it's probably an animal. But all

555
00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:59,119
my cousins said it was a goblin. And I was

556
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,079
just running the hell out of there because I'm not

557
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:02,799
getting eaten by whatever the hell just come out of

558
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:03,799
this thing we threw rocks out.

559
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

560
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,599
Speaker 4: There are all sorts of actual stories about little people

561
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,840
and things I've never heard of being six inches that's

562
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,119
actually smaller than what they're normally reported as. But up

563
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:27,159
in the northeastern part of the country, there's the stories

564
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,119
of the puck wedges, which we actually have some in

565
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,840
our area too here in Indiana. But they're basically a

566
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,320
little well, I would say more, I don't know how

567
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,480
to even describe what they would be considered there, but

568
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:44,360
basically like a spiritual type little things. But then there's

569
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,760
also the old legends of the fairy folk, they call

570
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:53,519
them fay and those are smaller. So I've always referenced

571
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,960
things to the sense of where did the stories and

572
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:59,599
legends come from? Like obviously in Europe they had a

573
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,519
lot more our stories about fayfolk. Well, what influenced them

574
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,159
to like leprechauns, What influenced them to talk about those

575
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,760
or little elves or all these things? Something had to

576
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,320
start those stories at some point. So what were people seeing?

577
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,840
Like fairies? They are only like a foot tall, if

578
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,000
that big? What influence people to talk about that? Will

579
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:26,239
some say, well, they were just fireflies? Well I would

580
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,880
think fairies, like a little human with wings that flies

581
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,159
around could be described better than.

582
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:34,119
Speaker 3: A bug.

583
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah no, there's I believe in that shit.

584
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: Again, that goes back into the realm of the different reality,

585
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,519
like the different planes of existence. Like in our world,

586
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:50,400
we're in the three D world, but maybe these things

587
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,960
are from the five D world whatever the hell that

588
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,559
could be. My mind doesn't even know what that would be,

589
00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:02,400
but like, maybe they're from a different frequency vibration area

590
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,320
that we can't see.

591
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:09,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that I believe in a lot of some

592
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,440
of it. I'm kind of like, Okay, that's kind of weird.

593
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,599
But again, like you said, you know, where does this

594
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,719
derive from? Where where do they get these creatures and

595
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,320
their stories and folklore, And somebody had to have seen

596
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,920
it somewhere, someone.

597
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,599
Speaker 4: That saw something somewhere to make a story about it.

598
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:37,679
That's it can go for anything that Let's use Sasquatch

599
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,480
for an example. There's been reports of them everywhere, like

600
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,400
almost on every continent. They've had some sort of reports

601
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:55,000
of something that would be considered a large, bipedal, hairy humanoid.

602
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,199
But there's nothing that proves that they exist. There's never

603
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,920
been a body found that at least has been publicly acknowledged.

604
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,599
Now you see pictures of what people.

605
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: Say are them.

606
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: You've seen the video that the famous video for walks

607
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
and turns its head back and looks and keeps going.

608
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,239
There's all that stuff, but people still say they don't exist.

609
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:19,679
What does everyone see?

610
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:25,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's had to have been seen somewhere. I mean

611
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,880
you can you can you can believe it, or you

612
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,079
can try to counteract it and say, oh no, you know,

613
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,559
dude was habitual liar and a drunk, so I mean,

614
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:44,559
good storyteller, But I do believe and feel that this

615
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:48,159
stuff has to come from somewhere, some kind of sighting.

616
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: If you want to look at it like a scientific

617
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,559
point of view. If you're a skeptic, you could throw

618
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,840
up wall. If these are real, then why are there no?

619
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,320
Why is there no? You would see a lot more

620
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,000
like with the way technology is. How come security cameras

621
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,960
aren't picking these things up? How come with everyone with

622
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:10,440
a cell phone they don't record them?

623
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:10,599
Speaker 3: Like?

624
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 4: Why has no one been digging in the ground building

625
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,119
all these buildings? We ever find buried stuff? Well, here's

626
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:20,760
the thing that most people don't consider. How often do

627
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,360
we dig in the ground anyways and come across anything?

628
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:32,639
Like if we're just digging, have you ever dug up

629
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:39,079
a bear? Has anyone dug up like the remains of

630
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,599
indigenous people? I know it's happened, but like you don't

631
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:48,000
hear about it though, So who's to say that we

632
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:49,920
haven't dug some of those things up when we just

633
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,880
don't realize we have been. That is, if they are

634
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,760
an actual flesh and blood creature like a lot of people.

635
00:38:59,519 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: Think they are.

636
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: And again that's just sasquatch. You could relate that to

637
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,400
UFOs and aliens. You can relate to anything. When it

638
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,480
comes down to it, there has to be some sort

639
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,679
of an explanation. And then even with paranormal people are

640
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,400
experiencing something, they're seeing something. What picked your daughter up

641
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,440
and through it to your bed.

642
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: Exactly like huh, So that was one of the serious

643
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,119
moments in my life.

644
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 4: There's something that does this, And as much as I

645
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,760
would love to know one hundred percent what it is,

646
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:41,360
the sad reality, I don't think we ever will, at

647
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,639
least not in my lifetime. I know that sucks, but

648
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:47,360
I don't know if we're ever going to get that

649
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,880
full on disclosure as to what is really going on.

650
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: Do you think that maybe all this kind of stuff

651
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:58,039
is very deep in the catacombs of the Vatican.

652
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 4: Without going on full on conspiracy realm with it.

653
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: I think. I think a lot of the upper.

654
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:21,039
Speaker 4: Societal members and religious like church things, not just like

655
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:25,000
with the Church, but like other different denominations and everything.

656
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:31,760
I think I think they have ideas. I don't want

657
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,800
to say that they have everything and they know everything,

658
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:43,679
because the way I understand how most things work. I

659
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,960
heard this recently on something else, and it made a

660
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,239
lot more sense to me. I think there are a

661
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,039
lot of the reasons that they don't acknowledge certain things,

662
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:59,360
like government wise, because they can't control it. So if

663
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:05,239
they can't can control the paranormal, they can't control.

664
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: UFOs or aliens or anything like that.

665
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: They can't control possible fae, different realities different to me,

666
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,159
they're just not going to talk about it because they

667
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:23,559
don't have the power over it. I feel like we

668
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:26,199
as humans were very egotistical in the sense that we

669
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,840
think we're the best of the best, and if we

670
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,599
know that we're not, we don't want everyone else to

671
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:32,480
know that. So we're just not going to acknowledge that.

672
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,400
So we want to be top of the food chain.

673
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,400
What happens if we find out we're not. How would

674
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,599
the world react if they knew that there's spirit realms

675
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,880
out there that actually do feed on us. They feed

676
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,440
on our energy. They're like a parasitic thing that we

677
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,679
don't even see, but they're all surrounded by us, and

678
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,400
then they feed off the hate and everything that's been

679
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:03,639
influenced in our lives. That was a reality. If someone

680
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:05,519
were to come on TV and say that, everyone was like,

681
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,079
what the that guy's crazy?

682
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, I guess it goes back to seeing

683
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,960
is believing, right.

684
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 4: I've said a lot of times I don't think people

685
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,039
fully understand it if they've never had their own experience.

686
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,119
It really takes someone to actually have some sort of

687
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:30,400
an experience that they acknowledge before they'll actually understand there's

688
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,000
a lot more to it, because I believe a lot

689
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:35,079
of people have experiences they just don't realize it or

690
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:41,239
they won't pay attention to it.

691
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was kind of hard not to pay attention

692
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,639
to it and acknowledge the fact that something abnormal is

693
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:52,119
going on around And you know that could go back

694
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,920
to what you had said previously about in the bubble.

695
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all sorts of possibilities, but that is the

696
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,800
whole thing with life is well, I personally don't think

697
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,480
we'll ever really figure it out. I don't know if

698
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:13,320
we're really designed to know all of the secrets of life.

699
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,480
And I think these are part of the secrets that

700
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,679
we all keep searching for answers for. But I don't

701
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:19,440
know if we're ever going to find the actual answer.

702
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,800
We might get some clues here and there, but the

703
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,039
world is a giant puzzle and we're all sitting here

704
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:27,039
certain sorting through pieces of it trying to find the

705
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:27,599
ones a fit.

706
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:34,159
Speaker 1: Have you ever experienced sleep paralysis.

707
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: I have. I actually have it often. I don't know.

708
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:45,360
I didn't know what it was at first, and I

709
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,960
can talk to you more about it off air, but no,

710
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:53,000
I just had it probably about a month ago.

711
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,079
Speaker 1: Do you see anything when you experience the sleep paralysis?

712
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,679
Is anything present itself to you? Do you feel anything?

713
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:06,599
Speaker 4: I usually just realize I'm not moving and I keep

714
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,000
fighting until I start moving. I tell myself to wake up,

715
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:09,760
and I wake up.

716
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:17,039
Speaker 1: Lucky. I've had it twice, and my wife, you know again,

717
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:19,960
was kind of the skeptic. She thought I was having

718
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,480
a bad dream or something and I was completely awake.

719
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,960
I couldn't move and h the first time. Anytime I

720
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,679
close my eyes, these planes would shoot up and it

721
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,400
was just like this big mouth of huge fucking teeth

722
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,039
snapping at my face. And when I'd opened my eyes,

723
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:42,840
I was sweating profusely, like like I was inside of

724
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,360
a heater, and I could feel these gusts of winds

725
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:49,920
every time, and it took forever to wake up. And

726
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,400
then that one scared me because I seen shit crawl

727
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,039
on the wall as well. Uh something I don't I

728
00:44:58,079 --> 00:44:59,840
don't know what it was. It was some kind of

729
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:06,599
a a shadow figure had long extremities and hair, and

730
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:10,039
it just went right before I could move, it had

731
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:14,280
crawled into the ceiling. And then I was able to

732
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:18,719
have full control of my own body again. And the

733
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,519
second time, I think I scared myself just from the

734
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:27,039
past experience. I didn't really see anything, but I struggled

735
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:31,760
so hard to scream or move or something. And then

736
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,760
I think it was like a year later my wife

737
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,239
had finally experienced it for the first time, and this

738
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,880
is when we had moved, and we're seeing the blankets

739
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,599
and stuff, the things crawling in the floor and under

740
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,760
the door, her being chased by something she thought with

741
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,800
me but had no face, and it scared the hell

742
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,440
out of her, and she was like, I'm so sorry.

743
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,079
Well I was like, yeah, well, you know, we discussA

744
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:55,880
that later, but right now, are you okay?

745
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: I'd like to talk a little bit more about that,

746
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,039
Like how did the whole thing come about?

747
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,639
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I worked second shift at this

748
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:13,400
break place, and when I got home, I was I

749
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,440
was so tired. I had been up for I think

750
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,880
I was going on twenty four hours straight. I couldn't sleep,

751
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:26,559
and when I laid down to go to sleep. I

752
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:31,000
think I started dozing off and I don't know what happened.

753
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,039
I couldn't move and I started panicking. I'm wide awake.

754
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,679
I'm panicking. And anytime I closed my eyes to try

755
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,280
to like get out of it, there's these planes and

756
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,280
these huge I seen a masket spirit Halloween last week,

757
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,719
and I was like, fay, Gabe, this is what I

758
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,159
saw that one time I had sleep for It was

759
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:56,760
the same. It was Oh man, it was insane, dude.

760
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,920
These huge fucking teeth just snapping at my face had

761
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,559
come out of the flames. And when I opened my

762
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:07,519
eyes again, I was sweating profusuly. I like I was

763
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,280
in a sauna, and I could feel it. Every time

764
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,199
it snapped his teeth and I'd opened my eyes, I

765
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,559
could feel these gusts of winds. And that went on.

766
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,519
I know at least twenty minutes. I laid there trying

767
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,599
to move and scream and dealing with that. And right

768
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:27,000
before I gained full control of my own body again,

769
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,320
something had crawled up the wall and into the ceiling.

770
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,519
And that that was one of the scariest moments as well. Uh,

771
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,920
I don't I don't know, come to think of it, man,

772
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,039
when I was a kid, we went swimming at my

773
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,480
one ant's house. She had this big ass pull out

774
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,519
in the yard and I had jumped in through an

775
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:54,159
inner tube and I got stuck and I was under

776
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,960
My head was under the water, and uh, I don't

777
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,920
know how long it was, but I started seeing this.

778
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,519
I remember seeing this light to start I could I

779
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:06,440
don't know if I'd sucked in a bunch of water,

780
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:11,159
but I had seen this bright light to start coming

781
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:16,199
into my I guess my periphials or something. It was

782
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,079
like right in front of me, but it was all around,

783
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:24,320
and then it kept getting closer or growing bigger, and

784
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,079
right before it it got like right up on me.

785
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,039
I got poured out of the water and they were

786
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,559
pumping on my chest. I split up a bunch of water,

787
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:43,000
and after that, I remember seeing and hearing a lot

788
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:47,280
more stuff, I guess, like a near death experience.

789
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 4: That is interesting because I wonder if that is part

790
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,679
of the reason as to why you're more open to

791
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:04,400
these things, because you were close to that side, Like

792
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:08,719
maybe that light you saw was the other side to

793
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,880
where these things are now able to. They saw you,

794
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,960
so maybe since they saw you now they're more interested

795
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,239
in you.

796
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: I never really thought of it like that. I thought

797
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,480
it was, you know, the light at the end of

798
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:31,079
the tunnel, as they say, here's what I've.

799
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 4: Mentioned this on a previous episode. We're always told to

800
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,559
go to the light when you see the light at

801
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:41,320
the end of the tunnel. What if the light at

802
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,159
the end of the tunnel is not really what we

803
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,559
think it is. What if the light is where they

804
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,599
want us to go, because that's where they get us

805
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:57,400
at It is a really morbid outlook, But what do

806
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,400
you attract? What gets drawn to lights? Look at bugs,

807
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,960
they get drawn into the light. You turn on the light,

808
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,159
you sucking all these things, Like the light brings in everything.

809
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,639
And everyone's like, oh, you got to go to the light. Well,

810
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:13,880
if I was trying to trap things defeat on them.

811
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,679
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I would all the light and draw them

812
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:17,119
to the light.

813
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to die anymore. On Holy shit,

814
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,719
that's that's insane.

815
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,199
Speaker 4: So I'm not telling people if you die, not to

816
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,480
go to the light, but maybe look around first.

817
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, get it, feel what the hell is out there?

818
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:46,519
Speaker 4: Because if you start going to that light, what if

819
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,079
and this is just some out there stuff, But what

820
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:50,320
if the light is.

821
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: Or we get trapped.

822
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: What if the light is not how we move to

823
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,239
the next world. Like I'm not saying like heaven, hell

824
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,199
anything like that. I'm just saying, like, what if our

825
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,079
bodies are here, our souls are trapped, our energy, our

826
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,920
consciousness in order for us to reach the next stage.

827
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,320
Like maybe these beings from a different plane of existence

828
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,239
used to be what we are, and maybe the light

829
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,079
is the trap and then we don't achieve the higher level,

830
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:23,159
so we go into the light and we get stuck

831
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:26,840
back here and we start all over again, like or.

832
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,079
Speaker 1: Someone like a reincarnation type thing.

833
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 4: You could say that way, but like people say reincarnation,

834
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,440
but like we're destined to I use that as an

835
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,519
example for like when people have deja vu, because I

836
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:47,360
have that a lot, and it's almost like we've been

837
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,559
here before. Well, we died, went to the light, came

838
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,519
back by now we're living the whole life over again.

839
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:59,719
We're all just on repeat. So maybe we're not supposed

840
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,480
to go to the light, which goes against everything that

841
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:10,880
people It goes against everything that we're taught. But I've

842
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320
always been one that kind of rebels against what's been

843
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,199
taught to me in the first place. So I said,

844
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,039
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying I'm wrong.

845
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:20,480
I don't really know what the hell I'm talking about.

846
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:24,719
I'm just saying for me, I've often wondered if maybe

847
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,679
we're not supposed to go to the light, because what

848
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:32,159
happens if we don't? Are we ghosts? Then we wander around?

849
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:34,280
Maybe is that what these spirits are because they didn't

850
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,280
go to the light, Or.

851
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:40,199
Speaker 3: Maybe they go to the light and then.

852
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 4: They come back and their ghosts don't.

853
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,199
Speaker 3: I don't know. Like I said, it's just something to.

854
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:49,199
Speaker 1: Think about, definitely something to think about that I've never

855
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:54,559
thought of it like that before, but I probably, ah,

856
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,360
I probably will, thank you. It's a new fear unlaw.

857
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 4: That's uh, not what I'm here to do. But this

858
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:10,239
is going to be the Halloween episode. So for anyone listening,

859
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:12,000
hopefully I didn't ruin your.

860
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,079
Speaker 1: Your evenings afterlife, right, not.

861
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 3: Telling you not to go to the light. You want

862
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,880
to go to the light. More and more important to

863
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,800
me is you to go and do your own thing.

864
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,400
Don't use me as an influence. I'm just a nobody.

865
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,679
Speaker 1: If you get to go to the light and come back,

866
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:36,800
please document everything and get back with it in full

867
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,320
tails and let us know.

868
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,199
Speaker 4: People have said before that the whole thing of going

869
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:44,840
to the light is because it's your memories going back

870
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,039
through and it's basically like the first memory you have

871
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:54,719
because you're being born. It sounds weird, Yeah, it sounds weird,

872
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,000
but I've heard that a lot, or like, no, when

873
00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:59,280
you're dying, you just remember being born. Well that's kind

874
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,679
of what got me thinking about the whole aspect of

875
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,280
going back through it again. You go to the light

876
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:11,119
and then you're born again. So are we not moving on?

877
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,639
Because if that's the case, they're saying, you're just remembering

878
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,360
being born. Well, maybe it's because when you go to

879
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,599
the light you are being born again, you're someone else,

880
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,880
you're the same person or on repeat. I don't know

881
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,320
what it means other than maybe that's what's happening. So

882
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,639
maybe we shouldn't go to the light.

883
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's just that's just how my brain works.

884
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,519
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's nothing wrong with that either. That's a that's

885
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,119
an that's insane, that's intense.

886
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:51,119
Speaker 4: We can probably wrap this one up, but before we do,

887
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,199
is there anything else you would like to talk about?

888
00:54:56,159 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, there's a lot. But you know, if you're

889
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,800
willing man and this was okay, I'd love to come

890
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,719
back and discuss more of our experiences, or maybe a

891
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:21,239
multiple guest one where somebody has relatable experiences or I'm

892
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,239
always down for it. I'd nice to finally have somebody

893
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,280
that will actually sit and listen and compare and contrast

894
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,679
ideas instead of just brush it off and look at

895
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:34,760
you like you're fucking weird.

896
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 4: No, I the whole reason I do my show is

897
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:42,199
for what you just said. There is too many people

898
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,719
out there that do not consider any of this stuff

899
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,920
and instantly write it off. The whole concept for me

900
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,440
is to make something for people to be able to

901
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,000
come on and have those conversations and not get made

902
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,719
fun of, not get told they're crazy, not get ridiculed.

903
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,519
That's not what I do here. So I don't tend

904
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:05,039
to say that I believe everything that gets thrown at me,

905
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:07,320
because I am a skeptic in most parts. But I'm

906
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,960
a lot more open than I ever used to be.

907
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:15,199
But I tend to believe that majority of the people

908
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:18,679
that I speak with fully believe what they're telling me.

909
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:21,079
So if they believe it, who am I to question it?

910
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,960
You know, I wasn't there. I didn't experience it. I'm

911
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,800
going to tell someone they didn't experience what they said

912
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:26,079
they did.

913
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish more people thought like that.

914
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:34,039
Speaker 3: It takes someone to have experiences that, like I said earlier,

915
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:36,760
to relate to it. If people don't have those experiences,

916
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,320
then they don't have any idea what it's actually like

917
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:45,719
to have them. So that is, like I said, why

918
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,079
I do what I do just because I know what

919
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:49,599
it's like for people not to believe you.

920
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:59,199
Speaker 1: Not a good feeling, not at all. Oh yeah, definitely, man,

921
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,639
I can, I can. If you want to do another

922
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:04,199
one of these, I can tell you about the time

923
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:10,719
that we actually captured EVPs walked into a cold spot.

924
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:14,800
And this all happened in one night, and I think

925
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:20,320
we captured like six EVPs within a ten minute timeframe

926
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:23,360
and walked into a cold spot. And what's funny is

927
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,519
that there was a guy who had just died behind

928
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:27,920
the house in a freak a week prior, and I

929
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,119
think we caught his voice on the recorder.

930
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can definitely have you back out here on

931
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,440
here and we can talk more about it. I enjoyed

932
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,079
talking with you. So yeah, I definitely have you back

933
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:41,639
on sometime.

934
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,719
Speaker 1: Thanks. Man, I definitely honored to be on here. That's

935
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,800
that's for damn sure.

936
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 4: All I appreciate you come on here and sharing that

937
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,320
with us.

938
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,199
Speaker 1: But for.

939
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 4: Now, we're going to wrap this one up on this

940
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,960
little segment. So again thanks to Jerry and thanks for listening.

941
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: Like, take this time to welcome my guest in studio tonight,

942
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:14,519
Miss Emily. Hi, don't make it awkward. Would you like

943
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,280
to let the audience know a little bit about yourself?

944
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:20,639
Speaker 2: So I can let the audience know, but you're already

945
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:22,440
going to know because you're married to me, or at

946
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,960
least I hope you know something about me. Yeah. So

947
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,119
I'm a mom, I work full time. I I've worked

948
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,119
for many years in different areas.

949
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: But healthcare, child development. Yeah.

950
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: Now I'm the person everybody here hates to hear on

951
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:42,880
the phone.

952
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

953
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,079
Speaker 3: Now, you're not one that is big in the whole

954
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,119
paranormal aspect or anything either.

955
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:51,679
Speaker 1: No.

956
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,599
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you hear everybody's stories, but to me,

957
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:56,920
they're just that stories.

958
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: So you could say you're a skeptic.

959
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, to say the.

960
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: Least, you know think aliens are flying around and abducting people.

961
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,239
Speaker 2: No, especially especially aliens, not abducting people. No, especially in

962
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:12,039
their dreams.

963
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 3: Okay, So for the audience listening, and you can kind

964
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:23,480
of understand the basis of where we're at here. But

965
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:25,400
the reason I wanted to have you on to talk

966
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,559
to you is because someone else that I had interviewed,

967
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,599
which the interview was before this one. So for anyone

968
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:32,800
listening to the interview, you just listened to. But there

969
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,239
are very many similarities to what he was talking about

970
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,880
to some of the things that you've experienced with our

971
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:47,000
oldest and now with our youngest daughter. So for me,

972
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:50,679
I thought it would be interesting to talk about some

973
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:52,239
of that stuff instead of hearing it from me, hearing

974
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:54,480
it from the person that's actually experienced it.

975
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

976
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, because for the stuff with our oldest, I absolutely

977
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,719
wasn't there for that, So this is all prior to

978
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,119
me and you being together. But for the listening audience,

979
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:13,559
I figured they might find this interesting because, again, coming

980
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,800
from someone who doesn't really believe in this sort of stuff,

981
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,440
even though you've experienced stuff and saw stuff, it's kind

982
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,039
of funny to me that you're still against believing it.

983
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, because once you believe it. It makes it real.

984
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,639
Speaker 3: And that's what I tell people. A lot of people

985
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:31,679
have experiences and they want to write it off because

986
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:33,679
they don't want to accept the fact that it is real.

987
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what I've done for all these years,

988
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,119
is refused to accept it because I don't want to

989
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:40,639
make it real.

990
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 3: Well, if you want to get started, they get bag

991
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:46,039
all the way to the beginning.

992
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:52,079
Speaker 2: So back when the oldest was about six or eight

993
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:55,440
months old, her dad and I moved into our first house,

994
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,639
you know, and I always when I walked in, had

995
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:06,199
that feeling of somebody's there, but nobody is there. And

996
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:10,880
shortly after living there, we hired somebody to come watch

997
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,079
her in our home because the cost of childcare, even

998
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:21,039
thirteen years ago was astronomical. And about two or three

999
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:25,199
days into her watching our daughter, she had said that

1000
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,360
she was curious about who lived here before we did,

1001
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,920
because she would have our daughter in the front room

1002
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,760
and her toys would be turning on and playing, and

1003
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,280
she would hear interesting noises back in our daughter's bedroom,

1004
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,280
which was you know, at the other end of the house.

1005
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,960
And you know, we didn't have any dogs or cats

1006
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:48,880
that could have went back there and turned them on.

1007
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,960
So it was definitely like a you know, eye raiser

1008
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,320
and why they would be turning on. And you know,

1009
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,599
we did explain to her that prior to us living there,

1010
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,639
we did learn that there had been a gentleman who

1011
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:08,280
passed away in that room, so you know, the joke was, oh,

1012
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,159
he'd probably still here then. But again, not one to

1013
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,880
really want or have the need to believe that that

1014
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:21,079
could really be a thing, And it wasn't until about

1015
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,119
a week and a half two weeks later, she said

1016
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:26,119
she's not going to keep watching our daughter and literally

1017
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:28,679
left me high and dry. I had to call off

1018
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:31,880
work that day because she didn't show up because she

1019
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,400
was too afraid to come back.

1020
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:37,159
Speaker 3: Now this was back when about two thousand.

1021
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,039
Speaker 2: And eleven, twenty twelve. Yeah, yeah, so it's been quite

1022
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:44,400
a while ago. So you know, I stayed home that

1023
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,480
day and we kind of tried to figure out what

1024
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:49,960
we were going to do. And that feeling of somebody's

1025
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:57,079
watching or somebody's there intensified over the course of you know,

1026
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,119
those couple of weeks that she was there, and I

1027
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:02,400
kind of put it all as you know, she was

1028
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,920
the first person to say it. Maybe she introduced something somehow,

1029
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,079
but you know, I kind of pushed that away because

1030
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:13,880
I also had that weird feeling from the first time

1031
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:14,400
we walked in.

1032
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: What type of feeling can you describe?

1033
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like when you feel like somebody's looking

1034
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,639
over your shoulder, you know, like just somebody's right there,

1035
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,960
that eerie goosebumpy feeling when you walk into a building

1036
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,159
and you don't feel like you're alone.

1037
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: By heaviness, Yeah, yeah, you could say heavy.

1038
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:36,519
Speaker 2: It's very ominous type feeling.

1039
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,719
Speaker 3: Now, this was the first place you'd moved into, wasn't it.

1040
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:44,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, this was the first place to be lived

1041
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:46,840
outside of our parents' homes. Yeah.

1042
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:49,559
Speaker 3: How long ago had the guide passed away in there?

1043
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:54,599
Speaker 2: It had been about two years prior to when we

1044
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:56,960
moved in, But there had been a couple other families

1045
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:02,320
that moved in between him passing away and us moving in,

1046
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:05,199
and they weren't even there for six months.

1047
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:06,719
Speaker 3: I know who they were.

1048
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know them personally, but I talked to one

1049
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,480
of the neighbors, and the lady who lived there with

1050
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:17,360
that man because it was her brother. She ended up

1051
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,280
moving to a different house right down the road, and

1052
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:26,199
even the neighbors said he hated kids. So every family

1053
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:28,719
who has moved in there with kids has never stayed,

1054
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:31,360
you know, longer than six months. And we were reaching

1055
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:35,639
right at that six month point when everything started to

1056
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:38,760
get really strange.

1057
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: About how old was she at that point?

1058
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:41,159
Speaker 1: Then?

1059
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: Just about a year old?

1060
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was right before she turned one.

1061
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:50,159
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, well from there, I know there's a lot

1062
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:52,039
more to it, so Y keep going.

1063
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:57,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. So one day she, I mean was just absolutely

1064
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,559
granted and I could not, you know, figure out what

1065
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:03,320
was going on. So I went to go back there

1066
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:09,599
and her bedroom door shut very abruptly, very hard, and

1067
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:14,519
of course that sued me to run to the door.

1068
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:17,880
And you know, the the house that I was living

1069
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,519
in was a trailer, so you know, anybody who knows

1070
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:26,039
trailers know they're not like super sturdily built, so doors

1071
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:35,199
are easily opened generally speaking, But at that moment.

1072
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 3: I couldn't open the door.

1073
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 2: It was like it was locked, even though there was

1074
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:39,639
no lock on that door.

1075
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: So no matter what you did, you couldn't get into Yeah.

1076
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:44,719
Speaker 2: I mean I was doing my whole body into it.

1077
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,960
I was twisting the handle, pulling up on it, pulling

1078
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,960
back on it, everything, and I could just hear her screaming,

1079
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,239
and any parent knows hearing their child screaming is the

1080
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:57,480
worst feeling when you can't get to them. And then

1081
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:00,000
all of a sudden, the door just was no longer.

1082
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:02,280
It was almost like somebody was on the other side.

1083
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 3: Pushing it shut, trying to keep you out.

1084
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then all of a sudden, there is no

1085
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:09,440
weight on that door. And when I walked in, and

1086
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,280
it still gives me goosebumps when I even talk about

1087
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,719
it now, when I walked in, she was up against

1088
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:22,000
the back of her crib, not touching the mattress.

1089
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,519
Speaker 3: So basically saying she was levitating.

1090
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there was no way that she could

1091
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,760
have been I mean anything but literally loading.

1092
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,239
Speaker 3: Now, when you've told me this before, and I've called

1093
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:39,599
bullshit on it because to me, I don't necessarily see

1094
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:45,840
that being possible. But your ex is also said that.

1095
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,719
But did he actually see it or was it only you?

1096
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,159
Speaker 2: No, it was just me. He wasn't there, so him,

1097
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,239
you know, saying yeah, okay, it's agreeing, But he had

1098
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,119
heard the things on the baby monitor randomly, you know,

1099
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:01,679
But I kind of put that off to outside noise

1100
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:05,280
because trailer walls are thin, you know, you hear everything outside.

1101
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:06,519
Speaker 3: But did it come through the monitor.

1102
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: A couple of different times there was like static that

1103
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,159
would come through. But again I put that off to

1104
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,760
cheap material. And he would always say, oh, yeah, no,

1105
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,840
it's not cheap. That doesn't just happen. But shortly after

1106
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,719
any noise we would hear, our daughter would just lose it.

1107
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:29,199
She would be hysterical and crying. But what was you know,

1108
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,400
the worst for it was once I got to her.

1109
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:35,880
You know, it was like I picked her up out

1110
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,400
of mid air. She never once went back down like

1111
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:41,760
you know it. Some people were like, oh, she was

1112
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,400
probably holding onto the back of the crib or no,

1113
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:45,760
her pack was against it.

1114
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 3: I'm still knowing you, and not just because you're my wife,

1115
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,000
but like when I hear that stuff to me, I

1116
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:57,920
try to rule out how that's possible. And for some

1117
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:01,639
reason I can't to the audience because you're my wife

1118
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:03,480
be like, oh, he's just going to go along with whatever.

1119
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:07,039
But no, if anyone knows me, especially you, yeah, you're

1120
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:07,920
gonna call out bullshit.

1121
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: You see bullshit?

1122
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.

1123
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: I still struggle excepting that, and I know you and

1124
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:19,479
you're not a bullshitter at all. Yeah, so I want

1125
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,439
to believe, but it's creepy.

1126
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I said, I still get goosebump and it's

1127
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,840
been thirteen years.

1128
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's one things. Again, I didn't see it,

1129
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,760
so I can't say, yes, this is what really happened,

1130
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,560
but I also can't rule it out. So for me,

1131
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,520
it's just like I don't know how to explain it, right.

1132
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, after that happened, I of course

1133
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,439
called her dad and I was like, I'm leaving, never

1134
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,039
coming back to this house. I don't know what just happened.

1135
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:47,520
And I explained the whole thing to him, and we

1136
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,000
ended up going and staying with a friend of ours

1137
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:54,039
for a few days because I was just absolutely traumatized.

1138
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:56,159
I wouldn't go back in to get closed, like I

1139
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,359
wouldn't go back in for anything. And he contacted a

1140
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:04,720
friend of ours who was very heavily into religion and

1141
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:09,680
she had been known to do cleanses of houses, and

1142
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,640
so he asked her if she would go and do

1143
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,640
you know an investigation or a cleanse, whatever, you know,

1144
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,319
you want to look at it as and she said yeah,

1145
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,119
so she did and she met with us later and

1146
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,039
told us that we can't return. It's not safe until

1147
01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:28,279
she's finished, which, of course, you know, made me freak

1148
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:32,039
out because you know, my young mom, I didn't know

1149
01:09:32,119 --> 01:09:33,800
what that meant, like with I putting my own child

1150
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,560
in danger. And a couple days later she finally told us, yes,

1151
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,479
you can go back. I put some angels in her bedroom,

1152
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,560
one of which was in a window basing out, and

1153
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,359
then there was some in her closet and then won

1154
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,000
by the front door, and she said, as long as

1155
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:56,159
you live here, don't move them. That will help to

1156
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:00,880
tour anything from re entering your home. We did just that.

1157
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,720
I actually still own those angels. They're in a cabinet now,

1158
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,760
but you know, we left those there. And as she

1159
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:15,159
got older, you know, things didn't stop per se. If anything,

1160
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:18,880
they got a little weirder for me. You know, she

1161
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,319
would once she was at the age of you know,

1162
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:27,439
talking to a point of understanding, she would tell us

1163
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,479
that she sees eyes outside her window, you know, red eyes.

1164
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,239
They're looking at me. They're looking at me. And we

1165
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:36,000
always you know, maybe it's somebody's tail lights or maybe

1166
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:38,720
it's you know, whatever. But it was only ever out

1167
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,960
of her window, never out of the front window or

1168
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:43,560
the back window.

1169
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 3: Was it the same window or the thing was the angel?

1170
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the angel was It was like a bay window.

1171
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,600
Who it had like the flat part on the bottom,

1172
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,720
and the angel was sitting there on that flat part

1173
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,000
looking out, and that was the exact same window that

1174
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,600
she would always tell us that she saw red eyes,

1175
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,880
so we had curtains up, but she said that she

1176
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:11,640
could still see them. So she was probably two and

1177
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,600
a half and she would start having what we later

1178
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,399
were told by doctors were night terrors where we thought

1179
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,760
she was awake because of how fast she was running

1180
01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:26,199
and just screaming. And you know, again as a parent,

1181
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:29,880
hearing your child's scream is the worst thing ever, especially

1182
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,319
in the middle of the night in a dead sleep.

1183
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:38,319
But she was never actually awake. And she would come in,

1184
01:11:38,399 --> 01:11:42,399
you know some nights looking like she's holding hands with somebody,

1185
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:45,600
and you know, we would ask her, what are you doing,

1186
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,159
and she would giggle and you know, just mumble things

1187
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:52,720
and then crawl on our bed and go back to sleep. Well,

1188
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:58,199
one particular night, she came sprinting, I mean like I

1189
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:02,159
heard her running the moment she left her room into

1190
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:04,680
my room and jumped in my bed, and of course

1191
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,239
I'm trying to soothe her and are you okay? Are

1192
01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:10,680
you okay? And again she's not awake, so she's not

1193
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:14,640
like responding. Her eyes are open, she looks awake, she

1194
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,039
looks like, you know, your normal person looking at you.

1195
01:12:19,159 --> 01:12:22,840
But she sits up. And the way that we had

1196
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,800
our room set up is our bed was like in

1197
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,079
the corner, and there was a window close to the

1198
01:12:27,119 --> 01:12:30,439
foot of our bed on the right side. And she

1199
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,680
sits up, crossed to the window and pulls the curtain back,

1200
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:37,560
turns around ever so slowly, and I will never forget

1201
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:42,439
like that slow turnaround and said they're here, shut the

1202
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:47,119
curtain or blinds, laid down and went to sleep.

1203
01:12:48,039 --> 01:12:50,119
Speaker 3: Now, when you say they're here, reminds me of the

1204
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:53,880
movie Poltergeist. Yeah, yeah, the little creepy kid and little

1205
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,760
girl that turned from the TV and said they're back

1206
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:58,520
or whatever.

1207
01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:02,319
Speaker 2: They're Yeah, so of course I freaked out, like I'm awake.

1208
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:04,399
It's three thirty in the morning. And that was the

1209
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,159
other very very strange thing the time the time, it

1210
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:10,840
was always between three and four am, which later I've

1211
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,359
always learned, you know, that's apparently like a witching hour.

1212
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,920
Or something they say the most you know, awake, that

1213
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,119
the spirits are or whatever.

1214
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:25,159
Speaker 3: Thirty three thirty three usually isn't the mocking. It's like

1215
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:27,079
half of six six six. I've been right.

1216
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:30,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that of course I woke her dad up,

1217
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:32,560
and I'm like, something's going on, like this is what

1218
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:36,119
was said, and uh, you know, of course men waking

1219
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:39,319
up in the middle of the night is nearly impossible,

1220
01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:44,000
not always true, okay, not for you, but most men,

1221
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,479
you know. So of course he rolled over and went

1222
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,520
right back to sleep. And here I lay awake because

1223
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,600
I'm not going to go back to sleep. My kid

1224
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,600
just told me somebody's ear, but I don't see anybody,

1225
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,319
and I did. I got up. I checked that window,

1226
01:13:56,359 --> 01:13:58,279
I checked the front window, I checked her window, and

1227
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:03,239
I didn't see anything. So I just sat in bed

1228
01:14:04,279 --> 01:14:09,039
sued her because she was still like breathing shakily, almost

1229
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:13,720
like she was scared, even though she wasn't awake. And then,

1230
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:16,039
you know, we kind of brushed that off. But then

1231
01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:18,760
a few days later she came in our room again,

1232
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,600
and this became an almost nightly thing that she would

1233
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,000
come in and we would just most of the time

1234
01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:26,640
put her in our bed, put her back to sleep,

1235
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,479
and ignore anything that was happening around us. But one

1236
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:36,199
night in particular, she came in and she was giggling,

1237
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,520
so it was a nice treat to not have her screaming.

1238
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,000
It was like she was holding somebody's hand again, and

1239
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:48,359
we're like, hey, what are you doing? And she's like,

1240
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,720
giggles and says, I'm talking to Grandma Jackie.

1241
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 3: And I was like.

1242
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: Who, because her Grandma Jackie died three years before she

1243
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,439
was born, and so that was the only Jackie I

1244
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,640
knew of. That could be you know, references to it,

1245
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,079
but it didn't make any sense because she'd never seen her.

1246
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:17,000
And I was, you know, again, who, She's like Grandma Jackie,

1247
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,720
and she giggled and said, and she wants me to

1248
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,840
tell you cows don't have teeth. And I immediately sat

1249
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:30,119
up and I was absolutely petrified when I was a teenager.

1250
01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:35,159
That was Grandma Jackie's joke, these cows don't have teeth,

1251
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:37,760
to try to make me not afraid of them.

1252
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 3: You're afraid of cows for one listening, Yeah, I am.

1253
01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:45,960
It's a very strange phobia to be afraid of cows.

1254
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: But you are terrified, then I have explained it a

1255
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,279
million times. If you have never been chased in an

1256
01:15:51,279 --> 01:15:55,039
open field by a bull and a bunch of hungry cows,

1257
01:15:55,359 --> 01:15:56,760
you wouldn't understand.

1258
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:01,399
Speaker 3: They're not going to eat you. They do have they

1259
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:02,960
do have teeth, but not to eat meat.

1260
01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 2: Listen, you couldn't have told sixteen seventeen year old me that,

1261
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,199
and you cannot tell thirty year old me that either.

1262
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,319
So yeah, that was you know. And there had been

1263
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:20,239
a couple of different instances where she referenced Jackie and

1264
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:27,840
she had saw a picture of her grandma at her

1265
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,800
So Jackie was her great grandma. And she saw a

1266
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,039
picture of her at her grandmother's house and said, Madma,

1267
01:16:35,079 --> 01:16:39,600
who is that? And she told her, well, that's Grandma Jackie.

1268
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,600
I thought you'd said you had seen her before. And

1269
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,920
in the photo she had her hair all ice and pretty.

1270
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:50,359
It was a family photo, and she said, no, Grandma

1271
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:55,000
Jackie has no hair. And Grandma Jackie died of cancer.

1272
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,359
But she would have never been seen in public or

1273
01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:02,880
by family other than her husband and daughter and son

1274
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:07,000
put out her wig on. So for her to reference

1275
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:10,920
something that even some of the closest family had never

1276
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,119
seen was wild.

1277
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:19,279
Speaker 3: Who was that to her is that obviously on her

1278
01:17:19,359 --> 01:17:19,920
dad's side.

1279
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 2: So it was yeah, it was her dad's mom's mom.

1280
01:17:23,079 --> 01:17:26,239
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so it was her great grandma.

1281
01:17:26,319 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And like I said, she passed away three

1282
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,720
years where she had part of her name from. But yeah,

1283
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,600
she would have never have had any sort of memory

1284
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:36,079
of her.

1285
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 3: Would anyone have said anything to her about cows that?

1286
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: No, Because what's funny is that was me and Jackie thing.

1287
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,680
I had never even told anybody until after that instance

1288
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,399
that Jackie had told me that because I had come

1289
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,680
back into the house after feeding time down at the farm.

1290
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,199
They had a big farm, and I was just frantic.

1291
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,279
She's trying to calm me down in the kitchen and

1292
01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:02,880
then she's like, girl, what is wrong with you? And

1293
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,119
of course I'm hysterical, and I'm like, I was chased

1294
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,479
by cows and they were kind of hurt me and

1295
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:14,840
you know, hint my fear. And so she's like, oh, honey, no, no, no,

1296
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,960
you don't. You don't need to be scared of them.

1297
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,239
They don't even have teeth, and so, you know, that

1298
01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:24,239
was kind of like a oh, yeah, I know, you're right.

1299
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,479
They may be thousands of pounds, but they don't have teeth,

1300
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,600
so they can't chew me up. It's fine. Disclaimer, cows

1301
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:31,039
have teeth.

1302
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:36,399
Speaker 3: I don't know if any cow that eats flesh, but

1303
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:37,880
I guess it's a possibility.

1304
01:18:38,039 --> 01:18:40,279
Speaker 2: Anything's possible, right, Yeah, I.

1305
01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 3: Know cows do buy. I've seen cows get nibbled. I've

1306
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,840
actually been bit by a cow. It didn't hurt. But

1307
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,439
like they're biting my clothes.

1308
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little pinch.

1309
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, But same thing with goats.

1310
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, goat and donkeys and yeah, they all like pincha

1311
01:18:53,319 --> 01:18:56,399
with them big old teeth of theirs. But for years,

1312
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,800
I mean that happened when I was sixteen or seventeen,

1313
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,720
and the instance that you know, our daughter was I

1314
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,199
was probably twenty twenty one. It's only had been several

1315
01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:14,880
years since that occurred. And here she was saying, Grandma

1316
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,199
Jackie says, cass don't have teeth, and like I said,

1317
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:21,760
I sat up. That was like, oh my what. But

1318
01:19:22,079 --> 01:19:24,119
you know, we never really paid much attention to the

1319
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:28,640
angels in her room, just because we knew we weren't

1320
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,960
touching them, and we knew she wasn't touching them because

1321
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,800
she wouldn't even play in there, like we put all

1322
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,840
her toys out in the living room, like she would

1323
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,239
go in there after she was asleep. We would take

1324
01:19:37,239 --> 01:19:40,279
her in there to go to bed, because you know,

1325
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,319
it was a trailer, it wasn't much space. But she

1326
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:45,159
wouldn't even play in there, so we knew she wasn't

1327
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,920
messing with them. But the ones in the top of

1328
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:55,680
the closet were turned. And shortly after we noticed that

1329
01:19:55,720 --> 01:20:00,880
they were turned, was you know, when the there's they're

1330
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,760
here comment happened and things like that, So it was like,

1331
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,239
is that somehow related? Like looking back now, it's like,

1332
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:13,000
is that somehow related to them being turned? Like did

1333
01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:16,079
whatever she's seen and nobody else could see have something

1334
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:19,680
to do with that? Or you know, completely unexplainable.

1335
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:22,520
Speaker 3: I think children have the ability to see things that

1336
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,439
we are not able to see. Oh yeah, I agree.

1337
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,279
Speaker 2: Her one of her dad's best friends, we called him

1338
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:33,119
her uncle for years. He was tragically killed in a

1339
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:41,439
motorcycle accident. And she would have been five five and

1340
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:45,720
a half maybe at the time of that happening. She

1341
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,760
may have been moved six. I don't know, she's somewhere

1342
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,520
between five and six, you know, And we were all

1343
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,439
of course really upset because you know, he was somebody

1344
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,239
close to all of us, and she kept telling us,

1345
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:59,039
don't be sad. I still get to see him. I

1346
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:02,359
still get to see him. It's okay. And you know,

1347
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:06,680
we truly believe, like especially after the Grandma incident, you know,

1348
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:12,720
with mentioning something, she should have never known that somehow,

1349
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,800
some way she did see them.

1350
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 3: It will point do kids stop seeing that though? I

1351
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,760
think there's I think there's an age where they kind

1352
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:29,760
of start to not be able to see it. Yeah,

1353
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:35,199
some still do. Well for modern reference, this was just

1354
01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:40,439
the other day. She lives in our basement. She doesn't

1355
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,159
like living in the basement because she says she always

1356
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:45,000
feels like someone's watching her. She lives in the basement.

1357
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:46,239
Who's watching her?

1358
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: Right?

1359
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no windows than even the small little access

1360
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,640
window per se is covered by a tapestry.

1361
01:21:53,119 --> 01:21:55,520
Speaker 3: On the wall, right, So there's no way anything can

1362
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:56,399
be watching.

1363
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 2: But she does feel that she's does. And you know,

1364
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,960
she doesn't like to go any places that are super

1365
01:22:04,039 --> 01:22:08,079
dark or you know, anything like that because she still

1366
01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:10,760
feels like somebody's watching her. And we've struggled with dreams

1367
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:17,039
with her up until she was probably seven almost eight

1368
01:22:17,119 --> 01:22:20,239
we moved out of that house, thank goodness. I mean

1369
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,319
it has since been torn down. There was a family

1370
01:22:22,319 --> 01:22:26,560
who moved in after I moved out, and they were

1371
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:32,319
there for six months and they left, So you know,

1372
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:36,640
I truly believe there was something about that six month mark.

1373
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 3: How many the years were you there for? Then almost five? Okay,

1374
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:49,640
and then we've been together since beginning middle somewhat beginning

1375
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,960
of twenty eighteen, so we've been together for almost seven years.

1376
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:03,199
When I've got with you, she wasn't really having the issues,

1377
01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:05,920
but she still would have night terrors every once in a.

1378
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,159
Speaker 2: While, and that scream that screams something you'd never forget

1379
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:10,039
when they would complain that.

1380
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:18,119
Speaker 3: And she also had a lot of weird vomiting mellow

1381
01:23:18,119 --> 01:23:23,479
of the night. That is when I had I never

1382
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,359
had children up until we got together, so for thirty

1383
01:23:26,359 --> 01:23:28,560
five years I was never around children. And I have

1384
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,319
a very weak stomach for anyone out there waiting up

1385
01:23:32,319 --> 01:23:34,600
in the middle of light hearing a child screaming, going

1386
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,880
in there and seeing, because you were very pregnant at

1387
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:42,840
the time, seeing that massacre of.

1388
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and you know that initial fear that you're

1389
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,439
feeling when you hear them screaming like that. I mean,

1390
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,880
it's like it's literally a gout rid ching. Why are

1391
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,680
they screaming at that house? You know, she was upstairs,

1392
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:55,960
we were downstairs.

1393
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,520
Speaker 3: I never once had any weird vibes at that house.

1394
01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:59,359
Speaker 2: Now. I love that house.

1395
01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:01,239
Speaker 3: That would have been the house else that I thought

1396
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,039
would have been creepy because it was one hundred and

1397
01:24:04,079 --> 01:24:07,399
something years old. Yeah, it was built in eighteen something.

1398
01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:09,239
Speaker 2: Eighteen ninety something.

1399
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,079
Speaker 3: At eighteen ninety one.

1400
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a really old house.

1401
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 3: But it was beautiful. Yeah, and not ones did I

1402
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,000
ever have a weird vibe at that place.

1403
01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I was looking at houses to move,

1404
01:24:19,039 --> 01:24:21,960
that's actually why part of why I chose that house.

1405
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,520
I walked in a couple other ones and was like,

1406
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,640
h I don't like it. I walked in that one

1407
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,640
and I felt calm, And that was the first time

1408
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,880
I'd walked into a house and felt calm in a

1409
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:33,399
long time.

1410
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was I never had any issues there, and

1411
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,760
even to this day, I kind of still miss it.

1412
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish we could have picked it up and

1413
01:24:42,399 --> 01:24:43,560
moved it to where we're at now.

1414
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 3: Speaking of where we're at now, the story does it

1415
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:52,920
end here. It'll for anyone that's paid attention to the show.

1416
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,359
I've talked about this before, but it's better, I think,

1417
01:24:56,399 --> 01:25:00,960
to hear it from not just myself, because even though

1418
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,920
you're my wife, I still thin could give some bit

1419
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,720
of credibility to the whole thing, because I'm not the

1420
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,119
only lunatic that's seen.

1421
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 2: It all right, Yeah, yeah, But.

1422
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 3: Basically what happened once we moved in.

1423
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: Here, So we only had three of our kids at

1424
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,000
that point, and so they were all upstairs. We didn't

1425
01:25:22,039 --> 01:25:25,199
have any bedrooms or anything downstairs, so the girls shared

1426
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:28,680
a room. They had bunk beds, and our youngest daughter

1427
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,920
was stoked, like so excited.

1428
01:25:32,039 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 3: She was not even two years old.

1429
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was little. And one night, you know, the

1430
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:41,960
people that lived here prior were older people, and they

1431
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,800
still had the pull down blinds that you got to

1432
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,600
like pull on at a right angle to get it

1433
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,600
to stay down, and you pull it at a different

1434
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,840
angle and it can like shoot back up profest. And

1435
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,399
we hadn't changed those out just because they did block

1436
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:03,119
really good amount of light. And we were laying there

1437
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:07,640
one night and uh, I don't even remember what time

1438
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:08,079
it was.

1439
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,199
Speaker 3: I mean it was probably about ten thirty.

1440
01:26:11,319 --> 01:26:13,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think we were asleep.

1441
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 3: We weren't. We actually just laid down finally fell asleep.

1442
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were laying there and that blind shot up,

1443
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,039
and of course, you know, we jumped because they're not quiet.

1444
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,399
When they shoot up like that, they kind of like

1445
01:26:28,039 --> 01:26:29,720
bud up against the window frame.

1446
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 3: Kind of scares out of you.

1447
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little bit. So of course we were like,

1448
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,760
oh ha ha ha something, you know, messed with them,

1449
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,319
just trying of joking. And then the next thing we know,

1450
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:45,560
we hear mine in a very low, deep male voice

1451
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:49,800
come from the baby monitor and we were both looked

1452
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,199
at each other as said, uh what, And of course

1453
01:26:54,199 --> 01:27:00,960
we went and grabbed our daughter immediately. That was, you know,

1454
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,920
a very interesting, strange thing to occur. And then I

1455
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,800
was giving her a bath, I think it would either

1456
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,880
the next day or maybe two days later, and I

1457
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:15,479
noticed she had scratches on her back in a pattern

1458
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,279
of three from you know, at the top of her

1459
01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:20,279
shoulder down toward the middle of her back.

1460
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:28,159
Speaker 3: We took everyone's hand, and the only person that could

1461
01:27:28,199 --> 01:27:30,279
have done that because of the spacing, would have been me.

1462
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was big, and you know, our other children

1463
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:40,600
at the time were only eight, nine, eight and ten something.

1464
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 3: Like that, not even ten inches. There had been nine

1465
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,560
and nine and seven.

1466
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean they were young, so they didn't

1467
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:51,399
have huge hands, you know, and we tried, okay, maybe

1468
01:27:51,399 --> 01:27:53,520
the cat did it. Well, clearly, a cat's paul is

1469
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:54,880
way smaller than a hand.

1470
01:27:55,119 --> 01:27:57,520
Speaker 3: And for reference, the cat didn't have claws. He had

1471
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,560
been to Claude when I got him, like I got

1472
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,640
every make main society at the time, and he had

1473
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:02,239
no claws.

1474
01:28:02,359 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1475
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,279
Speaker 2: And the other cat that we had, we didn't even

1476
01:28:05,319 --> 01:28:07,600
have her, Nala. Yeah we had Nala.

1477
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,359
Speaker 3: Did we ever brought in at that time?

1478
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1479
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 2: I remember Nala as the cat. I haven't I met you, No.

1480
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 3: I know that, but I thought that Okay, yeah, they

1481
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:15,760
would have been brought back in here.

1482
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, they came from your friend's house at the same time.

1483
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:21,319
Speaker 3: We had our cat staying with a friend while we

1484
01:28:21,319 --> 01:28:24,479
were removing because it took several months to get moved.

1485
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a nightmare.

1486
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 3: That is the worst part of the whole story is

1487
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,840
having to live in a camper trailer in your parents'

1488
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:31,760
driveway for like three months.

1489
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,039
Speaker 2: With three kids and two dogs. Not one dog was

1490
01:28:35,079 --> 01:28:39,640
not small. It was a boxer. So but you know,

1491
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,560
even Nala, Nala never really went into the bedrooms, but

1492
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,720
we even held her pall up and it was too small.

1493
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,199
I mean, the spacing between them would have been you know,

1494
01:28:52,319 --> 01:28:54,199
like you had your fingers spread wide open.

1495
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very wide. I have huge hands, I'm

1496
01:28:58,039 --> 01:29:03,720
a large person, and the space scene between the fingers

1497
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,880
has to have been several inches, so I think there's

1498
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,239
almost like a six inch space from the one to

1499
01:29:08,279 --> 01:29:08,720
the other.

1500
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 2: That end one. Yeah, it was big. And of course

1501
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,039
you know what how why where?

1502
01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 3: The number three is always significant when you hear things

1503
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:25,279
like this too, because when you look into paranormal activity stuff,

1504
01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:27,600
when people talk about demonic stuff and people say they

1505
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,680
get scratched, it always seems to be in threes.

1506
01:29:30,079 --> 01:29:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And you know, our older daughter wasn't having

1507
01:29:34,279 --> 01:29:37,039
any issues. She wasn't hearing anything, she wasn't seeing anything.

1508
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,039
So it's almost like, you know, she had exited that

1509
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,079
age where they're susceptible to it.

1510
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 3: And our daughter is that aide where the activity was

1511
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,800
starting for you originally with Yeah?

1512
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, minus you know the levitating adultest one was younger

1513
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:57,000
for that, but yeah, that's seeing things and mentioning them

1514
01:29:57,079 --> 01:29:59,800
and things like that. It was rough with the same age,

1515
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,159
you know. Yeah, after that, you kind of did your

1516
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:07,760
little whatever's here needs to leave kind of thing around

1517
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:08,199
the house.

1518
01:30:08,319 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 3: And I'd threatened it and taunted it.

1519
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, it wasn't very professional per se. But

1520
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,680
you know, she's left in our room because we were

1521
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,439
a paranoid, you know, and the people are like, oh

1522
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,760
my gosh, you left your other daughter in there. She

1523
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:28,960
wasn't having any issues, Like, she wasn't experiencing anything. There

1524
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,039
was nothing happening for her, so obviously had anything happen

1525
01:30:33,079 --> 01:30:34,680
with her, we would have like, okay, you can come

1526
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,159
lumber party in our room too.

1527
01:30:36,399 --> 01:30:40,079
Speaker 3: But here's the other thing. It was, we had three

1528
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:41,640
kids that are all right beside each.

1529
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 2: Other nother all of our rooms like basically touched.

1530
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,399
Speaker 3: None of the other ones ever said anything. They were

1531
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,199
never afraid, they never had any feelings, and for the

1532
01:30:50,199 --> 01:30:54,319
most part, I've never once had a weird feeling except

1533
01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:56,840
for that one time out than her painting. Before painting, yeah,

1534
01:30:58,199 --> 01:31:01,199
and the dog was growling and hit a creaky board

1535
01:31:01,239 --> 01:31:04,760
in the living room, steering at nothing but growling constantly.

1536
01:31:05,279 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh, mister pop.

1537
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, rest in peace, mister poop.

1538
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,279
Speaker 2: You know. So she slept in our room basically for

1539
01:31:15,319 --> 01:31:16,199
the next several years.

1540
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 3: Then, well it was up until Declan had been born.

1541
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she still I just slept in there

1542
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,199
a little bit. I mean, shoot, she's stuck them in there.

1543
01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1544
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,279
Speaker 2: And he's three.

1545
01:31:27,359 --> 01:31:28,600
Speaker 3: He sleeps in the room now too.

1546
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1547
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 3: Which we'll get to that here in a minute. Because

1548
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:33,720
it seems to just.

1549
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 2: Keep Yeah, it never stops, never stops.

1550
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 3: So basically, after I went through the house and I

1551
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,279
threatened this thing traveled that it didn't need to be here,

1552
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,800
it had to go away. It's not welcome. And then

1553
01:31:49,119 --> 01:31:54,680
I used specific religious vibe things and sayings to it,

1554
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:58,199
and I took whatever whatever means I thought I could.

1555
01:31:58,319 --> 01:32:02,960
I thought again, because I hadn't experienced anything, I hadn't

1556
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:06,239
noticed anything, I thought maybe we were past that.

1557
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think we're ever gonna get past that. Like,

1558
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,439
you know, I don't even remember. I probably been about

1559
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:24,479
a year ago. You know, we have our tooth incident.

1560
01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a minute. There is a

1561
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:38,199
lot more that happened right after this. Her imaginary friend,

1562
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:43,159
Oh Chloe, Okay, So you're looking at me like I'm crazy, Like, well.

1563
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 2: My brain, mom, brain. Yeah. So she started. You know,

1564
01:32:48,119 --> 01:32:50,920
she was an quote unquote only child in the sense

1565
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,079
of close to her age. Her siblings were older. They

1566
01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:55,119
would leave every other weekend and go to their dad's house.

1567
01:32:56,039 --> 01:32:59,880
So she learned to play alone because she had to.

1568
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,840
But then we started noticing that she was playing alone

1569
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,039
but acting like somebody was there with her, and talking

1570
01:33:09,319 --> 01:33:12,720
like she's talking to somebody, and making us leave a

1571
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,039
spot open on the couch, and making us put a

1572
01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:17,720
spot at the table, and like all of these things,

1573
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,199
which at first it's like, oh, Okay, she has an

1574
01:33:20,199 --> 01:33:22,720
imaginary friend whatever, And I.

1575
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,079
Speaker 3: Mentally creeped out because they creeped me out in general.

1576
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,159
Speaker 2: And I remember having an imaginary friend, but.

1577
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 3: What if it wasn't an imaginary.

1578
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing. I remember, you know, the house

1579
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,399
when we were little, but also we had a little

1580
01:33:36,399 --> 01:33:40,640
boy who lived under our stairs, so you know, and

1581
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,359
my sisters. I have three sisters, so they all kind

1582
01:33:43,399 --> 01:33:45,800
of know about that one. He would play tricks and

1583
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:47,600
do silly stuff.

1584
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 3: But you literally just said in the beginning that you

1585
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:50,560
don't believe in that.

1586
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 2: I don't because I still in my mind to convince

1587
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,319
myself it had to have been one of my sisters. Now,

1588
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:59,640
the little boy, like I remember, we used to run

1589
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,399
down this stairs to try not to get touched because

1590
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,319
like you know that eerie, oh my gosh, somebody kind

1591
01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:07,079
of grabbed my foot feeling when you're running down in

1592
01:34:07,079 --> 01:34:10,479
set of open stairs. That that was that like, that

1593
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:15,640
was that feely. But he would like dump milk and

1594
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,439
then we would get in trouble. But we didn't do it.

1595
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,000
So like in my mind, I'm still saying my little

1596
01:34:21,039 --> 01:34:22,920
sister did it because she was a little sneaky thing

1597
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:29,600
and to get everybody in trouble. Yeah, so but you know,

1598
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,399
so that was my imaginary friend that me and my

1599
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,000
sisters still to this day or like it was not

1600
01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:37,960
an imaginary He wore a baseball cap and blue jeans

1601
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,760
and a T shirt and he lived underneath the stairs.

1602
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,520
Speaker 3: Where did our daughter's imaginary friend live?

1603
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 2: Which time under our son's bed well or under the house.

1604
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,840
First it was yeah, first it was under her floor.

1605
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 3: It was under her floor. And then the joke was

1606
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:56,640
because I made reference.

1607
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,199
Speaker 2: Yeah after that she lived underneath his bed could see

1608
01:34:59,199 --> 01:34:59,760
the big chicken.

1609
01:35:00,079 --> 01:35:02,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I made a joke about it, because at

1610
01:35:02,079 --> 01:35:04,399
the time we were just thinking it's an imaginary right, yeah,

1611
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:05,840
and he was creeped out by it.

1612
01:35:06,119 --> 01:35:08,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean he's creeped out by a lot

1613
01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:10,920
of things, most everything. God bless a soul.

1614
01:35:11,079 --> 01:35:16,399
Speaker 3: But uh no, he uh yeah, we've said that the

1615
01:35:16,399 --> 01:35:19,520
the maginary friend lives under his bed and she.

1616
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,399
Speaker 2: Ran with it. Yeah, I mean, because you know, everybody giggles,

1617
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:23,399
bubby scared.

1618
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,119
Speaker 3: The original thing was when we asked where she's from,

1619
01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:27,199
she said she lived under the.

1620
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 2: Floor, right yeah, and you know the way our house

1621
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,800
obviously is, which obviously you know but they don't. We

1622
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,520
have a basement on half of the house and then

1623
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,319
a cross base where the bedrooms are on the other half.

1624
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:40,359
Yat with the bedrooms and bathroom and stuff like that

1625
01:35:40,399 --> 01:35:43,199
are so yeah, I've been You're like, oh, well, you know,

1626
01:35:43,359 --> 01:35:45,319
just trying to get a feel for where this friend

1627
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,119
came from. You know, well, where does she live at?

1628
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:55,039
Under my floor? Oh? Oh, okay, what's her name? Chloe?

1629
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:57,479
And she was obsessed with Louis at the time, still

1630
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:01,760
is really but I'm like, oh, the Dalmatian, it's not Yeah,

1631
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:02,399
that's where.

1632
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:04,399
Speaker 3: She got that name. Fro him big. We left it

1633
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:07,039
alone for a while, and then for some reason she

1634
01:36:07,119 --> 01:36:09,640
kept talking about it again, and I decided to ask

1635
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,840
her what is Chloe? Like, what's Chloe look like? Who

1636
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,439
is she? What is she look like?

1637
01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:15,319
Speaker 1: Like?

1638
01:36:16,039 --> 01:36:19,399
Speaker 3: Oh, she's a ghost. Well she said she's purple.

1639
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:22,159
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so she told me she's a ghost. Tells

1640
01:36:22,199 --> 01:36:23,399
you she's purple.

1641
01:36:24,359 --> 01:36:26,199
Speaker 3: Oh no, she said to me she was a ghost.

1642
01:36:26,279 --> 01:36:28,199
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, And why is she purple?

1643
01:36:29,359 --> 01:36:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? Dad, she said she's purple. I said, why is

1644
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,000
she purple? She's like, because she's a ghost. Yeah, Like,

1645
01:36:34,039 --> 01:36:36,600
what do you mean, She's like, uh, she's dead.

1646
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're like, uh, hang on, you said she

1647
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,760
And then you had her draw it, like what does

1648
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:44,840
Chloe look like? And it was a creepy I wish

1649
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:51,920
we still had a purple figure with funky eyes and yeah,

1650
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,359
and then you asked, You told you didn't ask. You

1651
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,239
told her that she is to tell Chloe she is

1652
01:36:56,279 --> 01:36:58,640
no longer welcome here and she needs to leave, right,

1653
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,039
you know. And at that time we also had noticed

1654
01:37:02,119 --> 01:37:06,800
in the top corner of her bedroom there would be

1655
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:11,479
water droplets, not like droplets that are dripping, because like

1656
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,600
her bed was never wet the light underneath her bed

1657
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,399
was never wet or underneath that spot was never wet.

1658
01:37:17,279 --> 01:37:19,960
They just were there, and we kind of said, oh,

1659
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,479
it's condensation, because you know, maybe the wind's coming from

1660
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:26,600
that way or whatever. And that room is always the

1661
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:28,359
cold dist room in the house.

1662
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 3: We've had someone go up into the attic and look

1663
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,439
and it's completely bone dry in that corner. Yeah, it

1664
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:34,680
could be.

1665
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, crap, maybe the roof's leaking and there's

1666
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,039
a warranty on the metal roof, so we need to

1667
01:37:39,079 --> 01:37:42,039
see if it's leaking. And they're like, uh, nothing leaking

1668
01:37:42,079 --> 01:37:45,359
in here. Yeah, So you know, and the fact that

1669
01:37:45,399 --> 01:37:47,560
it didn't drip, but we could wipe it off with

1670
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:51,279
a rag, it's still strange. And we bought covers for

1671
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:53,800
the vents to make sure it wasn't a condensation thing.

1672
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,600
We put the bed over the vents, like, and it

1673
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:57,520
still appears.

1674
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 3: M that's not all the time. It's not just always

1675
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,439
holding water dripping, but doesn't really drip. It literally only

1676
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,640
does it every once in a couple of months.

1677
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, at first we noticed it the

1678
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,239
first time ever in the wintertime, which is where that

1679
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:15,880
condensation thought came from. But then we've noticed it in

1680
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,079
every season since then, and.

1681
01:38:19,079 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 3: There's no explanation as to what it's from.

1682
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,279
Speaker 2: Or why it doesn't drip like normal water.

1683
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:24,039
Speaker 1: Right.

1684
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:29,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, during this whole time, when this was going on,

1685
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:30,800
and she would come into our room or she would

1686
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,720
be staying in our room, she would tell us she

1687
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:34,800
had bad dreams.

1688
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was something I even mentioned to you,

1689
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,079
I think a couple of times, like, hey, if I

1690
01:38:41,159 --> 01:38:46,079
used to do this all the time, like, you know,

1691
01:38:46,119 --> 01:38:49,039
the oldest always said she had bad dreams. She had

1692
01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:51,039
bad dreams. Even the nights that she didn't wake up

1693
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:53,840
screaming run into my room, she had bad dreams, right,

1694
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,840
So you know, we kind of thought it was strange

1695
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:02,439
that these dreams were happening to her too, But obviously

1696
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,520
everybody has bad dreams, right, you know, the way our

1697
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:12,880
brain unfortunately functions. But this became a very very regular thing.

1698
01:39:13,239 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's always wanting to be in our room.

1699
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:21,279
Our youngest, our son had been born just about nine

1700
01:39:21,279 --> 01:39:24,039
months after we moved in. We moved into a smaller.

1701
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 2: House, thinking we were done having kids.

1702
01:39:26,359 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 3: And as we're moving in, you.

1703
01:39:28,359 --> 01:39:30,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think we were completely moved in

1704
01:39:30,399 --> 01:39:32,279
yet I think you guys were out in the backyard

1705
01:39:32,319 --> 01:39:34,680
and loading stuff and I had gone to the grocery

1706
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,560
store and was like, hmm, I really want this drink.

1707
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:43,560
Oh crap, and that's how it went. But yeah, so, yeah,

1708
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,680
he was just born, you know, right after we moved in,

1709
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,000
and we ended up putting a pack and play in

1710
01:39:49,039 --> 01:39:52,359
the bedroom, not for the baby, but for the toddler

1711
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,840
because she still would not sleep in her room.

1712
01:39:54,960 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 3: Right, And she started to after the whole Chloe incident.

1713
01:40:04,119 --> 01:40:06,319
She didn't talk about Chloe anymore, but she started to

1714
01:40:06,319 --> 01:40:08,560
talk about something else and I forget what it was,

1715
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:12,600
but I told her to stop talking to things.

1716
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was telling the other two kids about

1717
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:22,279
it too, and they mentioned it. That's weird why she ain't creepy, right, I.

1718
01:40:22,199 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 3: Don't even remember what. I just told her, like, you

1719
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:25,079
need to stop talking about it.

1720
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1721
01:40:25,359 --> 01:40:27,359
Speaker 3: I don't get at these things, don't.

1722
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 2: It was something in the car, like we were in

1723
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,000
the car and she mentioned we were going to Walmart

1724
01:40:33,279 --> 01:40:35,760
and she mentioned it and we were kind of like what,

1725
01:40:37,079 --> 01:40:39,520
And then she mentioned it again here at the house

1726
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,159
and you were like, uh no, Like we told you, Chloe,

1727
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:45,439
you had to leave you nobody else is coming here either.

1728
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 3: Where did she tell us Chloe went do you remember

1729
01:40:50,119 --> 01:40:50,960
the other side?

1730
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,159
Speaker 2: Or she went on or something like.

1731
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 3: That, she's on the other side.

1732
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:56,600
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I say it was something really stranged.

1733
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 3: We were like, h was like the other side a lot,

1734
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:03,680
She's like the world. Yeah, I'm We're like, yeah, she

1735
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:04,720
went to the other side.

1736
01:41:05,399 --> 01:41:08,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. So and you know, obviously that.

1737
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:09,159
Speaker 3: Three year old shouldn't know.

1738
01:41:09,279 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they like young kids, don't it's.

1739
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,119
Speaker 3: A very stand that very weird to say certain things

1740
01:41:15,159 --> 01:41:17,680
like that, and for anyone listening, like, oh, she's really young.

1741
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,800
You don't know our daughter she is so stink and smart.

1742
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,840
And we're not just saying because we're the parents, but

1743
01:41:25,039 --> 01:41:25,920
like literally.

1744
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 2: I mean it's had her parent teacher conference and they

1745
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:29,520
were like, yeah, she's at the top, Like she is

1746
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:30,159
so smart.

1747
01:41:31,039 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 3: So she's always been able to talk. Yeah she was

1748
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:38,199
a very young age. Yeah, full sentences, yes, or she

1749
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:40,800
was two years old, she could have full conversation with you.

1750
01:41:41,079 --> 01:41:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1751
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,119
Speaker 3: So that is why I thought it was weird when

1752
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:48,199
she was having these conversations with things that aren't there.

1753
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:51,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't exist to us at least.

1754
01:41:51,399 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 1: So.

1755
01:41:53,159 --> 01:41:58,119
Speaker 3: We thought we were done with all of that, I

1756
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:01,680
was I started doing this show. So everyone says, ooh,

1757
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:04,800
because of what I do. I bring in these.

1758
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:08,159
Speaker 2: Vibes and you open doors, and but this.

1759
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:11,359
Speaker 3: All was going on prior to me ever doing this. Yes,

1760
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,279
I've been doing this for a little over two years,

1761
01:42:13,279 --> 01:42:15,439
and the weird stuff had been going on prior to that.

1762
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been here for four years.

1763
01:42:17,359 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 1: So and.

1764
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:24,520
Speaker 3: Started doing this. She started having the bad dreams when

1765
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,720
she was in school. She was going to preschool at three.

1766
01:42:27,279 --> 01:42:30,159
She loved school, still loves school, but do you remember

1767
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:33,319
that little bit of a phase that winter that she

1768
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:37,239
didn't like going She was crying a lot. They even

1769
01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:38,960
asked her for there's many Yeah, yeah.

1770
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 2: There was something happening at home that they should be

1771
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,880
aware of or like, what's going on? And I mean,

1772
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,119
you know, we kind of tried to push it off

1773
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:49,840
as she's just going through an emotional three year old

1774
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:52,680
toddler stage because you know, they say the terrible twos

1775
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:58,119
treacherous threes. But this was excessive. I mean, she would

1776
01:42:58,119 --> 01:43:01,880
just have outbursts to the point where she was un consolable,

1777
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:09,560
and there was no explanation as to why, at least

1778
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,600
not that we could immediately think of.

1779
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:20,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. When I started doing this show, someone

1780
01:43:20,039 --> 01:43:22,199
had sent that warning to me. And there's some random

1781
01:43:22,199 --> 01:43:24,279
person on a Facebook comment that I don't know, but

1782
01:43:24,319 --> 01:43:27,039
they claim when you they worried about me and my family.

1783
01:43:27,039 --> 01:43:28,600
And I said, what do you mean? And they said, well,

1784
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,319
when you start looking into things, things start looking back.

1785
01:43:31,359 --> 01:43:35,840
And I didn't take any believable credibility or anything about that,

1786
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:36,479
because we.

1787
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,239
Speaker 2: Literally laughed about it, like when you came upstairs and

1788
01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:40,840
you were telling me, because you know, you used to

1789
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,800
record in the garage and then in the basement all

1790
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,600
that stuff. You told me about it, and I was like,

1791
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:49,680
oh my gosh, Like, how ridiculous. They're trying to scare you.

1792
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 3: Noah, it didn't work.

1793
01:43:53,319 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 2: Here we are two years later.

1794
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like but they tend to agree though, no, I

1795
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:02,159
absolutely do. Yeah, Like my perspective has changed a lot,

1796
01:44:02,199 --> 01:44:05,319
because when I started doing the show, I didn't imagine

1797
01:44:05,319 --> 01:44:07,159
here I am one hundred and fifty something episodes into

1798
01:44:07,239 --> 01:44:14,920
it already, that this would be where it's even at today.

1799
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,399
But not even that. But like, my whole believable side

1800
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,039
is whatever. Like I had my own opinions. I'm very skeptical,

1801
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:24,359
but I'm a lot more open to things now than

1802
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:28,159
I ever have been, and I don't know how to

1803
01:44:28,199 --> 01:44:30,239
go about it. And like I said, you don't want

1804
01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:31,359
to believe No.

1805
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:33,520
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes it real. I'm not saying that they

1806
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:38,680
don't exist, but I refuse to say yes.

1807
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,079
Speaker 3: You don't want to give it power. Yeah, we've had

1808
01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:42,840
this conversation.

1809
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:43,359
Speaker 2: I have a lot.

1810
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:48,399
Speaker 3: So after the whole incident went by, I kind of

1811
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:50,520
put this show on the back burner for a little bits.

1812
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:53,119
That's when I was doing my six Months, wasn't it. Well.

1813
01:44:53,359 --> 01:44:56,359
I'd stopped recording in March and I didn't start back

1814
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,239
up till July. Yeah, so about four months. But I

1815
01:44:59,279 --> 01:45:00,960
was doing the other show, but I had so many

1816
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:04,880
of these episodes banked. I didn't do the interviews, but

1817
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,680
I still was releasing stuff up until the end of April.

1818
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:09,319
So there was like a three month gap of me

1819
01:45:09,399 --> 01:45:13,479
not doing stuff. Everything seemed to be okay, No, it.

1820
01:45:13,399 --> 01:45:16,359
Speaker 2: Was normal, like they didn't her dreams were better.

1821
01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 3: So I was just going to be done because I

1822
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:23,920
felt like maybe this was my fault, and as a parent,

1823
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:26,840
you don't want to do that type of stuff. But

1824
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:29,640
then for some reason, the show had started gaining a

1825
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:33,920
lot of traction, and people started messing me when you're

1826
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,079
going to release new stuff, new stuff? Someone wanted to

1827
01:45:36,119 --> 01:45:38,000
come on the show. I had people reaching out to me,

1828
01:45:38,119 --> 01:45:41,039
so I said, all right, well I'll start it back

1829
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:46,800
up and we'll see what happens. And for several months

1830
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:51,439
everything was fine, there were no issues, and then our

1831
01:45:52,079 --> 01:45:55,439
oldest decided to bring people over last about a year

1832
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:59,760
ago now and what do they what do they decide

1833
01:45:59,760 --> 01:45:59,920
to do?

1834
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,199
Speaker 2: Well, so we were upstairs again. Our oldest kids rooms

1835
01:46:04,199 --> 01:46:07,439
are in the basement, you know, like he said, We

1836
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:09,600
did move into a smaller house and then found out

1837
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,880
we were having another kid, so had to add some

1838
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:18,000
bedrooms and one of them so my son had, you know,

1839
01:46:18,119 --> 01:46:20,000
nobody here, so he wanted to hang out with his

1840
01:46:20,079 --> 01:46:23,119
sister and her friends. So he decided to help. And

1841
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:25,239
they come up and like, do you have any candles?

1842
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:29,760
And I'm like, no, not really, but I have this one.

1843
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:35,239
Like it doesn't smell good necessarily because I thought they

1844
01:46:35,279 --> 01:46:37,720
wanted candles to make the basement smell better. And anybody

1845
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:41,920
who has teenagers will understand where my thought process came from.

1846
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:45,439
There he need your stink. And we had four of

1847
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:51,680
them downstairs. So I was like, yeah, here's the scandal,

1848
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:57,520
like whatever, and you know, you said, I hope I'm

1849
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:59,680
not doing anything stupid.

1850
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:02,279
Speaker 3: The I be doing a friggin seance, was Mike exact word.

1851
01:47:02,359 --> 01:47:07,199
Speaker 2: Okay, well again, anything is stupid. And I'm like, oh no,

1852
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:14,720
they wouldn't do that. And within two minutes you're here screeching.

1853
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,119
I mean, these girls hit. I'm having sure my son

1854
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,279
wasn't included in that high pitch wheel. I'm sure he

1855
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,720
was high pitch screams, and then you know, people running

1856
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:29,399
up the stairs and they didn't, but yeah, he caught.

1857
01:47:29,399 --> 01:47:31,560
I know, he came upstairs and they're like, oh my god,

1858
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:35,159
we had this. And Brandon goes downstairs and and like

1859
01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:38,960
what are you doing? And they're like, well, you're making

1860
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,319
a Oigi board and we had these pencils and the

1861
01:47:41,399 --> 01:47:44,680
candles and da da da da, and they move and

1862
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:49,319
then Brandon of course lit into them about how stupid

1863
01:47:49,359 --> 01:47:52,000
that was, and you know the dangers of doing a

1864
01:47:52,039 --> 01:47:54,640
Oiji board and what it could open and things like that,

1865
01:47:55,159 --> 01:47:57,239
and of course that's geared them. Those bless those two

1866
01:47:57,319 --> 01:48:04,439
girls hearts. They've never been back one. So you know, afterwards,

1867
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,600
They're like, oh, no, no, no, no, we blew on it. Yeah,

1868
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:08,319
that's actually what happened. We blew the pencils.

1869
01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 3: It didn't actually move. And I told them it didn't

1870
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:12,600
matter whether you were you blow it or not, Like

1871
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,680
you're still doing something you shouldn't have been doing, and

1872
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:16,239
you're going to open a doorway and these things will

1873
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:17,640
follow you for the rest of your life. So you're

1874
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,640
going to be haunted forever by these demons that you're

1875
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:20,680
bringing over to this side.

1876
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:22,279
Speaker 2: And they said, yeah, we ain't never come back af

1877
01:48:22,319 --> 01:48:23,399
good day, good at bout.

1878
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 3: I said, that's fine, you take them to your house. Yeah,

1879
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:26,439
I don't want them here.

1880
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1881
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was jokingly. We were like we should

1882
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:32,399
have went and messed with the breaker and like really

1883
01:48:32,399 --> 01:48:32,840
got them.

1884
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:38,279
Speaker 3: But after that happened, it was probably another month or

1885
01:48:38,359 --> 01:48:45,279
so later. We're getting around November, and then stuff started

1886
01:48:45,279 --> 01:48:48,279
to happen again. And it was not stuff that I

1887
01:48:48,319 --> 01:48:54,600
thought was anything house related at first, because you remember

1888
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:56,560
when we saw the thing out in the field.

1889
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and before that we were convinced that there

1890
01:49:01,079 --> 01:49:04,359
was like flying saucers or something and end up being starlink.

1891
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:07,439
Speaker 3: No, that was when you were moved.

1892
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well do something out back. Yeah. And then

1893
01:49:10,119 --> 01:49:12,279
the light that randomly floated.

1894
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:15,279
Speaker 3: Out in the out past, yeah, the orange light. And

1895
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:19,239
I've criticized people on this show, not like a guest,

1896
01:49:19,239 --> 01:49:21,800
but I've made references to people I don't understand, like

1897
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:25,560
we all have phones. Everybody walks around with a phone

1898
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,359
that has a camera on it in their pocket.

1899
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:29,600
Speaker 2: Are we not taking a picture? You say, you see it,

1900
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:30,279
take a picture?

1901
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,239
Speaker 3: What the hell would we do? We stood out there,

1902
01:49:32,359 --> 01:49:34,840
got there and stared and watched it. Never once thought

1903
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:36,239
about recording. We watched it.

1904
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 2: It was almost like and I even actually joked about this,

1905
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:41,439
when you know, we talked, well, I talked about it

1906
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:43,239
with one of my sisters. I was like, hey, what's

1907
01:49:43,279 --> 01:49:49,600
almost like we were too engaged in it to even

1908
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:53,600
think about anything other than what the frick is that thing?

1909
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, because again my first thought process is when I

1910
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,960
see things, I got to document it. And I never

1911
01:50:00,039 --> 01:50:02,600
or I yelled for you guys to come outside, and

1912
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:02,960
we did.

1913
01:50:03,039 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all saw it, but then it was just gone.

1914
01:50:05,159 --> 01:50:09,439
I mean literally it was there. We're staring at it.

1915
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:12,760
We're like trying to figure out where that could be, like,

1916
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,920
what could have possibly made it happen, and then it

1917
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:20,239
was gone. It looked like slowly moved up and then finished.

1918
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 3: It looked like a flare, but flares wouldn't have went

1919
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:24,600
up like it was hovering in the same way.

1920
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:26,079
Speaker 2: You go up first and then.

1921
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it would have been in the same spot

1922
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:30,479
for a while. We watched it for like five to

1923
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:33,560
ten minutes, and then it moved over and up just

1924
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,880
a little bit and then just disappeared. No, it's gone.

1925
01:50:36,319 --> 01:50:39,560
So I thought it was a flare, if for intense

1926
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:41,880
purposes or whatever. I was always going to say it's

1927
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,520
just a flare, because that's me being skeptical about anything else.

1928
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,319
But I don't really think it was a flare. Yeah.

1929
01:50:47,319 --> 01:50:50,279
Speaker 2: Well, and we even asked, you know, your parents, who

1930
01:50:50,279 --> 01:50:53,920
don't live too far from here, have you seen anything

1931
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:58,000
like straight and there of course no.

1932
01:50:58,119 --> 01:51:05,119
Speaker 3: Well that started off some of the weirdness because a

1933
01:51:05,159 --> 01:51:10,960
couple weeks later, our youngest, all of a sudden, who

1934
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:15,000
has slept in his own room the entire basically his

1935
01:51:15,079 --> 01:51:16,960
whole life of two and a half years, that is

1936
01:51:17,039 --> 01:51:21,479
life he stayed in his room. He starts screaming and

1937
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:27,359
wants to come in our room because of what ghosts.

1938
01:51:28,199 --> 01:51:31,239
And if anyone knows this child, he is a complete

1939
01:51:31,279 --> 01:51:36,239
opposite of our daughter. She could talk on complete sentences.

1940
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:38,399
He barely spoke. He's just learning to speak now at

1941
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:43,039
three years old. And of all words, for him to

1942
01:51:43,159 --> 01:51:48,960
say ghost is a very very weird one because we

1943
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,479
don't watch anything with ghosts with him. He doesn't watch

1944
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,880
anything like that, Like he was a huge like I

1945
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:56,560
don't know, So for me, it's very.

1946
01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:00,359
Speaker 2: He's very easily like scared by even like shows that

1947
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,720
are sounding like they might be scary, even like the

1948
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,760
cartoons for kids like, so we never watched that kind

1949
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:06,600
of stuff around him.

1950
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for him to say ghost was just award.

1951
01:52:13,039 --> 01:52:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1952
01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 2: And then he comes in our room, lays down and

1953
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,840
you know where, getting everybody set up back in, going

1954
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:23,319
back to sleep, and he patting on you dunny, daddy

1955
01:52:23,359 --> 01:52:27,960
ghost daddy ghosts, and we're like what We're roll over

1956
01:52:28,039 --> 01:52:29,880
and he's planning and looking at the ceiling.

1957
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 3: We're like, he asked me, like what is he looking at?

1958
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:37,600
Like I'm not looking. I was still laying the other way.

1959
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:38,920
I didn't want to look. I didn't want to.

1960
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:40,720
Speaker 2: See it well, And so I was like, oh, it

1961
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:44,600
must be the shadow from the fan because you know,

1962
01:52:45,239 --> 01:52:46,840
gotta have a fan, and the fan had the light,

1963
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:53,680
and uh, I covered that, and he was still ghosts,

1964
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:57,680
day ghosts, and so of course we're like, oh my gosh.

1965
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,800
And then he asked for you to go get him

1966
01:53:01,079 --> 01:53:03,640
milk and you'd left the room.

1967
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 3: And this was a couple hours later.

1968
01:53:06,039 --> 01:53:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1969
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,439
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so everybody did eventually somewhat go to sleep.

1970
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:14,560
I say somewhat because this child never sleeps. He goes

1971
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:18,079
and gets milk. I said, day ghost gone ghost gombe daddy.

1972
01:53:18,319 --> 01:53:21,039
Now mind you the like you know, light in the

1973
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:22,119
fan that I had tried to.

1974
01:53:22,079 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 3: Cover still there.

1975
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 2: Everything was still there, like everything was the same, nothing changed.

1976
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:31,079
Speaker 3: Oh, day ghost comb Now I did happen to notice

1977
01:53:31,159 --> 01:53:34,000
something now and I made you do it, like move it.

1978
01:53:34,039 --> 01:53:38,399
But what was on the wall, the exterior wall, the

1979
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:41,399
exterior wall of the house was a an old.

1980
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:43,079
Speaker 2: Mirror that I had gotten from my grandparents and it

1981
01:53:43,119 --> 01:53:45,720
had only been there for a couple of days prior

1982
01:53:47,159 --> 01:53:49,239
to his ghost.

1983
01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:53,800
Speaker 3: And then I started to correlate things like please move

1984
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:54,359
that mirror.

1985
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you said to me about like you know,

1986
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,199
they say exterior while it's having mirrors on them, could

1987
01:53:59,319 --> 01:54:01,800
you know, be like a portal of some sort or something.

1988
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:04,640
Speaker 3: For anyone listening. You're gonna do the idea. Now that

1989
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:07,960
I am the crazy dad, I am the person that

1990
01:54:08,079 --> 01:54:11,880
is very superstitious these days. Back in the old days,

1991
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:15,199
I wouldn't think of anything like this because I didn't

1992
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:21,159
believe in any of this stuff. But the last seventeen

1993
01:54:21,239 --> 01:54:26,560
years I changed my perspectives a lot because of life. Yeah,

1994
01:54:27,039 --> 01:54:28,520
seeing things that shouldn't.

1995
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:30,399
Speaker 2: Exist, life changing somehow.

1996
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:36,399
Speaker 3: But about a week or so after this started happening,

1997
01:54:37,039 --> 01:54:39,239
I got home from work and you were at work

1998
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:43,560
before anyone had gotten home, and I noticed our dog

1999
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:47,720
was chewing on something. So I'm trying to see what

2000
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:51,439
she's eating, and she drops a tooth. So I'm like,

2001
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,199
why is she losing peace? I started looking at her mouth.

2002
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:57,920
I don't see any spots where she's missing a twos.

2003
01:54:58,000 --> 01:54:59,800
I checked the other dog. I don't see any spots

2004
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:01,439
for she would have been missing it till she was

2005
01:55:01,479 --> 01:55:05,960
missing teeth. But it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't. It didn't

2006
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:08,479
look like a dog. Looks like a kid too, So

2007
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:10,039
I was like, did one of the kids lose a tooth?

2008
01:55:10,079 --> 01:55:13,279
And like the tooth fairy quote, Unbo didn't take it.

2009
01:55:13,359 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 2: Right and yeah, and you know, obviously you saved it

2010
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:18,840
until I got home. Yeah, and you were showing me.

2011
01:55:19,479 --> 01:55:21,840
But uh, you know the first thing I did, because

2012
01:55:23,159 --> 01:55:26,439
I'm a parent, and you know, those first lost teeth,

2013
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:28,880
you got to like savor that for a while. But

2014
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:31,159
those were still there, Like the ones that I personally

2015
01:55:31,159 --> 01:55:35,920
had saved from our other children, those are still exactly aware.

2016
01:55:36,039 --> 01:55:38,600
And you know there's still four of them, two from

2017
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:42,039
each of them. They're still there. So I was like, well,

2018
01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:45,159
that's really monky. And you left it on the counter

2019
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:48,239
and I was like, uh, how about not? And I

2020
01:55:48,279 --> 01:55:51,119
threw it in the trash because I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

2021
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then two days later, I have video. I

2022
01:55:58,119 --> 01:56:00,000
don't delete things on my phone, which she's also think

2023
01:56:00,199 --> 01:56:00,680
is strange.

2024
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:02,399
Speaker 2: Well, it's not that I think it's strange because I

2025
01:56:02,399 --> 01:56:04,319
don't delete a lot of things, but like when it's

2026
01:56:04,319 --> 01:56:06,560
a video or a picture of the exact same thing

2027
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:09,279
fifteen times in a row, you could probably just save one.

2028
01:56:09,439 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, But like I take photos and

2029
01:56:12,079 --> 01:56:15,239
recordings and I don't delete stuff. So I have all

2030
01:56:15,279 --> 01:56:18,239
this documented. This is my own craziness way of going

2031
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:26,119
about things. But I recorded him, our youngest on the couch.

2032
01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:30,000
He'd come running out from the back room area and

2033
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:36,399
was saying, daddy, ghost ghosts. He's pointing ghost out, Hey,

2034
01:56:36,439 --> 01:56:41,680
ghost out. And you could tell by watching him and

2035
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:42,720
his mannerisms.

2036
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:44,479
Speaker 2: And do you sent me this video? I went home,

2037
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:45,079
I don't think.

2038
01:56:45,159 --> 01:56:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, out with friends. Yeah, all the weird stuff happens

2039
01:56:48,439 --> 01:56:49,680
when I'm here by myself.

2040
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:53,119
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. So everything happened with right.

2041
01:56:53,239 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 3: And he's freaking out because there is a ghost and he.

2042
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 2: Crawl up on a couch in that video with you

2043
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,880
and it's like cut it up behind you.

2044
01:57:06,119 --> 01:57:10,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, because of something. Yeah, it scared him from that

2045
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:21,560
back area. So I didn't see anything, nothing strange, And

2046
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:23,560
I think it was honestly. A few days before this

2047
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:25,720
happened is when we were coming home from the schools

2048
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:26,800
like winter carnival, and.

2049
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,640
Speaker 2: We saw it, Oh yeah, loading outside off front.

2050
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,399
Speaker 3: Another set of weird lights.

2051
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:33,279
Speaker 2: Well, and we tried to get a picture of video

2052
01:57:33,359 --> 01:57:34,479
and nothing would show up.

2053
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:37,720
Speaker 3: Well, you I gave you my phone. I remember this time.

2054
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:39,680
I gave you the phone to record it. You hit

2055
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,039
record and then you hit recording game. So we hit

2056
01:57:42,039 --> 01:57:44,279
a bump and then you didn't really record. Then you

2057
01:57:44,279 --> 01:57:45,920
start recording again, and by the time and we started

2058
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:49,319
recording again, it fades out and once we got in

2059
01:57:49,359 --> 01:57:50,560
the driveway, it's gone gone.

2060
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:53,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, like, you know, we tried, but

2061
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:55,279
it was like we couldn't get it. No matter what

2062
01:57:55,279 --> 01:57:56,199
we did, we couldn't get it.

2063
01:57:56,279 --> 01:58:00,119
Speaker 3: Like we saw that the four way stop sign, and

2064
01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:02,199
I'm like, I'm not It was only like a couple

2065
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:04,039
weeks prior that. I was like, we didn't record the

2066
01:58:04,159 --> 01:58:06,239
last time we saw something weird, so I'm definitely gonna

2067
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:08,399
record it now. And by the time we got to

2068
01:58:08,439 --> 01:58:12,399
actually recorded it, is it fun? What the hell was that?

2069
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:14,520
No idea? Is that related to any of the stuff.

2070
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:21,640
Who knows. But right after the whole ghost incident, I

2071
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:24,359
honestly think it was the very next day because that

2072
01:58:24,439 --> 01:58:29,880
happened on a Friday. The next day would have been Saturday,

2073
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:31,880
because that Sunday we had Christmas with your.

2074
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 2: Family, yep, and we were telling him about it.

2075
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 3: Well, that was the day that I had woken up.

2076
01:58:39,279 --> 01:58:43,439
I'd had that dream where these little pink you used

2077
01:58:43,439 --> 01:58:44,640
to have it pisses.

2078
01:58:44,319 --> 01:58:47,079
Speaker 2: Me off, I referenced earlier. Alien not nufucting. You're not

2079
01:58:47,079 --> 01:58:47,640
even in your.

2080
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:54,159
Speaker 3: Dreams we are. I don't find it amusing. I'm glad

2081
01:58:54,199 --> 01:58:58,560
you do. My son is screaming help, he's screaming for daddy.

2082
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:02,119
Daddy in these pink, little f nless she looking probably

2083
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:06,079
three foot tall, humanoid looking figures are taking him away,

2084
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:10,479
and he's screamed for me. And I'm kicking, I'm punching,

2085
01:59:11,479 --> 01:59:13,960
and I'm going after all these things to try and

2086
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:17,319
get to my son. And one of them comes up

2087
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:22,600
to me and touches my nostril. And as she's over

2088
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:25,359
here laughing for anyone listening, like she's just like losing

2089
01:59:25,359 --> 01:59:28,239
it because she thinks this is just hilarious.

2090
01:59:27,319 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 2: I think the next part is the funny part.

2091
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:34,039
Speaker 3: It isn't funny like you're laughing, because it's a nervous laugh.

2092
01:59:35,399 --> 01:59:36,359
Speaker 2: But do you look like you know me?

2093
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:42,159
Speaker 3: And I wake up instantly and he's not next to us.

2094
01:59:42,239 --> 01:59:44,439
He'd was sleeping in her bed. He'd crawled under the

2095
01:59:44,479 --> 01:59:45,760
covers and went to the foot of the bed. Has

2096
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:48,800
that ever happened before or after? But he's went under

2097
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:51,920
the cover, not under the covers. Yeah, No, he's never

2098
01:59:52,399 --> 01:59:54,039
until just recently started moving.

2099
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's picky about blankets, so he would never

2100
01:59:57,399 --> 01:59:59,920
go under our covers anyways.

2101
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:02,479
Speaker 3: Right, so I had to get him out from under

2102
02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:04,720
the coverage he's down by her feet and bring him

2103
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:08,279
up between us, and somehow I fell back to sleep.

2104
02:00:08,319 --> 02:00:10,239
And then the next morning, when I'd gotten up and

2105
02:00:10,279 --> 02:00:11,800
went to the bathroom, I had to look in the

2106
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:18,680
mirror and what was on the nostril blood? Why is

2107
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:23,039
that funny to you? I don't know, like, and you're

2108
02:00:23,079 --> 02:00:26,840
still laughing about this? And I told her about the dream.

2109
02:00:27,159 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 2: Now, mind you, I'm not the only one who laughed

2110
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:31,359
like my family about this whole family, and my whole

2111
02:00:31,359 --> 02:00:32,720
family is like, you're a psycho.

2112
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:34,720
Speaker 3: And I said, maybe it wasn't a dream, and you're

2113
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:36,199
all a bunch of freaking idiots.

2114
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:39,399
Speaker 2: Well maybe, but maybe if I didn't laugh about it, it

2115
02:00:39,399 --> 02:00:41,319
won't be real. That's my maca.

2116
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:44,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're also the person that's shut my arm and

2117
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:46,960
a door before and you laugh, he said, you close

2118
02:00:47,079 --> 02:00:49,640
my hand in a window and laugh like this is her,

2119
02:00:50,279 --> 02:00:50,760
This is my.

2120
02:00:51,039 --> 02:00:53,840
Speaker 2: Making with them. He was choking at dinner the back door.

2121
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:56,159
I used to be in MS for I had my

2122
02:00:56,239 --> 02:00:58,960
license for twelve years, did in MS and fire, and

2123
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:04,880
I cackling. He's literally across the table noticeably choking, Like

2124
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:06,800
I mean, it was very clear he was choking, and

2125
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:08,520
I couldn't help a laugh at him. So it's a

2126
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:10,199
very nervous coping habit.

2127
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 3: Anytime I get hurt or she does something, or if

2128
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:16,239
I'm apparently dying, I guess I'm screwed because the person

2129
02:01:16,279 --> 02:01:18,439
that's been trained to save people is not going to

2130
02:01:18,439 --> 02:01:19,800
save because she's just going to laugh.

2131
02:01:21,359 --> 02:01:23,399
Speaker 2: Don't worry, people that are listening, I'll save you, but

2132
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:24,880
for him, I'm just gonna laugh.

2133
02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they had a great laugh at my bloody nostril.

2134
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,680
Speaker 2: But probing of aliens up your nose.

2135
02:01:32,079 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 3: Explain to me, though, how that happen? Why was I

2136
02:01:36,039 --> 02:01:36,920
dreaming all of that?

2137
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:40,239
Speaker 2: This is how I have explained it to you and

2138
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:43,000
how I will convince myself for the rest of my life.

2139
02:01:43,399 --> 02:01:46,000
In your dream, they're poking you in the nose. So

2140
02:01:46,079 --> 02:01:50,000
you used your own finger and poked yourself in the nose, and.

2141
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:52,840
Speaker 3: It's totally the inside of My nose wasn't bloody.

2142
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:55,359
Speaker 2: No, it's just the outside. But in my brain that's

2143
02:01:55,359 --> 02:01:56,640
how we're going to process.

2144
02:01:56,319 --> 02:01:58,279
Speaker 3: The crusty blood was on the outside of my nose,

2145
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:00,800
on the rim of my nose, inside my nose, there

2146
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:02,000
was no blood again.

2147
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:03,399
Speaker 2: And there was that blood on your pillow or anything.

2148
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:06,880
So like again, I have to convince myself.

2149
02:02:09,319 --> 02:02:13,600
Speaker 3: So we go on vacation, we come back, and I

2150
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:15,079
didn't even tell you this for a couple of days

2151
02:02:15,079 --> 02:02:17,279
because I didn't want to freak out that and I

2152
02:02:17,279 --> 02:02:18,680
was already kind of still mad at you over the

2153
02:02:18,680 --> 02:02:21,800
whole laughing at my dreams. But where we keep all

2154
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:22,720
of our drinks.

2155
02:02:22,399 --> 02:02:25,800
Speaker 2: At in the fridge in the garage.

2156
02:02:26,279 --> 02:02:27,760
Speaker 3: So I woke up in the middle night and my

2157
02:02:27,800 --> 02:02:31,279
throat fell dry, and I went out to the garage

2158
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:33,760
and as I'm coming back.

2159
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:35,800
Speaker 2: In, I was this your little shadow pigure.

2160
02:02:36,439 --> 02:02:42,479
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, spoiler alert, yeah, sorry, And I see about

2161
02:02:42,479 --> 02:02:46,159
a fifteen inch little shadow running down the hallway and

2162
02:02:46,279 --> 02:02:48,560
ran right into our daughter's room where it's always the

2163
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:53,640
creepy room. And I just haul ass into her bedroom

2164
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:55,800
and I see nothing. She's sound asleep. This is one

2165
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:57,520
of the weird times that she was actually sleeping in

2166
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:01,680
her room. And be honest, she's knock on wood.

2167
02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:03,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've gotten to a good spot.

2168
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:05,880
Speaker 3: She's been staying in her room without any issues, and

2169
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:08,399
she doesn't even want lights on. She's the only kid

2170
02:03:08,479 --> 02:03:13,239
in our house. Kid shoot or okay, you especially want

2171
02:03:13,239 --> 02:03:15,359
a light on. I live with a bunch of chickens

2172
02:03:15,359 --> 02:03:17,000
and my daughter is the only one that is not

2173
02:03:17,159 --> 02:03:18,039
afraid of the dark.

2174
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:21,359
Speaker 2: Listen, if any of you have ever watched the movie

2175
02:03:21,359 --> 02:03:25,760
Tooth Fairy, you understand me. Tooth Fairy Darkness Falls is

2176
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:29,039
about a tooth fairy darkness false. Okay, listen, it's scary.

2177
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:32,680
Speaker 3: But anyways, I don't get to watch a lot of

2178
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:35,039
scary movies because if that's the movie that scares the

2179
02:03:35,079 --> 02:03:37,560
crap out of her, you know I'm a huge horror fan.

2180
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:39,319
I don't get to our first date.

2181
02:03:39,359 --> 02:03:41,680
Speaker 2: You made me watch it and I hit basically under

2182
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,960
the blankets eighty percent of that or behind you.

2183
02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyways, I see this shadow, I run in there,

2184
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:52,439
I don't find it. I don't say anything to you

2185
02:03:52,479 --> 02:03:58,840
for a couple of days, and then there's really not

2186
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:04,359
much going on. And then sometime in February, the oldest

2187
02:04:04,359 --> 02:04:07,520
son starts yelling at the dog because it's eating something.

2188
02:04:08,079 --> 02:04:12,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know she's notorious for finding anything and

2189
02:04:12,119 --> 02:04:13,439
chewing on so.

2190
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:19,319
Speaker 3: He gets her mouth open and a tooth falls out,

2191
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:21,880
and I go pick up the tooth and I'm like, oh,

2192
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:24,720
there's that tooth again. And then you're just literally sitting

2193
02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:26,479
in the chair and I could see the color of

2194
02:04:26,520 --> 02:04:29,600
your face completely like disappear, which for anyone that has

2195
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:32,920
ever seen you, you're not very colorful. You're you're you're

2196
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:34,720
pretty pasty.

2197
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so well, I remember I felt immediately nauseous,

2198
02:04:40,399 --> 02:04:42,680
like you were like, oh, look there's that tooth again.

2199
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:51,359
What like immediately wanted to throw up. And I said, no,

2200
02:04:52,039 --> 02:04:54,640
I threw that tooth away, and you were like, oh,

2201
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:58,880
maybe you thought you didn't you just you did it Like, no,

2202
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:01,000
I threw the tooth away. I took the trash out,

2203
02:05:01,640 --> 02:05:05,159
like I know that toothpoint in the trash.

2204
02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:08,199
Speaker 3: And I have photos of this tooth from when we

2205
02:05:08,279 --> 02:05:10,279
found it in December and into February, and if you

2206
02:05:10,279 --> 02:05:12,960
look at the photos, it is the same exact tooth

2207
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:15,239
because there's a little crack broke part to it and

2208
02:05:15,279 --> 02:05:16,359
it's identical.

2209
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:21,079
Speaker 2: Literally, yeah, and it is. There's no way that it's

2210
02:05:21,079 --> 02:05:23,600
not an animal tooth. Like we've even showed it to

2211
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:25,680
other people and they're like, yeah, that's definitely like an

2212
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:29,800
insider tooth they did a small child, small tooth.

2213
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,720
Speaker 3: Where's these teeth or where's this tooth coming? Or how

2214
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:38,680
did it return? And this is where my mind starts wandering,

2215
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:42,039
because I was talking to my friend, which people listen

2216
02:05:42,079 --> 02:05:45,399
on here knows ed. He said that there's probably a.

2217
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:48,159
Speaker 2: Berry call somewhere.

2218
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dog keeps fine. It's like it's the same tooth.

2219
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:52,960
So I went outside and I dug around looking for

2220
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:54,800
where the dog goes to see if I could find anything.

2221
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:59,520
And I don't see anything out there. But I was like,

2222
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:02,039
is there a dead baby, like a dead little kid

2223
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:04,760
somewhere on this property? And that's why we keep experiencing

2224
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:07,000
this stuff, And that would explain why I'm seeing small

2225
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:10,159
little shadows and why she's talking about this little thing,

2226
02:06:10,199 --> 02:06:12,079
and why I'm seeing small little things trying to take

2227
02:06:12,079 --> 02:06:15,439
our kids, Like is there something out here like that?

2228
02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:20,159
But then we started to have other things happening that

2229
02:06:20,199 --> 02:06:23,600
we've had happened that I've never paid attention to until recently.

2230
02:06:23,640 --> 02:06:25,760
But where the hells all of our silverware go?

2231
02:06:27,319 --> 02:06:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2232
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:32,439
Speaker 2: So I joked, I don't think it's a couple of

2233
02:06:32,479 --> 02:06:36,279
months ago, I joked that I've never had like a

2234
02:06:36,319 --> 02:06:38,760
full set of silverware since we've lived here. Like when

2235
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:42,439
we first moved here, I bought like a buttload and

2236
02:06:43,479 --> 02:06:48,760
you know, it's it's the forks, the spoon, it's that,

2237
02:06:49,039 --> 02:06:51,840
and everybody ahaha, everybody was just silverware. No, like it's

2238
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,720
just gone. It's not in the kidd's rooms. It's not

2239
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:55,600
it's it's gone.

2240
02:06:56,560 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I pulled open the

2241
02:07:00,119 --> 02:07:01,680
or and there's like an abundance back and.

2242
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:02,319
Speaker 2: It's all there.

2243
02:07:02,439 --> 02:07:04,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard all they come back from.

2244
02:07:04,439 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like as soon as we mentioned that it's gone,

2245
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:10,439
that we noticed that we are really low on silverware,

2246
02:07:10,479 --> 02:07:13,800
and we talked about going and buying more. It's back.

2247
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:15,159
Just boom, it's back.

2248
02:07:16,439 --> 02:07:20,880
Speaker 3: So I took the tooth and I went down the

2249
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:25,920
road and I chucked it over into the field and

2250
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:29,359
I said that if it comes back again, probably just

2251
02:07:29,359 --> 02:07:31,640
gonna burn the house down. We're not really going to

2252
02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:35,520
do that insurance company. So if it happens, it was

2253
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:40,279
I'm joking, but like, I don't know what to do.

2254
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:44,560
And I went through the house multiple times. I've tried

2255
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:47,640
to bless the house. I've said religious stuff, I've done

2256
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:50,439
all sorts of things and I don't know what we

2257
02:07:50,479 --> 02:07:53,000
can possibly do. We've had people supposed to come pray

2258
02:07:53,079 --> 02:07:59,319
for the plaaff or whatever. I don't know anything that

2259
02:07:59,359 --> 02:08:04,680
could help. But everything was fine for a while until

2260
02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:07,159
about June. Someone had actually asked me on another show,

2261
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:09,039
is there been anything going on in the house. Reasoningly,

2262
02:08:09,079 --> 02:08:11,399
I said no, Honestly. I was like, since I got

2263
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:13,520
rid of that too, I said, we haven't had any

2264
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:17,199
sort of issues. Very next day, I'm down in the

2265
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:18,560
basement recording.

2266
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:22,720
Speaker 2: You jinxed it. That's what happened. He talked about how

2267
02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:23,439
it was going great.

2268
02:08:23,600 --> 02:08:26,079
Speaker 3: You asked me to go out and put the chickens up.

2269
02:08:26,279 --> 02:08:27,359
How long does that take it to do?

2270
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:29,640
Speaker 2: Like maybe a five minute maybe.

2271
02:08:31,039 --> 02:08:35,800
Speaker 3: I come back down into the basement and I noticed

2272
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:39,760
that there is a fly sitting dead on my desk.

2273
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:42,800
I'm like, I didn't think a whole lot about it,

2274
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:45,720
Like what's weird? And I just started editing again. I

2275
02:08:45,800 --> 02:08:49,920
look over, there's another one, and I just started to

2276
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:53,319
look around all the way around my desk. I have

2277
02:08:53,399 --> 02:08:58,520
a wrap around desk. There were literally twenty seven dead flies,

2278
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:02,560
dead green metallic flights on my desk. They weren't on

2279
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:05,279
the floor. They weren't anywhere else.

2280
02:09:05,399 --> 02:09:07,319
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of stuff down there, like you know,

2281
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:11,640
we have my tables and desks and stuff over across

2282
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:15,520
you have boxes. There's no flies on any of that.

2283
02:09:16,319 --> 02:09:19,439
Speaker 3: Now, someone could say like, oh, there's just flies or whatever.

2284
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:21,920
But I was just down there and I didn't notice them,

2285
02:09:22,640 --> 02:09:26,000
but they were literally right where my hands were, and

2286
02:09:27,479 --> 02:09:29,560
I would have noticed all those slides. Once I started

2287
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:32,239
seeing all of them, I kind of got weirded out

2288
02:09:32,279 --> 02:09:34,279
because where the hell they come from? And I collected

2289
02:09:34,359 --> 02:09:36,279
them all. I put them in a cuff for the lid,

2290
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:38,119
and I put them out in the garage, and I

2291
02:09:38,199 --> 02:09:41,239
am very disappointed to let everyone know that they're now.

2292
02:09:41,399 --> 02:09:44,359
Speaker 2: Okay, you did not take them to the garage. You said,

2293
02:09:45,039 --> 02:09:47,399
I'm gonna put these in the garage, and y'all left

2294
02:09:47,439 --> 02:09:50,520
them on the kitchen counter in the tubbleware container. And

2295
02:09:50,600 --> 02:09:52,359
I said, this is disgusting and not going to be

2296
02:09:52,399 --> 02:09:53,840
on my counter. And I gave you two days and

2297
02:09:53,880 --> 02:09:54,560
then I threw it away.

2298
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:58,479
Speaker 3: So my flies that I was collecting for evidence purposes,

2299
02:09:58,560 --> 02:09:59,159
she threw away.

2300
02:10:00,039 --> 02:10:01,159
Speaker 2: Did could you let them on my counter?

2301
02:10:01,640 --> 02:10:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been asked by someone to go out in

2302
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,800
the fields and find the tooth so I can send

2303
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:10,359
it to them for DNA analysis, And they told me

2304
02:10:10,439 --> 02:10:12,520
to take the dog because the dog's already found it twice.

2305
02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:14,439
It's like, I'm not going out into a cornfield looking

2306
02:10:14,479 --> 02:10:14,920
for a tooth.

2307
02:10:15,079 --> 02:10:16,279
Speaker 2: Well, I don't even know that I would call it

2308
02:10:16,279 --> 02:10:18,439
a cornfield because it's more like a nature reserve. Kin.

2309
02:10:19,479 --> 02:10:21,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what you would consider. It's just

2310
02:10:21,479 --> 02:10:24,920
overrun area, like it's not. It doesn't get tilled up,

2311
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:27,079
so yeah, it might still be out there, but I

2312
02:10:27,079 --> 02:10:29,640
don't know I'm going to find it. I'm not trying

2313
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:34,640
to bring it back exactly. So I don't know of

2314
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:38,920
anything weird happening since that point except for now that

2315
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:41,720
I'm out here in this barn, and then we've had

2316
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:46,560
weird stuff like your cameras noticed nourity cameras in the

2317
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:50,399
barn and it always detect movement. Well, since it's been

2318
02:10:50,439 --> 02:10:52,239
out here, I hadn't detected anything in that one day

2319
02:10:52,319 --> 02:10:55,720
that we weren't actually home. It's detected in the records.

2320
02:10:56,600 --> 02:11:00,920
There is a shadow the moves, which there's curtains in here,

2321
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:04,760
so where did the shadow even come from? And this

2322
02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,079
shirt on the wall starts to move, but I want

2323
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:10,159
to say the air conditioner kicked on and made everything

2324
02:11:10,279 --> 02:11:13,800
to start moving. But when I got home, the air

2325
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:17,479
conditioner was on auto run like auto like it wasn't auto.

2326
02:11:17,399 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 2: Was just on like it's on constant run.

2327
02:11:19,680 --> 02:11:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not shutting off like it was just

2328
02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:25,399
always running. So why was it the thing not blowing

2329
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:28,600
the whole time? And then all of a sudden, the

2330
02:11:28,640 --> 02:11:30,520
shadow moves and now starts moving, so it's like and

2331
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:32,399
the thing starts moving in the direction of the shadow,

2332
02:11:32,479 --> 02:11:35,000
went like you see the shadow move, and then like

2333
02:11:35,119 --> 02:11:36,319
three or four seconds later.

2334
02:11:36,359 --> 02:11:38,239
Speaker 2: The Yeah, we didn't even notice the shirt on the wall.

2335
02:11:38,399 --> 02:11:38,600
Speaker 1: First.

2336
02:11:38,640 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 3: Yes, someone else had pointed that out.

2337
02:11:40,399 --> 02:11:43,680
Speaker 2: We noticed the one like behind the camera where you

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could see the shadow start from, Like, we noticed that one,

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but we didn't notice the shirt until somebody else said it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's that. And then now that I'm out here,

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I hear random noises out in the corner. I heard

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them yesterday. It was kind of creepy, but I just

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was saying it. I was saying it was a deer probably,

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or bunnies or you know whatever. I just heard the

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corn wrestling, So yeah, I will come out here at

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like eleven o'clock a night from doing interviews, and I

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hear noises in the corners like man, I'm waiting for

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dog man or whatever. I'm running out at me. And

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then I'm I getting to a death battle because I'm

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not running from and I'm running.

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Speaker 2: To it and I am not coming to help you

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dark out here. Yeah, so yeah, I'll be laughing.

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Speaker 3: But that pretty much is the gist of yeah, you

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were weird stuff and that Jerry that I had interviewed,

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which was on previously, So for this Halloween special episode,

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you've got to hear two different interviews. But the similarities

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are kids are creepy, especially little girls. Little girls Yeah,

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that have run ends with little things. We don't know

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what they are, things that don't make any sense. So

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I would say thanks for actually being involved.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you're welcome.

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Speaker 3: People might see her at some of the conventions and

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stuff that I've been at, but she doesn't even listen

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to my show.

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Speaker 2: She's not I'm just here for support, you know. If

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I'm there, make sure you still come say hi. I'll

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say hi back. I'll probably be the one to talk

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to you, not him.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, you're more outgoing than I am, yes, which

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is funny that I do a show.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to say though, like, even though

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you're obviously listening to this, please don't message me with

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your creepy stories. Please don't message him. I've had somebody

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do that and it really creeps me out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so leave my wife alone. I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've listened to my story. It's fine, but yeah,

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keep messaging him.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to say, thanks for being supportive wife.

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You are and come I here and letting the audience

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hear something not just for me for once. Yeah, you'retion

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to my craziness.

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Speaker 2: I can't validate that.

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Speaker 3: But on that note, we're gonna wrap this one up.

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So I hope everyone enjoyed this extended Halloween episode. So

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thanks to Jerry, thanks to Emily, and thanks for listening.

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Speaker 5: And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys

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enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a

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guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to

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Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to

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the contact section of tenfoiltal dot com.

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Speaker 3: Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule

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for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies,

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and the stories we share, the connections we make. Stay

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curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on

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this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking,

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and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone, sas on

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sounds in the headphones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's turn to rock.

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Speaker 3: Got a story about a crypty creature. Let's take a luck.

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Thanks talk.

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Speaker 1: Then they're out there in the dark.

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Speaker 3: But the truth is out there liking me. It's bark.

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Speaker 2: Ufo sightings.

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Speaker 6: Got the whole world shook, conspiracies and folds like a

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story in the book.

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Speaker 3: Me Control trying.

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Speaker 2: To keep us back.

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Speaker 6: We're all gonna use the whole mind. In history, they

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don't want us to know the secrets they hide since

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they won't show, so they don't society. They keep us

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in chase. But in Tom's time to break.

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Speaker 3: The reins is control trying to keep us fine.

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Speaker 6: But I'm alone before I'm gonna use my own mind.

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In history, they want.

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Speaker 3: Us to know the secrets they hide since they will show.

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Speaker 1: The mayd a.

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Speaker 6: Society, they keep us in chase. When standing talk does

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sound to break the reins