WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:05.759 Good morning everybody, Corey Us Bloody History. We're back. Sorry 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.919 about the week off. I just didn't plan my schedule 3 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:14.800 appropriately once I got back from Miami. But i'm here 4 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:16.960 and we'll have a full run of shows the next 5 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:20.920 couple weeks. So we're gonna go back in time today 6 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:23.719 and we're gonna jump back to the David Ferry file. 7 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:27.519 I started this like two or three years ago, and 8 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:30.359 I didn't get very far. And Fairry is the most 9 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.560 important person in as far as the research goes in 10 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:36.719 the Kennedy assassination. It's the easiest person to prove is 11 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:40.600 in Dallas and was one of the shooters on the knoll. 12 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:45.000 And so yeah, let's hop right back into it. This 13 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:53.840 is the beginning of file one, Section two. This collection 14 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:55.840 of documents is kind of a mix of FBI and 15 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:59.280 Garrison files. I don't think Garrison compiled this one. This 16 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:02.039 one's four hundred and something pages. The Garrison file is 17 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.519 three hundred and something pages, but it was a very little overlap. 18 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.640 All right, So here we go. This is a memo 19 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:15.319 February twenty eighth, nineteen sixty seven to Jim Garrison from 20 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:20.239 Andrew Scambra and Louis Ivan reference the interview with David Ferry. 21 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:24.840 On Saturday, February eighteenth, nineteen sixty seven, at approximately three 22 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:28.239 thirty pm, Louis Ivan and I interviewed David Ferry in 23 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:33.200 his apartment on Louisiana Avenue Parkway. As we approached the house, 24 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.359 Faerry came out on the porch and looked at us 25 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:37.280 and began to walk down the steps to open the 26 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:39.920 front door for us. As he opened the door for us, 27 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.319 he told Ivan that he was glad we finally decided 28 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.840 to come and talk to him, as he had been 29 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:46.920 trying to get in touch with Garrison or Ivan for 30 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:50.239 several days. He told me hello and asked me what 31 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:52.200 I was doing with Ivan, and I explained to him 32 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.959 that I was an assistant DA now and thought that 33 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:56.959 I would come along with Ivan since we knew each 34 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:59.400 other from the airport. He told us to go on 35 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:01.439 upstairs and that he would follow us, but that it 36 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.439 would take him some time to climb up the stairs 37 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.799 as he was sick and weak and that he had 38 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:07.560 not been able to keep anything in his stomach for 39 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.599 a couple of days. He moaned and groaned with each 40 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:12.879 step he took from the stairs. From the bottom of 41 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:17.120 the top. This behavior by Fairy impressed me as phony act, 42 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:18.960 and I'm sure he was not as sick as he 43 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:22.800 pretended to be. Once inside the apartment, Ivan and I 44 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:25.280 sat down, and Fairry laid down on the sofa in 45 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.759 the front room. He was wearing pants and a T 46 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:33.280 shirt and had two pillows under him. There was a 47 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.240 young man in the apartment in his early twenties who 48 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.560 was a friend of Fairiy's from the Lakefront Airport. His 49 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.599 name was Bert Johnson, and I remember him from when 50 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:45.159 I was working out there. Fairry had given him flying instructions, 51 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.319 and he told me he had already acquired his license. 52 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:51.199 My first conversation with Ferry centered around airport talk and 53 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.639 about people we both knew from the airport. He said 54 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:56.400 he had often wondered what had happened to me, and 55 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:59.319 that he thought I'd gone into private practice. He said 56 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.639 that he knew a lot of it and they were 57 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.039 all dumb, with a few exceptions. He then said that 58 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:07.080 he the reason he had called us was that he 59 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.280 was getting concerned over our investigation. He'd heard all kinds 60 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.000 of rumors that he was going to get arrested and 61 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.039 that he wanted to find out if these rumors were true. 62 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.520 He said that as a result of these rumors, he'd 63 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:18.800 been asked to leave the airport and now he was 64 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:20.680 concerned over how he was going to make a living. 65 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.560 That flying was his only enjoyment in life. Ferry said 66 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.280 he was suffering from encyphalitis and that he could not 67 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.599 get any rests because of the radio, TV and press 68 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:34.120 boys hounding him to death. Ferry said his phone rings 69 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.280 from morning till nights, and that he talked to Sam 70 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.000 Depino from Channel twelve until early hours of the morning. 71 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:42.960 Fairy said Sam was trying to con him, but that 72 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.759 he was too smart to fall for his line, and 73 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:49.039 that all those people were bastards. Just then the phone 74 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.319 rang and it was a reporter from the Times Picky Un, 75 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.199 and he said that he would positively not grant interviews 76 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.240 and that he was tired of all those bastards calling 77 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.879 him up. Thet or must have told him something, because 78 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.360 he said he was not calling him a bastard personally, 79 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:07.400 but referring to the news media in general. He then 80 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.199 hung up the phone. Ferry picked up the Pickie Un 81 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.360 paper and said he wanted to show us portions of 82 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.639 the story that really disturbed him. He said the newspapers 83 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.560 can kill anybody they want to, and that it was 84 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.839 never more evident than the case of Carlos Marcelo and 85 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.240 Jimmy Hoffa. Ferry said the newspapers tried to frame both 86 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:28.160 of these guys. Then he talked about the Marcello trial 87 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.639 that he was working in nineteen sixty three and how 88 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:34.319 the newspapers tried to crucify Marcello. He said Marcelo made 89 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.160 asses out of all of them when he was acquitted. 90 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:39.240 Ferry said he wanted to know why we brought Miguel 91 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.199 Torres back from Angola. He said he knew what people 92 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:44.560 would do to get out of prison, and he thought 93 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:48.560 Garrison was trying to frame up by using Miguel Torres. 94 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:51.240 Ferry said that if this would happen, he would sue 95 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:54.680 us and everybody. Ferry said he'd been contacted by some 96 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.000 big attorneys in Washington, d c. And they wanted to 97 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.519 help him. Ferry also said he did not like the 98 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:04.839 way Garrison was answering questions put to him by newsman 99 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.639 and that Garrison should make a definite statement and not 100 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:10.839 say no comment. He said the no comment stirs more 101 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.199 shit than an hour's speech. Ferry said Garrison knew this 102 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.120 and that he was obviously using this for publicity. I 103 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.360 assured him that Garrison was not trying to frame anybody, 104 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.279 and that he was avoiding the press and he could 105 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:26.639 not say much less to the press than no comment. Then, 106 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.560 Fairry said he wanted to talk to Garrison personally. We 107 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:31.160 told him we would try to arrange a meeting in 108 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.439 the near future. Ferry then began to curse Jack Martin 109 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:37.959 and said Martin started all of this stuff. He's correct, 110 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:41.120 by the way, Martin did start all this. Ferry said 111 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:43.319 Martin was jealous of him because of his relationship with 112 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:45.879 g Ray Gill, and that Martin was trying to ruin him. 113 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.519 He said Martin is a screwball and should be locked up. 114 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:53.160 Ferry then said Garrison had better be careful because he 115 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.199 knew some people were trying to torpedo him. That he 116 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:58.480 knew of three people on a local level and a 117 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.160 couple people on a national level who are trying to 118 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.279 ruin them politically and are trying to embarrass him politically 119 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.720 with this assassination investigation. Ferry said he did not want 120 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.000 to mention the names of the local people, but Garrison 121 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.319 should be smart enough to know who they were. He 122 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:15.519 then began to talk about Frank Klein and inferred that 123 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:17.720 this man was one of the local persons trying to 124 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.240 destroy Garrison. However, when Ivan asked him if Klein was 125 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.680 one of the people he was referring to, Ferry said 126 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:27.519 that in time we would find out. Faery. Ferry did 127 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.199 say that Hoover was one of the people on a 128 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.480 national level who was trying to destroy Garrison because Garrison 129 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.199 had dared to criticize the Bureau and has the whole 130 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:39.279 country wondering if they're as smart as the Keystone cops. However, 131 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:42.360 Ferry said he was just glad about this. As far 132 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.079 as he's concerned, all cops are bastards and he has 133 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.480 no use for any of them. Ferry also said he 134 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.439 had heard that some people in Washington were talking about 135 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.279 the investigation, and that two days before the story broke 136 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.759 in the newspaper, some people were saying that Garrison would 137 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.680 call a press conference Friday and give the story to 138 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.519 the press. Ferry didn't say. Ferry said he didn't want 139 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:06.680 to give out any names as he didn't want JEdgar 140 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:09.439 on his ass too. He then asked to speak to 141 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.279 Garrison again because he wanted to see if he were 142 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.800 serious about the whole thing. I told him that Garrison 143 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.600 was more than serious, and that we were checking out 144 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.800 all our leads and information. I then told Fairy he 145 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.279 could tell me what he wanted to say, and I 146 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.079 would tell Garrison for him. Ferry said he wanted to 147 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.199 talk to Garrison himself and look him in the face. 148 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:29.519 I then asked Ferry to tell me where he was 149 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.800 on November twenty second, sixty three and how he'd become 150 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.000 so involved in this. Ferry said it was all on 151 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:37.079 account of a trip he made to Houston, Texas on 152 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.800 the afternoon of the twenty second to ice skate. He 153 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:41.519 said that all he wanted to do was relax after 154 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.959 the Marcello trial, and he just had the urge to 155 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.120 go ice skating. Ferry said, as it had turned out, 156 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.160 it was the worst trip he'd ever made in his life. 157 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.240 I asked Fairy what he did in Houston. Ferry said, 158 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.920 ice skate? What else? I said, I don't know, Dave, 159 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.600 you tell me. Ferry said that I was a newcomer 160 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:00.839 around the game and that my office knew more about 161 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.639 the trip than he did, Ferry said, ask your boss. 162 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:05.720 He had me arrested. When I got back into town. 163 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:08.120 I was booked as a fugitive from Texas and I've 164 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.759 never been to Texas. I asked him to tell me 165 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.160 about the arrest, as I didn't believe we would arrest 166 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.240 a man who was perfectly innocent. Ferry told me I 167 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:18.759 had a lot to learn about life, and that I 168 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:20.759 was a starry eyed kid right out of law school, 169 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.600 and I was still believing the inscriptions on the courthouse walls. 170 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.279 Ferry said that after a while, when you get a 171 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.480 little smarter, you'll see that this is a stinking world, 172 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:31.680 and what I told you at the airport is true. 173 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:34.320 I told Fairy that what he said may be true, 174 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.399 but that still doesn't tell me about the arrest. Ferry said, 175 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.559 all right, I'll go through the speel again for your benefit. 176 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.519 Ferry said that after he had taken his trip to Texas, 177 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.519 he and bobuf and Coffee stopped in Alexandria, and he 178 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.919 called g Ray Gill ladies and gentlemen. I still haven't 179 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:50.960 figured out why they went to Alexandria. It's kind of 180 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.279 out of the way if they're just on their way home. 181 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.159 By a long shot, so I still don't know why 182 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:59.440 they went there. There was a hotel there connected to 183 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.360 clay Shaw that the FBI heavily investigated. Don't know what 184 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:07.399 that means, but I believe that Alexandria stuff might have 185 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:09.360 to do a clay Shaw, But I just don't know yet. 186 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:12.399 Gil told him the police were looking for him and 187 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:14.840 that they wanted to ask him some questions about the assassination. 188 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:17.440 He said that then the draw he drove back to 189 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.240 New Orleans and dropped boboof off at his apartment on 190 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.840 Louisiana Avenue Parkway so he could go upstairs and call 191 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.840 some girls for them. Oh bullshit, He said that. He 192 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:28.360 and coffee then went to the grocery store. He said 193 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.080 that when he and coffee was returning to the apartment, 194 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.240 he noticed a bunch of cars around his apartment and 195 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.360 a lot of people. Ferry said he figured it was 196 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:37.399 a police so he went back to the store and telephoned. 197 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:40.720 Ferry said, some dumb ox answered the phone and tried 198 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:42.960 to suck him into conversation, but he just hung up. 199 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:45.440 He said. He then dropped coffee off and went to 200 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:49.000 Hammond Louisiana. I asked him where in Hammond. Ferry said, 201 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.399 by a friend. I asked him what friend, and he 202 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.320 burst out laughing and said, I'll say one thing for you, you 203 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.639 sure try hard. He then told me not to try 204 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.759 and investigate him, because he could show me in my 205 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.519 whole office how to investigate. I didn't press the issue 206 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:03.440 any further, but later on he told me that he 207 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.879 did not stay in a motel, but with a friend 208 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.600 who would remain anonymous. Besides, he said, I got friends 209 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.799 all over the world. I said that was very interesting, 210 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.639 but that I wanted his opinion on one other small matter. 211 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.480 He asked what I said, Dave, who shot the president? 212 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.440 He said, well, that's an interesting question. I've got my 213 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.360 own thoughts about it. Ferry then sent his friend into 214 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.879 another room to get an anatomy book and a pathology book, 215 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:27.320 and he pulled out a sheet of paper and began 216 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:29.639 to sketch on it. Ferry drew a sketch of the 217 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:32.759 Texas School Book Depository and of the parade route and 218 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:37.200 of the area in general. That's interesting, huh. Ferry said 219 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.240 that before he would definitely draw a conclusion, he would 220 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:42.240 have to have more information in facts. Ferry then went 221 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:46.519 into a long spiel about the projectory of the trajectory 222 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:49.519 of the bullets in relation to heightened distance. He said 223 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.799 that different guns and shells have different trajectories, and that 224 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.799 bullets tend to drop as they are shot. Ferry said 225 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.600 the Warran Commission did not have enough pertinent scientific information 226 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.720 to come to an objective conclusion. He said he did 227 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.159 not read the warrant report, but what he read proved 228 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:06.279 to him that the Commission did not know what they 229 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:09.919 were doing. Fairy went into a long spiel about JFK's 230 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.240 neck wound. In the course of his lecture on anatomy 231 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.399 and pathology, he named every bone in the human body 232 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:18.039 and every hard and soft muscle area. He talked extensively 233 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.759 about the dermis and epidermis. Fairry said that if the 234 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.320 same bullet that struck JFK in the back or neck 235 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:26.480 eventually struck Connolly, that Connelly or Kennedy had to be 236 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.799 a contortionist. He then rattled off some more scientific information 237 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:31.960 in regard to bones and skin and how a bullet 238 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.120 a bullet decreases in speed when it strikes an object, 239 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.519 and how the same bullet could not possibly have caused 240 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.240 all that damage. Ferry said that the question would not 241 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:44.960 be answered because the doctor who performed the tricheotomy had 242 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.639 ten thumbs and left unanswered the most important question of 243 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.559 all time. Fairy then laughed and said that doctors are 244 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.440 almost as stupid as lawyers, but that lawyers are worse 245 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:55.720 because they are always in your pocket. Okay, this is 246 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.799 an interesting couple sentences. Let me reread this and see 247 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:05.159 if you catch what I caught. Ferry said that. Ferry 248 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.000 said that question would never be answered because the doctor 249 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:12.559 who performed the tracheotomy had ten thumbs and left unanswered 250 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:17.679 the most important question of all time. That's pretty interesting 251 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:22.000 because my current belief is that Fairy fired the first 252 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.200 shot that struck Kennedy in the throat. I've been reviewing 253 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.759 that lately, and I'm open to some alteration of that theory, 254 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.279 which I'll get into in a future show, but that's 255 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:34.840 currently where I stand on it. And for him to 256 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.960 be making comments about the tracheotomy when I believe he's 257 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.360 the one who did the throat shot, it's pretty interesting. 258 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.080 Pretty interesting. Why he would bring that up, I don't know. 259 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:47.360 I then said, in other words, Dave, you don't buy 260 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.399 the one shot theory. Ferry said he wasn't saying anything 261 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.320 because he didn't want jed Gar Hoover on his tail. 262 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.279 That he had enough with Garrison to contend with. Ferry 263 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.120 said that in time he would work the whole thing out, 264 00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:00.399 and then laughingly said he would contact our office. I 265 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:02.440 noticed at this point that he was in very good 266 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.559 spirits and was laughing and joking, and even commented that 267 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.960 he's feeling pretty good now that he said three cups 268 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.879 of coffee already and hasn't thrown up yet. Ferry then 269 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.039 received another phone call from Steve Lyttleton and his wife 270 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:18.480 and joked with Littleton's wife about how he knew that 271 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.600 she had dated Lee Harvey Oswald and that he was 272 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.039 going to tell Garrison on her. She must have told 273 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:25.720 him that she had seen his picture in the paper, 274 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.879 and he replied that he didn't like it because it 275 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.679 made him look unphotogenic. She also must have asked Fairy 276 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:36.480 if it was him that some people identified with somebody 277 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.919 or at some place, and he said that the people 278 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:42.480 are mistaken or he had a common face. After he 279 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:44.879 hung up the phone, we told him we had to leave. 280 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.360 Fairry said he had more to tell us about the 281 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.440 one shot theory. We told him to save it for 282 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:51.960 another day, as it was dark already and we had 283 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.039 to meet Garrison. I then asked him if he would 284 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:56.919 like to tell me some more about his trip to Hammond, 285 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.360 and he smiled and said, go to Hell. I then 286 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:02.000 asked if he stayed with Clay Shaw. He said, who's 287 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:03.960 Clay Shaw? I said, all right, if that doesn't ring 288 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.039 a bell, how about Clay Bertrand. He said, who's Clay Bertrand. 289 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:09.519 I said, Clay Bertrand and Clay Shaw the same person. 290 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.720 He asked who said that? I said, Dean Andrews told us. 291 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:16.720 He said, Dean Andrews might tell you, guys anything, you 292 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.720 know how Dean Andrews is. Ferry then started to go 293 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.480 into another lecture and we told him we had to go. 294 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:23.919 He followed us down the stairs and walked out on 295 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.679 the sidewalk with us. Ferry asked Ivan to be sure 296 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.879 and call him. Ivan assured he wouldn't be left. So 297 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.759 that's an interesting little interaction. Right. You can see where 298 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:38.799 parts of the fairy stuff from the movie JFK was 299 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:43.000 pulled from this report right when he asked him, Dave, 300 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:50.240 who shot the president? Right? So interesting? Huh? All right? 301 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.879 So the next page in this document, I was gonna 302 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:54.399 skip it, but look in looking at it real quick, 303 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.480 I might as well. Because I never talk about what's 304 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.919 his name, case, Miguel or whatever the fuck. I never 305 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.759 he's to me. He's a side quest, you know, not 306 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.399 necessary for the main story. So I don't really talk 307 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:11.679 about him much. But this document here is dated March first. 308 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:17.919 It looks like, you know, I can't say offhand, it 309 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.000 kind of looks like a CIA document. There's no real 310 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.200 heading on it. It just has the date March first, 311 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:27.559 sixty nine heading Jones Harris underlined Jones. Harris hasn't seen 312 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:34.240 Miguel for a month. Last word from him was cards too. 313 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.559 And I can't read the next couple of words something 314 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:42.360 see below from Mexico and Burma. I can't read the 315 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:43.879 next I can't He's a couple letters in the period. 316 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.279 I can't read it. Miguel didn't work out his deal 317 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:53.240 with CIA. Miguel gives Harris the following names looks like 318 00:15:53.440 --> 00:16:02.120 mew Reiser S Junior, John Gullet, James J. Looks like 319 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:06.840 Mike's m yk e. S. First name redacted. Pittman ex 320 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:14.279 Navy Captain X Navy commander Thomas. Ummmm, it says Negel 321 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.600 saw at three eight seven thirty three. I'm not sure 322 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:23.559 what that is, and then Wong and then the handwritten 323 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.240 name Al with a question mark and says Chinese type CIA. 324 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:31.440 Negel gave Harris info re following two who he said 325 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.320 had a hand in Dallas, both working for an outfit 326 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:39.759 called Movement to Free Cuba headed by Tracy Barnes. One 327 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:44.799 Leopaldo Leopoldo. Lawrence Howard Caucasian Mexican YEP twenty seven to 328 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.799 twenty nine, two pounds, five foot ten to five eleven 329 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:50.840 black hair, heavy build, Alpha sixty six YEP Lawrence Howard. 330 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.039 See Lawrence Howard is Leopoldo. I don't know why it's 331 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:57.120 such a big fucking mystery anymore. The evidence for Lawrence 332 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:03.159 Howard being Leopoldo is everywhere. Wrangle Mail Caucasian Cuban, New 333 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:05.200 Mexican twenty eight to thirty hundred and eighty pounds, five 334 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:09.680 eleven to six foot, black hair, large eyes, probably Lauren Hall, 335 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.880 although I've never seen that name Wrangle attached to him. 336 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:15.920 Both x CIA. This is probably at the time. This 337 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.319 information feels like it's at the time when they were 338 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.440 calling William Seymour techs when they were out in California 339 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.000 because they were using those aliases out there working in 340 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:29.000 a job for some reason. It says both XCIA photos 341 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.480 in Jackson Square, New Orleans, of Lee Harvey Oswald talking 342 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.359 to both. Now that's not true. Ferry also knew both. Yes, 343 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.039 that is true. Leon Oswald Mail Caucasian American twenty four 344 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.400 to twenty six hundred fifty pounds five eight or five nine. 345 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.920 Leon Oswald. Well, that name was used twice. It was 346 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.920 used at Odeo's and it was used at the party 347 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.039 by Carry Thornley. So Kerry Thornley and William Seymour both 348 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:56.279 used the name leon Oswald, which is pretty interesting. Says Mail, 349 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.640 Caucasian American twenty four twenty six hundred and fifty pounds 350 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:03.759 five eight or five nine, alive on September fourteenth or fifteenth, 351 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.240 not alive after September nineteenth, nineteen sixty three. Yeah, that's 352 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.359 not true. Nogel left New Orleans for LA on September sixteenth, 353 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.839 nineteen sixty three. So there might be actually some overlap 354 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:21.079 with Miguel being in Los Angeles and our guys Howard 355 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:26.160 and Seymour being out there. It says plots one nineteen 356 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.480 sixty two December Miami, Armory. Oh, interesting, I don't know 357 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.200 about that. One. Two nineteen sixty three June La the 358 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:36.319 Beverly Hilton, and three nineteen sixty three September to Washington, 359 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:40.799 September twenty sixth scheduled. Okay, September twenty sixth scheduled. That's 360 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:43.680 interesting because all those guys were busy on September twenty 361 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:46.279 six All the Oswalds were busy on September twenty sixth. 362 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.920 Then it says Marina's file in San Antonio in April 363 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:53.599 nineteen sixty three. Now that's really interesting. I need to 364 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:55.640 figure out what's up with San Antonio because it's multiple 365 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.920 references to San Antonio in the early life of Oswald 366 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:03.839 that I can't figure out, and Marina having a file 367 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.240 in San Antonio. I saw another reference to her in 368 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:11.480 San Antonio also, so that's pretty interesting to me. All right, 369 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:17.319 moving on, the next one, looks like a teletype, says 370 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.920 wu At two n PR Collect New Orleans, LA, twenty 371 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:28.759 three eleven thirty two PCST Time, Inc. Four Nation Garrison 372 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:35.640 and JFK Plot Take two David Ferry from David Snyder, 373 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.400 time stringer in New Orleans, So it looks like it's 374 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:41.799 probably a teletype of a pre release of an article. 375 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:46.279 Ben Kate asked me to send full particulars on David 376 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:49.039 William Ferry. My first contact with Ferry was a telephone 377 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:53.039 call at five thirty pm Friday, February seventeenth, following the 378 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:58.359 appearance of the State's items initial story on the Garrison investigation. 379 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:00.599 He had read the story and he, he said, was 380 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.480 tired of remaining silent on the investigation. He felt that 381 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:05.839 he was being persecuted by the DA's office and he 382 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.440 was afraid of arrest. Fairy's voice was nasal and almost inaudible. 383 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:13.960 He said he was physically sick. During our first telephone conversation. 384 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.759 His breathing was unsteady. I asked Fairry when I could 385 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.039 see him. He told me to make it soon because 386 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:22.640 he might change his mind about talking. I told him 387 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:24.960 I'd be at his house by six pm. I talked 388 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.039 to him four and a half hours Friday night. He 389 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.440 called me at least once every day after that until 390 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:34.200 his death. He was extremely sick, he said, with encephalitis. 391 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.440 He was scared to death of arrest by the District 392 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:38.920 Attorney's office, and he was bitterly convinced that there was 393 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.799 no justice for him in this world. The man investigated 394 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:44.279 on two different occasions by the DA's office in connection 395 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:49.000 with the assassination met me at the downstairs entrance to 396 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:52.799 his apartment at thirty three to three Louisiana Avenue, Parkway. 397 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.000 His steps were feeble as we climbed the stairs to 398 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.160 the second floor. He apologized for the slowness, saying that 399 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.680 he was suffering from encephalitis, but assured me that it 400 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:04.400 was not contagious. He also apologized for the condition of 401 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:08.400