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Speaker 3: Acted Nan, All right, look at that. So this will

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be a little different than normal. It's not an interview,

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it's not a live stream, just a monologue, right me

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and you. Now there's two reasons for that. One, I

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haven't done one of these in a while. I thought

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it'd be fun. And two, Uh, let's be honest. The

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more important one is that, Uh, I'm in kind of

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a content behind all right. I have a whole bunch

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of things scheduled, but nothing that meets this deadline. And

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the interview was supposed to come out today Thomas and

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I talking about the West Memphis three with a first

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hand source. Uh didn't work out. The guy, as the

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kids say, crashed out, quit kind of lost. It won't

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get into that perhaps best left unsaid. So I needed

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something to do, and I figured we'd bring back an

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old staple, the Jay Burtons Show article reading streams or podcasts.

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I guess because this isn't going out live. This article

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and I'm going to read for you is actually cited

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in a piece that I have written coming out tomorrow

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with my friends at Juneto or huntil I'm not entirely sure.

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An outlet on substack started by some friends with mine,

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and I might add, actually, by the way, in addition

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to their substack, which is quite good, they also have

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a really fascinating intel tab. This is not the point

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of the stream It's just something that I was showing

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me where effectively you can find all sorts of interesting

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things like a campaign finance tracker, networking map, can wright

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wing talent network. Not for jobs, of course, but just

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track different people and their institutional affiliations. Even if you're

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not a conservative per se, there's a lot you can

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glean from there. Right, It's fascinating information, and the network's

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growing rapidly. They didn't pay me to say that. I

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just think it's kind of neat. So if you're interested,

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check that out. In addition to my article which cites

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this piece, the one that we're going to be going over,

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it's a part of that argument, not the whole thing,

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but this article written in New York Magazine by Brooks

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what's his last name or first name rather, by Dan Brooks,

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going over the recent DJ release of the Epstein files. Right.

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And the reason I'm reading this is partially because, look,

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I got a slot I need to fill, but also

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because it's a really interesting argument. You see it come

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up again and again from these sort of professional managerial types. Right.

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Brooks may not be smart enough to express it well,

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but he is smart enough to pick up on a

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trend to pick up on the direction the winds are blowing,

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so also somewhat interestingly, initially this article was titled Pizzagate

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Wasn't real right? They changed it. I thought that name

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was a lot better the new one. Jeffrey Epstein loved

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sex trafficking pizza did. The newly released documents lend support

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to the old Pizzagate conspiracy way worse title. The first

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one was great. The latest tranch of documents released by

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the Department of Justice related to its investigation of Jeffrey

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Epstein contains four hundred and eighty two occurrences of the

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word pizza, which seems like a lot. By comparison, the

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word Hamburger appears only one hundred and ninety tens, while

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the phrase sex with children appears twenty times, including in

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some kind of tract sent to the FBI with the

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impenetrable title sex Collectors, Halet, Tony Blair, Cullen, Gordon Brown,

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British Intelligence I six MI five Dunblane Pedophiles, nWo Illuminati Freemasons,

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as well as in this photograph Epstein's brother Mark provided

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the Agency in twenty twenty. For those this is a

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photo of a flip phone from Mark Epstein, which says

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five twenty nine are five twenty four excuse me, you

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have a good family. Do they know if you had

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sex with children you will die? And then a link.

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These two artifacts represent two ends of the evidentiary spectrum.

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A seemingly explicit indication that somebody was abusing kids and

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getting blackmailed and threatened for it, and a dispatch from

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the most fevered corner of the conspiracy minded Internet. You

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would think the conspiracists would be thrilled by the blackmail stuff,

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but for the time being, they have focused their attention

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on the pizza. I'm just going to go through this

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intro and then once we get into actual meat of it,

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get my analysis. Admittedly, some of the pizza related material

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seems pretty weird. An April twenty eighteen message from a

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redacted sender says, let's go for pizza and grape soda again.

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No one can understand go kN oh cryptic. Some of

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it is scrutable. Go no k and o appears to

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be a rendering of go no, an English derivative of

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the Yiddish express gay vase ge. I'm sorry, I don't

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understand the Star Wars language, which is roughly equivalent to

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go figure. The claim that no one else can understand,

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on the other hand, is a creepy element that echoes

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Donald Trump's allusion to the Wonderful Secrets and his infamous

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letter on the occasion of Epstein's fiftieth birthday. This combination

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is the essence of the latest cash some question. Some

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questions yield to research. Others are stubborn but tantalize, inviting

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readers to fill in the blanks with what they could

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not possibly know. Pizza and grape soda blombe to the

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latter category and appears frequently in Epstein's emails and texts.

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In a twenty eighteen exchange with his zerologist Harry Fish,

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who erroneously appears in Epstein's context as Harry phish Fish,

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the two seem to discuss refilling Epstein's prescription for a

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rectile dysfunction medication. Phish later texts, after you use them,

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wash your hands, and lets go get pizza and grape soda.

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This proposal seems odd. There are many things you can

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do after your viagra kicks in, and getting a slice

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with your doctor is not near the top of the list.

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In another context, it might just be funny. But the

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confluence of pizza and grape soda with Epstein, a man

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increasingly known for exactly one thing, and boner pills is

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enough to drive a reasonable person to conjecture. Remember when

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only unreasonable people thought like this? The idea that pizza

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could be a code word for illicit sexual activities was

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laughable in twenty sixteen, when the so called pizza Gate

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conspiracy captured the imagination of what charitably might be called

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the internet's most enthusiastic use users. The theory, which emerged

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after wiki Leak's publicly released the personal emails of Hillary

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for America campaign chair John Podesta, hinged on the belief

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that references to pizza were code for children used for sex.

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From that bedrock assumption, Pizzagate theorist concluded that the Clintons

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and other powerful Democrats were satanic pedophiles operating an abuse

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in cannibalism, ring from various restaurants in the Washington, DC area.

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Why else with the staff of presidential campaign talk about

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ordering a pizza. Even the theory's most ardent believers lost confidence. However,

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after a man named Edgar Madison Welch brought a rifle

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to one of the restaurants, Comet Pizza, and demanded to

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see the children being held in its basement. Comet Pizza

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had no basement, and Welsh eventually surrendered to police. In

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January twenty twenty five, he was shot and killed during

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an unrelated traffic stop in North Carolina. I prefer not

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to comment on this turn of events. Okay, so several

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things here. One, I'm not like Pizzagate guy, but this

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is a really interesting timeline because he's partially and he

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also does some false equivalency here, so he is correct.

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Pizza Gate happened months like roughly three or four months

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before QAnon, which is probably what you're thinking of when

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you hear the term pizzagate, and it came from, as

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he said, the John Podesta emails. Now, the first part,

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you know, the idea that this restaurant and others were

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being used for child sex trafficking, is part of kind

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of the og, the first strain of pizza Gate. But

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all the other stuff, the Democrats, the the crazy stuff

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about Hillary Clinton, that's QAnon. And I have long contended

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that QAnon is a massive op. Right, just look at

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the kind of similarities to what the the Communists were

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doing to the white Russians, right, the propaganda they were

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doing during Russian Civil War. Well, sure, some of it

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was throw down your arms and surrender, but a large

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portion of it was effectively, everything is fine, the Communists

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are being destroyed. You don't have to do anything. QAnon

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obviously has a very similar character to it, right, the

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idea that there is the shadowy force in the US government,

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that patriots are in control, that so many of these

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hated figures for the followers of q have been arrested, tried,

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and executed in Guantanamo Bank, This is a really interesting

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equivalence one you see often. Now he mentions it. The

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framing on this is slightly changed because for a long time,

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almost a decade, Pizzagate, the widely debunked conspiracy theory, was

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sort of the the the prime example for the regime

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of why conspiracy theories are dangerous, because it resulted in

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this mass shooting. Now he mentions it, of course that welch,

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this guy brought a rifle into comment pizza. So I'm

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not going to get into this. Like I said, the

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point of this is not to be a pizza Gate video.

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What it is to go over the reaction to it. Right,

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this is sort of an inciting incident, but it's worth

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saying nonetheless, So a couple things. One, it's not a

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mass shooting. He didn't shoot anyone. He fired one bullet

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and that bullet went through the door of the maintenance closet.

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He was attempting to rescue children from into the four

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hundred thousand dollars server rack in a pizza place, destroying

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the hard drive. Just things that normal pizza places have.

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If you're curious, if you want to watch security cam

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footage of the attack, you can't because every single one

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of them was turned around on that day, which is weird.

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Now Brooks is actually correct, I don't have a smoking gun.

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shot and killed. You know, he seemed to be sort

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of an unstable individual. I don't necessarily want to comment

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on that, but it's a weird thing to have happened.

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if not more incriminating. My friend Daryl Cooper Martyer made

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did an excellent series digging into the Podesta emails highly

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recommend checking that out. There's a lot there, I'll put it.

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I'll put it that way, go into his art collection

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his associations. Point is the idea that this is simply

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some sort of conflagration of like QAnon and like Retardo

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conspiracy theory is it's like, well, sure that exists, but

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that's not all of it. And it is very convenient

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QAnon exists because it forms a great straw man. You

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don't actually have to address real meaningful criticism inconsistencies. You

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can just say, well, those people believe JFK is going

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to resurrect from the grave and appear it in Rockefeller Plaza,

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they're transparently stupid. Anyway, back to the article, because we

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have we have a lot to go. At the time,

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the assumption that pizza was code for sex with children

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seemed obviously arbitrary and extravagant, a violation of the principle

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that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. This

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heuristic octims razor, which, by the way, progressives are very

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tactical in their invocation of Oham's razor. One may may

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think of systematic racism or either glass ceiling or the

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patriarchy as sort of wonderful examples of this where the

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most simple explanation is completely and totally inappropriate. Back to

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the narrative, This heuristic Ocome's is often a handy way

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to differentiate ideas and people we should take seriously from

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ones we can safely dismiss. People who are frustrated that

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they've misplaced the keys tend to be more credible than

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those who think their keys have been stolen. Except with

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the Epstein pizza thing that somebody stole my keys contingent

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seems to have been suddenly and disastrously vindicated. As of

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February twelfth, a Reddit post titled pizza code words littered

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in Epstein files has gotten twelve thousand upduts and eighteen

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thousand comments, many of which center on the idea that

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the Pizzagate conspiracy has been proved basically correct, even if

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it got some of the specific th wrong. One commenter wrote,

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I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with the

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original conspiracy to take attention away from the places where

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it was actually happening. And William of Oakham rotates in

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his grave like rotisserie chicken, so several things there, right, Look,

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I have no great lover of Reddit for any number

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of reasons. But okay, surely you know, as open minded

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progressives as liberal defenders. Fourth Doxy, we should at least

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hear this out. Are we going to hear this argument out?

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Dear listener, I think you know the answer. One must

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keep a level head. Even though these recent Epstein materials

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do make the financi here seem strangely interested in pizza

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and unusually committed to having it delivered to other people.

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Pizza to Bobby, appear to be an automated calendar reminder.

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The Bobby in question here is comedian Bobby Slayton, the

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subject of pizza reminders on consecutive days in twenty seventeen.

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Another message to an unnamed recipient goes into detail about

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how this pizza should be procured. Artures opens at four pm.

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Be there when they open and order the pizza then

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delivered to three oh one. The message reads. The numeral

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three oh one refers to Epstein's townhouse at three oh

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one sixty six Street, where Slayton appears to have been

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staying at the time, These instructions seem too specific and

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mundane to be about anything but the actual pizza. Similarly,

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this message, which acts a redacted recipient to pick up

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pizza from Patsy's on West seventy fourth Street and then,

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in a change that should annoy anyone who has ever

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worked as an assistant for the first Avenue and one

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one hundred and eighteenth Street locations said looks too detailed

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to be coated. To read it as a cipher, you

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would have to assume that Patsi's does not refer to

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one of the better pies in the city, but rather

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to a specific type of illicit activity available at two

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locations where actual Patsy's Pizzeri's happened to be. Okay, sure,

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these specific instances, it's probably correct, but there's a lot

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more there, right, you have in these files Epstein's assistant

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referring to a sixty thousand dollars pizza room in his

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renovated apartment. That's kind of weird. I mean, look, man, like,

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you know, I like a deep dish pie as much

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as the next guy, and I get it. Sixty thousand

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dollars is a lot less of a thing for Epstein

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than it is for me. But uh, I don't know, man,

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that seems a little bit odd. You have other references to,

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you know, renting a pizza. I don't know how one

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would do that. And look like my conclusion is not

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particularly I am mister pizzagate. I believe it. But this article,

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as we will get into, is clearly a disingenuous reading.

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The point of this article is not the title. The

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point of this article is not to examine the claims made.

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The point of this article is to effectively refocus the

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angst of the progressive reading this away from this uncomfortable truth,

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this uncomfortable thought that maybe the chuds were onto something

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and onto their real target, which, let's be honest, is

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those chuts. Yet Otkham's razor has comparatively little to tell

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us about grape soda. Fish and Epstein refer to pizza

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and grape soda so often and so often together, seemingly

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never just grape soda and rarely just pizza, that the

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whole thing starts to look like a shibbalthe I'm gonna

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leave that there. On March thirty first, twenty eighteen, Fish

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texts pizza, grape soda, naf said, a little more than

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half an hour later, Epstein replies, go no, the same

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expression and expression with which he answered the no one

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else can understand message, also about pizza and grape soda.

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There the exchange ends, leaving the reader to guess what

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happened next. The mystery deepens when you notice Fish often

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follows references to pizza and grape soda with emoji depicting

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an African American, at least four times that I noticed.

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On May twenty fourth, Fish texted Epstein to suggest they

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try the pop tarts at Greenberg's Bakery, meaning William Greenberg Desserts.

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Epstein textbacks June fourth, and Fish responds, first we get

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a slice of pizza with grape soda, then the pop tart.

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Epstein responds, wow, Fish sends the black judge emoji. This

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is another exchange that seems potentially too weird to really

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be about pizza and grape soda. Grape drinks are stereotypically

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associated with African Americans, huh, A bit of niche racism that,

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in combination with the status of cheese, pizza, and soda

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as essentially juvenile foods, invites all manners of conjecture. The

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amateur detective might conclude that pizza and grape soda means

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black prostitutes, or one Italian prostitute and one black prostitute,

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or one black child and one Satanic cabal dressed like

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Super Mario. You couldn't know, but you can speculate endlessly.

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Then the next day, thick fish text couldn't wait, followed

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by an actual photograph of an actual slice of pizza

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and actual grape soda cuts through, and suddenly the whole

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conversation looks like what it first appears to be. Two

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older Jewish men with problematic running joke about their mutual

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infection for particular combinations of foods. Go figure, and again,

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this is exactly what I'm talking about. Right, there are

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millions of documents, between two and a half and three

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and a half million, depending on who you ask. There's

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endless fodder for narrative creation. Just put a pin in

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any one of his claims, because very clearly, as we

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get to the back half of this, it will become

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clear that this is all motivated reason. It's that actually

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concerned with this question. He simply found convenient examples that

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support what he already thinks But then there's this to

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thrust the reader right back into paranoia. Two Jeffrey. Jeffrey's

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email from redacted, Good afternoon, Would it be possible for

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Bryce and I to go over to Red Hook and

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have a quick pizza meal? Warmest regards? The sender's name

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has been redacted in the identity of Bryce is unclear,

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but a former New Zealand Army chief named Bryce Gordon

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co managed Epstein's New Mexico rams and was interviewed by

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the FBI in two thousand and seven. Red Hook is

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an unincorporated town in the US Virgin Islands, the least

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populated such place, according to a twenty twenty census, consisting

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mostly of marinas. There is, as it turns out, a

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pizza restaurant there, But why would someone needs Epstein's permission

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to have a quick pizza meal to which the financier

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was not invited. It's enough to drive a sensible person

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to speculation among online conspiracists. Among online conspiracists, speculation had

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already won the day again, and the people who bought Petz,

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bought into pizzagate are declaring that they were right all along.

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This is exactly the section of this article that got

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me to do this strength this next one. It is

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one of the while the sentences ever written in an article,

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especially in allegedly a respectable And I don't know why

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I'm surprised by this. I shouldn't be. I still am,

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deep down. I think I have some sort of a

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battered sense of shame and standards that I really should disregard. Anyway,

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this is the section the people who bought into Pizzagate

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are declaring they were right all along. They weren't. If

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Epstein and his friends did use pizza as a code

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word for sex, that wouldn't mean that the original Pizzagate

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conspiracy theory was correct, even if it was the case

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that pizza was a sexual code word in the Podesta emails.

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So basically we see here the shifting of the goalposts

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that the conspiracy isn't correct unless it matches up with

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the predictions of another conspiracy. Look like, I do not

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believe in Kewanon. I do not have the maximal take

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on Epstein, But this is a horrible argument. He's basically saying,

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even if you're right, well you're not right. I mean,

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that's effectively a more concise way to say exactly what

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he said it's absurd, and we get some slight chin

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stroking next to you to bulk out this argument. But

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there's really not much to it. Don't worry. This carries

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on from here. A person who stumbles on the correct

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answer through incorrect reasoning is still mistaken. Socrates explains this

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principle in Plato's Mino Dialogue, in which a servant boy

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correctly guesses the area of a two foot by two

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foot square four feet, then reveals his ignorance by declaring

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the area of a four by four foot square is

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eight feet. Socrates argues the boy was wrong when he

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got the right answer. He thought you calculated the area

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of a square by doubling the length of one size. Anyway,

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Socrates was put to death by popular vote. That's democracy

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in action. The potential for thousands or even millions of

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Pizzagate conspiracists to feel vindicated and therefore empowered by the

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preminence of Pizza in the latest bash of Epstein's files

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is scary in a similar democratic fashion, evoking the opposite

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fear from of the excuse me, evoking the opposite fear

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from the fear of elites. The heart of the Epstein

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conspiracy a terror of ordinary people. That is the point

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of this article. This author, his audience is way more

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afraid of the chudgs of you, of the people who

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may or may not have been right about their conspiracy

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theories quote unquote, than they are of, you know, the

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actual collection of blackmailers, inside traders, actual traders, and the

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sexual abusers at the center of this that is comparatively

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less of a scary or disconcerting thing to them. The

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Epstein story is unkillable because it is a vampire story. Huh.

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A parable about the power and privilege that wealthy people

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wield in the twenty first century. Show me a guy

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who believes Epstein traffic children to Bill Clinton and Donald Trump,

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and I'll show you a guy who thinks rich people

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run the world. He's not wrong about that second part,

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but he's probably wrong about the details as well as

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a host of other stuff, including but not limited to

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vaccines and Jews and lasers that control the weather. I'm

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not touching that, and his righteous wrongness. He's become one

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of the most terrifying forces in the twentieth century America.

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And that's the thing right that you have to be right.

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You not only have the goalpost shifted to simply being

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factually correct, but you have to be factually correct in

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a way that this progressive type believes is appropriate. Look like,

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this isn't a real argument. This is a dismissal. It's basically,

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you're racist, and so I don't have to listen to you,

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even if you're right. This is an essay arguing for

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people to just stick their head in the ground. And

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this is ultimately why my takeaway from the last several

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years politics is as bad as things are. It's worse

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for them, right, It's worse for the elite.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe this guy isn't like an Epstein level elite,

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but I did some research into him. He's ideallygue educated,

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he's an advertising executive. He's a wealthy, well educated man.

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But they've lost all self confidence, right, They have seeded

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the ground that they are wrong and are now arguing

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on well, you're right, but not for the correct reasons

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you're wondering. This is exactly what happened to conservatives and

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evangelical leaders in America forty fifty years ago. They ceded

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the central claim, they held on to their specifics. You know,

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they stood astride you know, the great train of progress

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and yelled stop. But they lost. So I think that

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this is you know, and there's more analysis after that.

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But I think that this is a moment for optimism

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because of that when millions of people like him find

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one another, it can cause Hughes problems. I submit that

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the fear of such people is fundamental The experience of

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being an educated liberal in Trump's United States listen closely

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more frightening than the syndicate of pedophilic celebrities, finance seers

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and their urologists, because it operates in greater numbers. So

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in this latest batch of Epstein files we find weirdness,

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double terror, the sensation that some of the most powerful

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people in the world really did commit acts of imaginable

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cruelty and perversion, and the feeling that the craziest people

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in the world about to get a lot more influential

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as a result. There are two conspiracies out there, the

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mysterious conspiracy of elites that was the life of Jeffrey

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Epstein and the dwell documented conspiracy of morons that is

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American democracy. It is possible that we are ruled by both. Well. Shoot,

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I honestly thought that you guys seeing that article the

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same that I was, well, that's embarrassing, so I guess

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you've been staring at my face. I'll put the link

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down in the description if you guys want to go

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through it. But yeah, there's a lot in that article. Right.

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The terror, right, the real fear that they have lost

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or are losing, is something you see really throughout liberal

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and progressive thought. In my mind, this is why after

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Obama too, the left got really nasty. I think that,

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deep down, if I could psychologize them for a bit,

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there was this fear, this fear that not only was

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this great messianic figure of Obama, the reincarnation of Martin

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Luther King, the man who would heal the indelible sin

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of America, not only did that not work out, not

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only did healthcare get more expensive, not only did the

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wars not and not only did gay marriage not do

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all the things it was claimed to do. But the

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chudges were still there, these these this conspiracy of morons,

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these you know, these racists who you know prot along

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about Jewish space lasers and the like. They didn't go away,

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and so the focus shifted, of course, shifted to punishing them.

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These figures became sort of a recasting of the Soviet

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records for those who aren't familiar. And I don't know

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if this is true. It may be apocryphal, but it

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stands for this point, when the Soviets were encountering issues,

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they couldn't meet quotas, things were moving inefficiently, machines broke. Well,

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if the state owns all of those things and it's

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not going well as a reflection on the state, the

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state cannot be criticized, And so where do they externalize

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that blame? Well, externalized didn't on the wreckers. The reason

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we didn't make enough pig iron, the reason that this

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tank is late, Well, it's not because of any problem

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with the proletariat, not with any problem with the state.

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It's the wreckers, right, this sort of shadowy force. They

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are the reason. And in much the same way the

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progressives turned to these evil conspiracy theorists, these racists as

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the explanation for why there's sort of heaven on Earth

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not materialized. We saw a huge reversion to this in

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the aftermath of Donald Trump's first win. I mean, look

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the whole modern discourse on I say modern, it's been

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a decade on conspiracy theories is basically that it is

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cope or why Hillary Rodham Clinton didn't win, right, the

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most prepared, the most perfect quote unquote candidate in history,

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Why did she lose to this orange O. Well, it's

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the Russians, it's conspiracy theorists, that's queue it on. It's

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it's uncensored social media, it's anything but me, anything but

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the state. And I think you're seeing the exact same thing.

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And fundamentally, it seems as if these progressive types are

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much more afraid of that than they are of Jeffrey Epstein.

486
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Now also, and this is much more the point of

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my article in juneto, which is how I will pronounce

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it until someone tells me how to, is why does

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the progressive who fundamentally casts himself as a rebel right?

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There's a reason they're always, you know, comparing themselves to

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Harry Potter or to to Star Wars right, the underdog

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fighting against an evil, oppressive system. Why do they feel

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the sudden urge to run to the defense of that

494
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same system?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Why are they rushing to defend in the FBI at

497
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DJ there's another article I haven't I have read. I

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just haven't read it. On to you guys from the

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New York Times by one Daniel Richmond. Huh, the Epstein

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file should never have been released, which makes exactly that point, like, oh,

501
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this makes the system look bad and from a progressive

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liberal type, well aren't you the underdog? Aren't you fighting

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against the system? Well no, we all understand that isn't true. Fundamentally,

504
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these people have the same politics as JP, Morgan, Chase

505
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and Raytheon and them. I five, right, they're not rebels.

506
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But I think a large part of this on ease

507
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is that it is that feeling of disquiet. It is

508
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that feeling that that core central myth to who you are,

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what justifies your existence, how you conceptualize yourself politically qua religiously.

510
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It's like, oh, shoot, I'm not I am the institution.

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We understand that, right, Brooks the others I mentioned Nick

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Lowles as well. If you guys heard me talking to

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Dan the other day, I did. I have found that article.

514
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Someone was able to find it for me very quickly.

515
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So I appreciate your guys help with that. These guys

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are not rebels. They love to cast themselves as activists.

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They love to cast themselves as those who speak truth

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to power. Of course, right, it's not true. It's not

519
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true at all. Obviously, they receive lots of money from

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the government, as I've said, the same politics as you know,

521
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Fortune ten companies in every government in the West. But

522
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this puts them in an awkward situation. Of course, I'm

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going to cut that out. I just completely lost my

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train of thought. Anyway, this places them in a very

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precarious situation. On twofold, one, they're moral legitimacy internally, right,

526
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This sort of narrative they tell themselves is on fundamentally

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unstable ground, which is huge. We referred earlier right to

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the self confidence required to rule, and that self confidence

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requires this kind of externally externalization of plain Well, if

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you're sort of stuck in this situation of realizing one

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this central myth I told myself is not correct, and

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two my greatest fear really stated that the Chuds have

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been justified, that they have been granted moral legitimacy. It's

534
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a very interesting thing. It's sort of an inadvertent admission,

535
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you know, those two things kind of bundled together. So yeah,

536
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I get much more into this in my article for

537
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June too. You should check it out. It's pretty good.

538
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There's a lot more in it than when I went

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over here. I pull from another source in that by

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the infamous Nick Lols who and that's you know, that

541
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is nice, right in addition to hearing about all these guys,

542
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when you read their defenders, right, when you read those

543
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who seek tokind of miscast and recharacterize these tragic events.

544
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Lulls was, of course reacting to the Grooming gang scandal,

545
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but there are obvious and clear parallels between the two.

546
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This is one of the great things about having a

547
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you know, certain religious belief is that it's like, okay, well,

548
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you know, as a servant of power, right, as a

549
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client ally of the regime, sure, you know, he may

550
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well escape punishment. He seems to be quite wealthy and

551
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,360
have a pretty easy job. But uh, you know that

552
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dude's getting just Kentucky Kentucky fried now, So you know, anyway,

553
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,039
I know this is a little bit shorter and a

554
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little bit different than normal. As I said earlier, it

555
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wasn't my plan. It's just sort of something I had

556
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to pull out of my back pocket. But I appreciate

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you guys. Appreciate you guys. That is an impressive illusion

558
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of three words. I appreciate you guys a lot. Thank

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you so much for the support. Regularly skeed old episodes

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will resume tomorrow. We'll get back to kind of the

561
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normal swing of things. Sorry, I know it's not a

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full length episode, but you got thirty five minutes of

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me talking, which is basically, if you only listen to

564
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my audio track like a month of the Jay Burden Show,

565
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,880
as long as Carl Doll's not all, we don't count us.

566
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But anyway, guys, I appreciate it. I'll be back tomorrow.

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To everyone at home, keep your head up. Good night,