Speaker 1: In the world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's
Speaker 1: and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's balls and teas,
Speaker 1: your passport to the golfing universe, where every swing tells
Speaker 1: the story and every part has its punchline. Get ready
Speaker 1: to step onto the large screens and dive into the
Speaker 1: world of diveds, drives and delightful better.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is the one and
Speaker 2: only Tony Town the Ball with a lot of player.
Speaker 2: I am a classic men. As you know, it is
Speaker 2: another Wednesday evening and men and man are so excited
Speaker 2: to be here with you. Guys today it is going
Speaker 2: to be a heated, heated, heated show. So I hope
Speaker 2: that your refrigerators are on and that you have some eyes,
Speaker 2: because you will definitely need eyes cold glasses of water.
Speaker 2: What we're about to do today is very epic, and
Speaker 2: I'll be joined by a lady who does not need
Speaker 2: any form of introduction. She has been doing golf all
Speaker 2: her life and she'll be sharing a lot of tips
Speaker 2: with us. She'll be letting us know what's happening in
Speaker 2: her space. So ladies and gentlemen, if it's your first
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Speaker 2: because once I start check into our guest today, you
Speaker 2: will definitely understand why you'll be sweating. I'll be sweating,
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Speaker 2: the conversation. So let's go for the two minutes, and
Speaker 2: then when we'll come back, we'll get into the head
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 1: In the world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's
Speaker 1: and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's balls and
Speaker 1: t's your passport to the golfing universe, where every swing
Speaker 1: tells the story and every part has its punchline. Get
Speaker 1: ready to step onto the large screens and dive into
Speaker 1: the world of diveds, drives and delightful better.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for staying tuned. As you know,
Speaker 2: it is the one and only Tony Tone the Magician.
Speaker 2: There is only one magician when it comes to and
Speaker 2: that is the Balls and Tease Megician. Listen, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: this is the hardest podcast, as you know, when we
Speaker 2: talk about God, we're talking about balls and teas. I
Speaker 2: promised you an extremely extremely heated show. I promised you fire,
Speaker 2: I promised you flames, and you will understand why. When
Speaker 2: I introduced our guests for today, please allow me to
Speaker 2: introduce none but the only Heidi Shannock. Hello, Heidi, good morning.
Speaker 2: How do you do today?
Speaker 3: Funny you, Tony?
Speaker 2: Oh good, thank you. Heidi. You know I tried to
Speaker 2: introduce you, but I think I was short of drum rolls.
Speaker 2: I was short of an on call, you know. So
Speaker 2: perhaps if you can reintroduce yourself and allow our guests
Speaker 2: or our audiences to actually understand who Heidi is, how
Speaker 2: the how you come across golf and what's happening in
Speaker 2: your space at the moment.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I am the lady captain of Lake Club Benoni.
Speaker 3: I've been playing golf for nine years. I'm part of
Speaker 3: the Exco committee at the club and I'm the league
Speaker 3: captain as well for the ladies league at the club.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So sure, how do you do all those tasks?
Speaker 3: Well, we we actually do it out of out of love.
Speaker 3: And I only started playing golf nine years ago. I've
Speaker 3: always been on the golf course. My parents were both
Speaker 3: good golfers, but also captains of previous clubs. They were
Speaker 3: both captains of Royal Oak, which then was called John
Speaker 3: Foster Golf Club in Blackpan m h and I had
Speaker 3: no interest in playing golf because we were there every
Speaker 3: weekend and you know, when you're young, it's not so
Speaker 3: much fun going with your appearance. Yeah, just such a nothing.
Speaker 3: But then later in love, I met ma fiance who
Speaker 3: is a great golfer. He's a one handicap is he's
Speaker 3: an interprovincial player for Ikulini and he he got me
Speaker 3: to golf and I have become mad about golf. I
Speaker 3: absolutely love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's quite interesting that you you didn't
Speaker 2: want to play golf for the most of time, and uh,
Speaker 2: your your your room. You came through and he swept
Speaker 2: you off your feet and you're like, okay, I'm going
Speaker 2: into this now.
Speaker 3: And that's that Romeo. He got a hole in one
Speaker 3: at a golf club. And then when I was playing
Speaker 3: on the same day, I was on the course and
Speaker 3: when I came in on the eighteenth hole, he proposed
Speaker 3: to me on the eighteenth green in front of the
Speaker 3: whole club. So yes, that's what we got engaged.
Speaker 2: At any point in time, you were to say that
Speaker 2: you're leaving golf, Heidi, I will personally come and look
Speaker 2: for you and say, no, ways, you are married to golf.
Speaker 3: It's not definitely am I love the sport. I absolutely
Speaker 3: loved the sport, and I just wish I started earlier.
Speaker 2: But now let let let's talk about the only club,
Speaker 2: all right. So, I mean you started playing nine years ago,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, and I just want to get an
Speaker 2: understanding of your typical golf day at Benoni Lake Club.
Speaker 2: How does it look.
Speaker 3: Like Lake Club? BERNONI was my first club I ever joined,
Speaker 3: and I've only been a member at Lake Club. So
Speaker 3: I'm a down route lake club girl. Everybody there's family,
Speaker 3: We absolutely love the club. So because I'm a lady captain,
Speaker 3: I'm usually the early an hour before. There's quite a
Speaker 3: lot of admin that I have to do. We organized
Speaker 3: the ladies cards, I check their handicaps, so there is
Speaker 3: a bit of edmin to do. We have a little
Speaker 3: meeting with all the girls. We have a meeting at
Speaker 3: a half for seven and then the tea box, the
Speaker 3: tenth tea box is for ladies only from eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: So we have a great group of girls. And we
Speaker 3: have a competition every Saturday, so the every Saturday morning
Speaker 3: early and if we go, you know, We've got a
Speaker 3: routine every Saturday, and that's what we do.
Speaker 2: Oh lovely, lovely. Now, I just want to find out,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're if you're there every single Saturday,
Speaker 2: and like you said, it's a competition, how many of
Speaker 2: those have you actually got in the bag thus far?
Speaker 3: Well, this past weekend I won the one like funnel
Speaker 3: and I think yes, and the weekend before I won
Speaker 3: the medal finels, So yes, I've won quite a few competitions.
Speaker 3: The medal final is the second time I've done it,
Speaker 3: and I've also won the individual knockouts at the club,
Speaker 3: so yeah, we all get a tune to win a competition.
Speaker 3: It's not just a few so.
Speaker 2: We have that's fantastic. Now, uh huh.
Speaker 3: We have a competition every Saturday. It is organized before
Speaker 3: on the Monday. Our ladies know what competition it is
Speaker 3: on a Saturday, whether it's Better Ball, Metal, Full Ball
Speaker 3: Alliance or RPS, so we mix it up to make
Speaker 3: it exciting for the girls. And yeah, we have a
Speaker 3: competition every Saturday.
Speaker 2: Now. I just want to find out, I mean, as
Speaker 2: everybody knows out there, whether golfers or non golfers, the
Speaker 2: sport itself has been dominated by male figures for a
Speaker 2: very very long time. Now, as a captain of the
Speaker 2: Ladies Club, I just want to find out what challenges
Speaker 2: have you come across thus far and what interesting things
Speaker 2: have you seen thus far since you started playing golf
Speaker 2: compared to back then before you started playing golf, to say, okay,
Speaker 2: what has evolved in the space between males and females.
Speaker 3: Traditionally at our club, the ladies were only allowed to
Speaker 3: play in the afternoon, and that also worked out for juniors.
Speaker 3: We have free golf for juniors on a Saturday afternoon,
Speaker 3: so the ladies were only allowed to play in the afternoons,
Speaker 3: and that it really didn't work out for us because
Speaker 3: you could go you couldn't go for breakfast before golf
Speaker 3: in the afternoon, but if you played in the morning,
Speaker 3: you could actually go for luncheon off the afternoon, so
Speaker 3: your afternoon was open. And I got to the club
Speaker 3: one day and I said, right, we are moving our
Speaker 3: ladies to the morning. And we didn't really have a
Speaker 3: pushback from the club or the men. Yeah, but we
Speaker 3: are much loved at the club. The ladies are loved
Speaker 3: at the club, so it wasn't a problem. It was
Speaker 3: just moving with the times and we moved forward to
Speaker 3: the morning field. No.
Speaker 2: And then this is something that I actually wanted to
Speaker 2: ask earlier, and it's regarding the successes you've had on
Speaker 2: the golf course. Right, of all the competitions that you
Speaker 2: played in, what has been the most memorable for you?
Speaker 3: Normally play the Eulogy Open and Close, which is held
Speaker 3: at Glendower Golf Course, a beautiful golf course, well looked after,
Speaker 3: top class golf course. I could say I could say
Speaker 3: that's memorable playing in that competition. It's a two day competition.
Speaker 3: I get to play with ladies from all over the
Speaker 3: country and I get to meet the most interesting people.
Speaker 3: I think that's a memory. My big, big memory for
Speaker 3: myself was playing Leopard Creek. I was very fortunate to
Speaker 3: play there and it was a bucket list an absolute
Speaker 3: bucket list course, mark the top, the top, top course
Speaker 3: that I wanted to play was Leopard Creek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, No, no, you know, I'm so fascinated in
Speaker 2: understanding your golfing game and how you actually navigate on
Speaker 2: the golf course, how you feel about your game, So
Speaker 2: please part of my questions. But I'm just interested to understand.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you had a theme song or your
Speaker 2: golf game had a theme song, what song do you
Speaker 2: think you'd actually attached to it to say, Okay, now
Speaker 2: this is this is me, this defines me, and this
Speaker 2: defines my game.
Speaker 3: I would say, girls just want to have fun, because
Speaker 3: that's exactly what it is. We all have fun on
Speaker 3: a Saturday. Although we very competitive. I would say, girls
Speaker 3: just want to have fun. You've got to see the
Speaker 3: brass golf as well. Golf can be very tasting, but
Speaker 3: that's what brings us back every Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then with that in mind, obviously having fun
Speaker 2: comes with its own ups and downs, highlights and the
Speaker 2: low fies. So in that moment while you're playing all
Speaker 2: since you've been playing, what is the most hilarious bread
Speaker 2: shot you've ever witnessed, Whether it's by yourself or anyone
Speaker 2: that you're playing.
Speaker 3: With, it's anybody that falls in the water when they're
Speaker 3: trying to hit a ball on the side of the
Speaker 3: damn it lake. I've seen it. People try. You say,
Speaker 3: rather just take a drop, and they're like, no, I
Speaker 3: can do it, I can do it, and then you
Speaker 3: will see them fall in. So that's definitely. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: laugh a lot, laugh a lot about it.
Speaker 2: And you know what said, I mean in instances like that,
Speaker 2: the first shot, someone falls in the water and then
Speaker 2: you say, okay, drop the like no, no, no, no. As
Speaker 2: I hit from the same spot again, they drop on
Speaker 2: the same spot. Yeah, they go in the second time,
Speaker 2: third time, they just get angry and then they move on.
Speaker 3: Exactly instead of taking they made us soon the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, if if you were to have any superpower
Speaker 2: right on the golf course, what what do you think
Speaker 2: it would be? What would you go for?
Speaker 3: A long drive? Definitely, a long drop, A battle with that. Yes,
Speaker 3: if I could hit my driva and another one hundred meters,
Speaker 3: I would be a very happy lady.
Speaker 2: You'll be shooting on the partner.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that's the idea.
Speaker 2: Definitely. And then now let's talk about your preparation before
Speaker 2: the game. You mentioned that you get to the cost
Speaker 2: earlier because you have to do a mean and all
Speaker 2: those things. But looking at your overall golf back right,
Speaker 2: certain players would like to have a bottle of water,
Speaker 2: power raid, some snacks, whatsoever before they get into the court.
Speaker 2: What would you say your most ideal or your super
Speaker 2: snack on the course will be.
Speaker 3: I'm a coffee girl. I'll get a cappuccino from Joe's
Speaker 3: halfway House every Saturday, and I have a bottle of water.
Speaker 3: I'm going a court some my coffee. I fits easily
Speaker 3: in the court with a bottle of water. That's my
Speaker 3: go to. If I'm stressed, I'll still order another coffee.
Speaker 3: I don't drink on the course. I'll have a drink afterwards,
Speaker 3: but I don't drink at all on the course.
Speaker 2: And then when we look into your golf back, what
Speaker 2: one club can you not play without?
Speaker 3: It's probably the most difficult club in a lady's bag.
Speaker 3: But that's my three wood. My three wood is my
Speaker 3: go to club. When I when I started playing golf,
Speaker 3: I couldn't use it. I just couldn't hit that club.
Speaker 3: And my fiance I said to me, if you don't
Speaker 3: hit this club, you will never get to the green.
Speaker 3: And I persisted and persisted and persisted, and now I
Speaker 3: hits it like a champ. And it was the best
Speaker 3: thing that I've ever done. Is perfected that three wood.
Speaker 3: I absolutely loved that club.
Speaker 2: And then now now, now let's talk about the golf
Speaker 2: a tire. I've had instances where people even tigglewoods is
Speaker 2: one of the examples that we can use. So whenever
Speaker 2: he was playing the Masters, he would wear his red
Speaker 2: T shirt. Do you have a particular act of clothing
Speaker 2: to say these are my luky socks? Are likey shirt.
Speaker 4: I we went on holiday once and we went to
Speaker 4: Skakuza and we got out the car and we wanted
Speaker 4: to play golf, and I actually didn't have a golf
Speaker 4: shirt and I bought we bought shoots there so that
Speaker 4: we could play.
Speaker 3: And it was probably the most expensive round because the
Speaker 3: shirts were so expensive in the pro shop. And I
Speaker 3: absolutely love that Skakuza shirt. It's bright pink and I
Speaker 3: love it. But I have a lot of ladies' golf clothes,
Speaker 3: a lot of shirts. There's such a wide range of
Speaker 3: golf clothing out the Marylyn from Marylyn's Clothing, She's got
Speaker 3: a lovely, lovely shirts that all our ladies support too.
Speaker 3: And I bought quite a few shirts. We have a
Speaker 3: club shoots that we wear, league shirts that we wear,
Speaker 3: so it is. I've got a lot. But that brack
Speaker 3: pink shirt of money is that's my favorite. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to par it too often, but that is my favorite.
Speaker 2: I would say that, and I would think that every
Speaker 2: time you wore it, you you feel like nothing can
Speaker 2: stop you. You you just hit your balls straight and
Speaker 2: you continue to win. While we were in that pink
Speaker 2: golf sh yes, I think so mm hmm, no, awesome.
Speaker 2: Now I just want to ask you something. Obviously, you
Speaker 2: leave golf and there's all these challenges on the golf course.
Speaker 2: I had someone saying to that, you know what, golf
Speaker 2: is actually a spot for psychopaths because you go through
Speaker 2: a tumil of emotions on the course and then once
Speaker 2: you're done, it calls you again and says you can
Speaker 2: actually do better than you did the previous eighteen. Now
Speaker 2: I want to find out from you. For as much
Speaker 2: as you've got strong points on the golf course, what
Speaker 2: would you say is the most challenging aspect of your game?
Speaker 3: I think bunker play. All bunkers are different. Some have
Speaker 3: got a lot of sandings, some have no sanding. And
Speaker 3: challenging for me is definitely bunker play. The more I
Speaker 3: practice it on bunkers, the better I get, the more
Speaker 3: confidence I have, the easier it is for me to
Speaker 3: get out of a bunker. But if I play a
Speaker 3: different course and I get stuck in a bunker, that
Speaker 3: just I'll just lose small my confidence. So I think
Speaker 3: practicing bunker player is very important, but it is a
Speaker 3: challenge for me because you can get stuck in a.
Speaker 2: Bunker and to be to be quite honest, I think
Speaker 2: that's a lot of people's nemesis because you do get
Speaker 2: those pot bunkers where you literally can't get the ball
Speaker 2: out no matter what you do, it just goes up
Speaker 2: and beg it.
Speaker 3: And I've experienced that many a time. Maybe Botsy and
Speaker 3: we play that course often and their bankers are quite difficult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know when you're talking about when you're
Speaker 2: talking about bunkers, and like you said, you play quite
Speaker 2: a bit at So I want to bring in something
Speaker 2: that I've heard from one of the pros. He said,
Speaker 2: you know what, meal preparation is always ideal when approaching
Speaker 2: certain courses, especially when you know that there's certain aspects
Speaker 2: of your game that you're struggling with. So he said
Speaker 2: he also has a problem with bankers, and when he
Speaker 2: gets into a course where there's like four bankers around
Speaker 2: the grillen, he knows it's going He automatically his mindseul
Speaker 2: in you know what, it's going to be a tough day,
Speaker 2: and he tries to escape those thoughts in any way possible. Now,
Speaker 2: do you also find yourself in spaces where if someone says, okay,
Speaker 2: let's go let's go play at a what's it? And
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, am I going back to
Speaker 2: those bankers? What am I going to do? How should
Speaker 2: I change my play? Do you go through those thoughts
Speaker 2: or do you do you just take it and be like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I will do my best when I
Speaker 2: get there.
Speaker 3: Well, not really, I love it botzy, so I'll normally
Speaker 3: play well on that course, So the bankers, if I
Speaker 3: get sucking a bankerd, is what it is, and I'll
Speaker 3: just move on. I don't tend to dwell on what's
Speaker 3: happened behind me, So if I've had a bad round
Speaker 3: Eddie Botsey, I just move on.
Speaker 2: And then now, now this is a golden key question
Speaker 2: and your your fiance will forgive me for asking this question. Right.
Speaker 2: If if you have any choice to play with anyone
Speaker 2: in the world, who would you choose?
Speaker 3: Who would I choose? Yeah, I'm a big I'm a
Speaker 3: very very big Target fan, so I think they would
Speaker 3: be on the top of my list. Definitely Target Woods.
Speaker 3: I'm big, big fan Gary Player. And then my life father,
Speaker 3: definitely my life for that. I would love to play
Speaker 3: around with him again.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: He was a great chopper. I'm following in his footsteps.
Speaker 2: Lovely.
Speaker 3: I've also got We've also got a bench on the
Speaker 3: fifth hole at Lake Club for him. I can go
Speaker 3: every Saturday and quickly have a quick chat with him.
Speaker 3: We put that bench on that whole because that's where
Speaker 3: he got his hourl in one. So yes, definitely my light.
Speaker 2: Dad, Lovely, lovely. And then if if anything, I mean, uh,
Speaker 2: if anything when it comes to to your to your
Speaker 2: game of golf. Right, if you were to compare it
Speaker 2: now to a movie, which movie would you say links
Speaker 2: up or matches his persona?
Speaker 3: I would I would say the good, the bad, and
Speaker 3: the ugly. Yeah, I would say that, because one day
Speaker 3: it's great, the next time it's bad, the next time
Speaker 3: it's so. And I mean that's as such as golfers.
Speaker 3: That's why we keep on coming back, because we know
Speaker 3: we can do better than really played last time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, I get that. I get that. I
Speaker 2: think I would go with I'd go with the metrics,
Speaker 2: and there is no yeah, there is not actually go
Speaker 2: with the tricks. Is that I lose quite a number
Speaker 2: of balls on the golf course. So every time you know,
Speaker 2: you know in the metrics that there's those alias that
Speaker 2: keep on popping out of noise. So that's basically what
Speaker 2: happens my my balls. Just I would say, Okay, it
Speaker 2: went straight to the fairway, and then when I get there,
Speaker 2: there's nothing, look in the rough, I can't find it.
Speaker 2: And then when I turn on the on the next hold,
Speaker 2: I would find it on the other fail.
Speaker 3: So you need you need a great caddy to help
Speaker 3: you find your balls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. And then another question that I have here,
Speaker 2: It's it's quite a silly question, but I think it
Speaker 2: makes sense. If your your golf clubs, right could say
Speaker 2: anything about you, What do you think the first thing
Speaker 2: that they would say about you? What do you think
Speaker 2: it would be?
Speaker 3: Probably shameless? Pollard is try and holds persistent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, you know, you know what I'm
Speaker 2: asking this question. I'm actually also reflecting on myself to say,
Speaker 2: if my clubs were to say anything about me, jeez,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I really don't know. Maybe they would say, Okay,
Speaker 2: he can go straight, but he decides to shank all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Well exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Not a problem. And then HAIDI we've reached the half
Speaker 2: way mark. Can we just go for too may break
Speaker 2: and then when we get back we will get into
Speaker 2: more questions. I'll make sure that they're not complex. I'll
Speaker 2: try to keep them as fine and light as possible. Okay, super,
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Commits. All right, gentlemen, welcome back to the second segment
Speaker 2: of our show. This is the one and only Tony
Speaker 2: Tone the Magician, and this is Bowls and Teas, the
Speaker 2: only relevant podcast when it comes to golf talk. And
Speaker 2: as you already know, ladies and gentlemen, I am joined
Speaker 2: by Heidi Shannack who is the captain for Benna Lake
Speaker 2: Club and this woman has been playing the best golf
Speaker 2: of her life for the past nine years since she started.
Speaker 3: Hidi, are you still with me, yes, Sir Anthony.
Speaker 2: One hundred Now, Hidi, as I said, second segment, it
Speaker 2: gets quite intense. I'm going to be asking the most
Speaker 2: complex questions and I'm going to put you on the
Speaker 2: spot many times, right, so please bear with me. Why
Speaker 2: not to be too hard, But it's going to be
Speaker 2: an easy cruise for you because I know you know
Speaker 2: your game. Right now, Heidi, here's my first question for
Speaker 2: the second segment. Right, if you were to play, or
Speaker 2: if you were to choose to play at any costs
Speaker 2: in the world, which one would be right at the
Speaker 2: top of your list? And why would you even consider
Speaker 2: that golf course?
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? August Augusta National one hundred percent, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was hoping you were going to say something
Speaker 2: else that Augusta.
Speaker 3: No, definitely Augusta.
Speaker 2: Why specifically Augusta.
Speaker 3: Because it's inaccessible to normal golfers. All the leaders I
Speaker 3: play these steep traditions, Mom, I myself have Augusta week
Speaker 3: in our home. And yeah, it's just the prestigious of it,
Speaker 3: everything around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean traditions and accessibility. Right now, let's
Speaker 2: let's let's go back to the essence of golf a
Speaker 2: lot of people would say that golf has a lot
Speaker 2: of etiquete. It's a very intrick spot. It's a very
Speaker 2: sophisticated spot. Now, we know, as golf us that there
Speaker 2: are rules and rules cannot be broken on the golf course,
Speaker 2: even if you're playing alone. If with that in mind,
Speaker 2: what would you say of all the rules that you've
Speaker 2: come across in the rules books, which one is the silliest?
Speaker 2: If I was to put it that way, to say, now,
Speaker 2: this rule is quite silly. It doesn't really make sense,
Speaker 2: or it doesn't really resonate with you that much, and
Speaker 2: if you had an opportunity to change, you would actually
Speaker 2: do it in the blink of an eye. Which of
Speaker 2: the rules do you think? I'm quite silly? To you?
Speaker 3: I'm a rules phonetic and often debased him with and
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'll go with the rules so and
Speaker 3: I'm also lady captain at the club, so I have
Speaker 3: to go with all all the rules. Which is the ruler?
Speaker 3: Don't look? Mm hmm, I'm not sure. Okay, I'll go.
Speaker 3: I'm a rules goal mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Now now I just want to find out. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 2: like you said, you started playing nine years ago, and
Speaker 2: you were introduced to the game by your fiance after
Speaker 2: many years where you didn't want to play the games
Speaker 2: while your parents are playing the game right now, for
Speaker 2: any woman out there who wants to start playing golf,
Speaker 2: what would you what would be your piece of advice
Speaker 2: to them to say to get into the game, this
Speaker 2: is what you think they should do or these are
Speaker 2: the approaches that they should take to actually get into
Speaker 2: the games.
Speaker 3: I would definitely go for golf lessons with a professional.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: I think golf lessons are important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, all right, that's fair. And uh we
Speaker 2: with that being said, uh, golf lessons. Obviously, as beginners,
Speaker 2: we like smashing the ball. I don't want to like,
Speaker 2: we really really like hearing the sound of a club
Speaker 2: or a driver when it makes contact with the ball.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's any specific part of golf
Speaker 2: that as a beginner you should focus on before you
Speaker 2: move on to the other parts, you know?
Speaker 3: I see people go straight onto the golf course and
Speaker 3: it is so difficult for the player to be put
Speaker 3: in that position. They should be on the range for
Speaker 3: at least two months, going for a few lessons, and
Speaker 3: the lessons from a professional. I see people going the
Speaker 3: boyfriend is teaching them, and he's teaching them all the
Speaker 3: wrong stuff from the beginning. Yeah, so I would say
Speaker 3: definitely a professional. I got a world of gold. Go
Speaker 3: there for few lessons, go in practice, practice, practice, before
Speaker 3: you even get onto the golf course.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that.
Speaker 2: Awesome. And then personally, your your favorite club just to
Speaker 2: relax and to have fun, not to play, because obviously,
Speaker 2: uh there's I would presume that there's a there's a
Speaker 2: favorite club when it comes to complexity, and there's a
Speaker 2: favorite club when it comes to easiness a play. So
Speaker 2: just to relax and have fun. Which one would you
Speaker 2: say is your most favorite club?
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. I like the rescues. They are easy to hit.
Speaker 3: I've got to two small ones that I'm very fond of,
Speaker 3: and for Ladies. For Ladies as a very easy club
Speaker 3: to use. Mm hmmm. Yes, so the rescues are definite
Speaker 3: of them both and get you They easy to get
Speaker 3: in the a.
Speaker 2: Lovely you know, I've personally tried to play. I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's just me and how I positioned my mind.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to woods, whether it's a three wood,
Speaker 2: a five wood, rescue club, hybrid irons, anything that has
Speaker 2: a bulky shape in my back, I try by all
Speaker 2: means to stay away from them. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's just my mind, because I focus so much on
Speaker 2: the bulkiness, and I think that when I get back
Speaker 2: on my on my swing, I'll off that ball or
Speaker 2: I'll just heat into the ground and the ball won't
Speaker 2: have any flights. So I prefer like club slops. I've
Speaker 2: been playing with blades for over ten years, and I'm
Speaker 2: not actually supposed to play with blades, but for some reason,
Speaker 2: I found myself enjoying them more than anything. And I'm
Speaker 2: basically saying this course, I'm of the opinion that fitting
Speaker 2: club fitting is very important, especially for beginners. You you,
Speaker 2: you would you would know as someone who interacts with
Speaker 2: a lot of players, whether they've been playing for a
Speaker 2: very long time or a short while. What would you
Speaker 2: say is the right approach around fitting for someone who's
Speaker 2: just going into the game off better? Yet, the best
Speaker 2: approach to actually purchase a set of clubs would it be?
Speaker 2: Would you say maybe just going online or go into
Speaker 2: a specialist in that field to say, listen, I'm looking
Speaker 2: for this, this is who I am and I need
Speaker 2: something that's going to work with me. What would you
Speaker 2: say would be the best approach around it?
Speaker 3: Thank you? So very important and a good fitting for
Speaker 3: a lady is very important. I know a lot of
Speaker 3: ladies that supply with clubs. It's not for them. And
Speaker 3: as much as they say yes it's the career, it's
Speaker 3: not the correct clubs for them. Ladies are both differently.
Speaker 3: We should be using ladies clubs. So definitely are good
Speaker 3: footing and you can start off small. You know, for
Speaker 3: any golfer to go to the the pro shop, you
Speaker 3: can find a great set of clubs. But definitely you
Speaker 3: need to get the correct clubs for yourself. And I
Speaker 3: know a lot of ladies play with men's clubs and
Speaker 3: it's not the correct clubs for them.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome. Now with the next question, Heidi, you played
Speaker 2: with a lot of people right now. If there's any
Speaker 2: fun fact out there about your game that you believe
Speaker 2: nobody else knows about, what would you say is.
Speaker 3: I'm very competitive. I'm extremely competitive. When I started golf
Speaker 3: from my fiance I said to mean you're not competitive
Speaker 3: enough for the sport and is creative a monster out
Speaker 3: of me. So I love competitive golf. Yeah, I think, yes,
Speaker 3: I am very competitive.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, you don't. You don't like losing at all?
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 3: No, and and applay league, so that that makes it
Speaker 3: even racist. I do not like losing.
Speaker 2: At all, if you don't mind me asking, I mean, uh,
Speaker 2: you know when you say you're very competitive, and considering
Speaker 2: the number of times that you've mentioned you for on
Speaker 2: certain competitions, right, how fast was it for you to
Speaker 2: actually drop to a single handicap?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not a single handicap.
Speaker 2: I was hoping you are.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I'm a good twenty six. I'm a
Speaker 3: twenty six handicap, but it's not the same as the mean.
Speaker 3: But I'm a good twenty six. I play league for
Speaker 3: the club. But yes, no, I'm definitely not a single.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not a single.
Speaker 2: But I was just pulling your name. You play league,
Speaker 2: you play competitions, but what's your How do you actually
Speaker 2: unwind after a crazy tournament or league game? How do
Speaker 2: you reflect and say, Okay, I did good, I did bad?
Speaker 2: And what precautions of steps do you take to actually
Speaker 2: address whatever might have happened throughout the day.
Speaker 3: We just go through it. At our club, we have
Speaker 3: a social event after golf on a Saturday and we
Speaker 3: sit around the ladies. We've got one of the biggest
Speaker 3: ladies groups in Iulini at Lake Club and then we
Speaker 3: all talk about it and have a few Gin and
Speaker 3: Tonic softwawards. Yeah, yeah, both golf and love you hate it.
Speaker 3: I love it most.
Speaker 2: I like the way you're saying golf is God because
Speaker 2: it's it's se so easy and it feels so easy
Speaker 2: when you play it because it doesn't require too much
Speaker 2: physicause straining. But at the same time, mentally it's a
Speaker 2: big challenge.
Speaker 3: I think. I think people can come onto the golf
Speaker 3: course and that can whatever has happened to them during
Speaker 3: the week or whatever's happening in their life just goes
Speaker 3: at the backack door. Golf can put your mind off
Speaker 3: a lot of stresses, and I can also cause you stress.
Speaker 3: But we love it. We love it at the end
Speaker 3: of the day. And it's for any age, so golf
Speaker 3: can start of you. We've got youngsters at our club,
Speaker 3: tony little kids playing and then we've got people in
Speaker 3: the eighties playing golf, So golfers for everyone.
Speaker 2: Oh now, let's go back to the Benoni's Ladies Club
Speaker 2: Lake Club. Right, how do do you guys have like
Speaker 2: certain criteria that you require in order for anyone to
Speaker 2: join the club, the Ladies Club or is it open
Speaker 2: to anyone who's interested in playing with you guys.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all you have to be a member
Speaker 3: at La Club Bononi and then have a handicap. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so yes, And then every Saturday we have tein tea.
Speaker 3: We've got a good following of ladies. We have about
Speaker 3: twenty plus ladies playing on a Saturday. We have a
Speaker 3: membership of over seventy ladies at our club. And yeah,
Speaker 3: we've got a good camaraderie of ladies. We have full
Speaker 3: league teams. We play Tuesday and Sunday league in two divisions.
Speaker 3: And we've got a set of ladies and they play
Speaker 3: also on a Tuesday at a club MHM. And they
Speaker 3: are much loved by the other members of the club.
Speaker 3: So the lady is full in everybody else. Yeah, every
Speaker 3: quarter we have three jackson a jaw and then the
Speaker 3: main members fart for the lady that they want in
Speaker 3: the in their football. And yeah, we get on well
Speaker 3: with the men at the club.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, awesome. Awesome. Now I'm going to ask you
Speaker 2: questions about you and golf personally. Right to say, apart
Speaker 2: from the competition aspect of golf, what role would you
Speaker 2: say golf plays in your life personally in the sense
Speaker 2: that are there any teachings that you've actually gotten from
Speaker 2: golf since you started playing, whether it's values or belief
Speaker 2: systems or anything that has been instilled within you through.
Speaker 3: Golf my life for the one said to me, if
Speaker 3: you cheat at golf, you cheat at lab and if
Speaker 3: somebody catches you cheating, they will never forget that. So
Speaker 3: I'm an honest golfer. Don't you cheat? And and it's
Speaker 3: so true because if you can think of somebody that
Speaker 3: you've seen has did something wrong, you'll never forget that
Speaker 3: person and what they did. I play league. I play
Speaker 3: league for the club. You know, golf is a sport
Speaker 3: about integrity and anybody can play.
Speaker 2: M and if you were too, if I was to
Speaker 2: ask you, like, do you have any particular goals in
Speaker 2: golf apart from you being captain and playing in the
Speaker 2: league and competitions, is there any particular goal that you
Speaker 2: have in mind to say, this is where I want
Speaker 2: to see myself through golf or this is where I
Speaker 2: see my golf being at a particular point in time.
Speaker 3: I'd like to play for the senior national ladies team.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 3: They have it every year. I'd love to play for
Speaker 3: that team once I've basically done everything that I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to be. I'd like to win club champs. I think
Speaker 3: that for any golfer would like to win their own
Speaker 3: club champs. I'd love to win club champs. One. I've
Speaker 3: won a lot of competitions at the club. I've won
Speaker 3: the medal finals, which is quite difficult. But club champs,
Speaker 3: I think that's on everybody's backet list. Two. One own
Speaker 3: club champs in their own division at least once.
Speaker 2: And I want to ask this question now, like if
Speaker 2: if you were to reflect right on yourself from the
Speaker 2: time that you are not playing golf till now, what
Speaker 2: would you say has changed a lot in terms of
Speaker 2: like you said, golf is as part of integrity, right,
Speaker 2: what would you say has changed a lot in terms
Speaker 2: of how you view things in general, whether it's in
Speaker 2: the professional space, whether it's in your private space. Has
Speaker 2: the perception of how you view things changed overall?
Speaker 3: The first the first two years of me playing golf
Speaker 3: was very difficult because golf is not a natural game.
Speaker 3: It's for a human and for me, it was very
Speaker 3: difficult stuck on a thirty six handicap for I think
Speaker 3: the first three years mm hmm. And then I just
Speaker 3: persistent and persisted and got more competitive. I think people
Speaker 3: need to play more competitive golf. But discipline is a
Speaker 3: big thing when you get to the golf course, go
Speaker 3: to the patting green, yeah, the drawing range. H yeah, definitely, yeah,
Speaker 3: that definitely discipline m hm.
Speaker 2: And if I'm as when you we're talking about discipline,
Speaker 2: obviously the format that you play in it's also part
Speaker 2: of the discipline of golf. Right, what would you say
Speaker 2: is your favorite format? Strop play, mesh play, oh.
Speaker 3: Match play, match play is mam. I am so competitive
Speaker 3: at league. Match play is mark is mar thing and
Speaker 3: I love it, absolutely love it. We are very fortunate.
Speaker 2: H You wouldn't substitute it for anything else there.
Speaker 3: No, I love match play. I absolutely love it. We
Speaker 3: play knockout at our clubs, so we play betterball knockout,
Speaker 3: we play individual knockout, and we play mixed knockout. And
Speaker 3: our love match play. Also with league league is also
Speaker 3: match plays, so I have a betable partner in that
Speaker 3: we play together definitely become a little tyrant. I love it,
Speaker 3: absolutely love it.
Speaker 2: Awesome stuff. And going back to the women's club at
Speaker 2: Lake Right, I mean, as the captain, do you have
Speaker 2: any place on how to grow the women's team day.
Speaker 3: Well, we have a development side at our club where
Speaker 3: we bring in about anything between ten and twenty children
Speaker 3: from Dayton on the weekend, they come and play at
Speaker 3: our club. They get a lunch, get to play that
Speaker 3: wasn't get to practice if they can't play a full
Speaker 3: round it they get to practice. And to see these
Speaker 3: children on a Saturday coming up the ranks, it's so rewarding,
Speaker 3: so so rewarding.
Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent. And you know, there's something I
Speaker 2: always say about golfers, to say that golfers have beautiful hearts.
Speaker 2: The reason I would say this is because we ask
Speaker 2: golf us we like people to experience what we experience
Speaker 2: on the golf course. We like people to go through
Speaker 2: what we go through on the golf course. And by
Speaker 2: so doing, we tend to extend our hands to say
Speaker 2: please come come, even if you don't know how to play,
Speaker 2: come and let me teach you. Although we're not professionals
Speaker 2: and we're not created to teach people, we just want
Speaker 2: to see more people getting into the game and going
Speaker 2: through what we experience. And I like what you're saying
Speaker 2: to say that you guys have a development side where
Speaker 2: you're bringing young people into the game and whether they
Speaker 2: play or they practice, you just want to see them
Speaker 2: experience what you have been experiencing the beautiful sports itself exactly.
Speaker 3: And if you Saturday, if you come to our club,
Speaker 3: you will see these children. These children at the club,
Speaker 3: the practice around the greens, they with their friends, they're
Speaker 3: out of the environment coming into the golfing environment and
Speaker 3: they're learning rules. It's just so lovely to see. And
Speaker 3: that's tiny little kids anything from six all the way
Speaker 3: up to eighteen years old.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's great, and we just everybody loves them at
Speaker 3: the club.
Speaker 2: Now, my last question for you today before I'll let
Speaker 2: you go, Haidi, if you were to just say it
Speaker 2: from the top of your head, right, what would you
Speaker 2: say is the most rewarding part of leading the Ladies
Speaker 2: club or the Ladies team at Benoni Lake Club.
Speaker 3: First of all, I've got the best ladies on the
Speaker 3: instrum and in We've got such a great group of
Speaker 3: girls and it's been a privilege for me to be
Speaker 3: the lady captain. I've seen juniors grow, We have seen
Speaker 3: a senior ladies doing well. We had three senior ladies
Speaker 3: being chosen to play in the Senior Arputee this year.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we are just just seeing the sport grow
Speaker 3: and whether whether or not it's development children coming through
Speaker 3: the ranks, or juniors coming through the ranks, or even
Speaker 3: the seniors coming through the ranks. Golfers for everyone, and
Speaker 3: it's for every age and I've been privileged to see
Speaker 3: all that and work for the club through that. We
Speaker 3: all do this on a voluntary basis, you know, being
Speaker 3: on the committee it's all. I don't get paid. But
Speaker 3: if you have a question for golf and anything is possible.
Speaker 2: I just want to say something before before I let
Speaker 2: you go. I mean, like I said, because the sport
Speaker 2: was highly dominated by male figures and women leagues are
Speaker 2: now starting to emanate and a lot of women are
Speaker 2: also integrating within the social golf clubs that's established out there.
Speaker 2: I personally want to say this about the Benoni Lake
Speaker 2: Club women's team. All the best moving forward and please
Speaker 2: continue getting those trophies. If there's any other club outside
Speaker 2: that wants to challenge you guys, I'm sure they're in
Speaker 2: for a good run for that money.
Speaker 3: They're definitely different. Our lady is a very very competitive
Speaker 3: at our club, and that's great. We've been known for
Speaker 3: our competitiveness. We've won league's often. Last year we won
Speaker 3: a league. The year before we won three leagues, so
Speaker 3: we are very very competitive at our club. We also
Speaker 3: got the reigning blonde Lady Golfer, she's the world champion.
Speaker 3: She's a member at our club. H And we've yes,
Speaker 3: and we've got the youngsters, the juniors that play RPT,
Speaker 3: we've also got them.
Speaker 2: So we're very.
Speaker 3: Competitive and we're very proud of our girls at our
Speaker 3: club as well.
Speaker 2: Mum, hum I like hearing that, you know, if if
Speaker 2: if anything else, I was going to say, I wish
Speaker 2: I could join the ladies club, but I do not qualify.
Speaker 3: I think the men in our club also feel the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Haili, it's been lovely having you and I
Speaker 2: just have to say thank you so much for taking
Speaker 2: the time to chat with us and to everyone around
Speaker 2: you who's allowed you there's time to actually have a
Speaker 2: chat with us. I know there's other things that you're
Speaker 2: busy with, and it's always good to hear from someone
Speaker 2: who leads and women's golf team to say, guys, we
Speaker 2: are taking golf, and we are owning golf, and we
Speaker 2: are actually making sure that more and more women are
Speaker 2: getting involved in the sport and enjoying this spot. Because
Speaker 2: this spot, like you said, anyone can play no matter
Speaker 2: how young you are, how old you are, what sex
Speaker 2: you are. The lovely thing about the sport is that
Speaker 2: it does not choose. You just have to put your
Speaker 2: mind to it and get into the game. So I
Speaker 2: like what you're doing. I like what your team is
Speaker 2: doing overall, and like I said, continue getting those trophies.
Speaker 2: Next time I have a chat with you, I want
Speaker 2: to ask you, Hidi, which one did you be?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 4: My gosh, Tony, thank you very much for having me
Speaker 4: on your show.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's an absolute pleasure, and I hope to
Speaker 2: chat to you in the near future.
Speaker 3: Okay, we sheldy all the best, Thank you, thanks so much,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: Bye bye. All right, ladies and gentlemen, so that you
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