Speaker 1: I want you to try a little thought experiment with me.
It's it can feel a little claustrophobic, so just bear
with me for a second.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Imagine you have lived in a single house, yeah, your
entire life. You were born there, you grew up there.
You know every single inch of it. You know exactly
which floorboard creaks in the hallway when you try to
sneak to the kitchen at night. You know how the
light hits that one spot on the kitchen table at
exactly four point zero pm. That house is the only
reality you have ever ever known.
Speaker 2: It's a comfortable reality, it's predictable, it's you know, it's safe, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's safe. But then one random Tuesday, you are walking
down that same hall where you've walked down ten thousand times.
You brush your hand against the wallpaper and you feel.
Speaker 2: A seam, a scene that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be there, and you peel it back just
a little bit, just a fraction, and you realize something
completely impossible. There's a door there, Wow.
Speaker 2: A door that leads to a room you didn't even
know existed in your own house.
Speaker 1: Or or worse, what if it's a door that doesn't
lead to a room at all. What if it's a
door that leads to somewhere that doesn't fit inside the
blueprint of the house, somewhere that defies the very geometry
of the building you spent your whole life in.
Speaker 2: That's a chilling thought. It's the locked room mystery, but
you're applying it to the entire planet. That sensation that
the architecture of our own reality might have these hidden
anemesis that we're just we're too blind to see.
Speaker 1: That is the feeling we are chasing today. Welcome back
to thrilling threads. Today, we aren't just reading history books
or reciting dates. We are pulling at the loose threads
of our reality. Specifically, we're diving into the physics, the folklore,
and the absolute high strangeness of interdimensional travel.
Speaker 2: And we have, I mean a massive stack of sources. Today.
We're pulling heavily from ancient astronaut theory, from transcripts that
got our hands on regarding visitors from other dimensions, and
some very specific, really unsettling anomalies that have been reported
by well sources. We're talking navy pilots, Soviet Cosmona.
Speaker 1: Right, and the mission for this particular deep dive is
I think really interesting. We are trying to reframe the
entire conversation about extraterrestrials. Usually when we look for life,
we look up.
Speaker 2: Of course, you look at the stars. You think about
distance light years, propulsion systems, spacecraft.
Speaker 1: Which makes total sense if they aren't from Earth, logic
dictates they must be from Mars or Alpha Centauri or
you know, those that are reticulized system or whatever.
Speaker 2: But the sources we're analyzing today ask a completely different question.
What if the aliens aren't travelers from a different place
in our universe?
Speaker 1: What if they're from a different density exactly?
Speaker 2: What if they're right next door, just just shifted one
frequency away from us?
Speaker 1: You know, it completely changes the fear factor too. I
was thinking about this. If they're light years away, theoretically
we see them coming, we see the armada on the sensors,
you know, Independence.
Speaker 2: Day style rightning, you have some warning.
Speaker 1: But if they are interdimensional, I mean, they could be
standing in the room with us right now, breathing down
our necks and we just lack the sensory equipment to
perceive them.
Speaker 2: That is the terrifying part. It turns the universe from
this vast empty ocean into a very very crowded elevator.
And to explore this, we have an incredible itinerary lined up.
Speaker 1: We really do. We are going to break down the
physics of wormholes, I mean, the actual science behind the shortcut.
We're going to look at the Bermuda Triangle, but not
just as a place where planes crash, but as maybe
a natural portal that malfunctions.
Speaker 2: And we are definitely going to talk about the sally
At seven incident, which is, honestly, it's one of the
few space stories that genuinely unsettles me. Giant winged beings
in orbit. That is a level of high strangeness that
just goes beyond nuts and bolts.
Speaker 1: It's biblical, it really is. It challenges that whole secular
scientific view of space exploration we've built up. But before
we get to the space angels, we need to start
on the ground. We need to look at the hardware.
If these portals exist, what do they look like, and
maybe more importantly, how do you open them?
Speaker 2: Which brings us to Peru high in the Andes.
Speaker 1: Let's set the scene. We are about eight hundred miles
southeast of Lima. We're near the shores of Lake Titakaka,
which is itself a place of immense history and mystery.
Speaker 2: And this is not an easy place to get to.
We are talking about a region called Hyu Marca for
a context. This is high altitude, about fourteen thousand feet up.
The air is thin. It is incredibly quiet up there,
I can only imagine, and the landscape is dominated by
these massive, almost alien looking red rock formations. It looks Martian.
It's a place where you really feel the isolation in
your bones.
Speaker 1: The sources describe it as literally in the middle of nowhere.
But in this desolate landscape, there's one specific rock formation
that just it stands out. It's called the Porta de
Hyu Marca.
Speaker 2: The Gate of the Gods.
Speaker 1: Now, when I first looked at the photos and the
source material, my skepticism immediately kicked. I thought, okay, it's
a rock formation. Humans are graded seeing patterns, you know,
faces and clouds and rocks peridolia.
Speaker 2: Sure, that's the first logical step.
Speaker 1: But this, this isn't Perry Dooley. This is geometry, this
is engineering.
Speaker 2: It's unmistakably artificial imagine a massive sheer face of red rock,
just a huge cliff face, and carved into it is
a gigantic rectangle, perfectly leveled. It's about twenty three feet square.
It looks like a blind entrance to a giant hangar
or a temple.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't open. That's the thing. It's just it's
carved into the face. It's a facade. It goes nowhere, right.
Speaker 2: But that's not even the weirdest part. At the bottom
center of this giant twenty three foot square there is
a smaller depression, a smaller carved rectangle, and this one
is human sized. It's just under six feet tall.
Speaker 1: So you have a giant door for titans, for ships,
and then a little door for humans, like a cosmic
doggy door.
Speaker 2: That's the implication. But again, it's solid rock. The geologists
have checked. There is no cavern behind it. There is
no hidden hallway. If you were an archaeologist looking at
this purely as a structural project, it makes zero sense none.
Speaker 1: Why would an ancient civilization without power tools, mind, you
expend this much energy and time and resources to carve
a fake door into.
Speaker 2: A mountain unless the door isn't physical that's the kicker,
isn't it.
Speaker 1: That has to be it.
Speaker 2: If a function isn't for your body to walk through
the rock via a tunnel, but for the rock itself
to change state, then the engineering makes a completely different
kind of sense.
Speaker 1: And there's a specific detail about that smaller human sized
door that really caught my attention in the transcripts. The
archaeologists who examined the site, they found a small depression
right in the center of the doorway, a circular indentation.
Speaker 2: A socket or a key hole.
Speaker 1: This is where the folklore stops being just a quaint
story and starts sounding like an instruction manual. The local
legends speak of an Incan priest king named Amaru Mehru.
Speaker 2: The first priest King, and his story is, well, it's tragic, really,
it's a story of an ending.
Speaker 1: The story goes that Tomorrow Meru didn't just stumble upon
this place. He was fleeing the Spanish conquistadors were ravaging
the land, melting down the gold, destroying the culture. Amaru
Meru flees to this high plateau and he brings something
with him, the Key of the Gods of the Seven Rays.
Speaker 2: Which is such a great evocative name, but in the
specific legend we are analyzing. From the source, this object
is described more simply as a golden.
Speaker 1: Disc, a disc. And where did he get this disc?
Speaker 2: The legend says it fell from the sky.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just pause there for a second. Fell from
the sky. In a historical context, that usually means a meteorite.
The ancients, you know, they loved worshiping iron meteorites. But
tomorrow Meru didn't force this into a sword or a
piece of armor. He used it as a tool, a.
Speaker 2: Very specific tool that fit perfectly into that circular depression
in the rock wall.
Speaker 1: So picture this. You have this priest king. He's desperate,
he's fleeing an invading army that's destroying his entire world.
He runs to this massive rock wall in the middle
of no where. He takes out this golden disc, which,
let's be honest, sounds a lot like a distinct manufacturer
geometric object, not some jagged meteorite, and he presses it
into the socket.
Speaker 2: And the shaman who supposedly witnessed this event, his account
says the reaction was instantaneous. The rock it shimmered.
Speaker 1: Shimmered. That's such a specific word. It's not crumbled or opened.
It shimmered.
Speaker 2: It implies a phase change. The description is that the
solid wall became permeable, it became an interdimensional doorway. Amaro
Merou stepped into the rock, the light faded behind him,
and he was never seen again.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is the ultimate escape plan. But I
want to push on this golden disc idea because if
we look at this of the lens of the ancient
astronaut theory, this isn't magic.
Speaker 2: It's hard for the user interface exactly.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of two things. One obviously is the
movie Stargate. You can't not think of it, yeah, But
the other is more mundane. It reminds me of an
RFID fob you used to get into an office building.
Speaker 2: Right, you hold the token up to the reader, the
maglock disengaged and the door opens. The rock itself is
the mechanism the lock, but it's dormant until it receives
the correct signal from the fob.
Speaker 1: But in this case, the door isn't opening a physical latch.
It's opening the fabric of space time itself.
Speaker 2: And that brings up the space brothers, which is a
term I just.
Speaker 1: Love it sounds. It's so nineteen fifty, so sci fi
boo movie. But this is an ancient local term, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It is the local Imara people didn't refer to the
entities that supposedly came through that door as gods in
the supernatural sense. They call them space brothers. And they
were very specific about where these brothers live. They didn't
just point at the sky and say heaven.
Speaker 1: No, they had a map, a starmap they did.
Speaker 2: They pointed to the Pleiades. They pointed to Orion's belt.
The source material quotes a local elder saying, this is
the bridge to home.
Speaker 1: Bridge to home. That implies a commute. It implies that
this wasn't some one time miracle. This was a transit hub,
a grand central station for the.
Speaker 2: Pleiades, a transit hub that has been locked down because
we lost the key. Amar Romero took it with him.
Speaker 1: That's the tragedy of it, right. The door is still there.
We can go touch it, you can fly to Paru
and put your hand in that indentation. But without the disc,
it's just a rock.
Speaker 2: Or maybe we just don't know how to turn it
on anymore. Maybe the disc was just one way to
do it. We see a rock, they saw a machine.
Speaker 1: So if we accept the premise of the source for
a moment that this is a technological device left by
visitors from the Pliades, how does it actually work? I
mean physically? How do you make a rock permeable? This
brings us to the science of the shortcut.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that pushes us out of archaeology and squarely
into theoretical physics. If you want to walk through a
wall or travel to the Pleiades without spending four hundred
years on a spaceship, you have to manipulate the space
time geometry around you. You need a wormhole, the Einstein
rosenbridge exactly. And this is where that Golden disc becomes
really fascinating from a physics perspective, because to create a
stable wormhole, at least according to our current understanding of
general relativity, you need an immense, almost unimaginable amount of energy,
or you need something called exotic matter to keep the
throat of the wormhole open.
Speaker 1: Exotic matter meaning stuff with negative energies a right.
Speaker 2: That's the theory. Normal matter has positive mass and gravity
pulls it together. Exotic matter would theoretically have negative mass.
It would push gravity apart, it would act as a
kind of anti gravity scaffold. If you don't have that,
the wormhole collapses the second you try to step.
Speaker 1: Through it, and it would crush you into singularity.
Speaker 2: Instantly, instantly. So it's not a very forgiving technology.
Speaker 1: So okay, let's speculate wildly for a second. Could the
Golden Disc have been a container for this exotic matter
or a device that manipulates local gravity fields on a
quantum level.
Speaker 2: It fits the profile. If it fell from the sky,
it implies advanced manufacture, not something you can just dig up.
If it opens a door to the stars, it implies
it controls the energy required to fold space. It's the
battery and the key in one.
Speaker 1: Let's break down on that folding space concept for a second,
because we hear wormhole all the time in movies. But
the source material makes a distinction about dimensions that I
found really helpful in wrapping my head around it.
Speaker 2: Yes, it frames dimensions not as places, but as directions.
Speaker 1: Unpack that because when I hear fourth dimension, my mind
just goes to some trippy light show from the seventies movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a simple analogy, but it works. Imagine you
are a stick figure drawing on a flat piece of paper.
You are a two D being. You can go left, right, forward, backward.
That is your entire universe.
Speaker 1: I have no concept of up or down none.
Speaker 2: Up doesn't exist for you. It's not a direction you
can move in. Now, imagine I, a three D human,
touch the paper with my fingertip. To you, a weird
circular object just appeared out.
Speaker 1: Of nowhere, right out of thin air, and.
Speaker 2: It changes size as I press my finger down further.
It's magic, it's a miracle, or it's a monster.
Speaker 1: And then when you lift your finger, I'm gone.
Speaker 2: I vanish. I haven't gone far away on the paper.
I'm just one inch above the paper. But to you,
I have exited the universe. I am in a direction
you can't perceive.
Speaker 1: So the argument here is that the space brothers, or
the entities of marmiro met they are just in the
up direction of our reality.
Speaker 2: Exactly. They are in a higher dimension. And a wormhole
or a portal like the one in Peru is essentially
a ramp or an elevator. It allows a three D
being like us to move in a fourth dimensional direction,
even for a moment.
Speaker 1: Which means you don't need to travel a million light
years to get from the Pleiads to Peru.
Speaker 2: You just fold the paper, you punch a hole, the
distance becomes zero.
Speaker 1: That would explain so much. It explains why we don't
see them on radar or with telescopes. They aren't flying
past Mars. They are stepping through the wallpaper of our reality.
Speaker 2: And that brings us to a really terrifying possibility. If
there are doors that are locked and controlled, you know,
with a key like the one in Peru, are the
doors that are broken, doors that just swing open randomly
when they shouldn't.
Speaker 1: You mean natural wormholes, unstable ones, traps, and that takes
us from the high dry mountains of Peru down to
the warm deep waters of the ocean. We need to
talk about the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 2: The most famous anomaly on Earth, a five hundred thousand
square mile patch of ocean between Florida, Bermuda and Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know, everyone has heard of the triangle.
It's almost a cliche at this point. People blame it
for everything. But the source material focuses on one specific
incident that I think we need to revisit because the
details when you really read them are haunting flight nineteen.
Speaker 2: December five, nineteen forty five, right after the war.
Speaker 1: This wasn't some amateur hour. This was a routine training mission.
Five US Navy Avenger bombers take off from Fort Lauderdale.
The weather is fine. These are experienced pilots. Lieutenant Charles
Taylor is leading the squadron. He knows these.
Speaker 2: Waters, and about an hour and a half into a
simple three hour flight, the logic just it breaks down.
Taylor sends a transmission back to the tower. He says
his compasses are failing, both of.
Speaker 1: Them, both of them at the same time, at.
Speaker 2: The same time, and he says something that just chills
me to the bone. We don't know which way is west.
Everything is wrong, strange. Even the ocean doesn't look as
it should.
Speaker 1: Even the ocean doesn't look as it should. That's the
line I keep coming back to that. If you are
a Navy pilot, you know what the ocean looks like.
You've seen it in every condition. How can the ocean
look wrong?
Speaker 2: Later reports from other pilots in the squadron before they
lost contact mentioned them seeing white water, but not white
caps from waves. They described it as a glowing or
churning whiteness, and the confusion was total. They were over
familiar territory, the Florida Keys, yet they couldn't recognize anything.
Speaker 1: It's like a landscape itself was changing around them.
Speaker 2: And then silence. The entire squadron vanishes, and.
Speaker 1: We aren't talking about a crash where we find debris.
A few days later, we were talking about five massive
bombers just gone. When Navy launched one of the largest
air and sea searches in history, they found nothing, no
oil slicks, no wreckage, no life preservers. Nothing.
Speaker 2: But wait, it gets worse, which is the craziest part
of this story. The Navy sends out a rescue plane,
a PBM Mariner flying boat with a crew.
Speaker 1: Of eleven, to search for them.
Speaker 2: And it also disappears without a trace.
Speaker 1: So, in one afternoon, twenty seven men and six military
aircraft just vanish off the face of the Earth.
Speaker 2: So the question is where did they go? Did they
crash and the ocean just swallowed every last piece of them,
or did they slip?
Speaker 1: The source material speculates that the Bermuda Triangle might be
a natural portal, a.
Speaker 2: Place where the fabric of space time is thin or volatile.
The experts in the transcripts we reviewed, they ask, are
these planes and ships being sucked into another dimension?
Speaker 1: Can you just imagine that for a second, You're flying along,
It's a sunny afternoon, Your compass starts spinning like crazy.
You look down and the ocean is turning white. And
then suddenly you aren't in nineteen forty five over Florida anymore.
You slip through a crack in the whale.
Speaker 2: It connects back to the physics we just discussed. If
a wormhole opens, even a small, unstable one, it could
create absolute electromagnetic chaos. It could distort light, it could
mess with gravity. That explains the compass's failing. That explains
the visual distortion of the ocean.
Speaker 1: But why there, Why that specific patch of ocean? There
are other strange places, sure, but the triangle is the
most famous. The source brings up a theory that I
find fascinating, even if it is a bit out there.
It's the Atlantis connection.
Speaker 2: Yes, Plato's account of Atlantis, describing it as this technological
marvel that sank into the ocean around nine thousand, six
hundred BC.
Speaker 1: The idea being that Atlantis wasn't just a city with
nice pillars and canals. It was a high tech civilization,
maybe with technology, but we still can't comprehend.
Speaker 2: And the speculation and the source material is what if
the ruins are down there at the bottom of the triangle,
and what if their power source is still active, the.
Speaker 1: Dormant machine on the seafloor, just humming away after ten
thousand years exactly.
Speaker 2: Imagine a massive generator or a crystal energy grid, something
the ancient astronaut theorists discuss often that was damaged when
the city sank. It's been sitting there for millennia, damaged, malfunctioning,
firing off these energy bursts randomly.
Speaker 1: So if Flight nineteen didn't just get lost, they flew
over an ancient Atlantean reactor that surged at the exact
wrong moment.
Speaker 2: And it either pulled them down with some kind of
gravitational anomaly or it opened a door that they couldn't close.
The source asks, is this why pilots and sailors experience
electronic fog and time slips in that area? Is it
the residual energy of a lost civilization interfering with our
modern tech?
Speaker 1: It connects the technological aspect of the Peru gate with
the accidental aspect of the triangle. In Peru, you need
a key to open the lock. In the triangle, the
lock is broken and the door is just flapping in
the wind.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. One is a
controlled entry point, the other is a hazard. It's a
cosmic pothole in the road of reality.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to pivot. This has all been very
terrestrial in a way. We've talked about stone doors on land.
We've talked about gravitational traps in the sea. To go
way up into orbit.
Speaker 2: We have to talk about the Saliat seven incident.
Speaker 1: This story. Every time I read about it, I have
to pause. It challenges my worldview more than anything else
we've discussed today.
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely the most surreal. It's the one
that breaks all the molds.
Speaker 1: Set the scene for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are we win as this It's July twelfth,
nineteen eighty four. Cold war is still very much a thing.
We are on the Soviet space station Seliot seven. There
are three cosmonauts on board, well like at cough, Liamid
Kazim and Vladimir Solovya.
Speaker 1: And let's be really clear about who these men are.
They are Soviet cosmonauts. They are atheists by state mandate.
They are trained scientists, test pilots, engineers. These are not
people who hallucinate. They are, by training, some of the toughest,
most pragmatic people on Earth.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they are not prone to flights of fancy. They
are the definition of the right stuff. But on this
day they send a transmission to mission control that sounds like, well,
it sounds like it's sanate.
Speaker 1: They report that the station is suddenly bathed in an intense,
brilliant orange light.
Speaker 2: They said it was so bright it physically blinded them
for a moment. The whole station was just filled with
this orange gas or light. And when their eyes finally adjusted,
they looked out.
Speaker 1: The portholes and they saw something.
Speaker 2: They reported seeing seven enormous winged humanoid beings floating in
the vacuum of space right outside their windows, keeping pace
with the station as it orbited the Earth at seventeen
thousand miles an hour seven.
Speaker 1: And when we say enormous, the source is pretty specific
about the scale, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The source says approximately ninety feet tall.
Speaker 1: Ninety feet Just take a moment and think about that scale.
That is a ten story building floating in the blackness
of space with wings.
Speaker 2: And the description is very, very specific. They didn't say aliens,
they didn't say grays or reptilians. They said the beings
emanated in ethereal light. They had halos, they had massive wings.
They looked for all intents and purposes like classical angels.
Speaker 1: And they stayed there for ten minutes. This wasn't a
subliminal flash or trigger to light. They hung out there.
They smiled at the cosmonauts. The Cosmos said the beings
looked peaceful, benevolent, and then they just faded away.
Speaker 2: And the story gets even stranger because mission control, of
course told them they were hallucinating from exhaustion. But to
verify they weren't crazy, the Soviets actually sent up a
second crew later on, three more cosmonauts, and the event
happened again. They saw the same beings.
Speaker 1: So now you have six witnesses, six highly trained Soviet cosmonauts.
We have to ask the question, this isn't little green
men in a saucer. This is biblical scale high strangeness.
What on earth are we looking at here?
Speaker 2: The source material draws a direct unambiguous line from the
Soviet seven incident to religious texts from all over the world.
It suggests that what we call angels and what we
call aliens might be the exact same phenomenon, just viewed
through different cultural lenses over time.
Speaker 1: It brings up the history of Muhammed right the foundations
of Islam.
Speaker 2: Yes six' ten, Ad mohammed is meditating in a cave
and the Angel gabriel appears to. Him, now traditionally that
is a spiritual religious, event but the ancient astronaut theorists
they look at the mechanics of. It gabriel Visits mohammad
for twenty three, years dictating The. Koran but there is
one specific event called The Night, journey.
Speaker 1: Where gabriel Takes mohammed to circle.
Speaker 2: The earth, exactly and the text describe seeing the whole
planet from. Above but the crucial, detail the one that
makes a physicist's ears perk, up is the time. Dilation
it says the entire journey took one and a half.
Speaker 1: Minutes he circled The, earth saw, everything and came back
in ninety. Seconds that sounds a lot Like einstein's theory of.
Speaker 2: Relativity it does if you are traveling at or near
the speed of, light or moving through a. Wormhole time
behaves differently for you than it does for a stationary.
Observer to the observer On, earth it's an. Instant to the,
traveler it's a.
Speaker 1: Journey so the source asked the, question Was gabriel an interdimensional?
Traveler were the beings outside sally at seven the same
kind of? Entities these travelers from a higher? Dimension and are.
Speaker 2: They aaring in a form that we can. Comprehend that's
the big question for. Me if a being from the fifth,
dimension a being of pure energy or, light poked its
head into our THREE d, world what would it even
look like to?
Speaker 1: Us maybe our brains just can't process, it so it
fills in the. Blanks our brain interprets that energy as
wings and a, halo because that's the closest reference file
we have in our cultural. Software shiny thing in sky
that brings a message must be an, angel or.
Speaker 2: Maybe they intentionally project that image to keep us. Calm
the cosmonauts said they felt, peaceful a sense of. Awe
if you saw a ninety foot screaming geometric shape of pure,
energy you might. Panic you might have a heart. Attack
if you see a smiling angel you watch In.
Speaker 1: Wonder it connects back to The Peru, gate, too doesn't.
It the space, brothers the. Messengers we keep seeing these
advanced beings interacting with, humanity teaching, us giving us, books
giving us. Keys they seem to want to help us
unlock the.
Speaker 2: Doors but and here's where the episode takes its biggest
AND i think most profound. Turn and what if we're
looking in the wrong place for the. Key we've been
talking about stone, doors ocean, traps and space, stations all external.
Speaker 1: Things what if the doors inside?
Speaker 2: Us this is the final and perhaps most empowering shift
in the source material we're looking. At we go from
external technology to internal.
Speaker 1: Biology and for that we are going to The Kalahari
desert to talk about The Sand, bushman the first.
Speaker 2: Tribe genetic studies have shown that The sand people possess
some of the, oldest most DIVERSE dna On. Earth they,
are in a, sense the primordial seed of. Humanity if
anyone remembers the original instructions for being, human it's.
Speaker 1: Them and they have a, ritual a very intense ritual
called the Trans.
Speaker 2: Dance it's a fireside. Ceremony it lasts for hours and.
Hours they, dance they, chant the rhythm gets incredibly, intense
and the goal of all of this is to activate
a specific energy within the.
Speaker 1: Body they call it noom am, i saying that.
Speaker 2: Right nim. Yes it's described as a boiling. Energy the
shamans say it sits dormant at the base of the,
spine and through the, dance through the, rhythm it heats,
Up it, boils rises up the spine and exits through
the crown of the.
Speaker 1: Head and the descriptions of this experience are. Visceral it sounds,
painful it sounds incredibly. Intense but when it, happens when
that energy is, released the shaman.
Speaker 2: Changes the source lists some absolutely incredible. Abilities once the
neom is, activated the shaman can reportedly travel to the spirit,
world which the source directly equates to traveling to other.
Speaker 1: Dimensions but it's not just mental. Travel this isn't just
a vivid dream or a. Hallucination there are physical effects
reported that are, well they're hard to.
Speaker 2: Explain fire. Immunity this is the detail that blew my.
Mind the source claims that when they are in this trance,
state they can put their heads directly into the. Fire
they can eat hot, coals they can handle burning logs
without blistering their.
Speaker 1: Hands there's a quote that, says although their hair might,
singe their face won't be. Burned that that is a
biological anomaly that shouldn't be. Possible according to a understanding
of physics and.
Speaker 2: Biology it suggests that this boiling energy actually changes the
vibrational state of the. Body it shifts the phase of
their matter just enough that the fire doesn't interact with
them in the normal destructive.
Speaker 1: Way so tie this back to The Golden disk and
the machines In.
Speaker 2: Peru, well the expert analysis in the source asks a critical,
question is this magic or is it? Biology if the
sand have the oldest HUMAN, dna maybe they have the
original keys to the car encoded in their. Blood maybe
that's the human factory, setting.
Speaker 1: Meaning maybe we were all designed to do this.
Speaker 2: Exactly maybe The Golden disc In peru was a, crutch
a technological tool for people who have forgotten how to
use their own internal. Technology but the sand they never.
Forgot they don't need the, disc they don't need the wormhole.
Machine they use consciousness itself as the.
Speaker 1: Portal that is a massive idea that consciousness is the ultimate.
Vehicle if the.
Speaker 2: Universe is met of frequencies and vibrations like your wallpaper,
analogy then maybe you. DON'T i don't need a spaceship
to go up to the next. Dimension you just need
to change your own frequency to match.
Speaker 1: It you tune the radio dial of your soul and.
Speaker 2: Pop you're. There you're with the space, brothers you're seeing the.
Angels so let's just.
Speaker 1: Look at the map we've drawn. Today we have the
locked door In peru that needs a specific physical. Key
we have the broken door in The Bermuda triangle that
can trap you by. Accident we have the travelers At
salued seven who seem to live outside the house entirely
and just peek in the. Windows and now we have
the internal key of the Sand, bushman a biological.
Speaker 2: Stargate it paints a picture of a universe that is
much more crowded and much more accessible than we are
taught to.
Speaker 1: BELIEVE i want to read a quote from the source
material that really sums this up for. Me it talks
about the.
Speaker 2: Highway, yes that's a powerful.
Speaker 1: Image the quote IS i think somewhere out there there's
a highway containing the souls of millions of aliens traveling
across the galaxy at the speed of.
Speaker 2: Light and the chilling part is the question that, follows.
Speaker 1: If it's right next to, us could we humans detect
this super.
Speaker 2: Highway, no we are like ants living on the median
of an. Interstate we see the flash of headlights and
think it's. Lightning we feel the rumble of the trucks
and think it's, thunder but really it's just cosmic rush.
Speaker 1: Hour the source ends on a hopeful, note though it
talks about the future of physics where we might be.
Speaker 2: Heading it predicts that we are currently in a kind of,
exile that we've been separated from these other. Dimensions but
the future of, science it, argues is to combine the
visible and the non, visible to merge spirituality and quantum.
Speaker 1: Mechanics the unseen will be. Seen that's the.
Speaker 2: Promise if we can update our laws of physics to include,
consciousness to include, multidimensionality we might just rejoin the. Neighborhood
we might finally realize we haven't been alone in the
house at.
Speaker 1: All we might finally find that door in the.
Speaker 2: Wallpaper and have the courage to open.
Speaker 1: It so here's the. QUESTION i want to leave all
of you with. Today it's a thrilling threads. Tradition let's hear.
It if you hiked up that plateau In, peru if
you still before the gate of The, gods feeling that
thin cold wind on your, face and if you look
down and you found that golden disk lying in the,
dirt knowing that if you put it in the, slot
you'd be leaving everything you've ever known and you might
never come. Back would you do?
Speaker 2: It that is the ultimate, question isn't it the explorer's?
Dilemma curiosity versus? Safety would you leave the known house
for the unknown?
Speaker 1: Universe and one, more Regarding flight, nineteen do you think
those twenty seven men are dead or do you think
they are just elsewhere waiting for the door to open.
Speaker 2: Again i'd like to believe they are, elsewhere flying a
patrol in the. Sky we just can't. See it's a nicer.
Speaker 1: Thought if you have a, theory or if you've ever
seen a door where there shouldn't be, one leave us
a comment. Below we want to hear.
Speaker 2: It we certainly.
Speaker 1: Do until next, time keep pulling the. Threads you never
know what we'll. Unravel