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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us. I really appreciate you being here
because I'm sure almost all of you noticed I didn't
have a show last Friday night. Full disclosure, I missed you, guys.
I really did. I love doing this, I really do
enjoy it, but I've got to tell you, sure was
nice having last Friday all off and me for a
great weekend, but still at the same time kind of
itching to get back into the swing of things. Well,
I'm not going to beat around the bush anymore. Let's
get right down to it. Let's get our guest in here.
Tonight's guest is Justin. Justin. Thanks so much for joining.
Speaker 1: Us, Hi Vic, thank you for having me on the
show tonight.
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome.
Speaker 1: Justin.
Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: I really I'm a twenty nine year old and I
live in West Tennessee, rural West Tennessee, and I've kind
of lived here all my life and I'm an avid outdoorsman,
you know, I have been since I've been a little kid,
So I've spent you know, pretty much all of my
life out in the woods and everything like that. But
you know, just a simple, level headed, you know, country
boy from Tennessee.
Speaker 2: So nothing wrong with that at all. You'll live in
West Tennessee. You're a encounter happened in West Tennessee, actually
close to the Land between the Lakes. Did you hear
about any rumblings regarding dog men being in or around
the lbl when you're growing up.
Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. We were grown up by my
great grandmother and my grandfather and everybody always telling us,
you know that there's always been rumors about land between
the Lakes and up near Kentucky Lake and everything about
creatures out in the woods that you know, they couldn't
quite explain or understand, so, you know, so we've always
kind of had the rumors going around of you know,
doglike beans and or maybe sasquatch you know, up near
around there, but mainly dog men. And as a kid,
I never really fully understood what they were talking about
until I had my encounter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then it became crystal clear how close are you
to the LBL.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll go ahead and say I'm I live in Jackson,
so you know, I would say it around two hours,
you know away, so not too far away, not too
far away, you know, maybe about an hour and a
half away from Kentucky Lake.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's pretty close right there. And when we
spoke for the first time, did I hear you correctly?
Did you say that you still live in the same
house you were living in when you had your encounter?
Speaker 1: Correct? Correct? Wow?
Speaker 2: Have there been any long lasting after effects living in
the house where you were when you had that encounter?
Or is it almost water off of a duck's back?
No trouble.
Speaker 1: Well, I could kind of take it with, you know,
both strides there in a way because for quite a while,
you know, I know, the experience happened quite a while ago,
but it's always stuck with me in the back of
my head because I'm, like I said, I'm an avid
you know hunter, I'm an avid fisherman, and you know,
I'm used to walking to a deer stand in the
pitch black dark, and you know, you wonder when you
hear that twig break or you know, and you can't
see anything around you, but you're in the middle of
the woods, and that memory always kind of comes back,
and you know, the hair on the back of your
neck stands up in a way, and you know, but
in another stride, a lot of people didn't believe me,
so I just kind of had to keep it, you know,
just kind of to myself and go about my you know,
day to day life. So you know, in a way
it always it's always been with me. But in another way,
you know, I've kind of rolled with the punches.
Speaker 2: Well that's great.
Speaker 1: You've been able to do that.
Speaker 2: As long as you can do that and go on
and live life the way it should be lived, then yeah,
that's a good thing. That's a really good thing. And
talking about hearing the twig snap and everything. All was
walking in the woods this morning and I heard my
fair share of those twig snapping. That's not to say
that it was a sasquatch or a dog man. Most
surely wasn't. But when you hear those twigs snapping like
that and you can't see what's doing it, it does
make you wonder sometimes. So I do get it, I
really do now. The dog men the counter you had
just in it was in the subdivision where you lived
and where you live right now. Back then, I know
it was a small subdivision, but hasn't grown much since then,
about fifteen years ago. And also back then, you had
a lot of woods around that subdivision, a lot of fields.
Is that the same way?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, normally we've mailed it. Maybe maybe only have
had maybe two or three more houses put up, but uh,
than that, it's still just the same, you know, small
rule subdivision with you know, the same exact fields around
it and everything else. So you know, it's it's pretty
much exactly the same as it was about fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: I wondered about that. Yeah, all across the country, housings
really in a shortage right now. So because of that,
so many subdivisions are just growing like crazy. But there
are places where there's not all that much growth. So
that's why I didn't take it as a given that
that subdivision that you live in has grown. So that's
why I asked that question. Now, you were fourteen to
fifteen years old when that encounter happened. Do you think
your encounter caused any long lasting effects that you're suffering
from to this day? It doesn't sound like you are,
but just to be thorough, I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Ask no, no long term effects whatsoever. Like I said,
you know, I'm not afraid to go out in the
woods or you know, I'm not afraid to go deer
hunting or anything like that. So, you know, it's just
it's just something that always kind of sticks in the
back of my mind. But I have heard some stories where,
you know, dog men have been aggressive towards people, but
you know, unfortunately that were Fortunately that wasn't my encounter
to have an aggressive dog man, but it was you know,
up close and personal.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thank goodness, it wasn't aggressive. That definitely. It
complicates things when that happens, It really does. One of
the things you noticed about the dog men that you
saw justin was the fact that, as you put it,
it seemed to be intelligent. Now do that intelligence that
it had did that heighten the fear you felt or
lessen it?
Speaker 1: Oh? Most definitely, because it was you know, like we
talked about when we first talked, it was me and
three other people that we're all actually standing side by
side walking together. And when it ran out of the
woods and it stopped in the middle of the road.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Let me stop you right there.
I don't want you to reveal the details of that
encounter yet. We're going to get to that in just
a second, but just to touch on that question. In
some ways, when you see a dog man or anything
like that, if it's intelligent, that can be a good thing,
because if it's intelligent, then that's going to increase the
odds of you being able to reason with it. But
in other ways, if it's deviant, that just makes it
that much more dangerous. So I wasn't really sure how
you felt on that. If you were if your fear
was heightened or lessened by that fact.
Speaker 1: I would say more so heightened in a way because
we didn't know what we were looking at. But in
a way, it was looking at us with a sort
of look that a normal animal does not look at
you with. But yet it had the animalistic side to it,
and I believe that's what heightened the fear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why, I really can. All right,
justin now, please tell us all about your encounter. Give
us ever last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well, you know, it was just a normal,
you know, day around in September into August, and it was,
you know, going towards dusk, and you know, so the
sun was you know, still up a bit and everything
like that, and me and three other of my buddies,
we all just decided to walk around our neighborhood and
you know, until it got dark, and we were all
hanging out, and we were around fifteen, sixteen years old,
and you know, we were walking around smoking cigarettes in
the neighborhood, you know, just just being teenagers, of course,
and we come to half of the neighborhood is actually
county and half of the neighborhood is city, and we
were actually walking on the County side where there are
no street lights. You know, so once it gets kind
of dusky, it's it's a lot darker on the County side,
but yet it was still light enough to where you
could clearly see if something came out or anything. And
we were walking, you know, down the street, and next thing,
you know, you know, we were all standing, all four
in a row, you know, just chit chatting, and you know,
we noticed a car that was coming down the street
kind of in front of us, coming into the cove,
and it's headlights. I guess the person had already turned
his lights on, you know, because it was getting kind
of dusky. And next thing, you know, out of the woodline,
kind of behind the houses in the cove come sprinting this.
I mean it had to have been at least six
and a half to I would say seven feet tall.
It was the first thing that I believe I noticed
was the erect ears on it and the snout and
the fur that it had on its head. And one
of my first thoughts were, it is this a person,
you know, wearing a Halloween mask or something. But once
it actually ran out and got into the street, and
you could see the muscle details in its thighs, I mean,
you could see almost the its biceps, you know, in
a way. But the most vivid part that stood out
to me were the point at erect ears with the
pronounced snout on it, and the fourth dog legs and
having what seemed to be the torso of a man
and sort of the arms of a man, but the
arms were very long, and it seemed to what seemed
to be hands, not palls, but hands on its upper body.
But on its lower body it had literally had forked
legs in the feet of a dog, and you know,
once the car was coming and it slammed on its
brakes because it saw it. We all stopped and froze,
and we were probably twenty yards away from it. The
car was probably roughly around the same distance from it.
And the car beated its horn really quick, I guess,
to try to get it to move, and it looked
at the car, and then it turned and looked up
the heel at us, and I think that's when that
sort of primordial fear kicked in of where that's where
I saw the intelligence. I saw it was trying to
make a decision of what I need to do next.
That's what I perceived from it. And it let out
this how slash guttural growl type, you know, just something
I have never in my life ever heard come from
the woods or any form of animal, dog or anything.
It was just something I've never heard before. But you know,
after the car started driving again, and I guess that's
what kind of spooked it, and it ran into the
thin strip of woods that we were just walking past
down the hill, and we thought we would see it
pop out the other side and keep on running through
the neighborhood, but no, it did not, and we believe
it stopped there in the thin strip of woods between
the two roads, and we went ahead, walked down the
hill and around the cove where it had just run
out from, and we believed the whole time, you know,
it was watching us walk by. But the whole time.
Once we kind of got, you know, about fifty yards away,
we started kind of jogging and you know, sprinting a
kind of a way just to get away from the area.
But in general, we all four got back to my
house and all just kind of sat down in disbelief,
and we were all just sort of asking if we
all saw the same thing, and we all did, and
we all just started talking about what was it? What
could it be? You know, but we were all blown wage.
We were all very blown way by.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure you were. I don't doubt that at all.
Did it have much of a hump to its back.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I would say this was standing almost erect especially
when it stopped and it just stood in the in
the middle of the road. It almost strained up, like
it stood all the way up on its hind legs
to almost I make itself look bigger in a way,
you know, like it stood just all the way up,
and you know, I think that we had it was me,
my friend Philip Brock, and a girl named Shelby, And
when it stood up even higher, like the girl that
was with that she on most frozen place. You know,
we almost couldn't get hurt to even start walking again
after it had run off. But you know, it was,
it was pretty it was pretty terrifying, I would admit.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. I don't doubt that at all.
Holy cow. Now it's obvious you handled it really well.
You handled it like a champ, in my opinion. But
I mean, right away it affected one or two of
the friends you're with, But down the road as time passed,
do you know if everyone got over that experience pretty
easily or do you think there were some long lasting
effects for some of those friends.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not exactly sure where Shelby stood on it,
because we you know, I didn't speak to her, you know,
for a while after that. But I know, for the longest,
me and my friend Brock went to the same high
school and everything for the next three more years and everything,
and me and him would always bring it up and
talk about it, and my friend Philip who actually his
parents still live in this neighborhood. He never wanted to
talk about it. He never wanted He said that he
didn't like the idea of knowing that something like that
was in the woods. And he said that he just
did not want to talk about it. So but I say,
I think it affected him, you know, kind of negatively.
You know, he just never wanted to talk about it. Ever.
Speaker 2: Well, that's how some people try to deal with an
experience like that. But you know, it is you can't
hide anything from yourself. So by trying to put it
out of your mind like that, maybe to a certain
degree for a while, it might help, it might be beneficial,
But in the long run, it's like trying to hide
your car keys from yourself. You just can't do it.
It doesn't work. So I wish people wouldn't even try
to do that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You said the car honked at it close? Was the
car to it though? When it honked, I.
Speaker 1: Would say the car was around about the same distance,
probably that about We were maybe maybe around twenty yards
from it, twenty twenty five yards very you know, very
close to it, because it pretty much had to slam
on its brakes in a way because the dog man
you know, or creature or whatever you want to call it,
it just stopped in the middle of the cove, you
know it basically. Yeah. I don't know if it saw
us first and was stopping, or if it saw the
car first and was stopping, you know. But you know,
I do know that it looked directly up at us,
and then it looked at the car back at us,
and then took off in the woods. I have never
seen something run that fast onto that. I would almost
want to say that it looked like it could have
got down on all fours and taken off honestly if
it wanted to.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it could have. Don't doubt that at all.
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did the car's headlights light it up? If f itels
about twenty yards from it, that's pretty close.
Speaker 1: Oh, the car's headlight, Like I said, it was still
a little dusky out, so the sun was still out,
but it was kind of behind the trees in a way.
If you can kind of picture that sort of light
outside plus the car headlights, I mean it lit the
whole thing up well where we could see it had
less hair around its torso and you could sort of
see the darker skin to the animal around the head,
neck and legs. I would say it was pretty much
pure pure fur. And I could not recall or not
if I saw a tail or not. I still to
this day cannot recall if I saw a tail. It
just it doesn't hit me, you know, I can't. I
can't remember. Well.
Speaker 2: I mean, most people in an experience like that, they're
so gobsmacked that they're doing good to notice any details.
But I think you did a really good job. You
should be commended because, yeah, you noticed a lot of
good details about this thing. Now, if the headlights were
lighting it up that well, you could see it pretty
clearly then. And I'm wondering when it honked its horn,
when the car hanked its horn at it at that
close range, did it jump scare or did it not
seem to be that phase by it?
Speaker 1: I would honestly say, it really did not seem that
phase by it, And that's whenever it sort of let
out that sort of low guttural how maybe almost kind
of like a bark in a sense in a way.
That's how I would almost explain it, almost like hey,
you can wait, you know, like you know, that's almost
how I kind of you know, think about it. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, these things they go where they want to go,
they do what they want to do. That doesn't surprise me.
It didn't jump when the cars horn hogged. That definitely
fits the bill for what i'd expect from a dog man. Now,
did you and your friends spend much time in the
woods around that subdivision before you saw that dog men?
Speaker 1: Oh, most definitely. Actually where it had run out from,
we had actually he put a bunch of old fifty
gallon drums and old couches and things back there, and
we made it like kind of like a paintball through
the woods back there. But on the other side of
the field is an old old I guess settlement from
the middle to late seventeen hundreds, and there's you know
a lot of if anyone wants to look it up,
it's a Cooper and it's right off Cooper Anderson Road
here in West Tennessee. And I believe it was the
Anderson family and they had a lot of young kids
die and everything like that. And there's you know, cemeteries
back there, old old cemeteries from the seventeen hundreds and
everything back there. And we got to asking some local
historians about the settlement and everything, and supposedly there was
talking report of witchcraft that had happened a long time
ago back there, So you know, that could all be folklore,
but you know, but it is pretty interesting to you
know that, you know, we actually have seen the old
cemeteries and the old you know houses and barns that
have fallen down and everything. So it's pretty neat, pretty neat.
So it's an old, old, old old settlement back there
from where it ran from. So you know, I don't
know if that could have anything to do, you know,
with seeing it where it came from. You know, I'm
not sure, Well, it just might.
Speaker 2: I'd want to assume things. But I get the impression
you shared that with us because you already know that
when you have a situation like that where the land's
got history like that land, does that does seem to
really increase the odds of seeing a dog man? Is
that the case?
Speaker 1: I believe so? I believe so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you knew about that, and that's why
you said that. Yeah, for some reason, that does seem
to be the case. Now, after you saw the dog man,
you said you guys used to spend time in the
woods before, and I figured you did. But after having
that encounter, did you guys swear off going into the
woods for a long time or was a business as
usual for.
Speaker 1: About for about five years? We did not go back
into the trails for about five For about five to
six years, I don't believe anybody went back riding bikes
back there. No more paintball, you know, because seeing that
face to face, you're just you're almost awe struck in
a way.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah, that's going to leave anyone awestruck. And
one of the reasons why it's gonna leave you even
more awestruck is how good of a look you got
this thing because of the headlights and everything. And speaking
of those headlights lighting it up again, did you notice
any expression on the dog man's face?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I really couldn't see any expression. All I know
is is I could just I know it had two eyes, snout,
two ears, and you know, look like human hands for hands.
But you could when the headlights hit it, you could
see the outline of its thigh muscles and you could
see the blind through its bicet muscle. So I mean
you could tell this thing was muscular, very muscular.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. I don't doubt that at all.
And while you're talking, I noticed a funny comment in
the live chat there. It is from Gunner. Gunner said,
no dogmen here in Los Angeles. Well, what would you say, Gunner,
if I told you I've spoken with two separate eye
witnesses who had their encounters inside the city limits of LA.
How about that? Yeah, I know it's hard to wrap
your mind around. Now these guys are seen in places
where you just wouldn't believe it. It's just so hard
to wrap your mind around. Like I said, they go
where they want to go, and they definitely do what
they want to do. Well, as fate would have it,
Justin has to cut out of here early. He's got
to go pick up his girlfriend. But yeah, having said that,
before we do let him get out of here, do
you have any clues and comments you want to put
out there for us.
Speaker 1: All I want to say is to any doubters out
there who you know, may think this is not real
or they don't exist, please take me at my word
that I have seen a flesh and blood, whether it's
flesh and blood, whether it's supernatural, whether it's whatever. I
saw a dog man, and I know they're out there,
and I would leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Yes you did, and yes you do. So that's a
good way to put a button on it. Well, I
can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the
details of that experience there with this justin a I
really appreciate it, and please keep in mind if I
can never help you out in the future, all I
have to do is let me know and I'll be
there for you.
Speaker 1: Hey, Vic, thank you so much again for having me
on the show tonight.
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome, glad to do it. Well,
Thanks again so much everyone for listening. I really appreciate
you doing that, and of course hope you have a
great night.