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<v Speaker 1>It's game Spot After Dark, episode two hundred and fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, John Luke saipe He joined by a

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<v Speaker 1>lovely crew of people. I got Curtain Divina Hello, I

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<v Speaker 1>got Stu Kimball Hello, And I got Michael the Peace

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<v Speaker 1>Dance for pinot him.

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<v Speaker 2>What a do baby, it's a it's a group of

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<v Speaker 2>people who currently work here and at one time good

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<v Speaker 2>half and half.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you got some you got you got some

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<v Speaker 3>nice guests on today's episode know to fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and what might be the last episode recorded on

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<v Speaker 1>this desk.

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<v Speaker 3>Potentially maybe to get out back and shoot it yellow style.

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<v Speaker 3>We could go out to like deep East Bay where

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<v Speaker 3>there's like nothing there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take it into the back alley of

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<v Speaker 2>this Okay, San Francisco and shoot it knife field with

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<v Speaker 2>knife fielding terry and send an example to anyone walking

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<v Speaker 2>by it even baton eye and you're like, no, they

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<v Speaker 2>had applaud they wanted. Also, yes, San Francisco for gun Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and even better, it's a that's what they call it,

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<v Speaker 2>gun city. Yeah, San Francisco, guns City. The guns are

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<v Speaker 2>going San Francisco gun City. Shoot your desks, butt them down.

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<v Speaker 1>In our mascot shout out the Hedgehog.

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<v Speaker 3>There we go with the because he has guns.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he got whole thing shadow because I just played

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<v Speaker 2>so Shadow Generations and all I saw him was he

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<v Speaker 2>was like fucking surfing on a phoenix bird takes place

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<v Speaker 2>in San Francisco and he has gun the Shadows his

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>It was never played Shadow of the Hedgehog. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>he got like a assault rifle and like dual pistols.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not, We're really not. I'm not denying any of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Just you know, to everyone who's gonna go to YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>dot com and see Kurt Indivina and Dan Riiker.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about So that's different. That's different.

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<v Speaker 2>The top comments on all that video is these guys

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what. I was doing my job, so I

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<v Speaker 3>got an appointment. I showed up. I played it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Megadeth was on the soundtrack for two seconds

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<v Speaker 2>straight up, was like, wait a minute, I pause it,

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<v Speaker 2>turned down the gameplay volume because I'm like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>Dam of States is fucking singing and Sonic and Shadow Generations.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't, but it was cool. It was pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>thrash metal for what it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Rocks the band called.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually it's not Crush forty doing their best Megadeth impression,

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<v Speaker 2>is it.

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<v Speaker 3>Band? Yeah, they've always been the city. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're the ones doing the Sonic Shadow Generations sound track,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm assuming maybe you would somebody who knows more

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<v Speaker 2>about Sonic than they would know a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing their best Magdeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's what's up. They also do like funk metal,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what I think of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like funk something like a punk punkish Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>they always have that band of many layers to do. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>they got something. If this is gonna be a deep cut,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if anyone here is gonna know this.

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<v Speaker 2>But the band Affectious grooves metal band from the early

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<v Speaker 2>nineties from members of Suicidal Tendencies. The Suicidal Tendencies and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the members of that band formed Infectious Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>just a great band. They that's what they were like

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<v Speaker 2>early in the funk metal scene.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if Thundercat was part of that band, because

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<v Speaker 4>he was toured with suicideal Tendency.

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<v Speaker 2>Thundercat is the basis, okay, but I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, was the basis who's now the basis

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<v Speaker 2>for Metallica?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, okay, okay. I think he was the basis

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<v Speaker 3>for Infectious Crews. Oh cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he started because he was started as a

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<v Speaker 2>bassist working with Cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Sonic we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have Metallica San Francisco based Sorry guns gun

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<v Speaker 2>ye want to see Metallica shoot a podcast desk Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>from San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 3>Called the San Francisco October twenty Yeah. Yeah, he always

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like a slipping on a I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like.

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<v Speaker 2>The area, so maybe it's like an E forty Tributes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>ship because the stereotype for so long was that San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco was covered in poop slipping on. James Hetfield and

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<v Speaker 2>forty together are the same person doing megadth impressions, Shadow

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<v Speaker 2>Generation soundtrack, Give Me.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuel, give Me Fire, give me that shot, Desire, Damn

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<v Speaker 3>Remix times Juelry Remix. Nope, it'd be so funny. Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyways, what uh so waits? Speaking of which you were at?

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<v Speaker 4>Why were you seeing Sonic Generations?

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<v Speaker 3>Where are you seeing it at? Yeah? Where?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, San Francisco where Shadow was like, hey, I got

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<v Speaker 2>guns and I'm like city from what you got?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Germany Cologne for Games Comy twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>my first time both Germany, yeah, and a games comic obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>because you can't go to games Germany first.

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<v Speaker 1>It was my first time in Germany, but not my

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<v Speaker 1>first time. It's like no Man's land. It doesn't count

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<v Speaker 1>as a you know what do they call those, like

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<v Speaker 1>a city state.

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<v Speaker 3>Or what it's its own. Yeah, it's like Vatican city. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Colne is not no no, like what the pope it

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<v Speaker 3>lives in Cologne taped them up. Nah, Colone so is

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<v Speaker 3>it's beautiful?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I uh, to be completely frank, people were not

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<v Speaker 2>like it didn't feel like people were driving me up

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<v Speaker 2>for going to Germany. They were like, good fucking luck

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<v Speaker 2>eating anything but meat, Good luck drinking because I can

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<v Speaker 2>only I can't really drink beer.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a beer right now, but I can only

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<v Speaker 3>have one of the good luck. It smells bad, like

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<v Speaker 3>I I games com is huge. Good luck? Can you

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<v Speaker 3>laid to all of your appointments? A worst image could

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<v Speaker 3>not have been painted for me. It is a complete opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only was did I have the absolute opposite, but

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<v Speaker 3>I actually think games Come might be my favorite. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like press games conference, convention, thing I'd ever been to.

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<v Speaker 2>I think games people just be pressed. Though as pressed

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<v Speaker 2>I've had, I've had good experiences at all the places

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to in terms of press or otherwise press

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<v Speaker 2>related jazz. But from my side, I felt as though

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<v Speaker 2>I had space, I had time to see the appointments.

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<v Speaker 2>Every appointment I went to felt important. So in so

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<v Speaker 2>many cases, you go to things that like play Days,

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<v Speaker 2>Orummer Game Fast or even E three, you see an

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<v Speaker 2>abundance of games because you have to see an abundance

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<v Speaker 2>of games, but not always do those games. We often

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<v Speaker 2>have to walk away and make calls whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>this thing takes priority over this game, and et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. This is the first time where every single

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<v Speaker 2>appointment I had was like, No, this is an important game.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this game feels like something we should be covering.

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<v Speaker 2>This game feels like I thing big enough that we

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<v Speaker 2>should be.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking about in some degree, like Sonic Shadow of General. Sure,

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<v Speaker 3>hell yeah, say what you want about it, but motherfuckers

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<v Speaker 3>care about that ship experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, every single person who watched that preview look

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<v Speaker 2>first five seconds, like fake fan.

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<v Speaker 3>I never for what it's worth.

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<v Speaker 2>I never stood in front of the camera and said

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<v Speaker 2>I love Sonic Shadow. It was like, hey, we just

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<v Speaker 2>saw this game butt Rock. That's a megadath. But I

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely adored it. I had a great time. Colonnes beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I took a walk every morning. Yeah, it was so gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>Walkable city. I very walkable, extremely walkable. Took a walk

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<v Speaker 2>in one direction one day on my own. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>the erotic stores.

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<v Speaker 3>That was great, incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, got many simple sandwiches along the way. The European

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<v Speaker 2>style sandwich is a cold sandwich. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like give me that, give me that salmon on a

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<v Speaker 2>on a sliced of bread, or give me that breeze

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<v Speaker 2>on a pretzel wedge.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the brie and bread that actually doesn't make you

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<v Speaker 3>feel like you're gonna die. Exactly incredible. So I had

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<v Speaker 3>a lovely time. Yeah, lots of games. Yeah, I love,

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<v Speaker 3>I love, I love.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually I wanted it. Sorry, I completely interrupted. I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to ask you about Shadows.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>Shadows of the Damn, but I talked to Suda and mccamie.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the experience like in terms of like what

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<v Speaker 2>the game is gonna it's the game.

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<v Speaker 3>You remember it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will say, as someone who has not played

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<v Speaker 2>it in a decade and loved it then, I had

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<v Speaker 2>like this perceptions like, oh, it's like it's great, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's clunky, and it's like it was sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the reception I have. Things are true still, however,

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<v Speaker 2>I was incredibly surprised actually how well designed that game

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<v Speaker 2>is and how much it throws at the player within

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<v Speaker 2>a very condensed amount of time and introduces like mechanics

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<v Speaker 2>that I completely forgot about.

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<v Speaker 3>That's still that in uh I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to Sudo about this a decade later. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so good to play a game that's confidently a video

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<v Speaker 2>game and its being a video game, and even for

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<v Speaker 2>its clunkiness, doesn't feel like it's at odds with itself.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't feel like you're playing against it and are

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<v Speaker 2>it still feels like you're playing a video game. I

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<v Speaker 2>was never like this controls bad, No, it just controls

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<v Speaker 2>like a video game.

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<v Speaker 3>A video game.

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<v Speaker 2>How I remember a video game being controlled, but not

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that I would say is like a

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<v Speaker 2>barrier to entry for people these days.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, it ruled. It's just good to fucking have

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<v Speaker 3>it unavailable period.

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<v Speaker 2>That they're not doing anything really spectacular to this game

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<v Speaker 2>other than making it available, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And selling that version with a replica of Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>On have you seen this?

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<v Speaker 1>Non Runs Games is selling a collector's edition that comes

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<v Speaker 1>with a one to one replica of the gun boner.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the modes. Yeah, which is the main

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<v Speaker 3>kind of mode for it. Oh my god, so good.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's incredible. I was also concerned because it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's a decade. Uh, Suda started as

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<v Speaker 3>a writer.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite I would say it's pretty I mean, even though

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<v Speaker 2>outside of his wrestling games pretty serious, like The Silver

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<v Speaker 2>Case is a very serious game. Flowers on the Rain

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<v Speaker 2>is nonsensical times, but still is has good writing and

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<v Speaker 2>it and shouts the dam.

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<v Speaker 3>Comes out like post No More Heroes when he was

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<v Speaker 3>like unhinged and yeah, grindhouse, juvenile, and I was so surprised,

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<v Speaker 3>be like, yes, it is that. It's crude, it's gross.

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<v Speaker 2>It has some low brow humor, but the character Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>that you're carrying around the entire time is still like

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<v Speaker 2>extremely well written. It has a lot of equips that

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<v Speaker 1>I remember there being some really good night I remember

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty great. I'm very excited. I played it

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<v Speaker 3>Uh does that interest all? Kick ass? It's still the motorcycles. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And it had all these things that felt again very

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, feels very confident that this game came out today.

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<v Speaker 3>It just knows what it is and it does it

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<v Speaker 2>And again I was kind of surprised at how many

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<v Speaker 2>much so that sue to himself before I even mentioned it,

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, going back and playing this game again,

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised. I don't remember this game being as

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<v Speaker 3>I was Cooky like, Okay, we're gonna remaster the ship.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like wait.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was soon as reaction to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>they're working on a new IP at Grasshopper Manufacturer, which

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<v Speaker 3>that's really cool. That's pretty sweet. That's great. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's cool here because like oh shouts of damn, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's funny that that game is being remastered. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I was saying, and it's like, oh, well, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>to do it for for years. That's surprising to me.

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<v Speaker 2>some years ago wanting to get it on PC. Wanted

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<v Speaker 2>that just only means it's going to be in your

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<v Speaker 3>So came back to them a year two years ago

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<v Speaker 3>and they went fucking like, we don't do Origin anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is it gone or they just it's I

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<v Speaker 3>still around?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's technically I think they changed it to

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<v Speaker 2>just like access, like this is just a place where

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's stuff all back on Steam now and

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of yeah, but for a while it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, like I just downloaded the Saboteur, like great,

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<v Speaker 4>great game, but it's through I like downloaded on game Pass.

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<v Speaker 4>But it made me Origin on my.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember it was it was is no Phoenix Rising,

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<v Speaker 3>that's soft game. I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't say my game because I couldn't remember if

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<v Speaker 2>I locking and I just was like, I'm already not

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fucking over. I don't get a fuck and I

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<v Speaker 3>never never so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a code for Outlaws today and I was like, oh, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll check that out. And then like Jake was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I just uh, you probably already know this, but have

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<v Speaker 1>to open up your youth you play instead of Steam.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, fuck, same to I have. I'm having

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<v Speaker 3>the same trouble with a Microsoft Store at this current

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<v Speaker 3>moment for something that is I'm trying to play and like,

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<v Speaker 3>remember your Microsoft Store password? Cool? I remember that here? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>what's your PIN number? Like it's certainly this and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not your number. You've been locked out of your account,

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<v Speaker 3>your email. I go to emails like okay, do this

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<v Speaker 3>this and that, like, well, the options to change my

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<v Speaker 3>pen is not there. Like it, We'll talk to an administrator. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what the fuck? Microsoft?

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<v Speaker 1>I've had some of the worst time trying to like

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<v Speaker 1>get in and change account information. They are awful about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when I remember when I bought Windows, bought Windows

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<v Speaker 2>Windows when you were building and uh, first they sent

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<v Speaker 2>me a disc I was like, I don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>disk drive and do this, and then we bought it

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<v Speaker 2>online and then never sent a code.

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<v Speaker 3>Coaches disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought a copy of Windows and I sent it

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<v Speaker 2>to the old office and then it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, they're really good at that. Yeah, they're very

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<v Speaker 3>good at scamming you. Yeah. But it was very I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, making.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great when companies make it very annoying and difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to play games to the point where it's like I

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<v Speaker 2>have a game I was interested in playing or curious

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<v Speaker 2>and it was not enough.

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<v Speaker 3>I was not curious enough. Yeah, I mean totally absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>put games on everything, like Shadows of the Damn exactly

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<v Speaker 3>PC in October. I think it's nice. It's kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is just because it's coming

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<v Speaker 1>out before, but they're also doing a remastered Lollipop Chainsaw.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a Grasshopper game came out around the same era.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't know they're doing remaster that they announced a really

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<v Speaker 1>long time. I'm not a fan of that game either,

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<v Speaker 1>but I find it interesting that, like I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they're not a renaissance of they're not giving it the

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<v Speaker 1>same level of like, oh we got Suda and like

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk like it's just kind of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like they can't bring out Jane gun.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think I could be totally wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think Shadows that Damn did not have as

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<v Speaker 2>much of a spotlight as originally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, originally.

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<v Speaker 2>Was always like one of those notorious games that like

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<v Speaker 2>reviewed really well, was like surprisingly.

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<v Speaker 3>Like people giving more attention remastered because of that, that

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<v Speaker 3>makes sense, And you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I were my criticisms of looking back on Shadows

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<v Speaker 2>the Damn was. I was concerned. I was like, is

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<v Speaker 2>this going to be like really dumb humor? Is that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to like land the way it would have occur?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I remember when I played it ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt was like some jokes were like Jesus, we get it, Penis,

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<v Speaker 2>but with lollipop chainsaw there was no balance. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>it also was not a James Gunn fan at the

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<v Speaker 2>time of his of that era, which that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to go back and just because I have

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<v Speaker 1>the the exact same reaction, like I'm curious if I'd

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<v Speaker 1>feel any differently, are if.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel I did not give that time a day?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember playing it at like a packs and

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<v Speaker 1>actually like digging that chunk I played and being really

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<v Speaker 1>excited about it, and then I got it and I

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<v Speaker 1>played it for like an hour or two, and it's like, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>this is bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like I would just play Dead Rising remaster

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, if I want like a zombie annihilation game,

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<v Speaker 3>even more fucked up looking protagonists.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my biggest that's my biggest puss for Dead Rising

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<v Speaker 2>is I Frank West is such a busted ass looking man.

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<v Speaker 3>I love him.

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<v Speaker 2>And an era where every single game character has to

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<v Speaker 2>be fuckable, no matter what shape sized thing you are,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you're like even if you're like the uh

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<v Speaker 2>not the archetypical attractive body, they still have this fuck

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<v Speaker 2>ability to them. And I'm sick of that. I want

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who's a little busted. I want somebody who's like

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<v Speaker 2>a little honest in the face. And Mark West with

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<v Speaker 2>his fucked up widow's peak and his jankys. Frank Frank West, say,

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<v Speaker 2>Mark West, that's the remaster version is Mark West.

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<v Speaker 3>Wherever Mark West is, uh, Marcus the attractive brother. I

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<v Speaker 3>want nothing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Frank, Whenever I see Frank, I'm like, man, you're busted.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wish we had.

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<v Speaker 2>Surely I wish we had more, you know, earnestly, honestly

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<v Speaker 2>looking human beings as a protagonists. Speaking of, I also

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<v Speaker 2>played Sniper Elite Resistance at games Calm, and the main

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<v Speaker 2>character that game has the face and head of a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking potato.

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<v Speaker 3>He is such a strange looking man, and at first.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like playing the game, I was like, is

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<v Speaker 2>it what not the same protagonists from all the others

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<v Speaker 2>Sniper League games.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know, Okay, is it I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a deep story to those games? I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was just like, dude, yeah, a shaved head though. No, No,

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<v Speaker 3>like the the Cniper Leade protagonist always like the prototypical,

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<v Speaker 3>like male white American man from the nineteen forties who

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<v Speaker 3>has a family and it's the right thing. Line up

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<v Speaker 3>with every other like call duty character and you'd be like,

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<v Speaker 3>they all look to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, it's like, I don't know, Mike Maharty, but with

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<v Speaker 2>a few sliders rearranged a little bit, I mean honestly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, this guy did not look like Mike Marty.

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<v Speaker 2>This dude, this dude had the head face shape of

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<v Speaker 2>a potato that had just been dug up from.

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<v Speaker 3>The ground, and at first I was playing the game

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<v Speaker 3>was like Jesus Christ, like who is this guy? But

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<v Speaker 3>then with time I was like Jesus Christ, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>fucked up. So I support it. We need more little freakos, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>just I mean just normal looking people. Okay, sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because we're all little freakos in.

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<v Speaker 2>Normal looking temple. I don't want you know, every game

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<v Speaker 2>is out there too. I've had this ran on the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast games you know, just like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but can you do them?

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<v Speaker 2>Like well, speaking of games that let you do them,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't. Man, that was gonna be my segue. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's like one of the main things about it

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<v Speaker 2>about this game.

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<v Speaker 3>Fields of Minestrone. No, not Fields of MINESTRONI can you

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<v Speaker 3>fucking fields a MINESTRONI I thought that was the whole Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>metaphor refounds. Ah. Is it Italian in any way? No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like British squ Kingdom with anime boy who is like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck am I doing here? I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a k I might find out, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It isn't that literally his their name is like the

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<v Speaker 4>wanderer or something like you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Well before you name them, they're called traveling boys, traveling boy,

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<v Speaker 2>traveling boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's like, what is your name.

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00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Traveling boy, traveling fifty five year old, traveling boy. He

425
00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:36.200
<v Speaker 2>looks like the protagonist from Persona three.

426
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<v Speaker 3>Well, they're really just reusing. Well, let me tell you

427
00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:45.519
<v Speaker 3>about metaphor. So I went to the New York A

428
00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.640
<v Speaker 3>previewed Metaphor in a church or in a former church.

429
00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, And it's like pretty fucking sick, because yeah,

430
00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.519
<v Speaker 3>it's all about like these monsters and like Renaissance medieval

431
00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.680
<v Speaker 3>esque fantasy setting. But Metaphor also has like the steampunk

432
00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.039
<v Speaker 3>vibe to it that there has like some high tech tune.

433
00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.119
<v Speaker 3>So it has like this so that the teams behind it,

434
00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Studio zero, are all the former Persona three, four and

435
00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.839
<v Speaker 3>five developers, And this is basically, Hey, what if we

436
00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:16.000
<v Speaker 3>did Persona in a medieval fantasy setting? And to me

437
00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.440
<v Speaker 3>on paper, fuck, yeah, let's fucking go. And I've what

438
00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:20.920
<v Speaker 3>I one of the first things I say about in

439
00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:23.039
<v Speaker 3>my previews, like, it's about fucking time we got a

440
00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Persona style game outside of high school. Yes, and so

441
00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:32.240
<v Speaker 3>because like yes, because of like regardless of how you

442
00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:34.480
<v Speaker 3>feel about like the because like a lot of Japanese

443
00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:37.319
<v Speaker 3>media pop culture like takes place like oh like coming

444
00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.119
<v Speaker 3>of age stories. Yeah, whether it's anime or like video

445
00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:43.759
<v Speaker 3>games or movies and TV shows from out of Japan,

446
00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:45.559
<v Speaker 3>a lot of it is like this coming of age

447
00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:47.839
<v Speaker 3>tale when you're in like you're seventeen, gonna be eighteen

448
00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.640
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. So for this to see that the skeleton

449
00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:56.559
<v Speaker 3>of Persona applied elsewhere is just like, let's fucking go.

450
00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.279
<v Speaker 3>Because I like the the like having that balance of

451
00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:02.400
<v Speaker 3>where I have relationships to manage. There's a social sim

452
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.680
<v Speaker 3>element to this that also feeds into the fact that

453
00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:07.680
<v Speaker 3>I am also dungeon crawling and fighting monsters or trying

454
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:09.759
<v Speaker 3>to like do this grand I have like this big

455
00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:12.960
<v Speaker 3>quest to change the world or whatever. So the way

456
00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:16.119
<v Speaker 3>they fuse your relationships that you build and then contextualize

457
00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:18.559
<v Speaker 3>that with what you're actually doing in the game is

458
00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.319
<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite things about Persona. But at the

459
00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.480
<v Speaker 3>same time, like I played Persona three reload earlier earlier

460
00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:27.559
<v Speaker 3>this year, and I was kind of like, Okay, I

461
00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.440
<v Speaker 3>think I've reached my limit in terms of like living

462
00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.519
<v Speaker 3>this high school life because P three to me P.

463
00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Three was like peak that, and I was like, I

464
00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:37.920
<v Speaker 3>don't think I have the capacity to do that anymore

465
00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 3>because I've experienced my favorite version of that. So to

466
00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:44.920
<v Speaker 3>play Metaphor Refontasia, I'm like, all the mechanics are so familiar.

467
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.319
<v Speaker 3>It's almost one to one how they have reapplied everything

468
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.200
<v Speaker 3>from those games to this setting. And I'm fucking here

469
00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:54.759
<v Speaker 3>for it because like, hey, do that again, but give

470
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.599
<v Speaker 3>me something that is completely different. Yeah, like their fantasy

471
00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:02.119
<v Speaker 3>it's a completely unique fantasy world, their own like fucking kingdom, societies, races,

472
00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:06.519
<v Speaker 3>political dynamics and shit. So okay, you're there. There's a

473
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.039
<v Speaker 3>level of unfamiliarity when you go into that world because

474
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:10.640
<v Speaker 3>like when you play a persona, it's like, Okay, we're

475
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:12.640
<v Speaker 3>in Tokyo, or we're in a rural town, or we're

476
00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 3>like in this other place in Japan. We don't need

477
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.599
<v Speaker 3>to explain what this is like, it's a real it

478
00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:21.640
<v Speaker 3>takes place in the real world, whereas Metaphor you go

479
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:23.240
<v Speaker 3>in it's like, yo, let's do a fucking lord drop.

480
00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:26.240
<v Speaker 3>It almost reminds me of how stepping into Final Fantasy sixteen,

481
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.119
<v Speaker 3>where they have to like explain, oh, all the dynamics

482
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:31.240
<v Speaker 3>between all the different nations and shit. They do that

483
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.720
<v Speaker 3>also for metaphor, and when they once you start to

484
00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:36.359
<v Speaker 3>like play with metaphor and you see like you kind

485
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:37.640
<v Speaker 3>of go through the same motions as you do in

486
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:39.440
<v Speaker 3>and opening in Another Persona where it's like, Okay, the

487
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.480
<v Speaker 3>character is gonna go through this dungeon with these new

488
00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:44.279
<v Speaker 3>characters whatever, and they're gonna learn, they're gonna tatorialize you.

489
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.039
<v Speaker 3>Then they can have their awakening scene where they open

490
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.480
<v Speaker 3>up to their superpowers because of a traumatic event. Like

491
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:51.839
<v Speaker 3>all of that is still there, and it's so fucking

492
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.000
<v Speaker 3>funny to where of like I know you motherfuck is

493
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 3>so well, I know what you're doing, see what you're doing,

494
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:03.119
<v Speaker 3>but let's fucking go. So just just the setting change

495
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:08.519
<v Speaker 3>and the new context for we're dealing with like political

496
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 3>dynamics and kingdoms and ship and like with like coming

497
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:14.000
<v Speaker 3>of age.

498
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:17.799
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was gonna ask your world, don't Yeah,

499
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.359
<v Speaker 2>it's very I mean the protagonisty play looks like you

500
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:23.319
<v Speaker 2>could have been like a persona protagonist, but they're like, oh,

501
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you're eighteen, you can conscript into the army, like go

502
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.160
<v Speaker 2>off and fight this war for us. You stupid boy,

503
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:35.759
<v Speaker 2>what travel travel to the wrong spot boy? But like

504
00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>all the characters you meet, Okay, so it's like foul

505
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:43.759
<v Speaker 2>fascy eight. Uh well that's what I was thinking, Not

506
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:48.640
<v Speaker 2>so much. I don't play some fucking some asshole name Squal.

507
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 2>It was like emotionally unavailable guns howard ass Yeah, but

508
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 2>but I mean it is similar in the fact that

509
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.400
<v Speaker 2>you are dealing with things that are outside of high

510
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 2>school got But after I played it, I was like, no,

511
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.279
<v Speaker 2>this is this is there's a yeah, like I knew

512
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:07.880
<v Speaker 2>what I was doing, Like, Okay, I know, I know

513
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.839
<v Speaker 2>how the spells work, that they they've reworked the RPG elements,

514
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:12.319
<v Speaker 2>but I'm.

515
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.799
<v Speaker 3>Like, y'all still doing the thing that you've always done.

516
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Because I played it at a summer game festus, It's like,

517
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>all right, it's not called Augie anymore, but I.

518
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Know if I don't know what fire does and this

519
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 2>and that, Yeah, it's it's so familiar. Like so does

520
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 2>that mean you still have the personal like yes, there

521
00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:32.240
<v Speaker 2>are your Pokemon. Oh well no, no, no, okay, so

522
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>if that's what you're talking about, they're called archetypes. Archetypes,

523
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>so it works more like a job system than it

524
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.599
<v Speaker 2>does like a Pokemon system. So yes, like every character

525
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.559
<v Speaker 2>in your party can spec into any of the archetypes

526
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>and they're just jobs. So you get access to different spells,

527
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.160
<v Speaker 2>you get your stats change, your melee attack changes, like

528
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 2>your role in the party changes. So it's not like

529
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:55.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to like build like the most strongest persona

530
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.039
<v Speaker 2>or demon or Pokemon.

531
00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:01.160
<v Speaker 3>Right, summoning infusing it, but visually un battle, it's like

532
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:04.359
<v Speaker 3>you summon your archetype, it doesn't attack. Yeah, that looks

533
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 3>exactly like like I don't want to say it's a

534
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.319
<v Speaker 3>reskin because that has like a negative connotation. Sure, but

535
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.400
<v Speaker 3>to me that has a positive connotation because I'm like, yes,

536
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 3>well just do that.

537
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 2>Well.

538
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:17.119
<v Speaker 1>To me, it's it's funny because this isn't a quote,

539
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't beg me tense game. But it does remind me

540
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.279
<v Speaker 1>of how like older should Maggommy Tensa games back when

541
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>like at least used to make like a new Shomog

542
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Tensi game, like you know, different branch every five months, right, Yeah,

543
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:29.880
<v Speaker 1>like it would they those games would all have similar

544
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 1>like foundations, but then they would each game would twist

545
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 1>it in its own way.

546
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:35.960
<v Speaker 3>So this is what you know.

547
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like it kind of feels like it's continuing on

548
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that legacy even if it's not.

549
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Shouldn't go if you have the music, Oh, the music is,

550
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.519
<v Speaker 3>the music is. It's wild because Shoji Megro is composing this,

551
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.240
<v Speaker 3>it is okay, and I'm sorry. He's the he's the

552
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.640
<v Speaker 3>composed like the persona guy and it doesn't work at

553
00:27:52.640 --> 00:28:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Atlas anymore. He's like a it's like a collapse being

554
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 3>on metaphor. That'll be sick of though. So Shoji Megro

555
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 3>has like really created like this legacy of fusing like jpop,

556
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 3>j rock with like and also jazz. When P five

557
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.119
<v Speaker 3>came around, Oh my god, acid jazz with Japanese pop

558
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 3>music was that that was like part of Persona five's identity.

559
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:23.160
<v Speaker 3>It will always be. So Metaphor is classical orchestras and

560
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Latin choirs, and it's like this, I've never heard this

561
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 3>from him before. He did Catherine though, And Catherine, well okay, yeah, yeah,

562
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 3>when you were when you were like doing the puzzle,

563
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:40.000
<v Speaker 3>shit was intensive rexes of like classical Beethoven and stuff.

564
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, sure, okay, Well I also remember, like

565
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 3>I remember I think of Catherine as like the bridge

566
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 3>between Persona four soundtrack and P five soundtrack, where it's

567
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 3>like some elements of it. Yeah, like I could tell

568
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 3>he was dabbling in a little jazziness and then like

569
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 3>definitely was and then like applied it fully in P

570
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.279
<v Speaker 3>five and then he also, yeah, he sprinkled some of

571
00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.440
<v Speaker 3>that to me. He's like, oh, I got to go

572
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 3>back to that that class, so revisit that. But it's

573
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.279
<v Speaker 3>it's like intense orchestra. It's like the like the vocal court,

574
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 3>like the choirs are very like powerful intres and it's like,

575
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 3>oh shit, goddamn, I'm just doing a normal battle. But yeah,

576
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.880
<v Speaker 3>metaphor looks fucking sick because I like it's still doing

577
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 3>the like the P five stylings, but it has like

578
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 3>this like this very grotesque edge to it that fits

579
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 3>the medieval fantasy vibe. So you still have the ui

580
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.000
<v Speaker 3>still like all over the place. You still have all

581
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.359
<v Speaker 3>these cinematic cuts, yeah, like and with that anime tinge

582
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 3>to it. But it's also like very like it's just

583
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.720
<v Speaker 3>gross in a way that in like sharp and medieval

584
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:42.319
<v Speaker 3>Renaissance type shit, so it fits the setting. Like, so

585
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 3>it still has like the same techniques but it just

586
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 3>looks fitting for that setting, and it's like, so that's

587
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 3>such a good fusion of all the things that Atlas

588
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.440
<v Speaker 3>has done that point, that's what I wanted to ask,

589
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 3>is like what makes it different? Is it really just

590
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:56.279
<v Speaker 3>the setting?

591
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>And like the setting mostly that's it, okay, because like

592
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:05.440
<v Speaker 2>if you're not, like i's good. To Michael's point, like

593
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:09.119
<v Speaker 2>as Someny, who's played a handful of personas, I haven't finished.

594
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 3>I've got very close to finishing one of them. I

595
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 3>was like yeah, and I was like, I'm done.

596
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>But like the biggest hurdle is always I love the setting.

597
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>But I've always struggled with coming of age stories. I

598
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>always struggle with like young people coming into form. It's

599
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>always been a hurdle for me. It's just now my thing.

600
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:32.119
<v Speaker 2>So but there's so many elements and styles and personality

601
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 2>traits of those games that I fucking adore and like, uh,

602
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 2>if I know you say it's the negive connotation, but

603
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.039
<v Speaker 2>if it is a reskin and it does apply these

604
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.880
<v Speaker 2>exact things that they've done extremely well for a series

605
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 2>and a setting that I can get down with in

606
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 2>a storyline that has not built on people.

607
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Being like I'm your person. Yes, I think then I

608
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 3>that to me is like I will try that game

609
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 3>to do that. So I'm pumped.

610
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:58.759
<v Speaker 2>But I also feel like they've been showing this game

611
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 2>a fun they listen. I feel like it's like every

612
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 2>single event I go to, there's a demo to play,

613
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Like every single they.

614
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.319
<v Speaker 3>Have a new trailer every week. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, they've

615
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 3>been going real hard, and I'm like, hell is that's

616
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 3>an It was like, yeah, well, once they started get

617
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 3>the Ball wrong, it's like, hey, we're gonna have like

618
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 3>weekly videos putting out explain this new thing of Sure,

619
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.920
<v Speaker 3>on some level they're trying to be like, hey, it's

620
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.599
<v Speaker 3>like persona like you you like this one too, like

621
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.920
<v Speaker 3>because I feel like I swear I swear someone who's

622
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:31.279
<v Speaker 3>never heard of it just sees it and it's like

623
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:38.160
<v Speaker 3>a medieval animated school, you know, the coolest. Did you?

624
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious how you felt about the U. I I

625
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 1>like the UI, but I did find the menus like

626
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.279
<v Speaker 1>a little visually overwhelming at times when I played.

627
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.839
<v Speaker 2>It, I was like, this is kind of a lot

628
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>like it's I think there's a level of readability that

629
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>it does not happen like it's it looks sick, but

630
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:56.880
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to part.

631
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<v Speaker 3>It looks really sick, but after a while you're just like, well,

632
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 3>that's always It was so.

633
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Cool about Persona five because when I first played it,

634
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>it's so abrasive the UI, So it's part in your face,

635
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 2>it's a part of the personality of the game. But

636
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 2>I never but it was always done in a way

637
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.079
<v Speaker 2>that like I don understand, it's still readable. Yeah, I

638
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.799
<v Speaker 2>feel like this may be like mosses that line a

639
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>little bit, and I think like the UI elements, like

640
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>just like the way it's the art work just kind

641
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of like blends with a lot of.

642
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 3>People be like, I love how fucking insane the UI is, like,

643
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 3>oh okay.

644
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>It's like a very colorful, like paintery kind of thing,

645
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>where yeah, that's more like colors.

646
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.839
<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, I'm I was. I was like, I was

647
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 3>always gonna play metaphor like fucking Atlas team. It's the

648
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 3>Persona team from of course, couldn't be me. You remember

649
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:50.400
<v Speaker 3>another tattoo on your Yeah, well the boy. The thing

650
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm most concerned about is because like this is a

651
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 3>very like politically charged game, and it was really funny

652
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 3>that we had a roundtable interview where like Jess and

653
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I actually we both asked like similar questions, were like, hey,

654
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.400
<v Speaker 3>this game opens up by saying like, hey, you're in

655
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 3>a fucked up world where there's discrimination, inequality, poverty, like racism,

656
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Speaker 3>sick that right, And then so so you play this

657
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 3>demo where it's very very like explicit and like these

658
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.279
<v Speaker 3>are important to the world, and you are also being

659
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:20.680
<v Speaker 3>discriminated against because you are like a tribe that people

660
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 3>don't see very often, and like that makes it like

661
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.680
<v Speaker 3>the opening hours like what are you doing around here?

662
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.599
<v Speaker 3>We've never seen your kind around here? And then they

663
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 3>show like poor cat boys being kicked to the curb

664
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 3>and begging for money, and the other cowboys are actually

665
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 3>literal catboys. Yeah, yeah, yes, the cowboys are. I'm gonna

666
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.480
<v Speaker 3>beat the mutherfuck's ask this game. But that has like

667
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 3>the racial dynam has like racism is like a big

668
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 3>part of like this world, and it's like a fantasy

669
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 3>world that's trying to like it's it's about how you

670
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.319
<v Speaker 3>connect with people who you don't know. Because so the

671
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.559
<v Speaker 3>setup is like you are going to be you are

672
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 3>a candidate in an election to be the next king,

673
00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 3>and you're the whole thing is like you need to

674
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.920
<v Speaker 3>like win the hearts and minds of everyone across the

675
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 3>kingdom to be elected. Whoa. Of course there's like so

676
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.720
<v Speaker 3>much more around that, but that is like the core

677
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.679
<v Speaker 3>prem I actually did not expect that game President. Yeah,

678
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 3>traveling boy, it becomes president. And that's why you're like

679
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 3>traveling across the kingdom meeting people. That's how you That's

680
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.679
<v Speaker 3>how interesting The social link system now it's called bonds.

681
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh, I'm connecting with someone I don't know

682
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:25.760
<v Speaker 3>from a different part of the world. Can I get

683
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 3>your support from election time? That's how it's been five

684
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.599
<v Speaker 3>dollars they need to give. Uh, that's really they use

685
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>the same mechanics, but it's recontextualized and really I am

686
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 3>a I am a person running to win an election.

687
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.119
<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of like in persona it's like I

688
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.119
<v Speaker 3>just I want friends, the power friendship type ship. Now

689
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:51.199
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like that same thing applies in this context. Yeah,

690
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:52.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm all about that, because in PERSONA, I never want

691
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.320
<v Speaker 3>to be friends with anyone. It was the same.

692
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 2>It's the same problem had playing a game like boller

693
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Gate three, Right, I don't want to hang out with

694
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>any Yeah, but you're like, but I do want you

695
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.760
<v Speaker 2>to elect you. But if I'm going to start, that's

696
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:07.519
<v Speaker 2>so much more interesting because already the the the incentive,

697
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the like.

698
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.079
<v Speaker 3>Exactly you know, like yeah, you being like I need

699
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:12.840
<v Speaker 3>your support.

700
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>There's like a need if you don't like that person exactly,

701
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>like interesting dynamics like actually exactly, and in personally you

702
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.320
<v Speaker 1>would just be like I'll just stop doing your social likes.

703
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 3>You're like need you need your support and some real

704
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 3>good ship. Yeah, there's like I think in the demo

705
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.480
<v Speaker 3>there's like you talk to someone who's like part of

706
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 3>a religious cult or like religious dreamism, and it's like

707
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get to explore too much of it though,

708
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 3>but like that's the going back to what I was saying,

709
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 3>Like metaphor is going in like a very bold direction. Yeah,

710
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.079
<v Speaker 3>but they also like open themselves up to like not

711
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.280
<v Speaker 3>doing it right. So what I'm it's like, oh, this

712
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.639
<v Speaker 3>is very promising. Their heart's in the right place. It

713
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 3>seems they're saying all the right things. They they set

714
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 3>up this world in a way that like, oh this

715
00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 3>works and I want to see of course I played

716
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 3>five hours. This is gonna be like an eighty hour

717
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 3>game now of course, so in that time they have

718
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.039
<v Speaker 3>a lot of room to fuck it up.

719
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Sure, But I was gonna ask did they respond in

720
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 2>a way, because like, there's always it's always I always

721
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 2>appreciate when artists or creatives or storytellers are simply when

722
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.639
<v Speaker 2>they use something like that, whether it's politics or race

723
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:21.599
<v Speaker 2>or something of that nature, or even like mental health

724
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.440
<v Speaker 2>like double find did this with psychondodts too, where it's

725
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.800
<v Speaker 2>like they their whole intent was like they never said

726
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 2>they were trying to say anything. They were just simply

727
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.280
<v Speaker 2>trying to tell a story. And I think that's where

728
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 2>people tend to put themselves in a corner where they

729
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 2>start to be like they feel the need to be like, well,

730
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.519
<v Speaker 2>if we're going to talk about if we're gonna use

731
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Speaker 2>racism as a as a as a vest soul in

732
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:40.960
<v Speaker 2>our story, then we need to make sure we see

733
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.800
<v Speaker 2>some about racism. But if a developers also like, no,

734
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:44.199
<v Speaker 2>we're not really trying to say anything, We're just trying

735
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.440
<v Speaker 2>to pay in a picture for you, how do they respond?

736
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 3>That's how they responded, So like yeah, they're like, which

737
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 3>is the safest and most you know? Of course, it's

738
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 3>like a response, right, and for them, there's like the

739
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 3>point of a pr like a press run, like a

740
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 3>preview run, is like to appeal to as many people

741
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.960
<v Speaker 3>as possible, but it is.

742
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 2>A fine line right when they're actually when they like

743
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 2>if they're if you're going to introduce these things, there

744
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>are two ways in which you can approach it, and

745
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>like we're doing we're telling a story and you're playing

746
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 2>a video game. But if you go too far into

747
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.280
<v Speaker 2>one direction of actually trying to say something and you

748
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 2>don't say it, well that's what it's like. So Jess

749
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>and I asked similar questions.

750
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 3>My question was like more of a follow up to

751
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 3>hers because I didn't I didn't think anyone really got

752
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 3>anything out of it. So I was I basically say, hey,

753
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 3>y'all introduce like discrimination, poverty, like all these things in

754
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Speaker 3>an elect Like the whole story is like I'm trying

755
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 3>to win an election. I'm trying to connect with people

756
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 3>to get elected, that's the whole thing. And through that

757
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 3>I need to understand, Like this story is like setting

758
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.719
<v Speaker 3>you up to try and understand poverty, to discriminate all

759
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.280
<v Speaker 3>all those things, religious extremism, all that. And I'm like

760
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.119
<v Speaker 3>and I asked them, what can you tell me about

761
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:50.199
<v Speaker 3>like what has influenced you to like tell the story something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

762
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.480
<v Speaker 3>you don't know, it doesn't exist in a vacuum, right,

763
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 3>So I was hoping that I'll say this off air.

764
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Actually I texted my homies who was there. I said

765
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 3>some was shit to them, but like, but basically I

766
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 3>was just trying to get an idea of like where

767
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 3>is this coming from? And there's like, oh, you know,

768
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.079
<v Speaker 3>we're not really like we're not trying to pull from

769
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:11.840
<v Speaker 3>the real world, you know what I'm saying. We're just

770
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 3>we're just here to tell the story. We're not trying

771
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 3>to say anything.

772
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 2>The thing is Persona attempts to do those yes too, absolutely,

773
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.599
<v Speaker 2>And there's definitely times in the personal games I played

774
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 2>where it's like you've like only scratched the surface. You

775
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 2>did scratch deep enough, right, yeah. And that's where I

776
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 2>was like, you said, you're like through the ball in

777
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:28.719
<v Speaker 2>the air, and.

778
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 3>You're just like, come on, here's here's the other layers though,

779
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 3>like they were all everyone we were in the roundtable

780
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 3>interview with were the producers of the game. The producers

781
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 3>are not the writers, even like the story the door yeah, Yeah,

782
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.760
<v Speaker 3>the narrative producer isn't the one writing.

783
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you want to talk to the writer and be like, oh,

784
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I was pulling influences from my experience with this.

785
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I ran for president, but yeah, it's it's like

786
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and I think Ken Shepherd over at Kataku said it

787
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.760
<v Speaker 2>best with his with his preview was like like at

788
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>list producers need to let metaphors speak for itself.

789
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Sure, and I think that that ultimately, like I don't

790
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.920
<v Speaker 3>really account for what the producers have said about the

791
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.639
<v Speaker 3>questions that we asked. I think it's irrelevant. I think

792
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 3>what matters most is like when I play metaphor, what

793
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 3>does it ultimately say? What is my interpretation? What are

794
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 3>our interpretations of metaphor story? Because that is that's what

795
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:25.280
<v Speaker 3>the writer it's there's a writer, there's a whole branch

796
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:28.079
<v Speaker 3>of writers who had made this story. That's their story

797
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.920
<v Speaker 3>to tell. Of course people supervise over that, but like

798
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 3>the dialogue like that. There's so many like things in

799
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.519
<v Speaker 3>Final Fantasy games, like one liners that just like that's powerful,

800
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.199
<v Speaker 3>that says so much about what this game is about, right,

801
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.559
<v Speaker 3>same thing with like Final Fantasy fourteen. Anytime an expansion

802
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.159
<v Speaker 3>comes out I don't ask Yoship like, oh, what was

803
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.440
<v Speaker 3>the intent behind this story? Through it? No, I asked

804
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:50.920
<v Speaker 3>not to go Ishikawa who is the writer of that,

805
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.599
<v Speaker 3>And then she will be like, well, I feel this

806
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 3>sort of way about something that happened in my life

807
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 3>and I put that into this character, and it's like

808
00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:59.960
<v Speaker 3>trying to represent that. Yoship's not gonna say that because

809
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.039
<v Speaker 3>he's the producer of the ship. Like he's like, well,

810
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.079
<v Speaker 3>I didn't write that line, but I know what's happening

811
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.880
<v Speaker 3>in the story. But if you want that answer, you

812
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 3>talk to Eachikawa, the writer. So I think it's the

813
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:11.440
<v Speaker 3>same thing with metaphor. Was like I could ask the

814
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 3>producer like, oh, what are the like, what's your intent

815
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.599
<v Speaker 3>behind saying this, this and that about the game? By

816
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 3>the game? Yeah, exactly right, So which is fine, that's

817
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 3>what they're meant to do. Yeah, Like people have different

818
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:23.760
<v Speaker 3>roles in the game, So I'm not like putting too

819
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.400
<v Speaker 3>much stock in what a producer says. What the politics

820
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 3>are of metaphor.

821
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just like you know, at the end of

822
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the day, at least for me, I I definitely put

823
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.840
<v Speaker 1>more stock into like when I play a game and

824
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:34.599
<v Speaker 1>what I feel like it's trying to say, you know,

825
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it's the isn't that the whole philosophy behind like Death

826
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.280
<v Speaker 1>of the Author is like it's it's about like what

827
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I take away from it and like what I feel

828
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>like it's trying to say what it does want but

829
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't do well. I don't really care as much

830
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.719
<v Speaker 1>about what a person did unless they were like explicitly

831
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>like this was bad shit, like you know, problematic h

832
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and you like this was about NA he's being cool

833
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, whoa.

834
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:03.079
<v Speaker 3>Show now? But overall, like last thing I'll say is

835
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.480
<v Speaker 3>that I think this is one of the most interesting

836
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 3>games Atlases put out. They are legitimately going into new territory.

837
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 3>They're using a framework that we all like I know,

838
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 3>in love. But the things that are new about this

839
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 3>game are like, oh, this is where you can actually

840
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 3>like grow, do something. Don't change the gameplay as much

841
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 3>like they've and they have, They've they've tweaked it. Of course,

842
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 3>they've upgraded and changed a few things which I think

843
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 3>are really smart, which I played five hours. I'm like, okay, cool,

844
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 3>Like I fuck with this, but I understand this is

845
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 3>all familiar. I understand how you change is the most

846
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 3>interesting part is like what kind of story are you

847
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.239
<v Speaker 3>trying to tell me? Yeah, And right now I'm like

848
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:42.199
<v Speaker 3>sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for this game.

849
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:43.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what is it coming out? Yeah?

850
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:48.400
<v Speaker 2>October? Oh sooner than I thought. Yeah, yeah, so all

851
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 2>those Yeah, Like I was like, concept, I just assume

852
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>you only can play the game in preview offense.

853
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Is it never going to come out BW cycle will

854
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.159
<v Speaker 3>just be one big preview event.

855
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:08.639
<v Speaker 2>It won't be sold. So I'm more excited for now

856
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.639
<v Speaker 2>now that I know what it's about to play the

857
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.079
<v Speaker 2>entire game. Like, I'm never gonna like watch another trailer

858
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 2>of this, Like I've seen enough. Yeah, I'm gonna play this.

859
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:20.079
<v Speaker 2>You don't need to convince me anything of anything else.

860
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 2>So I'm really really looking forward to this. So like

861
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 2>P three reloads, Like I know what P three is,

862
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.840
<v Speaker 2>sure five Royal, Like.

863
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 3>I knew what that was three reload.

864
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.239
<v Speaker 2>But the dude, this is the rapper guy's voice loaded juice.

865
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 2>It's just this monotone sort of slur of words.

866
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, Like it's just it sounds like someone who's like

867
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.239
<v Speaker 3>putting on a voice to be a rapper. Oh my God,

868
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 3>his voice, he's iconic, your previo.

869
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think I just had to hear that

870
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.159
<v Speaker 2>music and parts of it. It's just you know, his

871
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.079
<v Speaker 2>monotone fumble of words and verses. Oh you actually like

872
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.639
<v Speaker 2>read the lyrics of a of a song loadusch rap.

873
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.920
<v Speaker 2>So it is it's not even like, oh I fed

874
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 2>this through Ai and it's it's more like, this is

875
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.840
<v Speaker 2>an approximation of what people think rap should be about. God.

876
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:22.599
<v Speaker 3>This is a real human, right.

877
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 2>He's a Japanese person writing songs in English, so of course,

878
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.199
<v Speaker 2>like there's gonna be a disconnect there, but it's still

879
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, oh, like that makes a lot more

880
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.199
<v Speaker 2>sense to me because I did not know he was Japanese.

881
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Japanese.

882
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 2>He's a Japanese rapper who's writing it English. I don't know, Yes,

883
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:44.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot more like this is what a rapper should

884
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 2>sound like. All okay, all right.

885
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 3>He's a cool ass dude though, like he's he's he's chill,

886
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 3>he's worked, he's written songs for the Persona series like

887
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.400
<v Speaker 3>outside of him being a rapper on the soundtrack, but

888
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.039
<v Speaker 3>when he is, and I'm like, that's my guy, what

889
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 3>you're what you're saying makes no sense. But yeah, yeah,

890
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 3>there's songs.

891
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 2>And the day premission soundtrack that's fake English. Maladies are

892
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 2>just fake English. They just sound like American words.

893
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:15.760
<v Speaker 3>And I love it. That's what's up. I just don't

894
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.440
<v Speaker 3>ever try to sing to it. True, that's hilarious. Yeah,

895
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.440
<v Speaker 3>fake jazz. I mean, we'll not fake jazz vocalist. I

896
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 3>was playing some real jazz there. Yeah, they hit a

897
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:43.079
<v Speaker 3>note or two off key Twitter odd time signature. Just

898
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about games. One more game? Did you

899
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.199
<v Speaker 3>play Indiana Jones?

900
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:47.079
<v Speaker 4>Are you allowed to talk about it?

901
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 3>No?

902
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.639
<v Speaker 2>You only we only saw it? Oh, okay, those hands off?

903
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 2>It was it was hands off. But I actually I'm

904
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>glad you brought that up because there's many of you know,

905
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm a grumpy, cynical buckerou machine machine games doing that

906
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:03.159
<v Speaker 2>instead of.

907
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 3>Now that I've played both, I can uh yeah, yeah,

908
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:09.880
<v Speaker 3>so you finish them.

909
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Finish we have to, we have to have Jake back

910
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:18.440
<v Speaker 2>to talk about new order and new classes, like finish

911
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 2>them within like a week of each other.

912
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 3>Because I like Michael and I are on the young

913
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 3>blood train. I actually like, I like you do you

914
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 3>think I should?

915
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's more gameplay focused of course, Yeah,

916
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it has some really I think it has

917
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.320
<v Speaker 2>some really great character moments.

918
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, character are really good. Yeah we're We're the Wolfing Sun.

919
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Games have an equal amount of like really good storytelling,

920
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 2>really good character moments. I would say Young Blood is

921
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.760
<v Speaker 2>purely and solely character moments. But those character moments are great.

922
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say New Colosses Man, the character moments

923
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 3>in that some of the video games, Yeah, they're so good.

924
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 3>I look back on like, I don't think I was

925
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 3>prepared for what this game was because I was playing

926
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 3>a pre release like everyone else, and I was like, oh, yeah,

927
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.559
<v Speaker 3>I love New Order, but New Classes like, oh what

928
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.960
<v Speaker 3>you like so much more pulpy in like the best ways.

929
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.440
<v Speaker 3>But even then it's like it's the balance.

930
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've spent hours on the podcast, but

931
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I always like when I think about the New Classes,

932
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I think of those pulpy moments, but I think of

933
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:23.280
<v Speaker 2>these other moments that like, yeah, these deeper, more emotional

934
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 2>moments where it's like you just don't fucking get a

935
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.800
<v Speaker 2>character like BJ blasts ever, like of like this fucking dad,

936
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Mama's boy, fucking the relationships when he was a kid

937
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 2>to adulthood. And then there's that birthday scene, which so good,

938
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:43.480
<v Speaker 2>like it's just such a scene that did not need

939
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 2>to exist, and it did anyway. So with all that

940
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.119
<v Speaker 2>in mind, sorry, yes, because that's the that's the main

941
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.599
<v Speaker 2>like as not as a whatever, as a as a

942
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>person who's Indiana Jones exists in my life, but I

943
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:58.679
<v Speaker 2>would never call myself an Indiana Jones never.

944
00:46:59.400 --> 00:46:59.519
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

945
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Those are the moments that I think about wolf and

946
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Side was like, well, if I'm not gonna get a

947
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 2>new wolf and Stein, I know that if this is

948
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the team that did it did Wolfenstein, they can deliver

949
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 2>moments and character moments and story beats that I know

950
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:15.199
<v Speaker 2>will feel good. I can only assume with Indiana Jones

951
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.639
<v Speaker 2>and seeing the hands off stuff, I walked away and

952
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I also got to.

953
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Talk to the devs.

954
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I got to talk to the crative designer and the

955
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>design director or I'm sorry, the crib director and the

956
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 2>design director. And it was in this moment and I

957
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.400
<v Speaker 2>asked him a lot about Wolfenstein because it was always like,

958
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>how do you go from the game where you're walking

959
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>down a corridor with automatic shotguns painting the walls right

960
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 2>with Nazi blood to to you encouraged to not use

961
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 2>guns at all. The main thing I got from them

962
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:54.280
<v Speaker 2>was Machine Games.

963
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:55.519
<v Speaker 3>Their whole thing was.

964
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:59.039
<v Speaker 2>This is their first time not making Wolfenstein game. So

965
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.360
<v Speaker 2>of course, like machine Games has existed as like Starbree's

966
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>and they've done other things, like they work in the

967
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Darkness and they worked on even the Riddick game, so

968
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.199
<v Speaker 2>they have like they have a lineage, but this is

969
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.679
<v Speaker 2>the first time as this as a Machine Games entity

970
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.440
<v Speaker 2>making something not Wolfenstein. And the excitement that I got

971
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 2>from it was they have They've developed the philosophy in

972
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 2>which how they approach games in Wolfenstein, and they are

973
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.480
<v Speaker 2>very story driven first and everything has to support whatever

974
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.039
<v Speaker 2>the vision of the story is. So for them, this

975
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 2>is they had to like tell the team early on,

976
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like, this is not a Machine Games first person shooter.

977
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 2>This is a Machine Games adventure game. So what is

978
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.039
<v Speaker 2>the version of a Machine games adventure game? So if

979
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:47.639
<v Speaker 2>you think of the idea of what Machine Games did

980
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.639
<v Speaker 2>with the first person shooter genre, and like there is

981
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 2>a specific fingerprint on what they did with that that

982
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's been really done with the first

983
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 2>So now we get to imagine what is that fingerprint

984
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>on the adventure genre, and that got me really stoked.

985
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.239
<v Speaker 2>It's a very simple thing, but it's like a very yeah,

986
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 2>it makes sense because it's not like they they hang

987
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.639
<v Speaker 2>their hat on just being like, oh, we make good shooters.

988
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.679
<v Speaker 2>It's like, right, No, the reason why Wolfenstein fucking rules

989
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>is because all the context around it being a shooter.

990
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.559
<v Speaker 2>So if you can just like apply that same ethos

991
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:20.039
<v Speaker 2>to an adventure first person dventure game, I think they're

992
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 2>still on the same on the right track to make

993
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:23.320
<v Speaker 2>a good game, and I think.

994
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:26.440
<v Speaker 3>They have absolutely in the past like set themselves up

995
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:26.840
<v Speaker 3>for that too.

996
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Like if you've played Ridick and like The Darkness, Like

997
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean like Riddick, Like the first chunk of that

998
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 1>game is like you're just walking around a prison and

999
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 1>like bargaining with people and being like, hey, I'll go

1000
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 1>beat up this dude and I'll get a shive, and

1001
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.280
<v Speaker 1>then like escape from Butcher Base fucking so good. That's awesome.

1002
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And then like the Darkness, it's like you have you know,

1003
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:48.920
<v Speaker 1>combat and shooting in darkness powers, but then it's blended

1004
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 1>in with like you're walking through a neighborhood or you're

1005
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.960
<v Speaker 1>going through like the subway system, you're talking to people,

1006
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.400
<v Speaker 1>You're like doing this, like like they already like kind

1007
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>of know how to do those like non non common

1008
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.639
<v Speaker 1>on combat sequences where you're just walking around and like

1009
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 1>experiencing a thing and having a vibe. I trust that

1010
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 1>they would know how to do that.

1011
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I stopped looking at it as like an

1012
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones game and just really started absorbing as like

1013
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 2>a Machine Games adventure game. And that's when I started

1014
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.119
<v Speaker 2>getting super excited. That's what like, for the longest time,

1015
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't care. I just it's just

1016
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 2>it's just I have to accept that, just like it's

1017
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.440
<v Speaker 2>just not my thing. I just I just I don't know.

1018
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:29.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm good.

1019
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.039
<v Speaker 2>And I also get very grumpy at the idea of

1020
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 2>seeing these studios that I love, and like, of course

1021
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Machine Games is working with an existing ip like with

1022
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 2>like Wolfenstein. But like, of course I get a little

1023
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.440
<v Speaker 2>grumpy being be like, fuck man, all these studios I

1024
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:45.920
<v Speaker 2>love are just being handed Disney licensing property all these

1025
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 2>properties because a video game like like it within the area.

1026
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.079
<v Speaker 2>So of course I was just a little cedical. It's

1027
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 2>my feeling about Arcane with Blade, we're just like.

1028
00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:00.119
<v Speaker 3>All right, money, Yeah, you go, do you?

1029
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:03.760
<v Speaker 2>But this was like talking to them more so than

1030
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>seeing the gameplay was when I was like, okay, I'm

1031
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting it, Like it's I'm vibing with it. So

1032
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they're like, no, we want you a

1033
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 2>gun is an absolute last resort use. Absolutely, it's it's

1034
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.440
<v Speaker 2>not going to benefit you. Like you you have your

1035
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.400
<v Speaker 2>six shots, but have fun reloading it. And you know,

1036
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>yes you can grab a gun off of a soldier.

1037
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 2>But once that clip has gone, what are you going

1038
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.800
<v Speaker 2>to do? And there was one specific part in the

1039
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.079
<v Speaker 2>gameplay clip where Indy where the player uses a whip

1040
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 2>on a dude and like pulls them forward and the

1041
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.760
<v Speaker 2>soldier falls into a canister and gets knocked out by it.

1042
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.639
<v Speaker 2>The very small thing, but it like stuck out to

1043
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.559
<v Speaker 2>me and I asked him. I was like, was like,

1044
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.719
<v Speaker 2>did that actually happen one because it wasn't confirmed if

1045
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:48.280
<v Speaker 2>like the dude got knocked out from hitting it.

1046
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 3>But if that's the case, like there's like a slapstick

1047
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 3>nature that's inherent now to combat. That got me super excited.

1048
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess like the biggest nightmare of development was that

1049
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.480
<v Speaker 2>they went in on being like we're gonna make exactly

1050
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.079
<v Speaker 2>what you saw a part of every combat scenario where

1051
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:07.719
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's.

1052
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Speaker 3>That's an extremely hearts program.

1053
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 2>So they were like, yes, that is a thing, and like,

1054
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 2>of course there's like tried and true combat scenarios where

1055
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>you pick up an item around you and hit a

1056
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:20.920
<v Speaker 2>dude with it, right, but now there's like levity that

1057
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 2>naturally happens within it that you create, like if you

1058
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.400
<v Speaker 2>pick a banjo, it hit a dude over that with it.

1059
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.880
<v Speaker 2>That's that's how they're marrying it so well with Indiana

1060
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Jones because the most one of the most famous scenes

1061
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 2>from that first move from Raiders is is the is

1062
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.079
<v Speaker 2>the fisticuffs with the guy with the plane and he

1063
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.440
<v Speaker 2>gets uh they're fighting around and having to dodge the blades,

1064
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and then he eventually gets hit by the blades.

1065
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:46.519
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, if they can recreate some of.

1066
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:50.880
<v Speaker 1>That, yeah, seems like the gun, the gun and shoes,

1067
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.320
<v Speaker 1>but it's all dynamic and simulated.

1068
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 3>It is supposed to like a scripted sequence exactly. Yeah,

1069
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.360
<v Speaker 3>but that level of like slapsticks is.

1070
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.400
<v Speaker 2>That we're excited, and then also I just really appreciate

1071
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 2>their emphasis and be like, no, this is a slow

1072
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 2>paced game, but are it's our job as machine games

1073
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 2>like that. Slow doesn't mean slow, doesn't mean bad. It's like,

1074
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.920
<v Speaker 2>how like we are very focused on the moment to moment.

1075
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I think Wolfenstein Classus New Classes is like a very

1076
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>good moment to moment games out like action scenes and

1077
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 2>exploration and action.

1078
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:23.559
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of slow too sometimes.

1079
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a pretty much part of their their nature.

1080
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, those fucking scenes hit, yeah they do. Yeah,

1081
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>that court scene, baby.

1082
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.679
<v Speaker 3>Around the court scene. I just love how court scene is.

1083
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:39.320
<v Speaker 3>I love.

1084
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:41.360
<v Speaker 2>However, I bringing up everyone's like that is one of

1085
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:42.719
<v Speaker 2>the hardest fucking things I've ever done.

1086
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:48.800
<v Speaker 3>But I was like, but it's so necessary, so important thing.

1087
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 3>You should not get that.

1088
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 2>On your first try for a reason, Like, oh my god,

1089
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:57.519
<v Speaker 2>it's so good, but so thinking about that in that context,

1090
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.679
<v Speaker 2>knowing machine games intent behind how they just because otherwise

1091
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I just I'd never really been able.

1092
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 3>To talk to them before.

1093
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.559
<v Speaker 2>So I walked away actually weirdly, not weirdly, but like

1094
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 2>for me, Kurt from being like I want to be

1095
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.920
<v Speaker 2>covered in Nazi blood, fucking Deanna Jones. Fuck does Harrison

1096
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Ford's slarring ass on the bitch, But Baker now, but

1097
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:19.159
<v Speaker 2>he's he's good at that. I will say, I'll defend

1098
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 2>him on.

1099
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 3>That pretty dot it.

1100
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.679
<v Speaker 2>But I feel after hearing it for like an entire preview,

1101
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:26.800
<v Speaker 2>it does feel like you picked up on one.

1102
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 3>Ship and it's like, here's the more.

1103
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Always sounded like he had something in his back pocket,

1104
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 2>but now he's just at.

1105
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:50.119
<v Speaker 3>All times slurred. Yes, whip you off. That's just my

1106
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:51.119
<v Speaker 3>Troy Baker impression.

1107
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 2>So no, but I mean so yeah, no, that was

1108
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:57.840
<v Speaker 2>a thing. Don't get the play, got to see it,

1109
00:54:58.360 --> 00:54:59.920
<v Speaker 2>got the chat with him, and that was cool. Cool,

1110
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.039
<v Speaker 2>But I am going to be I'm working on a feature,

1111
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 2>a ran feature right now about about the idea of

1112
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.000
<v Speaker 2>how you go from how Machine Games is going from

1113
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:12.199
<v Speaker 2>down the corridor with two automatic shotguns go to the

1114
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 2>antithesis of that.

1115
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so hopefully it would be. It's it's basically a

1116
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:18.679
<v Speaker 3>wrap up the interview I did. Sweet.

1117
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 4>That excites me most of all to hear that they're

1118
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 4>they're like, I love artists that will give themselves such

1119
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:26.880
<v Speaker 4>a constraint from like.

1120
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Doing the real hard time early on. Oh, they told me.

1121
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.760
<v Speaker 2>That makes me excited almost because some of the best

1122
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:37.239
<v Speaker 2>ideas usually come out it was difficult for them to

1123
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of communicate to a team that's only been working

1124
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.800
<v Speaker 2>on for ten years. Yeah, that's a long time to

1125
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:46.880
<v Speaker 2>they just come back with like two double shotguns, like no, no, no, no, no, no,

1126
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 2>two whips.

1127
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:53.000
<v Speaker 3>They can't pitching scenarios in which like, oh, it was

1128
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:57.400
<v Speaker 3>so funny if up and it's like, no, you can

1129
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 3>only if it pulls out a tomahawk. One of the

1130
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:05.360
<v Speaker 3>what is pregnant wife that's se fire with two machine guns?

1131
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.920
<v Speaker 4>I love her not to completely derail, but hur at

1132
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 4>end of that where she's just kind of like, Okay,

1133
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 4>I need.

1134
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:12.079
<v Speaker 3>To go home.

1135
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 2>He's like looking up at the angel covered in blood,

1136
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 2>naked pregnant woman.

1137
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, these games are so good. So yeah,

1138
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 3>I know that's is. I hope Indiana.

1139
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I think Indiana Jones sound like a pink j Jones

1140
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:32.519
<v Speaker 2>don't give a ship five dollars the box office.

1141
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:35.719
<v Speaker 3>I was, you know, I walked out being like, damn,

1142
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 3>I think I think they got me. Okay, that's good.

1143
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:42.119
<v Speaker 4>That's the most endorsement because you have been the most

1144
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:43.239
<v Speaker 4>fudged against it.

1145
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.239
<v Speaker 3>So I'll think that's gonna be an interesting one to

1146
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:51.199
<v Speaker 3>cover because it comes out like December. Oh yeah, that's

1147
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 3>any games that comes out in December is like really hard. Yeah,

1148
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:56.719
<v Speaker 3>and I feel like I'm the baby here. What is it?

1149
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 3>What is it? Just because everything comes out, it might

1150
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:01.880
<v Speaker 3>miss our game of the year. Yeah, straight out.

1151
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like our deliberations could potentially be happening that day. Wow,

1152
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that's what happened now, actually happened before. Yeah, special with

1153
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Halo Infinite.

1154
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:13.679
<v Speaker 3>Halo Infinite. It's interesting. Jordan Remain was the only one

1155
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:16.519
<v Speaker 3>in the team who had played it. They he reviewed it. Yeah,

1156
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:18.079
<v Speaker 3>he was the only one who could speak to it.

1157
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1158
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So we had to go through the liberation, just kind

1159
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.679
<v Speaker 2>of taking everything Jordan. That happened with Last Guardian, with

1160
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Peter in twenty sixteen. Last Guardian, it happened with It

1161
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>happened with Smash Ultimate and ed in twenty eighteen. Yeah, yeah,

1162
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.639
<v Speaker 2>and then it happened, Uh what would would you just

1163
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:40.760
<v Speaker 2>say Halo Halo twenty one when Jordan was like, I'm

1164
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the only one who like finished this whole thing. Yeah,

1165
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and Jordan loved it, really liked Taylor Infinite. Yeah, so weird,

1166
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.360
<v Speaker 2>it's funny, but you're right, I have a one. Well,

1167
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:52.760
<v Speaker 2>then you can play it on PS five and Xbox.

1168
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:54.199
<v Speaker 3>That's all that whole thing.

1169
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.320
<v Speaker 2>In the spread your next year PS five Yeah, yeah,

1170
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:00.239
<v Speaker 2>the best PS five.

1171
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:00.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1172
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:04.320
<v Speaker 2>I realized it was I was I'm so in a

1173
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.400
<v Speaker 2>tunnel mode of what I'm working on that. I was like,

1174
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:15.039
<v Speaker 2>they were like five, like, it's not so who says Microsoft?

1175
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.639
<v Speaker 2>And then Eric Tay yesterday it was like, yeah, it's

1176
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:18.840
<v Speaker 2>coming out next year. I was like, no, it's not

1177
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Speaker 2>coming this series P five.

1178
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, oh right. I was like, what

1179
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.800
<v Speaker 3>what are you talking about? It strange and the games

1180
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.360
<v Speaker 3>are crazy, man. Yeah. When I when I when I

1181
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:30.559
<v Speaker 3>first when I saw the game's calm gameplay, like, I

1182
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.800
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, I think I get it now. I

1183
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:35.360
<v Speaker 3>think I know what they're trying to do, because like

1184
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Wolfenstein has all this exploration behind it. It's not just

1185
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 3>like I'm like a corridor shooter anymore. There's like so

1186
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.079
<v Speaker 3>much context that they put into the level design as well.

1187
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.599
<v Speaker 3>So Okay, they're just emphasizing something different that they've already

1188
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 3>been doing really well for this game. So I'm like, oh, okay, cool,

1189
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.559
<v Speaker 3>say less, I'll play it. Yep, yep, exactly that exactly that. Oh.

1190
00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.519
<v Speaker 4>One of the the third person to first person switching.

1191
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:01.679
<v Speaker 4>Did you see like seeing it?

1192
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 3>It was fine. I don't give a fuck. It's just

1193
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.800
<v Speaker 3>the thing. It was one of those things that I

1194
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.119
<v Speaker 3>just don't know how it's gonna work. I don't know why.

1195
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Just every time you interact with something, it's like, you know,

1196
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's like whatever, you're climbing a rope. I

1197
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't know if it was like no, no, no, no,

1198
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 2>no no, no, it's it's it's a person. It's just

1199
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.280
<v Speaker 2>when you're interacting with something or doing something.

1200
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.159
<v Speaker 3>Frankly, I'm okay with it because sometimes I think, like

1201
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:30.400
<v Speaker 3>first person maneuvering stuff in first person certain scenarios is

1202
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 3>like nauseating and like sure kind of silly. I don't know,

1203
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:34.760
<v Speaker 3>it's I always go back.

1204
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:38.320
<v Speaker 2>This is mostly VR talk, but like I think, uh

1205
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.960
<v Speaker 2>like Rising four VR, not the not the remake. Uh

1206
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:46.559
<v Speaker 2>was always did a good job of like when he

1207
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.559
<v Speaker 2>did like roundhouse kicks and ship taking a third person

1208
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I should know. But Village is the opposite because that

1209
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.480
<v Speaker 2>game was built to be in first person person and

1210
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 2>cut scenes is like so disorienting and silly.

1211
00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Looking to me. So I'm okay with it. Well, I

1212
00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Speaker 3>was just wondering if it was it was a button

1213
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:02.599
<v Speaker 3>to switch or it's just context.

1214
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:04.280
<v Speaker 2>There's only one thing that it's on the UI that

1215
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.920
<v Speaker 2>they didn't really explain, just like in the bottom course,

1216
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean I did ask them about it. In the

1217
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:10.119
<v Speaker 2>bottom corner, you can see like a little like you

1218
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:12.039
<v Speaker 2>see like Indy's face and there's like a deep aad

1219
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>arrow And I was like, oh, are you like in

1220
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.199
<v Speaker 2>ciney waiting that you can switch characters at some point

1221
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.679
<v Speaker 2>because there is another protectonist that game not a playable one,

1222
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:21.800
<v Speaker 2>but there no, it was. It was just just confirmed

1223
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:23.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's like disguises are going to be a big deal.

1224
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:29.920
<v Speaker 3>So it's actually because yeah, an indie hit man level.

1225
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:35.840
<v Speaker 3>I like that word, like that cool cool man. Yeah.

1226
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Other than that, the game, my care the game that

1227
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:45.519
<v Speaker 3>actually like the most from games Come was about Ralph

1228
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.840
<v Speaker 3>said it was the game. It was like the standout

1229
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:52.599
<v Speaker 3>game to me really just like I feel like from

1230
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.239
<v Speaker 3>what I've the conversations I saw, like people are like, oh,

1231
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.519
<v Speaker 3>it's this might not be a very difficult game to show. Okay, Okay,

1232
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.960
<v Speaker 3>That's how I felt about that. I forget when they

1233
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.440
<v Speaker 3>did it, but like a while ago they did that

1234
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.119
<v Speaker 3>that little like showcase thing. I think it's the beginning

1235
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.039
<v Speaker 3>of the year, and I remember just being like, ah,

1236
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:13.719
<v Speaker 3>this isn't really doing it for me, but yeah, I

1237
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 3>imagine that game needs time.

1238
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.840
<v Speaker 2>The yeah, the from what I played, I played two

1239
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.880
<v Speaker 2>of three available classes, and I deliberately didn't choose the

1240
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Barbaring because I was like I know this.

1241
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:26.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean I felt like I know it. I was like,

1242
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:28.599
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I I've seen I've played enough first person.

1243
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.360
<v Speaker 3>You've been playing a lot of oblivion. I see you.

1244
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I went. I fell asleep on that

1245
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.719
<v Speaker 2>boat in the end. Did by happenstance?

1246
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:40.119
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

1247
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I just was like, I was like, I don't want

1248
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:43.880
<v Speaker 2>to go. I just need to sell my ship. Imperial

1249
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 2>City I hate, Yeah, go sell my ship. Oh there's

1250
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:49.280
<v Speaker 2>an inn I leveled up. Let me go ticket out.

1251
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:51.960
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly how I fucking woke up and the boat

1252
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:54.760
<v Speaker 2>was out to see and I was like, what the yeah,

1253
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:56.280
<v Speaker 2>let's go fantastic.

1254
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm so happious happy. That's the way

1255
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:04.679
<v Speaker 3>you just perfect. So sorry, Jake. That reminds me that

1256
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:06.840
<v Speaker 3>you kind of like hinted at it, totally forgot you

1257
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:07.760
<v Speaker 3>mentioned anything about it.

1258
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, so about I'll keep this more short, but uh, basically,

1259
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like I played the Ranger class, which is a

1260
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.000
<v Speaker 2>shooty shooting shooter class.

1261
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and then the Mage and the one thing.

1262
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.719
<v Speaker 2>I'll start with the Mage because I think magic classes

1263
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:29.199
<v Speaker 2>are probably, in my opinion, the hardest and most boring

1264
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 2>classes the game and to do right in first person games, yeah,

1265
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.199
<v Speaker 2>because I always think of like, like my context is

1266
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.559
<v Speaker 2>it is games like the Elder Scrolls and stuff, and

1267
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:40.960
<v Speaker 2>like I think of being I started like my I

1268
01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:43.199
<v Speaker 2>like magic classes, but those games a kind of ruined

1269
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 2>it for me because like playing Skyrim as a as

1270
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:48.639
<v Speaker 2>a as a mage, you're just like hands out, just

1271
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:51.480
<v Speaker 2>blasting stuff with your mits and like walking backwards and

1272
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't really feel like I'm doing anything sure times,

1273
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:55.360
<v Speaker 2>And maybe that's just my play style or how that

1274
01:02:55.440 --> 01:03:03.719
<v Speaker 2>game gave it to me. Vow reminded me of playing Wow,

1275
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:06.239
<v Speaker 2>because when you play Wow, when I play Wow, And

1276
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that this might be the same for Final

1277
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Fancy Online or something, but like, uh, it's all about

1278
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.239
<v Speaker 2>your rotations of like where it's like you have a

1279
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.840
<v Speaker 2>certain set of abilities to use in a certain order

1280
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to cast a.

1281
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Certain in fact, area of fact, area of attacks. All that.

1282
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Avowed is that, so when you play me, you have

1283
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.960
<v Speaker 2>a series of set moves as as as a mage period.

1284
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 2>But your items, your wand and the books of spells

1285
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.559
<v Speaker 2>are different, so you find different ones with different effects.

1286
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:42.599
<v Speaker 2>You find differ, so you build, find, you build, so

1287
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.559
<v Speaker 2>you always you always have your set things, whether it's

1288
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:48.519
<v Speaker 2>like rooting people on the ground, like you know, electrocuting them.

1289
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 3>But then you might have a book that specializes in.

1290
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Like uh, creating like magical melee weapons, so you like

1291
01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.000
<v Speaker 2>can root someone on the ground, poison them with like

1292
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a fucking cloud or something thing, and then you can

1293
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.119
<v Speaker 2>like spawn us you know this like mallet out of

1294
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:05.760
<v Speaker 2>magic and beat the ship out of it.

1295
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Or you can have a different book.

1296
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:10.280
<v Speaker 2>With a different with a different set of skills. So

1297
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.840
<v Speaker 2>like the build that I played had two books, so

1298
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:16.000
<v Speaker 2>it's able to psyche through like almost like fucking Doom style,

1299
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I like have one book cast the spell, flip

1300
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.719
<v Speaker 2>to the other book cast these spells. It was way

1301
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:24.079
<v Speaker 2>more in depth and way more intricate than I used

1302
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:25.599
<v Speaker 2>to playing in games like this, like of a first

1303
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:29.239
<v Speaker 2>person single player that was more like again reminiscent of

1304
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.440
<v Speaker 2>playing like an MMO when you're playing with a group

1305
01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:32.920
<v Speaker 2>of people and people are depending.

1306
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 3>On you for a certain rotation. Yeah, it was awesome.

1307
01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:40.280
<v Speaker 3>That's that's really cool that but I don't know if

1308
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:43.119
<v Speaker 3>it's a good I don't showing it is different, right.

1309
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:45.280
<v Speaker 2>So so like there's like you know, you don't have

1310
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:49.519
<v Speaker 2>context for like the rhythm because look at it just

1311
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:50.519
<v Speaker 2>looks like shit's happening.

1312
01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Watching MMO combat, you look at it and it looks yeah,

1313
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:56.079
<v Speaker 3>it looks like nothing.

1314
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.840
<v Speaker 2>And then but playing like a ton of like combat versatility,

1315
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:01.880
<v Speaker 2>so there's like jump dodges and like run slides and

1316
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:05.159
<v Speaker 2>shit like that, so you like have versatility in your

1317
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:06.880
<v Speaker 2>movement to also do this stuff. So I thought it

1318
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:09.320
<v Speaker 2>was fucking wicked. I thought I genuinely had a great

1319
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.320
<v Speaker 2>time doing it. Yeah, and then the Ranger was interesting

1320
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.719
<v Speaker 2>because like there's no you don't collect ammo in this game.

1321
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.039
<v Speaker 2>You're just infinite ammo, which I was like, okay, uh,

1322
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 2>And it's like one shot per gun, but each each

1323
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:24.400
<v Speaker 2>mouse or shoulder trigger is like each hand. But like

1324
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.639
<v Speaker 2>you can get really creative with like how you shoot

1325
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and like because like one gun can have like electrifying

1326
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.880
<v Speaker 2>attack when the other gun can have another attack. You

1327
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:34.760
<v Speaker 2>can geet like really clever and unique while also having

1328
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:37.760
<v Speaker 2>your own rotation of skills. Each class has its own

1329
01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 2>rotation of skills. That's just really reminiscent of like MML

1330
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 2>planes to me like it was wicked. And then on

1331
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:46.320
<v Speaker 2>top of that, during my playthrough, I had a conversation

1332
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:48.679
<v Speaker 2>with a dude who is like bleeding out and he

1333
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:50.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, please give me a portion, and I told

1334
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:52.079
<v Speaker 2>him not. I was like, no, I'm not gonna help you,

1335
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I'm a virgin. And I could have

1336
01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:58.440
<v Speaker 2>responded to me like I can't help you with that

1337
01:05:59.400 --> 01:05:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the virgin.

1338
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.760
<v Speaker 3>So the first time that is so funny.

1339
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:07.280
<v Speaker 2>So the first time I did give him a potion

1340
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, oh, I thank you so much.

1341
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Second time, I was like, I'm not gonna give him

1342
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:12.159
<v Speaker 2>a potion.

1343
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:14.440
<v Speaker 3>So I kept talking to him, and the more I

1344
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.199
<v Speaker 3>talked to him, ever, between every choice I made, he's like, please,

1345
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:18.079
<v Speaker 3>I am bleeding out.

1346
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had sex before. He dies mid conversation, so

1347
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:25.760
<v Speaker 2>like I'm just talking to him. He's going along just

1348
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:27.840
<v Speaker 2>choosing one other options I can't aside from give the potion.

1349
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:30.280
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh, I'm doing bleeding out and he dies.

1350
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Conference just straight up like talking about so all of

1351
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:36.599
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, just watch his body at the ground, and

1352
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:38.440
<v Speaker 2>the other dude's like, well, I guess we can't use him.

1353
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:40.159
<v Speaker 3>Anymore, and just like we have to go on and

1354
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:42.800
<v Speaker 3>I love that shit? Yes, what's that? What's the general

1355
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:43.519
<v Speaker 3>tone of the game?

1356
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I would it's very I would say it's like it's

1357
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:53.559
<v Speaker 2>high fantasy. It's very whimsy, and it's definitely very comical.

1358
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:58.360
<v Speaker 3>But no, it's so sort of like a fabily almost. Yeah, yeah,

1359
01:06:58.480 --> 01:06:58.760
<v Speaker 3>it's not.

1360
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 2>It's not the heavy hand did. It's very like within

1361
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:06.559
<v Speaker 2>the universe. It feels very within the environment, like contained

1362
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:08.039
<v Speaker 2>within what it's trying to do. It's not trying to

1363
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:09.559
<v Speaker 2>like be tongue in cheek, it's not trying to like

1364
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:11.679
<v Speaker 2>fucking wink and nod at you the entire time.

1365
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:14.239
<v Speaker 3>It feels very earnest, well in the same way New

1366
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Vegas is.

1367
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, it's probably more in line

1368
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.039
<v Speaker 2>with that and like one of the out worlds. Yeah,

1369
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:23.920
<v Speaker 2>because there was a character I met who was who

1370
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.760
<v Speaker 2>like considered himself a god and when you meet him, like,

1371
01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:28.639
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, you're a god. But the more you

1372
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:31.199
<v Speaker 2>talk to him, you realize that he just proclaimed himself

1373
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:31.519
<v Speaker 2>a god.

1374
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Love that.

1375
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:34.480
<v Speaker 2>So he's just telling people he's a god and he's

1376
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:36.599
<v Speaker 2>acting like a god, but they're actually like, no, dude,

1377
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:39.079
<v Speaker 2>you're a douche bad You can straight up to be

1378
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:41.599
<v Speaker 2>like you're just lying to yourself and other people.

1379
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:47.079
<v Speaker 3>You're not God. That's so good. Excuse me, I'm sorry.

1380
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:49.400
<v Speaker 2>So that was actually my standout game, and I just

1381
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.119
<v Speaker 2>want to make sure I say, because like, I actually

1382
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:54.159
<v Speaker 2>really dug it. All the games I played, that was

1383
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:56.559
<v Speaker 2>the one that I walked away being like, I'm very

1384
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:57.559
<v Speaker 2>glad I got hands.

1385
01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:58.039
<v Speaker 3>On with it cool.

1386
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:00.960
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, I know a lot of people

1387
01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:03.119
<v Speaker 2>have the same probably or you, Michael, You've probably heard

1388
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:05.559
<v Speaker 2>the same things where it's like it's I've talked to

1389
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Lucy and Tam who only saw a presentation that in

1390
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 2>hands on and they walked away being like, I don't know,

1391
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.320
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, yeah, that's the impression I get, but

1392
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:14.440
<v Speaker 2>skill up.

1393
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was a fan. He was need not that

1394
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I need validation from other people. I want to make

1395
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:22.680
<v Speaker 3>sure I'm not insane. No no, no, no, yeah, really

1396
01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:25.319
<v Speaker 3>loved it cool. That's what's up man? Yeah, that's good,

1397
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:27.920
<v Speaker 3>so good to hear him. Yeah, Jake Decker is avowed

1398
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:34.920
<v Speaker 3>you an't touch on that game all right? And is

1399
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.720
<v Speaker 3>there anything else when games come or nothing? Positive? Nothing?

1400
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.560
<v Speaker 3>There's a there's a few games I saw that I didn't.

1401
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:43.439
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a lot of good things today. You

1402
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.520
<v Speaker 3>don't have to. Did you? Did you walk into an

1403
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:50.960
<v Speaker 3>amusement of makeshift amusement park alongside the river and watch

1404
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:51.840
<v Speaker 3>a punk band play?

1405
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1406
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.319
<v Speaker 3>That sounds a Kurt moment that it was. That was

1407
01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:59.119
<v Speaker 3>in Cologne. I know, I know that, like the city

1408
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.000
<v Speaker 3>is known for having like an amusement park in the

1409
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:02.279
<v Speaker 3>city right there.

1410
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:09.199
<v Speaker 2>That's apparently because like my partner was like, I was like,

1411
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you should come and hang out with me after the convention.

1412
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:12.319
<v Speaker 3>We can do that.

1413
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.279
<v Speaker 2>She was like, Cologne doesn't look interesting except for apparently

1414
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 2>there's an amusement park there.

1415
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:20.000
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if I cared. Okay, I never

1416
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:20.399
<v Speaker 3>saw it.

1417
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say it's my last story because I was.

1418
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:25.760
<v Speaker 2>I said I was gonna say it for the podcast. Oh,

1419
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I was warned the game's colm was smelly. Oh is

1420
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:35.600
<v Speaker 2>that true? Partly, I would say the majority of games

1421
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:39.960
<v Speaker 2>com was not smelly except for one hole. Oh okay,

1422
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 2>smelled as if human being had ate an entire brick

1423
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:51.279
<v Speaker 2>of cheese and shipped out of one clump.

1424
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:56.199
<v Speaker 3>It was so foul, so so strong. It sounded like

1425
01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:59.680
<v Speaker 3>just ship cheese. It smelled like ship cheese. It was

1426
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.880
<v Speaker 3>so bad. I couldn't what was that about this one hall?

1427
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:08.479
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, someone like every time I had to go

1428
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:10.399
<v Speaker 2>around that area, I was like, funk, we're in the

1429
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:12.880
<v Speaker 2>ship cheese hall, Like like we have to, like, now,

1430
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 2>crazy do this.

1431
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:15.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I wasn't sure if it was.

1432
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:23.720
<v Speaker 2>The smell from a thousand gamers in one place, a

1433
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:26.760
<v Speaker 2>thousand games, if someone had.

1434
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.319
<v Speaker 3>Really tried vomited or whatever the whole.

1435
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Fucking giants, you know what the government cheese breaks that

1436
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:42.199
<v Speaker 2>they would send out and yeah, sure, okay, okay. Turns

1437
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:49.359
<v Speaker 2>out someone that morning apparently in that hall vomited, okay.

1438
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Really bad, so much so that it calls someone else

1439
01:10:52.960 --> 01:11:02.319
<v Speaker 3>to vomit. We got to change crazy, Yes, oh my god.

1440
01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:04.119
<v Speaker 2>The best part was like this was first thing in

1441
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:07.720
<v Speaker 2>the morning. Yeah, And this was like this was early

1442
01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:13.920
<v Speaker 2>access day is day one, either someone in business or

1443
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:18.319
<v Speaker 2>someone who paid to be there early. The general public

1444
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.279
<v Speaker 2>and their brains out at ten am and then another

1445
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:25.479
<v Speaker 2>person someone just goes way too hard, like first day

1446
01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:25.920
<v Speaker 2>of games.

1447
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:29.479
<v Speaker 3>If it smells that foul, it has to be something

1448
01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:31.520
<v Speaker 3>that is like if I if I throw up from

1449
01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:33.760
<v Speaker 3>like oh, I like drank too much the night before or.

1450
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:39.079
<v Speaker 2>You also something you all Yeah, pure alcohol yack is

1451
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:42.359
<v Speaker 2>not that bad. You ate the cheese break pork knuckle

1452
01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:47.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe I guess the city of Meat. Yeah, trust me,

1453
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:50.720
<v Speaker 2>I witnessed two people eat that pork knuckle. That ship

1454
01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 2>is a lot, looks like a fucking monster hunter meal.

1455
01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was pretty stupid. It's hard to eat. I

1456
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:01.520
<v Speaker 3>don't I don't know how to navigate. Yeah, a pork nuncle.

1457
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:02.239
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

1458
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:05.159
<v Speaker 2>But uh so No, I don't think it was as

1459
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:07.079
<v Speaker 2>smell as it was. But the smell that did occur

1460
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:09.800
<v Speaker 2>was within a scenario that unraveled.

1461
01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Got sane. Yeah, but it smelled like fucking shit shit cheesh.

1462
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.520
<v Speaker 3>I missed games, Calm, I want to go back. This

1463
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:21.279
<v Speaker 3>is the god I missed that smell?

1464
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:24.399
<v Speaker 2>How many times you've been only once I went in

1465
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:27.279
<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen, But like I I I remember it so

1466
01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:29.520
<v Speaker 2>vividly because like, I can't believe this is it was

1467
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:34.720
<v Speaker 2>the first time I ever traveled in Europe. Cool first, yeah,

1468
01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean first time in Germany for me, like I've

1469
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:38.439
<v Speaker 2>been to the UK. That was like my only other contexts.

1470
01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so I'm like I'm in this. I've been

1471
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:43.039
<v Speaker 3>to like Mexico a bunch of times, of course because

1472
01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I lived in San Diego, so like, but like navigating

1473
01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Mexico is very easy because like I know some Spanish.

1474
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:49.720
<v Speaker 3>I know, like this is the same vibe as with

1475
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:52.680
<v Speaker 3>San Diego, but like this is a foreign, foreign place

1476
01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 3>where like oh, there's a lot of white people here

1477
01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:58.680
<v Speaker 3>and oh yeah, and not like white people don't speak English. Yeah,

1478
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:02.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm like kind of on ed. I'm like I feel uncomfortable, sure,

1479
01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:05.000
<v Speaker 3>just like I don't this, this is not I should

1480
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:09.000
<v Speaker 3>not be here. But when when I got to Colonna, like, oh,

1481
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.439
<v Speaker 3>it's it's chills fuck.

1482
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Really progressive, like really chill, really cool. I saw, like

1483
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.239
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I saw a ton of fucking diversity

1484
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:19.840
<v Speaker 2>and like in every way shape and for him there

1485
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:24.520
<v Speaker 2>And also, uh, I felt just so silly because I

1486
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to like learn any German. Everyone just knew

1487
01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:32.560
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah everybody that's like yeah, English is also and

1488
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:35.600
<v Speaker 2>It was definitely like kind of because I spent the

1489
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 2>first day mostly alone. I traveled there alone too, and

1490
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like a little embarrassed, like walk into a

1491
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:42.720
<v Speaker 2>place for the first time and like try and order something,

1492
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:44.439
<v Speaker 2>and they were just like, hello, what would you like?

1493
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, this guy, Yeah, yeah, so it's great.

1494
01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:54.760
<v Speaker 3>That's cool. Yeah, it's like, let's go, let's go back,

1495
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:56.279
<v Speaker 3>let's go next day. I would love to go. Yeah,

1496
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.279
<v Speaker 3>I've never been. You should go. That'd be cool and

1497
01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:02.000
<v Speaker 3>stuff of me. All right, straight up walk into a

1498
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:04.560
<v Speaker 3>circus tent and see you a punk band play. Yeah,

1499
01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:07.199
<v Speaker 3>that's sound incredible. Yeah, this sounds awesome, shouts out to

1500
01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 3>loop O. That's I got them on Spotify. Hell yeah, the.

1501
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Twenty eighteen the Colone circus tent. Let's go during games

1502
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:16.279
<v Speaker 2>calm and they're like, what the fuck are you doing here?

1503
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:20.640
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I'm chilling, sick. Did you like

1504
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:23.479
<v Speaker 2>the show? I was like, do you the only one?

1505
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:27.079
<v Speaker 2>There was like maybe like twenty people. And I was like,

1506
01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:29.479
<v Speaker 2>do you have merch Like not really, Like well, if

1507
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:30.720
<v Speaker 2>you have merchant, would have bought it. He was like,

1508
01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:35.239
<v Speaker 2>well he falls on Spotify. The story you just explained

1509
01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:38.119
<v Speaker 2>It sounds a lot like a few things from the

1510
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 2>movie Wings of Desire, which is also a German film,

1511
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, and has circus tents in it. Okay, punk band,

1512
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.960
<v Speaker 2>okay maybe, but not a punk band in a circus tent.

1513
01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Circus. What do they call carnees? Yeah, carneys who go

1514
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:54.520
<v Speaker 3>to a punction? Okay? Great? What about great movie movie?

1515
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:58.840
<v Speaker 3>Nick cave is the punk Nick cave is, oh yeah,

1516
01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:02.119
<v Speaker 3>and the bad Yeah. I only give a good seed.

1517
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:09.039
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, I ain't like the cave out here. Ah,

1518
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:13.359
<v Speaker 3>this podcast has been going on too long. Is there

1519
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:15.119
<v Speaker 3>anything you want to talk about.

1520
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:17.680
<v Speaker 4>I've just been playing Red Dead, I've been doing the

1521
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:19.439
<v Speaker 4>Jake Decker, and I've been playing Red Dead two again.

1522
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:24.079
<v Speaker 4>That's pretty much it, and I the only thing that

1523
01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:27.560
<v Speaker 4>I've gotten away from it is it's like I smashed

1524
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.479
<v Speaker 4>through that game the first time I played it, which

1525
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:33.079
<v Speaker 4>was such a bad idea. Oh sure, like I wanted to,

1526
01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:34.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, like I wanted to get ahead of all

1527
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:37.479
<v Speaker 4>the spoilers and all that stuff. But playing it now

1528
01:15:37.560 --> 01:15:39.880
<v Speaker 4>and taking my time, it's so interesting to play a

1529
01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:43.640
<v Speaker 4>game where there is no world to save, you know,

1530
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:45.720
<v Speaker 4>like there's no bigger thing than just the.

1531
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Inner world that's leaving you behind. Exactly, We're more more

1532
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:50.880
<v Speaker 2>ghosts of people at this point.

1533
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:52.920
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly. That's what he says. That's what he says.

1534
01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:56.279
<v Speaker 4>And I think to play a game like that is

1535
01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.960
<v Speaker 4>so fascinating because it then becomes like what do you do?

1536
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, like what, like how do you spend your time? Yeah?

1537
01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Like especially but knowing how that game goes.

1538
01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:11.119
<v Speaker 2>And what happens, It's like what do those those small

1539
01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:15.000
<v Speaker 2>moments mean so much more when you're you know, yeah,

1540
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.960
<v Speaker 2>they have consequence and even like doing things like buying

1541
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:21.359
<v Speaker 2>a boat for the camp and like going out and fishing.

1542
01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:24.079
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, yeah, this is just a lovely way to

1543
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.399
<v Speaker 4>spend an afternoon. And then I go into town and

1544
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:29.479
<v Speaker 4>go to the saloon and like, assholes, like just one

1545
01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:30.600
<v Speaker 4>more job.

1546
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:36.239
<v Speaker 3>One more school. You're just on the camp fishing, It's

1547
01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:40.359
<v Speaker 3>like one more, just one more fish. He's going to

1548
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.399
<v Speaker 3>be great, Like come on.

1549
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.680
<v Speaker 4>But that that's it is, like these these grand plans,

1550
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.000
<v Speaker 4>you see how much they don't mean anything, you know,

1551
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:55.800
<v Speaker 4>how hyperbolic and how Jake talks about how optimistic that

1552
01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:57.960
<v Speaker 4>game is. And I I heard that the other day

1553
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:01.520
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, oh, yeah, because everyone's striving for something,

1554
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:04.239
<v Speaker 4>but it's something small, like it's just to get the

1555
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:07.840
<v Speaker 4>gang to Tahiti. It's just to get you know, like

1556
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:09.640
<v Speaker 4>I didn't want to spoil the story moment, but like

1557
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:12.840
<v Speaker 4>save someone in the gang or something like. It's just

1558
01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:15.479
<v Speaker 4>little small moments that all add together and it's just

1559
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:18.479
<v Speaker 4>it's such a beautiful ga It's so beautiful. That's my

1560
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:21.479
<v Speaker 4>favorite line reading in any piece of media of all

1561
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:23.319
<v Speaker 4>time is the one.

1562
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:28.199
<v Speaker 3>No No, it's the the like, the the like what

1563
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:31.479
<v Speaker 3>is it? It's with the with the Down, the Downs family,

1564
01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:35.560
<v Speaker 3>the the Thomas, the Downs that you get money from,

1565
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.880
<v Speaker 3>and then he coughs on you and you go back

1566
01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:40.720
<v Speaker 3>and he's dead, and the Arthur Morgan's like, you know,

1567
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:43.520
<v Speaker 3>after your mother's finished, morning your father, I'll keep wearing

1568
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:46.680
<v Speaker 3>black on your behalf. And I get like, I'm like, ooh,

1569
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:48.239
<v Speaker 3>the pen is like on fire.

1570
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:52.159
<v Speaker 2>This is so sa But like that moment, I was

1571
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:56.119
<v Speaker 2>thinking about that moment and it's such like it's when

1572
01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:58.880
<v Speaker 2>you play the game, like it's like you create these

1573
01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:02.359
<v Speaker 2>little moments. Arthur's seems so much softer, you know, like

1574
01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:04.640
<v Speaker 2>he just seems and then for him to do this

1575
01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:09.560
<v Speaker 2>whole kind of like macho intimidation. Things seems like such

1576
01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.319
<v Speaker 2>a front And I'm like, even if you're not playing

1577
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.479
<v Speaker 2>like a morality run or whatever where he's the best.

1578
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:17.159
<v Speaker 3>Person, you're just kind of like what what like what

1579
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:19.159
<v Speaker 3>are you doing? Like why are you doing?

1580
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:22.680
<v Speaker 2>It's so it feels it feels like I see this

1581
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:27.199
<v Speaker 2>character like yeah, yeah, this is like such a human

1582
01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:28.159
<v Speaker 2>part of this character.

1583
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:29.880
<v Speaker 3>That's like I know what he's doing.

1584
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:32.239
<v Speaker 2>I know what he's doing, and I know, like you

1585
01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:36.600
<v Speaker 2>see through the front so and it's so well that, Yeah,

1586
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:38.199
<v Speaker 2>it does feel like this is a real person.

1587
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Roger clark Man, Yeah, amazing. Yeah, it's not.

1588
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:43.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying anything new. Red Dad's one of the best.

1589
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:45.079
<v Speaker 4>Red Deadtoo is one of the best games.

1590
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:47.560
<v Speaker 3>I can't talk about it because I'll cry. It's really

1591
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:51.399
<v Speaker 3>yeah me, uh yeah, damn that's your I.

1592
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:56.680
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that's that's honestly all I've been doing. I

1593
01:18:58.199 --> 01:18:59.960
<v Speaker 4>dove back in and I'm like down the rabbit hole.

1594
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was talking to Jake about this too, and

1595
01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:03.479
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yo, I might do that because like

1596
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:05.079
<v Speaker 3>when Red Dead two came out, I'm like I was

1597
01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:07.239
<v Speaker 3>such a different person where like I didn't necessarily connect

1598
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:10.000
<v Speaker 3>with the like that more intimate style, and I didn't like,

1599
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:12.239
<v Speaker 3>I didn't like I knew, I know what happens in

1600
01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:14.159
<v Speaker 3>that game, right, But I was also like, I don't know,

1601
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:16.199
<v Speaker 3>like I'm not really into like the rock Star style game,

1602
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.319
<v Speaker 3>but like it's again, it's an antithesis to what you

1603
01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:21.720
<v Speaker 3>expect from Rockstar. So I want to go back where

1604
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:23.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I have experienced like so much more in

1605
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.399
<v Speaker 3>my life now when I look back, maybe I replayed

1606
01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Red Dead and be like, oh, I get it now

1607
01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:30.560
<v Speaker 3>there like Persona three was that for me, where like

1608
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:32.239
<v Speaker 3>I loved it when I played it, and then I

1609
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.079
<v Speaker 3>played reload, I'm like, I get it now, Like I

1610
01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:37.439
<v Speaker 3>get what you're trying to say, and it means something

1611
01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:39.199
<v Speaker 3>completely different. Well, and that's the thing.

1612
01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:41.800
<v Speaker 4>It's this is the first time playing it in I

1613
01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:43.840
<v Speaker 4>think it's six years at this point.

1614
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Came out what twenty eighteen, Yeah, twenty eighteen, and just

1615
01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:49.760
<v Speaker 3>how I have changed, how the world has changed.

1616
01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just it really has made something exactly to your point.

1617
01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Exactly to your point, Yeah, I might do that, you should.

1618
01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:57.840
<v Speaker 3>I It was funny. I was like, oh am I

1619
01:19:57.880 --> 01:19:59.960
<v Speaker 3>really going to play Red Dead again? And then I started.

1620
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna play Redet again. Yeah, time I boot

1621
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:05.800
<v Speaker 2>up Steam super.

1622
01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:13.359
<v Speaker 4>And you yeah, exactly, or this War of Mine or

1623
01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:13.960
<v Speaker 4>something like that.

1624
01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:17.479
<v Speaker 3>There was no, I didn't know the other game. You

1625
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:20.199
<v Speaker 3>probably see me playing his crime scene cleaner. Yes that

1626
01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:24.239
<v Speaker 3>is yes, Oh that's great. Fifteen fifteen hours in that

1627
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:27.239
<v Speaker 3>game is like power Watch simulator about for crime scenes.

1628
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, yes, are you a criminal because you're trying

1629
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:31.439
<v Speaker 2>to get rid of evidence?

1630
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:35.960
<v Speaker 3>No, you're you are helping criminals. It's fucking okay. Oh

1631
01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:41.960
<v Speaker 3>so you're so you're the mirror, You're you're yeah, you're Yeah, Okay, you're.

1632
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:46.640
<v Speaker 2>A janitor who's whose wife is dead, daughter has cancer.

1633
01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:50.640
<v Speaker 2>You gotta you gotta start cleaning up crime scenes.

1634
01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:53.239
<v Speaker 3>For the criminals. You get money to pay for your

1635
01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:57.800
<v Speaker 3>daughter's gun city. Yeah. The writings the main character is

1636
01:20:58.760 --> 01:20:59.239
<v Speaker 3>so bad.

1637
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:03.520
<v Speaker 2>But then there's actually some decent, like really good, like

1638
01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:06.279
<v Speaker 2>clever writing for the scenarios in which.

1639
01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:07.239
<v Speaker 3>They kind of like give them to you.

1640
01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:09.479
<v Speaker 2>It's not just like powerwashingly where you go and clean ship.

1641
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:13.159
<v Speaker 2>It's like actually there's kind of like a narrative that's incredible,

1642
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:16.720
<v Speaker 2>but it's a big butt because it's it's made me

1643
01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:19.600
<v Speaker 2>question my purchase a little bit, or made me want

1644
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:22.880
<v Speaker 2>to examine the development of that with a magnifying glass.

1645
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:28.720
<v Speaker 2>The family portraits in that game are and it's one

1646
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.399
<v Speaker 2>of those things where it's made me question everything about

1647
01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the game. Yeah, it's like even made me wonder like is.

1648
01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:41.399
<v Speaker 3>This voice acting like at times like I don't know?

1649
01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:46.119
<v Speaker 3>So I'm I will say, I taking it f face value.

1650
01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm enjoying it, but I might walk away and find

1651
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.479
<v Speaker 2>out that I played a AI game. And so I

1652
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:55.800
<v Speaker 2>got this right now, that's great because I don't have Twitter,

1653
01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:56.960
<v Speaker 2>motherfucker don't.

1654
01:21:57.039 --> 01:21:58.960
<v Speaker 3>That's right because I was looking. I was like, I

1655
01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:01.279
<v Speaker 3>was looking for a photo that we tweeted like a

1656
01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:02.640
<v Speaker 3>long time ago. So I was like trying to like

1657
01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:05.119
<v Speaker 3>search underscore indoveno. Wait do I have to do all caps?

1658
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Because it was all caps? And like, what the fuck

1659
01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:11.560
<v Speaker 3>did he got? This? Man's disappeared. I had someone text

1660
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:18.079
<v Speaker 3>me being like are you dead? Yes? Wow yet never again?

1661
01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so good for you man, but we'll see. I'll

1662
01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:22.880
<v Speaker 2>get a magnifying glass. I've been trying to do some

1663
01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:26.840
<v Speaker 2>research on the studio. I wouldn't put it past them,

1664
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:30.279
<v Speaker 2>but I do. I do think this game is made

1665
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:33.239
<v Speaker 2>by humans. Okay, yeah, I just know that some of

1666
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:38.760
<v Speaker 2>the portraits are I must have that. Yeah, look to

1667
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:41.640
<v Speaker 2>him that. I'm like, that's not a real person, not to.

1668
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:42.359
<v Speaker 3>De real completely.

1669
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:44.359
<v Speaker 4>But has anybody been able to play me yet?

1670
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Sorry? It just made me. Scene made me think of this.

1671
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Don't want to go get it when I'm not. Jake

1672
01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:55.560
<v Speaker 3>was talking about it with me, and and and I

1673
01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:56.960
<v Speaker 3>really want to check it out.

1674
01:22:57.039 --> 01:22:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Yea crime scenes made me think of it. The smiling man,

1675
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested. I would like to play.

1676
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Saw ads for that. The seven to eleven in Japan.

1677
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Hell, yeah, well comes out. I think it's like yeah today, No,

1678
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:10.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm interested.

1679
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Jake specifically asked me because I'm a narrative visual novel boy.

1680
01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:16.439
<v Speaker 3>But and I have mixed feelings on I.

1681
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Have a deep appreciation for the FAMO kind of mystery games,

1682
01:23:19.239 --> 01:23:23.039
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think they're good. But I think contextually

1683
01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:25.960
<v Speaker 2>they're really important and the idea of making a like

1684
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:28.680
<v Speaker 2>a modern but that's where I'm really I would like

1685
01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:30.920
<v Speaker 2>to see what the new version of that looks like.

1686
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Apparently it's an M rated game, and that's cool. That's cool.

1687
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Well, it feels like something like you know, famicom leads

1688
01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:38.319
<v Speaker 4>to something like hotel does.

1689
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:41.680
<v Speaker 3>That's why I was like, contextually there, I'm glad they exist.

1690
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:43.520
<v Speaker 2>If you were to ask me, do you think they're good,

1691
01:23:43.520 --> 01:23:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm like no, because I've I've played one hundred games

1692
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:51.279
<v Speaker 2>since then. I've seen where it went and it's just

1693
01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:52.279
<v Speaker 2>for the time.

1694
01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:53.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sure, got it.

1695
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:57.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's I probably will go with a target and

1696
01:23:57.399 --> 01:24:00.920
<v Speaker 4>pick up the copy when I will to leave here. Yeah,

1697
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.239
<v Speaker 4>because I got children to put into labor on frost

1698
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:04.840
<v Speaker 4>Punk still and.

1699
01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Fucked up games. That's is frost Punk two? No, No,

1700
01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:15.119
<v Speaker 3>that's not not yet. Oh just the first one. Yeah, okay,

1701
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:19.199
<v Speaker 3>when does Frost come out? September twentieth? Oh, okay, it is.

1702
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:22.319
<v Speaker 3>It's just something. Okay, it was a few months, that's

1703
01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:24.680
<v Speaker 3>what it was. I was like, labor, that's crazy. How

1704
01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:27.760
<v Speaker 3>about you about me? Yeah, I've been Japan all week.

1705
01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:28.600
<v Speaker 3>I haven't played in games.

1706
01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:32.399
<v Speaker 4>Good for you talk to us about uh your Yeah,

1707
01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:33.239
<v Speaker 4>we were talking about it earlier.

1708
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny because I think it was like two

1709
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:39.319
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago. I was like, Hey, this podcast might not

1710
01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:41.119
<v Speaker 1>happen because everyone's gonna be in games calm, and I

1711
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:43.199
<v Speaker 1>don't think I get anyone on it. It turns out

1712
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't be on it either because I had to

1713
01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:48.560
<v Speaker 1>take a last minute trip to Japan help my brother move.

1714
01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh right, yeah, yeah, so it was last minute. It was.

1715
01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I saw that message in Slack and immediately textats general

1716
01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Luca was like, what the fuck what?

1717
01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:58.000
<v Speaker 3>I bought it?

1718
01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I bought the tickets three day how much more then?

1719
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Surprisingly cheap.

1720
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.479
<v Speaker 3>So that's the move. Okay, I'm going to Japan. I'm

1721
01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:10.239
<v Speaker 3>gonna give you the I'm gonna give you the moves.

1722
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:18.239
<v Speaker 3>So I ended up getting a flight from zip Air,

1723
01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:23.079
<v Speaker 3>which isn't trust that. It sounds sketch. I forgot like

1724
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:24.880
<v Speaker 3>it showed up in my thing and I was like,

1725
01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:27.199
<v Speaker 3>this looks like a scam. Yeah, because they were like, hey,

1726
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:28.640
<v Speaker 3>you get these for this much and I was like,

1727
01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:33.600
<v Speaker 3>oh the way, that's significantly cheaper. It's legit. It is.

1728
01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Air Japan's budget airline. Okay that they just started and

1729
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:42.319
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't. They launched it like early twenty twenty,

1730
01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>which I was like, hell of the T'm gonna start

1731
01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>an airline twenty twenty.

1732
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.279
<v Speaker 3>But fair they didn't know.

1733
01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:52.800
<v Speaker 1>It only flies to Narita Airport and it only flies

1734
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:58.199
<v Speaker 1>out of a very limited airports. So in the United States, specifically,

1735
01:25:58.279 --> 01:26:02.199
<v Speaker 1>they only fly out of sa FO, San Jose, Lax and.

1736
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Like Chicago, and that's it. Oh sho Chicago, damn.

1737
01:26:05.319 --> 01:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was yeah, I was surprised they went that far,

1738
01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:12.039
<v Speaker 1>but that is it. I was able to get two

1739
01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:16.920
<v Speaker 1>round trip tickets for two yeah, for two people again

1740
01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>three days before nineteen hundred dollars.

1741
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Wo, damn, that's that was rare. Tell them.

1742
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Also it was direct direct flight, yeah, no lay over.

1743
01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:33.399
<v Speaker 1>The second best option was a United flight one person

1744
01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:34.399
<v Speaker 1>round trip.

1745
01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:41.239
<v Speaker 3>Let's do prices, right, Yeah, I already know. Okay, I'll

1746
01:26:41.279 --> 01:26:43.159
<v Speaker 3>let me say, okay, I'll go first. Five thousand. You

1747
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:45.279
<v Speaker 3>could say one, I said, well, I said forty not

1748
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.399
<v Speaker 3>that much. This is one person. I was gonna say

1749
01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:49.239
<v Speaker 3>forty eight. Now it's less than that. It wasn't that,

1750
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:52.479
<v Speaker 3>it was thirty six. That shit, alright, that's twenty five.

1751
01:26:52.840 --> 01:26:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, okay, five for one person. Yeah, now three

1752
01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:58.600
<v Speaker 3>days before that.

1753
01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>That feels standard of like, hey, you're trying to get

1754
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:02.279
<v Speaker 1>a trip like that, we're gonna we're gonna charge you

1755
01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:02.640
<v Speaker 1>up right.

1756
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1757
01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>But again, so it's like it would have been five

1758
01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>thousand for both me and George, which in which case

1759
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>she just wouldn't have gone. So it's only because of

1760
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:16.039
<v Speaker 1>this airline like that, I was, we were able to

1761
01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>do that. It's great at all. Crazy, So you live

1762
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:23.439
<v Speaker 1>in one of those places to go Japan, you can

1763
01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:25.479
<v Speaker 1>get them, Like I looked it up, like if you

1764
01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:27.680
<v Speaker 1>just like plan it out in advanced and picked just

1765
01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:29.319
<v Speaker 1>like give me just a random day, you can get

1766
01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>those as low as like two fifty. You can get

1767
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>something real cheap gass tickets.

1768
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:38.840
<v Speaker 3>But that's what I heard. The flight itself though pretty good. Okay,

1769
01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:41.560
<v Speaker 3>there's no overhead bins.

1770
01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:45.079
<v Speaker 1>No, no, there are overhead bins. It pretty much has

1771
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:48.760
<v Speaker 1>all the accommodations. There's just no like screen on your seat,

1772
01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:50.319
<v Speaker 1>which like doesn't happen with me.

1773
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.159
<v Speaker 3>Food. Yes, you can still order food, I mean, but

1774
01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:56.680
<v Speaker 3>they charge you, but it's not that much they charge

1775
01:27:56.680 --> 01:27:59.439
<v Speaker 3>you on United. Sometimes I've been flying Spirit recently and

1776
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:00.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, it's perfectly fine.

1777
01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like they don't charge they charge it for food,

1778
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>and they don't bring by drinks like so you have

1779
01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:06.279
<v Speaker 1>to get water as well.

1780
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:10.199
<v Speaker 3>But it's like if you just like get that myself. Yeah,

1781
01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:13.439
<v Speaker 3>sometimes I do think it's a bit excessive. I oftentimes

1782
01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, I'm good. Yeah, I agree.

1783
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>So it like you know, and I think, I like,

1784
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.640
<v Speaker 1>we paid a little bit more. We we had to

1785
01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>pay a little bit more if we wanted to do

1786
01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:26.560
<v Speaker 1>like carry on carry on or that's so we just

1787
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:29.039
<v Speaker 1>paid tab it. But because it's direct, it doesn't matter

1788
01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>to me. I like having carry on when I know

1789
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I have a layover because I inevitably my bag gets

1790
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:37.319
<v Speaker 1>lost like on the in between. So with this, I

1791
01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:40.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't care, it's one it's just one thing.

1792
01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm going right there. So honestly, the flight was like fine,

1793
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Like for a budget airline, I'm like, it doesn't feel

1794
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:48.239
<v Speaker 1>very budget at all. Like it even still had like

1795
01:28:48.319 --> 01:28:51.039
<v Speaker 1>charging ports and stuff like yeah yeah. So I was

1796
01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>like I was able to like plug in like charge

1797
01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:55.359
<v Speaker 1>my all my ship. It was great, cool, amazing flight.

1798
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>So I went to Yokohama for the first time. I

1799
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>gotta do the Ichiban, the Ichiban Tour, the like a

1800
01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:06.600
<v Speaker 1>dragon tour, which was a lot of fun because last

1801
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>time I went to Japan.

1802
01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I did Oska, so you know, like and then and then.

1803
01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:17.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, dude, Kabukicho Camarocha. So this time I did

1804
01:29:18.119 --> 01:29:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Yokohama Road.

1805
01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:23.359
<v Speaker 3>Yep. So my my brother lives right the side of

1806
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.279
<v Speaker 3>of Eastern Zaki Road. What the fuck.

1807
01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy called east and in real life, but he

1808
01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:34.199
<v Speaker 1>lives like literally right off there. So I went, I

1809
01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:36.039
<v Speaker 1>like went to his place and then like went around.

1810
01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>It was like it's right there. Yeah, that's where confessed

1811
01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>his love and got kicked in the nuts. And I

1812
01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:47.399
<v Speaker 1>found I also went down like the bar district. It's

1813
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:48.760
<v Speaker 1>got like the word, it's got that curve, and I

1814
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.119
<v Speaker 1>found like a building that it was like, that's that's

1815
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>where survived bar would be.

1816
01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I went around like it.

1817
01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Was where the Koreans were stealing electricity where you're taking

1818
01:29:57.960 --> 01:29:58.399
<v Speaker 2>like fruits.

1819
01:29:59.000 --> 01:29:59.760
<v Speaker 3>I found. I found.

1820
01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I found there like Koreatown, like they actually have the

1821
01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>like Koreatown as a sign and everything. And I was like,

1822
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:06.640
<v Speaker 1>because I was walking by, I was like, this kind

1823
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:10.439
<v Speaker 1>of feels like we're the the the Gomi Jewel.

1824
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:16.039
<v Speaker 3>Like the white oh Bleach Japan. That's one.

1825
01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was that was cool. Though it was like

1826
01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>hell of fun getting to experience all that. It's also

1827
01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:29.439
<v Speaker 1>interesting experiencing that in the context of yakuza because I

1828
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:35.439
<v Speaker 1>feel like, uh, both Camarocho and and and like something

1829
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:39.319
<v Speaker 1>boy don't worry are so one to one for the

1830
01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>most part, Like they're not like perfectly one to one,

1831
01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:48.279
<v Speaker 1>but they're very close where yam Yokohama is obviously like

1832
01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:52.840
<v Speaker 1>it's a huge ass city, so it's much more condensed down,

1833
01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:56.279
<v Speaker 1>so uh like all the elements are there, but but

1834
01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:59.279
<v Speaker 1>it is way more skilled back like he's Zaki Chow

1835
01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:02.439
<v Speaker 1>is like a huge road that's like not even close

1836
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:05.079
<v Speaker 1>to how you know, like in the game or the

1837
01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>chinatown is massive, Like the the version of the game

1838
01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>does not do it justice.

1839
01:31:11.479 --> 01:31:13.119
<v Speaker 3>It's like two different roads in the game. It's like

1840
01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:14.159
<v Speaker 3>two roads, and that's China.

1841
01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>If they were to do if they were to do

1842
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>an accurate representation of the Yokohama Chinatown, it would be

1843
01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>it would have to be a making map. It's like

1844
01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the size of Camarocho should do it justice. It was

1845
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:28.239
<v Speaker 1>that's crazy, really cool. I was showing some pictures to

1846
01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Stu earlier. It is like the biggest chinatown in the world.

1847
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.199
<v Speaker 1>I think, I think maybe yeah, definitely the biggest oie

1848
01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:39.119
<v Speaker 1>of China. It's definitely the biggest in Japan because it's

1849
01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:42.279
<v Speaker 1>like where all the Chinese immigrants like originally came from

1850
01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to Japan.

1851
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:47.279
<v Speaker 3>That's like a whole story thread in. Yeah, exactly.

1852
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It's very ingrained into like the history of Yokohama and

1853
01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:56.279
<v Speaker 1>like do that ship is crazy? Yeah, it's it's super impressive.

1854
01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>It puts because San Francisco, I would say, has like

1855
01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:01.199
<v Speaker 1>the best China town in the United States. It puts

1856
01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:03.279
<v Speaker 1>ours to show. I mean it's it's the o G Yeah,

1857
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:05.840
<v Speaker 1>but it like it really does put ours to shame.

1858
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, wow, like we got nothing, you got

1859
01:32:08.720 --> 01:32:09.439
<v Speaker 1>nothing on y'all.

1860
01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:12.800
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. I think Chicago's is. I think they have

1861
01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:17.039
<v Speaker 3>a bigger but I hon but I just know that.

1862
01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of different vibe though. So like the

1863
01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:23.439
<v Speaker 1>the main there's kind of like two main roads. The

1864
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.279
<v Speaker 1>first main road is very much the tourist y road

1865
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:28.199
<v Speaker 1>where it's it's like ah, here's all like the street

1866
01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:30.159
<v Speaker 1>vendors and the stalls and the tourists. And then the

1867
01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:33.079
<v Speaker 1>second road is much more of like a quieter like oh,

1868
01:32:33.159 --> 01:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>this is where you would actually go to like get

1869
01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:37.039
<v Speaker 1>your groceries and do this, and there was like a

1870
01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:40.119
<v Speaker 1>shrine there and like, oh, these are where people actually like.

1871
01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Live yes, it's not just like if you want to

1872
01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:44.640
<v Speaker 3>go to Chinatown for a good time, you go here.

1873
01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:48.079
<v Speaker 3>It's like, no, people think we people live here. This

1874
01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:50.000
<v Speaker 3>is it has all the things you need for someone

1875
01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:52.600
<v Speaker 3>to like exist, yes place, yeah, yeah, yeah. Our Chinatown

1876
01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:55.479
<v Speaker 3>like feels more like those two are kind of knicked together.

1877
01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:00.479
<v Speaker 3>Grant Streets the tourist and then just over totally. Yeah.

1878
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, this had a more this had a

1879
01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:06.239
<v Speaker 2>more like clear separation of like this is clearly the

1880
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:08.840
<v Speaker 2>touristy part and it's like just flooded with people.

1881
01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Funnily enough, like I think Seann she was like a

1882
01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:15.520
<v Speaker 3>pretty cool representation of San Francisco, China. Sound like yeah, yeah,

1883
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:17.680
<v Speaker 3>it was okay. It was like it's like what fifteen

1884
01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:20.800
<v Speaker 3>twenty minutes of the movie the first Yeah, so I

1885
01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:22.720
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, okay, yeah, is that Marvel movie. Yeah?

1886
01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I watched what about that? I watched over someone's shoulder,

1887
01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, some shoulder on their phone.

1888
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I said, I sat on the plane the person and

1889
01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I just watched the scene because I get shot on

1890
01:33:35.119 --> 01:33:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Bush Street.

1891
01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:37.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just like watched that part and I was like,

1892
01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:38.560
<v Speaker 3>all right, enough.

1893
01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:41.159
<v Speaker 4>They're taking the one California bus yeah, it doesn't go

1894
01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:41.920
<v Speaker 4>on the street.

1895
01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Hello. Yeah, and then they end up square is so funny,

1896
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:49.039
<v Speaker 3>right on the bush and end up the gird.

1897
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, they're they're going down for like twenty minutes

1898
01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and you're like looking at and you're like, oh, no,

1899
01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:53.399
<v Speaker 2>they're here.

1900
01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:56.159
<v Speaker 3>Now, they're there. Now they're yeah, wait, hold on, it's

1901
01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:59.560
<v Speaker 3>really they were. I was like I couldn't. I had

1902
01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:02.159
<v Speaker 3>to like go through security to get to my apartment. Really,

1903
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, what they do? Uh yeah, like you know,

1904
01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:13.439
<v Speaker 3>I gotta see that. I went to like the the park.

1905
01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:16.279
<v Speaker 3>Uh that's in yeah the game as well.

1906
01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah park. You see the big big ship and stuff.

1907
01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:23.439
<v Speaker 1>You could like go on it for tours. We didn't

1908
01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:27.039
<v Speaker 1>do that, but you can see the uh the first wheel.

1909
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go go art racing. I did see the shop.

1910
01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:32.159
<v Speaker 1>I was like I must have been the most annoying

1911
01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>fucking person to Georgia and my brother because I like,

1912
01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:37.079
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was like, see that gift shop

1913
01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:39.119
<v Speaker 1>right there, that's we can go go kart racing. See

1914
01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:42.079
<v Speaker 1>that that's where you can do the skateboarding mini game.

1915
01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:45.840
<v Speaker 1>And Lost Judgement just kept doing like where are the

1916
01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>ramps here? You see that that's the holess camp where

1917
01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I can fully healed up.

1918
01:34:53.319 --> 01:34:55.720
<v Speaker 3>Damn, that's that's so cool. That's so sick though, Yeah,

1919
01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:58.119
<v Speaker 3>it was. It was fun. I really like it's it's

1920
01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:01.560
<v Speaker 3>a really cool city. Like it has was the uh.

1921
01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>It has like a lot of the energy of you know,

1922
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:08.119
<v Speaker 1>like some of the places in Tokyo, but like it

1923
01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have quite the like hustle and bustle.

1924
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:12.319
<v Speaker 3>I would say it's like a cologne of Japan.

1925
01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:15.279
<v Speaker 1>There you go, like it feels a lot more chill

1926
01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like, oh you can you can see

1927
01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:19.479
<v Speaker 1>everything you want to see and then you can like

1928
01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:21.119
<v Speaker 1>do all this stuff. But also like it had how

1929
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:23.439
<v Speaker 1>much chiller energy to cool?

1930
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:25.560
<v Speaker 3>It did fine when I was there. I always get

1931
01:35:25.560 --> 01:35:29.840
<v Speaker 3>them fucking mixed up. It was. I stayed in Shinkawa.

1932
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:35.159
<v Speaker 3>Hue is the busy is the like Times Square. It

1933
01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:39.119
<v Speaker 3>shows was where I where is where I was, And

1934
01:35:39.199 --> 01:35:43.800
<v Speaker 3>that was like the suburbs, which I where I fucking

1935
01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:46.199
<v Speaker 3>walked around and hung out. Shinega was like kind of

1936
01:35:46.279 --> 01:35:47.920
<v Speaker 3>the tail, like the south end right.

1937
01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:50.319
<v Speaker 2>So I got to I got between see I got

1938
01:35:50.359 --> 01:35:53.119
<v Speaker 2>to because I went to Shabouia for like a total

1939
01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:54.359
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes go off the train.

1940
01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is not for me, and then

1941
01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:57.840
<v Speaker 3>just got right back the train. Oh really yeah, I

1942
01:35:57.960 --> 01:35:59.880
<v Speaker 3>did not enjoy it because it was just time to me.

1943
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:02.079
<v Speaker 3>You just felt like the times square right, It's just

1944
01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:03.640
<v Speaker 3>like you would have enjoyed more like.

1945
01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I had a great time in Chinagawa was good.

1946
01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:10.479
<v Speaker 2>That's where I went to psy Cats.

1947
01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:12.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh the bar.

1948
01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I think you'd like the slap bar. No, never mind, okay,

1949
01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:22.159
<v Speaker 2>they'll slap you listen, okay, sharing off.

1950
01:36:22.600 --> 01:36:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Another thing, Yokama is cool, Like I said, the

1951
01:36:27.079 --> 01:36:27.600
<v Speaker 3>vibe is great.

1952
01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I looked it up by the way, and it's Yokosuka

1953
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>is the shenmu one I thought Yokohama was also.

1954
01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:36.760
<v Speaker 3>It might be, I mean it could well. Yokuska is

1955
01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:40.760
<v Speaker 3>also a place that that's where like yeah, yo, I

1956
01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.479
<v Speaker 3>don't know if it's if it's an approximation to, but

1957
01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:45.600
<v Speaker 3>that is like where the Navy people are and the

1958
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:51.880
<v Speaker 3>son Yeah yeah, because like a sailor. That's like Yokuskas

1959
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:54.359
<v Speaker 3>where like a lot of like my friends who lived

1960
01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:55.720
<v Speaker 3>in Japan for a very long time because of the

1961
01:36:55.960 --> 01:36:58.479
<v Speaker 3>their parents are in their pants area they grew up in.

1962
01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Yokuska was like, oh, well, there's like there's an American

1963
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:05.520
<v Speaker 3>school there. Yeah, there's it's America butt in Japan.

1964
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:07.359
<v Speaker 2>In Sheny you walked to the docks and there's the

1965
01:37:07.399 --> 01:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>one guy looking out at the battleship and he's like, hmm,

1966
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the Americans are here.

1967
01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:14.760
<v Speaker 3>That that is what it is. I thought it was

1968
01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Yokohama though, that they were at because it's also a

1969
01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:21.479
<v Speaker 3>poor town. You said it is, yes, Yeah, it was cool.

1970
01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I got to see the I went to the shin

1971
01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Yokohama Romen Museum.

1972
01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:27.560
<v Speaker 3>I was going to ask you.

1973
01:37:29.399 --> 01:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>It was.

1974
01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:33.640
<v Speaker 3>It was where the new sign was. It was like

1975
01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:37.119
<v Speaker 3>the glory whole butt for Ramen. I should have kept

1976
01:37:37.159 --> 01:37:45.079
<v Speaker 3>that one offline too. I mean yeah, texted me. You know.

1977
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:50.279
<v Speaker 3>I went down in a basement and uh that was crazy.

1978
01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:52.359
<v Speaker 3>So what that was? This museum?

1979
01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Like the first floor of the museum is like a

1980
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>proper museum. You're like, oh, like look there's like an

1981
01:37:56.960 --> 01:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>old like Romen cart stall and like you know all

1982
01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>these learn on the history. But then you go down

1983
01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the basement and they have recreated like a nineteen fifties

1984
01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>style like Japanese like oh shit district. Yeah, it looks

1985
01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>like a theme park.

1986
01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:12.479
<v Speaker 4>Okay, in wait, I have to preface because when when

1987
01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:14.239
<v Speaker 4>John Leck said this, I thought they were talking about, like,

1988
01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:15.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, Japantown.

1989
01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:16.079
<v Speaker 3>How has the little like.

1990
01:38:16.279 --> 01:38:21.840
<v Speaker 2>The strip that now like replicates the the Japanese restaurants,

1991
01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>like the restaurant row and it's kind of fun, but

1992
01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:26.319
<v Speaker 2>the ceiling's low. When you're like, okay, I'm still in

1993
01:38:26.439 --> 01:38:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the mall, this looked like Pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah,

1994
01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:30.600
<v Speaker 2>like this is like it's like a theme park.

1995
01:38:31.239 --> 01:38:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

1996
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:33.000
<v Speaker 2>That kind of reminds me a little bit of that

1997
01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:36.439
<v Speaker 2>one underground city in Infinite Wealth what that was Hawaii?

1998
01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like how is that?

1999
01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Like they have a fake sky crazy it's like a

2000
01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Vegas type joint a little bit exactly.

2001
01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:46.039
<v Speaker 1>And then like if you walk around, you kind of

2002
01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:48.279
<v Speaker 1>like walk through these like narrow alleyways and they like

2003
01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:52.760
<v Speaker 1>have like these fakes like little shops and they had

2004
01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>there's like a cat mew like found that like played

2005
01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:56.399
<v Speaker 1>because there was like a cat in one of the windows.

2006
01:38:56.479 --> 01:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like very yeah, like theme parky. But

2007
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:02.359
<v Speaker 1>the reason you go there is at the bottom they

2008
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:06.680
<v Speaker 1>have all of these Ramen restaurants and each Romen restaurant, Yeah,

2009
01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:07.720
<v Speaker 1>you go to the romen O.

2010
01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:08.319
<v Speaker 3>My god.

2011
01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Each restaurant is based on a a like authentic old

2012
01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:19.600
<v Speaker 1>ramen recipe that they've like painstakingly recreated and that you

2013
01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:20.720
<v Speaker 1>actually like get to eat and.

2014
01:39:20.760 --> 01:39:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Trots boiled water you eat it.

2015
01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:28.319
<v Speaker 1>So like one of them is It's not the one

2016
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I went to, but one of them is like the

2017
01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:34.039
<v Speaker 1>original ramen, like the first ever, like Ramen Shop.

2018
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:41.159
<v Speaker 3>It tastes like ship. It was like they like recreated it.

2019
01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Like in this place, which is like super cool called

2020
01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:49.920
<v Speaker 3>top Ramen. Some brick so we came from a plastic bag.

2021
01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:52.560
<v Speaker 1>We didn't get to go to it. But in Yokohama

2022
01:39:52.600 --> 01:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>there is also the cup Noodle Museum. Oh ship, that's

2023
01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:59.439
<v Speaker 1>like uh maybe, but like it's like it teaches the

2024
01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:00.800
<v Speaker 1>history of cup noodle and then at the end you

2025
01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:02.279
<v Speaker 1>get to make your own cup noodle.

2026
01:40:02.479 --> 01:40:06.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh a whole setup, make your own. But yeah, the

2027
01:40:06.319 --> 01:40:09.000
<v Speaker 3>ramen I had there was like the most delicious raman.

2028
01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:13.880
<v Speaker 3>It was so fucking good. Holy ship. That was sick.

2029
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

2030
01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Other than that, I mean, honestly, because I was just

2031
01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>helping my brother move, a lot of my trip was like,

2032
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:22.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, I got real familiar with the don Quixote.

2033
01:40:22.600 --> 01:40:25.479
<v Speaker 1>We went like five times because it was like nearby

2034
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>went to the mujie. Hell yeah, like we had all

2035
01:40:29.800 --> 01:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the spots because we're like we got to get your clothes,

2036
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:33.079
<v Speaker 1>we got to get your school supplies.

2037
01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Dude, there was a Muji here in us that I

2038
01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:40.399
<v Speaker 2>shut down, shut down, that I went to all the time.

2039
01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:45.319
<v Speaker 2>That is, like, if you check my search history, yes,

2040
01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:49.840
<v Speaker 2>last night I was looking at Muji because oh yeah,

2041
01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm going through like a detox mentally physically always

2042
01:40:57.800 --> 01:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>like the things I own, wardrobe, all that jazz, and

2043
01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Mooji is usually a safe place.

2044
01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:02.239
<v Speaker 3>For me to start from the bottom.

2045
01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of the Japanese version of like an Ikea.

2046
01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:08.840
<v Speaker 3>I would say, I would say it's I would say

2047
01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:09.079
<v Speaker 3>it's a.

2048
01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:14.479
<v Speaker 2>It's it's a lifestyle Japanese store where you can get everything,

2049
01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:18.279
<v Speaker 2>like where it's an essential place of living cleaning, like

2050
01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:22.319
<v Speaker 2>from cleaning supplies diminish to minimal furniture to wardrobe to

2051
01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:23.279
<v Speaker 2>the best pens.

2052
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:25.479
<v Speaker 3>Their pens are so damn good.

2053
01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so and yeah, they do have a really good

2054
01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:29.800
<v Speaker 2>stationary stationary like their own, their own.

2055
01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:32.279
<v Speaker 3>Their vibes are amazing. I prefer the way over, like

2056
01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.720
<v Speaker 3>I call it the I call it like the Japanese palate.

2057
01:41:35.880 --> 01:41:38.359
<v Speaker 2>It's like the like when I think of like when

2058
01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:41.239
<v Speaker 2>you don't think of your stereotypical Japanese pop culture and

2059
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you think of like the palette of a place. I

2060
01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>think of Mouji Beija's. I think every country place has

2061
01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a palette, and that captures.

2062
01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:50.079
<v Speaker 3>It very well.

2063
01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Georgia fell in love with it immediately, and they

2064
01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:54.840
<v Speaker 1>got very depressed when I told her one.

2065
01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:58.520
<v Speaker 3>And said, someone shut down. There is the pandemic.

2066
01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>There is this one particular pillow she found that she

2067
01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>loved so much and was like, can I buy it online?

2068
01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:04.880
<v Speaker 1>You can't, And we didn't have room to bring it

2069
01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:07.760
<v Speaker 1>with us, and real depressed. We gotta go back just

2070
01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:08.680
<v Speaker 1>to buy that one pillow.

2071
01:42:08.840 --> 01:42:13.199
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's so. That was cool. Uh uh.

2072
01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Don Quixote is a sensory nightmare of a place.

2073
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you've ever been inside a don Quixoto,

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<v Speaker 3>to a don Quixote in Hawaii? Do their crazy so

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<v Speaker 3>don keio No, No, it's just it's just the ship.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of those. So don Quixote is a discount store.

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<v Speaker 3>They got the theme, you know, donkey donkey, so imagine

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's like it's a discount store.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got everything you need. It's you know, like five

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01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:48.119
<v Speaker 1>or six levels, everything super packed and tight.

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<v Speaker 3>But imagine so.

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<v Speaker 1>Every instead of having just one song that plays in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the place, imagine like they have a different

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01:43:01.159 --> 01:43:05.319
<v Speaker 1>song like playing not per floor, but like every like

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet.

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<v Speaker 3>So you'll be in like oh yeah, get pictures for contact.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so you'll be in one yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, You'll be like standing next to like the soap

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01:43:22.640 --> 01:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>and like this one like song will be blasting. You'll

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01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:27.920
<v Speaker 2>walk literally five feet and another song will start playing

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01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:32.439
<v Speaker 2>like like the kitchen utensils are. And then on top

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<v Speaker 2>of that, the don Quixote theme is just playing constantly.

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<v Speaker 3>All the time. Have like three three YouTube tabs open,

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<v Speaker 3>playing three different songs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a subway check out there because like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know my time in Japan.

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<v Speaker 3>This is non intentional.

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<v Speaker 2>But no matter what I did, no matter what direction

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<v Speaker 2>I went in, whatever I was looking at one of

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01:43:52.199 --> 01:43:55.520
<v Speaker 2>those stories, it's like six flours fucking tall. I just

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<v Speaker 2>always looked up and was like I'm in the porn section,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was just me for I, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>like not intentional.

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<v Speaker 3>I just was just being bombarded by.

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<v Speaker 2>Like small ones, always small places, lots of noise like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like a porn is being played on a

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<v Speaker 2>TV screen.

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<v Speaker 3>And friend was like, I was just looking at the toys. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I get the fuck out of st Italian guys like

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<v Speaker 3>you would understand us.

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<v Speaker 2>Get this guy with with with the with the pinched

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<v Speaker 2>fingers to get him mister pinch.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, Yeah, buddy, we get it on.

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<v Speaker 2>The pinches the back of your shirt throws you out

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<v Speaker 2>with one hand, Yeah, exactly, but that makes sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of noises for a country that protests you making

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<v Speaker 2>noise in public, whenever you go into a store, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no problem.

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<v Speaker 3>It's everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>The fog walk, Yeah, the don kyot a BVP area, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's uh, it's a nightmare place. And I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of love it. I guess I got very familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 1>As I told you about this. They had a commercial

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<v Speaker 1>that was playing on a TV for like their new

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like a new version of like the don

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<v Speaker 1>Quixote kind of like to guess what American like musicians

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity they got just starting this.

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<v Speaker 3>Kot Well Jack Jack Johnson, Oh my god, what's his face?

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<v Speaker 3>Boss guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Jones is a musician, is an American musician. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't recognize him at first. Him it was a him,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get say that because he just had like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff on him.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was just like, who's that?

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<v Speaker 2>And then it was interesting Farrell close in that area,

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<v Speaker 2>but not could could produce.

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<v Speaker 3>For that this person interesting? Oh is it? Is it

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<v Speaker 3>a fucking oh my god? He's he was? He was

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<v Speaker 3>an everyone's song. He was what is his name? Was

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<v Speaker 3>like on a bunch of features Nelly Fano and he

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<v Speaker 3>did a Timberlin.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. I'm saying so for this, I mixed it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a producer, Yeah, produced a song. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you said Robin Thick. I mean still before before Michael

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<v Speaker 2>said was you said a bunch of hats? I was

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<v Speaker 2>like kid rock god, Oh, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Think that they would kid. It was Brina Marsh actually

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<v Speaker 3>like face was in my bring and they couldn't play

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<v Speaker 3>imagine Bruno Mars like the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's he's Hawaiian rights is like Portuguese.

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<v Speaker 3>That he's Filipino.

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<v Speaker 2>But he started out as an Elvis impersonator as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I didn't know that I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 2>that Elvis impersonator is now person Bruno Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>But everywhere if you google Bruno Mars down Quioto, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find that ad and it's like him, like wearing like

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<v Speaker 1>this glasses.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also sensory. It's also sensory overload. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, don Kitto was great. Go look up that commercial. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it for this episode again, spot everyone just.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, just like I got to cry for the

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<v Speaker 3>next one.

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<v Speaker 1>We got, we got, we got a bad we got

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<v Speaker 1>things to do. Thank everyone for tuning in. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a long one, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>ship though. We will maybe be back next week again.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going on with this office in

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<v Speaker 1>this desk, and we're gonna go shoot it or something.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll go figure it out. City, let's go. We'll hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>be back.

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<v Speaker 1>For your regularly scheduled the episode next time.

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<v Speaker 3>A piece take you down to gun City.