WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:14.960 Welcome to Destiny. 2 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.320 Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. 3 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:22.679 You know, as a human being, we have a number 4 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.199 of senses, a number of abilities. We can see, we 5 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:30.559 can hear, we use our smell senses, we touch, we taste. 6 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:36.920 Those are the five primary senses. We have a sixth sense, though, 7 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:41.000 which is our intuition psychic awareness, and we may not 8 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.560 consciously be aware of its presence, but it's with us 9 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:48.560 all the time. It's that little gut feeling about somebody. 10 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:53.920 It's a little knowing about a question, the answer to 11 00:00:53.960 --> 00:01:00.640 a question, a job, taking a job, eating in a restaurant. 12 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:06.159 You use your intuition, maybe just not even being aware 13 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:10.599 of its presence. But today's program is on developing your 14 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.799 psychic ability, or your intuitive abilities, and developing them in 15 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:20.680 a way that they are nurtured to be effective tools. Hey, 16 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:22.599 this is Cliff, your host of Destiny. I hope you're 17 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:27.719 doing well today. We do not facilitate our existence enough 18 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:32.159 with our psychic abilities. And this is a God given 19 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:35.840 gift that some of us become aware of as a child. 20 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:41.560 Some of us have naturally that we don't call psychic awareness. 21 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:44.760 We might just call it our inner voice. Some people 22 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:50.400 hear answers to questions at key moments. There's all kinds 23 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:53.840 of stories your friends or our family, or even a 24 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.959 book you read, perhaps even a podcast where somebody was 25 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:03.079 warned in their head to move their car as soon 26 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:07.560 as possible or immediately, and when they did, they avoided 27 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:14.120 a huge truck crash or an intersected section disaster. And 28 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.319 we don't pay attention to that enough. We don't hear 29 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:23.000 and acknowledge that we have an ability. We have this 30 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:28.919 intuitive psychic awareness that is with us at all times. Now, 31 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:34.759 why should we bother heightening this, developing it further. Well, 32 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.960 we'll hear from my guest today that it is really 33 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.080 important to use these tools for everyday activities, from the 34 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:52.879 simplest points of relationships to business decisions to life's decisions. 35 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.240 And intuition and psychic awareness can be a real, real 36 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:06.319 supporting technique to enhance and our existence. And remember, destiny 37 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:10.000 is all about tools for transformation. We have not had 38 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.199 anyone on the program as long as I can remember 39 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:22.960 who is talking on nurturing psychic awareness, nurturing intuition to 40 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.680 the point where it is a tool. And when I 41 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:31.319 say nurture, we're talking about using divination, which is iching 42 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:40.240 to row cards, ruins, meditative techniques, or books like we're 43 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:47.159 going to present today that have lessons and tools for 44 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:54.080 sharpening that little voice for sharpening the higher dimensions to 45 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.879 come and support you. This even gets to the point 46 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:03.199 where you are working with ancestral guides, relatives that go 47 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.199 back thousands and thousands of years to come into your 48 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:12.759 awareness and help you with problems, help you with understanding 49 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.000 the world you live in as a physical being. Now 50 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.439 we're even going to go one step beyond that and 51 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:26.040 bringing in the angelic realm or departed souls. This is 52 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:31.399 relatives friends that perhaps you looked for guidance when they 53 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:35.360 were alive, and that seems kind of morbid to some people, 54 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:40.480 But our ancestors and the native indigenous cultures of the 55 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:47.720 Americas regularly speak of working with departed relatives, departed friends 56 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:57.759 and asking for advice and using these supporting mechanisms to 57 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:02.079 better your life, to get the support you need and 58 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:08.319 to make your path as smooth as possible. Now, we 59 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.240 don't again, we don't talk a lot about working with 60 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:16.920 disembodied spirits because Hollywood has really made them kind of scary, 61 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:19.839 you know, do I want to talk to my great uncle, 62 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:25.120 who I really enjoyed, But do I want to call 63 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:31.160 him forward from the heavens, from spirit realm and ask 64 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.279 for his support, ask for his opinion. Well, we'll learn 65 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:39.319 today that this is a real natural way to get 66 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:46.920 the support you need to work with these individuals who 67 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.319 have more experience on the planet than we do. We're 68 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.480 going to go one step beyond that, and that is 69 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:59.920 working with our own past lives, and we'll discover tech 70 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:06.480 niques for dipping in to pass lives, asking for support, 71 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.959 getting the material we need, and having these lifetimes supporting 72 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.879 us in the physical realms that we are in. Right now, 73 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:19.839 I want to play a short clip from an interview 74 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:24.360 done by Uri Geller, who is a famous Israeli psychic, 75 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:28.920 on his techniques, how eventually he was brought in by 76 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:33.879 the CIA and also Stanford Research Institute here in California 77 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:38.120 to test his abilities, and how he used his abilities 78 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:43.560 not only to support the government but also navigate his 79 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:48.160 own lifetime trials and learning experiences. So let's have a 80 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:48.759 quick listen. 81 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.160 For a number of years, CIA have been tracking Soviet 82 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:57.759 work in the so called esp area, and they're really 83 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:02.720 concerned because the Soviets, including the KGB, were spending millions 84 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:08.680 of dollars every year on this kind of phenomena. They're 85 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.399 very concerned about what could be being done to us. 86 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:20.160 They were specifically interested in whether individuals could extract information 87 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:24.800 or get information from remote sites or from hidden material, 88 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:34.879 and so it was critical to them to find out 89 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:37.560 just what abilities do people have. 90 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.680 Word had reached the CIA about an Israeli states performer 91 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.480 who had the talents they were looking for. Urigella was 92 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:50.120 brought to the prestigious Stanford Research Institute in San Francisco 93 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:54.360 for testing. Two laser physicists subjected Gella to a long 94 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:59.360 series of controlled experiments. In March nineteen seventy three, they 95 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.199 went public with their results. 96 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.920 This film describes a five week investigation with Wurry Geller, 97 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:10.959 a young Israeli. Nothing has been restaged or specially created. 98 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:16.759 The film contains some astonishing claims. The scientist said that 99 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.560 time after time, Gella was able to telepathically detect a 100 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:21.439 hidden object. 101 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.879 You will note he is very pleased with finding this target. 102 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.399 Using his psychic powers, he was apparently able to change 103 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:30.800 the weight of a piece of metal. 104 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.039 The upper two traces are apparently due to Geller's effort. 105 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.600 And over lunch in the SRI canteen, Gella bent dozens 106 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:43.000 of spoons for the scientists. But his most incredible success 107 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:47.000 was his apparent ability to telepathically read hidden drawings. 108 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.159 Day after day, he would come into the laboratory and 109 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:55.279 be able to reproduce a drawing that I had made 110 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:58.440 at home and the heads in an envelope, and day 111 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.759 after day URI would be able to make absolutely remarkable 112 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:03.639 copies of that drawing. 113 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.919 Here the experiment is repeated, certainly with regard to the 114 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.279 ability to reproduce a hidden material, with no doubt in 115 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.039 our mind that Geller could do that. This is a 116 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:17.440 drawing that Geller has made to correspond to the target object. 117 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.840 As you can see, he is quite elated about getting 118 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:21.600 the right answer. 119 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.840 We had no idea about how this stuff could be done. 120 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:27.320 We're sort of like, where were people with gravity before 121 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.000 Newton came along? I mean, gravity worked clearly, but no 122 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.120 one had an idea how. So similarly, here's some things 123 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:38.240 that we saw worked and happened, but no idea how. 124 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:44.639 Dori Gella left SRI with a stamp of credibility, leading 125 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:49.080 scientists believed he did indeed possess unexplainable powers. 126 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.159 Jury Gella was extremely popular in the nineteen eighties and 127 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.879 nineteen nineties on TV a lot, and he was tested constantly. 128 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.559 People just couldn't believe some of the things he did. 129 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:05.159 But it's my belief in that of a number of people, 130 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.240 including my guest today, that his abilities are not that 131 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:14.039 different from our own abilities. He just had them heightened 132 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:16.360 as a young person and kept working on him from 133 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:20.480 a young period, from a young age. So today's program 134 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:26.039 is naturally psychic Awaken your intuitive abilities. And my guest 135 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:33.879 is Karen Harrison. Earth Ancients does a number of tours 136 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.039 every year, and it's really important to have a really 137 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:39.279 good camera. I just found the Insta three sixty x 138 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:42.200 five recently, and I gotta tell you it is an 139 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:47.080 outstanding camera. It is an artificial intelligence camera, which means 140 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:50.279 that it automatically can adjust to the tones either day 141 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.320 or evening. It has a huge battery, one of the 142 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.639 best image quality I've ever seen, and you can edit 143 00:10:57.720 --> 00:10:59.679 on the fly. I mean you quick edit mode where 144 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:02.879 you can actually edit while you're standing there, and for 145 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.960 a limited time, they'll throw in a selfie stick. If 146 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.159 you're one of the first thirty people who purchase the 147 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.759 standard package. Go to store dot Insta three sixty dot 148 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.080 com and punch in Ancients and you'll qualify for that 149 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.759 that selfie stick, which is worth twenty five bucks. Again, 150 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:25.039 it's store dot Insta three sixty dot com. Use the 151 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.799 word Ancients and you'll get that deal. This is an 152 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:30.840 outstanding camera. Hold it in the palm of your hand. 153 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:34.519 It's waterproof and it is a great camera. Check it 154 00:11:34.519 --> 00:12:07.440 out the Insta three sixty x five. We'd like to 155 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.679 talk about our ancestors, and I discussed the old world, 156 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:17.320 the ancient world quite regularly, and the various existences we 157 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:21.320 lived in and how we lived and what senses we had. 158 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:25.480 We talked about the five census sight, hearing, smell, touch, taste, 159 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.480 But the sixth sense, I think was much more in 160 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:33.399 play with our ancestors than it is today. We have 161 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:38.399 all this technology, the Internet, our cell phones, artificial intelligence 162 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:43.639 that is kind of taking over this sixth sense, and 163 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.039 I think it's important that we come back to it. 164 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.799 And today we're going to introduce a brand new book 165 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:53.120 that really brings this sixth sense into play. My guest 166 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.120 today is Karen Harrison, and she has written a book 167 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:01.840 called Naturally Psychic Awaken and you're into awaken your intuitive abilities, 168 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:08.240 open your inner eye, and vibrate higher. And I really 169 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:10.240 enjoyed this book and we're going to talk obviously about 170 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:13.759 it today. But Karen is a has been involved with 171 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.279 magic and the Second Art since she was a young child. 172 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:23.600 She's an herbologist and she's written extensively on herbs. You 173 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:26.919 can look her up on Amazon and find her herb books. 174 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.480 But this book on being a psychic is very, very unique, 175 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.840 and we'll talk a little bit more about how you 176 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.000 can get in touch with her. But Karen, welcome to Destiny. 177 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:38.399 Great to have you on the program. 178 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.080 Oh thank you so much. We're going to have fun. 179 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.399 Tell me about a propriestess. What is that? 180 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:52.679 Well, that's actually proprietress. It's a feminization of the word proprietor. Yeah, 181 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.519 I know it's a weird spelling, isn't it. But I 182 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:02.919 am both a medicinal herbalist as well as an alchemical herbalist. 183 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:06.799 So Moon Magic is my herb company where I make 184 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:11.279 ceremonial blends of incense and ritual oils and that sort 185 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.960 of thing, and I sell them at my bookstore. Goddess 186 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:16.600 isis Books and Gifts in Denver. 187 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:20.159 Oh right, you have a bookstore. Amazing. Now, would you 188 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.600 categorize yourself as a as a witch or are you 189 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.080 more of an alchemist? 190 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.360 I'm an alchemical witch. 191 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:40.559 Okay, I'll let you use the phrasing and talk a 192 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:44.120 little bit with us about your childhood. You write in 193 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:47.759 the early parts of the introduction that you were introduced 194 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:55.480 to your psychic awareness and encouraged to work with it. 195 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.399 Talk about your childhood a little bit. 196 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.080 Well, it is really funny because I didn't realize it 197 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.240 was an unusual upbringing, but as I got older, I 198 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:07.879 found out. So I grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which 199 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:12.080 is a pretty conservative place, but my mother's side of 200 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:18.600 the family was very interested in all things psychic. They 201 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.360 followed a lot of Edgar Casey's teachings and that sort 202 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.559 of thing. Wow, And so when we would have breakfast 203 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.720 in the morning, we'd sit around and analyze each other's dreams. 204 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.840 My grandmother taught me when I was really small to 205 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.960 find omens in the clouds to answer questions that I 206 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:40.399 might have. She's the one who gave me my first 207 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:45.240 deck of Touro cards at on my seventeenth birthday, so 208 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:50.080 all of that was really normal to me. And then 209 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.399 a lot of my friends, of course, were very conservative. 210 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:57.080 My babysitters, Zella Stone, was a Southern Baptist, so she 211 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:00.240 would take me to Sunday school with her every week, 212 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:05.679 and I was introduced to very conservative Christianity there, and 213 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:10.320 I think it's just been a great blend of knowing 214 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.840 what a lot of other people in the country feel 215 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:19.279 about spirituality while I follow my own particular flavor and path. 216 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:24.879 Would you say that your folks were following a traditional 217 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:30.440 generational view of intuition and being one with the Gaya. 218 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:35.759 As far as I know, because my great grandmother passed 219 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:37.720 away when I was about five years old, so I 220 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:42.600 never had any you know, memorable conversations about this sort 221 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:46.360 of thing. But I know that my grandmother was teaching 222 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:49.240 me things that her mother taught her, so I'm going 223 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:50.080 to assume so. 224 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.240 Hm hmm facity. One of the things that I was 225 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:58.159 curious about is that you are taught not to fear 226 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:03.399 disembodied souls, and I want you to talk a little 227 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:05.440 bit about that because I think a lot of people, 228 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.240 and this is because of Hollywood, have been turned off 229 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:14.039 by the thought of working with somebody who's already passed away. 230 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.200 And can you talk about that for a minute and 231 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.359 give us an idea of what that means for you. 232 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:27.119 Sure, my grandmother's sister or older sister, Dell, worked as 233 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:32.759 a medium in the surrounding counties, and so I don't know, 234 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.119 it was just hanging out with them or whatever. So 235 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.279 I've been attending seances since I was seven years old, 236 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:46.640 So you learned that there's really nothing particularly scary going on. Also, 237 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:56.680 being able to converse with or be with someone that 238 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.200 you have loved who has passed away is a really 239 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.079 comforting thing. Now, I'm not going to say that you 240 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:08.200 should that a person should not be careful and cautious, 241 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.160 you know, because there there's other stuff out there too, 242 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.480 as I'm sure you know, Cliff. Yeah, so you know 243 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.119 you do need to use your intelligence and your common sense. 244 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:21.839 Are you referring to evil spirits that kind of thing. 245 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:24.359 That kind of thing, yeah, you know, like I call 246 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:31.160 them psychic dust bunnies. Okay, but there's just because somebody 247 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:35.000 doesn't have a body anymore doesn't make them scary. 248 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.839 Yeah, And how did how did your folks or your 249 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:44.480 relatives go about suggesting and actually training you to be 250 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.279 open to working with disembodied souls. 251 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:54.160 Well, like I said, attending these these seances or mediumship sessions, 252 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:58.519 I was just observing it and it would just seemed 253 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.240 to be a perfectly normal part of growing up. So 254 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.519 it wasn't training per se but just literally a way 255 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:07.119 of growing up. 256 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:13.279 Wow. So I mean give us an example. I mean, 257 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:16.240 if you're I think this, tell me if this is 258 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:20.559 how it works, that if you're naturally open to receiving 259 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:26.400 the information from a discarnate soul, they kind of are 260 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.119 are maybe attracted to you, and maybe nudge you to 261 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:35.599 be open to their presence. Is that what we can say? 262 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:38.720 Oh, I would totally agree with you. I mean it's 263 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:44.480 like finally somebody can see me, somebody is acknowledging me, 264 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.640 you know, so I can I can have a conversation, 265 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:50.119 or I can have some sort of interaction. 266 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.400 I love that. So how do we go about I 267 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.240 mean this is this is a direct question, obviously, but 268 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:03.160 how do we go about working with these souls? Because 269 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:05.880 in your book you get into angels and you get 270 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:14.960 into other levels of support spirits. But when if somebody 271 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:19.480 has left the planet, do you call them in. Do 272 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:23.240 you do you pray for their guidance? How do we 273 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.200 work with this level of communication. 274 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:31.440 Well, one way to do it is to, you know, 275 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:33.839 you always want to be pretty specific. You don't just 276 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.039 say okay, whoever wants to come, you know, that's that's 277 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.079 how you get yourself in trouble. But so, yes, so 278 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:44.400 you want to be specific. So say that you want 279 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:48.880 to you have a question that you believe that your grandmother, 280 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:53.519 who has passed away, has the answer to, and nobody 281 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:58.359 else in the family. So you would sit quietly in 282 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:04.039 a calm space. I always suggest that people round themselves 283 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.599 connect to their energy with the earth before they do 284 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:10.119 this sort of work, so that they know that the 285 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:15.359 information that they're getting is accurate. But you would then 286 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:20.400 begin just kind of meditating, being your grandmother's face in 287 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:23.599 your mind's eye. You might have on a piece of 288 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:27.680 music softly playing that one of her favorite songs. You know, 289 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:33.559 if you have any sort of letter or jewelry or 290 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:35.839 what have you that belonged to her, that's a nice 291 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:39.240 physical object link that you can have in the area 292 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.279 as well. All of this is kind of like a 293 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:47.359 magnet to draw her in. Now we cannot force people 294 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.440 to converse with us if they're not in that energy 295 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:56.279 space at that time. So it might take several sessions 296 00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:58.680 before you make that connection, but that's at least how 297 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:02.519 you would begin, Okay, and then. 298 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:08.799 I guess you're sitting quietly waiting for some form of communication. 299 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:15.240 Right, So the presence can be different for different people. 300 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.920 In other words, when I'm doing that sort of work, 301 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.319 when I'm making that connection and when it's happening, I 302 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:28.279 always get this feeling at the back of my head 303 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.119 on the right side, kind of underneath the ear. That's 304 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:33.880 where I get tapped on the shoulder, if you will. 305 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:38.240 And so then you could ask your question out loud 306 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:41.559 you wanted to, or you could think it in your head. 307 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:49.359 And sometimes you will, Claire audiately hear the information the answer. 308 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.400 Sometimes you'll just you just flash in your brain and 309 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.920 you will get the answer. Sometimes you will have a 310 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:02.279 visualization where you're is presented to you in picture form. 311 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.160 It's different for different people who work with energy like that, 312 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:07.039 but you learn your own style. 313 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:14.160 Gotcha, gotcha, Karen? Are we all psychic or are some 314 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.640 more aware of disability than others? I mean, we're talking 315 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.200 about the sixth sense, and I think the way you 316 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:25.559 write about it is it's an innate part of being human. 317 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.599 Well, it's kind of going back to what you said 318 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:34.680 at the very beginning of our conversation that we do 319 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:38.400 all have the five senses, but we have this sixth sense. 320 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:45.039 But due to our busy modern lives, we don't pay attention. 321 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:48.880 You know, even before internet and all of this computer stuff, 322 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.799 there was the radio, there was television, you know, so 323 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:58.480 we always find ways to get distracted. So some people 324 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:03.880 just are oh, I don't know, they can access it 325 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:08.039 easier than other people. It's just like some people are 326 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.119 naturally talented to play the piano, but all of us 327 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:13.960 can learn to play the piano. Some of us are 328 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.079 naturally just love to sing, but we can all learn 329 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:21.119 to sing. We all have those abilities, and so in 330 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.160 that sense, we all are psychic. We were all born that way. 331 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.079 I guess. The other thing that has happened is when 332 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:34.680 little kids have their imaginary friend, or maybe it's not 333 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:39.279 really imaginary, you know what I mean. But little kids 334 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:43.359 are naturally psychic. I mean, they're they're very empathic, they feel, 335 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:48.319 but they get trained out of that because it's sometimes 336 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.079 scary to the parents or the teachers or it's inconvenient 337 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.759 for the parent or the teacher. You know, so we 338 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:58.000 get we get trained out of paying attention to our 339 00:24:58.039 --> 00:24:58.640 sixth sense. 340 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:05.799 Oh amazing. Yeah. What would you say, as somebody who 341 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:13.039 has actively used her intuition and psychic ability? How does 342 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:15.839 it help you? And how should I mean, you wrote 343 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.759 this book for a pretty wide audience. But why should 344 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:22.119 we cultivate our psychic intuition? 345 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:25.839 Well? Why should we not? I mean, it's like we 346 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.920 can see with our eyes, why would we keep them closed? 347 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:34.200 You know, it's another ability. It is another level and 348 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:39.279 layer of interacting with the world around us. Plus, it 349 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:46.119 is a great way to get information about if something 350 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:48.680 is going to be working out well for yourself. If 351 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.319 this person that you've just met who's made this wonderful 352 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:55.440 job offered to you is an honest, honorable person, you know, 353 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:57.640 you might as well use the talent you got. 354 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:05.559 Yeah, so it's a tool in everyone. Would you say? 355 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:10.039 I would totally agree with you. And so even if 356 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:15.960 you're naturally talented at it, you still want to teach 357 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:20.559 yourself ways to hone it so that you can use 358 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:25.359 it very well. You can depend on it, but you 359 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:27.960 also have to be very ethical with it. I mean, 360 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.480 just I think one of the things that sometimes makes 361 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.119 people nervous when they find out I'm psychic is they 362 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:38.079 think maybe I'm going to overhear their thoughts or that 363 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:42.559 sort of thing. And you have to just like you 364 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.680 don't eavesdrop on people in a restaurant, you don't enter 365 00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:51.319 into the energy space of a person unless you haven't 366 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.279 been invited to be there. In other words, you know 367 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.359 if they've asked you to do a reading for them, 368 00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.599 or they you know, are inquiring about something. But it's 369 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.960 very rude to just intrude. 370 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.960 That's a good point. You have this unusual childhood, which 371 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.640 I think is fascinating, and I think in some ways 372 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:18.720 I'm jealous that you had such open relatives. What's your 373 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.759 sense of our ancestors' use of intuition? What do you feel? 374 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.839 I mean, I think that it was a very big 375 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:32.759 part of our natural existence. And I'm talking before perhaps 376 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:37.680 even electricity. But what's your sense of how our ancestors 377 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.519 used their intuition and psychic abilities. 378 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.880 Well, I think you're absolutely correct. It was much more 379 00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:50.480 of an open thing. It's a matter of survival, right, 380 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:54.480 So you are out there, you're in the wide open 381 00:27:54.559 --> 00:28:00.559 space of Earth, and you're going to use every since 382 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:05.480 that you have to make your life as much as 383 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.279 it can be and keep you yourself and your family 384 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:14.640 and your community safe. So you're going to definitely use 385 00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.000 your psychic abilities, just as you use your hunting abilities 386 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:25.759 or anything like that as part of living your life. 387 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.400 Do you think that the ancestors also were connecting with 388 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:35.759 what we would consider the gods or off world types. 389 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:44.960 Oh yeah, definitely. We were a much more natural part 390 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.839 of Earth than we right now. It's kind of like 391 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.079 we feel like we are a part from the world 392 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.920 around us. Our ancestors were a part of the world 393 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.440 around them, and so one of the ways that they 394 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:03.039 accessed the divine in whatever names they might have used 395 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.359 in whatever area of the world, would be through their intuition, 396 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:15.319 through their own psychic ability to connect and to request rain, 397 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.319 like the plants to grow so that the tribe could live. 398 00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:25.640 So definitely using that psychic energy to make that connection 399 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:27.640 with the divine. 400 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.720 So is that kind of a form of intention or 401 00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:36.480