Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to another headlessess Magical mail Bag. We have
Speaker 2: a special guest with me and Nick tonight, Debra from
Speaker 2: Paranormal Pardema. I think that's how you say it, say
Speaker 2: a lot of the people.
Speaker 1: Hi, it's Paradigma. Yes, but Hi are you? Thanks for
Speaker 1: being here? Yeah?
Speaker 2: This is great right, well, today you are kind of
Speaker 2: hosting us because we don't have any mail in the
Speaker 2: old mail bag. Again, gus got to send it in.
Speaker 2: I got it. I got it right there at the bottom.
Speaker 2: Headless Giant mail or Podcast at gmail dot com. Send
Speaker 2: me your story.
Speaker 4: The people send this shit in that They said that
Speaker 4: they were going to we have no problem.
Speaker 2: I know, I get so many dms appealing you just
Speaker 2: send it. It's right there. And then they asked me
Speaker 2: the email address over and over again. It's like, come on, guys,
Speaker 2: come on, guys, we're going to figure this out. So
Speaker 2: normally we don't do a symbol with a guest that
Speaker 2: we have on the show, but tonight I figure, since
Speaker 2: we don't have any mail, let's go through the symbol.
Speaker 2: So I want to I wanted to go with the
Speaker 2: symbol of meat. This is a Carthaginian goddess that I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people don't know about. So here
Speaker 2: we see it in tile work, right, So this is
Speaker 2: in Tunisia, which is where Carthage was, right, and this
Speaker 2: is the symbol. It's very basic. It's a triangle with
Speaker 2: the little crossbar in the head. It looks like kind
Speaker 2: of a take on the ankh symbol a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's like a fat ended ank. Right. If we can
Speaker 2: go to the next there, sure, there we go. This
Speaker 2: is what the goddess looks like in statue form. It's
Speaker 2: very different from what you see over there with that
Speaker 2: little seal, But that little seal, that little triangle with
Speaker 2: the circle on top, that's what they use to mark
Speaker 2: out the tafits, and the tafits is where the Carthaginians
Speaker 2: and the Canaanites would burn their children, right, So they
Speaker 2: were known for killing their firstborn sons. And if they
Speaker 2: didn't want to kill their firstborn sons, they would buy
Speaker 2: a little boy from a poor couple and then they
Speaker 2: would take the little boy to the sacrifice ground and
Speaker 2: burn it up. So there were some sick, cruel bastards,
Speaker 2: these are the Canaanite Phoenicie. We can go to the
Speaker 2: next one there. See, this is a stella right outside
Speaker 2: of one of these tafets where they would take all
Speaker 2: these burnt up kids, and they would always mark it
Speaker 2: with their little mystical symbols and the seal of Tannin
Speaker 2: right there. So, yeah, you'll find these all over Israel.
Speaker 2: There's tons and tons of tafets where they would burn
Speaker 2: up their children because you see, the Greeks and the Romans,
Speaker 2: they had outlawed human sacrifice about a thousand years before
Speaker 2: Carthage stopped doing it. And the only reason Carthage stopped
Speaker 2: doing it is because every stone was picked up off
Speaker 2: of every other stone when Rome finally went in there
Speaker 2: and completely destroyed Carthage. And this guy named Cato the
Speaker 2: Elder would keep coming back to the Roman Republic and
Speaker 2: keep saying, we need to destroy Carthage. They're a bunch
Speaker 2: of sick bastards, and so they finally did. Can we
Speaker 2: go to the next one there?
Speaker 4: Oh, same one again?
Speaker 2: Another one, Yeah, more of the file work here, and
Speaker 2: that's the same one, just from a different angle. But
Speaker 2: you could see, oh, oh, here's another tenant. What's what
Speaker 2: are those people doing with the tenant there? Weird? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's kind of the Catholic Church's take on tenant. And
Speaker 2: yeah they're they're still doing it still Carthaginians, no he
Speaker 2: sis Zelensky. Yeah, it's upsetting. Uh huh isn't it. This
Speaker 2: is a really interesting one right here. So this is
Speaker 2: Anderson Cooper right here. That's his crazy ass mom. And
Speaker 2: there's that that Catholic version of the tenant right there
Speaker 2: right over top of this guy who's being you know,
Speaker 2: burned alive inside of one of these topins. So Anderson
Speaker 2: Cooper's crazy ass mom tant at all of this Canaanite
Speaker 2: Phoenician artwork right there.
Speaker 4: Kind of Yeah, I remember when people were posting this
Speaker 4: like a few years ago going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to find out who that was and
Speaker 2: I found.
Speaker 4: Out, Yeah, that's interesting art. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's the goddess of human sacrifice. Again, she was
Speaker 2: a fertility goddess, so you would sacrifice your babies to
Speaker 2: her for more fertility. It's like, why don't you just
Speaker 2: keep that baby instead of But you've got the sacrifice
Speaker 2: of Abraham and Isaac that go along perfectly with their cousins.
Speaker 2: The Phoenicians who would take the first morn son out
Speaker 2: out to the burning ground and then sacrifice them and
Speaker 2: burn them up out there. But supposedly they stopped doing that,
Speaker 2: but they didn't actually stop doing that, So you know,
Speaker 2: the good stuff. So that's tannate. I hope people don't
Speaker 2: forget because it's going to keep popping up and get
Speaker 2: it again. You're gonna catch these candidates of all these
Speaker 2: elites with their little triangular tannate in the background, because
Speaker 2: that's what they're into. So how are you just what? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I want to know what got you into the paranormal?
Speaker 2: The idea of spirituality, spiritism and psychic phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah, what got me into it?
Speaker 1: Okay? What actually? So let me start.
Speaker 3: I've always been interested in paranormal or cult kind of topics.
Speaker 1: But more from a academic.
Speaker 3: Point of view because for a long time I was
Speaker 3: a atheist, so I didn't really believe in anything save
Speaker 3: for maybe UFOs because I had a UFO experience which
Speaker 3: kind of marked my whole life.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I didn't really.
Speaker 3: Believe in the and like the spirits and anything like
Speaker 3: that until my father died, and that was in.
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, and I'm at this.
Speaker 3: Point sure that he came to visit me before he
Speaker 3: let well, either right before he had left or after
Speaker 3: he was gone.
Speaker 1: And then that kind of made me question everything.
Speaker 3: That I thought about reality and why I was feeling,
Speaker 3: why I felt his presence or why got you know
Speaker 3: this hit, I guess this like intuitive hit that something
Speaker 3: was wrong. And then from there I just decided to pivot.
Speaker 3: I was in a PhD program. I was studying environmental
Speaker 3: science and policy.
Speaker 1: I was like.
Speaker 3: Maybe a year away from getting not even yeah, I
Speaker 3: was at the tail end of getting my PhD. And
Speaker 3: then I just kind of just dropped everything, reassessed my life,
Speaker 3: opted for a master's, and then kind of doubt, like
Speaker 3: just did a head dive in to more occult and
Speaker 3: spiritual topics given all my research background and academic background.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, a true scientist stays curious, so
Speaker 3: let me kind of dive into this world knowing what
Speaker 3: I know from like more scientific background, but using the
Speaker 3: research skills that I have to get into you know,
Speaker 3: the more spiritual stuff. And then I started realizing that
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff has been around for years.
Speaker 1: The information has just.
Speaker 3: Been suppressed, and we've obviously all been kind of controlled
Speaker 3: in a sense as to what we were allowed to
Speaker 3: know and what we're not allowed to know. So that's
Speaker 3: how it all sort of started for me. And I've
Speaker 3: been doing that now since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. And
Speaker 3: you know, when I really when I get into like
Speaker 3: the psychic stuff, I was doing tarot readings, and I
Speaker 3: had been doing that for the last eight years. Like
Speaker 3: I got really good at taro That started like helping
Speaker 3: me redefine my own I guess my intuition. That was
Speaker 3: really intuitive, but I decided that I wanted to take
Speaker 3: it a step deeper. Like I was like, well, at
Speaker 3: this point, well what else.
Speaker 1: Can I achieve? And I, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just you know, they say fuck around and find
Speaker 3: out I did. And I used dowsing rods. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: use dowsing rods to see if I can communicate with
Speaker 3: like entities. Definitely got some information on that, and the
Speaker 3: dowsing rods were basically my entryway into the psychic or
Speaker 3: medium realm, which I am part of now.
Speaker 1: And it's been a ride.
Speaker 3: It's been a ride, but that's how it's sort of
Speaker 3: been for me, it's been sort of like a progression.
Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily, you know, do that I have been
Speaker 3: doing this like oh my life or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It's something that I kind of came into through some
Speaker 3: very personal and deep experiences.
Speaker 2: So let me ask about your intuition, because I know
Speaker 2: I have very very clear flashes of intuition sometimes, but
Speaker 2: other times it seems a little bit hazy and less
Speaker 2: you know, connected. When you get a powerful feeling in
Speaker 2: terms of intuition, how does that manifest for you? How
Speaker 2: does that make itself recognized?
Speaker 3: Well, before entering into my medium abilities, it was just
Speaker 3: a sort of like a profound, like unquestionable knowing you understand,
Speaker 3: like it's something that didn't feel scary, it didn't feel strange.
Speaker 3: It sort of just came to you as a like like,
Speaker 3: oh well this is this is this is true, like
Speaker 3: this is what it is. So for me, it just
Speaker 3: kind of felt like second nature. Like I don't like
Speaker 3: I couldn't explain how to distinguish it. I know that
Speaker 3: it distinguishing it from anxiety. I just knew that my
Speaker 3: intuition didn't feel scary, if that made any sense. It's
Speaker 3: just it's almost like something that my body knew, but
Speaker 3: like and my mind you but like I didn't know
Speaker 3: how to describe it. That was before getting into what
Speaker 3: I am now a medium. Now, I mean it's at
Speaker 3: a different point, Like my intuition is very very ti
Speaker 3: it's like tied to my higher self. I don't know
Speaker 3: how to how to how to basically explain this to others,
Speaker 3: just other other than once you enter into this higher
Speaker 3: level of psychic ability or medium abilities, it's almost like
Speaker 3: if you've discerned it and if you've developed it, it's.
Speaker 1: Almost like one and the same.
Speaker 3: So like when it comes like I just know, and
Speaker 3: if I don't know, it's almost like I ask myself
Speaker 3: and then I like, you know, but I mean obviously,
Speaker 3: like this is not a like exact science, and even
Speaker 3: things in science things can be wrong. So it's just
Speaker 3: you know, learning from the mistakes and kind of mine tuning,
Speaker 3: which is like a lifelong process. But now at this
Speaker 3: point it's just uh, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's it's like a.
Speaker 3: Higher form or stronger form of that initial knowing.
Speaker 1: It's it's like I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, it.
Speaker 2: Is. It sounds like it's well practiced, like it's muscle memory.
Speaker 3: It is it is like muscle memory. But I mean
Speaker 3: that's a lot of psychic abilities or like even medium
Speaker 3: or any sort of paranormal or spiritual gift is is
Speaker 3: like that one. The more you practice, the more become
Speaker 3: sort of part of your being.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can I can agree with that.
Speaker 2: So what was it about tarot cards that helped open
Speaker 2: up that world for you? Because I got an answer.
Speaker 2: It's it's almost like the images can actually speak in
Speaker 2: a different way than like words or you know, visual Yeah,
Speaker 2: the person, you know, it's like the images are saying something.
Speaker 3: So interesting Tarot cards. I got into tarot cards because
Speaker 3: I started going on YouTube and I found some random
Speaker 3: lady that was doing At first she was doing this
Speaker 3: one woman was doing tea readings. I thought that was
Speaker 3: really cool. But then I found another woman who was
Speaker 3: doing tarot cards. And this was before the tarot card craze,
Speaker 3: like you know, just exploded. So this was back in
Speaker 3: like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: And so it was really kind of like a new thing.
Speaker 3: I saw that she had a pretty good number of followers,
Speaker 3: and it was just really interesting to me how some
Speaker 3: of these messages through the tarot resonated and as somebody
Speaker 3: who was an atheist and didn't believe in any of
Speaker 3: this shit. I was just like, oh, there's something strange here,
Speaker 3: like why why would this resonate? And so I decided
Speaker 3: to buy my own deck. I was living in the
Speaker 3: Dominican Republic at that time, so a lot of this
Speaker 3: happened while I was out of like out of the country.
Speaker 3: I was living in the Dominican Republic for my dissertation research,
Speaker 3: my field work, and I decided to buy a random
Speaker 3: deck of cards in a botica what they call it
Speaker 3: botica there Botanica, the Cubans called it Botanica, And so
Speaker 3: I went inside got these tarot cards and these were lapaniola,
Speaker 3: which are different from traditional tarot decks. But I started
Speaker 3: reading it and started learning and getting into the symbolism
Speaker 3: and everything. Then I noticed and realized how nuanced tarot was,
Speaker 3: that it was very much tied to a lot of
Speaker 3: esoteric and occult knowledge that I hadn't like previously known.
Speaker 1: So then that's when.
Speaker 3: I be as somebody who's like, you know, a lifelong student,
Speaker 3: like I just believe in learning, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, well, I gotta know more, and.
Speaker 3: I kind of just went into a deep dive of
Speaker 3: like the history of tarot.
Speaker 1: You know, why, what are these images? What are they
Speaker 1: tied to?
Speaker 3: The archetypes tied to the tarot, the symbols tied to
Speaker 3: the tarot, the colors, like just all these like this
Speaker 3: rich information that's just held in the like a little
Speaker 3: deck of cards. And then how this information helps us
Speaker 3: into it or discern or practice like our like our
Speaker 3: own intuition and our discernment, but also can help guide
Speaker 3: us in whatever it is that we are going through
Speaker 3: in our life through our association with the symbols and
Speaker 3: the information that's already sort of inherent in the tarot.
Speaker 3: And so that's how I started to use it, and
Speaker 3: I started reading the tearo a little differently from a
Speaker 3: lot of people. What I started doing was folk because
Speaker 3: I saw somebody doing I was like, this makes more
Speaker 3: sense focusing on the images and the symbolisms that like
Speaker 3: that stood out to me rather than the typical, like
Speaker 3: traditional definition of what this this actual card meant, and
Speaker 3: then sort of weaving a story with like all these
Speaker 3: cards and people really resonated with that, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's something here.
Speaker 1: And that's how I actually ended.
Speaker 3: Up developing more of my intuition myself, but also a
Speaker 3: deeper understanding and knowledge of the archetypes that the tarot
Speaker 3: has and how it is tied to the archetypes and
Speaker 3: within our lives. And so that's what I did, and
Speaker 3: that's what I do, beautiful.
Speaker 2: So were you drawn more to the major arcane or
Speaker 2: minor arcane when you first started getting into it?
Speaker 3: Honestly, both major ar kanda are obviously the big like
Speaker 3: you know, tied to the fool's journey, the hero's journey,
Speaker 3: So they're really definitely the bigger themes that we kind
Speaker 3: of as a collective experience. But then the main arkanda
Speaker 3: is really going to tell you a little bit more
Speaker 3: details about maybe some more individual experiences or personal day
Speaker 3: to day lives. And I think both are just as
Speaker 3: extremely important.
Speaker 1: If anything, I'm.
Speaker 3: Always going to be tied to the major kind of
Speaker 3: more and like I go more toward that, but that's
Speaker 3: because as a type of person I am, I'm more
Speaker 3: of a bigger picture person, So I just am more
Speaker 3: like attracted to the deeper esoteric meetings of these major archetypes,
Speaker 3: but the minor kind of.
Speaker 1: Are just as important. But yeah, that's me.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like all little events that start weaving
Speaker 2: the bigger events together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and seeing how they kind of interrelay and interplay
Speaker 3: with each other.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I love the elemental nature of tarot decks, Like you
Speaker 2: really get that sensation that there's all these different forces converging,
Speaker 2: and that's where you get fate from. It's like all
Speaker 2: these different lines, you know, crossing and then creating the
Speaker 2: energy for these events to happen. But absolutely it's something
Speaker 2: else when you've got the intuition to start following this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's it takes a lot of bravery right to enter
Speaker 2: space full time and be like I am a psychic.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's a big step. What got you
Speaker 2: to take that plunge?
Speaker 3: Well, for a long time, I had a lot of
Speaker 3: trepidation or sort of like I was averse to even
Speaker 3: calling myself a psychic, And I still don't necessarily call
Speaker 3: myself a psychic.
Speaker 1: Just because of the.
Speaker 3: Connotation that the word has, Like so like what people
Speaker 3: tend to assume that a psychic is, or like what
Speaker 3: a psychic should be, as opposed to what it truly is,
Speaker 3: And so I kind of shy away from using the
Speaker 3: term psychic. But I always considered myself an intuitive.
Speaker 1: And and something always.
Speaker 3: I don't know when I before my medium abilities, before
Speaker 3: getting into these, like.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I know there's more. I know that,
Speaker 1: like I psych.
Speaker 2: U she froze up. Oh no, come back to us.
Speaker 2: Are you there?
Speaker 3: I'm here?
Speaker 1: Okay, where did we lose me? I don't even know.
Speaker 2: Right after you got started started with what, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you were going to say something and then it froze up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're like leading into something to say.
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay. So I always consider myself intuitive.
Speaker 4: Oh you didn't want to call yourself a psychic and
Speaker 4: all that stuff too, Yes, I didn't want.
Speaker 3: To call myself a psychic. Okay, cool, So we got
Speaker 3: that part.
Speaker 1: And then so basically for a while.
Speaker 3: I understood that, yeah, there was like a degree of
Speaker 3: psychic ability, but I didn't necessarily want to be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm a psychic because I didn't really understand how these
Speaker 3: manifested within me.
Speaker 1: Because that's my thing too, like I kind of want.
Speaker 3: To understand what's happening or like get a good grasp
Speaker 3: to something before I start to like name myself like
Speaker 3: label myself understand because unfortunately or fortunately, how you look
Speaker 3: at it, labels matter to a certain extent, right, So
Speaker 3: but you know, once again, now, once I got into
Speaker 3: a medium and I started practicing like that was just
Speaker 3: like a whole other a whole other level of things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so let me ask you about your medium ship.
Speaker 2: I've been to a few spiritualist church meetings. This okay,
Speaker 2: this is in what's it called, I forget. It's a
Speaker 2: place in Virginia. It's pretty well known, but there's only
Speaker 2: like three or four like major spiritualist spots on the
Speaker 2: East coast. But they did you know, the spiritualist the
Speaker 2: medium reading right up there at the pulpit. Kind of
Speaker 2: a different experience, you know, Normally people associate this with
Speaker 2: like some sort of psychic show or something. But when
Speaker 2: you're sitting in church and the guys like the spirits
Speaker 2: are calling me to talk to you, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: this is a different experience. How did you get into mediumship?
Speaker 3: I was thrust upon it. How did I get into mediumship? Well,
Speaker 3: I told you, I was. I was like, okay, well
Speaker 3: there has to be more. I want to know if
Speaker 3: there's a next step, because you know, at this point
Speaker 3: I had learned enough and understood enough about this realm
Speaker 3: that I was like, Okay, well, all these people have
Speaker 3: these different types of experiences, like I want to I
Speaker 3: want to experience something more from what I've already been experienced.
Speaker 3: This is why I decided to go with dowsing rods.
Speaker 3: And that was interesting.
Speaker 1: So if anybody has any doubt.
Speaker 3: That dowsing rods are real, I can stand as a
Speaker 3: testament that they'd work if you know how to use.
Speaker 1: Them, and if you think that you know there isn't
Speaker 1: danger in there, there is. But anyway, what ended up
Speaker 1: happening was I was using.
Speaker 3: Dowsing rods and I somehow connected to my own spirit guides.
Speaker 1: That was fine, wasn't fine or what? It was? All fine?
Speaker 3: But I guess in retrospect everything's fine. But what got
Speaker 3: kind of serious and what things got serious was when
Speaker 3: I lent my dowsing rods to my sister.
Speaker 1: So she saw what I was, like, what was happening
Speaker 1: with the dowsing rods.
Speaker 3: My husband saw what was happening with the dowsing rods,
Speaker 3: and everybody was like, what the heck is this? And
Speaker 3: so I lent my dowsing rods to my sisters and
Speaker 3: I was like, go do your thing, use them, be careful,
Speaker 3: protect yourself, all these things, and I decided I was like.
Speaker 1: Like feeling withdraws. I guess, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: describe this. I was just like, but I need the
Speaker 1: dowsing rods. I need to speak to my guides. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I.
Speaker 3: Don't need the dowsing rods. I don't need to I
Speaker 3: don't need that. I'm a conduit. I'm a vessel, I'm
Speaker 3: the channel. And so I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 3: see how I can do this myself. And so I
Speaker 3: started doing that. I started sort of kind of getting
Speaker 3: into more meditative state and trying to see if they
Speaker 3: would answer me me but using my body, and they did.
Speaker 1: And for a while, I.
Speaker 3: Uh was just communicating with my spirit guides. It started
Speaker 3: off very like simple, rudimental, like however you want to
Speaker 3: call it.
Speaker 1: It was just yes or no answers.
Speaker 3: Like all I was getting was yes or no, and
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, cool, no problem. But I started
Speaker 3: getting more into ritual so more rituals and spell work,
Speaker 3: like more rich craft, I guess, but like not through
Speaker 3: any book or anything, just through what I was getting
Speaker 3: guided to do.
Speaker 1: And then at some point.
Speaker 3: I got sick, so not because of what was happening,
Speaker 3: but because now I'm connected to my guides.
Speaker 1: They're here to protect me. And they were like, hey.
Speaker 3: You got to go to the emergency room. And I
Speaker 3: was just like what. And so now I'm getting like
Speaker 3: words like some like some phrases coming through to me
Speaker 3: and like bodily sensations. I'm feeling things. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: this is weird.
Speaker 1: So I was feeling bad. I remember feeling bad.
Speaker 3: For a couple of days, and they were like, no,
Speaker 3: like that's it, you got to go to the emergency room.
Speaker 1: And I was like okay.
Speaker 3: So I ended up going to the emergency room. And
Speaker 3: it turns out that I like, my I don't oh
Speaker 3: my god, what's the test? I don't remember the test
Speaker 3: that they do after like to check if you had
Speaker 3: any blood clots or something like that.
Speaker 1: Afterwards, well, I came out a little elevated, and they
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, this is really this is really weird.
Speaker 4: I hate to interrupt you, but I've even said when
Speaker 4: I fucked around with magic a few times, I did
Speaker 4: it way too many times in like one week, and
Speaker 4: I ended up putting myself in the hospital, and one
Speaker 4: of my problems was my blood. My hemoglobin was through
Speaker 4: the roof and it was like clods. They said, it
Speaker 4: was like basically clouded blood. Same fucking thing. Oh, I
Speaker 4: think we lost the fuck she's frozen. Cah, we have
Speaker 4: to repeat that.
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm here.
Speaker 4: Did you what I said?
Speaker 1: I'm here. I heard what you said.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I wonder what that's like. I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's tied.
Speaker 3: But I know I had been feeling bad for a
Speaker 3: while because before this, I had been experiencing like some
Speaker 3: weird stupid.
Speaker 4: Ask her about the eye, Yeah, did you have any
Speaker 4: any differences with your eyeballs? Like my pupils would one
Speaker 4: would be dilated and the other one would be like
Speaker 4: one would be big and one would be small too.
Speaker 1: I didn't get that. No, interesting that you did, though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very happened.
Speaker 3: What's going on there? But I didn't get that.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, so whoa, I bet you froze again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a perfect time for a freezer. WHOA
Speaker 4: did you there?
Speaker 1: I am am high? Did you deal with something kind
Speaker 1: of dark?
Speaker 4: I huh, I was just meditating.
Speaker 1: Or or one of your guides.
Speaker 3: Did you experience something you didn't have anything dark in you?
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a pretty pretty beautiful experience.
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, interesting, Okay, we'll see.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so I I had been feeling just strange.
Speaker 1: I was. I was, you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that's called.
Speaker 3: Like the unknown disease that nobody can like diagnose because
Speaker 3: nobody knows what's going on with you, but you have
Speaker 3: all these symptoms. That was happening to me. And so
Speaker 3: I got to a point where like they were like,
Speaker 3: go to the emergency. Everything turned out fine afterwards, but
Speaker 3: they did see that I had some sort of plotting
Speaker 3: situation which then went away point is, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm outside, I'm now talking to trees. By the way,
Speaker 3: I'm talking to trees, I'm talking to plants, and I
Speaker 3: start to see I get they tell, oh my god,
Speaker 3: my god, I'm gonna sound so crazy.
Speaker 1: This is my story.
Speaker 3: I'm told that there's a being and I can't name names,
Speaker 3: but there's a being that wants to.
Speaker 1: That that's taking an interest in me, or so to speak. Cool,
Speaker 1: no problem.
Speaker 3: When I get sick again and I start feeling sick,
Speaker 3: I was like, well, now I'm a witch or like,
Speaker 3: I'm very witchy.
Speaker 1: I'm getting into all this stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask this being to come.
Speaker 1: And help protect me. Did all that.
Speaker 3: Didn't know though that by doing that, I would be
Speaker 3: opening up a portal two bigger things. And then suddenly
Speaker 3: I am kind of in.
Speaker 1: This place where I'm being tested. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to describe it.
Speaker 3: I kind of it was very traumatic because my family
Speaker 3: got scared.
Speaker 1: I was scared.
Speaker 3: My sister had to come and help my husband and
Speaker 3: my daughter. Because I was literally out for the count.
Speaker 3: I could not do anything. I was communing with spirits
Speaker 3: or entities for about three weeks straight NonStop, to a
Speaker 3: point where like I had to not go to work
Speaker 3: and my job. My boss is like one of my
Speaker 3: best friends, and she was able to finagle something for
Speaker 3: me so that I can miss work for almost a
Speaker 3: whole month while I figured out my life because I
Speaker 3: was experiencing things that I had never experienced before.
Speaker 1: People who are.
Speaker 3: In like shamanic religions or certain traditions.
Speaker 2: For example, have you ever heard of Terrence McKenna, Well,
Speaker 2: him and his brother when like they were very close.
Speaker 2: I think they were like twins or something, but they
Speaker 2: were living in the jungle and only eating mushrooms like
Speaker 2: psilocybin mushrooms, and that's all they are. Yeah, in the
Speaker 2: three weeks of nothing but telepathic communication with everybody around him,
Speaker 2: like they could hear his thoughts. It was so he
Speaker 2: had to go to the hospital and other people would
Speaker 2: have to do things for him because he was living
Speaker 2: outside of his body like the whole time. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: That is interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't do any type of drug, like nothing, I
Speaker 3: don't even do I don't do weed, I don't do
Speaker 3: I don't do anything nothing.
Speaker 1: So this to me was even crazier.
Speaker 3: And I think this is why my family freaked out
Speaker 3: because they were like, well, this is obviously isn't drug
Speaker 3: induced because I barely even drink and all this information
Speaker 3: was coming to me. I was getting images, I was
Speaker 3: getting symbols, I was getting words and phrases. I wasn't
Speaker 3: allowed to be touched. If I was touched, there would
Speaker 3: be a problem, Like it was really a situation. I
Speaker 3: find out later that you know certain certain beliefs and
Speaker 3: in certain traditions when you're communing with spirits, you're not
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to be touched. There is a protocol,
Speaker 3: and it depends on obviously what level of communication you're
Speaker 3: at and what kind of beings you're interacting with. I
Speaker 3: happened to be interacting with some really fucking high beings
Speaker 3: whereas people could not come near me, they could not
Speaker 3: come near me.
Speaker 1: So what ends up happening?
Speaker 3: I voluntarily, Oh my god, I say, my sister's upset.
Speaker 1: Everybody's upset, and.
Speaker 3: Okay, everybody's upset, and I voluntarily say yes, I say yes,
Speaker 3: let Baker act me. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 3: are associating. And you know what a Baker Act is now,
Speaker 3: so here in Florida, there's something called the Baker Act
Speaker 3: and basically they it's a psychic, psychiatric, and psychological evaluation,
Speaker 3: but in a mental institution. So I am mentally evaluated
Speaker 3: for about a whole weekend, which was not a pleasant
Speaker 3: experience because now I know and see what happens in
Speaker 3: mental institutions, and let me tell you that is a
Speaker 3: crying shame. But I made it clear I had a
Speaker 3: clear real of health. Like the psychiatrist was just like,
Speaker 3: I don't even know why you're here, and I was like,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: This is very kind of you.
Speaker 3: This is actually very validating for me because I thought
Speaker 3: that I was going crazy multiple like personality disorder or
Speaker 3: like you know, I don't know, schizophrenia.
Speaker 1: Was I hallucinating And it was just like.
Speaker 3: No, this just kind of sounds like a spiritual sort
Speaker 3: of experience, but like you know, I.
Speaker 1: Was acting normal. Everything was totally fine. Anyway.
Speaker 3: Point is after that May promises did things, sealed contracts,
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you want to call it.
Speaker 3: And then from there on I was told, Okay, now
Speaker 3: you're in so heal. That was that's all I was told.
Speaker 3: They were like, heal, Now you get to heal. I
Speaker 3: was like okay, So.
Speaker 1: I started doing that.
Speaker 3: And then once I got to a point where I
Speaker 3: was just like feeling okay and feeling better and like
Speaker 3: less traumatized, they were like, okay, start doing readings, start practicing,
Speaker 3: start practicing, see what you get. Because I really almost
Speaker 3: like lost it. I almost went into psychosis because I
Speaker 3: was like, this isn't real.
Speaker 1: This is not happening to me.
Speaker 3: I'm imagining things like this is not this is not real.
Speaker 1: Until they were like, okay, start doing readings.
Speaker 3: And I started doing readings, and then I started getting
Speaker 3: information from people that I didn't even know that was
Speaker 3: just like spot On and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is real. And so now obviously I've been doing
Speaker 3: this for about eight nine months now, so I'm not
Speaker 3: like exactly like the most prolific medium to exist, but
Speaker 3: I do medium readings for pay what you can prices
Speaker 3: and it's a way to help those that need and
Speaker 3: also a way for me to continue to develop my
Speaker 3: skill because obviously I'm still learning. But the way that
Speaker 3: I channel, the way that I do things is definitely
Speaker 3: different from a lot of mediums out there because of
Speaker 3: all the things that have I experienced. So I'm I'm
Speaker 3: definitely different from a lot and I guess that's why
Speaker 3: people are definitely interested in keep coming back, thank God.
Speaker 3: So that's cool because I do also healing sessions too,
Speaker 3: which is another whole other thing that I do with
Speaker 3: my abilities.
Speaker 2: If you check out Lily Dale Assembly, Have you ever
Speaker 2: heard of that place? No, it's I think it's up
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, but it's a it's a spiritualist retreat where
Speaker 2: basically they have training seminars for people who are mediums.
Speaker 2: So it's like they've got a whole big assemblage of
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of literature and stuff on that as well.
Speaker 4: That sounds like almost like a stranger things for adults, dude.
Speaker 2: Spiritual was the biggest religion back in the late eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: Like they had a lot of people into that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of knowledge there. Well.
Speaker 3: The problem, the problem that I have is that I'm
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I'm not a spiritualist, I'm
Speaker 3: not a I'm not in anything. I'm I know certain
Speaker 3: truths about our world and the universe that we live in,
Speaker 3: and I understand it, and I understand that all of
Speaker 3: this is one big thing.
Speaker 1: All religion is comes from one big thing. So for
Speaker 1: me to like sort of just.
Speaker 3: I don't know, abide by one or commit to one
Speaker 3: doesn't feel right because inside of me, I know that
Speaker 3: it's all the same. So I don't like if I
Speaker 3: were to go to like a spiritualist camp or anything
Speaker 3: or anywhere, like I can see good things and it
Speaker 3: can be like, oh, yeah, that's right, or well that's good,
Speaker 3: but then I'm going to see other things where I'm
Speaker 3: just like it's not like that, but okay, great. The
Speaker 3: same thing with Christianity, the same thing with a lot
Speaker 3: of different religions out there. I'm just kind of more
Speaker 3: of a you know, kind of a more holistic approach
Speaker 3: to a religion and occult and esoteric studies.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to really describe it.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not a spiritualist and not not in the
Speaker 3: traditionalist assent of studies. But that doesn't mean that there
Speaker 3: aren't things that vibe with me, you understand. So I
Speaker 3: can vibe with a lot of different things and a
Speaker 3: lot of different religions and a lot of different people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you can.
Speaker 4: Come and go as you please. Uh. One thing I
Speaker 4: did want to ask you, as you had like I guess,
Speaker 4: like your experiences you were talking about, like I guess
Speaker 4: like fleshing images of symbols and hearing things. Was there
Speaker 4: any time where when this was happening. Was it making
Speaker 4: a did you ever have like times was making sense
Speaker 4: of things that didn't make sense to you before? Or
Speaker 4: was it like bringing up things and like showing it
Speaker 4: to you in a different way where you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: now I understand that, or I get that, or do
Speaker 4: you get anything like that? Ye're almost like putting puzzles together,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: One of the things that kept happening when I was
Speaker 3: doing these things was like suddenly I had access to
Speaker 3: information that I didn't realize I had access to. And
Speaker 3: I was because as I was being tested and I'm
Speaker 3: being questioned, like I'm being questioned, as I have access
Speaker 3: and I'm being questioned, I'm like coming up with answers
Speaker 3: that I.
Speaker 1: Was just like, how the how do I know this
Speaker 1: and how do I.
Speaker 3: Know how to answer this in this specific moment. So
Speaker 3: what ended up happening was just like yeah, like once
Speaker 3: this information came up and I started to understand like
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff is already innate within your
Speaker 3: soul so like within your spirit, and it's just about
Speaker 3: access saying that and deepening that connection between yourself and
Speaker 3: your spirit. And that seems like that's what I was
Speaker 3: doing sort of like automatically when all this was stuff
Speaker 3: was happening, So when I was accessing it, like images
Speaker 3: and symbols, like part.
Speaker 1: Of me knew what that was.
Speaker 3: Example even today, like right now, if you were to
Speaker 3: show me something that I don't know what the it means,
Speaker 3: like consciously, I will, in my subconscious and in my
Speaker 3: soul know what that is. And it's already happened where
Speaker 3: like I've read something in Latin on a church, or
Speaker 3: i read something in Latin in a like online on
Speaker 3: a screen, and I involuntarily vow in reverence to the
Speaker 3: thing that I don't understand, and then I.
Speaker 1: Go and I go on my translating. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is this?
Speaker 3: And then it happens to be like a verse from
Speaker 3: the Bible or something in Latin that I didn't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I do that? Ask me.
Speaker 2: Maybe almost spirits of the internet are not happy.
Speaker 3: No, they probably they won't be happy, some of them,
Speaker 3: am I here? Yeah, yeah, oh okay, yeah, So certain
Speaker 3: things in church, certain symbols or stuff like I will see.
Speaker 1: It go like this has never happened to me before.
Speaker 3: But as the priest comes in with this thing which
Speaker 3: I don't know what it's called, but he comes in
Speaker 3: with this huge book and all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: I'm like bowing to this book and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck that is.
Speaker 3: I'm not religious, so like it's just like things like
Speaker 3: that that like I do out of just my soul's
Speaker 3: knowledge of what these spiritual symbols are, I just bowed
Speaker 3: to the symbol of tenant.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: Like you can check in your thing. I bow to
Speaker 3: this thing in reverence.
Speaker 1: I don't know what is that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but here we are, and these are
Speaker 3: certain things that now, these are part of my abilities.
Speaker 3: I also my ability as a medium is to channel
Speaker 3: consciousness directly to you. I can kind of one entity,
Speaker 3: your spirit guide of any sort of entity, and I
Speaker 3: serve as a divine channel to you. You speak to
Speaker 3: them through me. It's not like I get images and
Speaker 3: words and I'm like, oh, does this mean this or
Speaker 3: does this you understand this or I'm hearing this. No, No,
Speaker 3: I don't get that. It is a divine straight thing from.
Speaker 1: Them to you through me. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: explain that. I don't know what. That's just what I do.
Speaker 1: That's where I am now.
Speaker 3: And then again, when I don't understand something, even though
Speaker 3: my soul and understands it, I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I look for it and then like I will feel deeply.
Speaker 1: I can feel things.
Speaker 3: That I can't even explain about events that I don't understand.
Speaker 1: But that's how it is, though.
Speaker 2: Interesting, So it's almost like there's a different flavor to
Speaker 2: the world around you.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's many flavors, yes, especially when I can talk
Speaker 3: to different beings and entities.
Speaker 1: It's really strange when you walk around For a while.
Speaker 1: I was so open. I could go to a.
Speaker 3: Grocery store and like, my god, I would go to
Speaker 3: a grocery store and the energy of people I knew
Speaker 3: right off the bat if they were like a like
Speaker 3: decent person or not, and if they were really like nasty,
Speaker 3: I would physically like shy, like like push myself away
Speaker 3: from this thing, or if things were dirty too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then also like beings coming up to me and
Speaker 3: being like I wasn't saying Augustine. For example, I was
Speaker 3: in Saint Augustine. I love Saint Augustine. Saint Augustine is
Speaker 3: probably one of my favorite places on this earth. I'm
Speaker 3: doing something that I've done before, which is to the
Speaker 3: uh Fort the cat.
Speaker 1: I'm with my I'm with my husband, I'm with my daughter.
Speaker 3: I enter this little room and I'm like, hey, cool
Speaker 3: this that I'm leaving. And as I'm leaving, I get
Speaker 3: like pinged and I'm like looking at and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I'm looking at this. There's nothing in front
Speaker 3: of me, obviously, because I can't see them physically, but
Speaker 3: I know where they are in a room, so I
Speaker 3: can detect spirits anywhere in a room. So anyway, I'm
Speaker 3: here and I see this, this, this, this being in
Speaker 3: front of me, and I'm like, in my third eye,
Speaker 3: I see it and it's a soldier and he's just
Speaker 3: looking at me, and I'm looking at him. And my
Speaker 3: husband's like, what the fuck is happening, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: somebody's here and so and then obviously now I have
Speaker 3: this I don't know what era soldier speaking to me,
Speaker 3: and he he's freaking out. He's like, how can you
Speaker 3: do this? And I was like, I don't know. He's like,
Speaker 3: you can see me, and I'm like, yes, I can't,
Speaker 3: not really, but I can. And then he starts telling
Speaker 3: me about why he stayed and how it's just been
Speaker 3: home for him for a long time and he hasn't
Speaker 3: seen his family and he's afraid to see his family
Speaker 3: because it's been so long and he's.
Speaker 1: Been on Earth but there over there in the other world.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, I'm so sorry, and things like that that
Speaker 3: I had to start to like learn how to like
Speaker 3: tune down because I was just going into places and
Speaker 3: being were just coming to me.
Speaker 2: I was like, guys, I thought you were going to
Speaker 2: talk about Robert the Doll.
Speaker 1: I think he wes.
Speaker 2: He got he got cursed by Robert the Doll.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the guys on the show years Yeah,
Speaker 4: jj Vans from the he's on the ecul Rejects and
Speaker 4: he has his own podcast, Operation GCD. He went and
Speaker 4: took a picture of him. He wasn't supposed too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert is a real cursed artifact.
Speaker 4: I can tell you from the two years I've known
Speaker 4: him personally, I think he may be cursed.
Speaker 2: He might be right.
Speaker 3: No, I did visit Robert, but I was very I
Speaker 3: was very respectful, even though I didn't really believe in it.
Speaker 3: I was still kind of like part of me was
Speaker 3: just like, well, anyway, sorry, Robert cool, Like you're cool,
Speaker 3: thanks for letting me be here and see you. But
Speaker 3: at that point I wasn't I definitely wasn't open yet.
Speaker 3: So so Robert is real.
Speaker 2: We were thinking about going down there and giving him
Speaker 2: all twelve years man, twelve years curse, give.
Speaker 4: Him a leg drop in the parking lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, show that dollars boss.
Speaker 4: That is funny. Uh yeah, Deborah. I have to say though,
Speaker 4: that whole we're talking about, like the images and the
Speaker 4: understandings of things, that that is something that I say
Speaker 4: that I have experienced. I thought, you know, myself, and
Speaker 4: I even saw Lucy and Danielle the people in the
Speaker 4: chat saying I think kind of like it's it's almost
Speaker 4: like you just tap into this like all knowing, right
Speaker 4: consciousness that just it's like how do I know this?
Speaker 4: But it's almost like it's so profound, you know, for me,
Speaker 4: it's that's how you know. It's like a knowing and
Speaker 4: it's not a belief, and it's like somehow the way
Speaker 4: it makes sense in your head is like, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: very it's very wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, and it's beautiful and also scary, but
Speaker 3: it's mostly beautiful.
Speaker 4: Times when you're like I wish you would shut off,
Speaker 4: but it was ever times like maybe it might be
Speaker 4: happening so much, or like I wish it would calm down,
Speaker 4: or do you ever like find yourself.
Speaker 1: Like how do you bind me? I am? I am bound?
Speaker 3: I had to Okay, I don't know how to describe this.
Speaker 3: It's just so crazy. The things that I was knowing
Speaker 3: and the information I was accessing was too much, too fast,
Speaker 3: and I was literally told like slow your role. I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, I don't even know what I'm doing
Speaker 3: or how I'm doing it, and so I was they
Speaker 3: were kind of just like they.
Speaker 1: They helped me tone it down.
Speaker 3: But by helping me tone it down, there's a level
Speaker 3: of binding that has to occur. So that's sort of
Speaker 3: where it is now. I'm slowly starting to like try
Speaker 3: to like pick up certain things.
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at now. But it's.
Speaker 3: It's strange, and you know, what's what's interesting is like,
Speaker 3: I know, I talk about this and I'm saying this,
Speaker 3: and there's probably people out there that probably won't believe.
Speaker 1: It, and that's fine.
Speaker 3: But one of the things that this made me realize
Speaker 3: as I was going through this was like, wow, how
Speaker 3: many people who have psychic abilities and who have medium
Speaker 3: abilities don't have support systems? Thing goes you understand, like
Speaker 3: where is the support? Because I couldn't find a way
Speaker 3: to support me. I'm now separating from my husband or
Speaker 3: I've separated from my husband because he just could.
Speaker 1: Not handle this.
Speaker 3: Do you understand and I'm like, what do you want
Speaker 3: me to do? Like just turn it off? Like I tried.
Speaker 3: I tried to turn this off. I tried to be like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't want this gift. But that's not how it works,
Speaker 3: you understand. And now, obviously I'm in service, and that's
Speaker 3: how it's supposed to be. But how do you support
Speaker 3: others where like they're going through these existential and spiritual
Speaker 3: crisis twist or en level where they don't have anybody
Speaker 3: to talk to, they feel like they're going crazy when
Speaker 3: they're not, when you're just remembering who you are. And
Speaker 3: that that's what I find that we don't have much of,
Speaker 3: and that's well, hopefully that'll be in my future to
Speaker 3: help others with that was scary.
Speaker 2: Like I was saying that lily Dale Assembly is like
Speaker 2: a support system for people like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's in Massachusetts. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: You might be able to email them. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure they probably get on the phone too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, But I definitely see that there is a
Speaker 3: need for that more of that and in a different
Speaker 3: type of way, and then in a way that supports
Speaker 3: people's beliefs too. And it doesn't necessarily have to be like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're just a spiritualist or oh you're just a Christian,
Speaker 3: like you know, it should be a little thing. And
Speaker 3: them are more inclusive.
Speaker 2: They're very non denominational. They don't really have the whole idea. Well,
Speaker 2: what they wanted to do is they wanted to combine
Speaker 2: religion and science, and that's really what the spiritualist movement was.
Speaker 2: So they wanted to try and use the powers of
Speaker 2: the mind to essentially access the other side it you know,
Speaker 2: plays out how you see it on TV. That's the
Speaker 2: exact same thing that they do. But the difference is,
Speaker 2: I think is that they started doing it as a
Speaker 2: you know, nonprofit or a church situation basically it but
Speaker 2: all of the have you ever seen any of the
Speaker 2: old seance stuff, because there's actually a lot of valuable
Speaker 2: stuff in there. Was it all just fake? You know,
Speaker 2: there was actually other stuff? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's the thing, and that's what people tend
Speaker 3: to think of when you think medium or psychic, they
Speaker 3: think of this movie type or you know, this stereotype
Speaker 3: of a psychic or a medium. Like people looking at
Speaker 3: me down the street, ever gonna assume that I have
Speaker 3: abilities which is fine for me, like you know, and
Speaker 3: that's fine, but there's a lot of this like focus.
Speaker 2: Damn, oh you know, oh.
Speaker 1: This is no no, I'm here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of hocus focus or like theatrical
Speaker 3: stuff associated with a lot of mediums.
Speaker 2: And oh man, well I just wanted to say, shout out, Vanessa,
Speaker 2: he's where in your shirt she was commenting earlier. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much, Vanessa. I got mine too, I just
Speaker 2: didn't wear it tonight. Oh also I got this. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: the books.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we lost you for a second.
Speaker 2: There are we lost you for a second.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm here The dow of Top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Ethan Goes book, The Towel of Thought,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get into that pretty soon. But
Speaker 2: it sounds really cool. Thank you. If you want to
Speaker 2: check him out, go over to the Occult Researcher Institute.
Speaker 2: That's your And he's got tons of articles out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got a bunch of stuff on there. And
Speaker 4: uh yes, he's got a ship ton of books. He's
Speaker 4: actually going to start coming on the occult rejects and
Speaker 4: covering some of them. I told him, like, this is crazy, dude,
Speaker 4: you got all these books promote them. So yeah, and
Speaker 4: he sent one to like you, we offered to someone
Speaker 4: to all the occult rejects too, So I mean that's
Speaker 4: a lot of people. So sorry about that.
Speaker 2: You're back, No, you're back.
Speaker 1: I'm here. Thanks. Yeah, well I don't know where where.
Speaker 3: Do we live?
Speaker 4: You're just saying, I guess basically just leaving it off that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of fucker rein hoocus pocus bullshit out
Speaker 4: there too that you have to worry about.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh yeah, and that's what I have to contend
Speaker 3: with idiots online.
Speaker 4: Isn't that the worst? How It's like when you have
Speaker 4: someone who's like authentic, it's like you almost sound like
Speaker 4: the shill because what other people already believing in is
Speaker 4: so silly. Your shit just like what you're trying to
Speaker 4: fucking I don't want to listen to all this forget
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like
Speaker 4: that like very silly stuff is like considered gospel and
Speaker 4: like people actually have some real deep ship to share
Speaker 4: and experiences. It's just like, oh, it's fucking made up,
Speaker 4: or you're crazy, or they just don't want to listen
Speaker 4: that long. It's it's if it's beyond the meme. It
Speaker 4: doesn't you know, it doesn't apply.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll go ahead, No, I just agreed.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they're gonna there's this final frontier aspect
Speaker 2: to the paranormal and psychic abilities and all the rest
Speaker 2: of that stuff that I think is going to start
Speaker 2: changing people into looking more in that direction. Because we're
Speaker 2: not getting the mars. You know, things are gonna get
Speaker 2: a lot worse, and we have to turn to the
Speaker 2: things like the powers of the mind to actually achieve
Speaker 2: and overcome certain things. You know, that's that can be
Speaker 2: very important in the very near future. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of independent researchers are looking into it, but
Speaker 2: not a lot of institutional people. But we're seeing the
Speaker 2: money start to shift too. So if we can get
Speaker 2: more investors thinking about how to fund the paranormal research
Speaker 2: necessary to actually make breakthroughs, we can see a different horizon.
Speaker 1: You know, this is an interesting topic because it's already
Speaker 1: it's already being done right.
Speaker 3: Like you have the Munroe Institute, you have ions, you
Speaker 3: have people like.
Speaker 1: Doctor Dean Rayden.
Speaker 3: And doctor Thomas Rabrion in the parapsychology that are these
Speaker 3: things are being done right. The problem is that it's
Speaker 3: not mainstream, and it's not mainstream for a reason. And
Speaker 3: a lot of this work has been coming from like
Speaker 3: ages and eons, where like they've literally been telling us
Speaker 3: that our minds are what creates this reality, you understand,
Speaker 3: So everything is psychological, everything comes from the psyche. And
Speaker 3: if you really get into like the quantum physics of
Speaker 3: stuff and everything, like, you understand that, like we're just
Speaker 3: vibrating atoms at a certain point, do you understand. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, all of this the power of the mind
Speaker 3: is so profound that I think it's obvious at least
Speaker 3: to me now, especially with what I know, Like it's
Speaker 3: obvious to me that it's been suppressed, and it's all
Speaker 3: to me that you know, it's not something that they
Speaker 3: want the masses to know because can you imagine eight
Speaker 3: plus billion people awakening to themselves and becoming autonomous beings,
Speaker 3: you know, Like.
Speaker 1: That's just.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, like it's it's not going to
Speaker 3: benefit those certain people that have had this, you know,
Speaker 3: and check for a while, right, So yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think they find it terrifying.
Speaker 3: But it is terrifying because well not this is why
Speaker 3: not everybody has access to this either because it can
Speaker 3: be something that people misconstrue and corrupt and just like
Speaker 3: anything right.
Speaker 1: Like there's there's light in there.
Speaker 3: There's two sides to everything, so it just you just
Speaker 3: have to be careful. Not everybody's ready for the type
Speaker 3: of stuff, unfortunately, but it is getting there. Like you said,
Speaker 3: people are coming into and realizing that there is truth
Speaker 3: further than what we've been told.
Speaker 1: So let's see what happens. I'm here for it though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just got to get Rupert Sheldrake on the show.
Speaker 4: I told them I'm not giving up, and I'm emailing
Speaker 4: them again. Eventually he'll come on just so I stop
Speaker 4: emailing them, maybe ye, or I'll just be like, you know, you're.
Speaker 2: Blocked, all right. Thank you so much, Deborah for joining us.
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