Speaker 1: So that's not a good time. I can't hear myself. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so what's going on is it? Because this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I can Yeah, I can sort of hear myself.
Speaker 2: Let's turn that out little yeah, myself down. All right,
Speaker 2: there we go. You're in a good place. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: definitely am.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Let me get all my my facts out here because
Speaker 2: I don't want to mess it up. Yeah, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: you're ready, Yeah, fire away? All right, So balky pause, balky.
Speaker 2: I was told on good authority that the Avengers Doomsday
Speaker 2: movie is going to run three hours and forty five
Speaker 2: minutes long. Yeah, yeah, you haven't heard that. Then this
Speaker 2: is the first year here. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, wait a minute. Yeah this is still
Speaker 2: part one technically, yeah yeah, yes it is not.
Speaker 1: Technically it is part one. So Secret Wars comes out
Speaker 1: a year after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm assuming that'll be a long one too,
Speaker 3: because Endgame was significantly longer than about Infinity YEA one
Speaker 3: from two to three twenty ye So this is like
Speaker 3: these two movies that are being released by Marvel are
Speaker 3: like it's like four movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I'm totally here for it. But that's
Speaker 2: not what I wanted to bring up with you.
Speaker 1: My bladder's not oh perfect, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, for those of you listening, he didn't know. This
Speaker 2: is where this conversation was going. Run P is a
Speaker 2: new app that's out right now. Yeah, are you familiar
Speaker 2: with it?
Speaker 3: I'm not, but I told you I read an article
Speaker 3: when Endgame was coming out that from the people who
Speaker 3: reviewed it, you know, the critics. There are critics who
Speaker 3: got a handle of it. Somebody put out an article
Speaker 3: about like the six times you can afford to go peeck,
Speaker 3: like when Hulk says this, when you see Scarlet Witch
Speaker 3: do this, you have this much time, right, And I
Speaker 3: guess it just makes makes sense that somebody would have
Speaker 3: the ingenuity and the time to come up with an
Speaker 3: app that you can upload the times to pee where
Speaker 3: for every movie right now. I don't know how they
Speaker 3: do this. They must have a team of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what I said, So Jonathan Crause of Whby
Speaker 2: brought this up with me, and I said, well, you see,
Speaker 2: it's on a person by person basis because for my money,
Speaker 2: and I used Game of Thrones as an example. My
Speaker 2: favorite scenes of that show is like when Tierry and
Speaker 2: Jamie and Surcy are sitting around a table talking shit
Speaker 2: to one another. Like, the dragons scenes are cool, the
Speaker 2: battle scenes are cool, But give me the dialogue in
Speaker 2: those kinds of situations. Well, there's a lot of that
Speaker 2: Marvel movies. On the other hand, you know, I think
Speaker 2: I could probably skip some of the dialogue. But if
Speaker 2: you miss if you're watching Endgame and you miss what's
Speaker 2: her name, the ancient one talking to the Hulk about
Speaker 2: how the timelines exist, you are missing crucial data for
Speaker 2: the remainder of the show, even though it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: an action packed moment in the show, so it does
Speaker 2: feel relative. But I'll tell you what, if you're giving
Speaker 2: me a three hour, forty five minute movie and no intermission,
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna have to utilize the app because I
Speaker 2: don't know short of just not bringing a drink in,
Speaker 2: peing right before I go, and then just sucking it
Speaker 2: up for four hours and not ing any liquids.
Speaker 1: I actually thought about sneaking a.
Speaker 3: Like you know, you bring in a bottle of soda
Speaker 3: into the theater, which please don't do. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: know you do it, bring that in and then peeing
Speaker 3: in that once that's gone, you know, But but there
Speaker 3: were so many people in there.
Speaker 1: You can't really do that. You can't sit and pee. No,
Speaker 1: not at that show, because I'll be there opening night.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Back when Jenko jeans were popular, I snuck an entire Remember.
Speaker 1: You had a pair of jen coach.
Speaker 2: I had several jeans and I went to see Castaway.
Speaker 2: I went to see Castaway, and I snuck a two
Speaker 2: liter bottle in my pocket, into the pockets on Jenco
Speaker 2: jeans or that big we're that big that a two
Speaker 2: liter bottle disappeared into the pocket of my pants. And
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there because you know, Castaway runs pretty quiet.
Speaker 2: It's pretty there's no music, there's no dialogue other than
Speaker 2: the Tom Hanks talking to a ball. It's like twisting
Speaker 2: the cap of a two liter bottle. Absolutely draws some
Speaker 2: eyes when you do it. It's a very fond memory
Speaker 2: of mine, being like a twelve year old going into
Speaker 2: the theater.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Castaway, did you ever see the film? I
Speaker 1: might have brought this up to you. All is lost. No,
Speaker 1: it was Robert Redford, I believe his last I did
Speaker 1: see it. I did see that. Yeah, that was another
Speaker 1: one too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not it's a lot of quiet, not a
Speaker 3: lot happening, but it's much shorter than casting.
Speaker 2: Oh you remember, he was a very artistic man. The
Speaker 2: fact that he did Winter Soldier was actually very out
Speaker 2: of character for him.
Speaker 3: Once he had there's certain actors that do that, yeah,
Speaker 3: that you're like, oh really they're they're they're doing a
Speaker 3: Marvel movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, he's definitely one of them for sure.
Speaker 2: And it's like mahrschel maherschel Ali Yes played like I
Speaker 2: heard that, Like, yeah, right, he's another one as well.
Speaker 2: There's a handful of them. Anthony Hopkins is Odin caught
Speaker 2: me off guard. Yeah, I forgot about that one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a couple in there. But to bring it full circle, oh,
Speaker 2: Christian Bale as for the God Butcher the a good
Speaker 2: part of that movie. What a waste of his talents.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I say all that to say, uh, not
Speaker 2: to say I didn't enjoy this flick, that being the
Speaker 2: Bone Temple, But I definitely didn't need an app to
Speaker 2: tell me when to pee. You could pee for this hour,
Speaker 2: right yeah, and you could pee it just about any
Speaker 2: time of that movie, and you really wouldn't have missed.
Speaker 1: For the most part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a couple of punctuated I think that's
Speaker 2: what kind of makes these movies what they are, is
Speaker 2: there's punctuated action with long think pieces.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think the developing relationship between Kelson
Speaker 3: and Samson, like if you would have missed like that
Speaker 3: early on, you'd be like, wait, what what's that here?
Speaker 1: It's very much but there is a lot of story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. We're doing the second part
Speaker 2: of the three part adapt adaptation of twenty eight years later,
Speaker 2: this one being the bone.
Speaker 3: Before it is gonna be fo It's gonna be four Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's uh.
Speaker 1: And Danny Boyle is directing that the next one.
Speaker 2: Okay, see, so I googled is there going to be
Speaker 2: a third one? And they said, yes, I didn't see
Speaker 2: anything about a fourth, but we're going four deep already.
Speaker 1: Let me let me look this up here, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm getting.
Speaker 2: This, because this one definitely ends on a quasi cliffhanger
Speaker 2: as well, not anything edge of your seat wise, but
Speaker 2: enough to make you say, oh, I wonder what the
Speaker 2: next step in this process is going to be, which
Speaker 2: is enough. It was enough to make me go home
Speaker 2: and google have they already been greenlit for a third one?
Speaker 2: Because my interest is peaked and.
Speaker 3: Untitled untitled fifth film's yeah.
Speaker 1: So oh wait, but is that clounting Days and Weeks
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 3: Plus these days weeks, years and then bone fourth and
Speaker 3: then the fifth is untitled?
Speaker 2: Okay, so the third one in this little iteration, but
Speaker 2: it does look like it's going to go full circle
Speaker 2: with the last album.
Speaker 3: Alex Garland, who is the screenwriter for Days and Weeks,
Speaker 3: is a screenwriter for this one, and Danny Boyle confirming
Speaker 3: last January he would direct the third film in the
Speaker 3: new trilogy.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how is that the new trilogy? That's
Speaker 1: how I look at it, because technically one unless you're
Speaker 1: unless well okay, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't get that at all, because even if you're
Speaker 3: counting Years and Bone as one, then this would be
Speaker 3: the second film.
Speaker 2: See I'm viewing Years, Bone, and then this third one
Speaker 2: is going to be three films of a trilogy that,
Speaker 2: while they technically connect with the first two movies, are
Speaker 2: their own thing. That's how I'm kind of been viewing it,
Speaker 2: And I think this one goes if you saw the
Speaker 2: first one which is available on Netflix. That one ends
Speaker 2: and this one. As I told you during our tees
Speaker 2: direct continuation of where that ends, if you watch this one,
Speaker 2: you could watch twenty eight weeks later and not necessarily
Speaker 2: have seen twenty eight days later. You could not watch
Speaker 2: Bone Temple and not have seen twenty eight years later.
Speaker 2: You'd have no idea about anything.
Speaker 3: No, you'd have some I well, yeah, no, you really should, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because there are some new stuff that's introduced here, like
Speaker 3: the band of Jimmy's, the Jimmy's, the finger band. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the finger Band, the finger Gang. That was wow. Careful
Speaker 3: how I say that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, the fingers Gang. They did not appear in years
Speaker 3: until the very very end of the movie.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, and now they were kind of like a central
Speaker 3: the central part or a central part of this film.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The way I'm describing it to people. I was talking
Speaker 2: with APL's John Jordan about it, and I said, it's
Speaker 2: the movie was essentially a mixture of a watered down
Speaker 2: Devil's Rejects and an art house like film that like
Speaker 2: has some very artistic qualities to it. That is, someone
Speaker 2: who enjoys cinema I liked very much and is someone
Speaker 2: who enjoyed Devil's Rejects I liked very much. And I
Speaker 2: was sitting there and I'm interested in your take on
Speaker 2: this because for me, having been twelve years old watching
Speaker 2: Rob Zombie's wife do horrible things to strangers in a
Speaker 2: hotel room, me seeing this movie, I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 2: I'm a little squeamish right now. These guys are getting
Speaker 2: a little left up right now. And I was like,
Speaker 2: mainstream audiences might struggle with this a little bit, because
Speaker 2: if you haven't grown up on it, maybe, But you're saying, no,
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: Not get that feeling at all. Are you talking specifically
Speaker 3: about the barn?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the only thing. And even then I
Speaker 3: didn't think that was It was like.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like I was going to walk out.
Speaker 2: I'm viewing it. For me, I was fine. I'm saying
Speaker 2: all the mariage that you.
Speaker 3: Could say this about as far as how mainstream audience
Speaker 3: was to take it, This to me is bizarre that that.
Speaker 2: You know not at all, Because again, and I'll bring
Speaker 2: it back to a conversation we've had on this podcast,
Speaker 2: the intro to Nagan and I actually looked this up
Speaker 2: so that I knew I was right that is viewed
Speaker 2: as one of the low points from the masses of
Speaker 2: what Walking Dead was, whereas I thought that was the
Speaker 2: best episode they've ever done, and yeah, it's definitely top three.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the best and Amerisy, so
Speaker 2: maybe you're a little more skewed than you realize.
Speaker 3: What the mass I would just assume that everybody's like me.
Speaker 3: I did not read the Walking Dead graphic novel.
Speaker 1: I neither. I need no idea.
Speaker 3: But once I got into the show, like two seasons in, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm going to see how much it matches up with
Speaker 3: the graphic novel and what they're doing on the television show.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, just I'll get there, all right.
Speaker 1: So I'm seeing, like what matches up and what does it? Right?
Speaker 3: Well, what's the next logical step? The next logical step
Speaker 3: is seeing, Hey, I wonder what happens in the graphic
Speaker 3: novel next?
Speaker 1: No? Sure?
Speaker 3: And so then so I knew it was coming, Okay,
Speaker 3: I knew that this whole. I knew the introduction Megan
Speaker 3: would at least be a play on it, so it
Speaker 3: did not catch me off guard. Now the second part,
Speaker 3: while spoiler alert, it kills a second person. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's what I was like, Oh, you know, because you
Speaker 3: have to do something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's about to cut Carl's arm off, and
Speaker 2: they make you think that Rick's gonna die in the
Speaker 2: back of that truck or whatever that thing was. It
Speaker 2: was just an hour of dread. This was only about
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen minutes. And again, I don't want to
Speaker 2: turn anybody off to it. Like I was thoroughly enjoyed.
Speaker 2: And again, it was very light compared to other stuff
Speaker 2: I've seen. But I also know a lot of mainstream
Speaker 2: audiences tend to stray away from that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and I was surprised.
Speaker 1: And to put some perspective on I'll tell this, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this.
Speaker 3: I think mainstream audiences would be more upset about the
Speaker 3: gratuitous and frequent male frontal nudity in this in this
Speaker 3: film than they would about the violence the barn scene. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and ray Fied's I mean fines, Ray Fines. I didn't
Speaker 3: need to see, you know, when he's in the bumper.
Speaker 1: What the hell? Man?
Speaker 2: Second time we've seen it though. We wasn't he a
Speaker 2: red dragon? Isn't he red dragon?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we we got, we got Uh he hung
Speaker 2: dong and uh. There was actually rumors that they had
Speaker 2: to use c g I to shrink it because it
Speaker 2: hung so low in the silhouettes that that audiences wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to take it. I was a child when
Speaker 2: that rumor came out. I don't know if it's real
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 3: I heard Michael Fastbender, that's that's oh yeah, he's he's
Speaker 3: the one with the big swinging.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I also heard from not that I want to turn
Speaker 3: this into a celebrity mail genital with it, but yeah,
Speaker 3: because Clooney made at like the Golden Globes. He made
Speaker 3: reference to some movie that Michael Fassbender did that year
Speaker 3: where he did full frontal and and Clooney compared his
Speaker 3: little Fastbender to a golf club. And I also heard this,
Speaker 3: and I can't remember who said this. This is like
Speaker 3: a famous famous female musician. I think that toured with
Speaker 3: all these different like all these different musical acts, right, okay,
Speaker 3: And this was like a long time ago, and I
Speaker 3: think she's still alive, but she's definitely, you know, much
Speaker 3: closer to death than birth. And somebody asked her because
Speaker 3: I guess she slept with a lot of the acts,
Speaker 3: the male acts she toured with, and they're like, well,
Speaker 3: who had the biggest you know, and she said, hands down,
Speaker 3: not close.
Speaker 1: Huey Lewis. Huey Lewis apparently was the had the most
Speaker 1: impressive member. So there you go. That's good to know.
Speaker 1: That's good to know. These are the kind of coment
Speaker 1: that's my extent of celebrity mail Cheditalia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that wasn't that the premise and knocked up
Speaker 2: they were going to start a website based on this
Speaker 2: kind of thing. People care, people are interested in it now.
Speaker 2: But let me let me paint a picture for you
Speaker 2: here of what I saw. So I went on Monday,
Speaker 2: which was a holiday for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Day. Were you off? I don't. I
Speaker 1: mean I work on Christmas? Okay, perfect? Perfect?
Speaker 2: Yes, I was not off either. So but I chose
Speaker 2: to go to the Monday showing because it was National
Speaker 2: Movie Theater Popcorn Day, so you got a free large
Speaker 2: at ten dollars.
Speaker 3: Large was free, which is smart on their part as
Speaker 3: far as marketing goes, because they know a lot of
Speaker 3: people that are not working that day. Hey, let's get
Speaker 3: into theater.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: See, so this is how we know Balky's smarter than Ben.
Speaker 2: I see free movie theater popcorn, do not make the
Speaker 2: connection that it is also a holiday. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to check this flick out on Monday instead
Speaker 2: of Tuesday to get the free I'll pay the extra
Speaker 2: two bucks for the ticket, get the free popcorn turn
Speaker 2: out plus eight bucks. Right, Yeah, So I go on Monday.
Speaker 2: There is not a spot in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: It is full. But was everybody seeing? I mean, what
Speaker 1: was your theater?
Speaker 2: Like? So I get in line and there's a there's
Speaker 2: a mom, there's children everywhere. It was like I entered
Speaker 2: a Chuck e Cheese. There's children around everywhere.
Speaker 1: What was the big kids movie? SpongeBob Oh?
Speaker 2: And I think there's one other cartoon out there that
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with. I'm not I'm blanking on the
Speaker 2: name of it. I don't know what's out there right now.
Speaker 2: I actually the people in front of me got turned away.
Speaker 2: The movie they had driven there to see was sold
Speaker 2: out and they would have had to wait two and
Speaker 2: a half hours to catch the next available showing of
Speaker 2: what was there?
Speaker 3: They do have televisions and a restaurant in there. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: I could kill some time.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure they did something and got in there.
Speaker 1: So I walk up.
Speaker 2: They obviously know me, and I kind of grimaced. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm a little skeptical now that I see this crowd.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, what is it today? And I went
Speaker 2: Bone Temple and they scoff and they go, oh, you'll
Speaker 2: be fine, and they bring the list up and I'm
Speaker 2: in the Imax theater. Oh wow, three seats are taken.
Speaker 2: Oh so you could stretch out in a packed thea
Speaker 2: in a packed building, pack building.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nobody had any interest in seeing this movie, and I
Speaker 2: looked it up. And while they weren't expecting massive numbers,
Speaker 2: the projection was twenty million dollars nationwide. In terms of
Speaker 2: box office, they got closer to thirteen. So it is
Speaker 2: underperforming in a lot of ways, which is interesting there.
Speaker 2: But I sometimes when did the last one come out?
Speaker 2: I mean less than a year?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: For some reason, I know I'm wrong, but for some reason,
Speaker 2: my mind says January. But we were not doing this
Speaker 2: show last January, and we did this show and we
Speaker 2: did that movie.
Speaker 1: When it was in theaters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't remember when the release date was,
Speaker 2: but for some reason, it felt like it was early
Speaker 2: in the year. It obviously wasn't. So if I had
Speaker 2: to guess, August, does that feel right? I'm looking it
Speaker 2: up right now, Yeah, it feels like August. If I didn't,
Speaker 2: if we weren't recording right now, I could look up
Speaker 2: which episode number it was for, uh, for the June twentieth. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, so six months turnaround. It's not that much.
Speaker 2: But it was a positive reviewed. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a good movie, as I thought this one was as well.
Speaker 2: Not Groundbreak, not anything I hadn't seen before in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, you say that, but I think the biggest
Speaker 3: piece of information, or the biggest reveal of the continuing
Speaker 3: storyline is treating the rage virus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you not get just just a scent of
Speaker 2: a I AM legend during that whole that that whole
Speaker 2: like that wasn't that like Will Smith's Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay premise? So I guess, yes, we have seen
Speaker 3: it before. Yeah, but I liked it when when I mean,
Speaker 3: because you got to give you gotta give the audiences
Speaker 3: new and all of a sudden Oh there's a way
Speaker 3: out potentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it definitely humanizes it. And I can't tell.
Speaker 2: I think I know what they're going for in this flick,
Speaker 2: and I like the idea, and I kind of like
Speaker 2: the idea that it's almost like your your cure to
Speaker 2: the rage virus, but sort of like and that's the
Speaker 2: best that I can say without spoiling things, because the
Speaker 2: scene when you kind of start to see people maybe
Speaker 2: start to recognize things, they do it in a way
Speaker 2: that you're like, man, uh, that's definitely still way stronger
Speaker 2: than most humans. I mean, the alpha is a big dude.
Speaker 2: I don't I have his name. You're talking about the bus?
Speaker 1: Yeah? The bus? Yeah? Yeah? You think that was real?
Speaker 1: Do I think it was real? Yeah? Or imagined? Oh see,
Speaker 1: I was Okay, that's an interesting thing. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I because I was watching it, I didn't know
Speaker 1: if it was if this.
Speaker 2: Was Oh, I like where this is going? What made
Speaker 2: you think it was? It didn't even cross my mind
Speaker 2: that it could have been imagine.
Speaker 3: Because it's flashing back and forth between a real memory
Speaker 3: he had, right, yeah, and then real life and then
Speaker 3: sort of like the different characters in the scene are
Speaker 3: switching back and forth between their blending memory and real life, right,
Speaker 3: or they're blending memory and yeah real life right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I didn't know if I was watching something
Speaker 3: in Samson's mind or if this was taking place in
Speaker 3: the real world but in a very different way than
Speaker 3: it was taking place in his miss I was gonna
Speaker 3: ask you about, Oh God, because I didn't know if.
Speaker 2: It turns out in the third movie that you're spot
Speaker 2: on A, you're a genius.
Speaker 3: And B I'm not a genius. Ben, I just don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just bringing it up as a possibility.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I'm at the point now where if it was, if
Speaker 2: it weren't imagined, I'm gonna be frustrated because I think
Speaker 2: that's such an interesting plot twist on something that we
Speaker 2: have seen before that I would love to see. And
Speaker 2: it leaned into can we get into the first one
Speaker 2: since it's on Netflix, like, can I talk about stuff?
Speaker 1: Okay? When he sees what I'm assuming was.
Speaker 2: His wife or maybe as a rage virus, or maybe
Speaker 2: because I think he was infected fairly young in his life,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the alpha in the first scene in
Speaker 2: the bus. He watches the pregnant woman get killed by
Speaker 2: the kid who's running around with that other dweeby looking
Speaker 2: guy and his mom. We watched the pregnant rage virus
Speaker 2: woman get killed in the first one. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: can tell even in his most rage induced hysteria, there
Speaker 2: is a look of recognition that someone important to him
Speaker 2: had died and that was before any of this movie happened.
Speaker 2: And that's what I think I love most about this
Speaker 2: trilogy is it's starting. It's almost like several seasons of
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones starting narratives with no interest in actually
Speaker 2: finishing them. And given the way this one ended, the
Speaker 2: alpha is gonna be in the third one, like without
Speaker 2: a doubt, Like we're going to learn more as this
Speaker 2: kind of progresses here. But there's definitely an interesting development,
Speaker 2: like I find that they even when they are rage induced,
Speaker 2: they can recognize humanity, which then begs the question was
Speaker 2: Ralph finds working with him prior and we didn't see
Speaker 2: it before the first film? Or is there that level
Speaker 2: of humanity in every single one of these people. It's
Speaker 2: these interesting questions that I think would really make it fun.
Speaker 1: What do you think provoked I mean.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm assuming that this relationship we had between say, well,
Speaker 3: i'll call them the Alpha since that's I want to
Speaker 3: keep everybody on the same pace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Samson and Out, Yeah we have Samson is the
Speaker 2: Alpha Alphas. The Samson Finkle is Einhorneyles second detective reference today. Anyway,
Speaker 2: what was the first one? Haley not on the air
Speaker 2: on my show mentioned it because of Lace's out. I
Speaker 2: don't remember how we got there, but in the event
Speaker 2: carry on.
Speaker 3: So so obviously the the inspiration for him to sort
Speaker 3: of drug the Alpha is companionship, right, Yeah, okay, But
Speaker 3: then what provoked him to think.
Speaker 1: That that.
Speaker 3: He that there was still a human there was still
Speaker 3: humanity inside the Alpha. Was it just natural observation or
Speaker 3: did he was this something that he was trying to
Speaker 3: really test the theory on that that there is still
Speaker 3: like this rage virus could be cured or at least,
Speaker 3: you know, mitigated to some extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of Column May,
Speaker 2: a little bit of col Um b U. There is
Speaker 2: a conversation and this will tie into the question you asked.
Speaker 2: There's a conversation between the main Jimmy and Fines. We
Speaker 2: have to talk about the Jimmy the fa We'll absolutely
Speaker 2: get into it. But they have a pretty long discussion,
Speaker 2: which was good. And I'm sitting there and you know me,
Speaker 2: I'm a subtext guy, and I'm watching a Satanist, devout
Speaker 2: religious fanatic that is actually more on the ball than
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are willing to give
Speaker 2: him credit. Talk to an educated doctor of science who,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is kind of losing it a little
Speaker 2: bit as a result of isolation. And I was like,
Speaker 2: what a strange combination of people to be talking right now,
Speaker 2: So for you to ask why do I think in
Speaker 2: my mind, based on what I was taking out of
Speaker 2: that movie in that particular moment, I'm like, he's kind
Speaker 2: of losing it. He has pictures of what seems to
Speaker 2: be a wife and family that existed, and he's living
Speaker 2: on his own in this film, and I think he
Speaker 2: is desperate for any kind of companionship, and he takes
Speaker 2: some pretty big chances that could have resulted in death
Speaker 2: throughout this movie with pretty little care for whether or
Speaker 2: not that death would have happened.
Speaker 3: You know what he kind of reminded me of. And you're
Speaker 3: kind of driving this home now, is in the Walking
Speaker 3: Dad Morgan. Yeah, Morgan had this family, but he lived
Speaker 3: on his own. You we as an audience, always thought
Speaker 3: Morgan was gonna die, to the point where Morgan starts
Speaker 3: his like catchphrase was I don't die, you know, like
Speaker 3: like okay, well I guess. And that's what it was
Speaker 3: with Kelson too, like just whatever decisions this dude makes,
Speaker 3: he doesn't die.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, but yeah, does that Does that resonate
Speaker 2: with you then or do you think another No?
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think like at a certain point when
Speaker 3: you're isolating, I mean, how long had he been isolated?
Speaker 1: Do we know? Was it all twenty eight years? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 2: How how early on something like that happened? And I
Speaker 2: like how this movie doesn't hold your hand, like they
Speaker 2: don't spoon feed you stuff. They allow you to infer things.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I'm assuming they digitally did it.
Speaker 2: He looks a lot younger in the photographs than yeah
Speaker 2: than he does in the uh hair. Yeah, so it
Speaker 2: seems like it's been a minute, not that you're running
Speaker 2: around taking pictures ten years into his zombie apocalypse, but
Speaker 2: based on context clues, it seems like he's been alone
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: I guess your mind starts to do weird things at
Speaker 3: that point. Yeah, I mean this what what was this
Speaker 3: thing memory?
Speaker 1: The thing that he always says, oh, son of a gun, I.
Speaker 3: Don't memory, mento, memento mori or whatever it was, which
Speaker 3: is the tribute, not the tribute to the death, but
Speaker 3: the reminder of death.
Speaker 1: And that's why he constructed the bone temple.
Speaker 3: Essentially, that's not normal behavior obviously, no, but you got
Speaker 3: to occupy your mind somehow, and and so I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like I think the Samson thing for me was just
Speaker 3: sort of this natural progression of I I need to
Speaker 3: do something I needed. It's we talked about this before.
Speaker 3: Once people retire, that's when deaths start to happen because
Speaker 3: they have no purpose of life at it. So in
Speaker 3: order for him to have purpose of life in the
Speaker 3: zombie in this particular zombie apocalypse, the rage virus, which
Speaker 3: really isn't an apocalypse because we know it's it's quarantined,
Speaker 3: right like the rest of the world is good the
Speaker 3: or at least good ish, you have to have a
Speaker 3: purpose of life, and I think his purpose is like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I need to do something here.
Speaker 1: I need to I need to have my work matter.
Speaker 1: I need to have my life matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, And I mean, you see that in the
Speaker 2: first movie, right he's he's diagnosing people. He helps the
Speaker 2: young kid's name. I'm blanking on it right now, Spike.
Speaker 2: He helps him and his mom or you know, for
Speaker 2: lack of a better term, helps them. Given the tools
Speaker 2: that he had in front of him in terms of
Speaker 2: surviving a quote unquote apocalypse, he actually has a lot
Speaker 2: more purpose that I would argue most people behind themselves
Speaker 2: in Yeah, Bully, I mean, I'm sitting there. You have
Speaker 2: like familial instincts to keep you running. I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: watching that movie, and I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Dude,
Speaker 2: there are days when I'm like, man, I'm tired. I
Speaker 2: don't feel like going to the grocery store today. Like
Speaker 2: the idea of going out and forging for food every day,
Speaker 2: just to have to go and do it again tomorrow eating.
Speaker 1: I don't want to live in that.
Speaker 2: I have no I'm assuming he goes out and you
Speaker 2: saw even the Alpha eating blackberries and whatnot. Clearly there
Speaker 2: was some kind of plant life going on in the region.
Speaker 2: The dude's not a dummy. Doctor Kelson isn't a dummy.
Speaker 2: He picked a spot that had some food and he
Speaker 2: hangs out there. I really enjoyed his arc.
Speaker 1: Throughout that movie. I thought.
Speaker 2: I thought it was well done, and it's an interesting
Speaker 2: take befriending somebody. It's almost like a serious take on
Speaker 2: the ending to Sean of the Dead when he's gaming
Speaker 2: with his buddy in the who's been turned into a
Speaker 2: zombie pros but they're trying to kind of maintain what
Speaker 2: life was before he became a zombie.
Speaker 3: It's like a more and there's there's something, there's something
Speaker 3: still within.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And so I thought it was a funny
Speaker 2: take on some It's again something we've seen, but a
Speaker 2: unique take on it that I thought was that I
Speaker 2: thought was really enjoyable. But to be frank, those scenes
Speaker 2: were good. But when Ben was locking into this movie,
Speaker 2: was anytime that the Jimmys were on screen?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I want to get it activating now.
Speaker 3: Now Jack O'Connell plays the main Jimmy, Sir Jimmy Okay
Speaker 3: in this brilliant actor. I feel like i'd seen him before.
Speaker 3: I went and looked at his credits. I don't remember
Speaker 3: ever seeing it. Interesting, and he's done a lot of
Speaker 3: British television and a lot of British films, but he
Speaker 3: has that. Oh before we get onto the Jimmy's we
Speaker 3: talked about this on your show, Aaron Taylor Johnson with.
Speaker 1: The was he in this movie? Yeah? Confirmed not.
Speaker 3: And I looked at that really close because you told
Speaker 3: me to pay attention to that. You see how I
Speaker 3: could get confused totally because I was looking at it close.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the hairline, that's what drew
Speaker 3: me in. There's like this one shot where he's sort
Speaker 3: of on the ground right before it happens. The hairline
Speaker 3: is really high, and then you look at the facial
Speaker 3: structure and it's much wider than Aaron Taylor Johnson. So
Speaker 3: at that point, and then I confirmed when I looked
Speaker 3: up the credits on this movie.
Speaker 1: He didn't even get an uncredited assurance on this.
Speaker 2: Without spoiling what happened on my radio show, I brought
Speaker 2: it up with Bulk because that's a pretty mainline actor
Speaker 2: who realistically was only in fifteen minutes of the first
Speaker 2: one as well.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on more than that, way more.
Speaker 2: Once they got back to the city. He really wasn't relevant.
Speaker 2: The mom and the kid leave but left.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me he was only on screen for fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes in that movie. It was much longer. It's definitely not.
Speaker 3: Dude, Aaron Taylor Johnson in the first twenty eight years
Speaker 3: later is on screen. Uh huh ah, hell of a
Speaker 3: lot more than fifteen I'm gonna have to rewatch it
Speaker 3: now and I'll get back to dude. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: he's in it for the first act. He's in the
Speaker 3: movie for the first act.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about it specific actor, You're talking about
Speaker 1: the whole film.
Speaker 2: About the whole film, dude, he's in the first act
Speaker 2: and then the second and third act is the kid
Speaker 2: and the mom trying to figure out how to get
Speaker 2: her health feed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they still flash back to him for like seconds,
Speaker 3: and then he's in at the end too.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm telling it's more than fifteen minutes, saying it's
Speaker 1: not thirty.
Speaker 3: I wonder if you could google that. Yeah, yeah, good,
Speaker 3: do me a favorite. Do me a favorite. Google Aaron
Speaker 3: Taylor Johnson twenty eight years later, screen time and just
Speaker 3: see what pops up. And if it's not one of
Speaker 3: the top returns are one of the top results, then
Speaker 3: it's going to take some more internet gymnastics to find
Speaker 3: this out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will remember this conversation perfect two weeks. Well, well,
Speaker 2: well I'm just gonna use AI, so take yeah. In
Speaker 2: twenty eight years later, Aaron Taylor Johnson's screen time was
Speaker 2: surprisingly limited, with some viewers estimating around twenty minutes, despite
Speaker 2: his prominent.
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes isn't much more than fifteen.
Speaker 3: It's more than fifteen, Okay. That's my point is like
Speaker 3: you're setting the over rudder at fifteen, I'm taking the
Speaker 3: over right, So he is.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Make it seem like he is this huge, massive part
Speaker 3: of twenty eight years later.
Speaker 1: That was never my contention. Sure, I just.
Speaker 2: Meant it was given his his his name presence. It
Speaker 2: is a tremendously reduced role comparatively. Maybe they couldn't afford
Speaker 2: It makes me think he's going to be a very
Speaker 2: prominent role in the third one totally, because you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't sign somebody like that to use them for
Speaker 2: not fifteen And and.
Speaker 1: He didn't die, right, right, I mean, like we know
Speaker 1: he's still out there.
Speaker 2: Right, and so one character during the movie who does
Speaker 2: get whacked really looks like Aaron Taylor Johnson, and it
Speaker 2: turns out it was not him, so I expect to
Speaker 2: see him in the third movie.
Speaker 3: Now on to the Jimmys. So, and this was something
Speaker 3: I fell down the rabbit hole on. The Jimmies are
Speaker 3: a gang.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know why they're called fingers. I think Jack
Speaker 3: O'Connell's character kind of talked about that, like they make
Speaker 3: up a fist, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, but there's seven of them, so there because he's like,
Speaker 2: I needed a really strong fist, so I have seven
Speaker 2: fingers still, yeah, and he will.
Speaker 3: Have tryouts for this finger gang j right, like the
Speaker 3: like and basically, if you kill one of the Jimmies,
Speaker 3: you take that Jimmy spot. So the gang never gets
Speaker 3: bigger than seven, right, It's always seven, and we see
Speaker 3: some some of these fights happen in this movie.
Speaker 1: Now here.
Speaker 3: Here's the biggest thing. Do you know the inspiration of
Speaker 3: the Jimmies. Yes, okay, so Jimmy and I think I'm
Speaker 3: pronouncing this right Seville. Yeah, that's how i'd say it, Okay,
Speaker 3: was sort of like a Dick Clark British version, right,
Speaker 3: he was a famous DJ in England in real life.
Speaker 1: In real life, this happened famous.
Speaker 3: DJ hosted Top of the Pops, hosted Jim Will Fix
Speaker 3: It like this massive like he was. He was like
Speaker 3: Casey Kasem, Dick Clark. Yeah, this huge, larger than like
Speaker 3: Shadow Stevens, larger than life DJ. Only I would make
Speaker 3: the contention that he was way bigger in Britain than
Speaker 3: any of those guys were in America, like Rick D's
Speaker 3: or any of these guys Wolfman.
Speaker 1: Jack right on the ups.
Speaker 3: So what happened was there was some sexual assault allegations
Speaker 3: later on in his life, his lawyers and him denied it.
Speaker 3: He passes away I want to say, a cancer or
Speaker 3: something at an old age. I mean I think he
Speaker 3: was in his late seventies or early eighties, something like that.
Speaker 3: And then afterwards they all these people came forward and
Speaker 3: it was like hundreds, like four hundred instances of sexual
Speaker 3: assault or whatever. And Scotland Yard looked into this and
Speaker 3: they found out that this guy was maybe not maybe
Speaker 3: like he was one inarguably one of the biggest sexual
Speaker 3: predators that England has ever had, United Kingdom's ever had. Okay,
Speaker 3: so this is his legacy now and they're tearing down
Speaker 3: statues and taking his name off stuff that was named
Speaker 3: after him during his lifetime. Like, this guy looked like
Speaker 3: a he looks like a total scary ass predator.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he looks like Nick Cage's character in Long Legs.
Speaker 1: But in real life.
Speaker 3: Now Long Legs is Okay, it wasn't Nicholas spoiler alert,
Speaker 3: wasn't Nicholas Cage Long Legs. Yeah, okay, Long Legs is
Speaker 3: way creepier than Jamie Seville now, just sure because he's
Speaker 3: a real life person.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Seville is. But I'm saying, you take it like aesthetically.
Speaker 3: So they made up I think it was like a
Speaker 3: made for TV mini series or movie in England about
Speaker 3: this guy. And I like, if you look at him,
Speaker 3: he just he has that kind of yeah, he's got
Speaker 3: the track suits, creepy kind of like like vibe.
Speaker 1: He gives up.
Speaker 3: But he was beloved and he donated all this money
Speaker 3: and he was like like with this great humanitarian while
Speaker 3: he was alive, but apparently he wasn't. And Steve Coogan,
Speaker 3: who is one of my favorite actors, played him in
Speaker 3: this in this uh whatever it's called this, Jimmy Seville documentary,
Speaker 3: like that wasn't a documentary because it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a drama. It was made up,
Speaker 1: but it was. But it's based on Like when Cuba
Speaker 1: cutting Junior played OJ and I will say.
Speaker 3: Uh, it was that the American Ever Story, crime story.
Speaker 3: You're either gonna this is either gonna blow your mind
Speaker 3: or Okay, so we have to we have to bring
Speaker 3: it back. No, no, no, no, I don't want to
Speaker 3: bring it back. I want to I want to add
Speaker 3: to it because I don't know if you were aware
Speaker 3: of this and just didn't bring it up, or if
Speaker 3: this is gonna make your jaw drop.
Speaker 1: But in Britain it was.
Speaker 2: Actually the ending to the first movie was a controversy
Speaker 2: because just showing Jimmy Seville in Britain is viewed as
Speaker 2: a big, big no no.
Speaker 1: Like people do not bullew it hold on in Britain.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't show this guy.
Speaker 2: They don't reference that it happened. They don't want to
Speaker 2: pay any homage to him. They don't want any kind
Speaker 2: of reference to Jimmy Seville. And the first movie is
Speaker 2: twenty eight years later, you know when he died. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is wild. This is absolutely wild.
Speaker 3: The movie came out twenty eight years later after he
Speaker 3: passes way, okay, so.
Speaker 2: So it's okay, twenty eight years later this whole thing,
Speaker 2: I think is a reference to that story in a
Speaker 2: lot of way. That is making a lot of people
Speaker 2: in England very uncomfortable that the diving.
Speaker 3: I remember that there was a huge controversy when this
Speaker 3: came out. Yeah when twenty eight years later came out,
Speaker 3: and I didn't understand the controversy, right, And now I'm okay,
Speaker 3: so this makes sense. And the other thing too, is
Speaker 3: like the fingers are fairly young. How would they know
Speaker 3: who Jimmy Siville was. I mean maybe Jack O'Connell's character would, sure,
Speaker 3: because he he looks like he's like thirty ish.
Speaker 2: Right, right, I mean you and I not that were,
Speaker 2: you know, the paragons of understanding foreign relationships here. But
Speaker 2: I feel like I know a lot about a lot
Speaker 2: about a famous serial killers and stuff like that. Like
Speaker 2: I feel like something about this guy would have popped
Speaker 2: up in front of me over the course of thirty
Speaker 2: eight years of being on this earth.
Speaker 3: And I but he was, but but this was he
Speaker 3: never went to prison for anything. Sure's you know, and
Speaker 3: he was never charged I mean anything that they investigated
Speaker 3: him and they couldn't charge him with him.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, man, his name is much more
Speaker 2: known now than it was probably June in America.
Speaker 3: In America, yeah, I mean in Britain it's still now,
Speaker 3: it's maybe less known because they're trying to erase that part.
Speaker 2: It's like some Freddy Krueger ship where they just don't
Speaker 2: don't say his name.
Speaker 1: We can't Baltimart, right right, it just doesn't.
Speaker 2: Isn't that funny? Now you gotta wonder because that's also British.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder all the time, like was that
Speaker 2: with these Although that was a little before he passed,
Speaker 2: so maybe, but now I'm Jerry Potter. Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: like ninety nine. I guess that was less than twenty
Speaker 2: eight years ago. Maybe maybe hold on, hold on, hold on?
Speaker 2: When did the first film come out? Early two thousands?
Speaker 2: But the first book was read to me when I
Speaker 2: was in sixth grade in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so that and Voldemort was already established in
Speaker 3: the book and.
Speaker 1: He was he who must not be named.
Speaker 2: But nineteen ninety nine was twenty seven years ago, so
Speaker 2: twenty eight years ago he died.
Speaker 1: Is JK. Rowling sitting there thinking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but they didn't have that. They didn't have
Speaker 3: they didn't have this sort of name embargo on Jimmy Seville.
Speaker 3: Probably not back then. Probably not.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think you're reading too much of it.
Speaker 1: You Probably it's fun to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's it's a unique coincidence now that I'm
Speaker 2: kind of just putting pieces together. Welcome outside the box, ladies, and.
Speaker 3: So anyway, so Jack O'Connell, his character comes up with
Speaker 3: this Fingers gang, right, and they're all dressed like Jimmy Seville.
Speaker 3: They all have like the sort of like platinum blonde hair.
Speaker 3: Some of it's real like some of them actually have it.
Speaker 3: Some of them have to wear wigs. And they let
Speaker 3: movie meteor Man you're seeing.
Speaker 1: With Eddie Murphy? Was he in that? I think? I
Speaker 1: don't think it's Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2: I think it's a guy looks like Eddie Murphy, and
Speaker 2: the whole gang has like a they all look like
Speaker 2: Dennis Rodman, Like the whole gang has like that blonde streak.
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking of. Meteor Man.
Speaker 2: Meteor Man, the guy gets hit by Metior and he
Speaker 2: has the strangest combination of power. Was it Robert Townsend?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I saw it as a kid. He could
Speaker 2: touch a book and for thirty seconds he knew all
Speaker 2: the information in the book, and then he'd immediately forget it,
Speaker 2: Like it was one of those kind of.
Speaker 3: Starring Robert Townsend nineteen ninety three, Uh, Marla Gibbs, Eddie Griffin,
Speaker 3: Robert Gillome who was Benson from soap, James Earl Jones,
Speaker 3: Bill Cosby, and of course another bad creation.
Speaker 1: I gotta watch this movie. It's great, dude, It's awful,
Speaker 1: but it's special.
Speaker 3: Listen to this special appearances by Luther Vandross Sindbad Naughty
Speaker 3: by Nature, Cypress Hill and Big Daddy Kane.
Speaker 2: Look up, look up the blonde hair like all the
Speaker 2: people in the gang have like a ball of blonde.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So, so Townsend is a mild manner teacher becomes superhero
Speaker 3: after his neighborhood in DC is terrorized by street gangs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Golden Lord there, it is the Golden Lords.
Speaker 1: That's what these are, the white people versions of the
Speaker 1: Golden Repord. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't say anything in here about about like
Speaker 3: you know what they I'd have to watch a trailer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we'll get into that later. Tell me your
Speaker 2: interest is in Peaks.
Speaker 1: Well like the stars of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in any event, so they all he clearly
Speaker 2: has a has a god complex.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Seville does in this movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we have to bring this up. No, not
Speaker 3: Jimmy's sir, Jimmy, Sir Jimmy. Yes, so we have to
Speaker 3: bring this up. And you're a pretty attentive movie watcher,
Speaker 3: so you probably picked up on this the.
Speaker 1: Beginning of twenty eight years later the first film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a scene where this character named Jimmy is
Speaker 3: his is his house is being attacked, and he flees
Speaker 3: into his church. Yeah, the church that his father is
Speaker 3: a minister of. Okay, right when the outbreak starts, right
Speaker 3: when the outbreaks, and the minister is actually happy about
Speaker 3: this because he feels like this is the end of
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 1: He's finally gonna get to heaven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he gives Jimmy, and I don't really understand this,
Speaker 3: he gave Jimmy a crucifix to wear around his neck.
Speaker 3: But it was an upside down Crucifix, which is obviously
Speaker 3: the universal sign of the devil, sign of the devil, right,
Speaker 3: So why does a minister have that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and hold on, hold on, And then so
Speaker 3: he wears this throughout the he's wearing it at the
Speaker 3: end of twenty eight years later, he wears it throughout
Speaker 3: Bone Temple, which did not I didn't understand that. And
Speaker 3: then I was like, so, did he become a Satanist
Speaker 3: because he rejected his father? Did he become a Satanist
Speaker 3: because this is what his father gave? I didn't understand
Speaker 3: the Satanic thing. And then towards the end of the movie,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of parallels and like obvious hit
Speaker 3: you over the head, parallels between Satanism and Christianity. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know which which I I guess I don't really
Speaker 3: fully understand the motive and the theme in that because
Speaker 3: I don't understand why this guy became such a sat You.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I think I think you hit the nail on the
Speaker 2: head with your first description. I think it was the
Speaker 2: lack of structure.
Speaker 3: It was, oh, you know what, I'm forgetting this too,
Speaker 3: he did say. I think it was the barn scene.
Speaker 3: I want it, or maybe it was in when they're
Speaker 3: in that cottage, somebody said praying to God or praying
Speaker 3: to Jesus, and he said, why would you bring up
Speaker 3: either one of those?
Speaker 1: Well, I know what he said. It was a sea word.
Speaker 1: I think he said it the sea word.
Speaker 3: Okay, so he obviously and I wonder if that's maybe
Speaker 3: like a play on like how could And this is
Speaker 3: a lot of people's problem with Christianity, And I totally
Speaker 3: get it. How could a god, an omnipotent, all knowing,
Speaker 3: omniscient god allow stuff like this to happen. So his
Speaker 3: whole thing was, I can't believe in God because of
Speaker 3: this rage virus and the way it destroyed my life
Speaker 3: and all these other lives. So Satan must be the way,
Speaker 3: because Satan is the antithesis of God. Yeah, maybe that's
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I took the family structure out of it
Speaker 2: as well. Essentially I was looking at it as Spike
Speaker 2: very clearly, the little the main little boy from the
Speaker 2: first one, very clearly rejects everything that Jimmy and the
Speaker 2: Fingers are right away and never even really gives them
Speaker 2: a chance to kind of crack into He's scared.
Speaker 1: He's scar that he thinks this is the only way
Speaker 1: to survive.
Speaker 2: But in exactly but in a world where he had
Speaker 2: both of his parents up until the time he was
Speaker 2: twelve years.
Speaker 1: Old, but he rejected his father at the end too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, you know, like like there was there,
Speaker 3: there was he he was he always had, at least
Speaker 3: the way it was portrayed in twenty eight years later,
Speaker 3: he always had this sort of like I feel like
Speaker 3: Aaron Taylor Johnson's character is a little He's portrayed to
Speaker 3: be a little overbearing. Yeah, right, but not to the
Speaker 3: point where Spike doesn't still like that, Like Spike is
Speaker 3: attracted to wanting to please his father and wanting to
Speaker 3: be a man, you know, or whatever, and wanting to
Speaker 3: get his father's approval or whatever. And then something happens
Speaker 3: in the first one, Are we spoiling them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think we're okay.
Speaker 3: Now he's having an affair with Aaron Taylor Johnson. Spike's father,
Speaker 3: Alfie Williams is the actor. Spike's father is having an
Speaker 3: affair with Spike's I want to say teacher school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember how she was.
Speaker 3: And he catches them, but he doesn't know his father
Speaker 3: doesn't know that he knows. So then at that point
Speaker 3: he leaves and he's all about his mother and taking
Speaker 3: care of his mother, and he feels like his dad,
Speaker 3: how could his dad, How could he believe his dad
Speaker 3: is doing the best he can to take care of
Speaker 3: his mother when he's too busy canoodling with this.
Speaker 2: Other parallels between the Jimmy situation and that situation there,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: He never really fully embraced but he doesn't know that.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know that about Sir Jimmy Spike, does not
Speaker 3: know that about this is the audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But that was definitely one of the things that I
Speaker 2: noticed there because so many of the fingers totally bought
Speaker 2: into what was going on, whether they were scared or
Speaker 2: thought it was their only way to survive, especially of them,
Speaker 2: not all of them. And they kind of play with
Speaker 2: that quite a bit. And it's hard to get seven
Speaker 2: people all on the same page about something.
Speaker 3: Unless you're you're in a quarantined place where death is everywhere,
Speaker 3: you're being hunted constantly. I mean, if you find anybody
Speaker 3: that's even if if philosophically and morally you are on
Speaker 3: the polar opposite of them. They are human and they
Speaker 3: know how to survive, and you survive in numbers.
Speaker 2: In if I ever do make a movie, it will
Speaker 2: be a cult. Really, I find the idea of cults
Speaker 2: fascinating and how much they prey on people that are
Speaker 2: in a.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a cult. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: a cult. You don't think I don't think that was
Speaker 3: a cult. I think, and I don't think people believe that.
Speaker 3: I think the Fingers acted the way that they did
Speaker 3: because they felt they had no choice, like to join
Speaker 3: a cult.
Speaker 1: Nobody's forcing you to join a cult.
Speaker 2: At one point, one of them is one hundred percent
Speaker 2: certain they saw Satan walking amongst them. And there's no
Speaker 2: irony in her voice.
Speaker 3: And that was and that was the one who, uh
Speaker 3: was most questioning, Yeah, not most questioning, but like it
Speaker 3: clearly did not want to be a part of the Fingers.
Speaker 3: She was a part of the Fingers because she felt
Speaker 3: this was her best way to service.
Speaker 2: It's actually a line that she says, it's if you
Speaker 2: think it's better out there.
Speaker 1: It isn't right exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which to me is what cults prey on is
Speaker 2: your life sucks outside of the cult. So the cult
Speaker 2: is the safe space, even though it's a bad place
Speaker 2: to be. Trust me, you don't want to be alone.
Speaker 2: That's way worse, right, And like that's the kind.
Speaker 3: Of all right, So maybe we're I think we're getting
Speaker 3: caught up on the yeah, on the terminology here, but
Speaker 3: I think towards the end of it, in like the
Speaker 3: final scene or basically the final scene, not quite the
Speaker 3: final scene, which we have to talk about that too,
Speaker 3: where sort of everything is getting resolved, you're seeing people
Speaker 3: in these high dramatic moments, with these high stakes moments
Speaker 3: where people are revealing to you who they are. Like
Speaker 3: you can tell that these I mean the fingers were scared.
Speaker 3: They were scared people, and I think like the way
Speaker 3: that they treated other people, I mean that's what bullies do.
Speaker 3: And bullies act out because they're scared, because they're they're
Speaker 3: what do you call it when you don't believe in yourself?
Speaker 1: Unconfident? Not yeah, they're not confident, they have low self.
Speaker 3: Esteem, insecure, they're insecure about themselves. And I think where
Speaker 3: we saw that towards the end of the of the
Speaker 3: film as well.
Speaker 1: There's something to be said because he deals with mostly
Speaker 1: children or young adults.
Speaker 3: But he knew he knew, Sir, Jimmy knew who to
Speaker 3: pray on like he knew and how did he battle
Speaker 3: test them? You gotta be able to kill to be part.
Speaker 1: Of the fingers.
Speaker 2: But then when you see Jimmy talking to another equal,
Speaker 2: when you see him talking to doctor Kelson, like where
Speaker 2: it put me mentally watching that is when I do
Speaker 2: my show, I talk about the economy all the time.
Speaker 2: When you put me in front of an economist, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, my bluster about the economy definitely changes tones.
Speaker 2: And when you saw Jimmy talking to a doctor, when
Speaker 2: you saw him like trying to spin his satanic yarn
Speaker 2: to another person who really had his own volition, his
Speaker 2: own capacity to think, you could tell that insecurity was
Speaker 2: popping out a Jimmy dealing with somebody. You gotta find
Speaker 2: the weak minded people who are confused, scared and lost.
Speaker 2: Doctor Kelton was Kelson was not.
Speaker 1: That was so so. The village that Spike came from,
Speaker 1: they knew.
Speaker 2: Of Kelson, right, but I think he was in a
Speaker 2: pariah because wasn't it right? But they don't visit they
Speaker 2: knew about him. Yes, do you think, sir, Jimmy knew
Speaker 2: who Kelson was. Sound like okay, now, was Kelson originally
Speaker 2: part of Spike's village and he was ostracized?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't remember the specifics about it anymore. And because
Speaker 2: I know he was like viewed as like, you don't
Speaker 2: go see that exactly kind of guy. And I don't
Speaker 2: remember how he got that mo o or that.
Speaker 3: I think because of the rumors, Like I'm sure people
Speaker 3: went there, like we saw the foragers, yeah, finding the
Speaker 3: chicken of the woods whatever, the mushrooms, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: they saw this guy, like what's her name, Kelly, as
Speaker 3: we found out her name was like she saw him
Speaker 3: orange skin dancing with with with.
Speaker 1: One of the infected, a huge tower of skulls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, without context, yeah right, I'd be saying the same thing,
Speaker 3: and she's of it.
Speaker 1: Frankly, with the context, I still don't know if you
Speaker 1: want to hang.
Speaker 2: Out with that, That's what I'm saying. And you and
Speaker 2: I are approaching this if we came across that twenty
Speaker 2: eight years from now, we have a memory of this
Speaker 2: moment right now, right we remember when the super Bowl
Speaker 2: was a thing and what society was a lot of
Speaker 2: these kids, they're younger than twenty eight years old. So
Speaker 2: when you see a bone temple with no context of
Speaker 2: how life works, that has to be so much even stranger. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because maybe less to be like, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 2: you might be wrong. I don't know, because we know
Speaker 2: that's off the wall.
Speaker 3: Wait wait exactly When I watch Walking Dead, I have
Speaker 3: to remember that these young kids, they have no concept
Speaker 3: of what the world was like even talking not that
Speaker 3: we live in a zombie apocalypse, but I was talking
Speaker 3: to my kid the other day who has no concept
Speaker 3: of a world without the internet, right, you know, and like,
Speaker 3: it's so that's so bizarre even me. I think back
Speaker 3: to when I was like, right, you know that all
Speaker 3: the time in like first years of high school, in
Speaker 3: grade school before that, there's no internet, Internet.
Speaker 2: Or instant Messenger was basically texting, but you need to
Speaker 2: be in front of the computer all the time, like
Speaker 2: that kind of.
Speaker 3: Stuff, or the phones that you can take with you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, Like it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Which is that's probably one of the coolest parts about
Speaker 2: it being twenty eight years later, and that's to me
Speaker 2: what makes it more depressed. But that's what life is
Speaker 2: at that point exactly. And that was my point. These
Speaker 2: kids everything is gray and depressing. There's no joy. There's
Speaker 2: there's no there. I mean, there's so little joy, I
Speaker 2: should say. And it's so you have to really look
Speaker 2: for the joy in the zombie apocalypse. And these kids
Speaker 2: are brought up in it, you know, and and I
Speaker 2: forget that. And so I don't know if they if
Speaker 2: they run into this now, the older foragers, you know,
Speaker 2: they would remember a time. Oh sure would imagine the.
Speaker 3: Bald guy in the in the that trio, like he
Speaker 3: would probably know. But the other two maybe not.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. And I was sitting there spoiler warning.
Speaker 2: People die from rage monsters throughout this movie.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: You watch one guy, he goes to stab one and
Speaker 2: he just stabs too early and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden he's dead.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that guy made it twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight years without making a single mistake, and like that
Speaker 2: little slip up results in your death. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: a way to freaking live?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the ball guy?
Speaker 2: Uh, there's like a group of three fourds walking and
Speaker 2: they're like, don't go after me, Like we gotta get
Speaker 2: him before he sees us. And he goes to sneak
Speaker 2: up on him, steps on a twig. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: was like, man, for twenty eight years, you lived a
Speaker 2: life where you never made that miss.
Speaker 3: You don't know though he might have made that mistake
Speaker 3: before we got away, got away with that, which it
Speaker 3: would have emboldened him to do that.
Speaker 2: No, no, you don't, but I guess I mean not.
Speaker 2: You don't end up pain for your mistakes. We talking
Speaker 2: to microphones for a living. I don't go a single
Speaker 2: week without making mistakes, whether flubbing up my words or
Speaker 2: saying the wrong thing and forgetting something. The idea of
Speaker 2: going twenty eight years of living a life of like life.
Speaker 3: But it is different, like the consequence for us if
Speaker 3: we if we say something we didn't mean to. Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe we get reprimanded or fined or something. They make
Speaker 3: a mistake, they die. Yeah, you know that makes mistakes
Speaker 3: are different.
Speaker 2: That's and to live that way for almost three decades.
Speaker 2: I'm thirty eight years old, that'd be seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of my life.
Speaker 3: The other thing, too, is like when you when you twenty,
Speaker 3: you go by twenty eight years doing the same thing
Speaker 3: and over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: Forage and whatever.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and at a certain point human nature would dictate,
Speaker 3: not that we need to get off on this. Human
Speaker 3: nature would dictate that you do take it for granted
Speaker 3: at some point, and your mind, your mind simply cannot
Speaker 3: stay one sharp twenty four hours a day, every single day.
Speaker 2: I say that about the Knight's Watch all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm like, so, these guys have been standing there for
Speaker 2: a thousand years waiting for white.
Speaker 1: Wall, but they rotate, right, right.
Speaker 2: But if you've been if you've been rotating for forty
Speaker 2: years and it's your shift, you're telling me you're going
Speaker 2: to be locked in after forty years of nothing, that's gonna.
Speaker 1: Out of wind and snow. Eventually they're gonna sneak up
Speaker 1: on you. I think about that.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, like, they didn't sneak up right right.
Speaker 3: I mean that we're talking about when the Night King
Speaker 3: brought the Dragon. I can't Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 3: was that was the first time the Knights watched some right.
Speaker 1: I think so the wall fell. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That was such a great idea.
Speaker 2: You've been waiting, you've been waiting all this time, or
Speaker 2: even to bring it into like a more scary realistic version.
Speaker 2: You think TSA is as locked in as they were
Speaker 2: in October two thousand and one. Of course, not like
Speaker 2: it is human nature to kind of take the foot
Speaker 2: off the gas after a while, and you're watching twenty
Speaker 2: eight years later. I almost wouldn't even mind seeing that element.
Speaker 3: It's not even taking your it's not even taking your
Speaker 3: foot off the gas. It's just your muscle naturally relaxes.
Speaker 3: Your foot is not putting the same pressure on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you don't even realize it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was an interesting way to show that there, and
Speaker 2: it made me think, I'm just like man after all this,
Speaker 2: to go out just to one random walker, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to call themself, just use walker, one random walker, rajer, yeah, rager.
Speaker 2: Just what a way to go? What a way to go?
Speaker 3: Jimmy, Sir, Jimmy, do you think he picked the character,
Speaker 3: not the character, the role model of Jimmy Seville on
Speaker 3: purpose because he knew of this, you know, this guy's misdeeds,
Speaker 3: and he wanted to pick somebody that was so evil
Speaker 3: that this would be like the walking version of Satan.
Speaker 2: H So I was of the impression that that was
Speaker 2: supposed to be an alternate reality version of Jimmy Seville.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that he was going to be anyone
Speaker 2: other than that.
Speaker 1: I hold on say that again.
Speaker 2: I'm saying I thought he was Jimmy Seville, just in
Speaker 2: a B zombie. Oh no, no, I don't. I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't. That's how I took it. I don't have
Speaker 2: anything to back that up. I wasn't thinking I don't
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 1: I don't have it.
Speaker 3: I just feel like like he inspired Jimmy Seville, inspired
Speaker 3: Sir Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Oh thought he was Jimmy Seville. But twenty eight years later,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, no, he couldn't be that young.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know. I got nothing.
Speaker 2: I got nothing. That's the way that I took it.
Speaker 2: And they were just trying to portray that evil again
Speaker 2: but in a different version, taking advantage of young people.
Speaker 2: Like it's just you kind of see the one to
Speaker 2: one parallels there now the final scene, Yeah we got
Speaker 2: tread lightley here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go hees. So I was gonna ask you,
Speaker 1: how surprised were you? A little bit? A little just
Speaker 1: a little Yeah, A lot of movies go that route.
Speaker 2: I'll say that I think that's the lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of series go that route. Yes, yes, to the
Speaker 2: point where it kind of is losing its luster. Not
Speaker 2: to say that I wouldn't see the third one, but
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this feels like the natural progression
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 1: This feels about right all right. So so I knew.
Speaker 3: This happening because of my relentless research of a film
Speaker 3: before I watch it, okay, And I actually found out
Speaker 3: because of what kind of what you said about Aaron
Speaker 3: Taylor Johnson, and I went to see if he was
Speaker 3: sure listed, and then of course in my exhaustive research
Speaker 3: of the cast, I phoned out, oh, okay, so we're
Speaker 3: gonna do this now. One of the great things about
Speaker 3: that is you forget about it until it actually happens
Speaker 3: on of course, Oh okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So you're still kind of surprised a little bit.
Speaker 2: And it's a good way to give an ending to
Speaker 2: a film and still leave me wanting because nothing's worse.
Speaker 1: You're coming back.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's one of those things where you understand,
Speaker 3: this is a series, this is a this is a
Speaker 3: story of beats and arcs, right, that is that is
Speaker 3: coming back together for everything you've seen into this next film,
Speaker 3: not unlike in a much smaller scale of Endgame, where
Speaker 3: you have all these different stories, Yes, all these different
Speaker 3: arcs and there we're gonna bring them together here.
Speaker 2: But the difference being though, and I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: it was bad for this, but it's it's just a
Speaker 2: different approach. I felt like there was an aura of
Speaker 2: resolution in the Bone Temple, despite knowing there's still more story.
Speaker 2: That story that we watched was resolved.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but I'm saying Infinity War was absolutely not resolved.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, What the what the hell happened? I
Speaker 1: was talking?
Speaker 3: I was talking more of Endgame, right, But there is
Speaker 3: a lot of resolution in that, yes.
Speaker 2: But the cliffhanger one, Like I'm saying this is technically
Speaker 2: a cliffhanger. This has me saying, oh, well, hell, integrate this.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't call it a cliff But why
Speaker 3: didn't you say that final scene two of the characters
Speaker 3: were on a cliff, I mean, on a quasi cliff.
Speaker 3: I mean, I at least that's how I took it.
Speaker 2: But like I say that to say, it still feels
Speaker 2: like they didn't leave there's dangling threads, but I didn't
Speaker 2: feel like a story was left untold, like and I
Speaker 2: think there's a really yes, I mean no, there's still
Speaker 2: more to be told. But I'm but.
Speaker 3: If if if you knew, like if you assume, like
Speaker 3: if you didn't know about a sequel, you'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm good with I mean, take out that final scene.
Speaker 3: You're good with resolving like the way that the Bone
Speaker 3: Temple sort of ended that scene. You're good with the
Speaker 3: whole story being done.
Speaker 2: I get I guess to a certain you would have
Speaker 2: had to throw one more scene spike, like finding his
Speaker 2: dad or something at the end, just to give me
Speaker 2: a little bit of closure because there is some some
Speaker 2: vagueness to it from me.
Speaker 3: If you get that, well, I mean again, we don't
Speaker 3: want to yeah, but I'm just saying like that, there's
Speaker 3: there's some certain things that, yes, you could have gone
Speaker 3: a different way.
Speaker 1: By the way, I have the cast up for Bone Temple,
Speaker 1: not even the next one I have for Bone Temple.
Speaker 3: And the spoiler is I don't think they've casted Bone
Speaker 3: Temple or the next one.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, probably not. But the Bone Temple cast got
Speaker 2: that spoiler for you right there front and center. So
Speaker 2: it's not like, are you on Wikipedia, No, I'm on Google,
Speaker 2: Like if you're typing Google Bone temple Cast.
Speaker 1: It is the first thing that up, So don't do that, kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's right there in there. I think we're doing a
Speaker 1: good job of dancing around. I think we. I think
Speaker 1: people who have seen these years could probably guess who
Speaker 1: are talking about too. Yeah, but maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have to believe the third one will be the
Speaker 2: final one, especially with the law of diminishing returns here
Speaker 2: looking to be the way the second one is trending.
Speaker 2: I looked at the reviewers. People love this movie like
Speaker 2: it's ninety two eighty nine on Rotten Tomatoes right now.
Speaker 2: People really like this movie.
Speaker 3: All right, So I have to bring this up regarding
Speaker 3: the sequel, and let's see here. The film was announced
Speaker 3: as part of a plan trilogy. Somebody related to this
Speaker 3: movie said that the third film would only be produced
Speaker 3: if audiences go and see the second one, and audiences
Speaker 3: are not going and seeing the second one.
Speaker 1: However, December of last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty twenty five, so last month, Sony was moving
Speaker 3: forward with a potential third installment prior to the film's
Speaker 3: theatrical release, with x In talks to reprizes roll as
Speaker 3: X and Alex Garland is writing the script along.
Speaker 1: With this person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems to be the agenda here. I thought
Speaker 2: it was just so. I think that's the only way
Speaker 2: you really could have ended it. And hopefully, I'm assuming
Speaker 2: this goes the way we intended to. This will add
Speaker 2: some closure, maybe even an end to the entire pandemic
Speaker 2: in general. Seems to be the way they're kind of
Speaker 2: gearing up here, But.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard for me to say.
Speaker 2: And I wish I would have listened to our review
Speaker 2: the first one, because I want to give it the
Speaker 2: exact same number I gave the first one. I think
Speaker 2: my gut's telling me like six point five seven. I
Speaker 2: was gonna say six and a half. Yeah, because I
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. I wasn't bored.
Speaker 1: I uh.
Speaker 2: And it's definitely it's very thinky at times. There's long
Speaker 2: stretches of very little dialogue, and you're not gonna be like.
Speaker 1: It's not as dark as the way that you portray
Speaker 1: it is. It is. I think you're you're a dark soul.
Speaker 1: Well maybe you're rubbing off on me now, I'm just right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about I like to think about, like,
Speaker 2: think of our coworkers, think of like Carly in our
Speaker 2: in our promotions department, going to see that movie's like,
Speaker 2: what are we watching right now?
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's I don't know what she
Speaker 1: likes though, maybe.
Speaker 2: She refuses to watch Together on Hulu, which is a
Speaker 2: gross movie about couples trying to live together with Dave
Speaker 2: Franco and Alison Bree.
Speaker 1: It was great. Oh yeah, I thought, no, I did
Speaker 1: not see that. It's so good.
Speaker 3: I wickied it because I knew I was not going
Speaker 3: to take the time to see it. And they got
Speaker 3: sued by somebody because this this guy who's suing them
Speaker 3: pitched this idea to Frank get out of here years ago,
Speaker 3: years ago, and they it didn't move forward. And then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he sees this come out. Wow,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I don't know if there's been any resolution.
Speaker 1: You should see if you have Hulu, you should see it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I heard it's good. That would not be
Speaker 3: something I'm interested in, right, So I'm good, especially considering.
Speaker 2: So the fifteen minutes in the Barn are the entire
Speaker 2: movie of together.
Speaker 1: That's that's the Okay, look at that.
Speaker 3: I'm sort of if Carly, if that's her reaction to it,
Speaker 3: that's I would be on that, like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: And she, to me.
Speaker 2: Is more mainstream than what you or were for me, definitely,
Speaker 2: it seems like to a certain extent you as well.
Speaker 3: Well, this is not meant for mainstream audiences. This is
Speaker 3: this is meant for the people who loved the first
Speaker 3: four movies or whatever. Yeah. First, yes, you know, like
Speaker 3: you don't like, oh, I'm gonna see Bone Collector. Oh,
Speaker 3: what's bone Collector? I keep calling phone collector bone Temple. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go see Bone Temple. Oh what's that? Oh
Speaker 3: it's the fourth movie. And they're like, no, nobody's going
Speaker 3: to see that. You know, you're you're seeing it because
Speaker 3: he saw the first, the last one at least at
Speaker 3: a minimum. Yeah, and probably the other two.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know who's watching the third and fourth in
Speaker 2: an installment, even though they don't directly connect without having
Speaker 2: seen the first.
Speaker 1: But what do I know.
Speaker 2: There's some weirdos out there are some weirdos there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we're two of them. Yeah, right, No, that's good.
Speaker 2: I think we've said everything we need to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's we touched on the Jimmy's we
Speaker 3: touched on the ending. I felt like we didn't see
Speaker 3: a whole lot of character development from Spike, at least
Speaker 3: compared to what we saw in the first one.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, but there is a lot.
Speaker 3: There's a bigger story to tell with Kelson and obviously
Speaker 3: with Sir Jimmy and this one. I mean, those were
Speaker 3: the stars of this film for sure, and and uh
Speaker 3: not counting down the days till the next one comes out, Ben,
Speaker 3: but I definitely will see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the best way to describe it. I definitely
Speaker 2: need some closure to this one here as it stands.
Speaker 2: And I still don't even know how Walking Dead ends,
Speaker 2: So that says something about you.
Speaker 1: Don't know how Walking Dead. It's no, I stopped after
Speaker 1: all the heads. I tell you something, Yeah, I tell
Speaker 1: you something.
Speaker 3: I was that My television watching life revolved around that
Speaker 3: show for years and it went off the air what
Speaker 3: four years ago, probably, I.
Speaker 1: Can't remember how it ended.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not It was not memorable to me,
Speaker 3: and there's been so many spinoffs after that that it's
Speaker 3: just the story.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I haven't seen Breaking Bad in over a decade,
Speaker 2: and I can picture the last twenty minutes of that
Speaker 2: show pretty christ.
Speaker 3: There's a major difference between those two shows. Uh, Darryl
Speaker 3: Dixon is getting one final season and then that's it. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm hoping Dead City is done here shortly. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then I just watched that city is not bad. Dead
Speaker 3: City's not bad because it's like zombie Apocalypse in New
Speaker 3: York City.
Speaker 1: Sure, so, yeah, there's a lot more population there.
Speaker 3: There's the guy who played I think it was a
Speaker 3: guy who played Mallock in Watchmen the movie. Yeah, Mallock
Speaker 3: was the Ears guy, got it. I think now I'm
Speaker 3: mixing that up.
Speaker 1: He was in Fear of the Walking Dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that guy Matt something I can't mab. He
Speaker 3: was a National Lampoon Senior Trip, which is underrad movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's in Fear the Waking. There's another guy who plays
Speaker 3: the crow at is his name on on Dead City
Speaker 3: and he's great. He's been in a bunch of stuff before,
Speaker 3: a well known actor, and I do believe he is
Speaker 3: of Eastern European descent.
Speaker 1: He's great.
Speaker 3: There the Dharma is in that too, and I don't
Speaker 3: know what I think she's done, mostly theater stuff, very
Speaker 3: compelling character, really cool. And then obviously you have this
Speaker 3: changing relationship between Megan.
Speaker 1: And Michelle or uh, what's her name, yea, Maggie, which.
Speaker 3: Changes, and then the second season is all about the
Speaker 3: relationship between Maggie and.
Speaker 1: Herschel her son.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, which and it's totally not what you'd think
Speaker 3: it's it's worth watching.
Speaker 1: Is it on Netflix? It's a great question. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: see if I can. I don't think so. I'm looking.
Speaker 2: I mean, I got a fourteen hour flight on Saturday,
Speaker 2: so I got some time to.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's I know you can. I know it's
Speaker 3: obviously on AMC. It's got to be on a streaming service.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Speaking of a two week hiatus, okay, So so we
Speaker 2: are not recording now, no new podcast the next two weeks.
Speaker 1: We'll come back February.
Speaker 2: Eleventh, will record twelfth. It'll be posted now. I don't
Speaker 2: know what you want to do. I have one suggestion, Hey,
Speaker 2: go ahead. I'm very intrigued by this Chris Pratt Mercy movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was one of them. I was going to
Speaker 1: bring up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is coming out Friday, and I have
Speaker 2: to believe, even though it's not Marvel, a Chris Pratt
Speaker 2: movie will last longer than two weeks in theaters. But
Speaker 2: if it's not, then we got to have a backup
Speaker 2: play I'm here, which I don't know if you want
Speaker 2: to share one on the air here, yeah, hit me
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: So, okay, So there were several when I was looking
Speaker 3: through this, okay, as far as as far as.
Speaker 1: Come on, why is this God bless Amica?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, hold on, he'd never survived through right,
Speaker 2: where's the Wi fi?
Speaker 1: And exactly? Okay? Which one you just mentioned? Mercy? Mercy? Right? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: So the other ones I had were.
Speaker 2: Don't let them build the data centers guys while we're looking,
Speaker 2: because that's we're headed towards mercy if we do that. So,
Speaker 2: beginning to think he didn't have one.
Speaker 3: Mercy, No, yea, I know I had several. I had
Speaker 3: several Return to Silent Hill, okayuld you like that? I
Speaker 3: mean that that to me? This this I mean real.
Speaker 1: The movies never did it for me, The games terrifying,
Speaker 1: but I'd watch it.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, we don't have to there's other ones.
Speaker 3: This one, yeah, is the one I was thinking of.
Speaker 3: Rachel McAdams, Oh help, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dude, I love This is the first R rated Sam
Speaker 2: Raimie movie and over two decades, and I love Sam
Speaker 2: raimi Uh so you could talk. I was actually disappointed
Speaker 2: that I was leaving because of that.
Speaker 3: Now hold on, that should be the backup because that
Speaker 3: one doesn't come out till the thirtieth Okay, so mercy
Speaker 3: and then we'll have time to catch that later.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect.
Speaker 3: And then the only other ones I saw I think
Speaker 3: that I think that was it.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, the only other other one I'd consider is Whistle,
Speaker 2: but that's really not a bulky movie. But the fact
Speaker 2: that you what you told me about Whistle with the
Speaker 2: as tech whistle that you blow into it feels like
Speaker 2: a spin on.
Speaker 3: It seems like, oh, I know the other one, this
Speaker 3: it comes out, we can we can push it back.
Speaker 3: There's the Dracula movie with Kalb Yeah Jones, that's coming out,
Speaker 3: and then The Strangers chapter.
Speaker 2: Three, well yeah, the original, like not chapter one. I
Speaker 2: mean like the original from two thousand and seven is
Speaker 2: one of the It's not the scariest movie, but the
Speaker 2: environment in which I saw. It put the fear of
Speaker 2: God in me, like it was. It was perfect. So
Speaker 2: I do have a soft spot for those movies. We
Speaker 2: can figure it out, Okay, I feel like tentatively Mercy,
Speaker 2: Mercy and the still in theater.
Speaker 3: And then if it's not, send help will be Yeah,
Speaker 3: that'll be our backup. And uh, if we do Mercy,
Speaker 3: will do send.
Speaker 1: Help the follow up that works for me. That's perfect.
Speaker 2: All right, Guys, enjoy the film and we'll be back
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks.