Speaker 1: If you really knew who you are, if you really
knew that God had a plan for you, if you
really understood what you were supposed to do here, you'd
live so much differently.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Being a Christian isn't just for you. Right, God created
you for a purpose, and that purpose wasn't just for
you to get saved. Us receiving salvation is the beginning
of this journey that we're on.
Speaker 3: That's impossible.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what I believe. What's your weakness?
It is not your technique. Don't think you know.
Speaker 3: The Impossible Life Podcast.
Speaker 2: I mean you're sitting on a winning lottery.
Speaker 1: TECHNI an idea that is fully formed, fully understood.
Speaker 2: That sticks.
Speaker 1: This is the Impossible Life Podcast because Nick and I
are attempting to live impossible lives. What we know is
that nothing is impossible. So instead of using impossible as
an excuse to not try, we'll use the pursuit of
impossible as an accelerant for greatness. If something's never been
done before, that just means it's unexplored. If they tell
you it's too hard, it's just waiting to be simplified.
Impossible as a default label used by uncourageous people unwilling
to take a risk. The real truth is this The
solution to any impossible task starts with this question, if
I had to, what would it take?
Speaker 2: What would it take?
Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode of the Impossible Life Podcast. I'm
your co host, Nick Surface, and I'm looking across at
a man that's so futuristic. He knows the matrix was
a documentary. That's right, friends, Garrett Uncle back a man
whose name in Latin means Morpheus.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, it's Latin.
Speaker 3: Morpheus is a Latin word.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Gee, I was going into the recesses.
Speaker 4: I've been as I'm doing the thirty day Basic Discipline
training or a challenge. I have been going back through
some doozies of an episode because one of the episodes
on that path is number two, and we also cover
episode nine and like some early on episodes and even
early like even some.
Speaker 2: Of the ones in those number two resilient.
Speaker 3: Yeah, number two was resilience.
Speaker 4: Yea, And dude, you talk about I put this in
as one of my takeaways. It's not often that you
get to like go back and have a conversation with yourself,
like I don't think it's really possible sometimes you see
video clips, but not many people can go back and
literally almost have a conversation with themselves. And because we
have hours of our own conversations on record, it is
essentially me getting go to go back hundreds of hours
well I mean might even be yeah, hundreds of hours.
I get to go back and basically speak with myself
from five years ago, and dude, it is dang it.
Speaker 3: Well you say dang it.
Speaker 4: It's been kind of revelatory to me because I was
saying this to my wife. I was like, man, I
know what I thought about myself at the time, and
I look at myself now with my own eyes, and
I go, dude, I was nothing what I thought I was.
And it was like, kind of it's been very humbling
to look back, and it's been kind of crazy to
see how much the perspective has shifted. And so this
is today's episode is actually gonna be a fun one.
I think they're all fun, but like this is this
is gonna be a little bit of a different episode
because we know that we've got a bunch of people
now that are joining us every single week, which is
amazing and we appreciate it. And actually a lot of
people go back to the beginning and listen, but this
is like a synopsis for those that don't want to
go back and start from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I was talking with somebody recently over the last few weeks,
and they were telling me they'd only listen to a
couple episodes, and they were saying, you know, I just
really love your podcast, so what I love what you're
doing for men? And I asked them, I said, do
you know how this podcast started?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Because it's really what this from the very beginning, what
this has been about, is we want to show people
something we want people to undertand what's possible, Yeah, that
your life could be different. And I feel in one
of my favorite scriptures is Ecclesiastes three eleven, God places
eternity in the human heart. And that's why there's stories
that just pull on us because you know.
Speaker 2: To my dog, entertainment is food, oh yeah, right.
Speaker 1: But to people there's things that satisfy, But there's Maslow's
hierarchy of needs, and you continue to climb up that
ladder and there's something that you just cannot satisfy. And
within all of us there's this searching, there's this desire
there's something that we're chasing after, and we know it's
one of the things that every person in their life
at some point has shouted, I know there's got to
be more than this, right, and I know what I'm
doing right now can't be all that there is. And
what this podcast has been about is meant to be
an answer to that for people, especially for those who
aren't just seeking Christ but looking for total fulfillment in
that life of following Christ. Right, you can go to
church and say there's got to be more than this. Yeah,
and that's a perfect kickoff for where I was at.
So this is not just going to be me and
Garrett like patting ourselves on the back. This is actually
a lot less to do with us and more to
be an encouragement.
Speaker 2: We never just tell stories to tell stories.
Speaker 4: No, these are stories the lesson. We're going to share
some things we've never shared on air before as well,
which I'm looking forward to doing. So anyways, let's just
let's just dive in. Okay, So how this started before
the podcast started, and we've talked about this a lot,
was I started coaching with you. Now I want to
highlight for people some things that have been revelatory to
me as I've kind of pieced back the points of
my life. When I started coaching with Garrett, it was
what you charged for me was a lot of money
and I had to kind of talk myself into it
virtually every time I booked a session with you, just
just talking about where my mindset was at the time,
but why I started coaching with Garrett so i'd come
into Mighty Men. Moving from California out here and coming
into Mightument was like a very intimidating experience. I think
a lot of guys they describe it to me and
they'll say it to me now, and I go, oh,
I was exactly.
Speaker 3: Where you were when you came in.
Speaker 4: Because you walk into our minumen is for those that
don't know, it's the men's group that Garrett leads and
then I help lead, and there's four to five hundred
of us a week that meet together. Now you walk in,
there's a culture and an atmosphere. You don't come in
and like push yourself in on there. There's a bunch
of strong dudes. They look physically strong, they're vocal. It's
very bold. There's no like, you know, subtleties or hints
it's very direct. As far as the level of feedback,
shall we say, and direction, it's not it's a bold environment.
I remember walking into this and I was like, I
just want to make some friends, and I'm not really
sure about this, and there was like a lot of intimidation.
Speaker 2: Remind me, I actually don't remember this. How long had
you been coming to Mighty Men before you came to camp?
Speaker 3: Like two months?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So like I cause I started.
Speaker 4: I came to Mighty Man in August of twenty twenty
and because of COVID, you guys had moved camp to
the October, so I got a bonus camp. So like
I've been to seven camps because I got the two
for one special. I wasn't even in Mighty Man, but
you guys, it was so small back then. I remember
there was ten to twelve of us at Sons of
Thunder around the campfire. Yeah, and so Mighty Men kind
of alongside of this, because you know, one of the
key things is like what Garrett and I have do
on here is is obviously something that everybody gets to
share in, but we also have been going to mind
him in the entire time as well, not necessarily as
close in our relationship. But it's been really transformational for
me being around those guys. So you'll hear some references
because this has been almost like regular beats in my
life to almost measure myself. Some people, if you were
progressing in your job, you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's
when I got my promotion. Well, this is one of
those consistencies that you get to kind of see your
own progression in. So anyways, so I'm there for a
little under a year and I've done Tony Robbins stuff,
and like that was expensive. I spent thousands on that,
and like what I didn't realize was that prepared me
to be open to actually investing in myself. And I
use that term very very specifically because it really was
an investment in myself.
Speaker 3: And I look at the change.
Speaker 4: You know what's great about investment ge You get a
return on it, and when you invest long enough, you
start to see that return. So has my life grown, yes,
has my income grown?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Has there been a huge return, massive return on all
the stuff I did. But if I hadn't started with
the Tony Robbins stuff, I'd never been prepared to invest
in myself with you, And so what I saw on you, man,
was I had been in church as a kid. I
had gone to a few church services while I was
not seeking God, and what used to bother me And
I didn't know how to explain it, but I would
be able to tell when someone was preaching or when
someone was talking to me there was something about a
lack of authority in what they said. I oftentimes I
would describe it to my wife as I'd be like, man,
that person just read something in a book and they're
telling us about it. This is not There was no conviction.
So suddenly I'd come across this guy and like to
show like I've said this before. But when they were like, oh,
he's a Navy seal, I was like, what else is he?
Because I was not like I was not like, oh wow,
a Navy seal guy. I had nothing in me that
was even drawn to the seals. But when you spoke,
and when I got around you, I had this what
you said at the beginning, Man, I hope there's people
out there that have this suspicion that there's something more
for them, because the truth is is because while I
was not serving God, and while I was having this
this coming back to the Lord and literally literally he
was going to break in on my life, and at
this point I sought to coach with you. He had
already broken in in my life, but I'd had this
suspicion for such a long time. It was what made
me go into personal growth and development that there was
a level of living that was possible that I had
not experienced. And I couldn't verbalize it. I couldn't describe
it to you, but I just knew I didn't have it,
and I felt like, you know you too, I still
have a found what I'm certainly like looking for. That
was a song that really meant a lot to me
because I really felt that way.
Speaker 3: So something I see this.
Speaker 4: Guy and I what I was drawn to new is
I'd never seen someone with the fearlessness and certainty when
you spoke. There was no room for interpretation like, oh,
I wonder what he meant and what I didn't know?
I didn't know it then, but what I know now
is what I was seeing was somebody with a true
identity and seeing somebody that actually knew who they were.
Speaker 1: Well where that authority comes from. Authority like conviction is
a big piece of it. Belief is a big, big
piece of it. But it's experience. Right, Authority is when,
like you don't just step into authority. I think about David.
David was anointed, yeah, but it was twenty years before
he became king. Right, God basically said I've selected you.
Now I'm going to finish preparing you. And when you're
in authority on something, it's because you've seen something and
so much of my Like I said this all the
time on here, this is my philosophy, this is my evangelism.
If you knew what I know, you'd do what I do.
And so I've just had the privilege of seeing some
things of experience, experiencing certain things, and I'm trying to
do everything that I can to share that with people.
That's what you wanted to coach with me, just because
you wanted to hear it a little bit, a little
bit more up close. You wanted to see it a
little bit more. Because the journey that I'm trying to
take people on is that they would know who they are. Right,
if you really knew who you are, if you really
knew that God had a plan for you, if you
really understood what you were supposed to do here, you'd live.
Speaker 2: So much differently.
Speaker 1: Being a Christian isn't like just for you, right God,
God created you for a purpose, and that purpose wasn't
just for you to get saved. God us receiving salvation
is the beginning of this journey that we're on. And
it's why I identify so much with a warrior. That's
why this podcast is a podcast for men, and I
love that women listen to it as well, But it's
because the purpose mindset of a warrior is my life
isn't about me, right, And I love that we just
did this episode recently of The One right because it
tells this story and understanding, like Christ is the one,
but we're supposed to be christ Like and we get
to play the One in a certain way. And when
you know who you are, right, you realize it's not
about you, but it's who am I supposed to serve here?
And until you know who you are, you can't go
on the mission that God puts you on. And so
what this episode is about, what this podcast is about,
some of the stuff that we're touching on today is
really this journey of identity. Really why people listen to this,
like the reason people listen to this podcast and what
they're getting out of it is the origin story of
how this podcast came to be, right. It was me
trying to share with another another man of here's what
you here's who you could really be, Here's what you
could really be capable of. And it's Nick's passion for
this show because you spent so much time with me,
you just want to continue, Like, Man, I want other
people to get this.
Speaker 3: Too, so badly. I do, Man, so badly I do.
Speaker 4: You said something right there, man, that until you know
who you are, you can't go on the journey that
God's got for you. And I think that's where so
many people are at is is they they're like, man,
I want to go do this because I felt like that,
like as we are going in this, you know I've
told about how I like was listening to our podcast
and realizing, like I sound like an idiot and you're
just like dropping all these wisdom bombs and I really
wanted to, you know, start dropping wisdom bombs too, and
God stepping in me and like no, like I've already
got a Garret uncle block. I need you to be
Nick surface Like I really felt that so strongly in me.
But like I'm sitting there across from I mean going
back to you saying it was my first camp.
Speaker 3: You know, my first camp.
Speaker 4: We did what we always do, which is the Warrior Games,
which is where you compete. There's things like, you know,
lifting heavy weights and jumping over walls and going on
runs and insert. Garrett has given navycl a few tools
and just tell them to get to beat some men
down and see who takes it best.
Speaker 3: That's basically what we did.
Speaker 4: You know what I did on our first camping trip,
g I sat out and watched because I didn't need
any of that.
Speaker 3: And you know what it was.
Speaker 4: I was completely afraid to go in and fail because
I thought I was some sort of athlete and I
was looking around at some of these dudes and going like, man,
I know that guy would beat me. And I couldn't
deal with actually like having to face that. That was
where my level of identity was at. So I sat
out and watched and told myself a story about how
stupid it was.
Speaker 3: Very first games.
Speaker 2: You didn't know who you were. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: It comes back to comes back to this Grape movie
always shocks people when I quote this one, Ell Yeah
comes back to this scrape movie Lion King where Mufasa
said to his son, you have forgotten who you are
because you've forgotten who I am. Right, when you know
who your father is, yes, then you know who you are.
This is both spiritual and literal. Right, I have the
privilege of having a great father on the earth, but
I also have relationship with my heavenly father. When you
know who he is, you know who you and you
know who you are. And what happens to Simba in
the movie after he reunites with his father, he knows
who he is, and what does he do Once he
knows who he is? He goes home and he does
what he was supposed to do. And that wasn't and
you know, so much, so much great character in that movie,
But Simba's life wasn't for him. It was for all
the people that he served, right, he became the one
that he was supposed to be. This is the journey
that Neo goes through in the Matrix of learning who
he is.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I was just reminding Nick before the show of this
scene in the Matrix where when Neo goes to speak
to the oracle. What the point of that scene is?
It triggers Neo to go on this journey of deciding
who he is, because if you remember in the beginning,
he gets out of the matrix and they tell him
he's the one, and he's not sure if he believes
that right, and he goes to the oracle to ask
the question.
Speaker 2: Am I the one?
Speaker 1: And essentially what she tells him is it's not my
job to tell you that you have to decide that
for yourself. And the signs in Latin, so a lot
of people miss it, but the sign above Neo's head
while he's speaking to the oracle, it says in Latin,
know thyself. This is what the journey that a man
has to go through is when and it's you know,
I've talked about this before from training Tadpoles. Every man's
asking the same question, am I who? I think that
I am?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: When you know who you are, you know what you're
supposed to do, And that's what people are really searching for.
It's why this podcast exists. It's what I want people
to hear that there's so much more in you and
that thread that you're pulling on you just got to
keep pursuing it because it's really like the journey of
a great life. And this is what the Bible talks about,
that you stay faithful to the end, not that you
believed one time, not that you had an idea and
God all hyped up and excited, not that you accomplished
one mission, but that you stayed faithful all the way
to the end. That faithfulness is you knowing who God
is all the way to the end, through the ups
and the downs.
Speaker 2: And when you do that, it shows you who you are.
Speaker 4: And that's really the whole thread of what's happened in
this podcast that I didn't really know was going to happen.
I think that this is so true of so many people.
We pursue a certain outcome, so like fast forward, I
go for a run, I have this I literally I'm
listening to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is you know, we've been coaching for
what a couple of months?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been coaching.
Speaker 4: I think we've been coaching for probably three or four
months at this point. And apparently you were enjoying it.
I tell I was telling this story the other day,
because you have the rest of the intensity face. We
used to meet at a coffee shop and I would
always be respectful of your time, like, hey, I know
we're at exactly an hour. Because I our conversations, we
never had any issues with things to talk about because
I was asking you questions and I had been working
stuff out since last time, as I was taking copious
amounts of notes, and so I would I would get
to the end, I'm like, hey, do you have to go?
And You're like no, I'm enjoying this, and I remember
to always be like, oh you are, Like I was surprised.
Speaker 1: You actually were one of my favorite clients because you
because you did you know, you know when you help people,
you're excited when you help people and it helps them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you.
Speaker 5: Said, well yeah, Like just this week, I was having
a call with some of my vendors at Union who
are like super pumped and excited for us, and I
was just sharing a milestone with them and this is
my milestone, not theirs, and they're like so excited.
Speaker 2: They're like, this is amazing. We're so glad to hear that.
Speaker 1: They're like, aren't you excited and just you know me
like without flinching, or this is my excited face. Yeah,
I mean just pursed out laughing. Well, I was being serious.
I mean it's just I don't know. Not a lot
raises the pulse at this point in my life. But
what I had said to Nick was like, you're one
of my favorite clients. Why because you actually do what
I'm telling you to do.
Speaker 4: But it's so funny because when you said this now,
and I keep in mind, I know, do you talk
about identity and lack of So I'm sitting there when
you said that to me, I remember, I was like,
I am. I was so surprised because I was like,
first of all, I couldn't see anything in you that
would have told me that, And second I was like,
why would I You know, I'm thinking this guy must
have twenty people that were way better than me. And
it's funny because Lindsay who I Thank god Lindsay's there
to chronicle some of them.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: One of the things I'm careful not to do when
I coach people because people put me up on a pedestal. Yeah,
and you're not paying me to affirm you correct. You're
paying me to show you who you are, right, And
this is like, it's not like, this isn't me being withholding.
I love the people in my life deeply, but I'm
mistraining you if I'm teaching you to do things for
my affirmations, right right. A lot of times I am
really proud of the people that I work with, but
I don't want them to know that because that's not
what I want.
Speaker 4: Them to work for. Yeah, I get that one percent.
I'm not sure that'll make sense to everybody.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 4: So Lindsay actually told us that you had said, like, Hey,
I think this guy might be might become one of
my friends. At some point you had said that, and
I was like completely caught off guards like I don't
even know if this guy likes me. I'm paid for
time with him because I see something in him, and
so that's.
Speaker 3: Kind of funny.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so we've been coaching for a few months
and this dynamic was growing, and I was like, you
were giving me some things early.
Speaker 3: On that were like massive AHAs.
Speaker 4: A lot of what I was having questions about was
structure and of life, like taxonomy of how things work,
and you were giving me in a way that I'd
never heard before. And so I'm running, I'm on a run.
I'm listening to Tim Fair's podcast, which is still a
great podcast. But if you know anything about Tim Ferriss.
He struggled with depression and literally had plans to kill himself.
And I remember he does these episodes where you can
just ask questions and someone was asking him how to
be happy and I was listening to his answer and
I was like, you know what, man, I know a
guy who could answer that question way better. That was
literally my exact thought process. And it was clear's day.
I still know the exact spot, I still run this route.
I know exactly where I was because it was like
it was like, once again, it was like a God
megaphone moment, that guy needs a podcast. So I'd like
stop my run mid run and.
Speaker 2: Just text you.
Speaker 4: I said, Hey, would you ever think about doing a podcast?
And I proposed to you because once again, think about this.
The point of us telling the stories, like so much
of our life, is that we think we are doing
one thing and God's actually doing something completely different. And
what he's doing is, like you said, He's developing you.
What you said at the beginning that until you know
who you are, you're not ready to go on the
journey that God has for you. At the beginning, when
we started the podcast, it was like, how many listeners
can we get what sort of metrics? How are we
going to do this? What I had no idea about
was that this was going to be like a hyper
drive acceleration for my own development of who of me,
growing in my identity. And that's what's kind of happened
while we've done this. And I think the reason I'm
sharing that isn't because it's like, oh, hey, look at me,
could care less about that. It's for every person out there.
Everyone that's listening to this will have something that they're pursuing,
and they think it's about getting to that finish line,
like when I can get my business to X, when
my kids are like this, when my marriage is better,
when I have this level of fitness. And what's actually
happening is God is going to develop the who in
you where you actually know who you are and how
you know who you are? G Like you said, you
know your father?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 4: It's a journey of you of your relationship with him.
It's your journey into God that when you grow into God,
you can then start to live from a place of
being in Him rather than taking all this external feedback.
So go back to where I was, I'm at this
external feedback point where I'm still like exactly like, if
you just said, hey, I think you're a great it would.
Speaker 3: Have meant so much to me.
Speaker 4: I would have been like, wow, maybe I am those things,
And of course I'm very grateful that you didn't. So anyways,
I send you this text, I'm like, if it was
and once again, remember I don't think much of myself here,
so I'm like, if it was out of place in
time where that suited you, would you consider having a podcast?
I think people need what you have. And in my mind,
I'm going to go in and just record you, and
like I'm thinking, maybe he'll have me on it. I
don't know if you would even want that, because I'm like,
I'm definitely not worthy of this guy, of being sad
across from this guy, and so I had no idea
what we were getting into. Man Like truthfully, like you
said your response back to is, I know podcast takes
a lot of time.
Speaker 2: I had thought about doing a podcast. I'd considered it
for a while.
Speaker 1: Actually, the podcast that I wanted to start, or that
I had thought about starting, was what I was going
to call it was Better Questions. Yeah, right, and that
would be the theme I don't know exactly what the
title would be, but about better questions because when I like,
when I coach with people, like they tell many of
their problems and I'd say it back to them, I
tell them their problem from a different perspective, right, like,
here's actually the question you should be asking. It's really
center like you can't solve a problem till you know
what the problem is. And a lot of people talk
about the symptoms of their problem, not the actual problem.
And that's I mean, it's one of It's why I
say my superpowers perspective. When you think about things the
right way, like, then you can actually change something.
Speaker 2: And I knew I wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: But when you started talking about, you know, helping me
with the podcast, I saw something. I saw a much
better idea for a podcast. I saw something that was
way better than me just doing something by myself. And
I hadn't started that podcast by myself because I knew
the amount of work that it would take. And I
can say I've followed I followed the Holy Spirit in
my life, and second to that, I follow my gut.
I am I'm alive because I've listened to my gut.
And there's times where I just know right. It's why
I'm like I tell people, I'm very lucky. Right, things
just happened to work out for me, and that with
not starting the podcast was a gut thing for me.
I knew it was right, but it's not right yet.
It's not right yet. And you know when you told
me like, hey, I want to help you do this,
I knew it was right.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've not actually heard you say that before. So
that's that's interesting because I always did wonder what it
was that made you jump in, and but you talked
about how like you the big thing.
Speaker 1: One of the ways that I like, you know, you
never want to be someone this is just caveat really quick.
You never want to be someone who like, oh it's
not time yet. It's not like I have trained myself
like I'm an action person. I'm not a hesitator, right,
you have I wanted to be, because you'll light people
light to themselves like, oh, you know, it's just not
the right time yet. No, you're just afraid, Okay, because
I'm I have trained myself to be someone who's not
a hesitator. I'm not afraid. That allows me to be
able to listen when I when I hear the voices
says it's not time yet, right, that I'm not fooling
myself into sense like.
Speaker 2: Because I want to go.
Speaker 1: I am the action person, but I can because of that,
I can hear the voices says it's not time yet, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you start from a place of I'm ready to
step rather than like, oh man, someone's gonna have to
push me off this ledge. And there's a big difference
to that. Now I had no idea what I was
getting into. But you say that every person has a
reason for their journey, and like you know that they
need that some people need to hear, like over and
over and over again, and like there was a few
things when we were prepping. You talked about how most people,
the difference between where they're at and where they're going
is simply a matter of the way that they're thinking.
And man, I love that. So I hope that's so
encouraging because if it was a matter of you need
to be able to do certain things physically, there's a
lot of people that just wouldn't be able to get there.
But if it's the because of the way that you think, well,
here's the encouraging part.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Some of my like earliest revelation in life was the
power of mindset.
Speaker 2: Yeah right where I'm.
Speaker 1: You know, like I would say that the earliest one was,
like there's like seven eight years old watching cartoons of
Spider Man and Juggernaut. Juggernaut is the physical specimen. Spider
Man would always outsmart Juggernaut, right, because Juggernaut was one
of the people that could, like you know, just was strong,
way stronger than Spider Man. All of like his traps
that Spider Man would set, Juggernaut would just break through them.
The only way that Spider Man could be Juggernaut was
he had to outthink him, right. And I just had
so many epiphanies in my life of the power of mindset,
and you know places where I would experience it in
my life or see it in movies and other things
where you could win through your thinking, not just through
your physicality. Like strength is great, you need to be
physically strong. And I just continue to have this revelation
over and over and again in my life that the
way that you think is the most powerful thing that
you have right as a man think it's so isy
and so like I that's been My pursuit since I
was very young was to be a great thinker, because
I want to be great, and so the beginning of
that is learning to think great. And so that's been
you know what's happened on this podcast is I've really
just wanted to share a mindset with you. Yeah, it's
the break free for everyone. If you just thought differently,
your life would be a million times better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, And I find that so encouraging and you
and because you've the thing is that's great.
Speaker 3: A lot of people can say that.
Speaker 4: And what I always I mean, I appreciate so much
about you, But what I always tell people is it's
like you're you're not speaking theoretically like you like you
say you were the bottom third of your class in
buds and physically physically, but you and you said this exactly,
you felt like you were the top one percent mentally
at nineteen years old. And you're up against guys who
are D one athletes, who are like Adidas sponsored Olympic runners,
and you're going, okay, like this is like me going
to an NFL combine and being like I got you guys.
Speaker 3: It's like no, you like at your age, no chance,
No you don't you don't know.
Speaker 2: What I know?
Speaker 4: Like that that is, wouldn't you like to have that
if you're out there where you go in and you're
like you guys.
Speaker 2: Are playing the rock.
Speaker 1: I think it was such an important part of my
journey because I was also only nineteen. I went on
to get way stronger and way more capable in the
in the seal teams. I mean, and I got my
name on the board in our gym.
Speaker 2: For multiple categories.
Speaker 1: But there's a there's a board of you know, top
ten in all these different categories you know, run, speed, lifts, jumps,
all those things. I mean, I got my board, my
name on the board in multiple categories. So it's not
like I was, you know, just completely physically deficient. But
it followed afterwards exactly.
Speaker 2: That came later.
Speaker 4: You didn't, Yeah, you didn't get through because you were
already going to be on that board. You learned how
to get on that board exactly. And that's and I
want people to capture that because there's so much of
that is I hope that's in you as you're sitting there,
as you're realizing, okay, I may not be there's some
things that just take time.
Speaker 2: Well, there's it turns into what do you rely on?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what I've what I found is that if
you rely on your strength, your you're like strength has limitations,
but there's really just no limitation on the way that
you think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, dude, I love that.
Speaker 4: I've been saying that to people more and more because
you said that a few episodes of History.
Speaker 2: Reminder, if your life sucks, your thinking sucks.
Speaker 1: If you fill like there's limits in your life, you're
thinking is what is the beginning of you overcoming those limitations.
It's kind of like the intro to this podcast. Yeah,
the answer to every impossible task starts with the mindset
of if I had to, what would it take?
Speaker 3: Praise the Lord.
Speaker 1: It starts with the mindset of, yes, that's where it starts. Yeah,
it's not where it ends, but it's where it starts. Yeah,
that's just the beginning.
Speaker 4: So we start Algae and we're gonna we're gonna speed
up here a little bit because I really there were
so many nuggets that I want people to take away, Like,
I hope you can hear what we're talking about, and
just like that it encourages you, inspires you, and like
that you want to press on and keep in mind
what we always say. Like your mom told me that
she often thinks that God moved me and my wife
to Texas just for your family, which I think is
a really sweet thing.
Speaker 2: Spars have adopted you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like it's a sweet thing to say, but
like they're really God orchestrate what we did. Like I
just want to point out it's not an accident that
a guy with a great message meets a guy who's
a marketer. Like when you and I came together, I
had a lot of skills that are helpful for it
is because a podcast. Just for those of you who
are like I'm gonna start a podcast, just know, like there's.
Speaker 1: Stuff that people ask me about the podcast. I'm like,
don't just talk to Nick about that.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I will just say for a podcast, And
this is I'm not going to go deep into this.
If you want to start a podcast, great, go for it.
Speaker 3: You should.
Speaker 4: But don't start a podcast because you think you're gonna
have thousands of followers because like you have to promote yourself.
I'll just say that, Like you can get a lot
of organic reach on things like YouTube, It's way hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard for anybody, right, Obama started a podcast.
Speaker 3: And quit, Thanks so a loud no bomba.
Speaker 1: Just because you just because you have a big name
doesn't mean you're gonna be great. And there's people who
came from from nothing. But just because you have a
big name doesn't mean you're gonna have a big podcast.
I have at least the Navy Seal brand, which has
a good amount of value in it. And when we started,
it's not like a million people were listening to us.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's taken us.
Speaker 1: Five years to get to the point where we are
where you know, now we're a very legitimate sized podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even still like Joe Rogan and nobody, like
nobody out there is going like, oh wow, big dogs,
Like we're still We're paying our price, man, and we're
going to continue to. But I will say where we
are now is where I dreamed of being when we started,
And now that we're here, I'm like a dude, like,
we're just we're just getting.
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, it's a there's a great lesson
in that. I feel like, obviously our content has progressed,
but even the stuff that we did very very early on,
we were extremely faithful we did what I knew was right,
and like we sewed great seed. That's why people can
get on this show now and go back to your
original content like, man, this is still good. Yeah right,
I knew that's what it would take. It just takes years.
Takes years to build something great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think when you say that, people will
hear them like, yeah, okay, but like so for me,
so the first twenty episodes, for me, I was basically
me getting coaching. If you want to know what our
coaching sessions were, like, go listen to the early episodes
because I would like listen to what Garrett would say
and I would work it out and go okay, But
what about the person who's thinking this, you know who
was thinking that?
Speaker 2: It was me?
Speaker 4: So so like I was, I was basically have a
friend yeah yeah, this guy question Yeah exactly, that was
asking for a friend. Yeah, asking for a friend, but
not really So like all the all the early value
and this the way that this stood up was because
of what you brought. Now, really hear what Garrett said,
It takes years to build anything great. But like at
that point, you had a Navy seal, triedent the stuff
you were saying you already knew was true. You tested
it out at a high level, and you could be
mad at the world that they weren't listening, but that
was not the attitude at all. You were like, I
have to pay my price. Now, flip the spotlight over
to my side of the table. So our first guest
on episode nineteen was Steve Weatherford, and I'm well.
Speaker 1: Just let me let me pause on that really quick
because and you mentioned mentioned it the message in the
marketer and you're a lot more than just a marketer now.
But that was the beginning of this, and I told
you in the beginning, this was my thought process around
like I wanted to have a podcast. I want people
to hear what I have to say, not because it
means anything to me, because I'm trying to help people. Yeah,
but my thought process has always been like this is
mighty men. Never once at mighty men in you know,
however seven years or whatever long it's been, ever once
it might have been.
Speaker 2: Have I got up there and I said, make sure
you invite your friends. Not once. I've not said at
one time, go invite your friends.
Speaker 1: What I knew was is if you so great seed,
you will reap a harvest right, develop yourself, develop the message,
and develop a message that's so great that it demands
an audience. What most people do is they demand an
audience and then they try to go and prepare their
message right. And so what I like, truly well, the
origin of this podcast is a marketer finding me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in what you just said there, man,
is such a trust in principles and in trust in
God's word because in the first twenty episodes, you know,
it is me getting coached. Our first guest was Steve Weatherford.
Like I said on episode nineteen where I was Steve, Yeah,
I love Steve. Where I was at is I was
sitting there and going like I was like, why am
I in this room? That's literally like I felt so
like you talk about in securities and comparing myself, I'm like,
I'm with a Navy seal and a Super Bowl champion
and like here I am. Yeah, Like, what would you
even put as your moniker? Because you know, if you
want to start a podcast, you know it's really hard.
You got to sum yourself up in a way that
somebody would actually want to listen to you. Uh oh,
you know, any insecurities you have. Any lack of identity
will come flying out in that because I'm like, what,
I'm a marketer, I'm a guy who's married, is like,
how do I.
Speaker 1: Think it's one of the hardest things in the world
is people learning how to tell their story. Yeah right,
I know Navy seals who can't tell their story right,
and that I'm certainly not hitting on my peers. I'm
using that as these are people that the world would validate,
but they don't know how to tell their message.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to do now, I can tell you.
So that was four and a half years ago with
you and Steve. I've been in rooms with all sorts
of Hall of Fame baseball players. We got John Bavere's
sat across from us. That thought process of what am
I doing here? Or literally how do I compare? Never
enters my mind anymore, ever, And so I'm saying that
to encourage people because I think comparison. They say comparison
is the thief of joy. I think it's also the
thief of destiny because so often people will compare themselves
to somebody else and say, well, I want what that
guy has, and so they'll start trying to do what
they think that person is doing.
Speaker 1: It's what Pastor Keith said, you have a unique fingerprint
to leave you unique print on the world that no
one else can leave. If you try to be somebody else,
you're not you, right, And what an identity does is identity.
Like there are doors that only you can open, correct, right,
that's what identity of the One of the things that
identity does is it's access. It's like your driver's license
gives you access, your passport gives you access. Who you
are is access to certain things. Until you become who
you're called to be. There's doors that will never open
for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now on, So we're sitting there and we're we're twenty.
You know, that's how I felt at nineteen. And I'm
saying that to be encouragement because that was on my
four and a half years ago.
Speaker 2: Gee.
Speaker 4: And you know that may sound like a long time
or a short time. A lot can happen, a lot
can change. You have no idea what God can do.
And that's that's the encouragement I hope to give to everybody. Now,
what I'll say is in the background of everything that
we do, we always had mighty men gain like going on.
So the first one hundred episodes, like I was more
of a punchline. I was like a lot more of
a punchline. And I will say, you know, your humor
has really developed more than beyond beyond just insulting me,
because there was a few years where like your your
safe place was just like if I crack at your
about Nick, Everyone's gonna laugh.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: The reason I'm sharing this is because in Mightyment, like
I said, we compete in those games. It's a very
like manly environment and for sure you kind of you know,
everybody knows how you're perceived. And what was going on
in Mightument was that people would listen to the podcast
You're bagging on me all the time, so everybody else
was like I was kind of like they would laugh
at me as well. Nothing got a loud or laugh.
My dad enjoyed it so much, by the way, but
nothing got a loud or laughed than you insulting me.
And it was always kind of like, oh, here comes
this bit again, and it never failed. It was always
funny to everybody, which you know, was always amazing to
me that people still thought it was that fait.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was the beginning of me developing you. So just
so you know, I know that right it was the
beginning of that. I was beating you up in front
of everyone, But what I was also doing was making
sure everyone knew who you were.
Speaker 4: Right now, listen, but hear what you said about you
knew that if you sowed good enough seed, that that
you would reap the harvest, and that you didn't. You
didn't demand an audience. You just said I'm gonna put
the message out there and the right people will find it.
So my attitude this time, but I'm showing I'm kind
of contrasting your sense of identity with my lack of identity.
I'm sitting there at that time talking and I'm going, gee,
I don't understand this, Like I saw something in myself
of you know, like I'm like, I can do whatever.
I can speak multiple languages, I can play multiple instruments.
I can you know, I have these many businesses and
they're doing well and blah blah blah. So I'm what
am I doing? I'm measuring myself by all the outsides
and going like these guys don't see it, what's wrong
with them? I should be mad at the world because
like I didn't like being the punchline. And I'm like,
and I remember I would come to you by and
I would say that to you, And what you would
tell me is you gave me this thought process you said.
They just don't see it. Yet you got to keep going.
You've got to be so good they can't ignore you.
Now I I I would hear that and.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, people you know, so that that's a line
or a phrase like so good they can't ignore you.
It's like something you'll see in a Nike commercial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And there's also people that like, if you're I don't
even want to say, like you know, spiritually sensitive, but
that's an added that might all start to rub some
people wrong, like be so good they can't ignore you.
But let me tell you what is right in that
way of thinking, being so good they can't ignore you
is a thought process that that's say, Okay, if you're
saying be so good they can't ignore you, what you
are saying is there is a point where the work
that you have done must be must be validated. That's
what you're saying when you say that. You're not saying
like everyone's mean and they're not giving me a chance.
What you're saying is be so good they can't ignore you.
It means I can be better so and if I
keep going, they will see me, right. And that's what
most people are searching for validation, And that's why I'm
quick to not give that to the people that I
work with. I don't want you to feel like I've
validated you, because that's you searching the wrong thing. And
it's what everyone who doesn't have an identity is doing.
They're seeking validation, right. They're trying to get the outside
to tell them who they are. What I'm trying to
do is what the Oracle did with Neo. It's what
Morphius did with Neo. I'm going to help you come
to the place where you make the decision I know
who I am because once the Oracle's gone and Morpheus
gone is gone. Once Morpheus has been captured, Neil comes
to the epiphany I know who I am.
Speaker 2: I know. At the same moment, he says, I know
who I am, and I know what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 3: Man, that that is deeply rich.
Speaker 4: Gee a matter of fact, I think we should go deeper
into that in a very soon podcast.
Speaker 3: But I will just tell you so, just because this is.
Speaker 4: An encouragement for I want to, Like I said, I
always want to be an encouragement to anybody I can the.
Speaker 3: Way I would.
Speaker 4: So Garret would tell me that, like he would be like,
they just don't see it, like, and I would be frustrated,
right because you know, I didn't realize my own identity
was going to be getting developed where I would kind
of logically encourage myself as I'd go, Dude, I'm sad
across from a Navy seal.
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna have a tried dent.
Speaker 4: Like you know that geriatric seals don't exist, right, which
is what I would be.
Speaker 2: And you can buy one at the store for a
few dollars.
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna Yeah that would I would, I
would be, yeah, that's just embarrassing. Anyways, I don't, like,
I don't know that I was actually thinking about this.
I think I'm so anti. I don't think I'll ever
own a piece of seal memorabilia, Like I don't even
think I'll ever have a shirt with the crest on it,
because I'm like, so never want to be the guy
trying to pretend I've rubbed.
Speaker 2: Off my detest of phoniness on.
Speaker 3: You, Oh big time, dude.
Speaker 4: I think I authenticity is something I've always valued and
I have so much regard because it's a similar because
it's a similar thread to identity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah big why.
Speaker 1: It always makes my daughter laugh, I mean my wife
laugh because Grace was just asked me, Daddy, what are
you going to be for Halloween this year?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not dressing up as anything. I don't pretend. I
don't have to get an inture for that. That's wonderful.
But so the way I would encourage myself and what
I would encourage anybody out there that's going like, yeah,
I feel like that. I feel like I see some
things in me. There's a price to be paid, and
here's here's the caveat. You don't get to determine the
price or how long it takes. And that's what I
would encourage myself. I'd like, I'm just in price paying,
Like I've just got a price to pay. Because what
I would remind myself, I'm like, dude, I'm sad across
from a guy who paid a price for six years
in the seal teams. That's greater than anything I'll ever
have to pay. I'm never going to think I'm never
going to get beat down. At least I don't think
who knows what's going to happen in the future. I
don't believe that I would face a beat down the
way that you did to be formed into who you
are in such an intense period of time. You often
say you went through twenty five years of development in
six years in the Seal teams. What a blessing to
have hyper growth mode? Also, what a pain.
Speaker 2: When you're going through struggle. Just have that attitude about it.
Speaker 1: It's what I knew it was for me at the time,
and it's reframed every struggle that I go through in
my life since right I went through there were periods
a six month long, year long period that it was.
Speaker 2: Just brutally intense.
Speaker 1: Every day was misery, and what came out the other
side was a way greater version of me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so all head kind of towards the home
stretch here, Gee, just because we as we've progressed, there's
been so many things that have changed. But I think
what happened a lot from the beginning stages too, just
in my own journey of us going is I would
start to do a lot of the things that you
had died seen you do. I'd start to For people
out there listening, I hope you start to go, you
know what, I'm going to do some of the things
that like have been stirring in me that whether it's
this podcast or books or reading the Word of God,
which I hope is the ladder more than anything that
you reading the Word of God, you go, you know what,
I'm going to start stepping out and doing this because
you know, I always I've referenced that Mighty Man kind
of runs parallel to everything we do because it's such
a regular thing in our life. We're there every Saturday,
every camping trip in April, you and I are going
to be there, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about that.
Speaker 1: For the last five years, we've recorded an episode every week,
except for you know, like one or two weeks a
year where we're on vacation or something and we have
to record ahead of time. Yeah, and for Mighty Men,
we're there forty nine weeks a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: These are these staples in our life that we can
kind of like, oh yeah, And I think that's such
a wonderful thing because I think a lot of people
don't have those, so they don't really they lose track
of year's. So, you know, April twenty twenty third, I'm
leading a group that was bigger than the group that
I first went to camp with, and I had to
do so many of what I'd seen you do. And
I remember I spoke to I was like, this camp
was one.
Speaker 1: The first camp you came to. There was like seventy
of us, not even that, okay, yeah, sixty of us?
Yeah right, and so you're wht and me lead that, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: You let it like an absolute drill sergeant as well.
Speaker 2: I was preparing you all.
Speaker 3: I just realized that a lot of a lot of.
Speaker 2: Those sixty are still around. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 1: Fast forward to twenty twenty three, Nicks group inside the
bigger group. Knicks group inside the bigger group is the
same size as what.
Speaker 2: That group was. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So now I'm like, I've basically got to do what
I've I've got to do. I've Garrett for this proverbially,
that's what I am. Yeah, So what do you think
I did? I just did exactly what I'd seen done.
And this is what I think is such an unlocked man.
Whether you're around a group of great people or not,
you have at least, at the very least, you have
this podcast. I would hope that like every man would
have a group of men he can run with. At
the very least, you need to be plugged into a church.
There's so much wisdom in just doing what you've seen done.
And it's amazing how much more revelation comes whenever you
just do, Like there's revelation on the other side of obedience.
And I think we missed this so often because we
want to see it proven before we'll take the step.
So I now get this chance where i'mleading these guys,
and I, well, what am I going to do? I'm
gonna do exactly right style you do. So I you know,
we had all I mean, it would be a waste
of time to share it because for most these people
that are listening are never going to come to a
monument camp. But but when I did that, the why
kicked in so much stronger, And so now I'm starting
to go like, Okay, now what's happening in me is
I'm starting to change the way I see myself. I'm
starting to understand like I'm here to serve, so like
that camp was nothing about me. It was everything to
do with the people that I'm there to serve. And
guess what happens you start doing some growing fast forward
to another year. We do the athlon every year, which is, uh,
you want to be the biggest.
Speaker 1: We do a lot of fun physical activity. The athlon
is the event I first designed it as this is
the event I would want to compete in, and it
really and it is my version of.
Speaker 2: Who's the best athlete here? Right right?
Speaker 1: And it's a test of strength and endurance because in
the I mean it's the same way that CrossFit was
born out of the Seal teams, which was you can't
just be strong.
Speaker 2: You have to have cardio as well, right right, You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't just be a runner, you can't just be
a powerlifter. You have to be right It's this true
like warrior physicality, and that's what the athlon is. I
make these guys. I do a huge qualifier just to
get down to it. But all these guys have a
great cardio and they have the strength to chop through
a log, run with that log, swim with that log.
Speaker 2: So it's a great event.
Speaker 3: And it's it is a beatdown is what it is.
Speaker 4: So there's hundreds of guys that got to this championship
and it always gets narrowed down the final four, and
everybody watches the final four.
Speaker 1: So every year, there's nothing like there's nothing like doing
you know, even being in a grit like a big stadium.
There's nothing like being surrounded by a few hundred of
your peers watching you and it's you versus the man
next to you. It's a special experience.
Speaker 3: It is a special experience.
Speaker 4: And so every year I tried to get into that
and because you you hammered me about I had a
European soccer player's body. I can't remember how many times
I've heard that said to you from you. And it's
funny because like even in listening to the old episodes,
if I see video, I'm like, oh my gosh, it
looks like I'm looking at a.
Speaker 2: Different dear, your arms looked like my ankles back then.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, this is so it is.
Speaker 4: So you told me that like you need to put
on muscle because you need to give men something to respect,
and I was like, that's stupid. Muscle doesn't make you respectable.
Blah blah blah. Like I said, well, I didn't. I
you know, I just knew a lot of people who
were dumb that had a lot of muscle. Honestly, that
that was the way I thought. I was like, it
certainly doesn't mean that you're you're followable, but like what
I missed was that it also tells people that you're
strong and strength. You know, we all like to talk. Well,
I would want to help you on a debate. You
know what, sometimes someone's punched you in the face.
Speaker 2: There's no debate. Plato thought a little bit different.
Speaker 4: Exactly, but but I'm just giving a little bit of
where my thought process was at. So go to the athlon.
It's it's now twenty twenty fours a couple of years ago,
and so I compete every year, and like what would
kill me is I wouldn't get past the pull ups
or whatever. I'd fail At Like some point I was like,
I'm gonna get it. That year was was I made
to the finals of the athlon. I it was my
second time ever chopping with my life, and that showed
up big time. I finished fourth out of out of
the final four. So I just want to be very clear,
this was not like I want it all. I lost
to a ninja warrior, which is, you know, I I
whatever I lost. So but what changed was I realized
that the way my men perceived me had like it
was a real unlock for me. Like the way my
men perceived me changed massively, and I could still care
less about like the physicality. I was not like, oh,
like whatever, I wouldn't put it on my list of accomplishments.
But what I realized was that it mattered to open
up doors, to be able to reach people. And that's
something I care deeply about. And so I also got
more of a vision for what a man should be.
And as I've developed more of a vision for what
a man should be, I'm like, hang on a minute,
Like I listened to it actually today and today's Basic
Discipline training video you talk about David's final address to
his son says be strong, act like man, oh man,
or act like a man like this is in the Bible.
So now I can't just go, well, that's stupid. I'm like,
hang on a minute, Do I believe that God made
men to be strong? Or do I believe that, like
I can do some modern metro version of it, and
just that you're you're.
Speaker 2: A strong person. You're going to be strong physically correct.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean you know, you can be you
can have a triathlat body, which doesn't And I'm not
beating up triathletes, but these guys don't necessarily like look
super strong. They are very strong, very strong, right, so
be strong. That has to show up in your physicality
in some way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I want to head to the finish surgy.
Speaker 4: But like that was a that was a real moment
for me because there was so much of the intensity
like this, Like I thought to myself, Man, if I
could just make like my thinking before was like, if
I could just make it to the final four of
this thing, like that would mean something like I'd become
who I thought I like. I wanted other people to
see who I thought I was, and so getting into that,
I realized that their their view of me changed and
it was worthwhile to pay that price. What was so
funny was like I didn't change the way I felt
by the time I actually got to the point where
I could do that physically, I didn't need it for
me anymore. I wanted it one hundred percent to be
a blessing to those guys. Fast forward two years to
this camp. Just now, like we compete as tribes and
every year your brother in law tribe had won for
six years straight.
Speaker 2: My brother in law is a physical specimen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's recruited quite a few physical specimens to he has.
Speaker 4: And so every year it was like, let's beat these guys.
Let's beat these guys. And we got real close two
years ago and we but we lost at the end.
Speaker 3: Well, this year, we actually beat them.
Speaker 4: Finally, we finally beat them, so we we dethrowned them,
and it was this wonderful thing, and we had this moment.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: So we get up on stage and everybody wanted somebody
to beat them because like it gets the time, Yeah,
it gets annoying and seeing the same people win. So
our tribe wins, which was awesome. It was like I
could go into that, but it would I think it
would be more meaningful for the people in our group
than it would for everybody listening.
Speaker 3: But we had this moment.
Speaker 4: And the reason I'm sharing this is because think back
where I was before. I was like, these people don't
see it, like blah blah, and I'm like angry. Well,
we're on stage and everybody, guys are so honoring. So
I just want to beat This is them honoring, This
is not me deserving this. But like everybody's pumped because
like you announced that I'm the winner. I go up
on stage to say something that our tribe was the winner,
and I get to go up and speak I'm the
leader of the tribe. And so everybody like is cheering
and there going nick nick, and like they're chanting just
because it's like that's what we do. It's a bunch
of men, like we're all we're all like a lot
of hollering. Yeah, it's a lot of hight. And I remember,
like I looked at you and I just kind of
smiled because I was just like, Okay, come on, guys,
stop Like I wanted to get into it to say
what I wanted to say, because what I wanted to
say was I wanted to honor my brother Josh, who's
your brother in law, is one of my best friends
because he's taught me so much about what it is to.
Speaker 2: Be a leader.
Speaker 4: And it was afterwards I sat there and I thought,
I was like, you know what, me, when I showed
up here, not one person would have picked me. There
was no one, Like I said first ever Warrior Games.
I didn't even take part because I was too scared
of what it would have meant to lose, even though
I would have never admitted that at the time.
Speaker 1: And you look a little bit more Texas now. You
looked pretty San Diego back then. Yeah, thank you for
that commentary. That adds nothing to my store as you
were You're Texas at yeah razy yeah.
Speaker 4: Anyways, So, but like I sat there and I had
this moment of realizing, I'm like, man, no one would
have picked me to be like maybe not even to
stick around, let alone to be an influential person, to
be a leader in there. And but but God had
a plan and continues to have a plan on my
for my life and has put his hand on me.
And so I got this moment that if you would
have said to Nick five years ago, dude, you're gonna
be on the stage and all the money that are
gonna be chanting your name, whatever, that would have meant
to me. I would have been like, man, that's what
needs to happen, Like, yeah, that's the moment. And by
the time it finally happened, the only thing I cared about. Truthfully,
the story of my life is not like man, look
at what this guy did. The story of my life
is like God put his hand on me and said
your mind. And when God says you're his like you said,
you said.
Speaker 3: It so well.
Speaker 4: At the Begangie, you don't know who you are because
you don't know who your father is. When God has
his hand on your life and you journey towards him
and you begin to know him, you then begin to
know yourself. And by the time you get that moment,
if you get that moment whenever it comes, and it
will come, and you get to prove yourself. I didn't
need anything that was like that was very honoring. I'm
very humbled that those guys would do. I think they're
very truly, I think they're very generous to do that.
But I also know all I cared about in that
moment was I want to give honor to Josh and
more importantly, I want to give honor to God because
what I was hoping that every man would see would
be that if you're willing to pay your price, if
you're willing to seek after God, like you have no
idea what he will do with your life, and you
have no idea what how much of a blessing it
can be to other people. It's a story of his
grace more than anything. And I just thought it was
so funny that what's so funny about identity is when
you don't have one, all you want is that external validation,
and when you do have one, by the time you
get it, you no longer need it and all the
only reason you care about it is because you hope
it opens people up to hear what you have to say,
and that's the point them to Jesus.
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