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Speaker 1: Oh that's a sharp looking Yeah, that's a sharp look
at jeep.
Speaker 3: It is a sharp looking jeep. I love it, you know, Danny,
I was thinking today, I'd like to go back in time,
back to a simpler time when I don't know, Like
my dad went to shake up a bottle of Coughs
Europe once to give to one of the kids, and
the lead wasn't put on exactly tight, and it's splashed
up the wall and he took it and he went,
God damn, mother fucker, and he slams it down and
it bounces up and it's all over the ceiling and
the walls, and my mother's crying because she's the one
who didn't put the lid up and exactly right. Or
he would hit his thumb with a hammer and call
a godsucking motherfucker and thing would go hurl into the
back and nobody cared. Nobody cared. It was what a
man did. Until he blew off Steve. It was no problem.
It was nothing.
Speaker 1: Tells stuff.
Speaker 3: They would yell at you, yes, they would tell you
you need you to have your head examined. And we're
all these things that go I want some I want
some day without kids in it, you know, go to bed,
these types of things, And I'm just saying it was
a simpler time. Yes. Now we live in a time
where it's like everything's recorded. Well everything, okay, okay, all right,
I didn't I wasn't even gonna go there.
Speaker 1: Everything's on record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't going that way. But you're not wrong
on that at all.
Speaker 1: Clearly, my wife has these Alexa things. I have to
unplug it when she's not home because I'm that guy.
I don't swear, but i'll say things out loud. I'll
just talk to myself. People call it. I call it
dance dance plaining, right, and I dance plain things out loud.
I think through things as I talk through them. But
I don't want Alexa to hear that stuff because because
I'm working through thoughts, it's not it's not a permanent thought.
It's not what I think. It's like, all right, well
if this happens, and this happens in this, but I
explain it, and I don't need Alexa hearing that stuff.
Speaker 3: No, But what I where I You're right, and I don't.
Speaker 1: Need Alexa know what I'm doing, like when I'm watching,
or what i'm you know, or what I'm wearing that
other stuff.
Speaker 3: I admit everything. I even admitted last night. I asked
Stephanie if she was familiar with realit or porn where
the real is showing some single guy banging and how
do I know this? Because I is that and lone life.
What I was going to say was back in the
day when like my own man, you know, yelling, screaming,
hitting things, cursing all the time, mad the whole the
air would turn purple. You could hear when his car
was hitting the driveway. You would just run and hide
because you just knew by the sound, even just the
sound of the gravel sounded the annoid as he pulled up.
Sometimes and I go, but now it's almost it's not
that you're not allowed to be that way you are,
but the way we express ourselves. We realize how wrong
that is. Do you know what I'm saying? Right, we've learned,
we've evolved enough to know that you can't react that
way to things.
Speaker 1: My father admitted that before he died to us, not
on his deathbed, long before he died, so that didn't
mean to be such a rotten sob right, But and
then he would explain why that's exactly. And I get it.
Speaker 3: Butch I get it. I understand that's Danny's dad. I
get it because I'm going, you know, you just want
to like screen, but you can anymore because it's not
the right thing to do. And and it's it's people
who are more evolved than me. I still I'm the
missing link. I guess I don't know what it is,
but it's like, I just want to yell, scrap.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be study? You could probably earn
a lot of money being there. It's me either basically
go to UB or U of R and they'll study it.
You make a ton of money.
Speaker 3: I have said, like I mean this past couple of
weeks and you know some things that I have just
been so frustrated and angry and mad. And I was
like the other day, I could see myself and I
don't do it anymore. But I could put a hole
in a wall, like you know, there was a lot
of drywall in my past. I remember, yeah, yeah, and
I right in those days, or like even the way
we did the break well, I would get so mad
about stuffing. You can't really do that anymore because it's
just and it should never have been acceptable. I am
admitting that there was a little fun in that it
was a blowoff steam. You blew it off, and it
felt okay. But the other the problem is where's that gun,
for lack of a better term, aimed, and who's absorbing
to blow this heat and this blow? And I absorbed
so much blow. I just figured everybody did. And so
you just kind of rolled on. It was like water
off the ducks back After a while, you know, you're
told that you're stupid, and he just went on. But
now you're realizing that maybe that wasn't a healthy way.
So I hate it because now I question that the
fuck is wrong with me instead of just living and
just go doing a bunch of fucking hole the wall.
I was molested as a child. My parents had no idea.
I'm angry, I'm pissed off about things that my life
as an adult. What the fuck do you want from me?
I can't do that, but I want to do that,
but you want to do that. I want to do that.
Speaker 1: You can't, but you want to know.
Speaker 3: And then I and so now I'm so modern man.
I go and I talk to somebody and you know,
even there, Well, but that wasn't why I was doing
it before that. Well I think it was. But I've
done it a number of times and I decided I
should probably go and do it again. And then I'm
told I have I haven't really dealt with certain issues,
like really put them to bed. And I'm like, okay.
So I looked at this person. I go, They're like, well,
you know, I said, yeah, there's been a lot of
drywall in the past. There's been a lot. There's been
a lot of drywall, a lot of things. I go,
you know, people want to know where it came from.
I go, I told you, I gave her graphic. I
gave you graphic detail of the molestation. I gave her
graphic detail. I go, how about that? How about this?
How about these things? How about that? How am I
not supposed to be that way? And she's like, well,
do you ever consider, like, you know, maybe trying this
or that? And I go, no, No. I kind of
like my method.
Speaker 1: That's the big thing. One of the things that about it,
like hitting.
Speaker 3: A half have you bag? Or I like yelling? I
like it. It makes me feel I can't And it's
like but other people, but other people do not. And
I'm going to drive away to the verberation people that
I love the most I have, I have always, and
I've been told this over the years. I turned my
guns towards the person that's closest to me, and I
think a lot of times with me, I want to I
want you to feel the pain I'm feeling. You know,
this sucks so bad.
Speaker 1: I want you to empathize.
Speaker 3: You know, well, it's not even empathize. I want you
to fucking feel it. And if I have to say
mean things to make you feel it, I'm gonna fucking
do it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like someone coming up and you go,
oh my god, this tastes like shit. Try it. I
want you to have the same bad taste in your
mouth as me and I go. But here's the sick part.
Not the sick part. The healthy part is the frustrating
part for me because I realize how shitty that is
as a person. I really, I truly do. I go,
I don't want to be that guy. But in the moment,
it just feels good. Well, it's all I know, It's
all right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the you know the Lincoln letter, right,
the story the Lincoln Letter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, explain it for people who don't Abraham Lincoln. You
throw this out. You've referenced this before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Abraham Lincoln was a president of the United States
where we live here in America, and he freed these
people called the slaves. No, what happened was he uh,
something happened to the war that went awry and he
had a general screw up majorly, and Lincoln was ready
to kill him. So he wrote him this letter that
he never sent. It was very cathartic, and he was
like pages and they found this letter that he wrote
later on after he had died. He never sent the letter.
He just got his anger out in that letter.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: The point is is like when I talk about Alexa
not wanting to hear me, I'm yelling my frustrations at
a lot of different things. Things in my life right
that are kind of funny. If they were on a sitcom,
you can hear the laugh track and all that stuff.
But the end of the day, I can't do that
in front of my wife. I can't do that in
front of my family. I can't do that in front
of my boss. I unless it's like, hey, listen, we
have to have a talk. But I have to get
it out of my system before we have the quote talk.
So in other words, I'm kidding it out. It's just
not aimed at anybody. It's aimed at like a It's
like it's like going to target practice. Look, nobody gets hurt,
but you got to get it out. You can't you
can't internalize it, or else you will explode.
Speaker 3: As in the adult I would. I used to get
up and write three pages streaming conscious and then I
stopped doing that, and I try some other things, but
it's a good way to set the tone for your day.
I think I even saw some people make fun of this.
But I think I saw Chris Martin from Coldplay talking
about how every day he gets up and he just
writes for twelve minutes whatever's on his mind, and he goes.
Some of it's really awful, horrible stuff. Some of it, though,
you turn into songs and things because that's not where
it comes from. But that you get it out right
clear cat that's means and I and I get that.
But at the same time, there was something almost like
cartoonish charming Archie Bunker, Fred Stanford, Fred Flintstone. I don't know,
like something about it and I and it is. I
don't know if it's a if it's a male thing.
I don't see many women. I don't know any women
that I've ever done this. They can handle shit better.
I think women are. I've always said this, you can
argue intelligence. I think there's antelligence on both sides. I
think we could find men and women the smartest end
of the spectrum you're going to find, right, I don't
know the ones any smarter than the other. But I
do think when it comes to emotional intelligence and being
able to see things clearly, or the ten thousand foot
for the big pit whatever it is. Women are great
at it, or most guys at least the house apes
I hang out with, are all like, ah right, you know,
I practically would rip a door off the fucking hinges.
I would get so mad.
Speaker 1: Like women see the connections of the problem, the problem right, yeah,
and how to fix it. Women see the connections. They
may not know how to fix it, but they see
how it all ties together.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they can, but they can control their emotions
for the most part.
Speaker 1: The manifest differently. Their emotions manifest differently.
Speaker 3: Get like, it's so stupid, it's dumb, and I don't
want to be that way for him, and I haven't
really been, but I know, and I go Jesus. But
then then I start to think and I say mean things.
I'll say awful, mean things to people, like, you know,
really kind of hip below the belt in a way
that I can do. And and then, you know, somebody
once said to me, do you feel better doing that?
And I go in a moment kind of, but then
I don't because then you're like, ah.
Speaker 1: Fuck the reverberation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have an issue. I have a situation right
now in this town with with with friends, and I
could explain who it is. But I should be careful
ass me occasionally. No, I've snapped at him in front
of you, but that's just that's just called Tuesday. Fucking pissed. Jesus.
I saw a cupboard.
Speaker 1: Having worked with you.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, somebody says it's like somebody says it's like
a train coming.
Speaker 1: I can hear it like third.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like yeah. But even there, it was
like starting out of the podcast and I was trying
to establish things and he's saying things to people and
I'm like, why would you do that? It goes against
the very grain? But then why do I care? Like
I should have just stepped back and gone, no big deal,
but I but I can't because I hold everything close
and tight. And then then that's when I that's when
you fuck everything up, is when you hold it tight.
You squeeze it so tight your break. But something about
like you know, just lately, I've been ah and I
uh yeah, I say things that are that are hurtful,
and I push people away and I get all nasty
and and then and then you start to feel a
little bad and someone tries to point out to you
the right way, and you go yeah, I know. I'm aware.
I'm aware, but I don't know how to It sounds insane,
but I there are times where I'm getting better about it.
But I it's like it could come and I could
just be like, what is that you were? Life coach?
What would you say? Honestly? And I'm not even picking
on you because I well, no, I think you think
I did make jokes. I did it. I will admit
that I did. But what would you say to somebody
like you know? I mean, I can. Here's the problem.
I see when you know better, do better? Why know better?
But I like the way?
Speaker 1: Well, well, here's the thing. So like you, you you've
also been the guy who says, go for the happier
feeling thought. Well, it's very hard to find the happier
feeling thought when you're in a moment of misery, because
that's what it is, right, And so what you have
to be able to do is every decision we make
is ultimately dictated. Most this is gonna sound odd by
the state you're in. So if you're hungry, right, if
you're like those Snickers commercials, well you seem to get
angry when you're hungry, Well that that's that that's true
because when you're hungry, you're gonna be more apt to
snap at your kids in the car if, like if
there's not a service station for another forty miles, right,
because because you're on edge, because you've been doing everything
to get them ready. This is all for them, and
at the end of the day, you're the one who
you know. Like on the airplane, the plan's going down,
they say, don't put the mask on your kid, put
it on yourself. If you put it on the kid,
you die. The kid's not gonna be able to take
care of himself. You gotta put it on yourself first,
and you gotta take care of you first. It sounds selfish,
it's not. It's actually one of the more selfless things
you could do is take care of yourself and doing
those morning pages and getting up at exercising and getting
that stuff out and the ability to change your state
at a moment's notice can work wonders. You have to
remind yourself, okay, where am I. First thing you do,
you're gonna laugh. Smile, Yeah, because it smile, because close
your eyes and just smile. Because when you smile, all
the good feelings of smiling actually Yeah, make you realize
it's not so bad.
Speaker 3: It never is, but we build it up in our
heads so it is. Yeah, and to the point where,
like I've had headaches, I can't seem to get out
of my own way. I'm like, what the fuck is
going on?
Speaker 1: Once?
Speaker 3: You might doing this? And I am the one who
talks about find the better feeling thought because I do
believe that. It's just that when there are no better
I'm out of the good feeling thoughts at the moment.
Speaker 1: So I know, right, So that's where the step two
comes to store. After you've smiled. Also, folks trying to
make a habit of looking in the mirror five times
a day for one minute each time and smiling. I'm
not joking. Do that for Do that for a week
and see how you see how your week turns out? Okay,
number two. The other thing too, that's this is this
is important. Once you start smiling, when you're in those moments,
think about everything you're grateful for. Anxiety cannot creep in
when you're thinking of gratitude. It's been proven. Now it's
hard because the easy thing to do is to smoke
that cigarette.
Speaker 3: Not you.
Speaker 1: People in general, the easy thing to do is to
reach for the refrigerator. The easy thing to do is
to punch a wall. The easy thing to do is yell,
take a deep breath. What am I grateful?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Because it does for that moment, Then why how many
times I want to tell off bosses that I've erased
the emails?
Speaker 3: See? This is the thing is like, I did I
get the Lincoln letter thing? I get that I had
the the the uh chuckle, I had to linker the
Lincoln letter done to me. Oh yeah, you told about
the girl. The girl, Yeah, yeah that it told me
she wrote a really long letter. And and I thought
that was at the time. I remember I was young.
I was in my you're impressed by that. I thought,
I go, wow, that's an emotionally time I should do
something like that.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, well here, so here's but
here's where the gratitude. Here's the trick with the gratitude thing.
And Andrew Huberman talked about this. Okay, a lot of
people will will pretend they're grateful for stuff. Yeah, I'm grateful,
I'm alive, I'm great. You can't believe, Well, here's how
you believe it. Think of all the times somebody's been
grateful to you, and you remember them saying thank you, like, hey,
thank you for helping me out with that, and then
another time, and for one minute a day, just think
of all the times, or even in those moments of
stress where you you take a deep breath, you smile,
you think of all the things you're grateful for. Then
think of all the time somebody else was grateful to
you felt like, oh, Bill, thank you. I really needed that.
Thank you. I didn't know that you know I needed
help and you were there for me. Thank you. Or
hey man, thanks for picking up that, uh, the dry
cleaning for me. I appreciate it, any little act of gratitude.
I had somebody the other day say something to me,
hey man, that's just what I needed, just the right time.
You was perfect timing. Thank you. And I keep a
journal of all those times people have thanked me because
and you go yeah every day. So I remind myself
not to forget about that feeling, because when you reach
that's how you retrain your mind. You can't lie to yourself.
If you feel good, if somebody's grateful to you, feel good,
you can't fake that. You can fake I'm grateful that
I'm alive.
Speaker 3: That's that, that's that feeling. You're right, Bill's what I'm grateful.
So what.
Speaker 1: Nineteen penalties Ted accepted barely got out. I mean you
can understaying like I'm being facetious, but you could understand,
like how you could trick yourself into thinking you're thankful
but you not. But when you think about all the
times people but grateful to you, Jimmy times on this show,
I have quoted Spack, something you said to me years ago. Yeah,
and one of my favorite lines ever. If you want
to do something, you will, and if you don't want
to do something, you will find a reason not to
or an excuse. And I have applied that logic so
many effing times over the last fifteen years that it's like, hey, Dan,
if you really wanted to do this, yeah, you do it,
or you'll find a way out. And you were talking
about a guy that we worked with who just was
like slacking off because he doesn't want to That's why
I don't want to do it. If you want to
do something like and then you used a friend of ours,
there's an example. He wanted to be a rock star.
Guess what He went out and did it. He's touring
the country right now. Why because he wanted to this. Guys,
you want to be a PD. I'm like, yeah, I'm
billy up with it. I believe I wrote that.
Speaker 3: Down, Like, you know, if I could say that for myself,
because I know there are things I know, see here's
the bad. What I would the root of what I'm
trying to say is that I'm aware of things that
are holding me back, and yet I can't seem to
figure out how to get out of my own way
a little bit. And that's frustrating. And some other things
are frustrating. And I think that, and I know that.
I to your point of belief, right, I always say
a belief is just a thought you think over and
over and over again. Well, if you and so, what
you're saying is be grateful, you'll retrain your mind. It's
a thought you think over and over again. You really will.
You are speaking absolute wisdom. But I think that, Uh,
there's a sometimes though, reeled down your core belief as well.
It's not going to work or I do.
Speaker 1: And so that's when the gratitude practice comes, right, because
you can fool yourself.
Speaker 3: You've got to you got to get rid of that
in order for anything to work, because if you don't,
it becomes that. And uh, there was something else I
wanted to bring up about this, and I can't remember
right now, but it'll come to me as the p
goes on. But I, uh, no, I think that that
that is all very true. And I feel a little
bit like a hypocrite because I say all these things
and I believe them. But sometimes when it comes down
to your own practice, and I think that that's the
real practice in life, you know, it's the real practice.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to get all Christian Yanya, Yeah,
but Christianity. The idea is if if you're not familiar
with this, Jesus Christ died to save you of all
your sins, past, present, and future. You could accepted or
a rejective, okay, if you accept it. There have been
many people who have said, listen, on my best day.
If God judged me on my best nanosecond of my
life to get to heaven, I'd be damned. In other words,
you're never always going to get it right. You could
only just get better. Okay, I'm talking about from a practice, Stantley,
I'm not talking about a salvational standpoint that through christ I'm
talking about just in general, like we don't all believe
one you know what we think we believe, right, there's
always out in our heads we're everything. Well, there's always
mistakes with everything. You could always do something better, you
could always think more clearly, you could always make a
better effort. Right, So you're never going to get it
one hundred percent, right, So don't beat yourself up when
you get it wrong.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I but just make the effort. No. I
think what you're saying is, see this is where like
you and I are have very similar thought patterns, we
just have different different views of it, different heads.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's nice Jesus yours, but we're just trying
to kill us.
Speaker 3: Well okay, but but I agree with you that you
do need to have retrain your mind think these things.
And you know, in your own life, when shit's going better,
it's like everything's going great, Hey, you can do it. Whatever.
Speaker 1: So I was reading something today and one of my
devotionals and I'll stop. Yeah, and yes, this is a
Christian perspective, but people say, you know, well, prayer. I
mean it's the laziest thing you can do. You can
do it right from your cash. No, that's the battle.
That's the battle. Prayer, that's the battle. Because guess what,
anybody can do it, So why not do it? Why
not ask? In my case, Jesus, why I believe is
the creator of the universe for everything you need. Yeah,
just pray, pray, and just keep praying. Like oh, man,
there's stories about the Wesley Brothers the Wesleyan Church. They
prayed for like three four hours before they started their
day and then John Wesley and said if it weren't
for the three hours of prayer in the morning, I
don't know how I could get through the rest of
my day. I mean, that's that. That that's dedication. Man.
The average pastor prays maybe five minutes a day. That's ridiculous.
These are pastors. You want to pray, you want to pray.
It's it's a it's a hotline to God.
Speaker 3: Do it. And I think that the hotline is up
of my Bible down there. No, I would I would say,
like like all the things that you're saying, when I
almost feel like we are we have the same abilities
as Jesus. We just don't know where they are, you
know what I mean? We do we have that same
pure positive light, that pure everything is there and it's
it's all for you to have. And I think like
it can be prayer, it could be meditation, it could
be daydreaming. Daydream what you want and then just stay
focused on that and it'll work out. All right. Well,
we'll take a moment. Jerry Jones is melting down on us,
a can Oh did you hear this?
Speaker 1: I heard, yeah, two days ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't heard the whole thing. I thought it'd
be kind of fun to hear it because you and
I have we have worked in radio.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so I thought, I'm surprised that it has
taken an owner of any sport this long to say this, yeah,
because you know they're always thinking it.
Speaker 3: Let's see if I got the right Oh, okay, I
think I have the right clip.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
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Speaker 1: Oh, this is Franky Valley.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bob Gaudier wrote the song, but Frankie Valley singing.
It's about Frankie and I'll lose it under. Did you
ever see Jersey Boys? You ever go see the Ah?
Speaker 3: Yes I did. I've seen it like.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if this is a different It doesn't look
like frank Valley. But anyway, Oh, there there he is.
There's frank Oh okay, yeah, so it's a different guy.
Say there's Frank.
Speaker 1: Okay the maybe it was Bob Gaudio.
Speaker 3: Oh, but here's Frankie saying now yeah, so uh well,
I don't know. I mean I don't know either. I
t ask to the questions, but all this will tie together.
But I was remembering back because Uh, I was talking
about just you know, frustration, anger and all this stuff.
And something came up and somebody said to me something
and I reminded me of when you and I work together.
I would yell at people, but bosses, I know, the bosses.
Speaker 1: Who the fuck does it like?
Speaker 3: I had no respect for this one person in particular,
and lovely, I'm sure lovely right, but I was just annoyed.
And I remember getting into an argument with this person.
I just and the problem was, like I would always say,
and I'm sure it we said in everybody. I probably
came even in a stern book or something, but radio
tracks the C student and I'm not sure exactly why,
because I would say, like, without trying hard, I was
probably a B student, but I didn't do well in
school because I.
Speaker 1: Didn't you're bored.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I fucked around, I did what I wanted, but
I had decent SAT scores. I had that kind of stuff.
But it was just like the logical shit just made
no sense. And I remember this person, uh wanting to
see me in their office. Closed the door, and it
was over a voicemail that was left. And if anybody
ever heard this voicemail wasn't left by me, but it
was it was reflective upon me. So I get pulled in.
There's reflective upon me. This is how my life goes.
So I remember sitting there and I'm already annoyed because
this is a giant, fucking waste of my time, and
I'm annoyed at many people in this sit in this scenario. Uh.
And so I'm told, well, you know, if if somebody else,
I mean, I don't know what's going to happen when
other people hear this. I mean, anyone above me, here's this,
I don't know what's going to happen. So basically you're
threatening me in my mind. So now I sit there
and I go, okay. They go, well, I must be
you know, And if any I mean they hear that,
if they hear that, if they, if they, if they,
if they, So in my mind.
Speaker 1: Be a shame if somebody were to hear this voicemail.
Bill Moran, I'm just saying, okay, So in my mind,
if someone were to happen to walk by the office
while I played it well, or if I happened to.
Speaker 3: Hear I say to this person to the third floor,
I say to this person, how could you do your job?
It sounds.
Speaker 1: It sounds absolutely awful.
Speaker 3: What what do you mean? I go, I don't know
how you do it? How do you do it? Where
you have like people could just hack it to your
voicemail and listen to your voicemails. And the person goes, what,
I go, Well, you're saying, you're saying that if anybody
were to hear this, anybody above you were to hear this,
I go, unless you're playing it for them, I don't
know how that's happening. I go. So the only other
logical answer is they can hack into your voice. And
I'm saying this right to this person's face, like right
to them, and they're trying to threaten me, but they
don't really have the balls to threaten me. It's this
passive keep you under my thumb, and I don't fucking
roll with that shit at all. Either deal straight or
or or don't deal is my thing? Fucking deal or don't.
Speaker 1: So, not realizing they're emasculating themselves well as they're talking
to you by doing that so right, which removes any
whatever shred of respect you had for this person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's no, you were right limitated when you were
saying Bill, Mr.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this person. So I say, so finally I go, look,
I go here, here's the thing, here's my key, fub
I go I quit. And they're like what I said.
This is You've got me to a point where you're
giving me no out right. It's either like, what what's
the You're You're coming right up to the cliff. So
I'm just gonna push us over the cliff. Fine, I'll quit,
I'm fired whatever. I don't care. This is this is
ridiculous that I said. And I just feel really bad
that every voicemail you have gets heard by everybody apparently
in the building, and that would really suck. I don't
know how you are able to conduct business and do
your job, but that's okay. And the person was like oh,
and I'm like, yeah, but you can't. Why don't you
just come out and say, hey, this kind of shit
I don't appreciate and I'd like your help in making
it go away way different. Yeah, then if somebody here
is like, okay, you lost me at the um. You know,
you lost me at them. But there are those people
that and we played it last night. I don't know
if you heard Fireman.
Speaker 1: Ed Yeah he was a Dolphins fan by the way,
he is, he was, he was he left the Jets
for a while.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, because he wasn't liking the way things
are going.
Speaker 1: But the butt fumble game is what really? Yes, yes, which,
by the way, I watched your House on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's right. But do you remember this one?
This is Fireman d I think right here from yesterday.
Speaker 2: I can get a lot of emails and texts from
fans about the jet experience in the stadium with the
big screens last night in particular, although on the Denver
game last night in particular, we scored a touchdown and normally,
as a tradition, so we'll always put on a screen, me,
Scott and Jetman to put on a screen to do
a celebrity and get the crowd going, which is a
staple in Jet life stadium. Also on a defense and end,
which is the most important, normally they will put us
on the screen to get the crowd going.
Speaker 1: It gives it more of a widespread.
Speaker 2: Experience for the fans to see and we can get
the defensive chance going. But something's going on in the
Jet production team over each stadium. I don't know exactly
what's going on, but they're phasing us out and i'd
like to know. If somebody knows anything, please let me know,
because it's evident that it's happening and it needs to
stop because we need home field advantage.
Speaker 1: So ed Ed decided to stop watching the Jets. Not
going to get just for you. Now, the Jets have
still been bad. I mean, they haven't gotten better, They've
only gotten worse over the years, or maintained their mediocrity
at best. He decides he's gonna come back for no
reason other than he stopped being fireman head.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: People didn't realize that they're next to Firemanet on the subway,
that you're not firemant because you take the helmet off.
Nobody really knows who the heck you are.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It's like when Nick Wright lost a bet with the
Buffalo Bills. He says, I will be doused in ketchup
and mustard, much like Pinto ron So his wife and daughter,
you know, helped him fulfill his end of the bet
and they squirted him in a Bill's jersey and a
hat with ketchup and mustard, and the guy who does
that pinto ron Ken Johnson, good guy Bill's faan goes
to every game. He got offended that they didn't call
him and ask him what his U friendy tips on
how to get scort do with ketchup and mustard. Okay,
this is my thing called fan monsters.
Speaker 3: They're monsters right now. Maybe this isn't exactly. Yes, we
used to call creating the monster.
Speaker 1: I love I love Ken, He's fantastic. But this is
what happens when you get carried away with your own persona.
Speaker 3: Yes, and Fireman D right there? What's going on? Yeah,
it's hey, we're not on the screens. They're conspiring against us.
We're not going to get a home field advance. I
am the reason why.
Speaker 1: It's like, by the way, I love as a as
a Bills fan, I love the whole firemanead act. Yeah,
I love the j E T. I love when the
crowd does that. I love it's. I love when every
fan base has their own little thing.
Speaker 3: But the thing is like, you can't take yourself too seriously,
and you start taking yourself too seriously. I mean, we
had a friend who told us they're not a celebrity.
Speaker 1: But I'm not a celebrity. I'm like any regular sort of.
Speaker 3: Now here's a guy who is a celebrity but still
I think gets a little full of himself, sort of
pulls that same thing. Now you're talking, yes, Jerry Jones. Yeah,
Jerry goes on a station. I believe it's an Odyssey
radio station in Dallas one D five to three. The fan,
the fan, and here is Jerry Jones taking some uh
tough I guess tough questions. I don't know. It's Shannon RJ.
And well, listen, I picked this up. This is about
fourteen minutes into a twenty two or twenty three minute which.
Speaker 1: By the way, is a long time for an interview
with an owner. Yes, usually it's like nine minutes.
Speaker 5: Okay, So Jerry nineteen seventy a little different from this
past off season and building the team we're talking about today,
which there was a lot of criticism that you guys
didn't add, didn't spend, and don't add and don't spend
and are not aggressive enough with some of the problems
that are still haunting the Cowboys today. That we see
playing on the field. That's the point of talking about
the off season.
Speaker 4: Oh oh, I remember those criticisms very well. Okay, so what.
Speaker 1: Are they playing out to be accurate?
Speaker 4: What's your point? What's your point?
Speaker 3: My point is it seems like, let me tell.
Speaker 4: You what I'll do. Let me tell you what I'll
do better. I will let us sit down and look
at the decisions we've made over the last several years. Okay,
I'll look at it now. If you think I'm interested
in phone call with you over a radio and sitting
here and throwing all the good out with the dishwater,
you have got to be smoking something over there this morning.
I'm not, and I really don't, and I don't even
want our listeners to listen to me, uh, to talk
about this is not your job. Your job is to
let me go over all the reasons that I did
something and I'm sorry that I did it. That's not
your job.
Speaker 3: Well, my job is to ask my job, or.
Speaker 4: I'll get another I'll get somebody else to ask these questions.
Speaker 5: Man, Oh, Jerry, we're just we're trying to figure out
why the team.
Speaker 3: I would have hung up bottom right there. I know
you were doing that goin, all right, Jake, see you
find somebody else to ask these questions, you fucking old
fuck that, which isn't the right thing to do. And
I would know it wasn't, and I would feel bad
because there would be revenue tied to this. I'm sure
that you.
Speaker 1: Would have called. You would have been called in that
same office where that voicemail was left that they could
hack into. Billy, What am I supposed to say? If
someone upstairs would have heard this on ESPN or ESPN
Two or ESPN News or ESPN Classic, by now, yeah,
I mean yeah, I could totally see that. And by
the way, Shannon Sharp, you're Shannon Sharp. So if you've
noticed anything about the Cowboys, Jerry Jones has a lot
of influence over the media a lot well.
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones is the only owner. Everybody talks to the
head coach, all the media. Every other team is the
head coach, the Cowboys. The Cowboys. It's Jerry first.
Speaker 1: Jerry has created this. Jerry Jones, the owner slash general
manager as he calls himself, which he is, has been
chasing the ghost of Jerry Jones, the general manager that
won Super Bowls with the Cowboys. But that ghost was
created inadvertently by Jimmy Johnson. And he's been trying to
prove that he knows football and he that he could
do the same thing that Jimmy Johnson was able to do,
and he has it now as far as the Cowboys go.
If you notice Tony Romo and at one point Jason
Wit and now Marcus Spears is on ESPN on first
take all these and Sean what's his name, the X
head coach is on NBC the Sunday Night Football right there, Yes,
Jason Garrett, excuse me, Jason Garrett. They're all ex Cowboys.
Jerry's got a lot of influence because these guys can't
get jobs anywhere else. Right now, Tony RM's done a
hell of a job. The rest of them are kind
of Marcus Spears is sitting there on first take and
he's quietly nodding his head like he doesn't want to
admit the cherry's wrong. While Shannon Sharp is going off
on Jerry about this, and he says that this is
a man's livelihood. He's talking about the radio host. This
is a man's livelihood. You're gonna take that from him
because you can't answer a few questions that they are
honest questions about your team. Marcus Spears is like, like,
I can't I can't admit the chair because I'll lose
my job too. And I played for the Cowboys because
he's a pussy too, and ot is I can't stand.
But I don't care for Marcus Spears either. I think
his takes suck. But the point is, though, is that
all these guys, Jerry holds a lot of rings, and
he's finally admitting what we've all known. And he I
am the master. I am the master of this NFL universe,
and you will bow down to me. I control everything.
And he finally came out. He just turned eighty four.
His birthday he was eighty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's in his eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who knows how many marbles he has left? Well,
this is just the real Jerry. This is the way
Jerry's always been. He's not losing it.
Speaker 3: This is Jerry. Oh, people think he's losing it, but
you're okay, he might say.
Speaker 1: I mean there was a story about like the year
that Manzel was drafted by the Browns. Yeah, that his
son had to hide the draft card from him because
he was gonna write Johnny Manziel in the draft card,
so they hit the card out of I mean, Jerry
is he's out of control.
Speaker 3: Here here's the rest of kidding. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 4: You're not going to figure out it's what the team
is doing right or wrong. If you are are any
five or ten like you, you need to come to
this meeting I'm going to today. There are thirty two teams.
Here are your geniuses. Jerry, you don't really think you're
gonna sit there with a microphone and tell me all
of the things that I've done wrong and without going
over the rights. Now listen, we both know we're talking
to a lot of great fans and a lot of
great listeners. And I am very sorry for what happened
out there Sunday. I'm sick about what happened Sunday. Now
I'm not talking to these ya who's on the under
this phone. I'm talking to you, the fans that are
listening this morning.
Speaker 1: What did he say the.
Speaker 6: Phone?
Speaker 3: Holy shit?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And we can spend a lot of time going over
zigging and zaggy. One of the stupidest things I've ever
done that anybody has ever analyzed is my the Cowboys.
It was an idiot that did that. So idiot things
can turn into good decisions. Okay, smart things can turn
into bad decisions. What one. You don't really know whether
it's going to be good or not.
Speaker 1: I see what he's saying.
Speaker 4: Okay at the time, so let's let's just go ahead.
I'm trying to answer you questions. Man, you want, you
want some conversation this morning. You're getting that.
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones here on the fan, Jerry worried about fan
apathy setting in.
Speaker 3: Fuck him.
Speaker 1: I am the general manager of the Dallas Campbell. I
mean he's a he's a brilliant businessman.
Speaker 3: No ship he is he he, I mean he he.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about a guy who, like you know,
you mentioned yourself, like being the kind of the uh
not a rebel, but someone who does beat marches of
their own drum beat Jerry Jones in the early nineties,
you know, the NFL is regularly by Coca Cola. He said,
screw that, we're selling pepsi. The NFL was outfitted by
Wilson and Champion. Go, screw that we're being outfitted by
by Nike. And guess what the league followed through Like
he's he's he's a brilliant, brilliant business guy. He's just
his football decisions have been, you.
Speaker 3: Know, not bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys have always been in it. They
just haven't won a Super Bowl. They have a gutten
back to the NFC Championship game. Because he only knows
so much, he could only do so and he's hired
just not I want to say weak men, because I
wouldn't call Wade Phillips a weak man. I wouldn't. But
he just hires Gott he could do better. Like the
next move is like, you know what's gonna happen next year,
There's gonna be three teams in the NFC East who
are gonna probably hire a new head coach. I think
Brian Davill might be out too, which would be great
for Buffalo. He and Sean McDermott reconcile. But Bill Belichick,
Bill Belichick, he does. Bill Belichick has to be like
just inching to get back into football. And Philadelphi's gonna
hire if Dallas doesn't. Okay, that's Jerry's only way. Everything's
already set for Bill. All he's gotta do is just
walk in the door, change the philosophy. Get Dak Prescott
to play the quarterback position better and they're gonna win
the suit. Same thing with Philly. Shalen Hurts is a
sharp dude. They have a great roster.
Speaker 3: Siriani is a moron, by.
Speaker 1: The way, I approaching Taco County, and so is he.
I know people who know Syrian, he's always he's like
baby Gronk. Okay, he's baby Gronk. Well the difference as Gronk.
You could be Gronk the play foot.
Speaker 3: People that know him that would call into the I
could try or come on the podcast. They're all his.
Speaker 1: Boys though, I mean they're all like but they I
mean they're there.
Speaker 3: You guys were friends with him. Yeah, but yeah, I
could try. But yeah, I mean they would. It would
be fun to know. Like the yelling at the fans
thing was a bit, then the.
Speaker 1: Shaving the head, bringing the kids to the postgame press coffee,
and then the next day apologizing yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, but that was a brilliant move with the kids
to keep all the questions away. It was like, I
was like, oh my god, talk about using your kids
as a pawn. That was amazing. But Jerry, now see,
the thing is like maybe I would have wanted to
hang up on Jerry at that one point, but then
when he would say the yahoos at the others, I
would have fucking lost it laughing. Well, you know, he
would have found that so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: In your old partner too, I.
Speaker 3: Would have found that funny, and and had I hung
up on him, it would have ruined it. It would
have ruined it because I might have said, Jerry, I'm
so close to hanging up, and maybe that would have
taken it on. But when he said the yahoo's at
the end of this phone, I'm talking to you the listener,
I'm like, God, that would make me laugh so hard.
Speaker 1: By the way, can I say this too, It's just
for radio perspective. That's the difference between real radio hosts
like you and our friend Tommy and guys like who
do sports for Olympics, because the sports guys reacted the
way that guy did, just like what do I say?
Speaker 3: What do I do?
Speaker 1: Because they only think in terms of in the presence
of sports, right, They only think of that. They're not
thinking in radio. They're thinking of sports. In radio, you're
thinking about entertainment, right, And that's where you would go
jump in and make fun of Jerry Jones and making
a great radio segment. These guys are thinking in terms
of like, uh, sports said, oh Am, I gonna lose
my job.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have given a crap, no, no, you.
Speaker 7: You would have made it HILARI. Well we maybe you'd
have people calling you up right now. I go, hey,
one job, maybe maybe. But I also would say, I
don't know what revenues tied. I know, like, well, there's
a lot.
Speaker 3: Drew Bledzoe used to come on the radio when he
played for Buffalo. It was the most listened to segment
and they put a commercial in between and on us
and it was like, I'll never forget once when he
let out a yawn, he was like everybody in the
room was didn't know what to do, and I just
fucking lost it. I'm laughing so hard at the microphone.
I goes like, hey, Drew.
Speaker 1: Go get yourself some coffee.
Speaker 3: You out here, don't say you oh, which all made
it funny. But I think I know when there's a
lot of money and who knows what kind of pressures
on these guys, and it's Jerry and.
Speaker 1: But he he's think at that moment, you wouldn't have cared. No, well,
because those guys are like, they're like, they know, hey, listen.
Speaker 3: One thing I feel like I'm not as much much
now as I was on the radio is present in
the moment. And I say that because there's so many
things with the podcast that you're doing, where all you
had to do there was just be in the moment
and in the content. Now that's a bad excuse for me.
But you know, like tonight, Jameson and their basketball tryouts
are like a couple weeks away, but they have workouts
on Thursday night with the team, so I can't get
them over there. So I got an uber, so I'm
running in and out of the studio to make that happen.
And I'm like, so you're not as present where I
was always very present there because we were, you know,
in that room. I didn't have my kids, I didn't
have anybody around, And you're right, I would have paid attention.
I would have said. I would have been like, god, damn,
I want to hang up on you so badly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you and tell me would have made it a riot.
Sports guys, I don't think have the presence of mind
to do that. That's what I mean no, I've listened
to a ton of sports radio. Believe me, it's gotten
so bad over the years because now it's just like
it's all number one. It's ninety percent NFL, no matter
what city in America. Okay, well maybe in the South
it's it's college football, but it's still football, and then
everything else is just kind of like you know, decoration.
Speaker 3: Dan, he got me a coffee that is so good tonight,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Do a nice job. Yeah, that's good coffee. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,
so I would have had you would have had fun
with that, and then I would have called the office
explain this.
Speaker 3: You explain what you're what was going through your to
That would make me so mad because that's not fair.
We're gonna ask you that's not fair to you're the producer.
Speaker 1: Yes, it would always be like like like Sirianni and
his kids. It was so cowardly the way they would
handle stuff. And when you're dealing with the NFL, there's
a lot of cowards and they have to because there's
so much money at stake.
Speaker 3: Let's go off the topic. What do you mean In radio,
they would pull you in and ask why we did stuff?
Speaker 1: No, there were times when, like, we had a guy
on the show who would say something about a certain
group of people, yes, which he had always said for years.
It was always a joke. You never met anything like it.
We would get pulled in. Don't tell him, but he
needs to stop saying these things about this group of people.
So my wife is one of these people.
Speaker 3: I told him, and he went even. I told him,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: When I worked at Clear Channel, there was this guy
who was the assistant of a boss. The boss didn't
want to do any work, so he'd show up at ten,
leave it eleven thirty, come back at three, leave it four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. It was a great radio game.
Speaker 1: Oh Wham was number one at the time, so you know, hey, whatever, right,
So he had so we had two guys who were
really doing all his work. The news director who worked
like ninety hours a week. He was incredible. And then
this other guy who they had to create a job
for because he almost lost it. And this guy and
I'm sure you know who he is. Anytime something on
the Brad Davies Show would go awry, not because of me,
just something would just happen, like a commercial was played
in the wrong order, or something. Or Brad would go
on for like forty five minutes in a segment, which
is a lot. You should keep it at like fifteen
to twenty. I would get to blame. I listen the producer.
You got to rain him in, Like, why don't you
talk to him? Well, I'm not his boss, I go,
not my boss? Well I am your boss. No you're not, well,
yeah I am you are. Yeah, you need to rain
him in joying to bring so and so involved. You
want me to get him involved? Go, yeah, I'd like
to talk to him. Actually, no, we don't want that.
We don't want that. I would I would have to
like answer or or the morning show at the Morning
show did something? You need to take care of this?
I'm like, what do you want me to say to
these people?
Speaker 3: I would what if we theam Morning show?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would always say awesome people.
Speaker 3: I would always say to people like that. I would go, Okay,
then I want my title changed. I want to be
called the program director of that show because then I've
got a little more because everybody shits on the producer.
But if you make me program director, I'll do whatever
you want. But otherwise I woulish.
Speaker 1: I had the presence of mind to say this.
Speaker 3: See I always, I just I there were people I
wouldn't say that too. You know. I had gotten into
arguments all the way through. I had arguments with people
who are very very high up in radio now because
I thought commercials were boring. So I put a fake
commercial in between about like a brown stripe beer or something,
and they got really mad. And I was like twenty two,
twenty three years old, and they got really mad and
we got into like a screaming match about it. And
you know, but there were some people that I just
wouldn't and I wish I did, because I look back
and I go, they're all pretty much the same. I mean,
there's some people who work in radio that I've worked
for that I think they they're you know, they think
they're mavericks, and I think they shoot themselves in the foot.
But that's fine. These people I had no respect for.
I had none. I didn't like them. I didn't think
they were good thinkers. I didn't think that they were
strategic in any way. I thought they were very generic.
They gave all the shows an umbrella name. They didn't
want anybody to be a star, which is then my ego.
But all that said to me was this is plugging play. Yes,
they don't want anybody to be able to value.
Speaker 1: Well, here's an example. That station you just played the fan.
All their sports radio stations in that umbrella are called
the Fan. How original, Right, there was one, I mean
there was one station you can go to New York
that was called the Fan WFA N, And so they
let's make all the sports stations fans.
Speaker 3: Well, you can make all the all the imaging, all right.
Stand from that aspect. My point is, though, maybe I'm
hiring the personality to be the personality. I want you
to be a big star, because the bigger you are,
the bigger we are. I'll try to help guide and
mold that if I'm the manager of the owner. But
let that be, Let that person go. That's why you
put them there, And otherwise it's like background noise. What
are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: You know? What are we doing?
Speaker 1: There was another story where midday hosts well known who
had been quote laid off, fired, but laid off for
about a year and then brought back out of the
air about twenty years ago. Right, so I get brought in.
He needed two producers corporate made sure they had had
two producers in case one missed something. He said the
other one, well, one day he made fun of the
receptionist out front. Okay, and then the producer and I
got called into the office to talk about how we
were going to handle this situation without letting him know
that he insulted the receptionist. And I'm like, I'm like,
I'm a charge. I'm a charger of protecting the license. Man,
I don't want to take it to him, because that's
what you had to deal with in radio. That's what
you had to deal with.
Speaker 3: Well, it was a bunch of people who were somewhat cowardly,
not wanting to handle confrontation.
Speaker 1: But you said, see, students, Yeah, we're all tough guys.
It's time to be a gangster sometimes.
Speaker 3: I think when you got up into management, Like I
think the people that we worked for, this one person
in particular that had the voicemail issue, I think that
person probably did well in school. I think they were
probably they were book smart. Yes, they just were not
a thinker. No, they couldn't think. And that was the
problem I had with stuff. But this segment brought to
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take a little listen to that. And then Danny said
to me, what song defines the decade? And I'm not
sure make sure that I could ever really find one
because there were so many different genres of music. But
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Speaker 1: Like I don't obsessive and just been got.
Speaker 8: If you comes up now, I'm aggressive, just been got
close enough. I'm mistressing in accessing the present, the issue
because every moment going in on miss a question and
you for the answer.
Speaker 1: It's home closed now.
Speaker 3: The second verse of the song, they ever went to
eighties titles.
Speaker 6: Right, no getting taking.
Speaker 8: But I can't control myself. I'm my calling now, I'm
playing stree.
Speaker 1: Someone doubt me.
Speaker 8: It's not pet for me to build. That's why you
are making this song. I can't take to see you
don't feel out, it's not health.
Speaker 1: The second verse supposed to have all eighties song titles,
and I never realized that.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think anybody did there. It is nineties.
Speaker 6: Yet losing time.
Speaker 3: Some rescue me.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I think like at one point she says
take on me, which is yeah, she's a billionaires she really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, business is ofttimes a wow. Yeah, Rihanna forgetting.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how's Chris Brown doing?
Speaker 3: This? Is awful? It was awful like that that that,
to me is awful. And that's that's where people think,
like when you start yelling and stuff, that it's gonna go.
I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Think we're That's the first thing I think of to
this day is Chris Brown. That intaid. I don't think
about the super Bowl performance two years ago. No, I
don't think about her songs. I think about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that transcended everything, right.
Speaker 1: I also think she's a devil worshiper. Two different stories
on that, but we don't have to go there. Oh yeah,
why why do you? Why do you believe the things
you read? No, there's there's theories that I know. There's
a lot of devil symbolism in her, in her music
and like her performances on stage, her attire. Yeah, I
don't know if I buy this. I'm saying it's.
Speaker 3: Out there, Okay, I agree.
Speaker 1: Beyonce to jay Z the weekend.
Speaker 3: I've come to believe that whatever you look for, you'll
find you know what I mean. I don't mean that
to be shitty. I just say I think if we
look for it, we can find it. I think none
of this really has any meaning unless we apply meaning
to it. I've been giving myself ulcers ladies, so I
believe me. I know that thing and it and you know,
I don't know. I I think I've gotten. I wasn't
gonna say this, but uh, depression, I never what I was.
This is where I was going earlier and I didn't
get to the point. But when my dad would lose
his shit, right, and then you know, I would lose
my ship and stuff, and you just kind of like,
you're right, it built up, built up, and you let
it go. And I that stuff isn't acceptable today. But
at the same time, in terms of a health perspective,
I think we're much more in tune with our thoughts
and our process and what that really is happening here,
and that that's not a healthy way to be because
you really kind of it's it's damaging. I mean, you
talked to certain people in my life, and the word
violent and abusive we'll be brought up often. Yeah, and
so not me, Yeah, not referring to me, well, maybe
referring to me.
Speaker 1: It is just multiple people referring to those those other
people that you've described as violent.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, So but I would say, like you wonder
if it was like a little bit of depression and
they just freaking lost their shit and that was the
way I dealt with it, and they did not, because
I don't like the other night, and I've never had
this feeling ever in my life. I was just I
had just fucking had I didn't want to do anything.
I didn't want to do anything I laid on the
couch and I watched a dumb Netflix movie with Laura
Dern and she's an author and she winds up banging
some buddies boyfriend. But that person was banging something. I
don't know, but anyway, I watched that whole thing and
then I'm like, I gotta go to bed. I didn't
even brush my I normally floss, brush my teeth. I
do nasal irrigation before I go. But I have a
whole routine. It's a process, folks, it's a whole process.
I got fuck it. I'm just going to bed, and
I go, is that depression? And I said that to
the lady I see, she goes, yeah, that's this kind
of depression. You just don't feel like doing anything. Now.
I got up the next day. I brushed my teeth,
I worked out, I did I did things. I'm not there,
but I go, yeah, But I guess it's better than
screaming and throwing something across the room, screaming fuck this ship.
Speaker 1: As somebody who sun your goddamn mouth when you talk
to me, As somebody who has dealt with depression, I
would much rather be able to get angry at somebody
else like that to.
Speaker 3: Just see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like that to me is like I like that because
I can't unfortunately, but you you up, everybody else gonna
have to deal with it. Yeah, they're taking the trap,
they're taking the shots. Hey, it's all for my health, right,
you told me to be better for me. Yeah, you
see what I said, get it out with no one.
Speaker 3: But then when I start, yeah see, I know. And
but when you have to leave the room, when I
start doing things like and I go, and then I started,
I try to bottle in and I go. Then I
just it's like you don't feel like you're like exhausted,
and I go, if I had just spewed all this out,
Oh okay, it's a little messy, but I still love you.
Well okay, yeah it'll be fine. But that's that's a
bad way to be, right, And that was the way
I was kind of brought, you know, that was that
was the way stuff was, man.
Speaker 1: And then you think that moment's gon. You think that
that moment right there is gonna last forever, and it doesn't.
But all of a sudden, now you have the reverberations
of it. I like, you know, having dealt with depression,
I explained to people who have never dealt with and
God bless you if you haven't. It's like, uh, you
ever marinate a steak. It's like your mind is marinated
in this, right, and it's the lens you think through
and now everything applies to it and you have to
really get over that hump. And it's like driving a
tricycle over a hill to try to get it off,
and it hurts, it's tough, it's not easy to do.
And if you could do it through like exercise and
prayer and those things, do it don't have to go
because if you go to medication, all it's gonna do
is really mask the issue and you're gonna feel great.
But then eventually the medication is not gonna work anymore.
So you can either switch to another medication still mask
the problem, or you could deal with the problem.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that. I think that with everything. I
think that's what a dick. I think that when you know,
sometimes I look at people who get high often right,
and shit seems to go so well for them, and
I go, yeah, I finally figured out why. Well, no,
I know, and I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: Like kind of the six pack of twelve packs.
Speaker 3: Oh god, he used to take naps. But the uh.
But some people who some people uh seem to do
really well in life, and you're like, what the hind Yeah,
because they're just there's no resistance in their thinking. They're
not blocking. So we're saying the same things. Depression is
just to your point the lens and it is hard.
And I didn't I don't think I've ever really appreciated
that stuff until the past couple of years, like to
really see life just shift and have to figure stuff out,
and there are days where you're like, fuck it, I
just don't want to do it. I don't want to
get out of bed. I don't want to do anything
that's depression. And I think that sometimes if you get high,
you feel good and you just go about doing your
stuff right, maybe not as well as you should, but
that's it. I think that there are people who will
tell you that LSD is the greatest drug they've ever done.
They have used LSD in studies in psychology, they've used
it for years. I think that it probably does great
breakthroughs for your brain. I think it puts you maybe
in a uphoric state, but you got to learn how
to get there without it. Yes, and that's where the
dependency comes in. And it's the same thing with alcohol.
And that's why I always go when and I've had
people get very upset with me, but I go. Is
alcoholism a disease or is that the medicine covering up
whatever the disease really is? What's really motivating you to
try to escape through alcohol, to make you funnier, to
make you feel better, to make whatever it does for you?
What is the underlying Like.
Speaker 1: I know a guy who is an alcoholic. He's been
a recovery for he's but sober for two years. And
I know for a fact that it wasn't the that
he loved to drink. Yeah, drinking was just his way
of covering something else up sure, because he was like,
I don't even like this stuff. Yeah, well, he didn't
really enjoy drinking, but he did it because he felt
he could get away with something. It was masking a
bigger problem. Once again, he hasn't had the desire to
drink in two years because the desire was never to drink,
It was to take care of something else that he
had hid inside him.
Speaker 3: I love drinking. I haven't had a drink in about
two two and a half weeks now, not for any reason,
just havn't It wasn't like I'm setting out to do
this goal. I know, just sixteen days. Yeah, it has
a coin. Hasn't been that at all. But I would
say I do like drinking. I love the taste of
a guinness and I always associate that taste with fun. Yeah, right,
everybody's happy, Yes, and my friends are silly, and I
get dumb stuff, and I know when I've had a
couple and I'm around certain people it goes great. Now,
it can also make me really fixate on things that
are bothering me or something that's missing that I think
shouldn't be missing, and so I'll start taking little jabs.
I mean, I started to say I ruined a relationship.
I did. I I was drunk and I got pissed
at this person and instead of none of my business,
I fucking lit them up. I lit this person. I
practically put them on fire with my mouth, right, I did.
And I don't think they'll ever speak to me again.
And that's okay. I don't blame them. I did call
and apologize.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's shitty. Too, because what does that mean?
Why'd you do it to begin with? If you're sorry?
You know what I'm saying, like, those are the things
that I fucking hate that I know this stuff.
Speaker 1: But I was saying it gave me apology. If you
admit that, then that's half the battle. Yeah, it really is,
because you're like, hey, listen, and I know what you're
gonna think if I, if I were really sorry, I
wouldn't have done that, which is why I'm sorry. Because
I shouldn't do that. I shouldn't think that you're a
wonderful person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that way, i'd like to think I'm not that.
Speaker 1: If they don't want to forgive you, okay, well that's you.
You've done your part.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If they don't want to forgive you, that's that's on them.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: See, you know how I say look for patterns. Oh yeah,
I look for a lot of I've been accused of things.
I've been accused of called the tells, Billy, the tells, Yes, okay,
the tells, the tells. I've been accused of things. Some
things there's no pattern. So right, that's why I always
scratch my head and go, how the fuck what you
called me a hot head. Yeah, I got a pattern.
I got a pattern, right, you call me, you know,
a bit abrasive or whatever. I don't know, find any
other fancy way of saying that. I'm yeah, okay, that's all.
What song do you describes the.
Speaker 1: Well, I want you to think about this. Yeah, if
there's one song that describes the eighties, everybody's look at
the situation in life right now. Well, the eighties kind
of set everything in motion, right, Like we have the Internet. Well,
where did that come from? Well, it was developed and
came out to us in the nineties. It developed in
the eighties, like computers and all this stuff. Bill Gates
and Steve Jobs. We had computers, we had an Apple
laugh right, right, and all this stuff came from these
these two gentlemen. Really and but the song, but they
were both fighting over who was gonna be the big
software king, right Yeah. The song Everybody Wants to Rule
World pretty much sums it up. You got these tech
guys going at it. You also had the Russians Soviets
infiltrating college campuses and sending in educating college professors to
you know, take a more Marxist view of things. They said,
we're gonna win this battle in thirty forty years and
now you're starting to see some of that stuff now.
I always like that song, yeah, because it's such a
great melody. Yeah, they're back on tour. They were back
on tour recently. They released a new record. I thought
they were brothers for years.
Speaker 3: They weren't.
Speaker 1: They're not even related. They look a lot alike in
the video, But I mean that. I mean that's like
subs up the eighties. If you think about like that
movie Wall Street that everybody loved to watch, you know,
greet Is Good, Gordon Gekko, the eighties like something. I
remember my father said, go, dad, would you we were
talking about the fifties. Where's fifties a cool time? It
was a great time.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: S in the sixties weren't so bad, you know, we
had That's when America lost its innocence. Then the seventies
things started to clean up a little bit. I go
about the eighties, he goes, everybody was out for themselves. Yeah,
because everybody was like that Alex Kid on Family Ties.
I go, really, he goes, Oh yeah, that's the eighties
in a nutshell. That dude in this song sums up
the eighties now, not all the eighties.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I think that's a great one. I
would never have thought that, yeah, because I was trying
to think of like I was trying to think of
an off beat song, because don't forget, you had so
many genres at the time.
Speaker 1: You had your eighties cheese, we had the sin hair.
Speaker 3: Their wave, the alternative, right, pop, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul Abdul.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean the eighties, the eighties really set life
in motion. Yeah, permanently.
Speaker 3: All right, So this is the song for the eighties. Now,
I was so little in the seventies and my parents
there was a lot of music and stuff playing. But
I was trying to think, like, what song because you
said to me, what song would sum up the seventies.
Speaker 1: See, I didn't live through the seventies. I lived through
the eighties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was so little. I don't think I
was even fully cognizant of what was happening. But I
always think of Jim Crochey with the seventies. But that's
more early seventies. If you went later on, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, you can't really go Saturday night fever like or
Staying Alive because that was like late seventies disco. It
was like it was like, yeah, seventies got chopped up
pretty good. Some people say, well Stairway to Heaven, but
really that doesn't, like a seven minute song doesn't encapsulate
the entire decade because there's all kinds of different aspects
to the seventies. You had Nixon, you had the end
of Vietnam, you had everything going on in New York
City that was like going under. Disco became a thing.
America was cleaning up after the sixties was such a
turbulent time, but yet a progressive time, a time of change.
So the seventies was kind of like almost like a
settling period. But then you also had like you know,
Jimmy Carter and things going sideways with the Middle East,
which they're always going sideways. So I mean, I don't
know if there really is a song that would encapsulate
the seventies like the eighties, that song nails it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it does. This is from the early secondies,
but I always loved her Carol King is this tapestry
or from the album tapes.
Speaker 1: She's Still Alive? Because you don't hear much about her anymore.
Speaker 3: A ton of money. She's a great song. It would
be so fine. Face. I feel like that almost talks
about now, you know that almost because it doesn't anybody
stay in one place anymore. It's like that Sebastian Man
of scalco bit where you know in the eighties was like, hey,
somebody's coming over. Mom had an extra emon's case.
Speaker 1: We got a cake. That's your company, right, that's your company.
My mother was the same way, that's her company.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, like you know now
it's somebody locks in, the lights go out, everybody hits
the floor.
Speaker 1: You got a sword, Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: I love it's just a funny. It's just a funny
look at society. God song. So what song for you
would sum up the nineties?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 1: So the nineties? Like well, David Lee Roth though he
said the eighties everything smiled, the close smiled, Yes, color smile.
It's a great time to be alive. Now they forget
about aids and all that other stuff. Okay, but the
eighties was like was like a party time, right. The
nineties all of a sudden, like I grew up on
nineties rock. Yeah, but all the songs were pretty much
nine out of ten of them were sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah they were, they were angry, and there was.
Speaker 1: A smells like teen Spirit now smells like Teen Spirit's
most overrated song ever. When I think of the nineties,
I think of this one dance tune, twilight Zone, because
this song came out ninety two and it pretty much
subbed up every party, every dance floor, every event. If
you needed to get people in a room in a
good mood, they'd play this song twilight Zone by uh
oh Unlimited.
Speaker 3: I think Too Unlimited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you listen, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Too Unlimited. Let's see. I think just wait for
the hook, it's coming up. Hang up. Yeah yeah right.
Speaker 1: You heard the s right. You heard it everywhere and
you know it was They weren't even that popular group. No,
this was played every bar everywhere.
Speaker 3: This just took me back to a moment, right, oh god,
a moment, dude. I remember Paradise Alley had an upstairs
at a down they did this bar and I had
a white eyesod knit sweater that was sort of like
almost I don't know you could it was like it
was common, but you was woven in away that you
could almost like see through it, right, And back then
I might have been in much better shape than I
am now, Like I had abs, not flabs, and I
uh so as i'm I remember this, I remember and
I can even remember that I had that on and
there was a girl upstairs and there was a girl downstairs.
Speaker 1: And try to keep them away from each other.
Speaker 3: No, I hadn't done anything with really with the other one.
I was interested in one. I was not interested in dating.
But I would have had a great time with this chicken.
I knew it. And she and I had conversations that
would get really really raunchy. Wow yeah yeah, like well night.
She would just say these things like tell you how
she loved to blow guys. Wow, oh yeah, yeah, I
love to play. And I remember sitting there going, what
am I supposed to do with this information?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: I know what I'm supposed to do, but I know
if I do it, I'm gonna regret it because I'm
never gonna get rid of you. And I just I
could see that. So but she's like, I remember being upstairs.
She just puts her hand underneath the sweater and rubs
down my stomach and she's like what do I have
to do to get this off you? And I'm like
not a whole lot, a whole lot. And I go
like ah, and I think I'd made out with her
and then it went downstairs and I left with some
other chick. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Brilliant. That was the way I lived my whole life
because they had they had the two bars. They had
once upstairs and downstairs too.
Speaker 3: You see, this is like god and it was you
even have sure was this song?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was either that or O P p Opp
was a big one from the nineties too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the other song that like kind of encapsulates the
nineties was Semi charm kind of Life, Semi.
Speaker 3: Charm by I think that's a great song for By.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, they had like one great album Why why
am I planking? Because we used to we used to
do this right ninety eight. They came out with this
record ninety seven and it was because it was again
high school for me and this song kind of like
this is the nineties. Remember, like when the nineties came,
it was like, it's the nineties. That was the big phrase.
It's the nineties, Pepsi, it's the nineties. Yeah, Bill Clinton.
It's the nineties. I mean everything was, it's the nineties.
This song encapsulates the other half.
Speaker 3: I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, no cares about America's on top. We're
number one, A Kademy's great. Yeah, just go through life. Yeah, okay,
I don't like it. I can see that, yeah, because
like all the other songs are like grungy and sad,
and I mean, it encapsulates a certain portion of the nineties, right,
but not for everybody. No, just the rock guys.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this song doesn't Now after that, I
couldn't tell you twenty ten from two thousand and four
from twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. Yeah, I probably well, yeah, because
you get into being an adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, work, and I don't have time for, you know, music.
Even though I worked in radio early songs in the hall,
I couldn't identify a song from twenty sixteen from a
song from two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is too, is we stopped keeping
track of decades after nineteen ninety nine. Now it's the millennium.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's interesting
because it's all blurb.
Speaker 1: Talking about Hey, the twenties, man, I always.
Speaker 3: Going the like when you think back the tens, the teens, twenties, Yeah,
but it is.
Speaker 1: You think of horse and buggies. Well you do, but
it's a weird Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 3: It's a weird thing now because you're right, I think
that everything changes over a decade. Yeah, you know. I
used to say I can tell what decade that person
was their decade because they would hold on to the
style of dress, hold on to the hairstyle.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know Taylor's Bar, which is now back
at East Rochester.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait what, Well, Taylor's. I don't know if it's open,
but Taylor's is back at East Rochester has been there
for a few years, that bar on Monroe Avenue, like
the Cougar Bar. Yeah, So I didn't realize they had
an original location in East Rochester.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they moved to Monroe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're back in East Rochester, but I don't know
if they're open anymore, but they they did move back there,
and so we said, oh, that's the original tailor. It's like,
wait a minute, you mean Taylor's was a place here before.
It was a place on Monroe Avenue. Oh yeah, they
moved back. You didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, yeah, uh you took me back with
that one song.
Speaker 1: I can't twilight Zone Billy, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, that was something.
Speaker 1: But we should have people like email us, like.
Speaker 3: There's some of the songs that sum up the decade
for you? Yeah, well, we bumped with that once in
a while. I think it would be a lot of fun.
I love that.
Speaker 1: Because somebody asked, uh, I think it was a guy,
a sports guy on Twitter asked about what was the
song of the night explains the nineties, and a lot
of people wrote in, and one guy writes replied to me,
and because I suggested twilight Zone, and he said that
one song they played on Saturday night like Lady you
Don't Hurt Me? Yeah, where You're shaking your headby Brothers.
I don't know if that sums up the nineties. I
think it summed up a certain scene, you know, the
single guys see Yeah We're going out?
Speaker 3: You want that to be you mean you?
Speaker 1: That was like every bar the single Guys New York
douche Bags with chains.
Speaker 3: I was always yeah, no, go ahead, I get my okay,
all right, I don't need to do it the gratitude.
We'll take a moment and you know what we'll do next.
We'll get Danny's thoughts on the bills, the who had
a bigger impactful trade in the AFC East in your opinion?
Where do things stand? How does it all go? We'll
get to all that right after this. The holidays are
sneaking up on us. And you know what that means. Relatives,
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American Pie was what ninety nine? Yeah, and that was
where we really started to see milf. And now there's
milf porn, stepmom porn. I mean, there's just that movie.
Speaker 1: Really the set the stakes for a lot of terms,
yeah that we use now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what else? I only remember Milf, but
they're probably the series the rule.
Speaker 1: Of three, oh yeah, meaning every guy will like you
take whatever a guy says he slept with it, multiply
it by three, or take every girl no, or divide
it by three, and then every woman multiply it by
three or something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't pay attention to that stuff. Is she there?
Speaker 2: Is she?
Speaker 8: Give?
Speaker 3: Moms were not attractive. Maybe it was Pine Plains. I
don't know. I don't remember anybody's mom being like like
really hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, when I was growing up.
Speaker 3: Now, well, we grew up in like jerkwater Town. Yeah,
I do you know, have you.
Speaker 1: Ever been to South Buffalo? So so Barstool Sports did this,
this whole thing about Bill's fans. This is before the
Bills got good, this before Josh Allen. It's right around
the time of Rex. And they did this mockumentary. Although
the Bill's Mafia thought it was a documentary was it
was a mockumentary about the Bill's Mafia and Bill's Mafia
moms and Bill's Mafia girls and all this other stuff
and how they behave. And it showed some you know,
Orchard Park and South Buffalo mothers would be the bedazzled
jeans and the tan, the fake tan, their hair all
and really making fun of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But these women actually think that they're they're being their
hot stuff. Yeah, and it's it's like, uh, yeah, no, honey,
they're making fun of you. And but they're all like
what they would consider themselves to be milfy. Yeah, but
they're they're really not. And at least in our parents
decade or time, they didn't even pretend to try to
be hot. They just want to beautiful. They want to
make themselves look nice. Yes, but you would never go
to your free Are your mom's pretty hot? That never
happened when I grew up. No, I didn't have any
moms that were hot. No, it wasn't even thought of.
Like I see the movie American Party, I'm like that.
Speaker 3: When I went to college, I thought that guy's mom
was stunning. She dressed stylishly, not inappropriately, but stylishly. And
his mom still looks great. I saw a picture of
her when I was at the thirty year reunion. I yeah, okay,
what happened to that couch?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: I remember, like, there's a guy I went to school with,
a Fisher named Christian, and he was from my neck
of the woods, hand Gol and his mom was gorgeous,
and his father was twenty years older than her.
Speaker 3: Oh so he must have like she must.
Speaker 1: My father's like nine years older than my mother. Yeah okay,
but but that time was still like after after high
school you were considered an adult then, you know, And
he was on his second marriage. This was my mother's
you know, only, or first marriage. Whereas like with the
Christian and his parents, like his father, like felt like
they were in love and everything, and like she was
gorgeous and I'm like, dude, like, how how how old is?
How old? Hold is? How old is? How old is
my mom? I get this question all the time. How
old is my mom? She's forty?
Speaker 3: Like oh wow, yeah, yeah, she's hot.
Speaker 1: Is it sit? Is that what you're gonna tell me?
Speaker 3: Dad?
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, no, I know, I get it all
the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I was like, that's the first time
I ever saw like a good looking mom. I mean,
I'm sorry, a hot mom.
Speaker 3: It's so terrible because like, no, I remember a good
looking like my friend well put together. I knew my
friend mom, Darren's mom was. I always thought it was attractive,
but I didn't uh yeah.
Speaker 1: But you didn't fantasize or think oh hey, oh.
Speaker 3: No no no, I never thought no, no, Now you're
almost like, hey, man, by the way, we gotta get Kevin.
That lady admitted to the top of the high players
in Minnesota. Yeah, we got to try to reach out
to her again, all right, Dan. The Jets and the
Bills game was I know, it was entertaining. Josh did
Josh stuff, which was great.
Speaker 1: And his team kept shooting Josh in the foot.
Speaker 3: Absolutely loved watching uh Eli and Peyton or Payton and Eli.
Speaker 1: So I missed that.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I wish I could end. They had Bill
Belichick on and uh, Peyton's yelling at the TV, throw
it away, throw it away, throw away, and Belichick's going,
you got to keep him contained.
Speaker 1: You got to keep him contained. Saw that, and then it.
Speaker 9: Comes across and he hits Davis and he and Bill goes,
that's why you gotta keep him contained and Eli and
Eli goes, there was a defensive holding on that.
Speaker 3: They missed a defensive holding on there. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's it is fun to watch them.
And then later on in the show, I saw this
clip too. I thought this was actually more interesting than
the Belichick clip because Belichick and Belichick and and Manning
going back and forth is fascinating because you're watching two
brilliant football minds at work. So that was fascinating. Here's
what's really interesting, Rex Ryan's a dumb ass, and he
pointed out something that was incredibly smart. They're talking about
the thing.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a dumb ass, but go on, well,
let's put it this way. I think he is like
when he analyzes things, I think he's.
Speaker 1: Really actually, yeah, I'll take what I mean. It's like
he's not buttoned up. No, he's not putting up. That's
what I should say. That's a better way to put her.
He knows football, he's just not buttoned up. So it's
it's third down. The Bills have to convert this to
a first down or else they're going to put the
ball back to Aaron Rodgers. And you know how this
is gonna end, because that's how it always ends with
the Bills. And he goes, what do you do here?
Peyton goes, I think you got to put in seventeen's hands.
At Rex is absolutely, he's my favorite player in the NFL.
He says, you've got to put it in seventeen's hands.
You got to get a first down. Who's the only
guy you trust? Well, you know they ran the play, Yeah,
just like we called it. Well, no, the call was
actually supposed to be a hand off the Ty Johnson.
Ty Johnson ran the wrong way, so Shosh ran ran
the play. Yeah, But the point is that Sean McDermott
and Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator, didn't think to put
the ball a number seventeen's hands during that. Now, let's
run to our backup running back. Yeah, I see what
Come on, guys, we know so much we know him
in that game.
Speaker 3: Do we know that to be a fact?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because they said it afterwards, Oh oh they did?
I think yeah, I think. Okay, I think McDermott said
that afterwards.
Speaker 3: See anything, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't that was supposed to be. That was supposed
to be a run to Ty Johnson.
Speaker 3: I was just happy that they got Yeah, me too,
I mean.
Speaker 1: And then Rogers of course throwing Mike Williams under a bus.
I watched that replace twenty six times. Like, no, he
he slipped, yes, but like Rogers wasn't cutting off the
throw he threw an interception. I mean, it happens like
Rogers is trying to you know, he throws his receiver
under a bus.
Speaker 3: So now both these teams in the AFC have improved themselves.
Would that be fair to say Dvante trades of the
Jets and Amari Cooper coming to the Bills. Yes, I
think fiscally speaking, the Bills made out way better because Amari,
I think is only costing them. Maybe, I thought somewhere,
but Greg Connor pool half a million to eight hundred thousands.
We go only right, if you could write, if we
can make that sheep it.
Speaker 1: Is by en that's like one of us even losing
a sock.
Speaker 3: And then I think it's a full thirteen and a half.
What is his salary for Devonte Adam?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they got to pay the whole chunk.
Speaker 3: The whole chunk. But I don't know what that is.
Is a third, I don't know. I don't know how
much it is.
Speaker 1: I just know it's it's a lot. The Bills couldn't
afford it.
Speaker 3: It's millions, and the Bills couldn't afford it one but
with the.
Speaker 1: Cat they couldn't afford it. Right, But they're not destituted.
Speaker 3: Do you think that so in your mind when you
look at this, Because we got AFC East, these are
the two teams that will be vying for the number
one to win the AFC East. Which team made out better?
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna find out, But first guessing, I think
the Bills made out. I do too, because I don't
think Devonte Adams is going to change that much for
the Jets. They've already dug themselves into a hole. Now,
if you went back and watched that game. Rodgers was
not a problem at all. His offensive line was a problem.
His receivers were a problem. But Rogers hold off. His
offense is all short passes and slants, and then when
you have a few nibbles, then he hits you deep,
then he hits the long strike. He was great at that.
Speaker 3: He was great.
Speaker 1: The only think he couldn't do is get out of
Epanessa's way. And the refs like bailed him out on
one of those.
Speaker 3: But well, he even said that that was that was
not a he said, that's not a rough the pass.
Speaker 1: I want to make a point about the refs. A
lot of people want to kill the rest for all
the flags. I'll tell you what the unsportsman like conduct
penalties were bs. That fumble that Rogers was a fumble.
It wasn't that the league call did and said, no,
that's a fumble, or that's not a fumble. That was
a fumble. So the refs sucked in that regard. The
rest of the flags were all legit, the holdings were
all legit, the off sides were all legit. The false
starts so Spencer Brown got for four penalties during the game, right,
he got called for a hold that was legit. He
got called for on sportsman like comic penalty. I think
that was ticky, tacky. I don't think that was real.
And then twice for lining up uncovered at the end
of the line. Well, there's a problem with that. Dawson
Knox didn't line up next to him. That's why Spencer
Brown got called for a penalty that was legit. They
only had six men on the line of scrimmage, Alexon
and in the last pill or the second to last
pills drive same thing. He didn't line up next to
Spencer Brown where he was supposed to. Therefore Brown got
the penalty, But all those other penalties were legit and
the Bills have a lot to clean up there now.
As far as as far as DeVante Adams do, I
think that it's gonna make the Jets better, Yeah, marginally.
I think Amari Cooper is going to be better for
the Bills, way better, because now they have a legitimate
number one. There's no dispute. Yeah, take everybody eats and
throw it out the window. Now you have a number
one receiver. That means Shakira is now the number two option,
not the number one, which means that Coleman is number three,
and Greg Connors and I talked about today. You could
put him in the slot, put him in motion. Now,
all of a sudden, he's gonna get his confidence up
because now he doesn't have to be the man. He
could just be a guy, right, Samuel and Curtis Samuel
and the other dude with the big hair of there,
Hollands Mac Collins. Now they're just okay, we'll call you
if we need you, right, and they could come in
in some spots. There. You got your running backs back,
James Cook. Everybody practiced today, so everybody's pretty much healthy
to go. And now all of a sudden the offense
opens up, and oh yeah, you got two tight ends.
You got Kincaid and Knox, whom you've misused the entire season.
Now it opens them up. There's a if they don't.
Speaker 3: I just think it's more impactful. I really do.
Speaker 1: And I think there's so many possibilities now that you
can run with Amari Cooper being your top guy.
Speaker 3: I think that people who really study the bills thought
that this would be a bit of a dip this
year because of salary cap. Yeah, because of well I
did too. I thought they'd be flat.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would go down, but I think
they would just end up where they usually ended.
Speaker 3: And they had they you know, and and guys who
were injured, Milano's out, these things. Okay, so those types
of things, we thought, yeah, it'd probably be a little
bit of a dip. But what what's a dip? Ten wins, right,
still getting into the playoffs, winning.
Speaker 1: The division, winning the week's division. Yeah, yeah, so you
might lose the first week or the second week of
the playoffs, but.
Speaker 3: Now I feel like they're right back in with I
think God the Texans the thief.
Speaker 1: I think they can be. So here's here's my point
on that, though, all those mistakes that piled up, well,
they were there the week before, and they were there
the week before that. So here's what's gonnappen. They're gonna
play the Titans. The Titans are terrible, right, they can't score.
They could play defense a little bit unless they face
a good quarterback. Well, Jordan Love like dice them up
pretty good a couple of weeks ago. They will Evis
is terrible. They'll probably steam roll the Titans. Then they
go on this, Right, they could beat Seattle I think
they're gonna I think Seattle's I think they're their goose
is cooked. I think they're gonna go on this win
streak and then they're gonna face Kansas City, and usually
they beat Kansas City at home, or they beat Kansas
City period in the regular season, get a week off,
then they got Monday Night football against San Francisco. They
could run the table the rest of the season, but
I think their problems will still be there when they
finally face real competition, which will be in the playoffs.
They're not going to iron these issues out, all these
little tiki tag files and all that stuff that they
got to clean up. Maybe, but all those issues are
still going to be there, and hopefully Amari Cooper can
lift that ship. The thing is, though, over the years,
the Bills have made trades in season for wide receivers,
and they didn't do a ton like Kelvin Benjamin didn't
really add much in eighteen. When they added Nahim Heims
a couple of years ago. He was a great kick
returner punt returner, but they never utilized him in the offense,
which is what he was so good at. Why it
just takes a while for him to learn the offense. Well,
you don't had a while. Like Amari Cooper's gonna be
a free agent at the end of this season, and
he gets more separation than any receiver in the NFL.
And he just got done playing with the worst quarterback
in the NFL. He wasn't being used. So he just
tell the Mario what to do in every play, just
running out, just go deep, just do don't over complicated
for him. Just let him go and do his thing.
And I think they'll be okay. But when we get
to January, beware, they're gonna face real competition again. You're
gonna face the Texans, maybe the Bengals, probably the Ravens
and the Chiefs, real good teams. Your best competition, you know,
is still gonna be around. Like I think the best,
the worst is over the schedule. It could come back
to bite him. Now the opposite is true. If the
opposite is true, then you got real problems. If they
start like losing to like teams like Tennessee or even
do the Chiefs at home, then you're gonna okay. Then
we gotta recalibrate our expectations completely.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it improves it on paper. Oh, it
do absolutely, it's.
Speaker 1: The best move they could have made. Now Here's the thing.
I don't know, And like these trades like take weeks too.
They don't just like snap a finger make a track. Debota.
Adams has been like on the trade block for about
a month now, and I think Cooper too. And I
think Brandon Bean was monitoring that situation to try to
figure out, Okay, if the Jets do this, are we
gonna do this or should we just do this? Anyway?
We'll never know. But if Adams going to the Jets
catapultan Cooper, then you got to say that the Adams
deal was the more influential one.
Speaker 3: Oh influential, But I think impactful will be the will
be the.
Speaker 1: I think I think Cooper's going to be good for
the Bills.
Speaker 3: I do too. I think the Bills are a good team.
I think he makes the money, he.
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Speaker 1: I think the Bills will win this one going away.
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Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they don't, if they don't slam the
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