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where we tell you how to love people. It's love

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fim Late at Night, where we tell you how to

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love how to become a baby daddy and head on

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Speaker 7: All and what's up, y'all welcome. It's open for him,

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and that means open for him. I want to talk

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a little bit about the recent films that I've seen.

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My wife and I went to see films, and then

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we'll read some of the super chats from yesterday we'll

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open it up to all of y'all callers, to the goobers,

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the goofballs, the goof troop, the goofy goobers, all of

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y'all beloved callers. We're gonna open it up.

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Speaker 2: But so.

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Speaker 7: Two recent horror movies. We like to briefly break down

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these real quicker as you guys know, we do movie analysis,

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Esoteric Hollywood Part three is complete. I finished all the revisions.

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It is back at the publisher, hopefully going to the

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printer soon. We on black time over here, which is

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my time, which is whenever I show up, which is

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Gandolf time, because a wizard arrives precisely when he's meant

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to Fredeaux. We got hand farts, we got black voices,

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We've got Lord of the Rings references, We've got movie trailers.

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What else do you want in your life? Why are

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you even listening to any other content? Quote creator? What

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else is there?

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Weapons was certainly a better horror movie than Together. There

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were some aspects of Together that I thought were okay.

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only body horror that I can think of that. It's

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pretty good, is some of the David Crounnenberg movies. Otherwise

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it's usually just gross. Dude, it's like that, you know

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what I mean. So we watched this the other night

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that I thought we were pretty decent. Let me see,

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that good. Smile and Smile Too were pretty pretty creepy,

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if the message is too dark or satanic or nihilistic,

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it's very difficult for me to like the film. So

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getting together because she does the very cringe thing about

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if it's always sonny. That's how crazy. We're already into dystopia,

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one of them, Kaylin Olsen does it in one of them,

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but this is where we are anyway. So back to together,

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she ends up proposing to him, So we have this

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feminist statement that she's going to propose, and she does

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on their relationship and growing up or whatever. But Dave

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to the countryside, they meet this gay teacher who tells

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them that they should go spend some time in the

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woods and just kind of frolic around and get back

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to nature, and you know, somehow that will help them

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to solidify whether they want to be together or not. Well,

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it turns out there's this filth pool out in the woods,

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they all take place in different places. But they wander

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is sunken into the earth like a sinkhole, this old

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quote chapel. And in this chapel is this mysterious filth

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pool with nasty liquid. And because they get stuck down there,

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it rains really hard. They think, well, we may not

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because they aren't knew water to drink the filth pool.

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and look, Florida has a lot of filth pools. None

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of them taste good. They decided to do it for

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survival and they wake up tripping out because it has

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out and they notice that bells have been hung up

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all throughout the forest near this collapsed chapel. Their legs

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begin to stick together. They begin to be more and

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more drawn to each other. We think maybe their relationship

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they start to stick together, and as you can imagine here,

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they are kissing and then their you know, their lips

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is an allegory for their relationship, right. Their relationship is

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a push pull. She wants commitment, he doesn't want to commit,

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I knew that the gay teacher was in on it,

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and he's actually trying to get them to go drink

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this filth pool water because he wants them to merge.

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kind of like Plato and the ancient Platonic dialogues. And

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he starts talking about the Monad and Plato and this

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idea of all of us coming from one and then

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we fell and became separate particular individuals. Now, I mean,

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normy audience has no idea what Plato is or what

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the Monad is in terms of the systems. Right, So

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weird cult where they're going to try to merge people together.

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Lo and behold, that's what it is. The guy, the

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gay teacher turns out to be a hybrid too, gay

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dudes that went through the cult ritual of merging into one,

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and they have to recruit other people to merge into one.

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the cult having their underground meetings there merge into one

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and at I'm gonna go ahead and spoil it for

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you because I didn't really care for this movie. They

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become a hybrid seeming hermaphrodite. So it's no longer Alison

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Brien de Franco. It's now the hermaphroditic gender non binary

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almost like a Monophysite horror movie. So if you want

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to understand why we would critique Oriental Orthodox Christology, it's

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the final state of Alisonbrie and James Franco, which neither

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of which are either one. There this other third thing

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a tertium quid. But it's platonic because it's like Batha Met,

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the original dual gendered being. Batha Met's got the boobies

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as above so below. But that's not new to Elephus

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Levy or modern Satanism or Hermeticism. This is actually in Plato.

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Plato believed that the original It's also in the Kabbala

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Adam Cadmon, the original non gender, non binary bisexual being

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is the original God being. This is also taught in Crolin,

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as we said, in Kabbalah, and Platonism and hermeticism. So

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the idea, the esoteric occult idea behind a lot of

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the tr and Z stuff isn't just depopulation. It is

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all part of that, But a lot of these people

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actually believe the ideology of that somehow. If we get

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erase all differences, and this kind of underlies communism and

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socialism too. Right, if we could erase all differences and

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level the playing field entirely, and not just between ethnicities, races,

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people groups, or religions, but also between in classes. Right,

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class warfare also gender, The most fundamental warfare from these

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people's perspective, this sort of a cultic al chemical perspective

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or whatever you want to call it. Hermetic perspective is

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male and female. So if we get rid of the

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male and female by necessity, we will also then get

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rid of all the other particularities and differentiations. And it's

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like what Aldus Huxley talks about in his Parentio philosophy.

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But we'll create the big blob. Once everyone is a

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giant monochrome mono blob, there won't be anything to divide over.

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You won't have your religion and your ethnicity and your

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nation state and your tribe or whatever. We're all one giant,

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non binary blob. And I'm not joking anyway, So that

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is that movie. I was surprised to see the platonic

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monad getting over and getting beyond all differentiation themes. That's

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not what I expected in this movie. But then again,

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I don't know about Dave Franco, but James Franco is

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actually openly interested in Crowley. He's done himself Crowley rituals,

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or try to reenact them. I'm not joking. If you

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look this up, he spent several days trying to reenact

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some elaborate Croley ritually. Yeah here it is now supposedly

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this is performance art, but Twilight star newt c R.

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Brian Butler performed curly ritual together with James Franco. And

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then here's a bunch of dorks watching on, Oh look

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how cool this is. They're doing the Bartzabell working And

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I don't know who this chick is. She's supposed to

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be from Twilight or something. Anyway, James Franco has some

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role in this. I don't know what his role is

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all right, this is too bright. Let me turn this on.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 7: They wanted to invoke the spirit of Bartzabelle, the spirit

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of Mars into James Franco. Oh update, James Franco missed

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his flight and there was a stand in actor. Okay,

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I didn't know this. Did he miss the flight or

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did he just decide? Okay not, I don't really want uh,

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you know, butt demons inside of me. And I'm not

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joking because Crowley famously would h and insert himself into

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Victor Newburgh's butt. But yeah, this was eventually so. In

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other words, regardless of whether it was actually James Franco

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that showed up. Uh, we know that James Franco, perhaps Dave.

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I don't know. I do at least have some interest

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in Crowley and Croly and rituals. And the old ethos

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of Crowley is actually, as Croly himself said, the equalization

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of all actions and all values. Did you know that

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the equalization of all actions and all values. Because from

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Croley's perspective, or so he argued, if everything is equal,

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then the only thing that determines what's good and evil

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is the will of the majis right, So everything that's

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out there is just literally equal. I will determine as

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the most powerful magis good, evil, male, female, et cetera.

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Whatever I want based on my will you say? Now?

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The other film I do wants to mention was a

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much better film. I might play some of this future

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futuristic jazz music in a second. So hold on, let

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me pull this up over here. The cinematography, the music,

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everything in Weapons was on point. Now. My only criticism

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of Weapons is that it has a couple gruesome, like

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overly gruesome scenes that just weren't necessary. So a couple

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of times I had to turn my head away just

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because it was two gross. Otherwise, this is a really

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good movie. So basically brief analysis. Oh and I forgot

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to mention in Together the Cult, for whatever reason, had

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bells with all seeing eyes on the belt. I'm assuming

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this is supposed to mean wedding bells, and that you

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maybe some inversion of the bell that's rung during the

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liturgy or the mass, right the wedding bell, the call

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to mass or the invocation epiclesis in the Orthodox liturgy.

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When the priest is praying, you hear the bells, smells

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and bells. But interestingly, weapons also has bells with curious

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symbology associated with them. I'll give you what I think

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is going on, and then I want you, guys, if

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you have seen it yet, to let me know what

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you think is going on, because sometimes in films, and

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particularly in this one, there's some ambiguity in interpreting the symbologia.

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I don't exactly know how to interpret it. So we

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have a kind of a Middle America, average small town,

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and this strange event has occurred where the children in

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one classroom have all disappeared except for one child. So

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in the middle of the night, seventeen of them just

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sort of ran away in the middle of the night

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at two seventeen am, and they ran in this very

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sort of weird posture to we don't know where. So

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the whole town ends up in a tizzy, and obviously,

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and then for the next year or two they're very upset,

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and they blame Julia Garner, who I'm sure you've seen

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in many movies, because they all disappeared from her class

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for some reason. I don't know why this trailer is

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so dark, dude, I can't see anything, you know, this chick, right,

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So the whole town begins to blame her because they

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think that it had to have been her class for

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some reason.

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Speaker 8: And after the.

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Speaker 7: FEDS and the FBI and the police and everybody sort

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of looks into this, nobody can figure out.

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Speaker 8: What happened.

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Speaker 7: So Josh Brolin plays one of the dads who lost

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his son, and he of course also originally blames Julia

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Garner's character for it. She's developed an alcoholic, you know,

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she's become an alcoholic after all this, and she's thinking,

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I'm gonna have to move. I have to you know,

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find another job. I can't leave her anymore. And is

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it a sequel to Barbarian?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 7: I think it's the same people that made Barbarian, which

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is also a pretty good horror movie, but it is

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not a sequel. It's a totally different thing. Anyway, Josh

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Brolin decides that it's her, and so he's got this

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red paint and he paints on her car witch and

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paint that you can't scrub off. So you begin to think, Okay,

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there maybe is a witch involved. It's got witchcraft involved,

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and maybe it is Julia Garner. But she decides, I'm

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gonna have to prove myself innocent. Or else, no one's

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going to believe me. We're going to figure out what

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happened to these kids, So they both end up teaming up.

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But the best part of the movie is I think

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that it's told in that style. Very few movies are

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done are done this way. I can only think of

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a few. There's one that has Patrick Swayze that's pretty good.

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It's called eleven eleven, I think, and it's each character's

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vantage point of the same day, which is kind of difficult.

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Pulp fiction is kind of that. I mean, it's kind

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of difficult to pull off. I think that's why a

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lot of people don't do it. Is it eleven? Let

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me have I got the name wrong. Maybe it's not

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eleven eleven. There's a movie with Patrick Swayze from some

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years back that is the same style of film. We're

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gonna go back to open form here in a second,

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so I'm almost uncovering the movies. If you're that impatient,

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just hold on eleven fourteen. Maybe that's it. Yeah, this

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is it. Yeah, I forgot Hillary Swank was in this.

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So basically, this whole film is told from the vantage

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point of five different characters in one evening as they

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all intersect in one crazy event, right, And uh, I

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don't really remember this kind of a story since then, right,

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I mean, I'm sure there's been some movie told in

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this way, but uh, it's it's a it's a unique,

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out of time, you know, way to tell stories. And

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it was it was done very well, and so you're

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you're totally engaged. Every single character's vantage point is not

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just kind of absurd, and it's a very it is

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comedy too, right, This is has elements of comedy, which

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I think make it overall a really good film. It's

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not just a horror movie. But to get back to

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the esoteric point, and I'm gonna spoil it for so

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shocker here's spoiler alert right here. So it is a

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witch and you kind of become obsessed in the second

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half of the movie figuring out, Okay, who is the witch,

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Who's who's doing the witchcraft? Because we've seen these sort

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of passing images and glances of some kind of creepy

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looking witch, but we can't really make out what it

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is or what's going on. And the witch has her

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own network of symbology, as we could say that which

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connects her to On the one hand, we see triangles

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consistently positioned throughout the film, and the triangle of manifestation,

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I think is what this refers to, because that is

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very important in just most forms of witchcraft, whether it's

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more ceremonial witchcraft or Sanders Gardenerian, whatever type of witchcraft

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it is, the triangle of manifestation is very important. It's

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a very fundamental symbol within witchcraft. And I actually as

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soon as I saw the opening of the film, they

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showed us as triangle and I was like, Oh, it's

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gonna be witchcraft. So I knew nothing about the movie

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other than that everybody was saying it was good, so

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I was pretty much right there. I didn't know who

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was going to be the witch because it kind of

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leads you on some trails and you get distracted. But

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the witch also has a bell, and her bell has

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the number six on it and the triangle of manifestation.

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And it was just odd that we'd watched a movie

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the night before with, you know, this cult that had

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the bells with the all seeing eye on it. Here

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we have the witch has a bell with the number

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six and the triangle manifestation on it. I don't know

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what the purpose of the number six was obviously. I

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know that six in scripture refers to man being made right,

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the creation of man, you know, six sixty six. I mean,

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there could be a lot of obvious references to the

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number six. I don't exactly know what the purpose of

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the Witch having six in this movie was, though. I

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also don't know if you guys, if you did see it.

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When Josh Berlin has the dream that kind of helps

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him start to think about figuring out who's behind the

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missing kids, he sees the giant assault rifle in his dream. Again,

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I don't know why that was there. I think given

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that the movies titled weapons, maybe it was just a

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archetypal symbolic reference to weapons. And we're trying to figure

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out why is the movie named weapons. We haven't really

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seen a lot of weapons in the film, Like there's

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one cop that has a gun, and there's a guy

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with a knife and this and that. There's not a

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lot of weaponry, so you start to think that the

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weapons have to be something else. Well, you got it,

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weaponize Humans. Humans are the weapons and their weaponize when

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they're underneath the spell of the Witch. And I don't

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I think that this is a horror movie. That this

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is just a basic horror movie. I don't think it's

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trying to make a massive social commentary. But if I

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did try to make a social commentary, I would have

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to say that I think. I mean the way that

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people act in the movie, the way they're sort of

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going insane gradually as we get towards the climax of

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the film, it's almost like society is under a spell.

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People are going insane, They're going crazy, and we often

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want to say, well, it's just you know, social factors,

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it's this and that. But what I liked about this

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kind of like Twin Peaks, is like, maybe there's actually

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spiritual forces that are causing people to go insane, and

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in this town, basically a large portion of the town

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is actually under a spell, and that's why people are

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having these breaks and going insane, and the town ends

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up being they end up discovering who the witch is.

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I won't say exactly. I mean, I gotta totally spoil

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it for you if you do want to see the movie,

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it is a little gruesome and a couple of places.

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But yeah, maybe maybe this kind of a movie has

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a much better insight into what's really going on, like

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people are actually under mnemonic spells. They're not just low

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IQ or you know whatever. It's not just toxic food

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and toxic culture. That's all part of it. But maybe

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it's all so witchcraft in the sense of people are

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being influenced by dark spiritual forces. Let me know what

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you think below, if you watched either of the films,

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if you think I missed anything, if you have another

475
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,880
interpretation of the triangle manifestation, or of the number six

476
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or the bells that were used in the film, and

477
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I do want to read a couple of the super

478
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chaps before we go to the open forum here, and

479
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,159
you can call in on any topic you want. It's

480
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open open of course I am on YouTube, so obviously

481
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not every single possible topic, because anytime you say it's

482
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open for him, everyone wants to talk about Tiny Mustache Man.

483
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,159
I don't know why everybody wants to talk about Tiny

484
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,880
Mustache Man. I don't think he's even that interesting of

485
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,039
a character. But the Internet has just sort of created this,

486
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:54,360
these these obsessions and these you know, fixations, because I

487
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,599
guess people are just naturally drawn to what they think

488
00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:01,239
is edgy, So I guess that's the actual explanation. But

489
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:05,360
I did close the stream the other day without reading

490
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,119
some of these super chats, so I apologize to those people.

491
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:15,119
So I want to get to those Let's see where

492
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:21,000
I left off. I forgot Mementos Memento meet mentos Maury,

493
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Memento Mori or mentos Mori Mento's freshness. What are your

494
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:29,920
thoughts on some of the Mormons claiming that Jesus is

495
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eternally divine? Well, I mean, we believe that as Orthodox Christians,

496
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and so I'm not sure. Maybe some Mormons are claiming

497
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,599
that out of ignorance, thinking that that's their teaching as well.

498
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,119
It's not historic Mormon teaching. Even if a Mormon did

499
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,360
concede the eternal generation for some reason, it still wouldn't

500
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mean that the rest of their theology wasn't heretical. So

501
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:01,639
really wouldn't really mean much. Remember, it's you know, to

502
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,159
be orthodox or to have It's not like, oh, I

503
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,880
believe all the things in the Creed except for two

504
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,599
of them. Okay, it's not like an eighty percent thing.

505
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,679
You got to believe the whole Creed. You have to

506
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:16,920
believe the whole faith hood Rat Thirty four thirty two.

507
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,159
What is the fallacy called when a person asserts that

508
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because there's many religions, a single one could be true.

509
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,239
Is this the fallacy of incredulity? Yeah, I think what

510
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,599
you mean is, why would I believe that out of

511
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:37,519
the thousands of religions, somehow one of them is true. Yeah,

512
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,920
it's it doesn't follow from that, from the fact that

513
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,960
there's a lot of them, it doesn't follow that there's

514
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,840
not therefore one that's true. Just like if a lot

515
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,840
of people have different opinions on a math problem, it

516
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,760
doesn't follow from that that there is no answer to

517
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,599
the math problem. You see how that's a non sequitor.

518
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:57,960
And yeah, I would say in this case it's a

519
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:07,000
form of fallacy of incadulity. You're right, v Margulis. Jay,

520
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,039
I haven't watching streams. I was in the chat waiting

521
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:11,840
for you for a long time. You booted me because

522
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,199
you thought I was somebody else. Okay, well, I'm sorry,

523
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,360
I don't know which that was something yesterday I apologize.

524
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,840
Gabriel five dollars. You need to do a video game

525
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,239
walk through with commentary. I've done three and they don't

526
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,039
give many views. So I've done. We did some live

527
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,360
playing of resident Evil. We did some silent hill and

528
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,280
it's fun to do, but it gets one third of

529
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:39,519
the views. So sharif five dollars, How do you define

530
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:43,360
a person in regard to the relationship? What is relationship

531
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between a person and a soul? Well, in orthodox theology,

532
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,519
person is really reflected in the human domain from the

533
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,639
trinity and the relations of the persons in the triad.

534
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,719
So the person is distinct from the nature because the

535
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,960
person is the subject or agent, and the nature is

536
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,400
the what right as opposed to the person being the who.

537
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,880
So the person is who, the nature is the what.

538
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And so a human has human nature. The person is

539
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:18,000
the individual subject that has that nature, and that's what

540
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,440
individuates us or particularizes us, because I have the exact

541
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,559
same nature as you, but I uniquely instantiate in that

542
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,639
nature as the person Jay with all the qualities and

543
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,960
characteristics of Jay, And you uniquely instantiate human nature as

544
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,880
the person Bob. And that's modeled on the trinity. It's

545
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,639
not a one to one correspondence because obviously between the

546
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,400
trinity and between human beings there's vast differences. We are discrete,

547
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,480
separate beings. The trinity is one they're united in nature

548
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:54,079
and they are never separated or divided. Human beings are

549
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,559
sharing the same nature, but we are separated or divided

550
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,440
from one another. So there's not one to one parallels.

551
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,800
But there is an analogy between the one and the

552
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,719
many in humans, between nature and person, and humans and

553
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,559
nature and person. In the triad, the soul is not

554
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:14,400
the person or the subject. This is something that we

555
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:18,199
might make an easy mistake in terms of thinking, because

556
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,599
people like William Lane Craig identify the soul with the

557
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,679
person for Orthodox Christology coming out of the Apollinarian Crisis

558
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,239
and rejecting a Pollinarianism number one and by extension, Calcedon

559
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,039
and the Fifth and six Council's soul is a property

560
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,679
of nature. So we all have souls, but souls are

561
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,280
uniquely instantiated, as also my soul, Jay's soul, or Bob's

562
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,199
soul or father deacon soul. Right, so we uniquely instantiate

563
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,800
a common property or trade or attribute of soul that

564
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:59,079
we all share. That is not my opinion. This is

565
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,440
the Orthodox Church teaching, so you can call what I'm

566
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,079
saying opinion. There is no mother in the trinity. I

567
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,559
have no idea. What you're talking about American culture. You're

568
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,559
welcome to call in if you want, but no, we're

569
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not doing a crazy made up gnostic trinities today. So

570
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,519
what defines human nature in Orthodox anthropology is body, mind, soul,

571
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and will. And that's distinct but exists in the mode

572
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:35,519
of person. So persons have natures, they're not identical to

573
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their natures. That would be to reduce person in nature.

574
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And that's the move that Augustinians and tomass make, which

575
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we do not make. John Damascus says, and on the

576
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Orthodox faith, the root of all heresies or most heresies

577
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:51,400
is the collapsing of the confusing of nature in person.

578
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,440
Does a person subsist in the soul? No, a person

579
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is a subject or the agent that has or possesses

580
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:05,920
a soul, just like it possesses a body, a mind,

581
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,480
I will. Those are all components or parts you could say,

582
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of what a human nature is. Palomite one dollar, thank

583
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,280
you for helping me to convert from Orthodoxy to Catholicism. Yeah,

584
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,559
I don't believe that. No Roman Catholic person calls themselves

585
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,760
palamite and then says they're converting from Orthodoxy to Catholicism

586
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,519
and they only spent one dollar. Yeah, nice, try tried

587
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:36,199
cat young finessor five dollars, Jay, glad to see you

588
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,719
live again. By the way, why don't you call in

589
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,880
the people who do that kind of a thing where

590
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,519
they send one dollar to say that I converted them

591
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:47,199
to Rome from Orthodoxy? How come you don't call in

592
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,480
and make your arguments? Then we could we could see

593
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:56,119
how brilliant you were. Jay, I see that you're alive again.

594
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,119
Did you check out uncensored with Andrew? I have not

595
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,800
seen that a bald black lady is claiming to a

596
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,039
ball blacklead. I think you mean that play. There was

597
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,159
like a play where they made a crazy bald black

598
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:14,559
woman play Jesus and then I can't read the rest

599
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:20,119
of your super chests cut off. Steve mcglovin community has

600
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,400
a black faced joke about dark elves in the D

601
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,679
and D episodes. Yes, I remember that, Emilion, ten dollars.

602
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,480
Do not forget to like Jay's alive. Thank you, Emeli.

603
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:33,159
I appreciate that gens or gen Z five dollars. Good

604
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:39,079
faith argumentation means adhering to the internal logic of your position. Well,

605
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:42,519
I don't even think being a good faith in argumentation

606
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:44,880
even means that you're going to be internally consistent. It

607
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,159
just means that you mean well, that you're not there

608
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,199
to troll or to cause division or you know, you're

609
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actually there with the sincere intentionality of you know, getting

610
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to the point. So I wouldn't even say that good

611
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,039
faith means that you're going to be internally consistent. I

612
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,079
think you at least want to be internally consistent. Is

613
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being good faith admitting when you don't know something? It

614
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,159
could be This term is used a lot, but it

615
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:09,880
seems to mean things to different people. I mean, I

616
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,119
think it just means being sincere, like you're not You're

617
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,719
there to actually learn and to actually have a debate,

618
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,320
and you know, not just cause chaos or whatever. Strange

619
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,599
as our Dean Withers doct a father, doc's a father?

620
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Do you think he's going to jail? I don't know

621
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:34,079
who Dean Weathers is. Is that the person that has

622
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:37,639
the issue with like the child in Texas or something?

623
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I have no idea. I don't know anything about it.

624
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Speaker 8: Let's talk God.

625
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Speaker 7: What's your favorite icon? I mean, there's a lot of

626
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,639
really cool icons. I like the icons of Daniel with

627
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:52,760
the visions of the beasts. I like Elijah being taken

628
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,880
up in the chariot, which is a typology of the ascension.

629
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By the way, I don't know if I could pick

630
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one favorite. Sev three dollars. Religion saved my life. Well,

631
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,440
I guess that's good news, except religion could be anything, right,

632
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,719
I mean I could be I could so uh, you know,

633
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,360
religion saved my life. And I'm a scientologist, you know

634
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,320
what I mean. That's I don't know what that means.

635
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,000
So I think it needs to be the right religion otherwise,

636
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,599
otherwise it could just be kind of a delusion. All right,

637
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:27,239
let's open it up. We got some callers here. You

638
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,320
can call in on anything you want. If you disagree,

639
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,360
you got the head of the line. You can put

640
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,960
me on my place. You can smash me in a debate,

641
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:35,920
you can destroy me. I'm sure we got a lot

642
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,199
of flat earthers that are chomping out the bits to

643
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,039
just just because I'm a NASA's shill. That's what I've

644
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:46,719
heard the last few days. I'm paid by NASA. Even

645
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,119
though I critique all of the stuff that like Normis believe,

646
00:46:51,360 --> 00:47:01,079
I'm still a paid Shill for NASA. Nick, what's up, man, Jerry?

647
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: What's going on my man?

648
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,199
Speaker 7: What's on your mind?

649
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: Bro?

650
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 9: I don't have any flat earth theories, Unfortunately I wish

651
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,039
I did.

652
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not there today.

653
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Speaker 7: Okay, what's on your mind?

654
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: Then?

655
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Speaker 9: So I've been going through that philosophy course.

656
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Speaker 10: Another subtle plug for the philosophy course.

657
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Speaker 5: Just been awesome.

658
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Speaker 9: And as I was going through the epistemology lesson that

659
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you have with father, I'm.

660
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Speaker 7: Spacing on how to say his name right now while

661
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they're digging.

662
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Speaker 9: Yes, one thing that kind of tripped me up, and

663
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I just really wanted to know your thoughts and how

664
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you go about explaining it. So when you go into

665
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like correspondence, coherence, pragmatism, and I'm spacing on what the

666
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fourth one was, I guess what I'm kind of wondering

667
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is how is this different from I don't understand why

668
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philosophy separates the pre socratic approaches to finding truth like

669
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Dailey's had empiricism and nax Amander rationalism and some many mechanism.

670
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But then later there's theories like correspondence, coherous pragmatism. Is

671
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it just the different ways of saying the same things,

672
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like why is it necessary to treat them as separate

673
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categories instead of just one framework.

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Speaker 7: Well, there are different theories of truth, so people in

675
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history of philosophy have different truth theories. So there's a

676
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correspondence theory of truth. You know, there's different theories. So

677
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why would we wouldn't collapse them all as the same

678
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when different philosophers have different theories. So maybe I don't

679
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understand your question.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So like, okay, so correspondence theory like true if

681
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it matches reality, Like, wouldn't that be really similar to

682
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what Bailey's was saying that It's like it's what he's observed, like, oh,

683
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everything is water, so it must be water because I'm

684
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seeing everything is water.

685
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Speaker 7: Those are very different. So, I mean, the ancient philosophers

686
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weren't hyper specified with specific disciplines of epistemology. So basically,

687
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by the time you get to modern modern philosophy, after

688
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Descartes and those kinds of Enlightenment philosophers philosophy, and it

689
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gets more and more hyper hyper focus and technical, and

690
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the ancient guys might have some parallels with that, but

691
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they're not hyper focused. They're not hyper technical. For example,

692
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None of the pre Socratics are going to have a

693
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worked out philosophy of language. That's something that comes after

694
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the seventeen hundreds.

695
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Speaker 9: So is it almost like the pre Socratics they were

696
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just kind of giving methods to how you source the

697
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claim and then later on at least where I'm at

698
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:40,719
right now with epistemology and what you're explaining that unit,

699
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this is more the definition of how you present it

700
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so the reader accepts it as well.

701
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't even say they're giving methods. It's more so

702
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I mean, maybe a little bit, but they're more so

703
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just saying, hey, what if everything's this? You know what

704
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I mean. They're just sort of putting theories out of like, hey,

705
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here's a way to explain everything. Everything's fire or everything's water.

706
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I mean, I mean, there's a little bit of methodology

707
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in that they're stepping away from the mythological answers that

708
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you find in Homer and illio Odyssey, but they're they're

709
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not method questioning. A methodology itself actually doesn't really occur

710
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until post Enlightenment.

711
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Speaker 9: So is it not a methodology? Like Dailies for instance,

712
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wasn't he just empiricism? But just I mean, they didn't

713
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use that word back then, but was that not just empiricism?

714
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but he doesn't focus on methodologies.

715
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Speaker 9: He's just explained everything's water, right, So it's like it's

716
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almost like me using a later definition to explain something

717
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earlier on that doesn't what makes sense.

718
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

719
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Speaker 7: So basically the early guys just assume, uh, metaphysics, and

720
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they think that if you just give these sort of

721
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metaphysical explanations, that solves these problems. But it gets more

722
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and more abstracted and technical, and people begin to question

723
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more fundamental things as time goes on. So, in other words,

724
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after the Enlightenment, all the Enlightenment, I say, wait a minute,

725
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,239
all this ancient medieval stuff is putting the cart before

726
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,199
the horse. They're assuming that they know these things, but

727
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,280
they haven't actually given a basis for knowledge yet. So

728
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why are we going to listen to all these theories

729
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,320
and metaphysics when we don't know if we have a

730
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reliable theory of knowledge yet?

731
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Speaker 5: Okay, that makes sense.

732
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Speaker 10: And then I had one more thing about.

733
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Speaker 7: Tag If that's okay yep.

734
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Speaker 9: So I feel like, as you go down, let's just

735
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say opening up with the claim saying that logic can

736
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only exist because God exists, and then a secular individual

737
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would have like a counter to that, and you go

738
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back and forth with that person almost like moves on

739
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,639
a chessboard, and you kind of arrive at this point

740
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where they're going to hit a circular claim. And then

741
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,400
obviously the claim that you're making is well, I'm saying

742
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,840
that it's not just because it is the way it is,

743
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:55,920
I'm saying it is the way it is because of God.

744
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Speaker 10: And they'll say, oh, that's circular.

745
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 9: You're doing the same thing as men when you say no,

746
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,199
that's why it's called transcendental, because it's above the argument.

747
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:07,119
I feel like what I get from there is ad hoc.

748
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,480
People be like, you're just changing the definitions, like you're

749
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changing the.

750
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Speaker 10: Measuring sticks on.

751
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Speaker 9: I don't know if it's ad hoc's the right way

752
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to explain it, but I get I get that where

753
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it's like, oh.

754
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Speaker 10: No, you're just changing the term.

755
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Speaker 9: If I'm saying it is the way it is and

756
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you're saying it is the way it is because of God,

757
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,000
you're just creating a different version of a circular argument there.

758
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Speaker 10: So how do you go about counteracting that point in

759
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a debate?

760
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Speaker 7: Can you re say for me what exactly the argument?

761
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I don't know. They're just saying the transcedent argument is circular.

762
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Like the transcendental argument is just circular logic. Like

763
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you're you're saying it's a circular argument. You're saying the

764
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exact same thing. You're just saying it is the way

765
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it is because of God, Like you're the definition is

766
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,159
baked into the statement where it's like, isn't that why

767
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,320
it's called transcendental.

768
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Speaker 7: It's called transcendental because of the type of argument that

769
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it is a transcendental form of argumentation, meaning that it's

770
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an argument about preconditions for the possibility of knowledge.

771
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

772
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Speaker 9: So if I if I said, oh, Jay, that's circular

773
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though it's a circular definition there, what would you respond.

774
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Speaker 1: To that with.

775
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Speaker 7: The definition isn't circular? It's just what that doesn't make sense?

776
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,599
Like if you ask me what a thing is and

777
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,519
I define it, how would that be circular?

778
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Speaker 9: So maybe I'm misunderstanding circular on the if I say

779
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it is the way it is because it is, isn't

780
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that circular?

781
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Speaker 7: Yeah? But you asked me what the definition of a

782
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transcendental argument is. That's different from circular argumentation.

783
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Speaker 9: Okay, So if you're in the discussion with the person

784
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and then you're stating.

785
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Speaker 7: That, let's say logic, you're saying that logic.

786
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 9: Exists because God exists, and then everything is because God exists.

787
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,559
Is that not you falling into like a circular circular.

788
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Speaker 7: That's not what the argument is. That's not how the

789
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argument goes.

790
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Speaker 1: Okay.

791
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Speaker 7: The argument is that in order for knowledge to exist,

792
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there must be preconditions for knowledge. The precondition for knowledge

793
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are not found within normal empirical sense, data and knowledge.

794
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Therefore they have to be grounded in some other thing.

795
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God is the only type of being who could ground

796
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the preconditions of knowledge.

797
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Speaker 5: Okay, that makes more sense.

798
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Speaker 10: So I just don't think I was explaining the right way.

799
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Speaker 7: Then, well, what do you maybe you're I mean, I'm

800
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,599
not trying to be rude, but it sounds like you're

801
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:28,320
confused on what a transcendental argument is to me.

802
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,039
Speaker 9: I guess the way that I was looking at it

803
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as is that there's nothing like, nothing can exist without God.

804
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Speaker 7: So like if you apply it to logic, now that

805
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,320
that's not the transcendental argument. The argument is that knowledge

806
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:45,239
requires the preconditions of knowledge the preconditions of knowledge themselves

807
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,599
are not found in empirical sense data there prior to

808
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:54,760
science investigating the world, and this would be the things

809
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,840
like Aristotle's categories and qualities, or if you look up,

810
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,159
can't redefines Aristotle's categories to be what he calls the

811
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:08,199
preconditions we have the precondition of the external world, time

812
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,079
and space, causation, et cetera. So I think you need

813
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,719
to look into what the preconditions are because the argument

814
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,159
is not God is and therefore God's true. But thank

815
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:19,880
you for those questions. You'll get to that as you

816
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,079
If you're only up to the epistemology class, that's only

817
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,800
like three classes in so wait until you get up

818
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,280
into the enlightenment. A lot of them make more sense. FDA,

819
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:35,719
did you want to say anything? Father, Deacon? Did you

820
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,320
want to say anything?

821
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,039
Speaker 4: All right?

822
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 7: I guess not, Alpine. What's up? Well, you can call

823
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,960
in on Twitter or z her.

824
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 11: Hey, Jay, So I have I have two questions, one

825
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,559
for both you and for the deacon, and another.

826
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,199
Speaker 1: One I just have for you.

827
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Speaker 7: So let's just do one, just make it quick. What's one?

828
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:07,079
Speaker 8: Yeah?

829
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 11: So I'm going to Manatos in October and I'm gonna

830
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go visit a Veron and see the wonder working icon that.

831
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,280
And I was just wondering if both of you had

832
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,519
any like prayer requests that you wanted me to pull

833
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:18,800
to the Mother of God.

834
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 7: Pray for the conversion of the enemies and the haters.

835
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,039
How's that appreciate that knack?

836
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 4: You l Yeah?

837
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,119
Speaker 8: Why are you playing?

838
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Speaker 7: I just was looking for some chill music to play

839
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,199
in the background because sometimes I want to hear some

840
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:47,559
soothing sounds in the background, and the only way to

841
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:51,280
get around the copyright is to play some you know,

842
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,960
fake ass slop like this, So that's why I'm playing it,

843
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:58,079
and I'm playing it also to be silly.

844
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:58,519
Speaker 5: Why not?

845
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,599
Speaker 7: Y'all need to quit taking shit. So seriously, what's up now?

846
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:03,440
You el On you.

847
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,599
Speaker 1: Pjs A you uh? I was just wondering.

848
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 12: I don't have the book in front of me Esterry

849
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,360
in Hollywood. I let my friend borrow it.

850
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,199
Speaker 2: He's on a cruise.

851
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 12: But I came across something interesting with the shining photo.

852
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've already talked about this or not,

853
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,760
so pardon my.

854
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,199
Speaker 12: Ignorance that you'd have, But it turns out somebody found

855
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,000
the oris like the original photo of Jack Nicholson to

856
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:39,199
like the bat mit post. I don't know if you

857
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:40,920
knew if you signed to.

858
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:41,679
Speaker 2: That at all.

859
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's in it's in my chapter. What do you mean, Oh, oh,

860
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,320
it is in your chapter?

861
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 12: Okay, Sorry I didn't I didn't have the book in front.

862
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 8: Of me, but that's okay.

863
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:51,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

864
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 7: I end that chapter with talking about that photo warrior.

865
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:56,519
What's up, dude?

866
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: Hello, hear me?

867
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 7: Yeah.

868
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 13: So the other day I was talking to a Lutheran

869
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:09,960
fella and he was saying that not only Thomas aquine Us,

870
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:13,800
but also Saint John Damascene had.

871
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:17,039
Speaker 2: The idea that of the beatific vision.

872
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 13: In which we directly partake of God's essence.

873
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:23,519
Speaker 10: I don't even know if this is part of theology.

874
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,039
Can you clear that up?

875
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,119
Speaker 7: So the easternschurch fathers say that we see the things

876
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:32,320
around God. So that's not the beatific vision, which is

877
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,360
the Roman Catholic doctrine that we see the divine essence

878
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,800
and our intellect associated two different doctrines.

879
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,239
Speaker 13: In the beatific vision, do they say that they directly

880
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,960
partake of the essence of God?

881
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,719
Speaker 7: Or are they they say it's an intellectual perception of

882
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,400
the divine essence that satiates the intellect and makes you

883
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,199
not want to choose or will anything else. So it's

884
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:57,280
actually a platonic doctrine.

885
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,599
Speaker 13: Okay, So it's not a direct participation in the way

886
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,519
that would make you a member of the Trinity. They

887
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,719
couch it in somewhere.

888
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,639
Speaker 7: I think that when it comes to participation, they're always

889
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,639
inconsistent because half the time they'll talk like, you're really

890
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,440
participating God, but they've always they always restricted to a

891
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:20,199
created grace.

892
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:22,599
Speaker 1: Okay.

893
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,199
Speaker 13: That was my understanding was that they had to somehow

894
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:28,039
participate by analogy.

895
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,599
Speaker 7: Because yeah, that's what Aquinas says.

896
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,559
Speaker 14: Okay, well, okay, that's not what this person was saying,

897
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:32,960
thank you for.

898
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: I was just it was kind of bothering me.

899
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 13: I didn't know what they were accurately representing.

900
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: Aquinas.

901
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 7: No, that's what Aquinas says. As as far as I'm aware,

902
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:45,880
it never becomes other than a created reality, so that

903
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,719
you're participating in. But he thinks that you do see

904
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,000
the divine essence, which say, ciates your intellect and makes

905
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:54,840
you not want to choose anything else, which is like, well,

906
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,800
how is their free will? Well, I don't think they

907
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:01,679
care about answering that question, universal what's up Jacob Kabe

908
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,920
five dollars Jada, as you watch Jimbob's evolution debate, No,

909
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:09,000
I've been busy. I haven't. I'm not anti Jimbob. I

910
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:12,440
love Jimbob. I just I can't watch everybody's content. Don't

911
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,079
have time, but I'll probably see some clips or something.

912
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,320
It seems like evolution proponents can't answer the teleological questions

913
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:25,920
of why even within evolution there is an attention No,

914
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:29,079
I think any any kind of metaphysical question is actually

915
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:32,719
going to be a huge problem for these sort of materialistic,

916
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:48,960
processed philosophy positions. So what's up, universal man? David Murdock

917
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:52,440
art ten dollars. When a Mormon says Christ was always divine,

918
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,719
this is actually weasily Mormons speak, That's what I would assume. Yeah,

919
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,400
they're actually they're referencing their infinite timely where matter and

920
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:05,800
intelligences always existed as uncreated. They're playing word games. Yeah,

921
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,920
I would think, So what's up, universal man?

922
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, the day I have a question only problem of people?

923
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:15,599
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.

924
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:19,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, because well you.

925
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 15: Will know about the argument from Paul coop Plant's book,

926
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:27,360
is God a Moral monster? From my unders how I

927
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:32,800
saw from my review. If God knows everything that was

928
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,599
to take place before it took place, then to my mind,

929
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:41,239
I agree with the atheist argument that he is a

930
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,000
moral monster.

931
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 10: Right, How I get a wrong?

932
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:46,559
Speaker 7: That is that.

933
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,159
Speaker 15: You believe that God is outside of space and time?

934
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 10: But am I correct?

935
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's transferndent.

936
01:01:55,719 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 15: Okay, okay, I how I get a wrong? It is

937
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:04,320
argument for God knowing everything? Therefore his amoral monster is

938
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,400
that I don't actually believe that he's outside of space

939
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:13,159
and time. And the from the grounding scripture from my

940
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:19,679
entire world view is Genesis three, when God rested on

941
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:20,480
the seventh day.

942
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 10: So my understanding is that God is a creature.

943
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,519
Speaker 7: He's a process. Philosophy created God.

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Speaker 15: My no, But what I'm saying is, well, God rested

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on his seventh day.

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Speaker 16: Right, Well, if you repted on the seventh day, then

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you must be a person who works, and he must

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be a creature.

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Speaker 15: Okay, Well, could you allow me to make the argument. Right,

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so when so my understanding is when he rested on

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his seventh day?

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Speaker 16: Excuse you said three genuses three? Kah phone, please do

953
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not speak true fund must redeem first. Sure, but probably

954
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we will say that, yes, you're a correct, sir, laptop.

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Speaker 8: What's up? God?

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Speaker 16: Did the creature Ramano rest Morgit a very tired? The

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papers are returned.

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Speaker 8: What's up, dude, Joseph? What's up dog?

959
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Speaker 7: This guy actually has a dog on his profile, so

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when I say what's up, dog, I'm talking to his pet.

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Speaker 10: A pretty good impression.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't an impression, Oh for sure, it was one

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of my alternate persons within my head, or.

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Speaker 8: Sure live in my head.

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Speaker 5: I just had a quick question.

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Speaker 17: In the Bible, or there's if you look at up,

967
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there's certain Bible links that all because I was looking

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up John the Baptist's birthday and it's supposed to be

969
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six months before Jesus Christ. And there's a lot of

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Christians that believe that he was born in March tenth

971
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due to the lunar solstice or something like that, and

972
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the months had different names back then, I believe, and if.

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Speaker 10: He was born March tenth.

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Speaker 17: That would put Jesus Christ's birthday six months later on

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nine to.

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Speaker 1: Eleven and.

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Speaker 7: Super retarded.

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Speaker 10: It is a mega ritual in the destruction of God's

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foundation of earth.

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Speaker 7: The killers that's so we're going to actually get in

981
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the skits today. Why would you think this is true?

982
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This is so stupid.

983
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Speaker 5: It was just a question.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. So there's an article that covers this, and I'll

985
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link it right here. Well, Christmas is not pagan by

986
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,119
I forget this guy his name. Let's see here it does,

987
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father Jeff Harvey, why Christmas is not pagan? And this

988
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article he goes into the dating of the birth of

989
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John the Baptist, and that should answer all of these

990
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retort level emotions clouds or something. Get your head in

991
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,320
the clouds, get your head off the clouds.

992
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,119
Speaker 8: Ask your question.

993
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,559
Speaker 5: Hey, sorry, sorry mate, just a wave it. We're kind

994
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:37,000
of ducking cover from the boss. I just got a question.

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01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 18: I'm got a Unitarian friend and I've gone through most

996
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,079
of your videos on Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons, and it

997
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:47,599
seems in Genesis eighteen, you'll say.

998
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,079
Speaker 19: That Abraham fell down before the agel of the Lord,

999
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and I believe.

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Speaker 5: Did he offer worship to him?

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Speaker 7: Eighteen?

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Speaker 18: Uh, he says someone.

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Speaker 19: When the Angel of the Lord or God appeared to

1004
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:12,480
Abraham at the oak tree, and Abraham like fell down on.

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Speaker 7: His knees and bowed down and said, you know, I'm

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01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:18,079
your servant. Yeah, so identify I guess as the Lord.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I guess like my friend's position is. He

1008
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will then say, well, actually, in Genesis nineteen, Lot is

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with those two angels.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of in Gomorah.

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01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,719
Speaker 19: And then Lot also falls down before these two angels

1012
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,440
and says, you know, I'm your servant, and it actually

1013
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,199
says like he worshiped these two angels.

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01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,679
Speaker 7: So right, it has nothing to do with Navigator. So

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in the scriptures, you can bow down and revere even

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01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,800
created beings Joshua and Joshua seven bows before the tabernacle

1017
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:58,000
and the temple and the altar. Joseph bows before Pharaoh.

1018
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,159
So bowing isn't the problem. The text it self identifies

1019
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who the beings are. And so in Genesis we're told

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that one of the angels is the Lord and the

1021
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,039
other two are angels. So the text itself tells you

1022
01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:15,079
when it's Yahweh here, it is Yahweh, the Lord appearing

1023
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,239
by the tent door. The other two angels are identified

1024
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,079
not as Yahweh, because it is this one that is

1025
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the Lord. The other two are the angels.

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01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:28,679
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what he keeps saying.

1027
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,039
Speaker 19: Like it's just theophany and then he'll sort of spin

1028
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:35,320
it to well, actually, it's like Yahweh's just being channeled

1029
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:36,159
through his message.

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01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,599
Speaker 7: Well, but God doesn't give his glory to another, and

1031
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,440
so in Judges, for example, with Gideon, it says Yahweh

1032
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:48,920
turned his face to Gideon. In Exodus twenty three, it

1033
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:51,719
says that the name of Yahweh is in the Angel.

1034
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,639
There's no other age. There's no created beings like Michael

1035
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:57,280
and Gabriel who have the name of Yahweh in them

1036
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,719
to remit sins. So your friend is just missing the

1037
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,119
whole point and confusing it on the basis of the

1038
01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:07,480
term angel. Angel is just the word messenger. It could

1039
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be a created or an uncreated messenger, TINGU, what's up,

1040
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:31,600
tangu i mute. We can also prove this from Leviticus nine,

1041
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,760
where we see the glory of the Lord appearing. God's

1042
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,520
glory is not a creature. And yet we're told that

1043
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,479
the glory cloud and the fire, the glory and the

1044
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:47,520
fire of God and the Lord himself appear visibly and

1045
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,119
all of Israel sees it. Okay, Angels are not the

1046
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:54,560
glory of God. So this is another stupid because all

1047
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,520
of these Ariyans are just completely stupid and they get

1048
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,760
tripped up on grammar. They can't even do like basic

1049
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:09,159
grammar laptop. Yeah, it's so weird of a work. Like

1050
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:15,239
people are just like mentally incapable of understanding words and grammar,

1051
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,840
and they they have these crazy theories they read into

1052
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,399
grammar and work like that. You know, the whole Jordan

1053
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:26,159
Maxwell schizo stuff we were talking about. Or let's go

1054
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:31,760
back to this again. Notice the commonality between idiotcy theorists

1055
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:38,800
and heretics when it comes to interpreting words. It's like

1056
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,279
they're mystified by words. They don't understand subject predicate relations.

1057
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,119
It's it's kind of insane, and they don't understand. It's

1058
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,359
like they don't understand that the same word can be

1059
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,600
used in different context to mean different things. It's really insane.

1060
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,840
And even Saint Basil said, like most of the heretics

1061
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,760
are just messed up on basic grammar. They can't predicate correctly,

1062
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:03,439
and then they all these wild metaphysical speculations just like

1063
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,840
schitzos do, and I mean literal actual schizophrenic people. Let's

1064
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,720
look at this conspiracy gibberish and how stupid this is

1065
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:14,199
no less means be less, be less you.

1066
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,199
Speaker 10: A soldier is a soulder.

1067
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:19,039
Speaker 20: You are weakened on the week end from the weak

1068
01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:22,640
days days is unable to think in a state of confusion.

1069
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,920
On the week days, you work a job, which is

1070
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,359
Hebrew for persecuted. On that job you earn and earn

1071
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,159
is a vessel for the ashes of the dead. Awake

1072
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,720
is awake. Awake is a gathering that takes place before

1073
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,039
a funeral. Hollywood is the holywood, the wood from a

1074
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:41,079
holy truth. This wood was used to create magic ones.

1075
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:42,920
They cast spells to a.

1076
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 7: Have you ever interacted with people that suffer and I'm

1077
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,479
not being mean, I'm being serious, like the suffer from schizophrenia.

1078
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,960
This is how they understand words. They think words only

1079
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:56,520
have like one reference and the reference must be to

1080
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,840
the most insane ontological reality.

1081
01:10:59,159 --> 01:10:59,279
Speaker 1: Right.

1082
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:04,399
Speaker 7: So like if if a soldier soldier which that one's

1083
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:14,760
one of the dumbest ones, bless you be less like soldier,

1084
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:22,720
this soldier is a soul, dire, dire, ah shit, my

1085
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,680
name is a killing word. To quote the Lizan al Gaib,

1086
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:32,119
to quote Mauldeb, to quote Paul Ussel, my name dire

1087
01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:35,239
is a killing word. I'm sorry because every time you

1088
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:37,199
come to my live stream and you pronounce my name

1089
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:48,920
dire die, Oh she damn son. Who would have ever

1090
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:52,560
thought that the insanity of Jordan Maxwell is the same

1091
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,439
root mistake of idiot heretics who can't do basic grammar.

1092
01:11:57,239 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 20: Solda, you are weakened on the weak end.

1093
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:07,279
Speaker 7: You're weakened on the weekend by but you wonder why

1094
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:09,279
I don't spend more time on TikTok? This is the

1095
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:15,720
TikTok crowd, Yo, what do we say with the black keeper?

1096
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,000
Israelites were the true we the true Israe lights because Jewish,

1097
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:29,319
they're Jewish, they're a little bit Jewish, but not like us. Dog, laptop,

1098
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:29,680
what's up?

1099
01:12:32,119 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 21: Can you hear me?

1100
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:33,319
Speaker 22: I can hear her.

1101
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,199
Speaker 23: I called him a long time ago when you had

1102
01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:41,680
that the awesome stream about Kristian Prince and the stupidity

1103
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,159
of him and that Athenitions quote. So I just want

1104
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:46,279
to thank you helped me with an answer about econography

1105
01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:46,760
way back then.

1106
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 7: Ask good.

1107
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,279
Speaker 3: So thank you for that.

1108
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: I had a question.

1109
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 23: I have some Protestant friends and I just want to

1110
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,319
to ask if I'm going the right way when.

1111
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 10: I'm talking to them.

1112
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 23: With regard to the canon of scripture. I've watched I

1113
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,920
think everything you have on the kind of scripture and

1114
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:02,319
the debate.

1115
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 24: They've been very, very helpful.

1116
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 23: One thing I'm trying to understand is I tried to

1117
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,840
take it almost step back, like a little bit more.

1118
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,159
Speaker 2: I don't know metal is the right world or not.

1119
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:11,359
Speaker 7: But not even just the.

1120
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,159
Speaker 2: Which books that they should know.

1121
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 23: For example, they come of talking to whomever whatever Protestants,

1122
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,239
but the question not even which books, but how do

1123
01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:21,439
they know they should even read this book to beginner with?

1124
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,920
How do they know they should even have a scripture,

1125
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:27,399
any scriptures? And they have no choice but to even

1126
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,840
the idea of having a book this goal.

1127
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 2: They have to appeal to the early Church.

1128
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,239
Speaker 23: They have to appeal to what the early Christians believe,

1129
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:36,960
what was handed down. So I've been wondering if that's

1130
01:13:37,159 --> 01:13:37,600
that's just.

1131
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 7: The Apostolic authorship is only known from tradition, and Apostolic

1132
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,640
authorship is one of the key reasons why we would

1133
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,760
read Matthew's Gospel. So this is a huge puzzle piece. Yes,

1134
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:55,760
now they might argue that, well, the Jews had, you know,

1135
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,720
the Torah and the prophets, and they had what Paul

1136
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,560
calls the scriptures to Timothy, So therefore we should expect

1137
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,760
that there would be new Testament scriptures. And yeah, but

1138
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,039
that doesn't tell you which ones are the New Testament scriptures.

1139
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:11,800
That's the thing in question. And yeah, great question. Just

1140
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,239
look at the recent critique that we did of Wes

1141
01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:17,640
Hoff because West have tried to make a video about

1142
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,520
the cannon, and you never actually answered the thing in question.

1143
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,319
He just said early church fathers cited books. Yeah, but

1144
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:28,119
nobody disagree with that. That was never The question is

1145
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:31,800
what's the final list of the authoritative books? Alistair? What's up?

1146
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 8: Sure? Sure?

1147
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 16: Sure, go to rest On seven today in the trees,

1148
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,119
go do what's cutting down the trees?

1149
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:56,520
Speaker 8: What's up man? Alistair?

1150
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 7: Hello, there's nobody used. I don't understand, like I see

1151
01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:16,119
every day, like dozens of Twitter what do you call them?

1152
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,119
Space is going on and then have to be able

1153
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,479
to come on here like have never turned their mic on.

1154
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,359
I don't understand, Like have you all never done this before?

1155
01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:28,279
We've been doing this for like seven years here, Vin.

1156
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 8: Louver, what's up?

1157
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:29,039
Speaker 2: Man?

1158
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,119
Speaker 16: Should stop being racious? Star Shadow when you're doing devices

1159
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:39,920
racist vicious, I'll have.

1160
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 7: You know, eight Indian food yesterday after church.

1161
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, how's it going?

1162
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,119
Speaker 25: Oh yeah, what you reminded me about? Like the name

1163
01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:54,119
thing is a lot of people Lava Pagans say like, oh,

1164
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:58,600
Easter is the pagan religion because Oyster or for some

1165
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:04,640
reason oyster God. No Oyster the Greek goddess of I.

1166
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 7: Mean I had a black girl.

1167
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,239
Speaker 25: Yeah. Anyways, Uh, we're all gonna talk about I've been

1168
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,520
thinking about the metaphysical nature of evil and it makes

1169
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,880
perfect sense, you think I metaphysical wise, You know, a

1170
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,039
knight has to go defeat the dragon, safe the princess,

1171
01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:18,800
get the treasure in order to be a knight. The

1172
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,439
same today to be the hero. But without the dragons lay,

1173
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:23,079
there's no knight.

1174
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:24,079
Speaker 24: He has nothing to do.

1175
01:16:24,399 --> 01:16:26,319
Speaker 25: I mean, what's Spider Man without his villain? Just a

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guy in tights flying around doing nothing.

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Speaker 10: And though God does not.

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Speaker 25: Want us to be doing evil and his permissive will,

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he allows us. Because he allows us, don't forcome to

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become the hero because you know, you gotta say your dragon.

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Speaker 8: Yeah that sounds well, yeah, you know it sounds like

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you've been listening good, You've been listening good. Hey, you

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gotta slay your inner bregons.

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Speaker 7: Calling what's up? We got a JB P in the chat.

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We got a little JB P in the chat. Thank yo.

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Speaker 21: I was gonna ask what about the verses like how

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do you defend the verses in deuterotomy like chapter twenty

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what verse fourteen where it says, but the women and

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the little ones and.

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Speaker 1: The cattle are all gonna be spoils of the enemies.

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Speaker 26: But like the dispensationalists will say, like, oh, well, God change,

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but like we know, as you know, as like Orthodox,

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we believe that God doesn't change over time. So how

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do you defend the in deuterotomy against heretics?

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Speaker 7: Well, God had laws for what they could do, what

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they're called laws of warfare, So I don't understand, like

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you couldn't rape them, You couldn't you know, do what

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you wanted to do with them. They had certain rights,

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So what's the problem.

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Speaker 21: Well, they'll say, like like the children and stuff like

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that's their biggest like the eightiest like argument is that their.

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Speaker 5: That's their biggest thing.

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Speaker 7: So because God gave principles for the rights of people

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who were taken in warfare for the first time ever

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in the ancient world, that's somehow a mark against Christianity. Hell,

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I don't know, no, but I'm saying it proves our position.

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Speaker 1: That there's laws for warfare.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that the people who were prisoners of war

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actually had rights. M you can't rape and kill them

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as you list here. In fact, they had rights. That's

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the point.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, thank you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean it's not like, I mean, what what, what's

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God going to do? Tell Israel never fight again? Be

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a bunch of peace knicks. Well, their enemies were going

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to completely wipe them out if they did that, because

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the motivation to destroy Israel, as we've seen, for example,

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in the case with Pharaoh or in the case with Herod,

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is actually to destroy the Israelites, not because they have

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magical Jewish blood or DNA, but because they're going to

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produce the Messiah. So the motivation that Satan has to

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destroy Israel as a nation and as a people is

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precisely to destroy the Messianic lineage, which has been promised

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since Genesis to the woman. So Satan has had this

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desire to stamp these people out, and by extension now

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to stamp Christianity out right, because he hates the seed

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of the woman who is now the Christian Church but

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is also marry. So that's the whole purpose of the

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proto evangelium in Genesis three fifteen, and why Satan had

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such a motivation to try to destroy these people. They

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offer us what's up, but no, it's really actually it's

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a reddit lie. I don't even know where these reddit

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people come up with us. They think that the Israelites

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could have like child sex slaves. That's nowhere in deuteronom

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I don't know where they make this stuff up. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a short question.

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Speaker 11: There's been this like Muslim guy who's been spying me

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for weeks looking for a debate.

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Speaker 2: I messaged Luis yesterday.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I unblocked him and he said he can't come

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here today.

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Speaker 23: So, oh, I don't know, he said, you know, he

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said he tried to get on, but like there's only mood.

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Speaker 2: You only want to talk about movies.

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Speaker 7: That's what he wrote in your That's not true. I

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said that after I talk about movies for ten minutes,

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I'll open it up to everything else. And he told me,

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he told me in DMS he couldn't come, so he's lying.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, he's like.

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Speaker 7: His profile is refuting Orientalists. I already sent him the link.

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So leon lyon what's up? Man, lyon what's up? I'm you,

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what's up?

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Speaker 1: Ject?

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Speaker 7: What's on your man?

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Speaker 10: Okay?

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Speaker 5: So I've been talking with some of like my Protestant friends.

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They're not Evangelicals, they're.

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Speaker 27: More like classical Protestants in the sense.

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Speaker 5: Of like Lutherans and Reformed.

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Speaker 27: So my question is not basically to me, like the

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whole argument for solid scrip tour. It doesn't really make

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sense to me. I believe more on the traditional side

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of like believing in church church tradition. But I guess

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like the only thing that's kind of plaguing in my

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mind is like I'm not really to adapt at the

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history of this. So one of the main like points

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they've went against me is the end of it, like

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the intercession of the Saints. But they say it doesn't

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show up as a church tradition until like the.

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Speaker 1: Third like like mid.

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Speaker 7: Just say, yeah, but neither does the Protestant canon show up.

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So that refute your own your own premise. So if

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we have written evidence of something before the third century

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to believe it, then we shouldn't believe the Protestant Canada

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scripture because there is no Protestant Canada scripture for centuries.

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Speaker 27: Okay, but what they would also say, like, it doesn't

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necessarily show up in the oral tradition.

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Speaker 7: It's mentioned in the ancient liturgies. So what do you

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mean the ancient liturgies mentioned the intercession of the saints.

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It's in Revelation five through nine. How's that that's an

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ancient liturgical text. People don't think about the Book of

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Revelation as an ancient liturgical text.

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Speaker 25: But it is.

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Speaker 7: Are you talking about the cloud of witnesses Revelation five

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through nine, which I've cited probably fifty times in debates

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when Protestants call in go look up intercession of the

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Saints' clips. I'm not being rude. I'm just saying, like

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that whole section is about the heavenly liturgy and the

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intercession of saints in heaven. Petro's biological male in the house.

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Thank you for that question.

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Speaker 10: Okay, can you hear me? Hey, you's got two Armenians.

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Speaker 1: In a row.

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Speaker 7: M Is that good news or bad news? Only Armenian

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I know? Is Sam Tripoli?

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Speaker 1: There you go?

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Speaker 28: What about search TANKI and from system of a down.

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Speaker 8: I do not know him.

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Speaker 28: Okay, okay, So first of all, I've been watching your

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the Oriental U series you've been doing.

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Speaker 10: Man, It's it's been very you know, very very informative

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for me.

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Speaker 28: I've ordered you know, I remember the last time I

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called in, you recommended.

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Speaker 10: A book, The Disputation with h Farius.

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Speaker 7: Uh I forget the name, but Paris Disputation by Saint Maxim.

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Speaker 25: Yes.

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Speaker 28: Yes, So I've been reading that and I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 28: So my question is, so, I unfortunately live just outside

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of Satan's asshole, uh Portland, Oregon, and I'm trying to

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find a I'm trying to find an Orthodox church to

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start attending, and so what would you what would be

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some things to look out for, because you know, I

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know how it is with you know churches.

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Speaker 7: You know, being like, really visit them all and just

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look out for anybody talking about Schotle stuff or we're

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all the same religion or just all this the standard

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kind of you know, ecumenist type stuff. By the way, no,

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that's not too quotua to point out that you have

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a double standard. So there's two there's a difference between

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a two quotuay argument and a double standard. If the

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question is the standards themselves, then it's not a too

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quotquay to say, hey, you have a double standard, because

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you're saying that for you, as a Protestant, it doesn't

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matter whether there's first, second, and third century witness in

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a written way to the Protestant Candida scripture, You, as

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an Orthodox person, must prove to me, the Protestant, that

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there's written textual evidence of intercession of saints, which, by

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the way, there is in the ancient liturgical rites and liturgies.

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But that's not the same thing as a two quotua

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where you say, well, you know what, yeah, I guess

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I got problems, but you've got problems too, right, So

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it's categorically two different arguments. They kind of look similar

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at times, so I can understand why you might think

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that turning the tables on the opponent might be a

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two quot wray, but it's not right. So when a

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Roman calviolk says, okay, you say that we got you know,

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a liberal pope, well you got liberal bishops, that's a

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two quot way why because the argument is not who

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has or doesn't have liberal bishops? The argument is the

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system itself is flawed at a fundamental level, and thus

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it's a false comparison to say when we argue that

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the pope is actually contradicting itself and being heretical, that's

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not the same thing as a patriarch Raay Bishoman the

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Orthodox Church saying something wrong because we have a different

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system and a different ecclesiology. Likewise, when a Protestant says

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I'm only going to accept written textual evidence for a

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belief in the first, second, or third century, or I

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won't believe it, he's inconsistent because he doesn't actually follow that.

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So two different arguments, two quote way is not a

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double standard argument, lieber lamb.

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Speaker 8: What's up? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, two quotua is actually a way to shift the

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argument away into something else. It's a good way to

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put it. Yeah, it's like a form of red hearing thinking.

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Welcome everybody. It's open for him. Father Deagan has joined us.

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Speaker 8: If you would like to.

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Speaker 7: Call in with your challenges, debates, questions, the link is

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right here in the chat. It's the Twitter link. We'll

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look and see if that Muslim guy has joined us.

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I'm muted, Yes, what's that mean?

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Speaker 29: Ija, I've been watching your YouTube channel for a little while,

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and I appreciate orthodoxy, but I'm a Buddhist.

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Speaker 10: I wanted to kind of like go over some of

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the transcendental arguments stuff with you, Okay, okay, So, like

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from a.

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Speaker 29: Buddhist POV, we would kind of have this idea of

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two truths, wherein the.

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Speaker 10: Transcendental argument would fit into a conventional truth and it

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would describe kind of the world in.

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Speaker 29: A mundane sense, and then there would also be ultimate truth.

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But ultimate truth would be treated as a perceptive, so

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you know, apart from any medium, we would perceive it,

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if we use the word perception, we would perceive it directly.

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We would penetrate it directly.

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Speaker 10: And so I'm curious, like, what are your thoughts on

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kind of like the Buddhist way of, you know, grappling

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with that.

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Speaker 7: I don't really know what any of that's supposed to mean. Honestly,

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I think that a lot of the irrational mysticism and

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Buddhism actually ends up just being incoherent, contradictory nonsense.

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Speaker 29: So one kind of parallel I woul draw would be

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between say, like the mysticism of Buddhism, which is kind

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of oriented around virtue and things like that.

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Speaker 10: And then the way that the desert callers who are kind.

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Speaker 29: Of included in the phili okoy of how they approach

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kind of Christianity. What are your help there?

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Speaker 7: Well, some of the philocalia, now the philiokoy.

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Speaker 29: So okay, some of them corrected me one time when

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I pronounced it is philucalia and it mixed me up.

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Speaker 7: Now that's the philioque is a different thing from the philocalia.

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Speaker 14: First of all, you're not going to be able to

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get Buddhism to work with the transidental argument of the

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consistence of God because you need a personal God. That

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reveals you need the incarnation, you need a triad persons.

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So none of that doesn't come any work.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, isn't ultimate reality impersonal in your view?

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Speaker 29: So ultimate reality would be penetrated by the person, and

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so it wouldn't really you know, it's like we could speak.

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Speaker 10: About it impersonally, but a person penetrates it with their mind.

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Speaker 7: That's not what I asked you, is the person is

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the ultimate reality itself impersonal, not asking do you penetrate

1404
01:29:23,079 --> 01:29:23,760
it as a person.

1405
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, it's impersonal.

1406
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, So ultimate reality is chaos and meaninglessness.

1407
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 14: Right, Well, because ultimate leader evidental. Because if you don't

1408
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,680
have a person that stands behind the universe, that creates

1409
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:45,199
and sustains so that there's intention behind, you have accidentallysm

1410
01:29:45,279 --> 01:29:47,279
So you're in the same boat as the atheist, right,

1411
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,000
like you tacking on a bunch of stuff like little

1412
01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:52,680
truth and blah blah blah two type that's not going

1413
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:53,479
to do anything for you.

1414
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 29: Well, like, my response here is just that it wouldn't

1415
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:00,399
be dislocated from a provisional truth to the in which

1416
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:00,880
to say.

1417
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 10: We navigate the world.

1418
01:30:02,199 --> 01:30:04,199
Speaker 14: What I'm saying it has nothing to do with truth.

1419
01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:08,359
It has to do with intentionality behind behind the universe,

1420
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:11,880
So a whole other issue.

1421
01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 29: Yeah, that intentionality would be a provision that you set

1422
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,239
forth in your aspiration towards the truth.

1423
01:30:19,039 --> 01:30:22,119
Speaker 7: We're talking about the ap not yours. That's just so stupid, right,

1424
01:30:22,199 --> 01:30:22,880
I just can't even do it.

1425
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:23,119
Speaker 2: Man.

1426
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 7: We're not talking about your perspective and what you think.

1427
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,119
Speaker 10: We're talking about a god that's personal behind the.

1428
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 14: Universe, that creates the universe and sustains it and reveals it.

1429
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:39,159
You don't believe that, So you're an accidentalism, right, So

1430
01:30:39,359 --> 01:30:41,039
you have a defeater for truth and knowledge.

1431
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,079
Speaker 10: So you talking about all.

1432
01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:45,239
Speaker 5: This other stuff completely irrelevant exactly.

1433
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, your perspective has nothing to do with if. All

1434
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:54,359
of reality, as your own position says, is accidentalism, chaos,

1435
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,840
and impersonalism. That's why, ultimately it seems to me like

1436
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,039
Buddhism just kind of ends and atheism. What's up, man,

1437
01:31:03,039 --> 01:31:05,600
You're eager to come and debate us? You're here? What's up?

1438
01:31:09,079 --> 01:31:09,279
Speaker 30: Yeah?

1439
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 5: I was looking for Christians to debate.

1440
01:31:14,199 --> 01:31:15,079
Speaker 7: What are you talking about?

1441
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:15,159
Speaker 1: You?

1442
01:31:15,399 --> 01:31:17,399
Speaker 7: You reached out to multiple people to come to bate.

1443
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,600
You are looking for Christians a.

1444
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 5: Debate, That is what I mentioned.

1445
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,359
Speaker 8: Okay, Brad, what is your argument?

1446
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:29,039
Speaker 1: Uh?

1447
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 31: Well, to be honest before I get into the argument, right,

1448
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,760
I've seen a lot of cognitive dissonance from Christians like you.

1449
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,319
Christians in general try to pretend that their records are.

1450
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, very much corneritive, Brad. What is the argument?

1451
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:52,600
Speaker 5: Well, first, I'm.

1452
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 32: Making a simple point that Christians are basically shipped for preservation.

1453
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, we're no good bad papers. Yes, you have poop,

1454
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:04,119
you have poop vendors in streets, but we are bad papers.

1455
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 8: You you have garbage culture, but we are bad paper. Yes,

1456
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:11,439
we're very bad.

1457
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 7: Make your argument.

1458
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 10: I don't think it's about bad.

1459
01:32:16,119 --> 01:32:17,359
Speaker 2: I don't think Christians are bad.

1460
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 33: I think it's most of them are deluded and desperate.

1461
01:32:20,399 --> 01:32:25,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, very much so, yes, yes, very desperate. So this

1462
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,880
is good argument. Already we are half refuted.

1463
01:32:31,399 --> 01:32:35,560
Speaker 32: Well uh, well, honestly, any Christian area gross fine.

1464
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,119
Speaker 10: I would love to debate the.

1465
01:32:37,119 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 31: Topic of historical and liability of Islamic and Christian record.

1466
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:45,039
Speaker 7: We can't even understand what you're saying. What you want

1467
01:32:45,079 --> 01:32:45,399
to debate?

1468
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: What?

1469
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,520
Speaker 5: I think you don't understand. You just don't want to.

1470
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:52,720
Speaker 7: I'm sitting here waiting for you to make an argument,

1471
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,079
and you're just basically saying gibberish. I don't even know

1472
01:32:56,119 --> 01:33:00,119
what you're saying. What's the argument it?

1473
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:02,079
Speaker 29: Why are so scared?

1474
01:33:02,359 --> 01:33:05,079
Speaker 7: Like I'm so scared that this is the fifth time

1475
01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:07,439
I'm asking, the fifth time I'm asking.

1476
01:33:07,239 --> 01:33:16,039
Speaker 8: To make him argument? What are your argument? I am

1477
01:33:16,119 --> 01:33:17,880
talking into pillow? Why are you scared?

1478
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:19,520
Speaker 7: I'm not scared of you.

1479
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: You're here.

1480
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 8: What's your argument again?

1481
01:33:25,239 --> 01:33:25,399
Speaker 2: Make?

1482
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:32,239
Speaker 8: I would like make my I would like to order

1483
01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:37,640
two arm pit patties. Pretty fair, well, I would like

1484
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:38,680
to order.

1485
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,079
Speaker 2: One Christian who won't interrupted.

1486
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 7: But but we're scared of you. That's why it's scared.

1487
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 2: Well, why would you let someone else pop?

1488
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 8: Why are you?

1489
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:53,279
Speaker 7: I'm assuming?

1490
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,159
Speaker 33: Why can't you let someone else wrong?

1491
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:57,039
Speaker 7: Because you sound like a retard. That's why.

1492
01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:03,560
Speaker 33: Well, I think you are in all anyone.

1493
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: You have.

1494
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:09,359
Speaker 8: You have general poop society, and we are bad people.

1495
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Well you are?

1496
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 8: You got me Brad totally refuted.

1497
01:34:21,159 --> 01:34:24,119
Speaker 5: Where I just making you can keep it?

1498
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:28,359
Speaker 7: When are you going to make an argument? I can't

1499
01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:32,039
believe I unblocked you for this? Now I realized why

1500
01:34:32,079 --> 01:34:34,520
I had you blocked. This is like, this is like

1501
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,840
the argumentation is equal to your your street food. It's

1502
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,439
literal poop. That's why I had you blocked.

1503
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 8: I realize that now religion is oh good argument?

1504
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,159
Speaker 24: Interacted with you before.

1505
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:57,079
Speaker 33: I have never interacted with you once, but honestly, like

1506
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:58,840
you can search your.

1507
01:34:58,800 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 2: Tag and my tag.

1508
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:04,319
Speaker 7: Oh are you going to make an argument? I'm waiting

1509
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:04,560
on this.

1510
01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:07,239
Speaker 5: Are you going to shut up?

1511
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: Yes?

1512
01:35:09,319 --> 01:35:10,399
Speaker 7: Yes, go make your argument?

1513
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,079
Speaker 8: Argument, but we can't even understand you.

1514
01:35:17,119 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 7: How are you gonna make an argument? We can't understand

1515
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,960
your voice? Can you state it slowly in English?

1516
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,279
Speaker 32: Honestly, I find like this is the reason Christianity is tying.

1517
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 8: Did you did you ever think that?

1518
01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:36,079
Speaker 7: Maybe? Did it ever occur to you?

1519
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 33: Which is why you never like you can't debate depend.

1520
01:35:42,079 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 7: I've debated all of the right, all of the top Muslims,

1521
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,239
I've debated, But you're the one that I can't debate,

1522
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,319
that can't talk, that I'm afraid of.

1523
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 25: And everyone here can touch his tag and my tag.

1524
01:35:54,279 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 15: I have never spoken to you here before, and you

1525
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:57,319
had been blocked.

1526
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 7: I probably saw you said all right, shut up, But

1527
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:03,239
I'm not gonna even go to you. Are you gonna

1528
01:36:03,279 --> 01:36:04,800
make an argument or not? This is your last chance.

1529
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 33: Give me thirty seconds without talking.

1530
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:10,520
Speaker 10: I'll make my argument.

1531
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,560
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, So.

1532
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 32: Here's a simple sociological argument, right uh Now for this argument,

1533
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,119
I'll just make a simple point. First, we can find

1534
01:36:22,199 --> 01:36:24,920
numerous cases of biblical scholars I bought them, etc.

1535
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,159
Speaker 5: Instantly they will debate and depend their arguments.

1536
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,399
Speaker 7: Right, So that's your argument?

1537
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 1: Is no case?

1538
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 2: What what happened in thirty seconds?

1539
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 1: Like?

1540
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 5: Can't you shut up for thirty seconds?

1541
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,039
Speaker 7: This is I can't believe on I unmuted you for

1542
01:36:43,159 --> 01:36:45,119
this nonsense. This is the stupidest ship, This is a

1543
01:36:45,159 --> 01:36:46,000
total waste of time?

1544
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:48,199
Speaker 8: Where where? Where?

1545
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 7: Not even worth my time? Lewis, Come on, dude, what's

1546
01:36:51,960 --> 01:37:05,600
up man? All of that for Bartman? Wowoh b it

1547
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,199
sounds like a phone is ringing, but it's an Indian dude,

1548
01:37:12,119 --> 01:37:12,880
and you pick it up?

1549
01:37:13,319 --> 01:37:14,520
Speaker 8: You are stupid. Wait?

1550
01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 7: Wait, what's something?

1551
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: Man?

1552
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:17,039
Speaker 2: I'm you.

1553
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,359
Speaker 7: I thought there was going to be actually something there.

1554
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,039
We waited like thirty minutes for this guy to come.

1555
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 8: On here, rep Christians or poop religion?

1556
01:37:30,119 --> 01:37:32,359
Speaker 7: Did your whole society is poop? Get out of here

1557
01:37:32,399 --> 01:37:36,399
with your poop religion, with your blasphemy. I mean we

1558
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,239
were talking about eighty IQ people. What do you expect.

1559
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:41,239
Speaker 8: You are afraid.

1560
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 7: I've debated all the top Muslims, but I'm afraid of you,

1561
01:37:44,279 --> 01:37:48,840
a random guy who can't speak. Yeah, that makes that's

1562
01:37:49,039 --> 01:37:52,720
probably what's happening. Probably that that's that's the truth. Probably.

1563
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,319
I was hoping for an actual, like at least an argument.

1564
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:11,159
Speaker 8: What a mart ermann Mark? Mark? What's up?

1565
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 1: Hey?

1566
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:13,239
Speaker 21: Jay?

1567
01:38:13,399 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on?

1568
01:38:16,199 --> 01:38:16,359
Speaker 2: Uh?

1569
01:38:17,279 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: So I got a question, is that so when Jesus

1570
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,399
was on the cross and uh?

1571
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 34: The New Testament mentions how a lot of saints were resurrected,

1572
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:37,600
and they kind of preached for a few days, and

1573
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,560
it's just such a very verse and there's not really

1574
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,560
much detail. I'm wondering in the Orthodox tradition, is there

1575
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:49,439
any more light that's kind of shed on what kind

1576
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:50,359
of happened there.

1577
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 7: A fulfillment of what's mentioned at the end of Daniel

1578
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,119
that when the Messiah comes, one of the signs of

1579
01:38:57,159 --> 01:38:59,880
the end of the age would be when the saints,

1580
01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:03,239
when the Old Testament patriarchs would be seen walking around

1581
01:39:03,319 --> 01:39:06,640
and preaching and teaching in Jerusalem. So that's why that's there,

1582
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,479
is that it's fulfilling what we read in Daniel. Thank

1583
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:15,520
you for that question. Askill Do you notice how I, like,

1584
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,720
I asked him like ten times to make his argument,

1585
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,960
and you are like me talk make your argument. You

1586
01:39:21,079 --> 01:39:23,479
want let me tuck make your argument, you want let

1587
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:26,880
me dunk make your argument. What's up, man, I'm you.

1588
01:39:36,399 --> 01:39:37,279
Speaker 8: It's just gold for me.

1589
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 7: That's just comedy goal, bro. Remember the Remember the one

1590
01:39:41,359 --> 01:39:45,159
that called in and was cussing me out, the Pakistani dude.

1591
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,279
That one was funny too. Those are that's the comedy

1592
01:39:49,319 --> 01:39:49,800
goal man.

1593
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 2: Like.

1594
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:56,399
Speaker 7: I hope these guys understand you're not doing Islam a favor.

1595
01:39:57,279 --> 01:40:01,920
With these kinds of calls, you just become more easy

1596
01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:05,079
comedy goal. Benjamin became a member for six months.

1597
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 8: Buddy, you do not redeem sir exactly.

1598
01:40:08,319 --> 01:40:09,159
Speaker 7: Benjamin gets it.

1599
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:13,399
Speaker 8: Let's talk God.

1600
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 7: Ten dollars. If the Beazivic vision happens in heaven for

1601
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,520
the Roman CALLC. Thomas, If heaven is created and the

1602
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,560
divine essence is seen in creation according to these inconcestent

1603
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:26,520
soy boys, Yeah, that does seem to be inconsistent. If

1604
01:40:27,319 --> 01:40:32,279
you can never if the Beasivic vision is for the afterlife,

1605
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:36,800
because in this life you only get the creative effects. Well,

1606
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:40,239
it's still created effects in the afterlife, is it not. No,

1607
01:40:40,359 --> 01:40:43,840
it's a direct perception of the divine essence. Okay, But

1608
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,399
if the intellect can see a divine essence, why can't

1609
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,439
it see the divine essence in this life? On your

1610
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,760
line of argument, I don't think we do see the

1611
01:40:53,800 --> 01:41:00,439
divine essence? Margo, what's up? I thought you haven't had

1612
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,600
a Muslim call in in probably six months. I thought

1613
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,760
we were finally gonna have a muscle Hello, what's.

1614
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,239
Speaker 11: Hey, Ja, I've been watching a channel for a while.

1615
01:41:10,359 --> 01:41:14,439
Big fan just had like a geopolitics question.

1616
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 5: Okay, so basically, you.

1617
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 2: Know, I've been following.

1618
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,159
Speaker 10: What's been going on in Israel.

1619
01:41:21,079 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 11: I watched a good stream from orthox Ethos on basically

1620
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,720
how there was like a prophecy by this elder ath

1621
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,039
and I elder that the nuclear program and it ran,

1622
01:41:32,119 --> 01:41:34,680
we get bombed by Israel and the kind of got

1623
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:37,399
me thinking about, you know, because I haven't really been

1624
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,479
into politics or any schizo stuff, but then I started

1625
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,680
doing some reading and about Apak and how all of

1626
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,880
our you know, elected officials are like supporting Israel and

1627
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,319
what's going on there. I just wanted to like ask

1628
01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:52,159
your opinion on geopolitics, Like I guess, I guess what

1629
01:41:52,199 --> 01:41:54,560
I'm asking is like, do you think like a lot

1630
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:56,479
of like the Western society, especially in.

1631
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,119
Speaker 10: The US, is dominated by international Zionists.

1632
01:41:59,279 --> 01:42:04,079
Speaker 11: As another stream from Churchyard Ternal Logos, there's like Saint

1633
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:06,840
Payusa said, like, you know, the Zionists they're trying to

1634
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build a third Temple and they're trying to reign into Antichrist.

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01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 7: And all that. I've covered the stuff over and over

1636
01:42:13,039 --> 01:42:14,640
and over. So are you new here?

1637
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, I've only been following you for like a little bit,

1638
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,319
but I have I've only seen.

1639
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:22,119
Speaker 10: Like a few of your videos on conspiracy theories.

1640
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:24,319
Speaker 14: I just want to hear your like, I don't know.

1641
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:28,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm multiple. I have probably now ten videos and

1642
01:42:29,079 --> 01:42:32,920
audios and live streams on the history of Zionism, the

1643
01:42:33,039 --> 01:42:37,960
history of all that. So yes, but thank you, Osco.

1644
01:42:42,279 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: Are you anyway.

1645
01:42:45,359 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 5: Awesome?

1646
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:51,399
Speaker 35: So I come from sort of this background of like

1647
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:54,640
that's a nationalism when just saying one went on in

1648
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,640
twenty twenty everything, and I've finally come to Orthodoxy, and

1649
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:01,920
I just wanted to understand what the position of Orthodoxy

1650
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:07,000
is on multiculturalism and on everything happening in the West,

1651
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:11,880
like especially with this mass migration that's coming into Europe

1652
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,800
and the United States now and everything. Do we believe

1653
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:19,640
that multiculturalism is possible? Or is assimilation the expectation?

1654
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:26,680
Speaker 7: I mean, I think in any church you're going to

1655
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:30,199
find liberal priests. You're not going to find a universal

1656
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:37,079
Orthodox answer on cultural geopolitical issues. I mean, I was

1657
01:43:37,159 --> 01:43:43,279
on the Hodge Twins that's got hundreds of thousands of

1658
01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:49,800
views across platforms for two hours talking about Israel, Joshua,

1659
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:54,800
what's up. Of course, we don't support multicult multiculturalism as

1660
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:56,359
a weapon.

1661
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 5: Hello, yep, oh, can you hear.

1662
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 1: Hold on?

1663
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 5: Give me one second.

1664
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 36: This doesn't work, I'll leave.

1665
01:44:12,119 --> 01:44:15,319
Speaker 7: I can hear you, all right, Hey, I.

1666
01:44:15,319 --> 01:44:17,119
Speaker 5: Can't hear you, but i'll I won't take too much.

1667
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:24,239
You're hello ex Mormon.

1668
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 7: You're cutting out and.

1669
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 17: It's not orthodox cates doun cool And I was just

1670
01:44:29,079 --> 01:44:31,319
gonna ask you if you're familiar with the Adam.

1671
01:44:31,079 --> 01:44:34,079
Speaker 10: God doctors and uh, it's really good eternal critique.

1672
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:39,399
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, we've covered it many times. Appreciate that. I understand.

1673
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,560
We've covered this probably ten times. I bring it up

1674
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:49,960
in every morning debate. Agios, what's uping? Yeah? I covered uh,

1675
01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:54,720
Israel Poul Sign conflict a year and a half ago

1676
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:59,920
in a t talk. Here's the theology of it here

1677
01:45:00,039 --> 01:45:03,640
as they're in Israel Regime Change CIA. There's about five

1678
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,560
talks that are for members on this topic. Here's me

1679
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:08,760
on the history of Israel in the Book of Revelation.

1680
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:14,600
Here's me debating this goofas idiot, misfit patriot. I mean,

1681
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:19,079
here's me on Hodge Twins, hundreds of thousands of views

1682
01:45:19,159 --> 01:45:26,479
talking about it. But it's just I get tired of

1683
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,600
talking about this because people think I have, Oh you

1684
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:32,479
just to talk about Jews. I do, and I have,

1685
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:35,359
and I knew about all of this stuff before all

1686
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:37,600
of you did. I knew about this stuff in two

1687
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:41,239
thousand and six, seven eight, I had blogs. I got threatened.

1688
01:45:42,359 --> 01:45:46,680
So don't come to me about do you know about Leinism?

1689
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,159
Do you know what the Tomud says? I knew about

1690
01:45:49,159 --> 01:45:51,760
what the Talmud says in the two thousands, when you

1691
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:55,239
were still popping your diapers. What's up?

1692
01:45:55,279 --> 01:45:57,279
Speaker 1: Man? Oh? What's up?

1693
01:45:57,319 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 5: Can I ask a father deacon and an eye of question.

1694
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:00,399
Speaker 7: If he's here?

1695
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 2: Sure?

1696
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 7: I don't know if he's here or not.

1697
01:46:03,239 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 5: If not, I could just ask you what's up?

1698
01:46:05,039 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 7: FDA are you there?

1699
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 10: I could just ask you?

1700
01:46:12,119 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 5: In the fall, I'm taking a Problem of Evil class.

1701
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 30: Do you have any like topics you would recommend before

1702
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,279
like going into something like that, or like like Christian

1703
01:46:19,319 --> 01:46:21,079
apologetics you know specifically what.

1704
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 5: The dogs see.

1705
01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 7: At a secular university?

1706
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Yes? Uh?

1707
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:33,119
Speaker 7: And you're asking me what should you ask them?

1708
01:46:34,079 --> 01:46:34,119
Speaker 1: No?

1709
01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:36,079
Speaker 30: No, No, I'm asking, like, are there any topics I

1710
01:46:36,119 --> 01:46:40,640
should study on or like like specific topics to be

1711
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,960
like prepared for a class like that was specifically like

1712
01:46:43,079 --> 01:46:44,159
towards the problem of evil.

1713
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 7: FDA, are you there? I mean, I think FDA has

1714
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:58,760
some classes and course work on his channel. Maybe reach

1715
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:01,199
out to him, or he touched on or covers the

1716
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:04,520
nuances in the specifics of problem of evil stuff, but

1717
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,079
it seems like he's cutting out anyway. Disagree, you go

1718
01:47:08,119 --> 01:47:10,560
to the head of line today. If you would raise

1719
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,680
your hand, we got seven or eight people in line.

1720
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,720
Eight people. Now, if you disagree, raise your hand, you

1721
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:22,119
go to head of line. Anybody, We'll get more people

1722
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:25,560
hopping on eight nine people who disagrees, you go to

1723
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:36,199
the headline. Robert, you disagree, Penguin, do you disagree? Slow, slow,

1724
01:47:36,279 --> 01:47:39,600
Pez disagree? Somebody do an emoji if you disagree and

1725
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:44,720
you go to the headline. II Rodriguez became a member

1726
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:49,319
for five months, and he says, take a break from theology.

1727
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,840
It's getting tired. You're getting tired of me or I'm

1728
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:55,760
getting no, I'm just getting tired of like the same

1729
01:47:55,800 --> 01:48:00,640
old questions. It's like, I mean, I'm not trying to

1730
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,039
be rude to I don't mind the guy asking about Zionism.

1731
01:48:03,079 --> 01:48:08,840
It's just like I've covered it forever and a lot

1732
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:10,680
of topics get old when you cover it for like

1733
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,560
a long time, and then you know it's like the

1734
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:18,800
PSA question. It's like there's ten clips now of how

1735
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,560
to refute PSA from northodox perspective. But people are super

1736
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:25,359
lazy and they'll just call in and ask me, expecting

1737
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,880
me to rehearse and repeat the same line of argument

1738
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:32,800
and explanation, the same talk that we've done probably one

1739
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:37,520
hundred times. And when I say one hundred, I'm not exaggerated,

1740
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:41,399
like hello, uh huh, what's up.

1741
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:42,119
Speaker 10: Hey, Jay?

1742
01:48:42,199 --> 01:48:42,520
Speaker 1: What's up?

1743
01:48:44,279 --> 01:48:48,800
Speaker 10: You willing to do a alien kind of PSIO question?

1744
01:48:49,319 --> 01:48:49,560
Speaker 8: Sure?

1745
01:48:50,279 --> 01:48:50,800
Speaker 1: Okay, cool?

1746
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:54,159
Speaker 14: So hold on, I don't know why.

1747
01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 10: It's like.

1748
01:48:57,039 --> 01:49:00,239
Speaker 7: I didn't say Christian apologizes solved up?

1749
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:04,239
Speaker 10: Okay, cool?

1750
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:05,159
Speaker 5: All right?

1751
01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:11,079
Speaker 37: So I have a I saw a stream from Orthodox

1752
01:49:11,239 --> 01:49:17,840
ethos about uh, the Genesis six sons of God, uh

1753
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:23,840
being the instead of being fallen angels like spiritual beings

1754
01:49:24,279 --> 01:49:25,359
or you know, fallen.

1755
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:29,560
Speaker 10: Angels, that it's gonna be the sons of Seth. Have

1756
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:30,600
you heard anything about that?

1757
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:32,159
Speaker 5: Of course?

1758
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 1: Okay?

1759
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:34,520
Speaker 3: What is uh?

1760
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 10: What is your position on that or do you have

1761
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:37,039
a position.

1762
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:40,159
Speaker 7: I think the Bible and the Deutero canon make it

1763
01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:42,199
clear that it's talking about angels and not men.

1764
01:49:44,119 --> 01:49:50,600
Speaker 37: Okay, okay, because from my from from that Orthodox Ethos

1765
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:52,079
video that I watched, and I know, like we don't

1766
01:49:52,119 --> 01:49:54,840
have to agree with everything that Orthodox Ethos puts out

1767
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:59,039
or like one Church father or whatever, but they were

1768
01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:01,520
it was it was owning like a couple sayings from

1769
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:04,560
the saints, Saint Augustine, and yeah.

1770
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:08,680
Speaker 7: He's one of the first to doubt that it's angels, okay.

1771
01:50:09,039 --> 01:50:11,560
Speaker 38: And I just had a thought about how you talk

1772
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,720
to a lot of like Christian people who you know,

1773
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:18,720
they hold that view that it's the angels that came down,

1774
01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:22,399
but they somehow they connected to like the aliens coming

1775
01:50:23,079 --> 01:50:24,800
or like some kind of psyop.

1776
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,159
Speaker 7: That's about That's a bunch of evangelical, retarded stuff. So

1777
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:32,039
I would just avoid all that. But thank you for

1778
01:50:32,119 --> 01:50:43,520
your question. Penguin. See, I got my dang koran. Now,

1779
01:50:44,039 --> 01:50:46,399
I got my dang study Bible koran out. I thought

1780
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:48,359
we was going to have a real conversation and we

1781
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:55,800
got Indian deli man who couldn't even formulate sentences. Check

1782
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:59,159
out the New Weapons horror movie, dude. The first ten

1783
01:50:59,239 --> 01:51:03,720
minutes is analysis of the movie. So I Rodriguez rewind

1784
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:17,119
to the beginning of the lectureing, what's up man? Yep?

1785
01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:21,039
Speaker 2: Okay, uh yeah, Jay?

1786
01:51:21,159 --> 01:51:24,520
Speaker 5: What is your option on getting like a three nup

1787
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:25,800
before marriage?

1788
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:28,199
Speaker 1: Like orthod exhibition on that?

1789
01:51:29,359 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 7: I think that most of the time it's discouraged, but

1790
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,279
there are some situations in Orthodox can of law where

1791
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:39,439
it is permitted. But that's the question for your spiritual father,

1792
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:39,920
not for me.

1793
01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 6: Matt.

1794
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,159
Speaker 7: Are you going to talk about free Masonic influence on

1795
01:51:54,279 --> 01:51:58,640
revolutions again? Should? I've talked about for fifteen years?

1796
01:51:58,720 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 2: Dog?

1797
01:52:03,039 --> 01:52:03,439
Speaker 8: What's up?

1798
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:04,439
Speaker 7: Man? I'm you, Matt?

1799
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: What's up? Jay?

1800
01:52:09,079 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 15: I know I'm not gonna have a good debate for this,

1801
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:15,399
but can I'm an atheist and I'm trying to get

1802
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:17,880
out of it just being all right, my preference versus

1803
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:18,560
year preference.

1804
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:21,199
Speaker 5: I know that's a popular go to, Like I can't

1805
01:52:21,279 --> 01:52:22,560
make a stronger claim than.

1806
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 10: That, But can you give me a line kind of

1807
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,479
think break past that barrier?

1808
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 7: Give you an argument why pure relativism and subjectivism is wrong?

1809
01:52:35,079 --> 01:52:35,520
Speaker 1: I guess so.

1810
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:41,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, it's self refuting. If if a position at

1811
01:52:41,399 --> 01:52:43,840
a very fundamental level is it self self refuting and

1812
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:48,239
destroys the possibility of having justified knowledge, then it's probably

1813
01:52:48,399 --> 01:52:49,479
not a tenable position.

1814
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:55,079
Speaker 10: It's self refuting because it rejects knowledge.

1815
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 7: Itself rejects the possibility of knowledge or and or justific

1816
01:53:00,119 --> 01:53:03,159
cation for knowledge. So if all positions and all beliefs

1817
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:07,319
are purely relative and subjective, you can't state that all

1818
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,760
positions are relative because that's a universal claim. So it's

1819
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:11,920
a fundamental contradiction.

1820
01:53:13,239 --> 01:53:13,560
Speaker 19: Got it?

1821
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 7: Okay?

1822
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:14,359
Speaker 2: Cool?

1823
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:18,039
Speaker 7: And that would make all knowledge claims then no longer

1824
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:23,840
true knowledge. Go ahead, man, what's up? Your thumbing down?

1825
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:29,439
What's your problem? Alistair? What's your problem?

1826
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:38,199
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1827
01:53:38,359 --> 01:53:44,560
Speaker 7: What's up? I don't know, man, the dial up ain't

1828
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:46,720
working for you, by the way, I saw that. I

1829
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,399
think they're getting rid of dial up. So a lot

1830
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:52,600
of y'all calling in. I guess you will be calling

1831
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,520
in anymore since AOL is getting rid of dala Jeff,

1832
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:55,960
what's up?

1833
01:54:05,239 --> 01:54:05,399
Speaker 1: Oh?

1834
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,239
Speaker 7: Dang it. I forgot to mention when I mentioned the

1835
01:54:09,319 --> 01:54:12,920
freaking movie, I might have to add that if I

1836
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:14,560
clip the movie thing, I might have to add a

1837
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:21,039
little bit on that. Yeah, I wanted dimension. By the way,

1838
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:23,039
and if you look, if you want to just look

1839
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:26,119
up Jay Die or Israel, you get these videos if

1840
01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:28,199
you go to the member section. Here's me talking about

1841
01:54:28,319 --> 01:54:32,720
Victor Strowsky's books, his lectures. Here's another one on Israel.

1842
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:36,680
Let me just go to my channel and search my

1843
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:41,239
channel for Israel, Iran, CIA, all that stuff. You're gonna

1844
01:54:41,239 --> 01:54:48,159
get your fill. I did a five hour debate on Zionism.

1845
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,920
Go watch the five hour discussion we had with Ridvan.

1846
01:54:54,199 --> 01:54:58,680
I mean, go watch the two hour discussion on the

1847
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:01,760
Hodge Twins. It's like, do I just I guess the

1848
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:03,840
only way to do this is that you literally just

1849
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,880
have to talk about Israel and Zionism all day, every day.

1850
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:11,039
That's the only way to show that you've ever talked

1851
01:55:11,039 --> 01:55:14,239
about Israel and Zionism. This and by the way, that's

1852
01:55:14,279 --> 01:55:16,479
all that there is in the world. Literally, all that

1853
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,319
exists is Israel and Zignis. That's it. Nothing else matters,

1854
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:24,600
Nothing else matters. When Metallica wrote that song, it was

1855
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:26,640
about Zionism. Nothing else matters.

1856
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 4: Dog.

1857
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 7: By the way, I think I put Zionism in the

1858
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:37,279
chat here, it's like you could call in on dispensationalism,

1859
01:55:37,399 --> 01:55:42,840
Hebrew roots movements, all that's in the chat. By the way,

1860
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:46,359
where's the black Heeber Israelites that they're the funnest. We

1861
01:55:46,479 --> 01:55:49,359
haven't had one of them in a year. Gabe became

1862
01:55:49,399 --> 01:55:51,640
remember for five months, what's the next big debate? Jay

1863
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:55,399
in ten days eleven days were debating Tim Gordon on

1864
01:55:55,479 --> 01:55:58,560
Elijah Schaeffer's channel, on the Papacy, the Ley Oakway and

1865
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:03,079
something else. Jeff, you want to try again?

1866
01:56:06,399 --> 01:56:06,600
Speaker 5: Sam?

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Speaker 7: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 25: Okay, cool?

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Speaker 5: You were just talking about Weapons.

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Speaker 1: I was going to.

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Speaker 11: Recommend that movie together with Dave Ranco.

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Speaker 5: Have you have you seen any previous line?

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Speaker 7: I just did the first ten minutes of this stream

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both of those movies.

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Speaker 2: Oh you did baw into Okay.

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Speaker 7: It's okay, thank you? Thunder?

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Speaker 8: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 7: I gotta do, I gotta I forgot to mention that

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the children are being in k monarched as well. And

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that's the other element that was pretty prominent in Weapons,

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and I think Weapons is It reminded me of Prisoners,

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remember Villain News Prisoners with Donnie Darko, and uh, it

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was about the sort of take king of the youth,

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shall shall we say, and then reprogramming them. That was

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also what was going on with Weapons, But in this case,

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it's a sort of pretty powerful witchcraft cult that's essentially

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doing this what's up, man, I'm mute.

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Speaker 1: Hey Jay, can you hear me?

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Speaker 36: Okay, hey, thanks for taking my call. Just a couple

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of things really quick. Number One, I went to my

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first Orthodox liturgy yesterday, and I just wanted to thank

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you for being somebody that you know, kind of led

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me to their Greek Orthodox church.

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Speaker 10: But my question here is about the subject of worship.

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Speaker 36: I come from a Protestant background, and I've even been

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to like some of the megachurch like weird kind of

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costal stuff, and growing up in the church, I've always

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felt like worship part of like these Protestant services and

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stuff was like very disingenuous. It seems like more of

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a worship of the self when you know the people

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are on there on stage, you know, playing all these

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crazy instruments and stuff. And the liturgy was really a

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bit of a culture shock for me, but it fell

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a lot more genuine. No, My main question here is

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I've talked to my parents about this and some of

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my friends who are all Protestant and gotten a lot

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of pushback on this subject of worship, and they're throwing

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like Bible verses at me, you know, and saying like, oh, well,

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King David was, you know, running around in the streets

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with the heart and singing and dancing and all this

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kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 14: As if you know that's some sort of defense.

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Speaker 7: I just felt like, first of all, not everything at

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every time in the Bible is for all eternity, right,

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So just because something happened at one time period, it

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might have been what was beneficial for those people at

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that time. So for the Old Testament period, for example,

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animal sacrifice was partly an apologetic against paganism and the

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worship of idols and demons at that time, because a

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lot of the animals that are being sacrificed are actually

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viewed as divine or semi divine or instantiations of the

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gods of the nations around them worship. So, for example,

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the cow was revered in Egypt, and yet when the

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Israelites come out, they're not supposed to worship the golden

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calf or the cow. They're supposed to be engage in

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sacrificial worship using cattle. So this is a pedagogical advice

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and an apologetic something that most people don't understand, but

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we don't forever at all times utilize that pedagogical device

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within the Church, because the Eucharist now supplants that covenantal

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worship and meal that we have with God. So not

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everything that David did is necessarily eternally the case for

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the church. So the question is not did David do

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something at one time, it's what do the apostles laid

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down as the pattern of worship.

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Speaker 5: For the church.

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Speaker 7: The New Testament does not record an actual worship service.

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Did God leave us to diyat well? In Leviticus he

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seems to care quite a bit about how he's worshiped,

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and he's never left it up to Diy. You don't

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just do it yourself. You don't come up with I

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like this verse where David does this. We actually have

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a tradition of the apostles handing down a pattern of

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liturgical worship, and you can actually see this in the

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Book of Revelation itself. So I'm gonna say, watch this

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video that I did right here that goes into the

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history of liturgical worship out of the Book of Revelation,

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because in Revelation five through nine, John is actually at

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the liturgy, looking into heaven and seeing the liturgical worship

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going on. That becomes the pattern for the earthly worship,

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which is where we get the basis and the pattern

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for Orthodox Apostolic worship. And thus in the history of

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the Church you have when Paul and the Apostles go

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out into the Roman Empire, they establish sees and they

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give a pattern of worship, and those ancient liturgical worship

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services are preserved in the Orthodox Church, mister crot Croat.

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But here's a basic biblical argument right here from the

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Book of Revelation, chapters five to nine, where I debate

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with a goofus charismatic kind of costal person on this

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very topic.

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Speaker 39: You yeah, yeah, I thought this pretty interesting, secuests because

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I want to know more about funny funny with some

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people who claim a bolt talk about problems like some

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you know, like wasp I to Protestant aspect bits it

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was made some people.

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Speaker 7: Bro, I don't know what you're saying. I have no idea,

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no idea what you're saying. What's going on, Isaac? What's up?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 7: If you call in, please clearly a nunci in dumb

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English for me, what's up?

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Speaker 12: Name?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Hello, can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: It's up man.

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Speaker 2: So my question is about Israel and stuff.

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Speaker 7: So I noticed a lot I don't talk about it

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because I'm paid by APAX. They pay me in shekels.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 7: Nice, But sheckles is actually a crypto that none of

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you have heard of.

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Speaker 2: Con oh yeah no.

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Speaker 40: But basically I noticed a lot of Catholics and Orthodox

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you know, rightfully, you know, they look down on what

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Israel is doing and stuff, like the way they view

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Palestinians is like lower than them and stuff.

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Speaker 10: But one of the problems I.

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Speaker 40: Have with the Bible is that you kind of see that,

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like Jewish supremacists like look on gentiles in the Old

1990
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Testament too, like they're like the chosen people, and like

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in the Old Testament, I feel like Gentiles are presented

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as like lower than that.

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Speaker 7: Already covered that because earlier we were talking about how

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the reason that Israel had that attitude was because they

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were promised to produce the Messianic line and the Messianic seed,

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so they had to have that insular, self defensive attitude

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against the nations around them. And Satan was who motivated

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the nations to try to stamp out the Israelites only

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because they were going to produce the Messiah, not because

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of any magical Jewish DNA. So after the birth of

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the Messiah. Those principles of you know, how to treat outsiders,

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this kind of stuff are now applied to the Church,

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which is the true Israel. So it was appropriate for

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that time for Israel to have laws of warfare, self defense, etc.

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That is no longer appropriate now that the Church is

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the fulfillment of Israel and is the true Israel.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that actually makes sense.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and that and I'm not being rude,

2009
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but that we had that same sort of question about

2010
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maybe thirty minutes ago. But you might be new here, Robert.

2011
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What's up, Gabe K Please do an analysis of Martyrs

2012
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two thousand and eight. It's a French philosophy horror movie.

2013
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I don't know about that. Sounds that sounds terrible. French

2014
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philosophical horror sounds insufferable. Please. I hope you get to

2015
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debate Alex O'Connor. He is ducking you. I don't think

2016
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he's ever going to do a debate. I mean, I

2017
02:04:25,239 --> 02:04:27,439
really don't. Thought we were going to do Piers Morgan

2018
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and he didn't want to do it, so he said nope,

2019
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not debating theism on Piers Morgan. He said he would

2020
02:04:33,279 --> 02:04:39,840
only debate me on politics. Destiny did the same thing too, right,

2021
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Destiny said, I'll only debate you on political like politics,

2022
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:46,840
Like that's just the most gay thing to debate, dude, politics.

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What's up, man, I'm Robert.

2024
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Speaker 17: Hey, how's it going.

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02:04:54,680 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 10: In regards to the movie Weapons with the bells, I've

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heard people. I've heard people talk about.

2027
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Speaker 17: How bells like help release demons and a little weird,

2028
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but in the Spider Man movie when the third one,

2029
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when he's possessed by venom, he goes to the church

2030
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and the bell separates him from the demon and he

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becomes good again, and then kind of follow up in.

2032
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Speaker 10: The Spiritual Warfare.

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Speaker 17: Also regarding comics or whatever, like Superman and Batman are

2034
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kind of like Jesus Christ and the Devil kind of

2035
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:39,680
personified as heroes and they're both created by Jews. And

2036
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:45,680
I was researching like the medieval witch trials of Europe

2037
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and all the people that were executed for like entropy

2038
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had a lot of similarities with Batman, where the devil

2039
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would give them a magical belt, a utility belt, a

2040
02:05:56,840 --> 02:06:02,239
cowl like a wolf'spelt, and ointments and like also the

2041
02:06:02,319 --> 02:06:05,119
full moon and the bad signal kind of like mirror

2042
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each other, and there's a lot of other similarities between

2043
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the two.

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Speaker 7: Or a braided belt, but I met a lot of

2045
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dudes in the nineties that I thought were a little suss,

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so they had a braid of belt.

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Speaker 1: Probably you're probably accurate, But what are your thoughts.

2048
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Speaker 14: Do you think they're using like.

2049
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Speaker 10: Things like that to attract children to satan.

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Speaker 7: I think the course that Marvel comics and comics in

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general took after getting more and more woke, definitely went

2052
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:41,720
in that direction. I don't know that there was a

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self conscious desire when they created Superman and Batman to

2054
02:06:46,279 --> 02:06:50,159
be quote satanic. I mean, I guess that would really

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just depend on specifically what was in the mind of

2056
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the guy who made those comics, which I haven't even

2057
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looked into, so I don't know, but I know that

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over time usually what happened is like this kind of

2059
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stuff gets more and more and more twisted into dark,

2060
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demonic stuff. So it's an interesting question. I'd have to

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know more about, you know, whoever was the creator of

2062
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Batman and Superman. I did know that it was, you know,

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Jewish creators, but I don't know about Batman. I know

2064
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that whoever created Superman was a Jewish guy. But I

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don't know about Batman. I haven't I haven't thought about

2066
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comic books in a long time, so I don't know

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the bells thing. I mean, I think we said earlier

2068
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in the first ten minutes that the bells thing was

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like a it's like an inverted version of the liturgy.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 7: So in the movie Together, we had wedding bells for

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the merging because the whole issue is about are they

2073
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going to get married or break up? And then the

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bells in weapons seemed to be directly related to witchcraft.

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Another thing I thought about, dude, why are you doing this?

2076
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I don't understand the purpose of like the constant thumbing down,

2077
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Like what do you want to say? Jadis has a

2078
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bell that she uses in a Magician's Nephew if you've

2079
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read Narnia, so perhaps in the Golden Dawn and these

2080
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kinds of things, bells play a prominent role. What's up, man, hey, j.

2081
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Speaker 2: Can you hear me now? Awesome, sir, I'm inquiring too

2082
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orthodoxy now.

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Speaker 41: Also follow of Liquid Zulu when you debated him, and

2084
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it kind of made me realize the faults of libertarianism.

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Speaker 2: So now I'm transitioning out of that. I look at

2086
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the Church and.

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Speaker 5: A lot of it does.

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Speaker 41: Have similarities with the libertarian at ethos, like to become

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a Christian you have to freely choose.

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Speaker 7: That or Libertarianism is an Enlightenment philosophy of natural rights

2091
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and all that. So there will be some overlap with

2092
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the idea of liberty in terms of free will and

2093
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Christian theology and anthropology. But the libertarian ethos of the

2094
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Enlightenment is not compatible with Orthodox you know, symphonia and

2095
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that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's what I wanted to ask about.

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Speaker 41: So with like the Church, we as people, we would

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pay a tithe, but that wouldn't be enforced under threat

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of death, would it.

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Speaker 7: I've never heard of that. I've never heard of that,

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even in the West, that there was death or not tithing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, of course, But I was just going

2103
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to say, so, when we move up to.

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Speaker 41: The state level, why can't we form a Christian like monarchy,

2105
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monarchical government voluntarily without force of death if you don't

2106
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pay a taxes or imprisonment.

2107
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Speaker 7: I think that's what we would want.

2108
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Speaker 41: Oh, okay, because a lot of the Orthodox states in

2109
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the past had suffered.

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Speaker 7: I never heard of any state, Protestant, Categic or Orthodox

2111
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that had the death penalty for not paying the church tithe.

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I've never heard of that.

2113
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Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, not the church tithe. Those were just

2114
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examples of.

2115
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Speaker 41: You having a duty as a Christian to pay into

2116
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like your society.

2117
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Speaker 7: You know, I agree with you and the libertarian ethios

2118
02:10:35,279 --> 02:10:40,600
that anything like that should be voluntary. I agree, Okay, cool, Yeah,

2119
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because I wouldn't equate that with libertarianism though. I mean,

2120
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that's a principle that libertarians have, but I wouldn't say

2121
02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:51,640
that because I agree with that principle. Therefore Orthodox he

2122
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:55,560
is a libertarian, right. I think we'd have to get

2123
02:10:55,600 --> 02:10:58,960
really precise and nuanced, because, yeah, I definitely believe in

2124
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:02,000
private property. I believe in freedom of exchange. I believe

2125
02:11:02,039 --> 02:11:05,520
in you know, tithing and and that kind of stuff

2126
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:08,039
being voluntary. I think we should have the lowest taxes

2127
02:11:08,279 --> 02:11:11,000
possible at all. I do agree with all those principles,

2128
02:11:11,319 --> 02:11:14,159
but that wouldn't mean that. For example, in a if

2129
02:11:14,199 --> 02:11:16,880
we had a majority Orthodox Christian society and they chose

2130
02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:20,880
to have an Orthodox monarchy, you couldn't erect your crazy

2131
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:25,119
Satanic cult or your chose witness nonsense in that city scenario, right,

2132
02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:32,800
you could have a Christian state that outlaws these heterodox things. Misha,

2133
02:11:33,279 --> 02:11:36,319
are you the one thumbing down? What do you what

2134
02:11:36,399 --> 02:11:39,279
do you want? All you got is raise your hand

2135
02:11:39,319 --> 02:11:41,079
if you disagree, you don't have to like thumb down

2136
02:11:41,199 --> 02:11:42,960
for the next thirty minute straight. It's like you're just

2137
02:11:43,039 --> 02:11:45,039
wasting your own thumb energy doing that.

2138
02:11:45,159 --> 02:11:54,159
Speaker 22: What's up, man, I'm mute, all right, I'm actually in Russia.

2139
02:11:55,159 --> 02:11:59,159
I'm Christian layman.

2140
02:12:00,439 --> 02:12:03,039
Speaker 42: I could didn't really find a new topic videos on

2141
02:12:03,199 --> 02:12:07,520
use this topic, but I'll persist. Unfortunately, it's yet another

2142
02:12:08,119 --> 02:12:11,600
Middle Eastern question, but it is slightly different. So a

2143
02:12:11,680 --> 02:12:15,520
bunch of so called iron field new pagans from fortunes,

2144
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:18,640
politics and banter boards are claiming, like foaming at their mouths,

2145
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:23,479
how but putting is actually secretly just one of the

2146
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:26,000
small heads, like it's a hopeless I.

2147
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:29,880
Speaker 7: Have a hard time understanding what your question is. Can

2148
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:34,119
you enunciate very clearly and slowly in English as best

2149
02:12:34,159 --> 02:12:35,159
you can? What's the question?

2150
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:41,520
Speaker 42: So the question is, like some people say, think that

2151
02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:45,520
putting is actually just a pone of small heads. The

2152
02:12:45,680 --> 02:12:53,000
people's question so like it's a hopeless rational surch Church

2153
02:12:53,159 --> 02:12:55,720
is rich. So that's a slightly different topic. I obviously

2154
02:12:55,800 --> 02:12:56,920
don't buy any of it, do you.

2155
02:12:58,720 --> 02:12:59,159
Speaker 7: You don't what.

2156
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:03,520
Speaker 24: I obviously don't buy any of it. I don't believe this.

2157
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:10,520
Speaker 7: I don't know that he's controlled. I think that everybody

2158
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:13,760
in politics at a high level has to make compromises

2159
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:17,479
and deals. And if he meets with uh, you know, Jabad,

2160
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:20,239
everybody then says, oh, look he's controlled bayha bah well

2161
02:13:20,359 --> 02:13:23,800
meeting with them, And if he talks about rising into

2162
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:26,640
Semitism or something like that, I mean there might be

2163
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:31,159
a degree of influence, There might be you know, deals

2164
02:13:31,199 --> 02:13:33,359
that are made, but controlled.

2165
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Speaker 42: I don't know about that, Okay, So I'd like to

2166
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:42,439
show you like my view, because it's like a kind of.

2167
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:46,720
Speaker 24: Sorry that my.

2168
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:52,840
Speaker 42: It's like how to get the English Speptist speaking English

2169
02:13:53,039 --> 02:13:54,079
Baptist in Russia.

2170
02:13:54,159 --> 02:13:57,680
Speaker 24: But I don't have any problems to write in English.

2171
02:13:58,199 --> 02:14:01,920
Speaker 42: So the whole Russian English bay language very barrier is

2172
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:05,600
only one sided. And we've had the first hand experience

2173
02:14:05,640 --> 02:14:08,279
of how the sanctions have impacted us as I see it.

2174
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:11,600
Putting was only flirting with it in the two thousands,

2175
02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:14,760
just by Russia time to recover from the catastrophe of

2176
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:15,359
the nineties.

2177
02:14:16,279 --> 02:14:18,960
Speaker 24: Those autists, unfortune.

2178
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:21,560
Speaker 42: Want us to believe that one day, for no reason whatsoever,

2179
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:23,479
all of Russia was sanctioned.

2180
02:14:24,319 --> 02:14:26,119
Speaker 24: The mainstream superstars have fled to.

2181
02:14:26,359 --> 02:14:31,279
Speaker 42: Israel, and Putting was proclaimed a war criminal because he

2182
02:14:31,439 --> 02:14:34,119
dad to challenge the field currencies in the new or

2183
02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:40,760
large that it was all just controlled somehow, what was controlled,

2184
02:14:42,319 --> 02:14:47,800
that all of this that has unraveled on the world

2185
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:52,479
politics stage, with how Russia was sanctioned today, like how

2186
02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:56,439
it was supposed to die, like in six months after

2187
02:14:57,640 --> 02:15:03,359
sanctions have been people put in place, that all of

2188
02:15:03,439 --> 02:15:07,199
it happened because it was all kind of a whole plan,

2189
02:15:07,319 --> 02:15:11,279
that it is control. The position I don't buy and

2190
02:15:11,600 --> 02:15:13,840
needs it does actually like do you.

2191
02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:16,960
Speaker 7: Know I don't agree with that. It doesn't make any sense.

2192
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:18,000
Speaker 3: So.

2193
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:19,960
Speaker 1: It does.

2194
02:15:20,840 --> 02:15:25,560
Speaker 24: Nathaniel he is the kind of he's quite fond of Putting.

2195
02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:31,640
Speaker 7: Of who Nathaniel, Yes, like the monk guy, the monk Oh,

2196
02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:37,039
that guy's crazy. Yes, don't appeal to that guy. That's

2197
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:41,760
the worst of them all. Reformed. What's up man? Thank

2198
02:15:41,800 --> 02:15:43,039
you for your call. I'm not trying to be rude.

2199
02:15:43,079 --> 02:15:44,439
It's just it's really hard to understand.

2200
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:48,239
Speaker 43: What's I was just inquiring about the trendy and I

2201
02:15:48,279 --> 02:15:50,000
had a few questions, if you don't mind me asking,

2202
02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:54,520
mm hmm, yeah, okay, So I just had a question,

2203
02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:56,439
like if you look into there's a if you look

2204
02:15:56,479 --> 02:16:01,479
into philosophical language, there's the concept of something called co referentiality.

2205
02:16:01,560 --> 02:16:02,680
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you're familiar with it.

2206
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:06,520
Speaker 43: And what's the securitious Do you know the concept of coroferentiality,

2207
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:07,560
like two things being co.

2208
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:10,319
Speaker 7: Referential, co referential identity.

2209
02:16:11,439 --> 02:16:13,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like two things being co referential, like they

2210
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:18,439
refer to the same thing in reality. Are you familiar

2211
02:16:18,479 --> 02:16:18,640
with it?

2212
02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:18,960
Speaker 1: No?

2213
02:16:20,319 --> 02:16:24,600
Speaker 43: No, Yeah, so there's some there's a notion of something

2214
02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:27,560
called co referentiality. Withlian philosophy, language just refers to two

2215
02:16:27,640 --> 02:16:30,279
things being the same thing in reality, like Clark and

2216
02:16:30,319 --> 02:16:32,680
and being the same being co referential with Superman.

2217
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:34,159
Speaker 5: They are just the same thing in reality.

2218
02:16:35,079 --> 02:16:38,120
Speaker 43: So you can substitute them in like an extensional context,

2219
02:16:38,200 --> 02:16:41,319
like the context where you can substitute these corefering terms

2220
02:16:41,399 --> 02:16:43,399
without like altering the truth value. So if I were

2221
02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:45,920
to say, like Clark Kent is x feet tall, I

2222
02:16:45,959 --> 02:16:48,159
could just substitute Clark and they're with Superman.

2223
02:16:49,399 --> 02:16:51,760
Speaker 5: But I just have the question, like, for example, in

2224
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:53,719
the Trinity, believe God des try you.

2225
02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:56,120
Speaker 43: And if God is the same, if God picks how

2226
02:16:56,159 --> 02:16:57,920
the same thing as the Son, that would mean I

2227
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:00,159
can substitute God there with the Son, which would mean

2228
02:17:00,159 --> 02:17:00,840
the Sun is trying.

2229
02:17:01,079 --> 02:17:03,600
Speaker 7: This is basic now that you know that there's swing

2230
02:17:03,879 --> 02:17:05,479
is of identity and the is of predication.

2231
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:10,319
Speaker 43: Yeah, that's fine, but what so what would the relation

2232
02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:12,200
be between the Sun and God? Would they prefer to

2233
02:17:12,280 --> 02:17:14,239
the same thing? In reality, God.

2234
02:17:14,200 --> 02:17:16,520
Speaker 7: Picks out different things. It doesn't have a single reference.

2235
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:18,479
The word God can pick out a person, you can

2236
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:20,479
pick out the essence, pick out an energy, and even

2237
02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:22,799
in the Bible can pick out human beings and devils

2238
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:26,239
and angels. So the mistake that you all Muslims make

2239
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:28,399
is that you think that God just has a single reference.

2240
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Speaker 43: Yeah, so when you say God iss trying, what's the

2241
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:34,840
reference there? So what when you say God is trying you,

2242
02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:35,959
and what's the reference there?

2243
02:17:36,440 --> 02:17:38,959
Speaker 7: That's a reference to both. It could be either the

2244
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:40,639
divine essence or to the persons.

2245
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:46,120
Speaker 43: Okay, so when the traditional state God is trying, presumably

2246
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:47,760
they would refer to the divine essence.

2247
02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:51,479
Speaker 7: My question one, because of what I just told you,

2248
02:17:51,600 --> 02:17:53,959
The word God can pick out person, or can pick

2249
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:57,879
out essence or energy you, But what do you think

2250
02:17:57,920 --> 02:17:59,959
about all laws attributes? It's the same issue.

2251
02:18:00,120 --> 02:18:03,520
Speaker 5: I'm not sure, I'm not sure how it but I'm

2252
02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:04,879
just curious, like, why are.

2253
02:18:04,760 --> 02:18:06,760
Speaker 7: You giggling now that you know that I'm asking you

2254
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:09,600
the same metaphysical problem for your position and you're.

2255
02:18:09,440 --> 02:18:13,280
Speaker 43: Saying, what's the metaphysical propement for my position?

2256
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:13,719
Speaker 1: What?

2257
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:16,600
Speaker 5: What's the metaphysical pubment for my position?

2258
02:18:17,959 --> 02:18:21,399
Speaker 7: Are the attributes of Allah? Say? Do they possess the saiety?

2259
02:18:21,520 --> 02:18:21,559
Speaker 1: What?

2260
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:21,799
Speaker 34: What?

2261
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:25,319
Speaker 7: When you say Allah is God or Allah is divine,

2262
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:27,600
does that refer to the essence of all law? Or

2263
02:18:27,639 --> 02:18:29,520
does it also refer to his attributes?

2264
02:18:31,000 --> 02:18:34,760
Speaker 43: And when I say all is divine, I mean I'm

2265
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:37,000
just referring to you know, I'm just referring to the

2266
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:38,520
essence and attribution.

2267
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:40,760
Speaker 7: So so his attributes are not divine?

2268
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:42,200
Speaker 3: Yes?

2269
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:43,520
Speaker 5: What do you mean by divine?

2270
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:43,639
Speaker 1: There?

2271
02:18:44,239 --> 02:18:46,360
Speaker 5: Like, attributes aren't identical to the essence?

2272
02:18:47,079 --> 02:18:49,639
Speaker 7: Right, So when you consider the attributes in themselves, are

2273
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:50,319
they divine or not?

2274
02:18:51,959 --> 02:18:55,600
Speaker 43: I considered the attributes in themselves are the divine and

2275
02:18:55,719 --> 02:18:57,639
divine is or something, because I wouldn't say atributes, right,

2276
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:59,120
so you can when you.

2277
02:18:59,120 --> 02:19:01,239
Speaker 7: Can be all qualified. I don't know. The word divine

2278
02:19:01,319 --> 02:19:04,200
is ambiguous when it comes to your position about Aline

2279
02:19:04,280 --> 02:19:06,639
his attributes. But then you try to trap me with

2280
02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:08,879
the same problem when it comes to the trinity and

2281
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:12,319
predicating of God. So see, so get out of here

2282
02:19:12,399 --> 02:19:18,399
with this nonsense underwater. That was a sixteen year old

2283
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:20,479
Muslim trying to play tricks. I'm not going to do it.

2284
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:25,360
Speaker 16: I don't see elevant when you ask the question to me,

2285
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:28,280
I must drop you in your I must only be

2286
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:29,559
able to trap you in your position.

2287
02:19:29,639 --> 02:19:31,159
Speaker 8: Do not ask that of me. What's up?

2288
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:31,360
Speaker 2: Man?

2289
02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:32,879
Speaker 29: Hello?

2290
02:19:34,440 --> 02:19:34,559
Speaker 1: Um?

2291
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:39,040
Speaker 44: Yes, I was going to ask a question about the

2292
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:46,600
whole taxes thing about about because I personally don't believe,

2293
02:19:46,799 --> 02:19:51,079
unless I'm like wrong here, that most of our taxes

2294
02:19:51,159 --> 02:19:53,200
even actually fund much of anything.

2295
02:19:53,719 --> 02:19:56,079
Speaker 7: I don't think they do, So what what about it?

2296
02:19:57,239 --> 02:20:00,079
Speaker 1: Oh? It's because I always hear like Andrew Wilson.

2297
02:19:59,799 --> 02:20:03,040
Speaker 44: Talking about how important our taxes are and how they

2298
02:20:04,239 --> 02:20:05,280
fund everything, and it's.

2299
02:20:05,239 --> 02:20:07,639
Speaker 5: Like, well, I mean do they I mean.

2300
02:20:07,959 --> 02:20:08,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't.

2301
02:20:08,879 --> 02:20:11,079
Speaker 7: I don't listen to all of Andrew's debates. I don't

2302
02:20:11,319 --> 02:20:13,719
share every andrew position, so I don't know what Andrews

2303
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:14,520
says on taxes.

2304
02:20:14,719 --> 02:20:16,799
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, well, I mean like, do you have

2305
02:20:16,879 --> 02:20:20,360
any I don't want to be like like an asshole.

2306
02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:21,920
Speaker 5: I'm just asking do you have any videos?

2307
02:20:21,959 --> 02:20:24,840
Speaker 44: Like do I just type in like JEO politics and

2308
02:20:24,879 --> 02:20:27,319
maybe I'll somehow run into a video of yours that

2309
02:20:28,159 --> 02:20:28,840
that talks about that.

2310
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:31,799
Speaker 7: I don't have a specific video on taxes, but I

2311
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:34,799
just think that I mean, I doubt I mean with

2312
02:20:34,840 --> 02:20:37,680
the whole irs all of that. I mean, Robin pushing

2313
02:20:37,719 --> 02:20:41,360
bitcoin since since twenty seventeen, so obviously I don't agree

2314
02:20:41,399 --> 02:20:44,319
with or like taxes. So anybody who's into bitcoin would

2315
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:48,000
not be a vent of taxes. Then love you want

2316
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:52,879
to try again? C K hundred dollars when Jay, I've

2317
02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:53,959
been enjoying your content.

2318
02:20:55,799 --> 02:20:59,719
Speaker 25: Yeah, something I notice, like Muslims and atheists can I

2319
02:21:00,079 --> 02:21:04,360
the same arguments like, sorry, your religion is dying. Sorry

2320
02:21:04,479 --> 02:21:08,159
you're gonna be ripped by Muslims. Sorry, but that's what

2321
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:10,760
they got that from, like an atheist scholar on some

2322
02:21:10,959 --> 02:21:12,280
journal from twenty fourteen.

2323
02:21:12,319 --> 02:21:14,959
Speaker 7: No, No, that they just repeat atheists all the time.

2324
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:16,920
They used bar Erman We've been seeing that.

2325
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:19,799
Speaker 10: Vice versa, vice versa too.

2326
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:21,760
Speaker 7: It's insane at Muslims.

2327
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:26,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've seen it before. But that's really the thing.

2328
02:21:27,079 --> 02:21:29,479
Speaker 25: Like atheists at a point are equally theistic because when

2329
02:21:29,479 --> 02:21:31,680
you show them like I don't know, they ask for proof.

2330
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:34,399
When you show them proof, they deny it. Like you

2331
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:37,000
show them like they shoutout to turn date, they say.

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Speaker 5: It's oh no, it's fake, it's mythology.

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Speaker 25: When you show them that thing that they got from

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the dating is wrong, you say no, no, no, no,

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the new journal is wrong, the old one is right.

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At the point, it's anti scientific.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, they're ultimately just appealing to arbitrary authorities, and

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the same authorities that don't believe the Quran. They'll dismiss

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it so it's only used. So it's just double standards

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and moving the goalposts. Yeah, atheists and Muslims are very

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consistent when it comes to moving the goal post and

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arbitrary double STANDARDSK yes, please, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a shelter.

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Speaker 7: I don't think so. No, c K one hundred dollars.

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Been enjoying your content, looking forward to meeting you have

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the Ludwell Conference. What's your biggest critique of feminism. I mean,

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it's based on faulty anthropology. It's against what we're taught

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in scripture, that denies the existence of God. It's ultimately

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attack on God, the Father. It's been a source of

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a social chaos and upheaval on purpose funded by oligarchical elites.

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Rockfellers in their biography talk about funding it. It's a

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fabian socialist front. It's intended to destroy the family, it's

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intended to reduce population. It's demonic. I mean all of

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that and more. Looking forward to meeting you as well.

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C K appreciate that. Yeah, we got a lot of critique.

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I mean I tried to you know, over the years,

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you know, but I would agree with what Rachel talks

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about in Heracle Feminism book. I think all of that

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is those are all valid components and critiques of feminism.

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That's what it's all about. It's a weapon. It's faking

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02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:34,959
gay Thomas o'nilton ology. Yay, How does your stance against

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02:23:35,040 --> 02:23:40,639
natural theology square with romans one one that what in

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02:23:40,760 --> 02:23:43,239
that chapter or that section is natural theology. I think

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a lot of you guys, and not faulting you, Thomas

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02:23:45,159 --> 02:23:46,200
I think a lot of you guys don't know what

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natural theology is. Natural theology is not using reasoning, it's

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not using logic or doing argumentation. Okay, When, for example,

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02:23:55,280 --> 02:23:58,719
I debated with Trent Horn, he kept shifting what he

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meant by natural theology in order to vindicate natural theology. So,

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in other words, natural theology become so broad that doing

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any reasoning or logic at all in his mind was

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somehow natural theology. That's not what natural theology is. That's

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why at the beginning of the debate we agreed on

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the Roman Catholic and the Protestant definition of what natural

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theology is. It's reasoning about God, apart from any reference

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02:24:20,120 --> 02:24:26,360
to divine revelation. In Romans One, there's nothing about Aristotelian syllogisms. Okay,

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02:24:26,399 --> 02:24:29,440
When Thomas and Roman Catholics read Romans One, they actually

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think that it's referring to like Aristotle, sitting there and

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reasoning out causes and causal chains and first actualizers. That's

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nothing to do with Romans one. Romans one says that

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all men are guilty because they have an inner sense

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02:24:43,559 --> 02:24:46,680
that they are wrong when they do bad, and that

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inner sense convicts them because of the divine law being

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written on every man's heart from birth. That's what Romans

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one is about. That's why he says that they're guilty

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in their heart. You notice there's nothing in that passage

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that Paul talks about syllogisms and Aristotelian and Platonic lines

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of abstract argumentation. That alone should tell you that it's

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not talking about tomistic natural theology. Paul says multiple times

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in that chapter that they are darkened in their heart,

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02:25:18,280 --> 02:25:21,920
the news the heart. Roman Catholicism doesn't even have a

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02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:25,799
heart doctrine. It's only the intellect and the body. The

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02:25:25,879 --> 02:25:29,600
intellect slash soul and the body is the dual anthropology

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02:25:29,600 --> 02:25:32,440
of rum Catholicism. So the fact that Paul talks about

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02:25:32,520 --> 02:25:38,079
the heart throughout the passage and not primarily the intellect.

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02:25:38,159 --> 02:25:40,879
He says the intellect is darkened in that passage because

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the heart is darkened. And the fact that Rumanantholicism has

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no doctrine of the news or the heart should tell

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02:25:46,239 --> 02:25:49,719
you that they don't believe Romans won. So the passage

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02:25:50,120 --> 02:25:57,959
in Orthodox theology is about the natural revelation. So read

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02:25:58,120 --> 02:26:06,479
Orthodox Dogmatics Volume one and by Father's Done eli ats

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and twenty dollars. What is your take on in ethno

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state and ethnically homogeneous countries. I mean, I think most

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02:26:11,639 --> 02:26:15,079
countries historically have been that we have to be careful

2405
02:26:15,079 --> 02:26:18,840
about ethnophilotism in the Orthodox Christianity, which places the ethnicity

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02:26:18,879 --> 02:26:21,719
above the universality of the gospel. But I don't think

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02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,879
that people should have other populations as a form of

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02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:28,360
weaponized migration, placed into their countries to destroy them, which

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is what is done by design. All right, it's open

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02:26:31,440 --> 02:26:33,479
for them. If you disagree, you go to the headline, Pavel,

2411
02:26:33,639 --> 02:26:39,319
what's up? I mean, it's amazing to me that Romancalities

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read that past. They don't even think about the fact

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that Paul keeps saying in Roman's One the heart, the heart,

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02:26:43,719 --> 02:26:46,360
the heart. Okay, what's the heart? Oh, that's just the

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mind or the intellect.

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Speaker 8: What's up?

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02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:53,760
Speaker 5: Hello?

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02:26:54,120 --> 02:26:54,319
Speaker 8: Yep?

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02:26:56,440 --> 02:26:58,799
Speaker 3: I had a question book, Nature of Rationality?

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Speaker 7: The nature of rationality?

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02:27:01,079 --> 02:27:05,120
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, do you think Satan would be considered irrational?

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02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:11,360
Speaker 7: Well, he has a rational faculty, as do all of

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02:27:11,440 --> 02:27:16,360
the angels, but he locked his mind into choosing evil

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when he fell before the garden.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:30,040
Speaker 3: That rationality is really expression of being until the being

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02:27:30,159 --> 02:27:32,000
is what actually defines rationality.

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Speaker 7: Well being is one of the most generic terms in

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02:27:34,280 --> 02:27:36,040
the history of all philosophies. So I have no idea

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02:27:36,079 --> 02:27:41,200
what that means, even what being means. I have no

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02:27:41,319 --> 02:27:44,360
idea what you mean by being, because every philosopher has

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02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:46,360
a different idea and definition of what being is.

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02:27:48,799 --> 02:27:52,159
Speaker 3: Well being is an entity that has a will.

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02:27:52,879 --> 02:27:57,200
Speaker 7: Or agency, I mean not necessarily. Everything that has existence

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02:27:57,399 --> 02:28:00,360
is a being, and most of those those beings don't

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have wills. So where are you getting this definition from?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:08,680
Speaker 5: But common sense?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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02:28:09,879 --> 02:28:12,680
Speaker 7: So where in common sense does it tell you that

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02:28:13,079 --> 02:28:16,559
being necessarily has a will? Do rocks have being? Do

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02:28:16,680 --> 02:28:17,280
they have wills?

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02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:23,760
Speaker 3: Well, when we're talking about creatures, like when we do

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philosophies really with people with people, and we'll say demons, angels,

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02:28:30,920 --> 02:28:33,600
So the entities that actually make decisions.

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02:28:33,200 --> 02:28:36,959
Speaker 7: That think and tells you this, what what common sense

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02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:37,360
tells you this?

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02:28:38,760 --> 02:28:40,040
Speaker 5: Well, it's not common that's the point.

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02:28:40,079 --> 02:28:44,520
Speaker 1: I guess you are laughing.

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02:28:44,840 --> 02:28:46,840
Speaker 7: I just wasting my time with your stupid laughing and

2451
02:28:46,959 --> 02:28:48,799
condescend I can't stand with people come up with that

2452
02:28:48,840 --> 02:28:55,920
stupid condescension. He's tie probably trolling moon what's up? The

2453
02:28:56,040 --> 02:28:59,799
condescending laugh is probably the most annoying of anything that occurs.

2454
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:04,959
Don't even mind the paget Muslim cooking his armpit burgers

2455
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:09,000
with cussing me out. That's not as annoying as the

2456
02:29:09,319 --> 02:29:17,440
condescending snicker of the the genius philosophy man. I'm you

2457
02:29:17,799 --> 02:29:21,200
Pakistani dude? On'm you? What's up? Bring that heat?

2458
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:21,440
Speaker 2: Man?

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02:29:22,959 --> 02:29:24,280
Speaker 10: You know there's nothing.

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02:29:24,440 --> 02:29:26,079
Speaker 7: I have nothing much to bring in.

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02:29:26,879 --> 02:29:29,600
Speaker 1: See, I don't know. I just came to your space

2462
02:29:29,719 --> 02:29:31,639
and you you you just brought me up.

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02:29:32,680 --> 02:29:33,719
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm Muslim.

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02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm a Muslim.

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02:29:37,559 --> 02:29:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those t Muslims.

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02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:42,559
Speaker 7: I have a different time of philosophy for me.

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02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:45,280
Speaker 3: See, you guys are talking about reason.

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02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:47,120
Speaker 8: Hey, what is your argument?

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02:29:47,239 --> 02:29:51,120
Speaker 3: But uh, don't give me that butcher and don't give

2470
02:29:51,159 --> 02:29:52,760
me that fap, don't give me that accent.

2471
02:29:53,239 --> 02:29:56,719
Speaker 7: I don't are you that soft? If I do an impersonation,

2472
02:29:56,799 --> 02:29:58,200
you hurt your feeling? Hurt're that soft?

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02:29:58,840 --> 02:29:58,879
Speaker 1: No?

2474
02:29:59,000 --> 02:30:01,120
Speaker 7: No, no, I don't get those I mean.

2475
02:30:01,159 --> 02:30:02,799
Speaker 2: I see, I learned English.

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02:30:02,959 --> 02:30:04,440
Speaker 1: I never went to an American school.

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02:30:04,479 --> 02:30:06,159
Speaker 33: I never went to any in school.

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02:30:06,200 --> 02:30:10,479
Speaker 10: That probably I to speak five languages.

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02:30:11,440 --> 02:30:13,239
Speaker 7: We gotta we gotta certified genius.

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02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:18,559
Speaker 8: I think five languages, you're a certified genius. Don't mock

2481
02:30:18,680 --> 02:30:20,479
me on Maxine, How dare you?

2482
02:30:21,680 --> 02:30:21,719
Speaker 2: So?

2483
02:30:22,360 --> 02:30:23,280
Speaker 8: Should that be a rule?

2484
02:30:23,440 --> 02:30:23,479
Speaker 2: Like?

2485
02:30:23,639 --> 02:30:24,200
Speaker 1: Is that a law?

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02:30:24,319 --> 02:30:26,719
Speaker 7: If you if you've learned five languages, no one can

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02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:27,840
impersonate you. Should that be ab