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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen. What?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome everybody to another headlessess Magical mail Bag. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a special guest with me and Nick tonight, Debra from

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<v Speaker 2>Paranormal Pardema. I think that's how you say it, say

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, it's Paradigma. Yes, but Hi are you? Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>being here? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>This is great right, well, today you are kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hosting us because we don't have any mail in the

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<v Speaker 2>old mail bag. Again, gus got to send it in.

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<v Speaker 2>I got it. I got it right there at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>Headless Giant mail or Podcast at gmail dot com. Send

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<v Speaker 2>me your story.

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<v Speaker 4>The people send this shit in that They said that

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<v Speaker 4>they were going to we have no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I get so many dms appealing you just

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<v Speaker 2>send it. It's right there. And then they asked me

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<v Speaker 2>the email address over and over again. It's like, come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, guys, we're going to figure this out. So

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<v Speaker 2>normally we don't do a symbol with a guest that

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<v Speaker 2>we have on the show, but tonight I figure, since

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have any mail, let's go through the symbol.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to I wanted to go with the

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<v Speaker 2>symbol of meat. This is a Carthaginian goddess that I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people don't know about. So here

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<v Speaker 2>we see it in tile work, right, So this is

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<v Speaker 2>in Tunisia, which is where Carthage was, right, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the symbol. It's very basic. It's a triangle with

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<v Speaker 2>the little crossbar in the head. It looks like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a take on the ankh symbol a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a fat ended ank. Right. If we can

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<v Speaker 2>go to the next there, sure, there we go. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what the goddess looks like in statue form. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very different from what you see over there with that

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<v Speaker 2>little seal, But that little seal, that little triangle with

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<v Speaker 2>the circle on top, that's what they use to mark

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<v Speaker 2>out the tafits, and the tafits is where the Carthaginians

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<v Speaker 2>and the Canaanites would burn their children, right, So they

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<v Speaker 2>were known for killing their firstborn sons. And if they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to kill their firstborn sons, they would buy

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<v Speaker 2>a little boy from a poor couple and then they

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<v Speaker 2>would take the little boy to the sacrifice ground and

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<v Speaker 2>burn it up. So there were some sick, cruel bastards,

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<v Speaker 2>these are the Canaanite Phoenicie. We can go to the

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<v Speaker 2>next one there. See, this is a stella right outside

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<v Speaker 2>of one of these tafets where they would take all

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<v Speaker 2>these burnt up kids, and they would always mark it

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<v Speaker 2>with their little mystical symbols and the seal of Tannin

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<v Speaker 2>right there. So, yeah, you'll find these all over Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>There's tons and tons of tafets where they would burn

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<v Speaker 2>up their children because you see, the Greeks and the Romans,

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<v Speaker 2>they had outlawed human sacrifice about a thousand years before

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<v Speaker 2>Carthage stopped doing it. And the only reason Carthage stopped

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<v Speaker 2>doing it is because every stone was picked up off

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<v Speaker 2>of every other stone when Rome finally went in there

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<v Speaker 2>and completely destroyed Carthage. And this guy named Cato the

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<v Speaker 2>Elder would keep coming back to the Roman Republic and

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<v Speaker 2>keep saying, we need to destroy Carthage. They're a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of sick bastards, and so they finally did. Can we

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<v Speaker 2>go to the next one there?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, same one again?

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<v Speaker 2>Another one, Yeah, more of the file work here, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the same one, just from a different angle. But

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<v Speaker 2>you could see, oh, oh, here's another tenant. What's what

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<v Speaker 2>are those people doing with the tenant there? Weird? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of the Catholic Church's take on tenant. And

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<v Speaker 2>yeah they're they're still doing it still Carthaginians, no he

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<v Speaker 2>sis Zelensky. Yeah, it's upsetting. Uh huh isn't it. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a really interesting one right here. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson Cooper right here. That's his crazy ass mom. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's that that Catholic version of the tenant right there

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<v Speaker 2>right over top of this guy who's being you know,

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<v Speaker 2>burned alive inside of one of these topins. So Anderson

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper's crazy ass mom tant at all of this Canaanite

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<v Speaker 2>Phoenician artwork right there.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of Yeah, I remember when people were posting this

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<v Speaker 4>like a few years ago going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had to find out who that was and

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<v Speaker 2>I found.

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<v Speaker 4>Out, Yeah, that's interesting art. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the goddess of human sacrifice. Again, she was

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<v Speaker 2>a fertility goddess, so you would sacrifice your babies to

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<v Speaker 2>her for more fertility. It's like, why don't you just

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<v Speaker 2>keep that baby instead of But you've got the sacrifice

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<v Speaker 2>of Abraham and Isaac that go along perfectly with their cousins.

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<v Speaker 2>The Phoenicians who would take the first morn son out

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<v Speaker 2>out to the burning ground and then sacrifice them and

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<v Speaker 2>burn them up out there. But supposedly they stopped doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't actually stop doing that, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the good stuff. So that's tannate. I hope people don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget because it's going to keep popping up and get

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<v Speaker 2>it again. You're gonna catch these candidates of all these

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<v Speaker 2>elites with their little triangular tannate in the background, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they're into. So how are you just what? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what got you into the paranormal?

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<v Speaker 2>The idea of spirituality, spiritism and psychic phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm, yeah, what got me into it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? What actually? So let me start.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always been interested in paranormal or cult kind of topics.

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<v Speaker 1>But more from a academic.

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<v Speaker 3>Point of view because for a long time I was

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<v Speaker 3>a atheist, so I didn't really believe in anything save

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<v Speaker 3>for maybe UFOs because I had a UFO experience which

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<v Speaker 3>kind of marked my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>But other than that, I didn't really.

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<v Speaker 3>Believe in the and like the spirits and anything like

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<v Speaker 3>that until my father died, and that was in.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty fifteen, and I'm at this.

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<v Speaker 3>Point sure that he came to visit me before he

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<v Speaker 3>let well, either right before he had left or after

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<v Speaker 3>he was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that kind of made me question everything.

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<v Speaker 3>That I thought about reality and why I was feeling,

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<v Speaker 3>why I felt his presence or why got you know

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<v Speaker 3>this hit, I guess this like intuitive hit that something

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<v Speaker 3>was wrong. And then from there I just decided to pivot.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in a PhD program. I was studying environmental

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<v Speaker 3>science and policy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe a year away from getting not even yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>was at the tail end of getting my PhD. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I just kind of just dropped everything, reassessed my life,

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<v Speaker 3>opted for a master's, and then kind of doubt, like

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<v Speaker 3>just did a head dive in to more occult and

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual topics given all my research background and academic background.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, a true scientist stays curious, so

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<v Speaker 3>let me kind of dive into this world knowing what

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<v Speaker 3>I know from like more scientific background, but using the

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<v Speaker 3>research skills that I have to get into you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the more spiritual stuff. And then I started realizing that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of this stuff has been around for years.

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<v Speaker 1>The information has just.

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<v Speaker 3>Been suppressed, and we've obviously all been kind of controlled

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<v Speaker 3>in a sense as to what we were allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>know and what we're not allowed to know. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>how it all sort of started for me. And I've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing that now since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when I really when I get into like

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<v Speaker 3>the psychic stuff, I was doing tarot readings, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had been doing that for the last eight years. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I got really good at taro That started like helping

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<v Speaker 3>me redefine my own I guess my intuition. That was

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<v Speaker 3>really intuitive, but I decided that I wanted to take

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<v Speaker 3>it a step deeper. Like I was like, well, at

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<v Speaker 3>this point, well what else.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I achieve? And I, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just you know, they say fuck around and find

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<v Speaker 3>out I did. And I used dowsing rods. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>use dowsing rods to see if I can communicate with

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<v Speaker 3>like entities. Definitely got some information on that, and the

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<v Speaker 3>dowsing rods were basically my entryway into the psychic or

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<v Speaker 3>medium realm, which I am part of now.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's been a ride.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a ride, but that's how it's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>been for me, it's been sort of like a progression.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't necessarily, you know, do that I have been

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<v Speaker 3>doing this like oh my life or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something that I kind of came into through some

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<v Speaker 3>very personal and deep experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask about your intuition, because I know

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<v Speaker 2>I have very very clear flashes of intuition sometimes, but

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<v Speaker 2>other times it seems a little bit hazy and less

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<v Speaker 2>you know, connected. When you get a powerful feeling in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of intuition, how does that manifest for you? How

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<v Speaker 2>does that make itself recognized?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, before entering into my medium abilities, it was just

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<v Speaker 3>a sort of like a profound, like unquestionable knowing you understand,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's something that didn't feel scary, it didn't feel strange.

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<v Speaker 3>It sort of just came to you as a like like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh well this is this is this is true, like

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<v Speaker 3>this is what it is. So for me, it just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of felt like second nature. Like I don't like

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't explain how to distinguish it. I know that

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<v Speaker 3>it distinguishing it from anxiety. I just knew that my

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<v Speaker 3>intuition didn't feel scary, if that made any sense. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's almost like something that my body knew, but

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<v Speaker 3>like and my mind you but like I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>how to describe it. That was before getting into what

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<v Speaker 3>I am now a medium. Now, I mean it's at

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<v Speaker 3>a different point, Like my intuition is very very ti

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<v Speaker 3>it's like tied to my higher self. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how to how to how to basically explain this to others,

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<v Speaker 3>just other other than once you enter into this higher

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<v Speaker 3>level of psychic ability or medium abilities, it's almost like

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<v Speaker 3>if you've discerned it and if you've developed it, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost like one and the same.

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<v Speaker 3>So like when it comes like I just know, and

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<v Speaker 3>if I don't know, it's almost like I ask myself

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<v Speaker 3>and then I like, you know, but I mean obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>like this is not a like exact science, and even

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<v Speaker 3>things in science things can be wrong. So it's just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, learning from the mistakes and kind of mine tuning,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like a lifelong process. But now at this

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<v Speaker 3>point it's just uh, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like a.

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<v Speaker 3>Higher form or stronger form of that initial knowing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is. It sounds like it's well practiced, like it's muscle memory.

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<v Speaker 3>It is it is like muscle memory. But I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that's a lot of psychic abilities or like even medium

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<v Speaker 3>or any sort of paranormal or spiritual gift is is

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<v Speaker 3>like that one. The more you practice, the more become

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<v Speaker 3>sort of part of your being.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I can I can agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was it about tarot cards that helped open

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<v Speaker 2>up that world for you? Because I got an answer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's almost like the images can actually speak in

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<v Speaker 2>a different way than like words or you know, visual Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's how I started to use it, and

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how I actually ended.

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<v Speaker 3>Up developing more of my intuition myself, but also a

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<v Speaker 2>So were you drawn more to the major arcane or

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<v Speaker 3>So they're really definitely the bigger themes that we kind

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<v Speaker 1>If anything, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>because as a type of person I am, I'm more

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<v Speaker 3>like attracted to the deeper esoteric meetings of these major archetypes,

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<v Speaker 3>but the minor kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Are just as important. But yeah, that's me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sort of like all little events that start weaving

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<v Speaker 2>the bigger events together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and seeing how they kind of interrelay and interplay

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<v Speaker 3>with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the elemental nature of tarot decks, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>really get that sensation that there's all these different forces converging,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where you get fate from. It's like all

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<v Speaker 2>these different lines, you know, crossing and then creating the

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<v Speaker 2>energy for these events to happen. But absolutely it's something

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<v Speaker 2>else when you've got the intuition to start following this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it takes a lot of bravery right to enter

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<v Speaker 2>space full time and be like I am a psychic.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's that's a big step. What got you

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<v Speaker 2>to take that plunge?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, for a long time, I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>trepidation or sort of like I was averse to even

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<v Speaker 3>calling myself a psychic, And I still don't necessarily call

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<v Speaker 3>myself a psychic.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Connotation that the word has, Like so like what people

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<v Speaker 3>tend to assume that a psychic is, or like what

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<v Speaker 3>a psychic should be, as opposed to what it truly is,

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<v Speaker 3>And so I kind of shy away from using the

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<v Speaker 3>term psychic. But I always considered myself an intuitive.

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<v Speaker 1>And and something always.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know when I before my medium abilities, before

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, I know there's more. I know that,

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<v Speaker 2>U she froze up. Oh no, come back to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you there?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm here?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, where did we lose me? I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>Right after you got started started with what, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you're like leading into something to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, okay. So I always consider myself intuitive.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you didn't want to call yourself a psychic and

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<v Speaker 4>all that stuff too, Yes, I didn't want.

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<v Speaker 3>To call myself a psychic. Okay, cool, So we got

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<v Speaker 1>And then so basically for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>I understood that, yeah, there was like a degree of

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<v Speaker 3>psychic ability, but I didn't necessarily want to be like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a psychic because I didn't really understand how these

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<v Speaker 3>manifested within me.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's my thing too, like I kind of want.

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<v Speaker 3>To understand what's happening or like get a good grasp

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<v Speaker 3>to something before I start to like name myself like

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<v Speaker 3>label myself understand because unfortunately or fortunately, how you look

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<v Speaker 3>at it, labels matter to a certain extent, right, So

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, once again, now, once I got into

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<v Speaker 3>like a whole other a whole other level of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so let me ask you about your medium ship.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to a few spiritualist church meetings. This okay,

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<v Speaker 2>East coast. But they did you know, the spiritualist the

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<v Speaker 2>medium reading right up there at the pulpit. Kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a different experience, you know, Normally people associate this with

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<v Speaker 2>like some sort of psychic show or something. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you're sitting in church and the guys like the spirits

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<v Speaker 2>are calling me to talk to you, and it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a different experience. How did you get into mediumship?

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<v Speaker 3>I was thrust upon it. How did I get into mediumship? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I told you, I was. I was like, okay, well

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<v Speaker 3>there has to be more. I want to know if

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<v Speaker 3>there's a next step, because you know, at this point

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<v Speaker 3>I had learned enough and understood enough about this realm

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<v Speaker 3>that I was like, Okay, well, all these people have

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<v Speaker 3>these different types of experiences, like I want to I

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<v Speaker 3>want to experience something more from what I've already been experienced.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why I decided to go with dowsing rods.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So if anybody has any doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>That dowsing rods are real, I can stand as a

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<v Speaker 3>testament that they'd work if you know how to use.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, and if you think that you know there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>danger in there, there is. But anyway, what ended up

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<v Speaker 1>happening was I was using.

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<v Speaker 3>Dowsing rods and I somehow connected to my own spirit guides.

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<v Speaker 1>That was fine, wasn't fine or what? It was? All fine?

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<v Speaker 3>But I guess in retrospect everything's fine. But what got

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<v Speaker 3>kind of serious and what things got serious was when

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<v Speaker 1>So she saw what I was, like, what was happening

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<v Speaker 3>My husband saw what was happening with the dowsing rods,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody was like, what the heck is this? And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, go do your thing, use them, be careful,

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<v Speaker 3>protect yourself, all these things, and I decided I was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Like feeling withdraws. I guess, I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>describe this. I was just like, but I need the

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<v Speaker 1>dowsing rods. I need to speak to my guides. And

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<v Speaker 3>Don't need the dowsing rods. I don't need to I

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<v Speaker 3>don't need that. I'm a conduit. I'm a vessel, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the channel. And so I was like, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>started doing that. I started sort of kind of getting

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<v Speaker 3>into more meditative state and trying to see if they

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<v Speaker 3>would answer me me but using my body, and they did.

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<v Speaker 1>And for a while, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh was just communicating with my spirit guides. It started

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<v Speaker 3>off very like simple, rudimental, like however you want to

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<v Speaker 1>It was just yes or no answers.

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<v Speaker 3>Like all I was getting was yes or no, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, cool, no problem. But I started

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<v Speaker 3>like more rich craft, I guess, but like not through

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<v Speaker 1>And then at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>I got sick, so not because of what was happening,

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<v Speaker 3>but because now I'm connected to my guides.

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<v Speaker 1>They're here to protect me. And they were like, hey.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to go to the emergency room. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was just like what. And so now I'm getting like

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<v Speaker 3>and like bodily sensations. I'm feeling things. I'm like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I was feeling bad. I remember feeling bad.

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<v Speaker 3>For a couple of days, and they were like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>that they do after like to check if you had

426
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<v Speaker 3>any blood clots or something like that.

427
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<v Speaker 1>Afterwards, well, I came out a little elevated, and they

428
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>were like, Okay, this is really this is really weird.

429
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<v Speaker 4>I hate to interrupt you, but I've even said when

430
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.440
<v Speaker 4>I fucked around with magic a few times, I did

431
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.160
<v Speaker 4>it way too many times in like one week, and

432
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:12.839
<v Speaker 4>I ended up putting myself in the hospital, and one

433
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 4>of my problems was my blood. My hemoglobin was through

434
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.079
<v Speaker 4>the roof and it was like clods. They said, it

435
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:23.000
<v Speaker 4>was like basically clouded blood. Same fucking thing. Oh, I

436
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:27.319
<v Speaker 4>think we lost the fuck she's frozen. Cah, we have

437
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<v Speaker 4>to repeat that.

438
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm here, I'm here.

439
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Speaker 4>Did you what I said?

440
00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm here. I heard what you said.

441
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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

442
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what that's like. I don't. I don't know

443
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<v Speaker 1>if it's tied.

444
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 3>But I know I had been feeling bad for a

445
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.680
<v Speaker 3>while because before this, I had been experiencing like some

446
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 3>weird stupid.

447
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:45.640
<v Speaker 4>Ask her about the eye, Yeah, did you have any

448
00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.480
<v Speaker 4>any differences with your eyeballs? Like my pupils would one

449
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:51.039
<v Speaker 4>would be dilated and the other one would be like

450
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:52.599
<v Speaker 4>one would be big and one would be small too.

451
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get that. No, interesting that you did, though.

452
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, very happened.

453
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<v Speaker 3>What's going on there? But I didn't get that.

454
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<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, so whoa, I bet you froze again.

455
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:20.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was a perfect time for a freezer. WHOA

456
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:24.200
<v Speaker 4>did you there?

457
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I am am high? Did you deal with something kind

458
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<v Speaker 1>of dark?

459
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:32.279
<v Speaker 4>I huh, I was just meditating.

460
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:35.519
<v Speaker 1>Or or one of your guides.

461
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Did you experience something you didn't have anything dark in you?

462
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.279
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it was a pretty pretty beautiful experience.

463
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I thought, yeah, interesting, Okay, we'll see.

464
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:54.039
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so I I had been feeling just strange.

465
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:55.599
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was, you know, I don't know what

466
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that's called.

467
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Like the unknown disease that nobody can like diagnose because

468
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.759
<v Speaker 3>nobody knows what's going on with you, but you have

469
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:07.039
<v Speaker 3>all these symptoms. That was happening to me. And so

470
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 3>I got to a point where like they were like,

471
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 3>go to the emergency. Everything turned out fine afterwards, but

472
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.160
<v Speaker 3>they did see that I had some sort of plotting

473
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:19.480
<v Speaker 3>situation which then went away point is, oh my god,

474
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm outside, I'm now talking to trees. By the way,

475
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:28.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking to trees, I'm talking to plants, and I

476
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:33.839
<v Speaker 3>start to see I get they tell, oh my god,

477
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 3>my god, I'm gonna sound so crazy.

478
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>This is my story.

479
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:46.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm told that there's a being and I can't name names,

480
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.359
<v Speaker 3>but there's a being that wants to.

481
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:57.400
<v Speaker 1>That that's taking an interest in me, or so to speak. Cool,

482
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:58.319
<v Speaker 1>no problem.

483
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.519
<v Speaker 3>When I get sick again and I start feeling sick,

484
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, now I'm a witch or like,

485
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:03.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm very witchy.

486
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting into all this stuff.

487
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to ask this being to come.

488
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:11.519
<v Speaker 1>And help protect me. Did all that.

489
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 3>Didn't know though that by doing that, I would be

490
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 3>opening up a portal two bigger things. And then suddenly

491
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 3>I am kind of in.

492
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>This place where I'm being tested. I don't know how

493
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>to describe it.

494
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 3>I kind of it was very traumatic because my family

495
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 3>got scared.

496
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>I was scared.

497
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:46.759
<v Speaker 3>My sister had to come and help my husband and

498
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 3>my daughter. Because I was literally out for the count.

499
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:56.559
<v Speaker 3>I could not do anything. I was communing with spirits

500
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 3>or entities for about three weeks straight NonStop, to a

501
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:05.559
<v Speaker 3>point where like I had to not go to work

502
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:10.839
<v Speaker 3>and my job. My boss is like one of my

503
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 3>best friends, and she was able to finagle something for

504
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 3>me so that I can miss work for almost a

505
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 3>whole month while I figured out my life because I

506
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.079
<v Speaker 3>was experiencing things that I had never experienced before.

507
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 1>People who are.

508
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 3>In like shamanic religions or certain traditions.

509
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>For example, have you ever heard of Terrence McKenna, Well,

510
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>him and his brother when like they were very close.

511
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they were like twins or something, but they

512
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>were living in the jungle and only eating mushrooms like

513
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 2>psilocybin mushrooms, and that's all they are. Yeah, in the

514
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>three weeks of nothing but telepathic communication with everybody around him,

515
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 2>like they could hear his thoughts. It was so he

516
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>had to go to the hospital and other people would

517
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>have to do things for him because he was living

518
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.240
<v Speaker 2>outside of his body like the whole time. It was crazy.

519
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>That is interesting.

520
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't do any type of drug, like nothing, I

521
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 3>don't even do I don't do weed, I don't do

522
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't do anything nothing.

523
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:18.519
<v Speaker 1>So this to me was even crazier.

524
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 3>And I think this is why my family freaked out

525
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 3>because they were like, well, this is obviously isn't drug

526
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:28.079
<v Speaker 3>induced because I barely even drink and all this information

527
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 3>was coming to me. I was getting images, I was

528
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 3>getting symbols, I was getting words and phrases. I wasn't

529
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 3>allowed to be touched. If I was touched, there would

530
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 3>be a problem, Like it was really a situation. I

531
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 3>find out later that you know certain certain beliefs and

532
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 3>in certain traditions when you're communing with spirits, you're not

533
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 3>you're not allowed to be touched. There is a protocol,

534
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.599
<v Speaker 3>and it depends on obviously what level of communication you're

535
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 3>at and what kind of beings you're interacting with. I

536
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 3>happened to be interacting with some really fucking high beings

537
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 3>whereas people could not come near me, they could not

538
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 3>come near me.

539
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>So what ends up happening?

540
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 3>I voluntarily, Oh my god, I say, my sister's upset.

541
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's upset, and.

542
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, everybody's upset, and I voluntarily say yes, I say yes,

543
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 3>let Baker act me. I don't know if you guys

544
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 3>are associating. And you know what a Baker Act is now,

545
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.319
<v Speaker 3>so here in Florida, there's something called the Baker Act

546
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 3>and basically they it's a psychic, psychiatric, and psychological evaluation,

547
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:50.720
<v Speaker 3>but in a mental institution. So I am mentally evaluated

548
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.759
<v Speaker 3>for about a whole weekend, which was not a pleasant

549
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.880
<v Speaker 3>experience because now I know and see what happens in

550
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 3>mental institutions, and let me tell you that is a

551
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.039
<v Speaker 3>crying shame. But I made it clear I had a

552
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 3>clear real of health. Like the psychiatrist was just like,

553
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know why you're here, and I was like,

554
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 3>thank you.

555
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>This is very kind of you.

556
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 3>This is actually very validating for me because I thought

557
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:18.599
<v Speaker 3>that I was going crazy multiple like personality disorder or

558
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.599
<v Speaker 3>like you know, I don't know, schizophrenia.

559
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Was I hallucinating And it was just like.

560
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.720
<v Speaker 3>No, this just kind of sounds like a spiritual sort

561
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 3>of experience, but like you know, I.

562
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Was acting normal. Everything was totally fine. Anyway.

563
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Point is after that May promises did things, sealed contracts,

564
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:44.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what you want to call it.

565
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 3>And then from there on I was told, Okay, now

566
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 3>you're in so heal. That was that's all I was told.

567
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 3>They were like, heal, Now you get to heal. I

568
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 3>was like okay, So.

569
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 1>I started doing that.

570
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 3>And then once I got to a point where I

571
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 3>was just like feeling okay and feeling better and like

572
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:09.519
<v Speaker 3>less traumatized, they were like, okay, start doing readings, start practicing,

573
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.319
<v Speaker 3>start practicing, see what you get. Because I really almost

574
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.799
<v Speaker 3>like lost it. I almost went into psychosis because I

575
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:17.720
<v Speaker 3>was like, this isn't real.

576
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:20.079
<v Speaker 1>This is not happening to me.

577
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm imagining things like this is not this is not real.

578
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Until they were like, okay, start doing readings.

579
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:29.240
<v Speaker 3>And I started doing readings, and then I started getting

580
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 3>information from people that I didn't even know that was

581
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 3>just like spot On and I was like, oh my god,

582
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 3>this is real. And so now obviously I've been doing

583
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.359
<v Speaker 3>this for about eight nine months now, so I'm not

584
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 3>like exactly like the most prolific medium to exist, but

585
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 3>I do medium readings for pay what you can prices

586
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 3>and it's a way to help those that need and

587
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 3>also a way for me to continue to develop my

588
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 3>skill because obviously I'm still learning. But the way that

589
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 3>I channel, the way that I do things is definitely

590
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 3>different from a lot of mediums out there because of

591
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 3>all the things that have I experienced. So I'm I'm

592
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.239
<v Speaker 3>definitely different from a lot and I guess that's why

593
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 3>people are definitely interested in keep coming back, thank God.

594
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 3>So that's cool because I do also healing sessions too,

595
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.199
<v Speaker 3>which is another whole other thing that I do with

596
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:28.079
<v Speaker 3>my abilities.

597
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.840
<v Speaker 2>If you check out Lily Dale Assembly, Have you ever

598
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>heard of that place? No, it's I think it's up

599
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts, but it's a it's a spiritualist retreat where

600
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.719
<v Speaker 2>basically they have training seminars for people who are mediums.

601
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>So it's like they've got a whole big assemblage of

602
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of literature and stuff on that as well.

603
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 4>That sounds like almost like a stranger things for adults, dude.

604
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Spiritual was the biggest religion back in the late eighteen hundreds,

605
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Like they had a lot of people into that stuff.

606
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:09.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of knowledge there. Well.

607
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 3>The problem, the problem that I have is that I'm

608
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't know. I'm not a spiritualist, I'm

609
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:23.480
<v Speaker 3>not a I'm not in anything. I'm I know certain

610
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:26.760
<v Speaker 3>truths about our world and the universe that we live in,

611
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 3>and I understand it, and I understand that all of

612
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 3>this is one big thing.

613
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 1>All religion is comes from one big thing. So for

614
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.119
<v Speaker 1>me to like sort of just.

615
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, abide by one or commit to one

616
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.480
<v Speaker 3>doesn't feel right because inside of me, I know that

617
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.079
<v Speaker 3>it's all the same. So I don't like if I

618
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 3>were to go to like a spiritualist camp or anything

619
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 3>or anywhere, like I can see good things and it

620
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 3>can be like, oh, yeah, that's right, or well that's good,

621
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 3>but then I'm going to see other things where I'm

622
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.679
<v Speaker 3>just like it's not like that, but okay, great. The

623
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 3>same thing with Christianity, the same thing with a lot

624
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 3>of different religions out there. I'm just kind of more

625
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 3>of a you know, kind of a more holistic approach

626
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 3>to a religion and occult and esoteric studies.

627
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to really describe it.

628
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I get it.

629
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely not a spiritualist and not not in the

630
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.719
<v Speaker 3>traditionalist assent of studies. But that doesn't mean that there

631
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:33.360
<v Speaker 3>aren't things that vibe with me, you understand. So I

632
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 3>can vibe with a lot of different things and a

633
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.880
<v Speaker 3>lot of different religions and a lot of different people.

634
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, you can.

635
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.039
<v Speaker 4>Come and go as you please. Uh. One thing I

636
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.159
<v Speaker 4>did want to ask you, as you had like I guess,

637
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 4>like your experiences you were talking about, like I guess

638
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.639
<v Speaker 4>like fleshing images of symbols and hearing things. Was there

639
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.760
<v Speaker 4>any time where when this was happening. Was it making

640
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.239
<v Speaker 4>a did you ever have like times was making sense

641
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Speaker 4>of things that didn't make sense to you before? Or

642
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 4>was it like bringing up things and like showing it

643
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.559
<v Speaker 4>to you in a different way where you're like, oh,

644
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.719
<v Speaker 4>now I understand that, or I get that, or do

645
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.719
<v Speaker 4>you get anything like that? Ye're almost like putting puzzles together,

646
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 4>you know.

647
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.360
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that kept happening when I was

648
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 3>doing these things was like suddenly I had access to

649
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.360
<v Speaker 3>information that I didn't realize I had access to. And

650
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.440
<v Speaker 3>I was because as I was being tested and I'm

651
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 3>being questioned, like I'm being questioned, as I have access

652
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 3>and I'm being questioned, I'm like coming up with answers

653
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 3>that I.

654
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Was just like, how the how do I know this

655
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 1>and how do I.

656
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 3>Know how to answer this in this specific moment. So

657
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 3>what ended up happening was just like yeah, like once

658
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 3>this information came up and I started to understand like

659
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.280
<v Speaker 3>a lot of this stuff is already innate within your

660
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.559
<v Speaker 3>soul so like within your spirit, and it's just about

661
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 3>access saying that and deepening that connection between yourself and

662
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 3>your spirit. And that seems like that's what I was

663
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.480
<v Speaker 3>doing sort of like automatically when all this was stuff

664
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 3>was happening, So when I was accessing it, like images

665
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.800
<v Speaker 3>and symbols, like part.

666
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Of me knew what that was.

667
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Example even today, like right now, if you were to

668
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 3>show me something that I don't know what the it means,

669
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 3>like consciously, I will, in my subconscious and in my

670
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.800
<v Speaker 3>soul know what that is. And it's already happened where

671
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 3>like I've read something in Latin on a church, or

672
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 3>i read something in Latin in a like online on

673
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 3>a screen, and I involuntarily vow in reverence to the

674
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.800
<v Speaker 3>thing that I don't understand, and then I.

675
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Go and I go on my translating. I'm like, what

676
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>is this?

677
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 3>And then it happens to be like a verse from

678
00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 3>the Bible or something in Latin that I didn't understand.

679
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I do that? Ask me.

680
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Maybe almost spirits of the internet are not happy.

681
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:32.039
<v Speaker 3>No, they probably they won't be happy, some of them,

682
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 3>am I here? Yeah, yeah, oh okay, yeah, So certain

683
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 3>things in church, certain symbols or stuff like I will see.

684
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.639
<v Speaker 1>It go like this has never happened to me before.

685
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 3>But as the priest comes in with this thing which

686
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it's called, but he comes in

687
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 3>with this huge book and all of a sudden.

688
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm like bowing to this book and I'm like, I

689
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the fuck that is.

690
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm not religious, so like it's just like things like

691
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 3>that that like I do out of just my soul's

692
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.000
<v Speaker 3>knowledge of what these spiritual symbols are, I just bowed

693
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 3>to the symbol of tenant.

694
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:07.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is.

695
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.679
<v Speaker 3>Like you can check in your thing. I bow to

696
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 3>this thing in reverence.

697
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what is that.

698
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but here we are, and these are

699
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 3>certain things that now, these are part of my abilities.

700
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 3>I also my ability as a medium is to channel

701
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 3>consciousness directly to you. I can kind of one entity,

702
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:30.280
<v Speaker 3>your spirit guide of any sort of entity, and I

703
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 3>serve as a divine channel to you. You speak to

704
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.559
<v Speaker 3>them through me. It's not like I get images and

705
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 3>words and I'm like, oh, does this mean this or

706
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 3>does this you understand this or I'm hearing this. No, No,

707
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't get that. It is a divine straight thing from.

708
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Them to you through me. I don't know how to

709
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:53.079
<v Speaker 1>explain that. I don't know what. That's just what I do.

710
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:54.559
<v Speaker 1>That's where I am now.

711
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 3>And then again, when I don't understand something, even though

712
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.719
<v Speaker 3>my soul and understands it, I don't understand it.

713
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I look for it and then like I will feel deeply.

714
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I can feel things.

715
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 3>That I can't even explain about events that I don't understand.

716
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:11.559
<v Speaker 1>But that's how it is, though.

717
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, So it's almost like there's a different flavor to

718
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 2>the world around you.

719
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's many flavors, yes, especially when I can talk

720
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 3>to different beings and entities.

721
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 1>It's really strange when you walk around For a while.

722
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I was so open. I could go to a.

723
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Grocery store and like, my god, I would go to

724
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:37.519
<v Speaker 3>a grocery store and the energy of people I knew

725
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.400
<v Speaker 3>right off the bat if they were like a like

726
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 3>decent person or not, and if they were really like nasty,

727
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:49.239
<v Speaker 3>I would physically like shy, like like push myself away

728
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 3>from this thing, or if things were dirty too.

729
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's I don't know.

730
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.079
<v Speaker 3>And then also like beings coming up to me and

731
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.800
<v Speaker 3>being like I wasn't saying Augustine. For example, I was

732
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 3>in Saint Augustine. I love Saint Augustine. Saint Augustine is

733
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 3>probably one of my favorite places on this earth. I'm

734
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 3>doing something that I've done before, which is to the

735
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.480
<v Speaker 3>uh Fort the cat.

736
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm with my I'm with my husband, I'm with my daughter.

737
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.000
<v Speaker 3>I enter this little room and I'm like, hey, cool

738
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.480
<v Speaker 3>this that I'm leaving. And as I'm leaving, I get

739
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 3>like pinged and I'm like looking at and all of

740
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 3>a sudden, I'm looking at this. There's nothing in front

741
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.639
<v Speaker 3>of me, obviously, because I can't see them physically, but

742
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I know where they are in a room, so I

743
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 3>can detect spirits anywhere in a room. So anyway, I'm

744
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 3>here and I see this, this, this, this being in

745
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:42.639
<v Speaker 3>front of me, and I'm like, in my third eye,

746
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:46.480
<v Speaker 3>I see it and it's a soldier and he's just

747
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 3>looking at me, and I'm looking at him. And my

748
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.280
<v Speaker 3>husband's like, what the fuck is happening, And I'm like,

749
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 3>somebody's here and so and then obviously now I have

750
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 3>this I don't know what era soldier speaking to me,

751
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.760
<v Speaker 3>and he he's freaking out. He's like, how can you

752
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.159
<v Speaker 3>do this? And I was like, I don't know. He's like,

753
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 3>you can see me, and I'm like, yes, I can't,

754
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.440
<v Speaker 3>not really, but I can. And then he starts telling

755
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Speaker 3>me about why he stayed and how it's just been

756
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 3>home for him for a long time and he hasn't

757
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 3>seen his family and he's afraid to see his family

758
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 3>because it's been so long and he's.

759
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Been on Earth but there over there in the other world.

760
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 1>And I was just like, oh.

761
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.320
<v Speaker 3>My god, I'm so sorry, and things like that that

762
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 3>I had to start to like learn how to like

763
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 3>tune down because I was just going into places and

764
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:29.960
<v Speaker 3>being were just coming to me.

765
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, guys, I thought you were going to

766
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>talk about Robert the Doll.

767
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I think he wes.

768
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 2>He got he got cursed by Robert the Doll.

769
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, one of the guys on the show years Yeah,

770
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 4>jj Vans from the he's on the ecul Rejects and

771
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.920
<v Speaker 4>he has his own podcast, Operation GCD. He went and

772
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 4>took a picture of him. He wasn't supposed too.

773
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Robert is a real cursed artifact.

774
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.440
<v Speaker 4>I can tell you from the two years I've known

775
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 4>him personally, I think he may be cursed.

776
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>He might be right.

777
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 3>No, I did visit Robert, but I was very I

778
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 3>was very respectful, even though I didn't really believe in it.

779
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:21.559
<v Speaker 3>I was still kind of like part of me was

780
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 3>just like, well, anyway, sorry, Robert cool, Like you're cool,

781
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 3>thanks for letting me be here and see you. But

782
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.400
<v Speaker 3>at that point I wasn't I definitely wasn't open yet.

783
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.880
<v Speaker 3>So so Robert is real.

784
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>We were thinking about going down there and giving him

785
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 2>all twelve years man, twelve years curse, give.

786
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 4>Him a leg drop in the parking lot.

787
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, show that dollars boss.

788
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 4>That is funny. Uh yeah, Deborah. I have to say though,

789
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.760
<v Speaker 4>that whole we're talking about, like the images and the

790
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.480
<v Speaker 4>understandings of things, that that is something that I say

791
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 4>that I have experienced. I thought, you know, myself, and

792
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.239
<v Speaker 4>I even saw Lucy and Danielle the people in the

793
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.000
<v Speaker 4>chat saying I think kind of like it's it's almost

794
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 4>like you just tap into this like all knowing, right

795
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.679
<v Speaker 4>consciousness that just it's like how do I know this?

796
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 4>But it's almost like it's so profound, you know, for me,

797
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.360
<v Speaker 4>it's that's how you know. It's like a knowing and

798
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.719
<v Speaker 4>it's not a belief, and it's like somehow the way

799
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.599
<v Speaker 4>it makes sense in your head is like, yeah, it's

800
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:26.639
<v Speaker 4>very it's very wild.

801
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:33.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it is, and it's beautiful and also scary, but

802
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 3>it's mostly beautiful.

803
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 4>Times when you're like I wish you would shut off,

804
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 4>but it was ever times like maybe it might be

805
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:42.880
<v Speaker 4>happening so much, or like I wish it would calm down,

806
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 4>or do you ever like find yourself.

807
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Like how do you bind me? I am? I am bound?

808
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.760
<v Speaker 3>I had to Okay, I don't know how to describe this.

809
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 3>It's just so crazy. The things that I was knowing

810
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.360
<v Speaker 3>and the information I was accessing was too much, too fast,

811
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 3>and I was literally told like slow your role. I

812
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:06.679
<v Speaker 3>was like, okay, I don't even know what I'm doing

813
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.280
<v Speaker 3>or how I'm doing it, and so I was they

814
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>were kind of just like they.

815
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 1>They helped me tone it down.

816
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 3>But by helping me tone it down, there's a level

817
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.880
<v Speaker 3>of binding that has to occur. So that's sort of

818
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 3>where it is now. I'm slowly starting to like try

819
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 3>to like pick up certain things.

820
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 1>So that's where I'm at now. But it's.

821
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 3>It's strange, and you know, what's what's interesting is like,

822
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 3>I know, I talk about this and I'm saying this,

823
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 3>and there's probably people out there that probably won't believe.

824
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>It, and that's fine.

825
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.920
<v Speaker 3>But one of the things that this made me realize

826
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 3>as I was going through this was like, wow, how

827
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.920
<v Speaker 3>many people who have psychic abilities and who have medium

828
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:55.519
<v Speaker 3>abilities don't have support systems? Thing goes you understand, like

829
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 3>where is the support? Because I couldn't find a way

830
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.159
<v Speaker 3>to support me. I'm now separating from my husband or

831
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.840
<v Speaker 3>I've separated from my husband because he just could.

832
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Not handle this.

833
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:05.679
<v Speaker 3>Do you understand and I'm like, what do you want

834
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 3>me to do? Like just turn it off? Like I tried.

835
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 3>I tried to turn this off. I tried to be like, no,

836
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't want this gift. But that's not how it works,

837
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.199
<v Speaker 3>you understand. And now, obviously I'm in service, and that's

838
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:23.920
<v Speaker 3>how it's supposed to be. But how do you support

839
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.519
<v Speaker 3>others where like they're going through these existential and spiritual

840
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 3>crisis twist or en level where they don't have anybody

841
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:32.880
<v Speaker 3>to talk to, they feel like they're going crazy when

842
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 3>they're not, when you're just remembering who you are. And

843
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 3>that that's what I find that we don't have much of,

844
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:41.800
<v Speaker 3>and that's well, hopefully that'll be in my future to

845
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:43.800
<v Speaker 3>help others with that was scary.

846
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 2>Like I was saying that lily Dale Assembly is like

847
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 2>a support system for people like that.

848
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but it's in Massachusetts. Yeah, I mean, I

849
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:57.159
<v Speaker 1>don't know.

850
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<v Speaker 2>You might be able to email them. I mean, I'm

851
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.480
<v Speaker 2>sure they probably get on the phone too.

852
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, probably, But I definitely see that there is a

853
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 3>need for that more of that and in a different

854
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 3>type of way, and then in a way that supports

855
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.400
<v Speaker 3>people's beliefs too. And it doesn't necessarily have to be like, oh,

856
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.800
<v Speaker 3>you're just a spiritualist or oh you're just a Christian,

857
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.719
<v Speaker 3>like you know, it should be a little thing. And

858
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 3>them are more inclusive.

859
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>They're very non denominational. They don't really have the whole idea. Well,

860
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 2>what they wanted to do is they wanted to combine

861
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.880
<v Speaker 2>religion and science, and that's really what the spiritualist movement was.

862
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:33.920
<v Speaker 2>So they wanted to try and use the powers of

863
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 2>the mind to essentially access the other side it you know,

864
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.320
<v Speaker 2>plays out how you see it on TV. That's the

865
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Speaker 2>exact same thing that they do. But the difference is,

866
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I think is that they started doing it as a

867
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, nonprofit or a church situation basically it but

868
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 2>all of the have you ever seen any of the

869
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>old seance stuff, because there's actually a lot of valuable

870
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.039
<v Speaker 2>stuff in there. Was it all just fake? You know,

871
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 2>there was actually other stuff? Right?

872
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But that's the thing, and that's what people tend

873
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 3>to think of when you think medium or psychic, they

874
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:17.039
<v Speaker 3>think of this movie type or you know, this stereotype

875
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.079
<v Speaker 3>of a psychic or a medium. Like people looking at

876
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.320
<v Speaker 3>me down the street, ever gonna assume that I have

877
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.719
<v Speaker 3>abilities which is fine for me, like you know, and

878
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:31.599
<v Speaker 3>that's fine, but there's a lot of this like focus.

879
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Damn, oh you know, oh.

880
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.239
<v Speaker 1>This is no no, I'm here.

881
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of hocus focus or like theatrical

882
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.119
<v Speaker 3>stuff associated with a lot of mediums.

883
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:59.239
<v Speaker 2>And oh man, well I just wanted to say, shout out, Vanessa,

884
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:03.159
<v Speaker 2>he's where in your shirt she was commenting earlier. Thank

885
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you so much, Vanessa. I got mine too, I just

886
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:13.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't wear it tonight. Oh also I got this. Oh yeah,

887
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:14.199
<v Speaker 2>the books.

888
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we lost you for a second.

889
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.440
<v Speaker 2>There are we lost you for a second.

890
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm here The dow of Top.

891
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is Ethan Goes book, The Towel of Thought,

892
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.199
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to get into that pretty soon. But

893
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>it sounds really cool. Thank you. If you want to

894
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.639
<v Speaker 2>check him out, go over to the Occult Researcher Institute.

895
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>That's your And he's got tons of articles out there.

896
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's got a bunch of stuff on there. And

897
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.000
<v Speaker 4>uh yes, he's got a ship ton of books. He's

898
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:46.760
<v Speaker 4>actually going to start coming on the occult rejects and

899
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 4>covering some of them. I told him, like, this is crazy, dude,

900
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.719
<v Speaker 4>you got all these books promote them. So yeah, and

901
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.519
<v Speaker 4>he sent one to like you, we offered to someone

902
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:56.760
<v Speaker 4>to all the occult rejects too, So I mean that's

903
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:01.719
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people. So sorry about that.

904
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:03.039
<v Speaker 2>You're back, No, you're back.

905
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm here. Thanks. Yeah, well I don't know where where.

906
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:10.960
<v Speaker 3>Do we live?

907
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.719
<v Speaker 4>You're just saying, I guess basically just leaving it off that, Yeah,

908
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of fucker rein hoocus pocus bullshit out

909
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:18.039
<v Speaker 4>there too that you have to worry about.

910
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Oh yeah, and that's what I have to contend

911
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 3>with idiots online.

912
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Isn't that the worst? How It's like when you have

913
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.920
<v Speaker 4>someone who's like authentic, it's like you almost sound like

914
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 4>the shill because what other people already believing in is

915
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 4>so silly. Your shit just like what you're trying to

916
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:38.280
<v Speaker 4>fucking I don't want to listen to all this forget

917
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 4>about it. Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like

918
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.639
<v Speaker 4>that like very silly stuff is like considered gospel and

919
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 4>like people actually have some real deep ship to share

920
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.119
<v Speaker 4>and experiences. It's just like, oh, it's fucking made up,

921
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 4>or you're crazy, or they just don't want to listen

922
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.639
<v Speaker 4>that long. It's it's if it's beyond the meme. It

923
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 4>doesn't you know, it doesn't apply.

924
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll go ahead, No, I just agreed.

925
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think they're gonna there's this final frontier aspect

926
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 2>to the paranormal and psychic abilities and all the rest

927
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.599
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff that I think is going to start

928
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 2>changing people into looking more in that direction. Because we're

929
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.079
<v Speaker 2>not getting the mars. You know, things are gonna get

930
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:23.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot worse, and we have to turn to the

931
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 2>things like the powers of the mind to actually achieve

932
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.119
<v Speaker 2>and overcome certain things. You know, that's that can be

933
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 2>very important in the very near future. And I think

934
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of independent researchers are looking into it, but

935
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.679
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of institutional people. But we're seeing the

936
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.239
<v Speaker 2>money start to shift too. So if we can get

937
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.000
<v Speaker 2>more investors thinking about how to fund the paranormal research

938
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:52.400
<v Speaker 2>necessary to actually make breakthroughs, we can see a different horizon.

939
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:59.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is an interesting topic because it's already

940
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:02.880
<v Speaker 1>it's already being done right.

941
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Like you have the Munroe Institute, you have ions, you

942
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:09.639
<v Speaker 3>have people like.

943
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Dean Rayden.

944
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:17.840
<v Speaker 3>And doctor Thomas Rabrion in the parapsychology that are these

945
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 3>things are being done right. The problem is that it's

946
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 3>not mainstream, and it's not mainstream for a reason. And

947
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.719
<v Speaker 3>a lot of this work has been coming from like

948
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 3>ages and eons, where like they've literally been telling us

949
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.840
<v Speaker 3>that our minds are what creates this reality, you understand,

950
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:38.360
<v Speaker 3>So everything is psychological, everything comes from the psyche. And

951
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 3>if you really get into like the quantum physics of

952
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:42.960
<v Speaker 3>stuff and everything, like, you understand that, like we're just

953
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 3>vibrating atoms at a certain point, do you understand. So,

954
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:50.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, all of this the power of the mind

955
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 3>is so profound that I think it's obvious at least

956
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:57.920
<v Speaker 3>to me now, especially with what I know, Like it's

957
00:53:57.920 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 3>obvious to me that it's been suppressed, and it's all

958
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.960
<v Speaker 3>to me that you know, it's not something that they

959
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:06.679
<v Speaker 3>want the masses to know because can you imagine eight

960
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 3>plus billion people awakening to themselves and becoming autonomous beings,

961
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:14.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like.

962
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:14.679
<v Speaker 1>That's just.

963
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know, like it's it's not going to

964
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:24.920
<v Speaker 3>benefit those certain people that have had this, you know,

965
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:30.840
<v Speaker 3>and check for a while, right, So yeah.

966
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I think I think they find it terrifying.

967
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 3>But it is terrifying because well not this is why

968
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.320
<v Speaker 3>not everybody has access to this either because it can

969
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 3>be something that people misconstrue and corrupt and just like

970
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:51.719
<v Speaker 3>anything right.

971
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Like there's there's light in there.

972
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 3>There's two sides to everything, so it just you just

973
00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:00.400
<v Speaker 3>have to be careful. Not everybody's ready for the type

974
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 3>of stuff, unfortunately, but it is getting there. Like you said,

975
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 3>people are coming into and realizing that there is truth

976
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:07.519
<v Speaker 3>further than what we've been told.

977
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 1>So let's see what happens. I'm here for it though.

978
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we just got to get Rupert Sheldrake on the show.

979
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 4>I told them I'm not giving up, and I'm emailing

980
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:23.000
<v Speaker 4>them again. Eventually he'll come on just so I stop

981
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:28.039
<v Speaker 4>emailing them, maybe ye, or I'll just be like, you know, you're.

982
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Blocked, all right. Thank you so much, Deborah for joining us.

983
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 2>This has been a great house for being here. Thank

984
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.480
<v Speaker 2>you audience. There's so many people who tune it in.

985
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. And check out Ethan Indigo Smith's

986
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.280
<v Speaker 2>book on Amazon, The Talent Thought. Check it out, go

987
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 2>get it, read it. Thank you everybody, and we'll see

988
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 2>you again next time.