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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Picture this, Okay, you are standing out in the absolute

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<v Speaker 2>dead of night, pitch black, pitch black. You are looking

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<v Speaker 2>up at the sky and you're waiting for something, anything,

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<v Speaker 2>to happen, right, and then bam, a flash exactly a flash,

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<v Speaker 2>a cosmic firework.

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<v Speaker 3>Going off, but not just a normal one.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because you don't just see one explosion. You see

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same explosion, the exact same burst of light,

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<v Speaker 2>happening in five different places in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Sky at the exact same moment, Yes, at.

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<v Speaker 2>The exact same moment, and they are arranged in this

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<v Speaker 2>perfect geometric cross.

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<v Speaker 3>Pattern surrounding those two faint glowing orbs right in the center.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a glitch, like the rendering software for

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<v Speaker 2>the universe just stuttered and copied and pasted a star

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<v Speaker 2>five times.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a really striking visual. I mean, it completely

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<v Speaker 3>challenges your intuition about how reality is supposed to work.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does, because we are wired to believe that

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<v Speaker 3>one object occupies one location in space.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, basic physics for everyday life.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, So when you see five of them, your brain

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<v Speaker 3>instantly wants to reject it.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like science fiction.

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<v Speaker 3>It does. But we aren't talking about sci fi today, No,

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<v Speaker 3>we are not.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about a very real, very hard data

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<v Speaker 2>discovery that dropped in February twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>A massive discovery. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the story of Sen Winni or Sen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five Winni. If we want to use the formal catalog.

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<v Speaker 3>Mam Winni is definitely easier to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Much easier. It's a super nova that astronomers caught in

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<v Speaker 2>the act.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten billion light years away ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Billion, and it's appearing has five distinct images.

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<v Speaker 3>And while the image itself is beautiful, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 3>really is a cosmic firework, just like the researchers called it.

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<v Speaker 3>The esthetics are just the bait they draw you in, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The real hook here is what this specific glitch in

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<v Speaker 3>the sky allows us to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Because It's not just a stamp collecting exercise for astronomers.

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<v Speaker 3>Not at all. This might actually be the solution to

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest headache in modern physics.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about the Hubble tension.

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<v Speaker 3>The Hubble tension, the absolute crisis in cosmology right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically a one hundred year old argument that has

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<v Speaker 2>split the physics community right down the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like argument is almost putting it lightly at

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<v Speaker 3>this point, more of a standoff. Definitely a standoff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>We have two very precise ways to measure how fast

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<v Speaker 3>the universe is.

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<v Speaker 2>Expanding, and they are giving us two completely different answers.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and they cannot both be right.

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<v Speaker 2>If one side is right, the other is.

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<v Speaker 3>Wrong, or even more excitingly, both are right in their

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<v Speaker 3>own way, and our fundamental understanding of gravity or the

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<v Speaker 3>early universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Is just fly, which would be huge.

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<v Speaker 3>It will re write the textbooks. We have been waiting

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<v Speaker 3>for a tie breaker for years.

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<v Speaker 2>A third way, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>A third way to measure the cosmos that doesn't rely

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<v Speaker 3>on all the baggage of the previous.

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<v Speaker 2>Methods, And that is exactly what sn winny it represents.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the independent arbiter.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is the Goldilock scenario. It's this one in

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<v Speaker 3>a million alignment that lets us bypass the messy assumption

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<v Speaker 3>heavy calculations we have been stuck with.

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<v Speaker 2>So in this exploration today, we are going to look

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<v Speaker 2>at how we found it, the insane technology required to

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<v Speaker 2>actually see it, and the geometry, actual time delay physics. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>the physics that turns a pretty picture into a literal

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<v Speaker 2>ruler for the universe.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into the weeds. Then we need to start

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<v Speaker 2>with the object itself. Sn winny.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We mentioned it's a supernova, but you don't get visible

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<v Speaker 2>explosions ten billion light years away from just run of

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<v Speaker 2>the mill dying stars, do you, No.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't. This has to be something mass.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are we actually looking at here?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a standard type EA supernova, which we use a

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<v Speaker 3>lot in cosmology, is very.

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<v Speaker 2>Bright, right, they are standard candles exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It can outshine its entire host galaxy for.

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<v Speaker 2>A few weeks, which is wild to think about.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, but at a red shift of two, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the distance we are talking about here, roughly ten

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<v Speaker 3>billion light years, a normal supernova would be incredibly.

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<v Speaker 2>Faint, barely a pixel on a screen.

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<v Speaker 3>Barely even that, But s and Winnie is a super

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<v Speaker 3>luminous supernova super lumina.

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<v Speaker 2>I always love how literal astronomers are with their naming conventions,

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<v Speaker 2>very practical. It's like, well, it's a supernova, but it's super.

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<v Speaker 3>It does exactly what it says on the tin.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So how much brighter are we talking?

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<v Speaker 3>These are rare events. They are ten to one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>times brighter than a standard supernova. Wow, we are talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a release of energy that is genuinely difficult to

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<v Speaker 3>even comprehend.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have this absolute beacon of light going off

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<v Speaker 2>in the distant universe. Right, But the light isn't traveling

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<v Speaker 2>to to us in a straight line.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not. And this is where Einstein enters.

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<v Speaker 2>The chat general relativity exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>General relativity tells us that mass curves space.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, if you put a massive object in the fabric

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<v Speaker 2>of space time, it creates a divot. Oh wow, the

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<v Speaker 2>classic bowling ball on a trampoline analogy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's classic for a reason. Now, imagine rolling a marble,

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<v Speaker 3>which represents a photon of light across that trampoline. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>if it goes near the bowling ball, it's path curves.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't go straight right, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Follows the curve of the trampoline. Now scale that up

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<v Speaker 3>to the cosmos. We have SN Whinni exploding way in

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<v Speaker 3>the background.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten billion light years back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and directly between us and that explosion, sitting right

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<v Speaker 3>in the line of sight are two galaxies.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the Lens galaxy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's correct. The gravity of these foreground galaxies is bending

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<v Speaker 3>space so severely that the light from SN Winni has

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<v Speaker 3>no choice but to curve around.

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<v Speaker 2>Them like a funhouse mirror.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly like a funhouse mirror. But here is the key.

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<v Speaker 3>The alignment is so perfect. The light doesn't just curve

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<v Speaker 3>one way.

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<v Speaker 2>It splits. It splits, so it's taking multiple routes simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of it like a river flowing around a large island.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I can picture that.

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<v Speaker 3>The water splits, goes around both sides of the island,

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<v Speaker 3>and then meets up again downstream.

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<v Speaker 2>So the light from the supernova streams around these galaxies, taking.

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<v Speaker 3>Different paths through the curved space.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, and those paths converge.

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<v Speaker 3>At Earth exactly so when our telescope points at that

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<v Speaker 3>exact spot, it catches photons arriving from the left path.

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<v Speaker 2>And photons arriving from the right.

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<v Speaker 3>Path, photons coming over the top, and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>And our brain or I guess the PERMERA sensor interprets

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<v Speaker 2>those different arrival angles as completely different objects.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we see five distinct images of the exact same event.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what we call strong gravitational lensing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, we have seen lensing before, right, we have. The

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<v Speaker 2>Einstein cross is a famous one where a quasar is

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<v Speaker 2>split into four images.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that's a very well known example.

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<v Speaker 2>So what makes sn WINNI so special? Why are researchers

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<v Speaker 2>so incredibly excited about this one specifically?

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<v Speaker 3>That is a great question. You are right. We have

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<v Speaker 3>seen lensed quoasars.

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<v Speaker 2>Quasars being those supermassive black holes actively feeding in the

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<v Speaker 2>centers of galaxies.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. They are incredibly bright and they stay bright.

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<v Speaker 2>They are permanent fixtures.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, Yes, they flicker a bit, they have some variability,

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<v Speaker 3>but they are always on.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning they don't have a distinct start and end date.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. But a supernova is a transient event.

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<v Speaker 2>It explodes, it brightens, it hits a peak, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then it fades away. It has a very distinct light curve.

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<v Speaker 2>And that timing is crucial for what we want to

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<v Speaker 2>do here, isn't it? It is everything, because if we

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<v Speaker 2>want to measure the universe, we need a.

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<v Speaker 3>Clock and go. We need a clock, and the supernova

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<v Speaker 3>is the absolute perfect cosmic stop watch.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we get into the how of the measurement,

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<v Speaker 3>we really have to appreciate the.

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<v Speaker 2>Odds here, right, the rarity.

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<v Speaker 3>Sherry Suyu, who is a heavy hitter in this field

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<v Speaker 3>over at the Technical University of Munich and the Max

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<v Speaker 3>Planck Institute, she quantified the probability of this alignment.

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<v Speaker 2>I read that quote she said, finding this is quote

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<v Speaker 2>lower than one in a million.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is not hyperbole really truly. You need a

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<v Speaker 3>superluminous supernova, which is already incredibly rare on its own right.

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<v Speaker 3>You need it to happen at the exact right distance

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<v Speaker 3>from us. You need it to happen directly behind a

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<v Speaker 3>galaxy that is massive enough and compact enough to act as.

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<v Speaker 2>A lens, and you need to actually be looking at

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<v Speaker 2>it at the right time exactly, so it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>something you stumble upon while casually standing the.

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<v Speaker 3>Sky, not at all. You have to actively hunt for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was a long hunt, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Six year hunt. The team, including researchers like Stefan Taalbenberger,

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<v Speaker 3>spent years just compiling a list of potential lenses.

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<v Speaker 2>So they basically mapped out the sky and said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here are a bunch of galaxies that could act as

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what they did, and then they waited.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like setting up a bunch of camera traps in

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<v Speaker 2>the jungle and just waiting for a very specific, very

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<v Speaker 2>rare albino tiger to.

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<v Speaker 3>Walk by and not just walk by, but explode while

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<v Speaker 3>walking by. Right, They were monitoring these candidates constantly looking

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<v Speaker 3>for a sudden blip.

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<v Speaker 2>As light, and then in August twenty twenty five, the

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<v Speaker 2>alert finally went off.

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<v Speaker 3>It did this wiki transient facility picked it up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the wide field survey telescope that scans the sky

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<v Speaker 2>every night.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, it picked up a transient event.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they pointed the big guns at it, did

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<v Speaker 2>they see the five images immediately?

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<v Speaker 3>Well not immediately, oh really, no, they saw that it

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<v Speaker 3>was a candidate, it was a blip. But to really

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<v Speaker 3>confirm the five images and see the actual structure, they

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<v Speaker 2>They needed the large binocular telescope exactly, the LBT. That

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<v Speaker 3>Yes it is, and it is an absolute beast of

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<v Speaker 2>It has two huge mirrors.

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<v Speaker 3>Two eight point four meter diameter mirrors sitting side by side.

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<v Speaker 2>Right The atmosphere is the enemy of high resolution astronomy,

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<v Speaker 3>It's turbulent. It's what makes stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Twinkle, and that twinkling smears out the fine detail.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. If you are trying to resolve five tiny points

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<v Speaker 3>of light that are huddled really close together ten billion

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<v Speaker 2>Away, the atmosphere just turns them into a fuzzy blob.

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<v Speaker 3>And you cannot do precision cosmology with a blob.

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<v Speaker 2>So they used adeptive optics they did. I always find

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<v Speaker 2>that actually works for us? Because it sounds like literal magic,

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<v Speaker 2>like we just unqwinkle the stars.

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<v Speaker 3>It is effectively magic, but it is deeply rooted in physics.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, walk me through it.

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<v Speaker 3>They shoot a laser, usually a powerful sodium laser high

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<v Speaker 3>into the mesosphere. Okay, this laser excites the sodium atoms

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<v Speaker 3>up there and creates a glowing artificial star, a fake star,

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<v Speaker 3>exactly a guide star.

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<v Speaker 2>So they have a perfect reference point. They know exactly

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<v Speaker 3>They know it should be a perfect sharp point of light. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But because of the atmospheric turbulence, the wind, the heat rising,

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<v Speaker 2>It dances around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and the telescope monitors that exact dissortion thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>times per second, and then it corrects it in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>That is insane.

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<v Speaker 3>The telescope actually has a secondary mirror that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Deformable, meaning it literally changes shape.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it has hundreds of tiny little actuators behind it

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<v Speaker 2>Of the mirror, so it ripples the mirror.

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<v Speaker 3>It ripples it in the exact opposite pattern of the

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<v Speaker 2>So if the atmosphere zigs the mirror zag.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, it actively cancels out.

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<v Speaker 2>The blur that is brilliant engineering.

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<v Speaker 3>The result is that you get an image almost as

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<v Speaker 2>Like Hubble or jwst right.

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<v Speaker 3>But with the massive light gathering power of an eight

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<v Speaker 3>meter ground telescope.

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<v Speaker 2>That is how they got the first high resolution color

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it revealed those five bluish points of light perfectly

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<v Speaker 3>arranged around the two red or four ground galaxies.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an incredible technical achievement just to get the picture

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<v Speaker 2>it is, but that image is what allows us to

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<v Speaker 3>The real work begins after the photo is taken.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have the object, we have the pristine data.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's talk about the actual problem.

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<v Speaker 3>This is supposed to solve, the big one.

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<v Speaker 2>drill down into this because I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people hear, oh, the universe is expanding, and they just think, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>science knows.

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<v Speaker 3>That, right. They think it's settled.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't realize that we are actually in a massive

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<v Speaker 2>crisis regarding how fast it's expanding.

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<v Speaker 3>It is arguably the most significant disagreement in fundamental physics today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just a rounding error, is it?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it is a glaring contradiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's define the terms for everyone, the hubble constant or

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<v Speaker 2>h not. It's essentially the speed.

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<v Speaker 3>Limit of the expand it's the rate of expansion. It

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<v Speaker 3>tells us how fast a galaxy is receding from US,

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<v Speaker 3>based entirely on its distance.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and the units for this are notorious.

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<v Speaker 3>Kilometers per second per megaparsec, which is a complete mouthful,

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<v Speaker 3>it is, but it makes sense when you break it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, it means for every megaparsec you go out into spaces.

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<v Speaker 2>And a megaparsec is about three point two six million

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<v Speaker 2>light years, right exactly, So for.

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<v Speaker 3>Every three point twenty six million light years you travel outward,

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<v Speaker 3>how much faster is space itself expanding?

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<v Speaker 2>So if the number is seventy, for example, then.

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<v Speaker 3>A galaxy one megaparsec away is moving away from US

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<v Speaker 3>at seventy kilometers per second.

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<v Speaker 2>In a galaxy ten megaparsex.

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<v Speaker 3>Away is moving away at seven hundred kilometers per second.

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<v Speaker 2>Simple enough concept. Measure the speed, measure the distance, divide

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<v Speaker 2>the two, and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Have your number in theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this so hard in practice?

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<v Speaker 3>Because measuring true distance in space is incredibly, incredibly difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't exactly have a cosmic tape measure.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't. We have two main methods that we use,

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<v Speaker 3>and they represent two completely different philosophies of looking at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Universe, the ladder and the CMBA.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Let's start with the ladder, the cosmic distance ladder. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the local universe method.

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<v Speaker 2>It's empirical, meaning it relies on direct observation of things

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<v Speaker 2>relatively nearby.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. You start with objects close to Earth, where you

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<v Speaker 3>can measure distance using simple geometry like parallax. Yes, exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>like how your eyes jeedge distance. You mentioned the distance

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<v Speaker 3>to a nearby star. Then you find a specific type

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<v Speaker 3>of star called a syphiid variable in that same star cluster.

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<v Speaker 2>Cipheids are what we call standard candles.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Yes, they physically pulse, they get brighter and dimmer,

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<v Speaker 3>and their pulse rate is directly tied to their intrinsic brightness.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you know how fast it pulses, you know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly how bright it truly is.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you know how bright it truly is, and

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<v Speaker 3>you measure how dim it appears to us here.

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<v Speaker 2>On Earth, you know exactly how far away it must

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<v Speaker 2>be exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the inverse square law of light.

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<v Speaker 2>So you use the really close sephades to calibrate the

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<v Speaker 2>slightly further sephades.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And then you look for cephiedes in galaxies that

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<v Speaker 3>also happen to have Type E a supernova in them.

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<v Speaker 3>Augh use the sefees to calibrate the brightness of the supernova.

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<v Speaker 2>And supernova are much brighter so you can see them

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<v Speaker 2>much further away exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you use those supernovae to measure distances to galaxies

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<v Speaker 3>way way out in marble.

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<v Speaker 2>Flow, where the expansion of the universe is the dominant

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<v Speaker 2>force pushing them away.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. So it's a ladder rung by rung by run,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is its greatest.

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<v Speaker 2>Weakness because it has systematics.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, If your very first rung is slightly off.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of dust extinction making the stars look just a

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<v Speaker 2>tiny bit dimmer than they actually are.

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<v Speaker 3>Or metallicity effects changing the internal physics of the sephids.

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<v Speaker 2>That tiny error propagates up the entire ladder.

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<v Speaker 3>It compounds at every single step. It's like a game

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<v Speaker 3>of telephone.

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<v Speaker 2>So what number does the latter team actually get?

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<v Speaker 3>The team led by Adam Reese and others. Using this

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<v Speaker 3>method consistently gets a number around seventy three or seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy three kilometers per second per megaparsec.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they have refined this over and over for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>They are incredibly confident in that number.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so hold on to seventy three ish. Now, let's

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<v Speaker 2>look at method two.

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<v Speaker 3>The cosmic microwave background the CMB. This is the echo

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<v Speaker 3>of the Big Bang itself, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the oldest light we can possibly see.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the ambient radiation left over from when the universe

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<v Speaker 3>was only three hundred and eighty thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>Old, basically a baby picture of the cosmos exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The Plank satellite mapped this radiation with truly insane precision.

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<v Speaker 3>We look at the tiny microscopic temperature fluctuations in that

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<v Speaker 3>early universe.

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<v Speaker 2>The little hot and cold spots in the map.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but here's the catch with this method.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always a catch.

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<v Speaker 3>The CMB does not directly measure the expansion rate today.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's a picture from thirteen point eight billion years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. To get the expansion rate for today, we have

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<v Speaker 3>to use a mathematical model.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to plug that baby picture into our standard model.

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<v Speaker 3>Of cosmology lamed a CDM.

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<v Speaker 2>And we just run the clock forward.

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<v Speaker 3>We simulate thirteen point eight billion years of cosmic evolution

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<v Speaker 3>to predict what the expansion rate should be right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So one team measures the universe exactly as it is locally,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other team predicts what it ought to be

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<v Speaker 2>based on exactly how it started.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a perfect way to put it. And when

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<v Speaker 3>the CMB team does that massive calculation, they get sixty

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<v Speaker 3>seven point four.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixty seven point four, So we have sixty seven on

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<v Speaker 2>one side and seventy three on the other.

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<v Speaker 3>And the airbars are tiny now.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't overlap at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Not even close. The sixty seven team says, look, we

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<v Speaker 3>are right plus or minus point five.

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<v Speaker 2>And the seventy three team says, no, we are right

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<v Speaker 2>plus or minus one. So we have a five sigma discrepancy,

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<v Speaker 2>which in physics is the absolute gold standard for saying

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a fluke.

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<v Speaker 3>It means the probability of this just being a statistical

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<v Speaker 3>accident is basically one in millions.

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<v Speaker 2>So someone is wrong either.

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<v Speaker 3>The latter people have a systematic air they just cannot find.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they really don't understand dust, or they don't understand

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<v Speaker 3>cephaides as well as they think, or the CMB people

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<v Speaker 3>are using a broken.

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<v Speaker 2>Model which implies new physics. Yes, it means maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>universe extanded differently in the past. Maybe dark energy isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a constant force.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the incredibly tantalizing possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>But we can't claim new physics until we definitively rule out.

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<v Speaker 3>The errors exactly. We need a tiebreaker.

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<v Speaker 2>We need a method that is totally independent of cephaides

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<v Speaker 2>and totally independent of the CMB.

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<v Speaker 3>Model, completely fresh look.

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<v Speaker 2>And this brings us right back to S. N.

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<v Speaker 3>Winny time delay cosmography.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the third way. Yes, so how does it

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<v Speaker 2>actually work? How on Earth do we get a hubble

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<v Speaker 2>constant out of five blips of light?

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<v Speaker 3>It all comes down to geometry in time. Okay, remember

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<v Speaker 3>those five images of the supernova.

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<v Speaker 2>The ones bent around the galaxy right.

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<v Speaker 3>The light in each of those images took a completely

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<v Speaker 3>different physical path through space to get here.

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<v Speaker 2>Half a path B, palf C, and so on.

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<v Speaker 3>Those paths have different lengths.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like driving from your house.

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<v Speaker 3>To the office, perfect analogy.

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<v Speaker 2>You can take the highway, which is maybe a straight shot, or.

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<v Speaker 3>You can take the back roads which wind around.

439
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<v Speaker 2>The highway might be ten miles and back roads might

440
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<v Speaker 2>be twelve miles.

441
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<v Speaker 3>And if you drive at the exact same speed on

442
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<v Speaker 3>both routes, you arrive at different times.

443
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<v Speaker 2>And light always drives at the same speed constantly the

444
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<v Speaker 2>speed limit of the universe. So the light taking the

445
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<v Speaker 2>shorter path through the curved space arrives here first.

446
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<v Speaker 3>And the light taking the longer path arrives later.

447
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<v Speaker 2>This means we don't actually see the five explosions simultaneously.

448
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<v Speaker 3>No, we see them in a sequence.

449
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<v Speaker 2>So image one brightens up in the sky, then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a few days or weeks later, Image two brightens up.

451
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<v Speaker 3>Then Image three, and so on.

452
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<v Speaker 2>We are literally watching a cosmic replay exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>We measure those time delays. We could say Image A

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<v Speaker 3>arrived exactly twenty days before Image B.

455
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<v Speaker 2>That time delay is a hard observable data point.

456
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<v Speaker 3>It is.

457
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<v Speaker 2>But wait, it's not just the physical length of the

458
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<v Speaker 2>path that matters, right right, There is also the Shapiro

459
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<v Speaker 2>delay to consider. We have to get a little deeper

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<v Speaker 2>into the general relativity of it all.

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<v Speaker 3>You are absolutely right to bring that up. It's actually

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<v Speaker 3>two effects combined into one delay.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>One is the geometric delay. Literally, path A is a

465
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<v Speaker 3>longer physical distance than pass B.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 3>The other is the gravitational time dilation.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the interstellar effect. Time runs slower when you

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<v Speaker 2>are deeper in a gravity well.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, the light that passes closer to the dense core

471
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<v Speaker 3>of the Lens galaxy is passing through a much deeper

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<v Speaker 3>gravitational potential, so it.

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<v Speaker 2>Has to physically climb out of that gravity well, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That struggle slows it down relative to the light that

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<v Speaker 3>passed further out where the gravity is weaker.

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<v Speaker 2>So the total time delay is a combination of how

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<v Speaker 2>far did I drive and how much traffic or gravity

478
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<v Speaker 2>did I get stuck in.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a perfect way to visualize it. Thanks, And

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<v Speaker 3>here is the absolute beauty of this method. Both of

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<v Speaker 3>those things, the physical distance and the depth of the

482
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<v Speaker 3>gravitational potential, they directly depend on the overall scale of

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<v Speaker 3>the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>They depend on the vast distances between Earth, the Lens galaxy,

485
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<v Speaker 2>and the supernova.

486
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<v Speaker 3>And those absolute distances depend directly on the Hubble constant.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Right, Because the Hubble constant dictates the size and scale

488
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<v Speaker 2>of the expanding universe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. So the core equation is basically time delay equals

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<v Speaker 3>the time delay distance multiplied by the potential difference. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we measure the time delay directly with our telescope by

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<v Speaker 3>watching the flashes. Check. We model the potential difference using

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<v Speaker 3>the mass of the Lens galaxy. The only variable left

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<v Speaker 3>in the equation is the time delay distance. We solve

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<v Speaker 3>for that, and boom, we extract the Hubble constant.

496
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<v Speaker 2>In one single step. One step, no distance ladder.

497
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<v Speaker 3>No calibration of standard candles.

498
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<v Speaker 2>No massive assumptions about the physics of the Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 3>It is purely geometric. Stefan Tobenberger, who is a leading

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<v Speaker 3>member of the team, calls it the one step method

501
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<v Speaker 3>for a very good reason.

502
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<v Speaker 2>It cuts out all the middlemen.

503
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<v Speaker 3>It really does.

504
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<v Speaker 2>But there is a catch. There's always catchin astrophysics always.

505
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<v Speaker 2>You said we have to model the potential, right, That

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<v Speaker 2>means we have to know the exact mass of the

507
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<v Speaker 2>Lens galaxy. Yes, how do you weigh a galaxy that

508
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<v Speaker 2>is ten billion light years away? Because if you get

509
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<v Speaker 2>the weight wrong, you get the potential wrong, and you

510
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<v Speaker 2>get the Hubble constant wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the absolute crux of the problem with this method,

512
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<v Speaker 3>it is known as the mass sheet degeneracy.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds ominous.

514
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<v Speaker 3>It is the nemesis of lens cosmography.

515
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<v Speaker 2>What does it actually mean.

516
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<v Speaker 3>Basically, you can imagine a mathematical transformation where you make

517
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<v Speaker 3>the lens galaxy much heavier, but you move it slightly

518
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<v Speaker 3>closer to us okay, or you change the distribution of

519
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<v Speaker 3>the mass within the galaxy and it produces the exact

520
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<v Speaker 3>same visual lensing image on our telescopes.

521
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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, so the image alone doesn't uniquely tell you

522
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<v Speaker 2>the mass.

523
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<v Speaker 3>No, you could have a really heavy lens or a

524
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<v Speaker 3>slightly lighter lens with a different shape, and they would

525
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<v Speaker 3>look absolutely identical to the LBT.

526
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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't know which one it is, you

527
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<v Speaker 2>can't solve for the accurate distance exactly.

528
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<v Speaker 3>To break this degeneracy, you need more data.

529
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<v Speaker 2>What kind of data you need.

530
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<v Speaker 3>The velocity dispersion of the stars inside the lens.

531
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<v Speaker 2>Galaxy, meaning you need to measure how fast the stars

532
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<v Speaker 2>inside that distant lens are zipping around.

533
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<v Speaker 3>Right, Because faster moving stars mean there's more gravity holding them.

534
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<v Speaker 2>In, which means more mass exactly.

535
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<v Speaker 3>And this is where sn winny really really shines compared

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<v Speaker 3>to past discoveries. Why is that usually gravitational lenses are

537
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<v Speaker 3>incredibly messy.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they are usually massive galaxy clusters, right.

539
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, swarms of hundreds of galaxies, massive dark matter halos,

540
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<v Speaker 3>huge clouds of hot X ray gas.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to mathematically model the mass distribution of a cluster

542
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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a nightmare.

543
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<v Speaker 3>It is heavily lumpy, it's chaotic.

544
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<v Speaker 2>It's like trying to calculate the aerodynamics of a tumbling

545
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<v Speaker 2>bag of rocks versus a single smooth.

546
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<v Speaker 3>Sphere that is very accurate.

547
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<v Speaker 2>But S and WINNY is different.

548
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<v Speaker 3>Very different. The lens in this case is just two galaxies.

549
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<v Speaker 2>It's a binary system.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Alan Schweinfurth and Leonecker, who are researchers at TUM

551
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<v Speaker 3>and LMU, they pointed this out.

552
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<v Speaker 2>They built the mass model for it, and.

553
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<v Speaker 3>They found it was remarkably clean.

554
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<v Speaker 2>It's a clean lab for physics.

555
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<v Speaker 3>The galaxies have very smooth light profiles. They are close

556
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<v Speaker 3>to each other, but they haven't actually started merging yet.

557
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<v Speaker 2>So they aren't distorted and tidal stripped and messy.

558
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<v Speaker 3>No, they are just two massive, relatively simple objects sitting there.

559
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<v Speaker 2>So the modeling uncertainty is much much lower.

560
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<v Speaker 3>Drastically lower. Schweinfurth noted that this specific simplicity offers an

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<v Speaker 3>unprecedented opportunity to measure the expansion rate with high accuracy.

562
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<v Speaker 2>Because we don't have to guess where the dark matter

563
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<v Speaker 2>is hiding in some giant complex cluster.

564
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<v Speaker 3>We can model these two galaxies with extreme precision.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to push back on that slightly, just

566
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<v Speaker 2>playing devil's advocation. We have two galaxies, doesn't that make

567
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<v Speaker 2>it a three body problem, or at least a very

568
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<v Speaker 2>dynamic complex gravitational inter isn't a single isolated galaxy much

569
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<v Speaker 2>easier to model?

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<v Speaker 3>A single isolated galaxy would be easier, yes, right, But

571
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<v Speaker 3>single galaxies usually are not massive enough to create this

572
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<v Speaker 3>wide five image split.

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<v Speaker 2>You need a huge amount of mass to bend the

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<v Speaker 2>light that much.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Usually to get this kind of dramatic separation, you

576
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<v Speaker 3>need a cluster. Ah, So, finding a binary pair that

577
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<v Speaker 3>is massive enough to act like a cluster, but simple

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<v Speaker 3>enough to be modeled like individual galaxies.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the absolute sweet spot.

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<v Speaker 3>That is exactly why this is a one in a

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<v Speaker 3>million fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Goldilocks zone of complexity, massive enough to work,

583
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<v Speaker 2>simple enough.

584
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<v Speaker 3>To understand perfectly said, and because it is a supernova,

585
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<v Speaker 3>the time delays are likely very short.

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<v Speaker 2>Like weeks or months, yes, as opposed to lensed quasars,

587
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<v Speaker 2>where the time delays can be what years easily.

588
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<v Speaker 3>Quasars are often lensed by those huge clusters where the

589
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<v Speaker 3>path differences are enormous.

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<v Speaker 2>You might have to wait a decade just to see

591
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<v Speaker 2>the flicker repeat.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is incredibly frustrated. If you want an answer in

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<v Speaker 3>your lifetime. With s N. Winnie, the whole show will

594
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<v Speaker 3>be over in a year or so.

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<v Speaker 2>We get the answer quickly, we do. So where are

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<v Speaker 2>we in the actual process right now? The discovery was

597
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<v Speaker 2>announced in February twenty twenty six.

598
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<v Speaker 3>Right now, every available major telescope is tracking it.

599
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<v Speaker 2>Both ground based and space based.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they are furiously building the light curves.

601
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<v Speaker 2>They are measuring exactly when image A hits its peak brightness,

602
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<v Speaker 2>when image B peaks, and so on.

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<v Speaker 3>They are gathering the raw observational data for the time delays,

604
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<v Speaker 3>and simultaneously, simultaneously they're using spectrographs to get that critical

605
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<v Speaker 3>velocity dispersion data we.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked about to properly weigh the two lens galaxies exactly. Okay,

607
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<v Speaker 2>so prediction time. Let's play the game. What happens when

608
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<v Speaker 2>the final number actually comes out?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's look at the scenarios.

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<v Speaker 2>Scenario A, the number comes back as seventy three.

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<v Speaker 3>If the number is seventy three or very close to it,

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<v Speaker 3>it is a massive, massive victory for the local ladder team.

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<v Speaker 2>It totally vindicates the Cepheide's standard candle method.

614
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<v Speaker 3>It completely suggests that the systematic errors they were constantly

615
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<v Speaker 3>accused of having simply aren't there.

616
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<v Speaker 2>And it puts the CMB team right in the hot seat.

617
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<v Speaker 3>It means the standard model of cosmology Lambda CDM is

618
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<v Speaker 3>fundamentally missing something.

619
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<v Speaker 2>It means the universe we see today is expanding significantly

620
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<v Speaker 2>faster than the early universe physics predicted it should.

621
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<v Speaker 3>Be, and that requires a major physical.

622
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Explanation like early dark energy.

623
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<v Speaker 3>That's a popular theory, a birth of accelerated expansion that

624
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<v Speaker 3>happened shortly after the Big Bang and then just turned off.

625
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Or maybe dark matter interacts with normal matter in a

626
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>way we completely failed to account for exactly.

627
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<v Speaker 3>It throws the door wide open to exotic new physics.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Scenario B, the number comes back as sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the tables turned entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>It vindicates the Plank satellite data and the standard model.

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<v Speaker 3>It strongly suggests that our theoretical understanding of the universe's

632
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<v Speaker 3>evolution over thirteen point eight billion years is actually perfect.

633
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<v Speaker 2>But it implies the latter team messed up somehow.

634
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<v Speaker 3>It would strongly suggest that there is a local hole

635
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<v Speaker 3>in our cosmic neighborhood, or a very stubborn calibration issue

636
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<v Speaker 3>with cepheides that we just haven't untangled yet.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be a huge blow to the new physics.

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<v Speaker 3>Crowd, it would, but it would restore order to the universe,

639
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<v Speaker 3>so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And then there's scenario C. Let me guess the

641
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<v Speaker 2>number is seventy right, smack in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>That would honestly be the most annoying possible outcome for cosmologists.

643
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<v Speaker 2>The ultimate compromise candidate.

644
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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't actually solve the tension. It would just muddy

645
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<v Speaker 3>the waters even further.

646
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>It would mean everyone is a little bit wrong.

647
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<v Speaker 3>Which is possible. But honestly, any result is.

648
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<v Speaker 2>Good because it's a completely independent result exactly.

649
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<v Speaker 3>It's not just another team reanalyzing the exact same old

650
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<v Speaker 3>CEPHEID or CMB data.

651
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a first look at reality itself.

652
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<v Speaker 3>And we should definitely mention this is just the beginning.

653
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<v Speaker 2>Because of the new observatories, Yes.

654
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<v Speaker 3>The Verra Ruben Observatory is coming.

655
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<v Speaker 2>Online and the Nancy Gray Roman Space Telescope, we are going.

656
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<v Speaker 3>To find many more of these lensed supernovae.

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<v Speaker 2>So S and Winny is the first of its kind

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<v Speaker 2>to be this perfect, but it won't be the last.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. We are actively entering the era of time delay

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<v Speaker 3>cosmography as a standard, reliable tool.

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<v Speaker 2>But S and Winnie will always be the historic one, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Pathfinder, the one that proved it could be done with

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<v Speaker 3>this level of pristine precision.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really a testament to human curiosity and ingenuity when

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<v Speaker 2>you think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about all the steps involved here. Someone had to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with the math for general relativity Einstein right,

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<v Speaker 2>and someone else had to physically build the LBT on

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<v Speaker 2>a freezing mountain in Arizona.

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00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Engineers had to invent adapting optics using actual lasers to

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<v Speaker 3>unblur the sky.

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00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Astronomers had to painstakingly catalog thousands and thousands of faint galaxies.

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<v Speaker 3>And then, after all that preparation, we had to get

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<v Speaker 3>lucky enough to catch a single star exploding ten billion

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<v Speaker 3>years ago. It really is a cumulative triumph of science.

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<v Speaker 3>It requires every single piece of that massive puzzle to

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<v Speaker 3>be in exactly the right place.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to circle back to that cosmic firework image

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<v Speaker 2>one last time before we close out this discussion. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked a lot about the hard physics, but there

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<v Speaker 2>is something deeply philosophical about looking at that picture. There

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<v Speaker 2>is we are seeing the exact same event at completely

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<v Speaker 2>different times.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We are seeing the distant past and the slightly less

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<v Speaker 2>distant past, all at the exact same moment on our screen.

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<v Speaker 3>It completely blurs the line of what now even means.

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<v Speaker 3>It does when you look at that image, you aren't

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<v Speaker 3>seeing a snapshot of a single moment in universal time.

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<v Speaker 2>You are seeing a collage.

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<v Speaker 3>A collage of different moments intricately stitched together by gravity.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds us that simultaneity is entirely relative.

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<v Speaker 3>The universe is a funhouse mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>A very strict, incredibly mathematical funhouse mirror. Exactly so to

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<v Speaker 2>quickly distill the takeaways for everyone who might have gotten

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<v Speaker 2>the little lost in all the megaparsex and gravitational wells.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot to take in.

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<v Speaker 2>We found a superluminous supernova s N winny, perfectly split

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<v Speaker 2>into five images by the immense gravity of two foreground.

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<v Speaker 3>Galaxies, a very rare alignment.

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<v Speaker 2>And by precisely timing the delay between when these five

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<v Speaker 2>images arrive at Earth, we can independently measure the expansion

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<v Speaker 2>rate of the universe in a single.

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<v Speaker 3>Step, cutting through the noise.

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<v Speaker 2>Which could finally resolve the Hubble tension, that massive discrepancy

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<v Speaker 2>between how fast the universe is expanding nearby versus how

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<v Speaker 2>fast the early universe models say it should be expanding.

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<v Speaker 3>A perfect summary, the universe provided the ultimate test, and

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<v Speaker 3>now we are basically just grading the paper.

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<v Speaker 2>And those final results should be out within a year

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<v Speaker 2>or two.

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<v Speaker 3>We will be watching very closely.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to leave you all with a final provocative thought. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we tend to think of the laws of physics as

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<v Speaker 2>these rigid, unshakable things that are written in stone. We do,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Hubble tension reminds us that our laws are

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<v Speaker 2>really just our current best descriptions of reality.

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<v Speaker 3>They're models, right, So if S.

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<v Speaker 2>And Winnie gives us a number that completely breaks the

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<v Speaker 2>standard model, it doesn't mean the actual universe is broken,

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<v Speaker 2>not at all. It just means our imagination was too small.

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<v Speaker 3>It means that there is a hidden piece of reality

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<v Speaker 3>out there, a.

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00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Particle, a fundamental force, a weird curve in geometry that

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<v Speaker 2>we simply haven't discovered yet.

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<v Speaker 3>And honestly, isn't that exactly why we do this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the anomalies that always lead to the breakthroughs. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to follow the glitch.

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<v Speaker 3>Always follow the glitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight, if the sky is clear, go outside, look up.

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<v Speaker 3>You won't be able to see s and Winnie.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Oh it's way too faint for your eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can imagine that light.

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<v Speaker 3>Light traveling for ten billion years.

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<v Speaker 2>Splitting apart, racing itself around massive galaxies, taking the scenic route,

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<v Speaker 2>just to land on a mirror in Arizona and tell

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<v Speaker 2>us how big our home really is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very big universe out there.

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly is. Thanks for joining us for today's exploration.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep questioning everything, and keep looking up.

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<v Speaker 3>Good Bye everyone, Sai
