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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us. I really appreciate you being here

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because I'm sure almost all of you noticed I didn't

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have a show last Friday night. Full disclosure, I missed you, guys.

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I really did. I love doing this, I really do

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enjoy it, but I've got to tell you, sure was

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nice having last Friday all off and me for a

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great weekend, but still at the same time kind of

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itching to get back into the swing of things. Well,

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I'm not going to beat around the bush anymore. Let's

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get right down to it. Let's get our guest in here.

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Tonight's guest is Justin. Justin. Thanks so much for joining.

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Speaker 1: Us, Hi Vic, thank you for having me on the

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show tonight.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Justin.

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Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: I really I'm a twenty nine year old and I

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live in West Tennessee, rural West Tennessee, and I've kind

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of lived here all my life and I'm an avid outdoorsman,

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you know, I have been since I've been a little kid,

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So I've spent you know, pretty much all of my

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life out in the woods and everything like that. But

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you know, just a simple, level headed, you know, country

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boy from Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: So nothing wrong with that at all. You'll live in

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West Tennessee. You're a encounter happened in West Tennessee, actually

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close to the Land between the Lakes. Did you hear

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about any rumblings regarding dog men being in or around

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the lbl when you're growing up.

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Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. We were grown up by my

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great grandmother and my grandfather and everybody always telling us,

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you know that there's always been rumors about land between

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the Lakes and up near Kentucky Lake and everything about

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creatures out in the woods that you know, they couldn't

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quite explain or understand, so, you know, so we've always

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kind of had the rumors going around of you know,

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doglike beans and or maybe sasquatch you know, up near

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around there, but mainly dog men. And as a kid,

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I never really fully understood what they were talking about

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until I had my encounter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then it became crystal clear how close are you

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to the LBL.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll go ahead and say I'm I live in Jackson,

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so you know, I would say it around two hours,

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you know away, so not too far away, not too

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far away, you know, maybe about an hour and a

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half away from Kentucky Lake.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's pretty close right there. And when we

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spoke for the first time, did I hear you correctly?

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Did you say that you still live in the same

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house you were living in when you had your encounter?

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Speaker 1: Correct? Correct? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Have there been any long lasting after effects living in

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the house where you were when you had that encounter?

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Or is it almost water off of a duck's back?

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No trouble.

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Speaker 1: Well, I could kind of take it with, you know,

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both strides there in a way because for quite a while,

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you know, I know, the experience happened quite a while ago,

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but it's always stuck with me in the back of

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my head because I'm, like I said, I'm an avid

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you know hunter, I'm an avid fisherman, and you know,

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I'm used to walking to a deer stand in the

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pitch black dark, and you know, you wonder when you

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hear that twig break or you know, and you can't

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see anything around you, but you're in the middle of

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the woods, and that memory always kind of comes back,

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and you know, the hair on the back of your

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neck stands up in a way, and you know, but

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in another stride, a lot of people didn't believe me,

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so I just kind of had to keep it, you know,

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just kind of to myself and go about my you know,

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day to day life. So you know, in a way

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it always it's always been with me. But in another way,

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you know, I've kind of rolled with the punches.

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Speaker 2: Well that's great.

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Speaker 1: You've been able to do that.

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Speaker 2: As long as you can do that and go on

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and live life the way it should be lived, then yeah,

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that's a good thing. That's a really good thing. And

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talking about hearing the twig snap and everything. All was

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walking in the woods this morning and I heard my

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fair share of those twig snapping. That's not to say

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that it was a sasquatch or a dog man. Most

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surely wasn't. But when you hear those twigs snapping like

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that and you can't see what's doing it, it does

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make you wonder sometimes. So I do get it, I

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really do now. The dog men the counter you had

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just in it was in the subdivision where you lived

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and where you live right now. Back then, I know

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it was a small subdivision, but hasn't grown much since then,

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about fifteen years ago. And also back then, you had

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a lot of woods around that subdivision, a lot of fields.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, normally we've mailed it. Maybe maybe only have

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had maybe two or three more houses put up, but uh,

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than that, it's still just the same, you know, small

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rule subdivision with you know, the same exact fields around

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it and everything else. So you know, it's it's pretty

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much exactly the same as it was about fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: I wondered about that. Yeah, all across the country, housings

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really in a shortage right now. So because of that,

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so many subdivisions are just growing like crazy. But there

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are places where there's not all that much growth. So

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that's why I didn't take it as a given that

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that subdivision that you live in has grown. So that's

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why I asked that question. Now, you were fourteen to

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fifteen years old when that encounter happened. Do you think

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your encounter caused any long lasting effects that you're suffering

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from to this day? It doesn't sound like you are,

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but just to be thorough, I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Ask no, no long term effects whatsoever. Like I said,

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you know, I'm not afraid to go out in the

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woods or you know, I'm not afraid to go deer

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hunting or anything like that. So, you know, it's just

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it's just something that always kind of sticks in the

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back of my mind. But I have heard some stories where,

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you know, dog men have been aggressive towards people, but

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you know, unfortunately that were Fortunately that wasn't my encounter

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to have an aggressive dog man, but it was you know,

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up close and personal.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, thank goodness, it wasn't aggressive. That definitely. It

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complicates things when that happens, It really does. One of

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the things you noticed about the dog men that you

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saw justin was the fact that, as you put it,

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it seemed to be intelligent. Now do that intelligence that

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it had did that heighten the fear you felt or

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lessen it?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Most definitely, because it was you know, like we

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talked about when we first talked, it was me and

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three other people that we're all actually standing side by

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side walking together. And when it ran out of the

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woods and it stopped in the middle of the road.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Let me stop you right there.

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I don't want you to reveal the details of that

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encounter yet. We're going to get to that in just

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a second, but just to touch on that question. In

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some ways, when you see a dog man or anything

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like that, if it's intelligent, that can be a good thing,

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because if it's intelligent, then that's going to increase the

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odds of you being able to reason with it. But

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in other ways, if it's deviant, that just makes it

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that much more dangerous. So I wasn't really sure how

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you felt on that. If you were if your fear

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was heightened or lessened by that fact.

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Speaker 1: I would say more so heightened in a way because

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we didn't know what we were looking at. But in

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a way, it was looking at us with a sort

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of look that a normal animal does not look at

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you with. But yet it had the animalistic side to it,

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and I believe that's what heightened the fear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why, I really can. All right,

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justin now, please tell us all about your encounter. Give

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us ever last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well, you know, it was just a normal,

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you know, day around in September into August, and it was,

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you know, going towards dusk, and you know, so the

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sun was you know, still up a bit and everything

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like that, and me and three other of my buddies,

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we all just decided to walk around our neighborhood and

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you know, until it got dark, and we were all

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hanging out, and we were around fifteen, sixteen years old,

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and you know, we were walking around smoking cigarettes in

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the neighborhood, you know, just just being teenagers, of course,

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and we come to half of the neighborhood is actually

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county and half of the neighborhood is city, and we

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were actually walking on the County side where there are

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no street lights. You know, so once it gets kind

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of dusky, it's it's a lot darker on the County side,

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but yet it was still light enough to where you

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could clearly see if something came out or anything. And

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we were walking, you know, down the street, and next thing,

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you know, you know, we were all standing, all four

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in a row, you know, just chit chatting, and you know,

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we noticed a car that was coming down the street

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kind of in front of us, coming into the cove,

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and it's headlights. I guess the person had already turned

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his lights on, you know, because it was getting kind

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of dusky. And next thing, you know, out of the woodline,

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kind of behind the houses in the cove come sprinting this.

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I mean it had to have been at least six

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and a half to I would say seven feet tall.

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It was the first thing that I believe I noticed

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was the erect ears on it and the snout and

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the fur that it had on its head. And one

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of my first thoughts were, it is this a person,

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you know, wearing a Halloween mask or something. But once

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it actually ran out and got into the street, and

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you could see the muscle details in its thighs, I mean,

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you could see almost the its biceps, you know, in

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a way. But the most vivid part that stood out

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to me were the point at erect ears with the

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pronounced snout on it, and the fourth dog legs and

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having what seemed to be the torso of a man

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and sort of the arms of a man, but the

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arms were very long, and it seemed to what seemed

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to be hands, not palls, but hands on its upper body.

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But on its lower body it had literally had forked

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legs in the feet of a dog, and you know,

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once the car was coming and it slammed on its

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brakes because it saw it. We all stopped and froze,

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and we were probably twenty yards away from it. The

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car was probably roughly around the same distance from it.

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to try to get it to move, and it looked

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at the car, and then it turned and looked up

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the heel at us, and I think that's when that

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sort of primordial fear kicked in of where that's where

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I saw the intelligence. I saw it was trying to

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make a decision of what I need to do next.

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That's what I perceived from it. And it let out

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this how slash guttural growl type, you know, just something

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I have never in my life ever heard come from

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the woods or any form of animal, dog or anything.

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It was just something I've never heard before. But you know,

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after the car started driving again, and I guess that's

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what kind of spooked it, and it ran into the

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thin strip of woods that we were just walking past

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down the hill, and we thought we would see it

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pop out the other side and keep on running through

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the neighborhood, but no, it did not, and we believe

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it stopped there in the thin strip of woods between

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the two roads, and we went ahead, walked down the

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hill and around the cove where it had just run

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out from, and we believed the whole time, you know,

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it was watching us walk by. But the whole time.

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we started kind of jogging and you know, sprinting a

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kind of a way just to get away from the area.

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house and all just kind of sat down in disbelief,

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and we were all just sort of asking if we

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all saw the same thing, and we all did, and

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we all just started talking about what was it? What

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could it be? You know, but we were all blown wage.

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We were all very blown way by.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure you were. I don't doubt that at all.

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Did it have much of a hump to its back.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I would say this was standing almost erect especially

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when it stopped and it just stood in the in

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the middle of the road. It almost strained up, like

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it stood all the way up on its hind legs

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to almost I make itself look bigger in a way,

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you know, like it stood just all the way up,

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and you know, I think that we had it was me,

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my friend Philip Brock, and a girl named Shelby, And

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when it stood up even higher, like the girl that

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was with that she on most frozen place. You know,

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we almost couldn't get hurt to even start walking again

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after it had run off. But you know, it was,

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it was pretty it was pretty terrifying, I would admit.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. I don't doubt that at all.

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Holy cow. Now it's obvious you handled it really well.

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You handled it like a champ, in my opinion. But

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I mean, right away it affected one or two of

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the friends you're with, But down the road as time passed,

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do you know if everyone got over that experience pretty

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easily or do you think there were some long lasting

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effects for some of those friends.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not exactly sure where Shelby stood on it,

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because we you know, I didn't speak to her, you know,

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for a while after that. But I know, for the longest,

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me and my friend Brock went to the same high

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school and everything for the next three more years and everything,

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and me and him would always bring it up and

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talk about it, and my friend Philip who actually his

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parents still live in this neighborhood. He never wanted to

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talk about it. He never wanted He said that he

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didn't like the idea of knowing that something like that

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was in the woods. And he said that he just

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did not want to talk about it. So but I say,

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I think it affected him, you know, kind of negatively.

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You know, he just never wanted to talk about it. Ever.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's how some people try to deal with an

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experience like that. But you know, it is you can't

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hide anything from yourself. So by trying to put it

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out of your mind like that, maybe to a certain

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degree for a while, it might help, it might be beneficial,

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But in the long run, it's like trying to hide

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your car keys from yourself. You just can't do it.

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It doesn't work. So I wish people wouldn't even try

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to do that.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: You said the car honked at it close? Was the

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car to it though? When it honked, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say the car was around about the same distance,

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probably that about We were maybe maybe around twenty yards

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from it, twenty twenty five yards very you know, very

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close to it, because it pretty much had to slam

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on its brakes in a way because the dog man

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you know, or creature or whatever you want to call it,

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it just stopped in the middle of the cove, you

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know it basically. Yeah. I don't know if it saw

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us first and was stopping, or if it saw the

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car first and was stopping, you know. But you know,

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I do know that it looked directly up at us,

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and then it looked at the car back at us,

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and then took off in the woods. I have never

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seen something run that fast onto that. I would almost

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want to say that it looked like it could have

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got down on all fours and taken off honestly if

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it wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it could have. Don't doubt that at all.

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Before we move on, if you've had a dog mean

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the counter that you need help coming to terms with,

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or if you want to be a guest on the show,

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please go to dogmandecounters dot com submit a report. If

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you do that, then I'll contact you to schedule a

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phone consultation and we'll take it from there. How well

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did the car's headlights light it up? If f itels

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about twenty yards from it, that's pretty close.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the car's headlight, Like I said, it was still

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a little dusky out, so the sun was still out,

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but it was kind of behind the trees in a way.

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If you can kind of picture that sort of light

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outside plus the car headlights, I mean it lit the

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whole thing up well where we could see it had

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less hair around its torso and you could sort of

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see the darker skin to the animal around the head,

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neck and legs. I would say it was pretty much

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pure pure fur. And I could not recall or not

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if I saw a tail or not. I still to

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this day cannot recall if I saw a tail. It

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just it doesn't hit me, you know, I can't. I

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can't remember. Well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, most people in an experience like that, they're

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so gobsmacked that they're doing good to notice any details.

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But I think you did a really good job. You

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should be commended because, yeah, you noticed a lot of

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good details about this thing. Now, if the headlights were

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lighting it up that well, you could see it pretty

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clearly then. And I'm wondering when it honked its horn,

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when the car hanked its horn at it at that

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close range, did it jump scare or did it not

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seem to be that phase by it?

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Speaker 1: I would honestly say, it really did not seem that

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phase by it, And that's whenever it sort of let

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out that sort of low guttural how maybe almost kind

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of like a bark in a sense in a way.

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That's how I would almost explain it, almost like hey,

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you can wait, you know, like you know, that's almost

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how I kind of you know, think about it. Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, these things they go where they want to go,

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they do what they want to do. That doesn't surprise me.

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It didn't jump when the cars horn hogged. That definitely

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fits the bill for what i'd expect from a dog man. Now,

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did you and your friends spend much time in the

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woods around that subdivision before you saw that dog men?

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Speaker 1: Oh, most definitely. Actually where it had run out from,

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we had actually he put a bunch of old fifty

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gallon drums and old couches and things back there, and

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we made it like kind of like a paintball through

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the woods back there. But on the other side of

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the field is an old old I guess settlement from

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the middle to late seventeen hundreds, and there's you know

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a lot of if anyone wants to look it up,

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it's a Cooper and it's right off Cooper Anderson Road

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here in West Tennessee. And I believe it was the

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Anderson family and they had a lot of young kids

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die and everything like that. And there's you know, cemeteries

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back there, old old cemeteries from the seventeen hundreds and

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everything back there. And we got to asking some local

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historians about the settlement and everything, and supposedly there was

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talking report of witchcraft that had happened a long time

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ago back there, So you know, that could all be folklore,

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but you know, but it is pretty interesting to you

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know that, you know, we actually have seen the old

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cemeteries and the old you know houses and barns that

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have fallen down and everything. So it's pretty neat, pretty neat.

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So it's an old, old, old old settlement back there

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from where it ran from. So you know, I don't

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know if that could have anything to do, you know,

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with seeing it where it came from. You know, I'm

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not sure, Well, it just might.

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Speaker 2: I'd want to assume things. But I get the impression

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you shared that with us because you already know that

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when you have a situation like that where the land's

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got history like that land, does that does seem to

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really increase the odds of seeing a dog man? Is

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that the case?

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Speaker 1: I believe so? I believe so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you knew about that, and that's why

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you said that. Yeah, for some reason, that does seem

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to be the case. Now, after you saw the dog man,

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you said you guys used to spend time in the

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woods before, and I figured you did. But after having

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that encounter, did you guys swear off going into the

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woods for a long time or was a business as

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usual for.

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Speaker 1: About for about five years? We did not go back

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into the trails for about five For about five to

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six years, I don't believe anybody went back riding bikes

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back there. No more paintball, you know, because seeing that

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face to face, you're just you're almost awe struck in

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a way.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah, that's going to leave anyone awestruck. And

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one of the reasons why it's gonna leave you even

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more awestruck is how good of a look you got

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this thing because of the headlights and everything. And speaking

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of those headlights lighting it up again, did you notice

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any expression on the dog man's face?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I really couldn't see any expression. All I know

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is is I could just I know it had two eyes, snout,

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two ears, and you know, look like human hands for hands.

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But you could when the headlights hit it, you could

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see the outline of its thigh muscles and you could

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see the blind through its bicet muscle. So I mean

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you could tell this thing was muscular, very muscular.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. I don't doubt that at all.

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And while you're talking, I noticed a funny comment in

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the live chat there. It is from Gunner. Gunner said,

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no dogmen here in Los Angeles. Well, what would you say, Gunner,

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if I told you I've spoken with two separate eye

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witnesses who had their encounters inside the city limits of LA.

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How about that? Yeah, I know it's hard to wrap

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your mind around. Now these guys are seen in places

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where you just wouldn't believe it. It's just so hard

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to wrap your mind around. Like I said, they go

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where they want to go, and they definitely do what

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they want to do. Well, as fate would have it,

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Justin has to cut out of here early. He's got

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to go pick up his girlfriend. But yeah, having said that,

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before we do let him get out of here, do

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you have any clues and comments you want to put

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out there for us.

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Speaker 1: All I want to say is to any doubters out

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there who you know, may think this is not real

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or they don't exist, please take me at my word

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that I have seen a flesh and blood, whether it's

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flesh and blood, whether it's supernatural, whether it's whatever. I

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saw a dog man, and I know they're out there,

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and I would leave it at that.

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Speaker 2: Yes you did, and yes you do. So that's a

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good way to put a button on it. Well, I

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can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the

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details of that experience there with this justin a I

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really appreciate it, and please keep in mind if I

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can never help you out in the future, all I

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have to do is let me know and I'll be

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there for you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Vic, thank you so much again for having me

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on the show tonight.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome, glad to do it. Well,

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Thanks again so much everyone for listening. I really appreciate

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you doing that, and of course hope you have a

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great night.