Speaker 1: Welcome back another episode of our interesting times. It is
my pleasure that Peter k and A is back on
the show. Peter, of course, is the host of the
eponymous Pek k and A show.
Speaker 2: Pete, how you doing, I'm doing good, tim What's going on?
What were you going to talk about today?
Speaker 1: Well, last time we talked, it was November and we
were talking about you know, what's going to happen was
a lockdown.
Speaker 3: That was a decade ago, right, Yes.
Speaker 1: So I think we're less than a month into the
Trump second Trump administration, Trump forty seven, and it started
out just with the floury activity. It hasn't slowed down.
I think it was Aaron McIntyre's for doing this was
the flooding the zone strategy and just keep it going
with these executive orders, these sort of executive or administrative
moves against the administrative state, the deep state, if you will.
The biggest thing, at least one of the biggest things,
was the executive order shutting down the United States to
see for International Development us AID, and it's exposed sort
of basically the scope and scale so much of what
the federal government and of course the those agencies or
departments are not departments, but organizations NGOs, if you will,
and and new news outlets, media outlets that they're feeding
off the trough And basically it's it's like a huge
criminal enterprise. It's been exposed. And so, uh you've been following.
I listened to your show. It is uh, it is
quite stunning to watch what's happening. I'm I'm I am
tempted to believe that it's all just fake. It's not
really happening. So what do you what do you have
to say? Because there's just too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those things, is like, because of
everything that we've seen in our life, and especially in
the last i would say twenty years, anything that looks
like change we have to be skeptical of. Especially if
that change, which I'm reminded of kind instantly by by
spergs on the internet. If that, if that change doesn't
involve calling out or persecuting a certain minority group that
has holds undue, you know, a lot of power, then
nothing ever happens. This can't be real yet. I'm looking
at a video of the Jewish Family services in the
San Diego and they're packing it up and laying off
over one hundred people because they their funding has been
cut off because USA it has been shut down. So yeah,
it seems like, h it seems fake because you know,
we didn't expect anything to happen. I mean, there are
people who didn't expect the j six prisoners to get
to be pardoned or anything like that. So would that happening?
I mean that just that's that's enough to be happy. Hey,
you know the guy got re elected. Those people get
their lives back and everything. Those people get their lives back.
But then you see things slowly start to be dismantled.
You think it's fake because you know, how could it
be real? Apparently because there aren't trains full of millions
of migrants yet, well there won't be. But I assume
that a lot of self deportation is happening because I
know people who move in migrant communities and they're telling
me that people are just up and leaving and they're
going home. And that's anecdotal, but you know, life's anecdotal.
But it seems like some good things are happening, and
you know, the USA, I do think one is huge.
I I have written I've heard a couple of things
back in the day for anti war dot com. And
one of the things that we always tracked was where
this money was going, what was paying for it? And
USAID would always come up. It would always come up
as dark money going to places feeding revolutions.
Speaker 3: I remember doing an.
Speaker 2: Episode years ago on the takedown of Yugoslavia and how
that was basically the national damage for democracy after they
bragged to the New York Times about how they were
going to basically do the things the CIA wouldn't do,
and you know, ned run and founded by all the
usual suspects, and how they were financed by USAID, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what are we seeing?
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to know, you know, people I
have people telling me that, well, you know, they're cutting
off the money to this certain group, but they're going
to figure out a way to get that. They're making
sure the money keeps flowing to that certain group and everything.
Three point eight millions Israel, It's like, yeah, three point
eight millions Israel, I mean three twenty eight billions to Israel,
A bunch of billions Egypt. Yeah, that is not going
to stop as long as those two countries exist, unless
they go to war again, because basically that's just a
payoff so that they don't fight each other. I mean,
that's literally what that is. That's what people don't realize.
It's payoff money. Say don't kill each other, don't don't
war against each other. And so people saying, oh, well,
they'll get the money for them somehow or another. And
I'm like, okay, so tell me where, tell me how.
We know it was going through USA idea. How are
they doing it now? I don't know, but it's definitely
gonna Okay, how do you know that? Give me your proof.
You're just theorizing. We've actually been shown receipts now about
certain things, so we know that certain things that we
thought in the past were true. And it seems like
people just want to keep losing and you know, make
up things and be like, oh, well that money, that
money is going to keep flowing. It's okay, well how's
it gonna how's it gonna flow? Because I'm not denying that.
I'm not denying that that it could keep flowing, But
tell me how, show me where, and you know, until then,
until I know that, until I see the fruits of it,
then you know, I have to assume what I'm seeing
with my eyes is essentially real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of these crazy Obviously. The highlight
some of the lunier crazier funding or programs with the
USA AID funded was like a transgender opera and in
Colombia or Guatemala or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, I mean Mike Ben's on Tucker Carlson Show. I
mean really exposed himself as a snake on that show
as far as I'm concerned, you know, was basically promoting saying, well,
you know, soft power works and USA i D was
providing the funds for soft power and maybe these transgender
operas do things.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, just shut it all down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly who who benefits?
Speaker 1: Quebbana, Well, so what is Samantha Power doing?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: She didn't her and Victoria Noulan after she left the
state go to work for us i D.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I know Victoria Nowlan was I guess what
do they call that? The ambassador, the head or the
person who basically is the voice of yah people talk
to to figure out where the dark money is going.
But yeah, Samantha Power was another one. So yeah, I
mean why would why would these people specifically like arch neocons,
I mean like, you know, I don't even consider them
to be Americans. I don't think Samantha Power is and
she speaks with a British accent. You and I consider
Victorian Nolan to be to be Ukrainian.
Speaker 1: Well, she married that, she married that patriot, Cass Sunstein, so.
Speaker 3: That that's Samantha Power, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously Victorian Nolan is married to Robert Kagan,
which is a cone in Russian. So yeah, in the
these are people who are fighting a three hundred year
old blood libel by kim knit uh you know, four
hundred years now, kiml Nitsky and his Cossacks basically killing
a bunch of lunatic Jews who decided the Messiah was
coming so that they could just start murdering people and
taking their land and taking their property and everything. And
kimal Skids come come in and as is what we.
Speaker 1: Know the history, but sabativy thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's that's where all the that's
where a lot of that, a lot of the lore
comes from.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm covering on the show with doctor Matthew
f al Johnson. Now we're slowly reading through Alexander Socialists
two hundred years together. We're on page seventy and we're
on episode thirteen, so it's probably going to be a
year's project of doing this. And it just shows over
and over again that, you know, especially when it comes
to Ukraine, which I think all of this ties into
exactly what's happening in Ukraine today. This is not and
the hatred towards Russia that you see, this is they
were using us AID to fund their you know, blood,
their blood, hatred, their ethnic animosity. And I think it's
interesting that people like Colonel McGregor and and even Judge
Napp and Tucker Carlson have actually said this. It's like said,
this seems to be an ethnic conflict and the people
who are doing this aren't even Americans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Greater started talking like Henry Ford, that was it,
the guy out of Scotland. What's the guy at the hat?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Can't remember what that guy's name is, labor guy. Yeah,
but he said, yes, this is Nahew. He represents the
international Jewish power and finance.
Speaker 2: And then if you would have said, if you would
have said Julie, I would have fallen out of my chair.
Speaker 1: So there's and then even I guess there's an interview
I saw with was a Colonel Davis or Davies, Yes,
And they were talking and again Tucker was talking sort
of in a roundabout we're talking about you. They love
the Soviet and his atheists. They hate it now that
it's Christian. Who's they old warriors? Are these cold warriors Trotskyites? Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone who's listening who hasn't heard that yet, go
to Tucker's interview with Colonel Davis, start around forty two
minutes and just play it, and you just hear him
basically saying that these yeah, yeah, he's basically calling them out.
And you know still, yeah, once you cross that I
think you know this, Tim, Once you cross that line,
there's no coming.
Speaker 1: Back, no no, And he marked that Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's a he Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm of the opinion that Tucker Tucker's his podcast, like
eighty percent of the episodes or not for us, he's
like speaking to the White House and speaking to people
in power.
Speaker 3: I think, because I'm under the.
Speaker 2: Impression I agree with doctor Jones, that he might be
representing a a wasp elite.
Speaker 3: That is sick of this crap.
Speaker 1: This was our country, darn it. You took it. Well,
he let you in and he took over.
Speaker 2: Oh if only there were history books to teach us that,
like I don't know, Jewish encyclopedias and Jewish Virtual Library
and oh wait a minute, that's right, they tell.
Speaker 1: Us, Well it is. I mean, did you have I'm
in USAID, which was created by John F. Kennedy in
nineteen sixty one. It was I think it was a
Foreign Assistant Actor of nineteen sixty one that directed the
President to create such an agency, and of course the
executive branch creates it and pretty much fleshes out, fleshes
is that, if you will, determines how it operates and
all that. So much of the agency is how it operates,
its various offices and all that. At least theoretically it's
controlled by the executive Obviously, it hasn't been controlled by
executive for decades. It's sort of a rogue agency outfit,
if you will, just there enriching people, and it's it's
just basically largely there's some ideological element too, because if
you look at some of these programs like AID, NED
International Public Institute, these are just you know, getting soft power.
And of course in Ukraine, it's not very soft. I
think they have over a million dead in Ukraine now,
so it's not very soft. It can get very hard quick.
But the the it's kind of because you look at US,
whether it's the Peace Corps or International Aid in these things,
or the CIA funding modern art or literary magazines and publications.
It was an attempter in the Cold War sort of
fight the propaganda or against the civic union. And it's
kind of interesting to note that US aid programs and
I guess soft power abroad became more perverse and gay
as the US became more perverse and gay. It sort
of mirrors the long March to the institutions. And it's
very typical how they simply don't know the same crowd
that we're talking about, you know, the Saturday people. They
don't know boundaries, and they just push it too far,
and they just pushed this. They could have kept us
if they just kept moderate about it, you know, kept
it somewhat reasonable. They could have kept U seeing going
a lot longer. And now once it's exposed. And I
think a while back, I think I asked you not
too long ago, do elections matter in an occupied government? Well,
I guess evidently the new matters what because personnel's policy
and Trump apparently came in the office, and it appears
I remember there was talk about an article du presidency
and was it section F of the was it section
F of firing idea of of sort of firing the bureaucracy,
And there's some talk of Trump doing this in his
first term, but then he was nudged out of office
in twenty twenty, as you all remember. But it appears
that this that they had a game plan going into here.
I mean, they hit the ground running and they haven't
stopped so there with Elon Musk, and yeah, I guess
it's because Elon Musk is involved beause he just wants
to put a chip in my brain. If I listened
to you know, some people, because it's a coalition of people,
some very powerful people who knew that the system was
was was being run into the ground, run off the tracks,
if you will, And a correction was made, which means
that people running this show, if you will, probably have
differing motivations. But that doesn't doesn't necessarily mean we should
we shouldn't cheer it on and support it from time
to time. At the same time, providing pressure and criticism
when necessary. Wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 2: No, I agree whole at one hundred percent. The well,
the good thing about having competing interests is that no
one's gonna Not one group is good. If one group
gets takes over and gets their way, then we're basically
back to what we had before. Now, if that group
is a group that aligns with us forty or fifty percent,
maybe even thirty percent, it's a lot better than what
we had in the past. So I'm not somebody who
I had my libertarian I had a long libertarian phase
where you know, I purity spiral. Then everything had to
be perfect, and I let the perfect be the enemy
of the good. And I try not to do that anymore,
although I do, you know, obviously have my biases towards
certain certain things, certain subjects. But yeah, I think having
competing factions in there is is actually a good thing
because not one of them is going to get everything
they want. As we were talking about before we started recording,
you know, people will say Trump is the most Zionist
president of all time. I don't even know if he
like knows what his zionist is. And I think if
you like gave him the definition of his Zionist if
he if you asked him if he was one, he
may even say no. I think he's just one of
these people who he's a boomer who has believed something
his whole life, and you know, and he's been dealing
with certain groups his whole life and he continues to
deal with them. That's not a good thing if you're
quote unquote the most powerful man in the world. But
you know, seeing these these groups and seeing that he's
definitely surrounded himself with people who want change, and I
think the reason they want things to change. At least
I'm seeing more and more people using the term administrative state.
I mean, like all day on Twitter, people I've never
even heard of, and they're people who weren't using it
six months ago, which is a good thing, because you know,
we've had the administrative state for almost one hundred years.
Now look where Look where it's gotten us.
Speaker 1: So well, that's only that's only legitimate if you're expanding
government at a break neck speed, right if you can't
if you use administrative power to check the state fire
and get rid of agencies and hold it accountable, then
all of a sudden you're it's illegitimate. But apparently if
you're Woodrow Wilson FDR, it's perfectly fine because it's progressive.
You can't be you can you can't be. You can
be administratively progressive, but you can't be administratively regressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned, like, uh that the executive was supposed
to be in charge of USAID and areathing and what
I mean? We haven't had an executive, a real executive
since Nixon. And look what happened. You know, somebody who
understood how to use and used that executive power, who
was on our side. And I don't even consider Bill
Clinton or even Barack Obama to be to have wielded
to wielded executive power. They were more run by the
administrative state, in my opinion. And it just seems that
that's that's the way it's been since Nixon. And you
know a lot of people will say, oh, well, you
know really really started a New Deal, or it started
World War One, or they want to go back to
Spanish American War whatever, Teddy Roosevelt and expansion Empire. I
really see like the early nineteen seventies, after they got
rid of Nixon, that's when you can see a a
real ramping up of the power, especially after the nineteen
seventy three war. And I'm not talking about Vietnam. And yeah,
so Trump is wielding executive power. Some of the things
he's doing, if they are carried out, and they are
carried out as a completion, will benefit will benefit us.
But I also think, yeah, and I was saying this
when I realized that there was a group of tech
elites that wanted Trump in power. What were you know,
what we referred to as Peypal mafia. It's not something
we came up with. And there was a Wikipedia page
for Crisik. We we knew.
Speaker 3: That there was.
Speaker 2: There were groups who saw that if radical change didn't happen,
they couldn't keep they couldn't keep going with what they
wanted to do. They they're used to doing business a
certain way. They can't do business a certain way if
it was keeping going in that direction, and if if
the regime would have kept going the way it is.
So what we could see is if we don't see
a complete dismantling of the regime, which is you'd have
to be you'd have to be Pollyanna to think it's
going to happen to be to be able to predict.
I think they're going to take down this whole administrative regime. No,
you're what you're probably seeing is people who are trying
to dismantle as much as they can so that they
can keep doing the things. You know, must want to
go to Mars. People like a lot of the little
tech guys are really interested in AI, and they don't
want China to be ahead of us in AI. They
want to control AI. They want they want AI to
be run, you know, they want it to be the
United States who controls it. So I think that's a
lot of the self interest that you're seeing. And you know,
one thing that I did learn a long time ago
that I think it is true is that another person's
self interest can benefit you. I mean inventions, things that
make your life easier. IM sure that person invented that
because they wanted to make money, but it also kind
of make your life easier. Henry Ford inventing the car,
things like that, he wanted to do that to become
wealthy and to have a legacy and be remembered for
all time. Him having his newspaper, it's just a bonus.
Speaker 3: But the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what we're seeing now is we're seeing
a struggle for power between like some tech elites, the
dying neocons, but also a faction of Jewish power that
I wouldn't call exactly neocons, but I think they're ones
that are understand that the gollum that they created with
the Woke is coming back to bite them in the ass.
And yeah, people like that.
Speaker 1: Why they will Why why you have a warrant de
I now? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or Paul Singer, I mean, Paul Singer is somebody who
he's basically, if you really look into it, he's responsible
for like the Steel Dossier, I mean, like that that
came out of his uh that came out of his
what was that? The Free Beacon who?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So and then he.
Speaker 1: Also he bankrolls Chris Rufer, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah the Manhattan Is too. And we talked
about that on our new our new little panel show
that The Inquisition, where I mean you have Chris Rufo's
talking about the new Right, We're gonna take down the EI,
We're gonna take down the Woke and all this stuff,
and then like Bill Crystal is on the board of
the of the Manhattans.
Speaker 1: Received a lot of money from the USA. Idea turns out,
of course, through a series of LLCs. It's like Buddy Lockery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of the Uh. One of the
funnier things that I saw today was that Chris Rufo
was trying to find it because I responded to it
in a certain way. Chris Rufo was talking about being
careful about who you hire or who you have in
your sphere, and a friend of mine had posted up
trying to find Yeah, he said, Uh. Rufo had posted up.
He said, the right must be more selective and the
people it welcomes into the firm the firmament. Conservatives have
been locked out of elite institutions for so long, many
will accept any celebrity that signals opposition to the left,
even a common pimp with a social media following. And
he's talking about Andrew Tate. They basically they're talking about
that Trump saying that Tate brothers and you know, my
buddy ham uh put up here. He goes, absolutely, the
right must safeguard against undesirable elements to signal right wing
but are in fact avowed enemies of the people. And
he has a picture of Bill Crystal, who is on
the board of of the Manhattan Institute, which Chris Rufo
works for. So out of one side of his mouth,
you know, he's like, we can't have a pimp be
you know, we can't be championing a pimp, even though
he just hired a porn star to write for him.
But he also he works for he's got Paul Singer
on his board, and he's got Bill Crystal and people
like that on his board. So yeah, these people are
they're slim there, they're snakes, and it's, uh, it's more
and more of I think it's one of the things
that we do with the Old Glory Club is more
and more we're only trusting people that we've actually met
in real life and pressed the flesh with, spend time with.
Speaker 1: Uh. Now, of course, there's been a lot of opposition
by the courts.
Speaker 3: UH.
Speaker 1: Various judges, federal judges are ruled Trump's uh executive orders
are unconstitutional for whatever reason. Apparently he's the treasury is
not allowed to looking to how the money spent. Uh.
Apparently there's a constitutional right to promote transgenderism, you know
in in Romania, because if you've shared on that program.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But it appears none of those rules have been over
none of those initial rules have been overruled. But if
there is a confrontation with the court here we have.
What we have is what they call it constitutional crisis.
I just call it constitutional politics, because really, uh, the
job of the executive is to interpret the Constitution as
he executes the law, the law of the job of
the Congress is to interpret the costumes as it writes
and pass legislation. And the job of the juiciary is
to interpret the counetation if it judicates disputes which really
have is concurrent review, which is really how the system
was supposed to work. But then, since you know Judge
Justice Marshall and Marvey versus Madison, it has been presumed
the Supreme Court has the soul right for judicial review
in all these disputes. Of course, it didn't really become
a big issue probably until the nineteenth century, sorry, the
twentieth century, particularly World War One. A lot of the
rulings that ratified some of the abuses of the Wood
Wilson administration and the Chris conflicts around the New Deal
with that and Nests Recovery Act. And because then we
offer the races in the fifties with Brown verse supported
education and the air of judicial activism and these things.
You know, So what would be, in your opinion, would
be a proper response by Trump to any judicial blocking
of this of his administrative agenda to get things under control.
Speaker 2: I might tweet out something like he who saves his
country does not violate any law, which is interesting. I mean,
he tweeted that on Saturday, and it's Monday, and it's
a holiday. So a lot didn't happen today. So I'm
interested to see what happens tomorrow. Like I said, you
never know what's going to happen. Especially it just seems
like in the last twenty eight days so much has
happened that Yeah, there are flooding the zone as they
say it.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we've already seen.
Speaker 2: I think the difference with this administration is is hitting
the ground running like they did. They also have lawyers.
They have teams of lawyers ready to go in there.
They've already had a couple They had a big one
reversed with getting access to allowing DOGE to have access
to multiple computer systems within the government.
Speaker 1: It true there are millions of people that are one
hundred fifty years old getting thocal security payments.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's millions. I think it's like in
the hundreds. I think it's in the hundreds from what
I saw, But it is, of course. I mean you yeah,
as soon as I heard stuff like that where it
was like, you know, people have been dead for a while,
I'm like, I remember hearing in like two thousand and
three or two thousand and four someone had said, oh,
Asama bin Laden is still getting paid by the CIA,
and I'm like, oh, I mean that might explain it, now,
who knows.
Speaker 3: But the.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think that one of two things
is going on. Well, one of three things is going
to happen. One, they're just gonna flood there, put their
people into the courts and get things reversed. Two, they're
going to ignore them and just do whatever they want
and just go full Article two and just go all
the power and authority is invested in the executive. Okay,
Well that's the way. That's the route I'm going. I mean,
that's the one I would like to see more than
any thing else. Or Three they'll just lose, and you know,
if they lose. We were talking about this on the
Old Glory Club live stream on Thursday, our friend lu
Themplar brought this up. He said, if we lose, you
know if, and when I say we, I'm talking about
like the people that would be more protected under a
Trump regime or Advance regime with free speech and you know,
being able to go on on Twitter and still keep
your job, get fired, but get rehired when you say,
you know you couldn't pay me to marry outside of
my ethnicity, like our friend Big Balls did.
Speaker 3: The If.
Speaker 2: If this all goes to crap and twenty twenty eight
rolls around and a Gavin Newsom or just another apparatic
of the old regime gets put in there, we're in trouble.
They're I mean, I'm predicting they are going to come
after us. They will, and it will be ugly. And
I kind of wonder how we avoid violence even with
what's happening now, because that's what the left is. And
I have people who have been scouring forums to see
what leftists are talking about, and they're talking about forming
militias and saying, this is what the Second Amendment was for.
We better use it for ourselves, you know, googling stuff
like how do we form a militia, which is just
genius and me. I mean, the way I look at
it is as somebody who has I wouldn't say I'm
an expert, but I would say I definitely know more,
a lot more than the average person about the Spanish
Civil War.
Speaker 3: I don't trust these.
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that you know there was a Spanish
Civil War.
Speaker 2: But you yeah, well, I mean I look at you
can even in the decade that it occurred. I know
the I know the month and year, month and year
it started to end it the I know the dates
it started an end. Actually, it's just the most important,
one of the most important.
Speaker 1: Happenings the French Revolution.
Speaker 2: It never ended, right well, basically, yeah, for the left,
it hasn't. And I look at I look at a
lot of the leftists in this country. And when I
say leftists, I'm not talking about a specific group. I'm
talking about, you know, a hodgepodge of just absolute lunatics.
I look at them as no different than the Red
Republicans and the anarchists and the libertarians and the left libertarians,
or the Spanish in the Spanish Civil War, and I
I look upon them as having the same morality, and
I look upon them as being willing to do the
same kind of violence.
Speaker 1: End mass Well, I mean, obviously the January sixth, you know,
arrests and trials, that was violence. It was done on
the color of law, but it was violence. You certainly
know of the violent if you were in a dungeon
for a year and a half, two years, three years,
and you were assaulted in prison, which many were, or
the FBA raided your house and drag out in the
middle the early morning in your underwear in front of
your family, which happened to Mark Hawk, or if the
FBI is visiting you because you're you're questioning your school
board about the curriculum promoting asodomy or d I or whatever,
or you know, or other things at your school, which
happened to a lot of parents. You know, when they
that's implied violence. When the fb I should there to intimidate,
but you're saying it could escalate once because they're going
to have to step it up. Be what you're saying
is in order to win, uh, the the enemies have
to be vanquished and dispersed, you know, and have verbally
put them against a wall.
Speaker 2: Team care right, that's the way they look at having
to the only way that they can end this. They
they're seeing this as an extent, existential threat. I mean,
you can see some of the language it's being used
by their their mouthpieces in the press. And the way
I look at it is, I mean, the only way
you stop these people is you're going.
Speaker 3: To have to stop these people.
Speaker 1: Well they're they're.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they need to be dealt with, and there's only
one way. I mean, you have options when it comes
to dealing with them, and.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a there's a.
Speaker 2: Very legal way of doing it, and then there's a
very legal way of doing it, and then there's the
chaos way of doing it. You don't want the chaos
way of doing it. Anybody who's read Last Crusade by
Warren H. Carroll knows what the chaos way is.
Speaker 1: Copy right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's one of the most I read the
whole book on my podcast is see, I think there's
one other book that I had to stop because I
was getting emotional, stop reading in the middle of recording
it because of just the.
Speaker 3: Contents of it. But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't and I guess that is if there's any
real the black pill to me is I can survive anything.
I plan on surviving anything. The black pill to me
is that these people regain power and they want revenge.
And this time it's not going to be the FBI.
It's not going to be the FBI coming to put
you in jail and you're gonna have judges laughing at you.
It's going to be the other thing. And people are
gonna say that that's hyperbolic. I know my history. I
know the French Revolution. Warren Carroll has a book, a
book on the French Revolution as well.
Speaker 3: This is not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this word the vendee did happen? Yeah, you know,
And so at least there's precedent for these things. And
they do obviously they believe in violence, and uh, they're
dedicated to their cause and and they're obsessed with power.
They've been nudged aside for the time being. But yeah,
can they Obviously they've proven they cannot be trusted with
power because not only are they terribly corrupt, is they
they also they they don't shy away from abusing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The and when you take into consideration how basically they've
turned certain groups into martyrs, you know, like trans people,
like people who are directly being targeted by by this
new h this new administration saying it up, cutting off,
cutting off funding. You're one of two genders now, you know, officially,
you're still going to have you know, you're you're still
going to have schools and state states and everything. But
according to the federal which most people who you know,
unfortunately I think that federal politics is everything when they
should be really concentrating locally. These are people they have
a groups now that they can fight in the name
of and whenever you have you know, when you have
people who can put you know, the you know, carry
the banner of a of an oppressed class, I mean
just look at I mean, we know that the the
American War, our war wasn't about slavery, but it was
the prop that was used as propaganda to make you
get professors in the in the north to join in
the fight.
Speaker 1: So Josh Lawrence Chamberlain, Yeah, they have a history of.
Speaker 2: Taking margin the marginalized and raising a flag and saying
we need to you know, and you know, when it
comes down to it, well you know what do they say?
The only the only good fascist is a dead fascist.
That fascists or you know, it's our Communists are perfectly fun.
It's perfectly fine for someone to believe in communism. But
if somebody is too right wing, then you know, we
showed how we handle them at Nuremberg. We show how
we handled them. You know, after the war, we showed
how we handle them by alleging somebody had did crimes
in Germany and then putting them on trial in Israel.
We show they showed how they they handle people who
are too right wing that you know, anyone to the
right of Joanah Goldberg. No, you're not gonna that. That's
too much for them, that's too much for them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, you know, need to be prepared for this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. People don't realize when you say, well, you
have to fight you know, Nazis or fascists, you realize
they consider you a Nazi and a fascist because you
don't want to chop your son's penis off or cut
your daughter's breast off.
Speaker 2: No, but you're denying, you're you're you're denying who they are.
You're telling them that they don't exist. That's what they have,
that's what they say, that's what they honestly say. They
if people have I know, it's very hard to listen
to these people because they're they're ridiculous, and even if
you're listening to them, you dismiss them as ridiculous, but
sometimes sit down and listen to what they're actually saying.
Speaker 3: Take it in.
Speaker 2: You don't have to take it seriously. You just have
to understand it. You just have to understand what they're
saying and the consequences of belief.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that Donald Trump has stopped using the term
leftists and calls them lunatics. Well, I mean, which is
a good way to you know, it's either you know,
you're the sane versus the lunatics, right, they're the insane,
the same versus the insane. And obviously the past few
years and things have gotten so bizarre with the transgender
agenda and the idea of identity policies going as far
as it did, uh did? They just went too far?
And it's like, no one can you said, you know,
can take this seriously. But they are very serious about
promoting it. I mean, it's look at all the funding.
Look at all the money that USA was devoted to this,
Look at all the the federal programs, Look at Letitia
James in New York assuing UH in federal court. I
think to stop they cutting off of funds to the
hospital up there or the order rather to cease all
you know what they call gender affirming care. And you
have these wackos turn out most of the women by
the way, protesting. You know, you have the idiot. Was
there Cynthia Nixon, the actress who said that I have
a son whose transgender, I have a nephew who's transgender,
and an east who's transgender.
Speaker 3: What are the odds that?
Speaker 1: Does that tell you something?
Speaker 2: It's like, what are the what are the odds that
you would have that? What are the odds that the
actress Megan Fox all of her kids are trans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a clear obvioice. It's a social contagent promoted
by opponent, by the higher ups, you know, the Pritzkers,
the governor of Illinois, you know, who would be great
sat hat to see his fat ass arrested, you know,
and Trump again when Trumps he's locking horns with the
courts over the border or funding UH. You know, basically
he can make the argument he's he's defending the national security,
he's defending the country at this point, especially when it
comes like the border. She was just clear, depends how
you want to spend it. But if the border is
being overrun, he has he is a duty. He would
have a duty to ignore the courts, to bypass all
to defend the border. He can make that case, you know,
and arrest anybody who's like a governor or a mayor
who's involved in promoting sanctuary cities and these things. Right now,
it's the cutting off of funding. I think Pam bondi
uh suggested that people might be arrested. The Attorney general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think didn't let Titia James and the other
guy up there there. They've been barred from federal buildings
or something like that. Oh really, yeah, I heard there
was something came down saying they couldn't go into federal
buildings or they'd be arrested.
Speaker 1: Did she break down into a Negro spiritual? That's another thing,
you see, right the performance, the performative aspect of it all.
They still don't they can invoke the vokes Selma you
know Alabama or you know the bridge and was the
bridge they invoked the civil rights.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well the.
Speaker 1: About what was the name of the bridge there? Oh?
Speaker 3: I can't remember. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I know where you're talking, I know where you're talking about.
I can see it in my mind, I just can't
remember the name. Yeah, you were talking about how it's
basically a social contagion, and you know, I think back
to I've heard Scott Adams say a couple of times that. Okay,
so even if you, even if you don't like Israelis,
and you don't like Israel, you have to understand that Gaza,
like the people in Gaza, they've been trained from an
early age to hate them, to hate these people. So
even if you if you're trying to find a solution
that doesn't include like taking into consideration people's mental health,
then what what. Okay, we're gonna get rid of We're gonna,
we're gonna we're gonna send them to another country. Okay,
but they still hate. There's still hate there. You're you're gonna,
you know, we'll make it a two state solution. Okay,
there's still hate there. What do you do now? If
it wasn't if if a certain group didn't have, you know,
so much control over this country, I wouldn't even care
about something like that. The reason I bring that up
is let's bring it here. What do you do with
these people? These people are mentally ill?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Academic agent Nima Parvini came up with this phrase a
couple of years ago where he said, you know, we
can't call ourselves far right. We have to call ourselves
sensible centrists. He goes, because what we believe is sensible.
They're the crazy ones. And I, you know, I wasn't.
I dismissed it at that time, but it really does.
And even if you don't like it, it makes sense
when you think about it. Nothing, nothing you or I
believe is radical. It's actually normal.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was actually as you know, Evela said before the
French Revolution, it was what any well born man believed.
And you know, now it is considered to be radical,
and they consider it to be more radical than well,
I'm going to transition my child at the age of
like three four, you know, five years old. My child
knew they were a different gender when they were four
years old. But you know, big balls, he's probably nineteen
years old. He can't work in the he can't work
in the government, even though he's like this you know savant,
this computer savant. But that's just you know, saying, you
know what if the roles were reversed in calling out
their hypocrisy. But this is a this is a contagion,
This is a mental illness on the part of people
who are very unstable. How do you deal with that.
It's the same thing as people who the Israelis and
the Gobsans who hate each other, who want to kill
each other. Well, I the problem is in this country
is I don't wake up every morning thinking about killing people.
I don't wake up in every morning thinking radical thoughts.
I think rather normal thoughts. But there's this other group
over there who hates my normal thoughts. And they they
their ideas and their beliefs are so insane and so
out of line and so dangerous that when you think
about them, you're like, man, there may be only one
way to deal with this, And then it takes you.
You have to check yourself to make sure that you
don't turn into them, you don't become so possessed with it.
But you also have to resign yourself to the fact
that this is the enemy. And if somebody else doesn't
take care of them, if this regime that's taken charge
now doesn't find a way to deal with them once
and for all. We're just going to be dealing with
them in the future. And what do you how do
we do that?
Speaker 1: If you were to capture an image of me right now,
sitting at my desk behind me, you would not see
a piece of paper charting the decline of the Jewish
population in America. You know what I'm referring to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, potsak Is Potoc Mark Pottoc.
Speaker 1: Southern popul Law Center at the time was working liaising
with the FBI. That shows just how the psychosis know
how crazy and and he just presumes this is normal
to work to the decline of the ethnic white population
of the United States. He's working to do that, and
he's working with federal agencies to achieve this.
Speaker 2: And it's not only normal, It's not only normal, it's necessary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to just you know, whiteness is oppression. Therefore you
have to destroy pression. You have to destroy whiteness. That's no,
not you. He was a tangent professor, was it Harvard? Harvard?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I haven't looked up his background.
Speaker 1: You but anyway, he in christ then.
Speaker 3: He oh, oh, noel Nazi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Harvard, he was tenured, and he said that
you must destroy white. Now. To destroy whiteness, you have
to destroy the culture, the identity of ethnic whites. The
first step for doing that was basically was was reducing
him to being white by the way, you know.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Going after the I read a quote Oliver Cromwell and
he was frustrated with the Irish because they just simply
wouldn't die and not fast enough, and says, you can't
change these people because the moment, the more pressure you
put on them, the more they pray to their God
and their rosaries.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing they did that the number on us.
They denied so many Americans uh, an ethnic religious, ethnic
identity and left them very vulnerable to the corruption that
all America has to offer. And it's just funny because
Donald Trump, in many ways, as a flawed vessel as
he is, is sort of h he embodies he's he is.
His tumultuous career is symptomatic of a problem with the
American identity itself. The the mass psychosists that you were
illustrating there, explaining there it's so many crazy people, and
anybody create millions legions of crazy people, deluded, really broken
from reality. They are simply the uh, the desrotum of
the victims of modernity itself. And so now we're getting
so that the the that's the problem. It's not just
a We're dealing with a deeply spiritual question here how
it's gonna and we're I think we're seeing how it's
playing out politically, you know, and it's gonna be very
imperfect politics. I mean, I like my theology to be perfect.
My politics I'm unmature, if realized, my politics can't be perfect.
And I think we're seeing that play out in the
Trump administration, the secondministration, where we're seeing these conflicts with
the you know, the administrative stake going after the USAID,
these parent administrative actions regarding immigration, exposing corruption the Pentagon
talking about reducing the Pentagon munch of by fifty percent.
That gets a shot, all right.
Speaker 2: And that not only gets that not only gets your shot,
it gets your family threat.
Speaker 3: Yes, it gets yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean the I remember somebody on Twitter back in I
think it was December of twenty twenty three, they had
announced Buck Kelly had gotten re elected in El Salvador,
and he was there was a picture of him with
his family and somebody retweeted the picture of him with
his family and said, right now in the Pentagon, there
are people looking at this picture dreaming about killing every.
Speaker 3: One of them.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's who we're dealing with, that's who.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, these are people with power and they
have the and they control these roving bands of lunatics
on the street who kill people.
Speaker 1: Or it turns out in the USAID we're looking the
funding all that twenty twenty nonsense.
Speaker 2: Yep, Oh it's gonna go. But if they ever open
the books on USAID and show everything, you're going to
see it go back decades. You're gonna see it go back.
You're gonna the stuff that we've forgotten. S him at
our age, we're the same age, the stuff that we've forgotten.
U s a ID was responsible for.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, and all that violence. The media coverage, however,
spun all that USA I D was responsible for, and
they fed it through various l LLC's. It's the money.
Launing operations is what you do when you're when you're
smuggling drugs and trying to launder the money. You know,
but you know a forensic investigation will expose it. And
I think it is the problem is once they expose
it to you, these are crimes against the state, crimes
against the American people, and they can can continue to
be There's got to be some accountability.
Speaker 2: For it, and it's going to be hard to find
a lot of it because I mean, let's face it,
money is fungible.
Speaker 3: Data.
Speaker 2: Republican on Sweater has a search engine where you can
search basically all nonprofits and nonprofits, grants, NGOs, things like that,
and you have to be careful with it, like I
used to be a part of a nonprofit and it
shows up on there. Ya, I know for and I
know for a fact that what we've aren't I know
who was financing us if it wasn't USAIB. It was
like one person was financing us like ninety nine percent
and the other was just from small donations.
Speaker 1: Two hundred eighteen dollars and thirty seven cents I get
on substack is from usaid.
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to find out. So yeah, I mean,
but you once they start going through there and you
start seeing, okay, well sure there are some names there
that you wonder, it says, because it'll break it down
and it'll say, okay, this is how much person makes,
how much came from taxpayer funds, how much came from
grants and taxpayer it'll say zero. Wonder about that because,
like I said, money's fungible. It can go through so
it can pass through fifteen different fifteen different proxies before
it hits whoever it hits, and it looks like it
came from you know, a private individual in the end.
And we know now we know that there were there
were news outlets that were getting paid to do this.
And I mean news outlets get paid to promote things openly.
I mean if you watch Meet the Press or any
of the Sunday morning things, you'll see like commercials for Boeing. Okay,
who's who's watching? Meat the Press is either in the
you know, when I watch it, I'm not thinking I
need to buy a you know, a seven thirty seven. Well,
definitely don't want to buy a seven thirty seven. And
I don't want to buy missiles. So who is as four?
Oh oh? And what about the pharma ads? Who are
these all these pharma ads for? Oh oh? This is
to pay off the news stations so they don't report
on these things, so they don't talk about the military
industrial complex, or when they do talk about the military
and industrial complex. Rand Paul brings it up and Wolf
Blitzer goes, do you know how many people would lose
their jobs if you, you know, if we if we
started closing, if we started addressing this subject.
Speaker 1: Senator, did you see the stocks drop on Lucky Martin
and when Trump floided that idea of cutting the budget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that always, I mean, it's always going to happen.
And you know, I don't know what the I've I've
only been paying attention to a very narrow set of
stocks that you know, I'm looking at like forward, forward
looking stocks. I'm not looking at stuff that that really
exists right now. But I'm I don't know what pharma
stocks did when when RFK Junior got was confirmed. But
I would think that if RFK Junior does what he
says he's going to do, if he does seventy five percent,
he does half of what he says he's going to do,
Farmer is going to take a massive hit. And you know,
I'm here for it. I'm looking forward to it. Might
even short some stocks in order, you know, when the
time comes.
Speaker 1: But when you're trying to reform a system as bad
as our as crupt is economic system, political system, the
GDP is going to catch to take a hit. I mean,
you're not going to get growth because you're we haven't
been getting growth. Really, we've gotten statistical growth. But obviously
if you look at how the wealth's been distributed, the
concentration of wealth, and then by that the custration of
power in our society, it's obviously gone in the wrong direction.
It simply doesn't support the of America being a democratic, memocratic,
you know, broad middle class society. It's become an oligarchic,
top heavy system, which are which is inherently unstable.
Speaker 2: Sure, and some people can say, you know, with having
a musk at the head of this, no one has
benefited from it more than him, you know, with contracts
and things like that. And sure, I mean, all.
Speaker 1: Well, who's going to talk who's gonna be effective? Uh,
you know, some employee at some working some cubicle, or
some owner of a small business. Notes gonna have to
be influential, powerful people that deal with this.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get a storming of the Winter Palace, right,
You're not going to get that didn't happen anyway, right,
that was just a bolsh of a propaganda film. Uh.
You show these grand uh gestures if you will the revolution.
That's looking at some of the black pillars out there
because they're not getting the revolution. Everything is controlled and
it doesn't mean anything. And they're saying, sure, you get
a little of what you want here. Things may get
better here, they may prolong it a little bit by
another centuries as well. Isn't that politics?
Speaker 3: That's politics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's politics, I mean, and this side of paradise
you don't get that. I mean, just they're not living
in reality. At some point.
Speaker 2: It was you know, one of the reasons I stopped
being a libertarian and talking about libertarianism and actually started
going after it is because of the purity spiraling is
there was the perfect. The perfect was always the enemy
of the good. And you know, then I come on over,
you know, to this side of things, and I realized
that it's the same thing over here. And when you
have an ideology, I mean, there's no ideology, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: It's power.
Speaker 2: You have personal ideology that you live your life by,
but it's just power, and it's defeating your enemies and
That's that's all it is, is rewarding your friends. And
you know what do they say, liberty for my friends,
the law for my enemies. That's what that's what it is.
That's that's all you can hope for. You're not going
to ever get your perfect little thing. It just isn't
going to happen. We're not perfect people. You're not I'm
not a perfect person. And then if you get together
with if I get together with a whole bunch of
other people, now there's what fifteen imperfect people. Things are
not going to go well. And if we expect things
to be perfect, then we're just going to be warring
and at each other's throats. Oh am, I describing social
media at all, where it's like, you know, well, you
don't talk about the Jews enough, really, I don't. I
don't me You're you're talking about me? Oh okay, well
why because I'm I realize that that with Trump in office,
Jews are going to there. You know, there are certain
factions of Jewish power that are going to get their way.
It's just that anyone who was in there, that was
going to happen because our guys aren't getting elected because
you know, it doesn't seem like we can ever get
one of our guys to run for office without them
spurging out and saying stupid ship or carrying tiki torches.
I mean really, yeah, look, I know I'm never going
to go elected. I've said stuff. There's there's hours and
hours of me spewing, you know, spewing things that make
me unelectable. I'm never going to get elected to anything.
Maybe locally because they like me, you know, my neighbors
like me.
Speaker 1: Precinct, certain precinct in Idaho or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, if you think you're going to
get elected by you know, going out there and just
call you screaming, screaming about the Jews and calling everybody
who disagrees with you with jew, I'm sorry, you're just
a sperg.
Speaker 3: And there there's there's a they.
Speaker 1: Don't call you Jew, they say you just work for them.
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you have that JD Vance speech at Munich, right,
and then you have.
Speaker 2: Trump Tim Tim Tim, he's married to an Indian, He's
friends with Peter Teal.
Speaker 1: Come on, Andy, where's eyeliner?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you know when he was in college
he wants he wants like put on drag at like
a party. Oh no, yeah, everyone who comes at me
with like the Jdvan stuff, I'm going, okay, can you
show me something you disagree with?
Speaker 3: Since he's become a Catholic.
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen. It's all fake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's just he's playing.
Speaker 1: Is he playing a political game?
Speaker 2: Teal hasn't Peter Teel has him playing Peter Joel. Of
course he's playing a political game. You have to play
a political game, you can't get elected.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that speech now when he talks about
such a ship and you know, immigration in Europe and
calling out the all these bureaucrats and politicians who he said,
you're treating your people like the enemy. Your problem, Your
threat isn't Russia. He's pretty much said, it's the governments
in Western Europe. Now he didn't go on and talk
about all the frienship United States, which is carried out
a little differently. I understand that. And you also, you
have Trump. It's like you were thinking, was a Ramsey Paul.
He said, you have Trump, who's literally Hitler meeting with
proposing to meet with Pewton, who's literally Hitler. What happens
when Hitler at pieces Hitler mind blowing.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's just I mean, that's that's what
it That's all it is now is okay, well, we're
just gonna well it's not working. It's not working. And
it almost if you wanted to interpret that and interpret
that another way, it's like, well, we're dealing we have
tons of problems in the United States and we're trying
to work them out. It's not gonna be perfect, or
we're trying to work them out.
Speaker 1: Did you got a interview about that, No, I didn't.
Very Now Steve Bannon obviously a flawed character, but he
was talking about the Trump that you have this agenda.
What's this agenda? He said that basically, the Trump administration
is trying to organize what they call hem hemispherism, which
is going back to Monroe Doctrine fhears of influence making,
you know, basically working it out with China, extricate United
States from Europe, working out with Russia, and dealing with
our hemisphere and all. Of course what that involves against
the reassuring sort of building up a tariff system, getting
rid of maybe income tax. This is revolutionary stuff, but
you know this is and he's saying this is. And
you see Mark Ruby talking about something now MARKT Ruby
to rest. It's kind of a laughable character. Then he
stepped as a senator because he's just as near con stooge, right,
or Jewish stooge. Then he steps in the position of
Secretary State and he's making sense about Ukraine not getting
in the Native This is crazy. He's making cogent remarks
that makes sense the same thing with peak Ake Seth. Right,
he's just lunatic Zionists who wants to build the Third
Temple and bring on the Antichrist. But all of a
sudden he gets in this position and he's carrying out
these sensible forms in the In the Pentagon, there was
an interview I think you with Tucker Carlson and this
guy was he had to from the American Conservative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the American Conservative. Oh god, I can't remember his
name right now.
Speaker 1: Mills, yeah, Kurt Mills.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually I followed him on Twitter and actually followed me back.
I wonder if he has unfollowed since then.
Speaker 1: But he was talking about if you look at the
people at Haig Seth and some of these people surround
themselves and they're very skeptical. Oh one thing, very skeptical
of of of Israel and Zionists and all that, and
so some he was suggesting that despite hakes Us sort
of lunatic remarks regarding the Third Temple, is that he's
had sort of a change of heart about some of
these things in the past few years, which was promising
because it's kind of like, uh, you have to realize
some of these people when they put in these slots,
they're human beings and they do have changes. They do
their their views do change. They're not just cogs.
Speaker 2: Even billionaires. Yeah, we've seen billionaires change. Now people can say, well,
that's just in their self interest. Okay, does it their
self interest at all align with yours? Maybe a little bit,
is it? I mean, would you rather if they if
their aligns with ours a little bit? I mean, was
the old regime, the Biden regime, the Kamala Harris regime,
was there any hope? Oh no, but you know, if
if we if we you know, like we were celebrating
the j six people getting out of jail, being let
out of jail and being pardon and people are like, well, no,
it's better to keep them in there because you know,
you know, look what happened when Hitler went to jail.
I'm like, when Hitler went to jail, he became de
radicalized and realized. He de radicalized in the sense that
he realized, I have to do this legitimately, and I
have to get elected.
Speaker 1: I have to be appointed to something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you think, you think boomers. First of all,
this is basically populism, which doesn't work. It's always elites, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, right, he went from the beer hap puts storming
the barricades. If you will get arrested, Oh, I have
to put on a coat and tie and play the
political game. You're right, yes, yeah, So by the way,
I make that observation with that, Yeah, I'm not warning
making a warning him history that you know that that
Trump is Hitler, Like, I'm just making the observation. In
order to carry out whatever reforms he deemed necessary in
a response to the turmoil of Weimar Germany, he had
to pursue legitimate political path to power, which he did
pursue and he did achieve. By the way, so.
Speaker 2: Correct, and that's the only way, that's the only way
it's going to happen. So you know, one of those
one of the things that you know, drove me, Like
I was saying before, one of the things that drove
me crazy was, you know, I left libertarianism because it
was just this whole purity spiral. And then I get
over here and it's just over to wherever I am
and the people who listen to me, and not all
of them. I mean, as a matter of fact, you
overwhelming majority or actually really good people who want to
hear logical, realistic, real politique. But then you just have
people who are like, well, I can't deal with real
politique because Jews still exist.
Speaker 1: And they always will until they convert, you know. But
then that's theology. My theology is my politics is practical,
and it's I need to practice discretion and prudence to
somehow bridge the two. And that's where you have to
be an adult. And then also prey daily. That's yeah,
I mean, that's.
Speaker 2: Rosary a day will really start setting you straight.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you keep I mean, and so you know,
well it's good that they're in prison. We'll speak for yourself. Yeah,
well it's not.
Speaker 3: The person who said The person who says that has
no one. If you say that, you have no one.
Speaker 1: The same thing with the explorationist, right yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, well, you know, I would love to
see the government just just fall. Okay, are you ready
to take care of your grandparents and your great grandparents?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Well, you know we're gonna have bitcoin? Oh are you
or we're gonna you know, I want everybody's gonna want
to be a national socialist. If the government just fell
apart tomorrow, everybody's gonna want to be a national socialist.
Speaker 1: I want the system to collapse, utterly, collapse, utter anarchy,
and make sure that my mother in law and fall,
our father in laws have their pensions so I don't
have to take care of.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It goes back to make it through, just think it through.
Speaker 2: I mean, it goes back to Patrick Deneen talking about
when people, you know, people say there was no liberty
before you know, the Enlightenment, or it's like, no, there was,
it was, but but it had had more to deal
with responsibility. What the Enlightenment did was it destroyed the
idea of liberty being tied to responsibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, duties and rights, right, rights and duties right exactly, Yeah, No,
best abilise all the responsibilities and idea that there was
a god looking at you, so you better do. We're
looking everything. So yeah, I mean so I said it
happier an hour, so I'm not going to keep any longer.
I think kind of recovered it. We didn't get kind
of a sense of your idea. What was going on
in the first twenty eight days of the the Trump administration,
which has been more encouraging and certainly more interesting than
that I think most expected, which is probably upsetting a
lot of people because they don't know how to you know,
who wants to have their paradigm smashed? You know, whether it's.
Speaker 2: Some people well, I mean also some people are so
used to losing they can't win. They won't take a win,
or they won't be able to recon Let's let's put
it this way, they won't be able to recognize a win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that thing that where trump uh administration actually
said something cut off aid to South Africa because of
his treatment of the white South Africans. I think they've
referred to a certain class or group of people. Didn't
say whites space if you knew what they were talking about,
the particularly the farmers. What's going on there? The cutting
off aid of South africas of the violation of people's
civil liberties there and then of course what's listed one
of the reasons South Africa's criticism of Israel that some
people say, well, there you go, it's completely illegitimate because
they had they had to mention Israel.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I mean if if whites in South
Africa are benefit by I don't know. Yeah, I was
saying recently that somebody with a whole bunch of money
could hire like like they did in sie ear leone
exec you know, they hired executive outcomeing and executive outcome
went in there and just like demolished the lunatics. That
could happen. We'll get somebody could do that. You know,
we have people who are I've been talking about this
a lot lately, trying to mention as much as possible.
You know, the left funds and gives money and patronage
networks to their to their radicals, and the right. People
on the right cancel theirs, you know, so you there
are people who could fund privately, I'll sound like a
libertarian for five seconds, privately fund solving that problem.
Speaker 1: In South Africa. Letters of marketan reprisal be.
Speaker 2: So beautiful wouldn't nice some nice Heinz helicopters coming in there,
just like in Sierra Leone, Eric.
Speaker 1: Prince, are you listening, you can get that. Yeah, get well,
like twelve hundred committed mercens you ruined this clear government there.
Speaker 3: Oh they've done they've done it before.
Speaker 1: Uh well obviously in USA and of course we started
a discussion at USA. They boast there they were pivotal
in bringing down the aparthe regime in South Africa. Yeah
that's so you're welcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we.
Speaker 1: Just move on. That's progressive. They just move on, don't
look back, right, the consequences destruction that they they reap
and then they move on, say you're welcome and just
move on. It never ends.
Speaker 2: Chaos is just chaos, is just another opportunity for people
to say that they need them for something.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So well, Pete, I'm gonna let you go.
I know you have something else to do tonight. So one,
thank you coming back on the show.
Speaker 2: Well I appreciate it. Tim anytime, and have you on
again soon.
Speaker 1: Good Yeah, just send me note so we can work
something out. Take it easy, take care, thank you, good night,
by bye,