1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,879 Speaker 1: I want you to try a little thought experiment with me. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,120 It's it can feel a little claustrophobic, so just bear 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:06,799 with me for a second. 4 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:07,559 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you. 5 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Imagine you have lived in a single house, yeah, your 6 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:14,039 entire life. You were born there, you grew up there. 7 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:16,760 You know every single inch of it. You know exactly 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,000 which floorboard creaks in the hallway when you try to 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,039 sneak to the kitchen at night. You know how the 10 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,679 light hits that one spot on the kitchen table at 11 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:29,920 exactly four point zero pm. That house is the only 12 00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:32,119 reality you have ever ever known. 13 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 2: It's a comfortable reality, it's predictable, it's you know, it's safe, exactly. 14 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: It's safe. But then one random Tuesday, you are walking 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,479 down that same hall where you've walked down ten thousand times. 16 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:47,600 You brush your hand against the wallpaper and you feel. 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: A seam, a scene that shouldn't be there. 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,679 Speaker 1: It shouldn't be there, and you peel it back just 19 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:54,280 a little bit, just a fraction, and you realize something 20 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:57,479 completely impossible. There's a door there, Wow. 21 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: A door that leads to a room you didn't even 22 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:01,200 know existed in your own house. 23 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: Or or worse, what if it's a door that doesn't 24 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:05,799 lead to a room at all. What if it's a 25 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,319 door that leads to somewhere that doesn't fit inside the 26 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,920 blueprint of the house, somewhere that defies the very geometry 27 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,400 of the building you spent your whole life in. 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,359 Speaker 2: That's a chilling thought. It's the locked room mystery, but 29 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:19,719 you're applying it to the entire planet. That sensation that 30 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,040 the architecture of our own reality might have these hidden 31 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,040 anemesis that we're just we're too blind to see. 32 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,799 Speaker 1: That is the feeling we are chasing today. Welcome back 33 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:32,599 to thrilling threads. Today, we aren't just reading history books 34 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,239 or reciting dates. We are pulling at the loose threads 35 00:01:35,239 --> 00:01:39,280 of our reality. Specifically, we're diving into the physics, the folklore, 36 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,640 and the absolute high strangeness of interdimensional travel. 37 00:01:43,879 --> 00:01:46,879 Speaker 2: And we have, I mean a massive stack of sources. Today. 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,040 We're pulling heavily from ancient astronaut theory, from transcripts that 39 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:54,159 got our hands on regarding visitors from other dimensions, and 40 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,359 some very specific, really unsettling anomalies that have been reported 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,640 by well sources. We're talking navy pilots, Soviet Cosmona. 42 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: Right, and the mission for this particular deep dive is 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,680 I think really interesting. We are trying to reframe the 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,400 entire conversation about extraterrestrials. Usually when we look for life, 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,159 we look up. 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: Of course, you look at the stars. You think about 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:27,759 distance light years, propulsion systems, spacecraft. 48 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,719 Speaker 1: Which makes total sense if they aren't from Earth, logic 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,520 dictates they must be from Mars or Alpha Centauri or 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,840 you know, those that are reticulized system or whatever. 51 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: But the sources we're analyzing today ask a completely different question. 52 00:02:39,439 --> 00:02:42,439 What if the aliens aren't travelers from a different place 53 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:43,199 in our universe? 54 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,039 Speaker 1: What if they're from a different density exactly? 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,159 Speaker 2: What if they're right next door, just just shifted one 56 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:49,360 frequency away from us? 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: You know, it completely changes the fear factor too. I 58 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:54,840 was thinking about this. If they're light years away, theoretically 59 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,759 we see them coming, we see the armada on the sensors, 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,319 you know, Independence. 61 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:01,719 Speaker 2: Day style rightning, you have some warning. 62 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,719 Speaker 1: But if they are interdimensional, I mean, they could be 63 00:03:04,759 --> 00:03:06,680 standing in the room with us right now, breathing down 64 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:10,080 our necks and we just lack the sensory equipment to 65 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:10,680 perceive them. 66 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:13,319 Speaker 2: That is the terrifying part. It turns the universe from 67 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:17,280 this vast empty ocean into a very very crowded elevator. 68 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:21,159 And to explore this, we have an incredible itinerary lined up. 69 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: We really do. We are going to break down the 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,319 physics of wormholes, I mean, the actual science behind the shortcut. 71 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,879 We're going to look at the Bermuda Triangle, but not 72 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:33,919 just as a place where planes crash, but as maybe 73 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,039 a natural portal that malfunctions. 74 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: And we are definitely going to talk about the sally 75 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:40,919 At seven incident, which is, honestly, it's one of the 76 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:45,439 few space stories that genuinely unsettles me. Giant winged beings 77 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:48,520 in orbit. That is a level of high strangeness that 78 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:50,159 just goes beyond nuts and bolts. 79 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,319 Speaker 1: It's biblical, it really is. It challenges that whole secular 80 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:57,120 scientific view of space exploration we've built up. But before 81 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,919 we get to the space angels, we need to start 82 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,800 on the ground. We need to look at the hardware. 83 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:04,800 If these portals exist, what do they look like, and 84 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:07,639 maybe more importantly, how do you open them? 85 00:04:07,879 --> 00:04:10,199 Speaker 2: Which brings us to Peru high in the Andes. 86 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,599 Speaker 1: Let's set the scene. We are about eight hundred miles 87 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:15,719 southeast of Lima. We're near the shores of Lake Titakaka, 88 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,959 which is itself a place of immense history and mystery. 89 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:21,399 Speaker 2: And this is not an easy place to get to. 90 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:24,519 We are talking about a region called Hyu Marca for 91 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,839 a context. This is high altitude, about fourteen thousand feet up. 92 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,800 The air is thin. It is incredibly quiet up there, 93 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,480 I can only imagine, and the landscape is dominated by 94 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,920 these massive, almost alien looking red rock formations. It looks Martian. 95 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,199 It's a place where you really feel the isolation in 96 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:42,720 your bones. 97 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:45,959 Speaker 1: The sources describe it as literally in the middle of nowhere. 98 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,519 But in this desolate landscape, there's one specific rock formation 99 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,800 that just it stands out. It's called the Porta de 100 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,839 Hyu Marca. 101 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: The Gate of the Gods. 102 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: Now, when I first looked at the photos and the 103 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,879 source material, my skepticism immediately kicked. I thought, okay, it's 104 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,319 a rock formation. Humans are graded seeing patterns, you know, 105 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:07,959 faces and clouds and rocks peridolia. 106 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: Sure, that's the first logical step. 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,319 Speaker 1: But this, this isn't Perry Dooley. This is geometry, this 108 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:14,120 is engineering. 109 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:19,759 Speaker 2: It's unmistakably artificial imagine a massive sheer face of red rock, 110 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,160 just a huge cliff face, and carved into it is 111 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,120 a gigantic rectangle, perfectly leveled. It's about twenty three feet square. 112 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,480 It looks like a blind entrance to a giant hangar 113 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:30,399 or a temple. 114 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:33,439 Speaker 1: But it doesn't open. That's the thing. It's just it's 115 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,639 carved into the face. It's a facade. It goes nowhere, right. 116 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:38,879 Speaker 2: But that's not even the weirdest part. At the bottom 117 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:41,839 center of this giant twenty three foot square there is 118 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,920 a smaller depression, a smaller carved rectangle, and this one 119 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:48,399 is human sized. It's just under six feet tall. 120 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: So you have a giant door for titans, for ships, 121 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:53,920 and then a little door for humans, like a cosmic 122 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:54,480 doggy door. 123 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: That's the implication. But again, it's solid rock. The geologists 124 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,319 have checked. There is no cavern behind it. There is 125 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,480 no hidden hallway. If you were an archaeologist looking at 126 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:07,920 this purely as a structural project, it makes zero sense none. 127 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: Why would an ancient civilization without power tools, mind, you 128 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,600 expend this much energy and time and resources to carve 129 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:17,920 a fake door into. 130 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: A mountain unless the door isn't physical that's the kicker, 131 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:21,480 isn't it. 132 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,199 Speaker 1: That has to be it. 133 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,439 Speaker 2: If a function isn't for your body to walk through 134 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:27,040 the rock via a tunnel, but for the rock itself 135 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:30,600 to change state, then the engineering makes a completely different 136 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:31,240 kind of sense. 137 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: And there's a specific detail about that smaller human sized 138 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,079 door that really caught my attention in the transcripts. The 139 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,759 archaeologists who examined the site, they found a small depression 140 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,519 right in the center of the doorway, a circular indentation. 141 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: A socket or a key hole. 142 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: This is where the folklore stops being just a quaint 143 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,920 story and starts sounding like an instruction manual. The local 144 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:56,720 legends speak of an Incan priest king named Amaru Mehru. 145 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: The first priest King, and his story is, well, it's tragic, really, 146 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000 it's a story of an ending. 147 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,399 Speaker 1: The story goes that Tomorrow Meru didn't just stumble upon 148 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:09,839 this place. He was fleeing the Spanish conquistadors were ravaging 149 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:13,439 the land, melting down the gold, destroying the culture. Amaru 150 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,839 Meru flees to this high plateau and he brings something 151 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,680 with him, the Key of the Gods of the Seven Rays. 152 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,439 Speaker 2: Which is such a great evocative name, but in the 153 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,680 specific legend we are analyzing. From the source, this object 154 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,319 is described more simply as a golden. 155 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,639 Speaker 1: Disc, a disc. And where did he get this disc? 156 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:32,319 Speaker 2: The legend says it fell from the sky. 157 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:34,519 Speaker 1: Okay, let's just pause there for a second. Fell from 158 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,399 the sky. In a historical context, that usually means a meteorite. 159 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:41,600 The ancients, you know, they loved worshiping iron meteorites. But 160 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:43,879 tomorrow Meru didn't force this into a sword or a 161 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,360 piece of armor. He used it as a tool, a. 162 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: Very specific tool that fit perfectly into that circular depression 163 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:50,759 in the rock wall. 164 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: So picture this. You have this priest king. He's desperate, 165 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:57,120 he's fleeing an invading army that's destroying his entire world. 166 00:07:57,399 --> 00:07:59,720 He runs to this massive rock wall in the middle 167 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,600 of no where. He takes out this golden disc, which, 168 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,800 let's be honest, sounds a lot like a distinct manufacturer 169 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:09,480 geometric object, not some jagged meteorite, and he presses it 170 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:10,279 into the socket. 171 00:08:10,399 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: And the shaman who supposedly witnessed this event, his account 172 00:08:14,519 --> 00:08:18,839 says the reaction was instantaneous. The rock it shimmered. 173 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,839 Speaker 1: Shimmered. That's such a specific word. It's not crumbled or opened. 174 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:23,600 It shimmered. 175 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: It implies a phase change. The description is that the 176 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:30,399 solid wall became permeable, it became an interdimensional doorway. Amaro 177 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:32,960 Merou stepped into the rock, the light faded behind him, 178 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:34,159 and he was never seen again. 179 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,519 Speaker 1: I mean, that is the ultimate escape plan. But I 180 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:39,480 want to push on this golden disc idea because if 181 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:40,879 we look at this of the lens of the ancient 182 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:42,960 astronaut theory, this isn't magic. 183 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:46,039 Speaker 2: It's hard for the user interface exactly. 184 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,879 Speaker 1: It reminds me of two things. One obviously is the 185 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:51,279 movie Stargate. You can't not think of it, yeah, But 186 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,600 the other is more mundane. It reminds me of an 187 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,440 RFID fob you used to get into an office building. 188 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: Right, you hold the token up to the reader, the 189 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,519 maglock disengaged and the door opens. The rock itself is 190 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,840 the mechanism the lock, but it's dormant until it receives 191 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,519 the correct signal from the fob. 192 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:12,799 Speaker 1: But in this case, the door isn't opening a physical latch. 193 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:15,679 It's opening the fabric of space time itself. 194 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: And that brings up the space brothers, which is a 195 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:18,799 term I just. 196 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: Love it sounds. It's so nineteen fifty, so sci fi 197 00:09:21,639 --> 00:09:24,039 boo movie. But this is an ancient local term, isn't it. 198 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: It is the local Imara people didn't refer to the 199 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,279 entities that supposedly came through that door as gods in 200 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,120 the supernatural sense. They call them space brothers. And they 201 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,480 were very specific about where these brothers live. They didn't 202 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:36,840 just point at the sky and say heaven. 203 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: No, they had a map, a starmap they did. 204 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,879 Speaker 2: They pointed to the Pleiades. They pointed to Orion's belt. 205 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:46,600 The source material quotes a local elder saying, this is 206 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:47,559 the bridge to home. 207 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,879 Speaker 1: Bridge to home. That implies a commute. It implies that 208 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:55,120 this wasn't some one time miracle. This was a transit hub, 209 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,000 a grand central station for the. 210 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:00,399 Speaker 2: Pleiades, a transit hub that has been locked down because 211 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:02,919 we lost the key. Amar Romero took it with him. 212 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: That's the tragedy of it, right. The door is still there. 213 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,000 We can go touch it, you can fly to Paru 214 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,960 and put your hand in that indentation. But without the disc, 215 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,240 it's just a rock. 216 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: Or maybe we just don't know how to turn it 217 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,600 on anymore. Maybe the disc was just one way to 218 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:17,720 do it. We see a rock, they saw a machine. 219 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: So if we accept the premise of the source for 220 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,759 a moment that this is a technological device left by 221 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,679 visitors from the Pliades, how does it actually work? I 222 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,720 mean physically? How do you make a rock permeable? This 223 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:32,480 brings us to the science of the shortcut. 224 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that pushes us out of archaeology and squarely 225 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,200 into theoretical physics. If you want to walk through a 226 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,960 wall or travel to the Pleiades without spending four hundred 227 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,679 years on a spaceship, you have to manipulate the space 228 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,039 time geometry around you. You need a wormhole, the Einstein 229 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,080 rosenbridge exactly. And this is where that Golden disc becomes 230 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,639 really fascinating from a physics perspective, because to create a 231 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,840 stable wormhole, at least according to our current understanding of 232 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,919 general relativity, you need an immense, almost unimaginable amount of energy, 233 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,240 or you need something called exotic matter to keep the 234 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:08,600 throat of the wormhole open. 235 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,279 Speaker 1: Exotic matter meaning stuff with negative energies a right. 236 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: That's the theory. Normal matter has positive mass and gravity 237 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,639 pulls it together. Exotic matter would theoretically have negative mass. 238 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:23,480 It would push gravity apart, it would act as a 239 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:26,320 kind of anti gravity scaffold. If you don't have that, 240 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:29,120 the wormhole collapses the second you try to step. 241 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: Through it, and it would crush you into singularity. 242 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 2: Instantly, instantly. So it's not a very forgiving technology. 243 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: So okay, let's speculate wildly for a second. Could the 244 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,879 Golden Disc have been a container for this exotic matter 245 00:11:40,919 --> 00:11:44,440 or a device that manipulates local gravity fields on a 246 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:45,320 quantum level. 247 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: It fits the profile. If it fell from the sky, 248 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,639 it implies advanced manufacture, not something you can just dig up. 249 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,519 If it opens a door to the stars, it implies 250 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:57,480 it controls the energy required to fold space. It's the 251 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:58,919 battery and the key in one. 252 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,039 Speaker 1: Let's break down on that folding space concept for a second, 253 00:12:02,159 --> 00:12:04,720 because we hear wormhole all the time in movies. But 254 00:12:04,759 --> 00:12:07,639 the source material makes a distinction about dimensions that I 255 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,120 found really helpful in wrapping my head around it. 256 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: Yes, it frames dimensions not as places, but as directions. 257 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: Unpack that because when I hear fourth dimension, my mind 258 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,559 just goes to some trippy light show from the seventies movie. 259 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,639 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a simple analogy, but it works. Imagine you 260 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,600 are a stick figure drawing on a flat piece of paper. 261 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:31,120 You are a two D being. You can go left, right, forward, backward. 262 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:32,840 That is your entire universe. 263 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: I have no concept of up or down none. 264 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: Up doesn't exist for you. It's not a direction you 265 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:40,559 can move in. Now, imagine I, a three D human, 266 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:44,440 touch the paper with my fingertip. To you, a weird 267 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:46,399 circular object just appeared out. 268 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Of nowhere, right out of thin air, and. 269 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: It changes size as I press my finger down further. 270 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,440 It's magic, it's a miracle, or it's a monster. 271 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: And then when you lift your finger, I'm gone. 272 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: I vanish. I haven't gone far away on the paper. 273 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,080 I'm just one inch above the paper. But to you, 274 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,080 I have exited the universe. I am in a direction 275 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,039 you can't perceive. 276 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,919 Speaker 1: So the argument here is that the space brothers, or 277 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,639 the entities of marmiro met they are just in the 278 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,080 up direction of our reality. 279 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: Exactly. They are in a higher dimension. And a wormhole 280 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:20,279 or a portal like the one in Peru is essentially 281 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,320 a ramp or an elevator. It allows a three D 282 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,360 being like us to move in a fourth dimensional direction, 283 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:27,879 even for a moment. 284 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: Which means you don't need to travel a million light 285 00:13:29,879 --> 00:13:31,559 years to get from the Pleiads to Peru. 286 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: You just fold the paper, you punch a hole, the 287 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,159 distance becomes zero. 288 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: That would explain so much. It explains why we don't 289 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,320 see them on radar or with telescopes. They aren't flying 290 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,600 past Mars. They are stepping through the wallpaper of our reality. 291 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: And that brings us to a really terrifying possibility. If 292 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,039 there are doors that are locked and controlled, you know, 293 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,200 with a key like the one in Peru, are the 294 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:54,360 doors that are broken, doors that just swing open randomly 295 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,080 when they shouldn't. 296 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: You mean natural wormholes, unstable ones, traps, and that takes 297 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,080 us from the high dry mountains of Peru down to 298 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,279 the warm deep waters of the ocean. We need to 299 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,480 talk about the Bermuda Triangle. 300 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,759 Speaker 2: The most famous anomaly on Earth, a five hundred thousand 301 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,360 square mile patch of ocean between Florida, Bermuda and Puerto Rico. 302 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: And I know, I know, everyone has heard of the triangle. 303 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,320 It's almost a cliche at this point. People blame it 304 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,799 for everything. But the source material focuses on one specific 305 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,120 incident that I think we need to revisit because the 306 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,120 details when you really read them are haunting flight nineteen. 307 00:14:29,799 --> 00:14:32,399 Speaker 2: December five, nineteen forty five, right after the war. 308 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: This wasn't some amateur hour. This was a routine training mission. 309 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:39,519 Five US Navy Avenger bombers take off from Fort Lauderdale. 310 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,399 The weather is fine. These are experienced pilots. Lieutenant Charles 311 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,000 Taylor is leading the squadron. He knows these. 312 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,679 Speaker 2: Waters, and about an hour and a half into a 313 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,320 simple three hour flight, the logic just it breaks down. 314 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,240 Taylor sends a transmission back to the tower. He says 315 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:55,919 his compasses are failing, both of. 316 00:14:55,919 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: Them, both of them at the same time, at. 317 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,559 Speaker 2: The same time, and he says something that just chills 318 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:02,840 me to the bone. We don't know which way is west. 319 00:15:02,919 --> 00:15:06,759 Everything is wrong, strange. Even the ocean doesn't look as 320 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:07,240 it should. 321 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: Even the ocean doesn't look as it should. That's the 322 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:11,679 line I keep coming back to that. If you are 323 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,240 a Navy pilot, you know what the ocean looks like. 324 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,960 You've seen it in every condition. How can the ocean 325 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:17,600 look wrong? 326 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:20,639 Speaker 2: Later reports from other pilots in the squadron before they 327 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:24,440 lost contact mentioned them seeing white water, but not white 328 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,480 caps from waves. They described it as a glowing or 329 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,679 churning whiteness, and the confusion was total. They were over 330 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:35,799 familiar territory, the Florida Keys, yet they couldn't recognize anything. 331 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: It's like a landscape itself was changing around them. 332 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:41,919 Speaker 2: And then silence. The entire squadron vanishes, and. 333 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:43,919 Speaker 1: We aren't talking about a crash where we find debris. 334 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:46,480 A few days later, we were talking about five massive 335 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:50,320 bombers just gone. When Navy launched one of the largest 336 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,559 air and sea searches in history, they found nothing, no 337 00:15:53,679 --> 00:15:57,559 oil slicks, no wreckage, no life preservers. Nothing. 338 00:15:57,879 --> 00:16:00,679 Speaker 2: But wait, it gets worse, which is the craziest part 339 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:03,679 of this story. The Navy sends out a rescue plane, 340 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,559 a PBM Mariner flying boat with a crew. 341 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,159 Speaker 1: Of eleven, to search for them. 342 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: And it also disappears without a trace. 343 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: So, in one afternoon, twenty seven men and six military 344 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,600 aircraft just vanish off the face of the Earth. 345 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: So the question is where did they go? Did they 346 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:22,360 crash and the ocean just swallowed every last piece of them, 347 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:23,840 or did they slip? 348 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,879 Speaker 1: The source material speculates that the Bermuda Triangle might be 349 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:28,200 a natural portal, a. 350 00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: Place where the fabric of space time is thin or volatile. 351 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:34,840 The experts in the transcripts we reviewed, they ask, are 352 00:16:34,879 --> 00:16:37,759 these planes and ships being sucked into another dimension? 353 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: Can you just imagine that for a second, You're flying along, 354 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:44,080 It's a sunny afternoon, Your compass starts spinning like crazy. 355 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,480 You look down and the ocean is turning white. And 356 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:50,000 then suddenly you aren't in nineteen forty five over Florida anymore. 357 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:51,679 You slip through a crack in the whale. 358 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: It connects back to the physics we just discussed. If 359 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,759 a wormhole opens, even a small, unstable one, it could 360 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:03,799 create absolute electromagnetic chaos. It could distort light, it could 361 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:07,759 mess with gravity. That explains the compass's failing. That explains 362 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:09,480 the visual distortion of the ocean. 363 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: But why there, Why that specific patch of ocean? There 364 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,119 are other strange places, sure, but the triangle is the 365 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,759 most famous. The source brings up a theory that I 366 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,559 find fascinating, even if it is a bit out there. 367 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,319 It's the Atlantis connection. 368 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 2: Yes, Plato's account of Atlantis, describing it as this technological 369 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,000 marvel that sank into the ocean around nine thousand, six 370 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:31,720 hundred BC. 371 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:34,599 Speaker 1: The idea being that Atlantis wasn't just a city with 372 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,920 nice pillars and canals. It was a high tech civilization, 373 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,200 maybe with technology, but we still can't comprehend. 374 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,519 Speaker 2: And the speculation and the source material is what if 375 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:43,920 the ruins are down there at the bottom of the triangle, 376 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:46,279 and what if their power source is still active, the. 377 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: Dormant machine on the seafloor, just humming away after ten 378 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,680 thousand years exactly. 379 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:56,759 Speaker 2: Imagine a massive generator or a crystal energy grid, something 380 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:00,839 the ancient astronaut theorists discuss often that was damaged when 381 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:05,559 the city sank. It's been sitting there for millennia, damaged, malfunctioning, 382 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,200 firing off these energy bursts randomly. 383 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,839 Speaker 1: So if Flight nineteen didn't just get lost, they flew 384 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,680 over an ancient Atlantean reactor that surged at the exact 385 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:16,799 wrong moment. 386 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:18,279 Speaker 2: And it either pulled them down with some kind of 387 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:21,359 gravitational anomaly or it opened a door that they couldn't close. 388 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,440 The source asks, is this why pilots and sailors experience 389 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:28,480 electronic fog and time slips in that area? Is it 390 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:31,559 the residual energy of a lost civilization interfering with our 391 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:32,200 modern tech? 392 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,319 Speaker 1: It connects the technological aspect of the Peru gate with 393 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,359 the accidental aspect of the triangle. In Peru, you need 394 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,599 a key to open the lock. In the triangle, the 395 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,839 lock is broken and the door is just flapping in 396 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:43,200 the wind. 397 00:18:43,319 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. One is a 398 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,359 controlled entry point, the other is a hazard. It's a 399 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,519 cosmic pothole in the road of reality. 400 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:52,599 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to pivot. This has all been very 401 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:56,920 terrestrial in a way. We've talked about stone doors on land. 402 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:00,400 We've talked about gravitational traps in the sea. To go 403 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,759 way up into orbit. 404 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: We have to talk about the Saliat seven incident. 405 00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: This story. Every time I read about it, I have 406 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,319 to pause. It challenges my worldview more than anything else 407 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,079 we've discussed today. 408 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:14,599 Speaker 2: I think it's definitely the most surreal. It's the one 409 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:15,720 that breaks all the molds. 410 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: Set the scene for us. 411 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:19,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, where are we win as this It's July twelfth, 412 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,559 nineteen eighty four. Cold war is still very much a thing. 413 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,240 We are on the Soviet space station Seliot seven. There 414 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,640 are three cosmonauts on board, well like at cough, Liamid 415 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,759 Kazim and Vladimir Solovya. 416 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: And let's be really clear about who these men are. 417 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,599 They are Soviet cosmonauts. They are atheists by state mandate. 418 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:41,599 They are trained scientists, test pilots, engineers. These are not 419 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,440 people who hallucinate. They are, by training, some of the toughest, 420 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,240 most pragmatic people on Earth. 421 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:49,759 Speaker 2: Absolutely, they are not prone to flights of fancy. They 422 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:52,559 are the definition of the right stuff. But on this 423 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,279 day they send a transmission to mission control that sounds like, well, 424 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:56,240 it sounds like it's sanate. 425 00:19:56,319 --> 00:19:59,799 Speaker 1: They report that the station is suddenly bathed in an intense, 426 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:01,359 brilliant orange light. 427 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:03,759 Speaker 2: They said it was so bright it physically blinded them 428 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:05,799 for a moment. The whole station was just filled with 429 00:20:05,839 --> 00:20:09,240 this orange gas or light. And when their eyes finally adjusted, 430 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:09,880 they looked out. 431 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: The portholes and they saw something. 432 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: They reported seeing seven enormous winged humanoid beings floating in 433 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,640 the vacuum of space right outside their windows, keeping pace 434 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,319 with the station as it orbited the Earth at seventeen 435 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,039 thousand miles an hour seven. 436 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: And when we say enormous, the source is pretty specific 437 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,119 about the scale, isn't it. 438 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: The source says approximately ninety feet tall. 439 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: Ninety feet Just take a moment and think about that scale. 440 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,880 That is a ten story building floating in the blackness 441 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,680 of space with wings. 442 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: And the description is very, very specific. They didn't say aliens, 443 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,839 they didn't say grays or reptilians. They said the beings 444 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,400 emanated in ethereal light. They had halos, they had massive wings. 445 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,680 They looked for all intents and purposes like classical angels. 446 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: And they stayed there for ten minutes. This wasn't a 447 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,640 subliminal flash or trigger to light. They hung out there. 448 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,079 They smiled at the cosmonauts. The Cosmos said the beings 449 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,279 looked peaceful, benevolent, and then they just faded away. 450 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: And the story gets even stranger because mission control, of 451 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,440 course told them they were hallucinating from exhaustion. But to 452 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,720 verify they weren't crazy, the Soviets actually sent up a 453 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:21,160 second crew later on, three more cosmonauts, and the event 454 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,640 happened again. They saw the same beings. 455 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: So now you have six witnesses, six highly trained Soviet cosmonauts. 456 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,759 We have to ask the question, this isn't little green 457 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:35,160 men in a saucer. This is biblical scale high strangeness. 458 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,680 What on earth are we looking at here? 459 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: The source material draws a direct unambiguous line from the 460 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,200 Soviet seven incident to religious texts from all over the world. 461 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,160 It suggests that what we call angels and what we 462 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,720 call aliens might be the exact same phenomenon, just viewed 463 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:52,680 through different cultural lenses over time. 464 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: It brings up the history of Muhammed right the foundations 465 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:55,880 of Islam. 466 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: Yes six' ten, Ad mohammed is meditating in a cave 467 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,799 and the Angel gabriel appears to. Him, now traditionally that 468 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,880 is a spiritual religious, event but the ancient astronaut theorists 469 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,000 they look at the mechanics of. It gabriel Visits mohammad 470 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:14,200 for twenty three, years dictating The. Koran but there is 471 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,200 one specific event called The Night, journey. 472 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: Where gabriel Takes mohammed to circle. 473 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,559 Speaker 2: The earth, exactly and the text describe seeing the whole 474 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:25,799 planet from. Above but the crucial, detail the one that 475 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:29,119 makes a physicist's ears perk, up is the time. Dilation 476 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,680 it says the entire journey took one and a half. 477 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Minutes he circled The, earth saw, everything and came back 478 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,960 in ninety. Seconds that sounds a lot Like einstein's theory of. 479 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: Relativity it does if you are traveling at or near 480 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,640 the speed of, light or moving through a. Wormhole time 481 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,920 behaves differently for you than it does for a stationary. 482 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,200 Observer to the observer On, earth it's an. Instant to the, 483 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,039 traveler it's a. 484 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,279 Speaker 1: Journey so the source asked the, question Was gabriel an interdimensional? 485 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:56,599 Traveler were the beings outside sally at seven the same 486 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,720 kind of? Entities these travelers from a higher? Dimension and are. 487 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: They aaring in a form that we can. Comprehend that's 488 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,839 the big question for. Me if a being from the fifth, 489 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,759 dimension a being of pure energy or, light poked its 490 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:10,240 head into our THREE d, world what would it even 491 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:10,799 look like to? 492 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: Us maybe our brains just can't process, it so it 493 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,880 fills in the. Blanks our brain interprets that energy as 494 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,480 wings and a, halo because that's the closest reference file 495 00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:23,720 we have in our cultural. Software shiny thing in sky 496 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:26,160 that brings a message must be an, angel or. 497 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: Maybe they intentionally project that image to keep us. Calm 498 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,559 the cosmonauts said they felt, peaceful a sense of. Awe 499 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,480 if you saw a ninety foot screaming geometric shape of pure, 500 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:38,960 energy you might. Panic you might have a heart. Attack 501 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,960 if you see a smiling angel you watch In. 502 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,759 Speaker 1: Wonder it connects back to The Peru, gate, too doesn't. 503 00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:47,359 It the space, brothers the. Messengers we keep seeing these 504 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,039 advanced beings interacting with, humanity teaching, us giving us, books 505 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,400 giving us. Keys they seem to want to help us 506 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:53,920 unlock the. 507 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: Doors but and here's where the episode takes its biggest 508 00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,400 AND i think most profound. Turn and what if we're 509 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,759 looking in the wrong place for the. Key we've been 510 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:09,240 talking about stone, doors ocean, traps and space, stations all external. 511 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:10,839 Speaker 1: Things what if the doors inside? 512 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: Us this is the final and perhaps most empowering shift 513 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,440 in the source material we're looking. At we go from 514 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,119 external technology to internal. 515 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,279 Speaker 1: Biology and for that we are going to The Kalahari 516 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,119 desert to talk about The Sand, bushman the first. 517 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: Tribe genetic studies have shown that The sand people possess 518 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:31,559 some of the, oldest most DIVERSE dna On. Earth they, 519 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,720 are in a, sense the primordial seed of. Humanity if 520 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,559 anyone remembers the original instructions for being, human it's. 521 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: Them and they have a, ritual a very intense ritual 522 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,319 called the Trans. 523 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,039 Speaker 2: Dance it's a fireside. Ceremony it lasts for hours and. 524 00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:47,119 Hours they, dance they, chant the rhythm gets incredibly, intense 525 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,720 and the goal of all of this is to activate 526 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:51,119 a specific energy within the. 527 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: Body they call it noom am, i saying that. 528 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: Right nim. Yes it's described as a boiling. Energy the 529 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,240 shamans say it sits dormant at the base of the, 530 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,279 spine and through the, dance through the, rhythm it heats, 531 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,440 Up it, boils rises up the spine and exits through 532 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,000 the crown of the. 533 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Head and the descriptions of this experience are. Visceral it sounds, 534 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,400 painful it sounds incredibly. Intense but when it, happens when 535 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,680 that energy is, released the shaman. 536 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,759 Speaker 2: Changes the source lists some absolutely incredible. Abilities once the 537 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:25,440 neom is, activated the shaman can reportedly travel to the spirit, 538 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,640 world which the source directly equates to traveling to other. 539 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: Dimensions but it's not just mental. Travel this isn't just 540 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,640 a vivid dream or a. Hallucination there are physical effects 541 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,200 reported that are, well they're hard to. 542 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,519 Speaker 2: Explain fire. Immunity this is the detail that blew my. 543 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:42,839 Mind the source claims that when they are in this trance, 544 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,519 state they can put their heads directly into the. Fire 545 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,440 they can eat hot, coals they can handle burning logs 546 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,400 without blistering their. 547 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: Hands there's a quote that, says although their hair might, 548 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:57,039 singe their face won't be. Burned that that is a 549 00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:00,680 biological anomaly that shouldn't be. Possible according to a understanding 550 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,200 of physics and. 551 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: Biology it suggests that this boiling energy actually changes the 552 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,920 vibrational state of the. Body it shifts the phase of 553 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,480 their matter just enough that the fire doesn't interact with 554 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,079 them in the normal destructive. 555 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: Way so tie this back to The Golden disk and 556 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,599 the machines In. 557 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: Peru, well the expert analysis in the source asks a critical, 558 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:24,279 question is this magic or is it? Biology if the 559 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,480 sand have the oldest HUMAN, dna maybe they have the 560 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:31,160 original keys to the car encoded in their. Blood maybe 561 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,680 that's the human factory, setting. 562 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: Meaning maybe we were all designed to do this. 563 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: Exactly maybe The Golden disc In peru was a, crutch 564 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:39,759 a technological tool for people who have forgotten how to 565 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,680 use their own internal. Technology but the sand they never. 566 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:46,720 Forgot they don't need the, disc they don't need the wormhole. 567 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,759 Machine they use consciousness itself as the. 568 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: Portal that is a massive idea that consciousness is the ultimate. 569 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,400 Vehicle if the. 570 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,079 Speaker 2: Universe is met of frequencies and vibrations like your wallpaper, 571 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,920 analogy then maybe you. DON'T i don't need a spaceship 572 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,039 to go up to the next. Dimension you just need 573 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:04,839 to change your own frequency to match. 574 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,279 Speaker 1: It you tune the radio dial of your soul and. 575 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,319 Speaker 2: Pop you're. There you're with the space, brothers you're seeing the. 576 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,119 Angels so let's just. 577 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Look at the map we've drawn. Today we have the 578 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,079 locked door In peru that needs a specific physical. Key 579 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,720 we have the broken door in The Bermuda triangle that 580 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:24,440 can trap you by. Accident we have the travelers At 581 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,039 salued seven who seem to live outside the house entirely 582 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,440 and just peek in the. Windows and now we have 583 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:32,680 the internal key of the Sand, bushman a biological. 584 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: Stargate it paints a picture of a universe that is 585 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,039 much more crowded and much more accessible than we are 586 00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:38,559 taught to. 587 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,079 Speaker 1: BELIEVE i want to read a quote from the source 588 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,440 material that really sums this up for. Me it talks 589 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:43,720 about the. 590 00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: Highway, yes that's a powerful. 591 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: Image the quote IS i think somewhere out there there's 592 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,720 a highway containing the souls of millions of aliens traveling 593 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:54,319 across the galaxy at the speed of. 594 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,599 Speaker 2: Light and the chilling part is the question that, follows. 595 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: If it's right next to, us could we humans detect 596 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:00,559 this super. 597 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 2: Highway, no we are like ants living on the median 598 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,759 of an. Interstate we see the flash of headlights and 599 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,960 think it's. Lightning we feel the rumble of the trucks 600 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,720 and think it's, thunder but really it's just cosmic rush. 601 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: Hour the source ends on a hopeful, note though it 602 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,880 talks about the future of physics where we might be. 603 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: Heading it predicts that we are currently in a kind of, 604 00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,319 exile that we've been separated from these other. Dimensions but 605 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,759 the future of, science it, argues is to combine the 606 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:34,119 visible and the non, visible to merge spirituality and quantum. 607 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: Mechanics the unseen will be. Seen that's the. 608 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: Promise if we can update our laws of physics to include, 609 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,279 consciousness to include, multidimensionality we might just rejoin the. Neighborhood 610 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:47,440 we might finally realize we haven't been alone in the 611 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:47,759 house at. 612 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: All we might finally find that door in the. 613 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: Wallpaper and have the courage to open. 614 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,319 Speaker 1: It so here's the. QUESTION i want to leave all 615 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,640 of you with. Today it's a thrilling threads. Tradition let's hear. 616 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,640 It if you hiked up that plateau In, peru if 617 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,440 you still before the gate of The, gods feeling that 618 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,680 thin cold wind on your, face and if you look 619 00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,559 down and you found that golden disk lying in the, 620 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,440 dirt knowing that if you put it in the, slot 621 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:14,599 you'd be leaving everything you've ever known and you might 622 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,680 never come. Back would you do? 623 00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: It that is the ultimate, question isn't it the explorer's? 624 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,559 Dilemma curiosity versus? Safety would you leave the known house 625 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,359 for the unknown? 626 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,759 Speaker 1: Universe and one, more Regarding flight, nineteen do you think 627 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,039 those twenty seven men are dead or do you think 628 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,839 they are just elsewhere waiting for the door to open. 629 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: Again i'd like to believe they are, elsewhere flying a 630 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,839 patrol in the. Sky we just can't. See it's a nicer. 631 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: Thought if you have a, theory or if you've ever 632 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,400 seen a door where there shouldn't be, one leave us 633 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,599 a comment. Below we want to hear. 634 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:46,279 Speaker 2: It we certainly. 635 00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: Do until next, time keep pulling the. Threads you never 636 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:50,240 know what we'll. Unravel