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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety six, fifteen year old Danielle Houchins left

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<v Speaker 1>her Montana home for a quick solo trip to a

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<v Speaker 1>local fishing spot, but she never came back. What began

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<v Speaker 1>as a missing person search quickly unraveled into a decade's

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<v Speaker 1>long mystery, one that haunted her family and the community. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly twenty eight years later, thanks to breakthroughs in new

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<v Speaker 1>forensic science and one sister's unshakable resolve, the truth behind

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<v Speaker 1>Danny's tragic death was finally uncovered. This is the story

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<v Speaker 1>of a cold case turned solved. This is the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Danielle Houchin's.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcasting.

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<v Speaker 1>The following body intended more Maure audience listener.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Friday, Happy Friday, welcome back. We uh we got

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<v Speaker 2>all festive up in our tiny home this week.

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<v Speaker 1>We did. We got wreaths on the door, we got

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<v Speaker 1>some Christmas decorations up, and even are many tiny Christmas trees.

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<v Speaker 2>We went even smaller than usual. We did probably like

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<v Speaker 2>half the size of what we usually do. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's teeny tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>We went from like a foot and a half to

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<v Speaker 1>like a foot. It's really teeny tiny, but we had

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<v Speaker 1>some from an eggnong with it when we were decorating

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<v Speaker 1>and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was good, Yeah, it was. It's been a

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<v Speaker 2>good week. I hope that you guys have all had

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<v Speaker 2>a good week too.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope so. And remember like, don't don't let consumerism

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<v Speaker 1>overtake your Christmas. That's not what it's about, right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>about just enjoying the time and being with those people

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<v Speaker 1>around you, even if that's hey, your dogs, get dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we got sitting next to us, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be enjoying that time with our dogs come

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas morning, and of course there's going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>festivities like Christmas Morning.

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<v Speaker 2>The moss. It was also Spotify rap this week. It

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<v Speaker 2>was so that was That's always. I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>love that week. It's so cool having so many people

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<v Speaker 2>share just I don't know that they're in the one

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<v Speaker 2>percent or the ten percent or whatever. I love seeing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this year is I think the first year we

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<v Speaker 1>are unable to actually share everyone who shared their Spotify raps.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just so many of you that are tagging us,

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<v Speaker 1>messaging us like showcasing the Spotify raps. We got so

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<v Speaker 1>far behind, we just we can't share them all. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the coming weeks we are going to be trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that we sort through and go and

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<v Speaker 1>check out everyone who has message just and everything. So

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to you, thank you and sorry if we

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<v Speaker 1>were unable to share yours, but we seriously appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>just the same.

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<v Speaker 2>M hm. Yeah, it was a huge year of growth

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<v Speaker 2>for us, which I didn't even realize, I guess to

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<v Speaker 2>that point. So it was really cool. It was would

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<v Speaker 2>you say it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Humbling, humbling, sobering. Yeah, yeah, it was nice. Yeah, made

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<v Speaker 1>my little grinch heart swell three sizes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, a little grinch, my.

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<v Speaker 1>Little grinch heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, do you want to get on with today's case

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<v Speaker 1>or do you have anything else you want to want

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss first?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think I'm excited for this case because I

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<v Speaker 2>love it when you know it like, it's awesome when

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<v Speaker 2>it gets solved right away, but that's not always the case.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it eventually gets solved, that's also good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this one was nearly thirty years but they eventually

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<v Speaker 1>they figured it out, and I'm so glad this is

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller, smaller case, not super well known, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>happy to stories like that as well, especially when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to those victims and families who who deserve to

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<v Speaker 1>be heard. So this is one of those stories. I

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<v Speaker 1>have done a couple more. You know, Perpetrator highlighted stories recently,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's nice to get back to telling those stories

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<v Speaker 1>that need to be need to be out there more. Yes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get going. It was Saturday, September twenty first, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six. Fifteen year old Danielle or Danny Houchins asked

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<v Speaker 1>her mom for permission to drive out to a nearby

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Bridge fishing access site. Now it's a popular spot

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<v Speaker 1>along the Gallatin River just a few miles from her home.

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<v Speaker 1>Danny was a sophomore. She was an honor student who

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<v Speaker 1>had a big dream of becoming a biological engineer one

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<v Speaker 1>day now. She was also very outdoorsy adventurous. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a teen who loved hiking, rock climbing, river rafting, skiing,

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<v Speaker 1>and listening to grunge music. She even had a playful streak,

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<v Speaker 1>known for pulling some pranks on friends and family. In

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<v Speaker 1>many ways, Dan he was a typical nineteen nineties teenager

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<v Speaker 1>with her whole life still ahead of her. But on

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<v Speaker 1>this day, Danny reportedly wanted to blow off some steam

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<v Speaker 1>after a little argument at home, and a little solo

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<v Speaker 1>trip to the river was how she chose to try

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<v Speaker 1>and cool down. Her mother, Cheryl agreed and even lent

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<v Speaker 1>Danny her watch so she could keep track of time

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<v Speaker 1>and be back by mid afternoon. The family was expecting

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<v Speaker 1>company around two PM, and Danny had promised to return

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<v Speaker 1>by then. Now. She left home at around eleven am

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<v Speaker 1>that morning, driving her pickup truck towards that Cameron Bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>She was dressed in blue denim jeans and a gray

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<v Speaker 1>sweatshirt and wore a knee brace on her left knee.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that brace was due to a minor injury she'd

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<v Speaker 1>gotten horsing around on a street dance with a few

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<v Speaker 1>friends weeks earlier, but it didn't slower down much and

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't anything like extremely serious. At fifteen, Danny was

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<v Speaker 1>an active and athletic girl who spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time outdoors, so a quick trip to a little scenic

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<v Speaker 1>fishing spot by a bridge wasn't out of the ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>for her or anything. She strapped on the gold elastic

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<v Speaker 1>band watch that her mom lent her and cheerfully promised

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<v Speaker 1>to be back in a couple hours, and with that

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<v Speaker 1>she headed off in her truck, leaving the small town

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<v Speaker 1>of Belgrade, Montana, in Gatlin County for the short drive

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<v Speaker 1>to Cameron Bridge. It was just another Saturday adventure. As

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<v Speaker 1>the clock ticked away and ticked past two pm. With

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<v Speaker 1>guests arriving at the houch and home, Danny was nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen. At first, her family wasn't exactly panic though.

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<v Speaker 1>Danny was in fact of a very responsible teen and

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like her to be terribly late, so perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>she just lost track of time or whatever, and she'd be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, coming through the front door at any moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But by three pm, worry began to set in, so

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<v Speaker 1>her mother, Cheryl, decided to go to Cameron Bridge herself

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<v Speaker 1>to check in on Danny. She brought along one of

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<v Speaker 1>the family friends and together they drove the route that

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<v Speaker 1>Danny would have taken, hoping to you know, maybe pass

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<v Speaker 1>her on the way there or find her. When they arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>still relaxing the river, not realizing what time it was,

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<v Speaker 1>when hold into the dirt parking area at the Cameron Bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl immediately spotted Danny's truck. It was parked where visitors

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<v Speaker 1>often leave their vehicles, but something was off. When they

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<v Speaker 1>approached the truck, the doors were unlocked and Danny was

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere in sight. Cheryl also saw Danny's belongings inside a

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<v Speaker 1>stack of her CDs and even her father's laptop. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the truck was left unlocked with these valuables

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<v Speaker 1>inside it was very unlike her, and a prickling sense

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<v Speaker 1>of dread began to form in Cheryl's stomach. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>was nearby. As the search began. That on a little

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<v Speaker 1>trail leading from the parking area towards the river, Cheryl

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<v Speaker 1>and her friend made an alarming discovery. They found Danny's

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<v Speaker 1>water bottle and her keys laying on the ground. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl knew that her daughter wouldn't just abandon her keys

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<v Speaker 1>in water like that and wander off the trail. Something

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to clearly be wrong. They continued searching the area,

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<v Speaker 1>calling out Danny's name, hoping for a response. For an

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<v Speaker 1>exp of what's going on now. The Cameron Bridge site

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<v Speaker 1>spans a mix of open fields brush patches of wood

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<v Speaker 1>near the river, and there's footpaths, boat launches, and river

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<v Speaker 1>banks all over, plenty of ground to cover, and as

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ticked by with no trace of Danny, their search

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<v Speaker 1>became increasingly frantic. For two hours, they scoured the vicinity

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<v Speaker 1>with growing desperation as they went, and by five PM,

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<v Speaker 1>with daylight starting to wane and an ominous feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they might not be able to find her

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<v Speaker 1>on their own, Cheryl made the decision to call the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities for help. Once she contacted the Gatland County Sheriff's office,

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<v Speaker 1>search efforts ramped up quickly. Sheriff deputies arrived at the

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Bridge site, and soon Gatland County Search and Rescue

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<v Speaker 1>teams and local volunteers joined the hunt. The community mobilized fast.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a small Montana town and a missing local

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<v Speaker 1>teenager prompted immediate concern. Volunteers who knew the train came

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<v Speaker 1>to help, and sheriff personnel coordinated the whole search in

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<v Speaker 1>the wooded area, the marshy area, around the river, all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. They're doing their best to try and find

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<v Speaker 1>this missing teenager. As the following afternoon turned to evening,

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<v Speaker 1>searchers spread out along the river's edge, through stands of

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<v Speaker 1>trees and into the tall grasses of the marshland. But

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<v Speaker 1>as the sun dipped low, the conditions grew challenging. The

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<v Speaker 1>bridges area also includes swampy overgrown sections. It's all along

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<v Speaker 1>the river's edge, and losing daylight might be dangerous to

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<v Speaker 1>continue trudging through that difficult terrain, and after hours of

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<v Speaker 1>fruitless searching, the organized effort was reluctantly called off for

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<v Speaker 1>the night once darkness fell, with plans to resume at

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<v Speaker 1>first light.

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<v Speaker 2>It does seem like it's a pretty tough area to search, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Once you get you know, along river's edge, you get

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cut banks, you get drop offs, you get water,

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<v Speaker 1>you get swampy areas, you get trees, it's all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you don't have light, don't have footing, someone

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<v Speaker 1>could even fall in the river. And yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how fast this river is flowing or how deep

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<v Speaker 1>or anything, but potentially it could mean you know, another

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<v Speaker 1>person being taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Off another search outretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So regardless, it's just a massive safety concern. So

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<v Speaker 1>first light is when they decided to officially conduct the

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<v Speaker 1>search once again. However, Danny's loved ones were not about

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<v Speaker 1>to give up. Even as searchers left for the night,

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<v Speaker 1>a few determined individuals kept looking. Amongst them were two

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<v Speaker 1>brothers who lived nearby and knew the landscape well. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the brothers had a son who was good friends

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<v Speaker 1>with Danny's sister, Stephanie, which made the situation even more

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<v Speaker 1>personal for that family. At the urging of that sun,

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<v Speaker 1>the brothers decided to continue the search on their own

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<v Speaker 1>that night. So armed with flashlights and an intimate knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of that local train, the brothers navigated the shadows and

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<v Speaker 1>muck along the river. It was around nine thirty PM,

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<v Speaker 1>roughly forty five minutes after they began their private search,

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<v Speaker 1>when one of the brothers made a heartbreaking discovery. They're

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<v Speaker 1>only about two hundred feet from where Danny's truck was parked.

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<v Speaker 1>They spotted a figure in a very swampy, marshy patch

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<v Speaker 1>of ground near the river's edge. The flashlight illuminated the

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<v Speaker 1>devastating site. There was Danny Houchin's lifeless body lying face

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<v Speaker 1>down in a shallow pool of water.

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<v Speaker 2>The last thing you'd want to find.

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<v Speaker 1>Real ly, the worst fear was basically concerned, Yeah confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment. Everyone hoped to find her safe, of course, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, maybe injuries are lost, even scared for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but like at the very least alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Now just found lifeless.

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<v Speaker 1>She's gone, yeah, but in this case specifically, she's half

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<v Speaker 1>There's mud, there's rocks and weeds all over, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>just face down. The scene was eerie, something straight out

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<v Speaker 1>of a nightmare. And now Danny was still fully clothed

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<v Speaker 1>potential struggle. The watch that Danny had borrowed from her

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<v Speaker 1>mother will. It had been pulled up part way off

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<v Speaker 1>of his own, and in an agonizing exchange from one

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives secured the scene in the darkness and began collecting

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<v Speaker 1>whatever evidence they could find around Danny's body. Investigators recovered

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>These foreign hairs were collected as evidence, preserved in hopes

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<v Speaker 1>at the scene that night with Danny. Now, there's also

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<v Speaker 1>other critical evidence that was gathered as well. There was

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<v Speaker 1>indication that Danny had in fact been sexually assaulted, and

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<v Speaker 1>the exact position and state of her clothing suggested a

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<v Speaker 1>from under her shirt and her underwear was a little

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<v Speaker 1>been done to her. The entire Houchin family was devastated

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<v Speaker 1>to learn these things. A memorial service for Danny was

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<v Speaker 1>held only a few days later, on September twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six, drawing over four hundred mourners who came

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<v Speaker 1>to pay their respects to a young life cut way

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<v Speaker 1>too short. Everyone assumed this was obviously a murder, a

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<v Speaker 1>heinous sexual assault and killing of a teenage girl in

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<v Speaker 1>what should have been a safe outdoor haven. However, shockingly,

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<v Speaker 1>the early official handling of this case did not reflect

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<v Speaker 1>the urgency and focused you would expect in a homicide investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, within days of the body being discovered, Gatlin

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<v Speaker 1>County authorities seemed to portray that they were not entirely

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<v Speaker 1>sure what had even happened to Danny, even entertaining the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility that this might be an accident instead. Now, an

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<v Speaker 1>autopsy was performed on September twenty third, nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>by the Montana State Crime Lab. The medical examiner's findings, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they were quite perplexing, and to Danny's family they were

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<v Speaker 1>infuriating because, on one hand, the autopsy revealed clear signs

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<v Speaker 1>of assault. Because there was muddy material quote on quote

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<v Speaker 1>found in Danny's stomach as well as in her airway,

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting she had inhaled an even swallowed mud and water

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<v Speaker 1>while she was still alive. Now, this is not something

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<v Speaker 1>that happens in a simple accidental slip and fall drowning scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>It indicated that her face had been forced down into

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<v Speaker 1>the marsh repeatedly or for a prolonged amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>And in addition, the autopsy had also noted a recent

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<v Speaker 1>vaginal laceration, which was evidence of sexual trauma. All of

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<v Speaker 1>these details screamed homicide to anyone who looked at them,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet the officials well. Their conclusion from state medical

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<v Speaker 1>examiner Gary Dale, was that danny Her cause of death

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<v Speaker 1>was drowning, with the manner of the death being unlisted

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<v Speaker 1>as undetermined. In other words, the forensic report did not

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<v Speaker 1>label it a homicide nor definitively an accident. As well,

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<v Speaker 1>it left the case open to interpretation despite the tailtale

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<v Speaker 1>signs clearly a violence.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell I feel like that's someone not wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to go the extra not even an extra mile, really

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<v Speaker 2>like put any effort into figuring out what the hell happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. There's a lot around this case with scrutiny

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<v Speaker 1>towards the investigation team and officials in regards to how

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<v Speaker 1>they handled it, because it seems like they didn't even try.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't make any sense though, Why wouldn't you,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is a fifteen year old girl, You think

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<v Speaker 2>that would give you all the gusto to try to

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<v Speaker 2>get this solved.

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<v Speaker 1>No, kidding, well, and not only that, but it's like

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's clear signs that there's something else happening here. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>sure you might have say, might say she tripped and

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<v Speaker 1>fell and face first into water, whatever, Right, but why

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<v Speaker 1>are her keys and water bottle left on the trail?

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<v Speaker 1>Would she trip and fall and then like go several

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<v Speaker 1>meters off into this bush into the swampy area, like

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<v Speaker 1>stumbling like all this way? That doesn't make any sense now.

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<v Speaker 1>The very next day after the autotopsy, Gatlin County Sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Slaughter spoke to the press and downplayed the likelihood

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<v Speaker 1>of murder, citing the fact that Danny's body supposedly didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any obvious cuts or bruises, saying, quote, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to be prepared for the fact that this

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<v Speaker 1>may have been an accidental drowning. Now he even speculated

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<v Speaker 1>that perhaps Danny, who had the knee brace on, might

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<v Speaker 1>have slipped, been unable to get up, and drowned in

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<v Speaker 1>only a few inches of water. Just as your face shows,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a little bit shocked. Danny's family. While they were

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<v Speaker 1>shocked to at any suggestion that her death was accidental,

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence of a sexual assault alone should have put

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<v Speaker 1>the accident theory to rest. But to make things worse,

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<v Speaker 1>Danny's parents were initially told by investigators that their daughter

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<v Speaker 1>quote died a virgin, which was a blatant lie given

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<v Speaker 1>the autopsy findings of vaginal injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>What the heck? So okay, I can't imagine how frustrating

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<v Speaker 2>or heartbreaking this is. They know something is wrong here, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one is taking it seriously exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not only the family who knows, because like

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<v Speaker 1>they're close to the case, it's their daughter. The entire

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<v Speaker 1>community is just like.

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<v Speaker 2>What, yeah, okay, how can that person even stand up

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<v Speaker 2>there and just say this sort of thing without feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like a complete idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>It almost seems like some officials, like in nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>were actively withholding information, or at the very least misleading

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<v Speaker 1>the family. Maybe I don't know, Maybe they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid like having fear strike into the community. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>They maybe they didn't want to admit that a murderer

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<v Speaker 1>was loose. I don't know. But regardless, it was either

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<v Speaker 1>complete lack of due diligence showing nothing but ignorance, or

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<v Speaker 1>severely in moral ways to investigate. It's one of the two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, what they're doing doesn't seem quite right,

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<v Speaker 2>because people do. I mean, I get they have to

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<v Speaker 2>withhold some information and stuff, but if it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>murder versus not, that's something people probably should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the family knew this was complete nonsense. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>idea of an accidental death simply because she wore knee

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<v Speaker 1>brace well, it's absurd, and as Danny's sister Stephanie would

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<v Speaker 1>say years later, quote anyone who saw the details could

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<v Speaker 1>confidently say this was a homicide. It's always been a homicide. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Frustration with the investigation only grew as time passed. No

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<v Speaker 1>suspect was immediately identified in nineteen ninety six, and given

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<v Speaker 1>the initial undetermined ruling, it seemed the case lacked the

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<v Speaker 1>urgency of any sort of murder hunt, Sheriff Slaughter and

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<v Speaker 1>his administration, according to later critiques, just didn't pursue with vigor.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the first deputies on scene, Keith Farquhar, recalled

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that his department's leadership was too quick to dismiss

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<v Speaker 1>the death as an accident or hint at the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of suicide, and that it never felt like they were

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<v Speaker 1>treating it as a full on homicide investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>His attitude from every thing I saw was we just

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<v Speaker 1>want this over with end quote.

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<v Speaker 2>M that Okay, I just feel like there's something else

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<v Speaker 2>going on here, because I feel like a young girl

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<v Speaker 2>getting hurt is enough motivation to do almost anything if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in that position of power. So I just feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are they hiding or what's going on here? It

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<v Speaker 2>seems like there's just more to this.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's so many people in the world who just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they just do the bare minimum to get

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<v Speaker 1>away with their job, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. But when when it's like a this is

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<v Speaker 2>like a life death kind of thing, you think you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be doing the.

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<v Speaker 1>Bare minimum, but people still do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they get complacent or whatever. I guess right.

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<v Speaker 1>Complacent's a good word, and I think that's what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>here now. This whole sentiment was also echoed by other

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<v Speaker 1>deputies and detectives too. It wasn't just him. Cindy Botek,

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<v Speaker 1>a Gatlin County Sheriff's detective who joined the force just

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<v Speaker 1>days before Danny's death, later said, quote, it never appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be a priority. Now, that's basically for the original

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<v Speaker 1>investigators to chase down leads on a murder case sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, right. But despite these internal doubts, though official officially,

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<v Speaker 1>the case well, it just sat stale and with no

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<v Speaker 1>arrests and no public naming of even a person of interest,

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<v Speaker 1>Danny's murder simply became a cold case. But that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was forgotten, not entirely anyways. Over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>some investigators, like Detective Bodick would circle back to the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Bodeck herself ended up picking up the file around two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six when she joined the detective unit and

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<v Speaker 1>tried to find new leads, And when she did, she

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<v Speaker 1>found that she was stonewalled by some of the very

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<v Speaker 1>officers who had worked the original investigation, the implication being

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<v Speaker 1>that they didn't appreciate scrutiny on what might have been

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<v Speaker 1>something that was mishandled, so they didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>proven wrong or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, EGO should not be brought into this.

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<v Speaker 1>Shouldn't be But that's exactly what she was finding. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was very much so an op pill battle. But

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<v Speaker 1>she made an attempt regardless though now. She eventually retired

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen without seeing Danny's case solved, and all

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<v Speaker 1>through that time, through the late nineties and even through

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<v Speaker 1>two thousands, the Houchin family well, they lived a very

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<v Speaker 1>painful limbo existence. They knew Danny had been murdered, but

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<v Speaker 1>they had no justice and worse, no answers. Yet years

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<v Speaker 1>turned into decades. Sheriff Bill Slaughter retired in the year

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand. Subsequent sheriffs inherited the cold case, but as

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<v Speaker 1>I already kind of eluded, they made little headway, and

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<v Speaker 1>the question of who killed Danny Houchins lingered quietly in

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<v Speaker 1>the background. All the while. Stephanie Houchin's especially was deeply

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<v Speaker 1>scarred by the loss of her sister and the lack

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<v Speaker 1>of closure. She was only twelve years old when Danny died,

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<v Speaker 1>and Stephanie grew up under the shadow of this trauma,

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<v Speaker 1>involving nightmares, waking up sobbing in the middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 1>those sort of things. Like most everyone else, she always

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<v Speaker 1>knew it couldn't have been an accident. She knew it

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<v Speaker 1>had to have been a murder, and by late twenty tens,

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<v Speaker 1>over twenty years had passed since Danny's death, but Stephanie

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<v Speaker 1>had not given up hope that her sister's killer could

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<v Speaker 1>be found. In fact, a revolutionary development in another case

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<v Speaker 1>would soon inspire her to urge a new approach to

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<v Speaker 1>Danny's Colt case. It was April of twenty eighteen when

421
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<v Speaker 1>true crime history was made with California authorities announcing the

422
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<v Speaker 1>arrest of the infamous Golden State Killer after decades of

423
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<v Speaker 1>eluding justice. And it was all thanks to a cutting

424
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<v Speaker 1>edge technique known as forensic genetic genealogy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This case was solved by matching crime scene DNA to

427
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<v Speaker 1>distant relatives in genealogy databases places such as ancestry dot com,

428
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<v Speaker 1>and it made headlines worldwide when they caught this guy.

429
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<v Speaker 1>One person who was paying close attention to those headlines

430
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<v Speaker 1>was Stephanie, and she wondered, if such a technique could

431
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<v Speaker 1>catch a serial killer you know from the seventies or eighties,

432
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<v Speaker 1>why couldn't it be applied to identify a person who

433
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<v Speaker 1>murdered her sister in nineteen ninety six. So Stephanie began

434
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<v Speaker 1>contacting the Gatlin County Sheriff's office repeatedly in twenty eighteen

435
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<v Speaker 1>and twenty nineteen, urging them to consider using DNA genealogy

436
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<v Speaker 1>for Danny's cold case. At first, she just got mild

437
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in lukewarm responses, but Stephanie did not let up. She

438
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<v Speaker 1>knew there was DNA evidence from the crime scene, the

439
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.240
<v Speaker 1>strands of hair being found and possibly preserved all those years,

440
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<v Speaker 1>so she was determined to see it tested with the

441
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<v Speaker 1>latest methods. Her persistence coincided with some changes in the

442
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's office, too, and that would ultimately prove to be crucial.

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<v Speaker 1>It was twenty nineteen when a new sheriff, Captain Max Boxmeyer,

444
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<v Speaker 1>took an interest in the Houchin's case. He quietly began

445
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<v Speaker 1>reinvestigating the final that year. He even reached out to

446
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<v Speaker 1>the Houchin's family in early twenty twenty to discuss the

447
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<v Speaker 1>sensitive prospect of you know reopening the case, knowing it

448
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<v Speaker 1>would mean stirring up some old pain, but the family, well,

449
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<v Speaker 1>they quickly agreed they could deal with those old wounds

450
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<v Speaker 1>being reopened if it meant finding the truth. However, lingering

451
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:26.359
<v Speaker 1>distrust in authorities left them with some hesitation, but nonetheless

452
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<v Speaker 1>they were still willing to work with any officers who

453
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<v Speaker 1>were genuinely committed to solving Danny's case. So now a

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<v Speaker 1>significant turning point came. In twenty twenty one, Dan Springer,

455
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<v Speaker 1>who had actually been a young deputy in the department

456
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<v Speaker 1>at the time of Danny's murder, was elected as the

457
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<v Speaker 1>new Gatlin County Sheriff. Springer had never forgotten the case

458
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<v Speaker 1>that occurred just five days after he was sworn in

459
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<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen ninety six, and upon becoming sheriff, Springer

460
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<v Speaker 1>vowed to bring fresh eyes to this cold case, and

461
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>he assembled a small team dedicated to going wherever, and

462
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<v Speaker 1>I mean wherever the evidence led, no matter how much

463
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<v Speaker 1>time has passed. One of Sheriff Springer's first moves was

464
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<v Speaker 1>to bring in outside expertise, and by early twenty twenty three,

465
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<v Speaker 1>he connected with Thomas Elfmont, a retired LAPD homicide captain,

466
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<v Speaker 1>who had relocated to Montana. Now, Alfmont had decades of

467
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>investigative experience and now ran a global security firm, and

468
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<v Speaker 1>he was willing to lend his skills to help crack

469
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<v Speaker 1>this mystery death of Danny Springer. Swore Elfmont in as

470
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<v Speaker 1>a special deputy, granting him full authority to investigate this

471
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<v Speaker 1>case with a fresh perspective, and together they also enlisted

472
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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Court Dupwig from Newport Beach, California, who was an

473
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<v Speaker 1>expert in solving cold homicide cases with DNA technology. This

474
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<v Speaker 1>new investigative team re examined everything they combed through the

475
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<v Speaker 1>old case files, evidence on toops of reports, all of

476
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<v Speaker 1>it uncovering in the process some shocking oversights from previous

477
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 1>investigators and authorities. For instance, in mid twenty twenty three,

478
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<v Speaker 1>while reviewing physical evidence, they discovered something that had been

479
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:18.319
<v Speaker 1>missed or not reported publicly for decades, which was the

480
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>fact that traces of seamen were found on Danny's underwear.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Are you shitting me? Yeah, but they said that she

482
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 2>was just.

483
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<v Speaker 1>A virgin and that it wasn't an assault. Yet there

484
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 1>was sulli, Yet there was vaginal lacerations found in the autopsy,

485
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>and traces of semen found on her underwear. How can

486
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>that be possible?

487
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is just not okay at all.

488
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's critical evidence.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is not doing your job at Like, oh okay,

490
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just flabbergasted here.

491
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And yet these people were in power and they

492
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>knew they didn't do a good job because when people

493
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>started questioning them later, when other sheriffs or investigators started

494
00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 1>looking at the case again, they're just like, yeah, like,

495
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<v Speaker 1>fuck off, don't question us.

496
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<v Speaker 2>Oh that doesn't make any sense to me. I feel like,

497
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it does happen occasionally, but gosh, if you're

498
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<v Speaker 2>in that kind of position, you need to take your

499
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<v Speaker 2>job seriously.

500
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's life or death for other people. And even

501
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 1>at the very minimum, if you're not including life or death,

502
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 1>it could mean, you know what, closure for an entire

503
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 1>family answering a question. If you don't do your job

504
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 1>and you just say, oh, it's an accident, now you

505
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.599
<v Speaker 1>have this whole family and the community knowing you're lying

506
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>and living on fear this entire time.

507
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<v Speaker 2>Well, my biggest fear is that this family knew who

508
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.720
<v Speaker 2>did it or something right, and like had a relationship

509
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.599
<v Speaker 2>with this person and it continued or something, right, So

510
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm just sitting back like, oh gosh, I

511
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<v Speaker 2>hope that's not the case.

512
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, this critical piece of evidence, as I said,

513
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the sample of semen that was found, it had somehow

514
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 1>either been overlooked or not fully tested. Back in nineteen

515
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>ninety six, it was a job dropping find a definitive

516
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>confirmation of sexual assault by men predator. So in August

517
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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty three, armed with this new analysis, Sheriff

518
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<v Speaker 1>Springer officially changed Danny's manner of death from undetermined to

519
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>homicide once and for all.

520
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Hoof, that's a big deal.

521
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 1>It's a big deal. Meanwhile, efforts were already underway to

522
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>use the preserved DNA evidence for genealogical testing. Investigators sent

523
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 1>the four unknown hairs found on Danny's body to a

524
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 1>specialized lab in California known for handling degraded DNA. Now,

525
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>these samples, specifically weren't hairs with roots, which contain a

526
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.279
<v Speaker 1>lot more DNA in them. They were rootless arm hairs,

527
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>which typically have only trace amounts of DNA. But technology

528
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 1>had advanced dramatically since the nineties, and the lab Arstea

529
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<v Speaker 1>Forensics managed to extract enough genetic material from one of

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00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the hairs to build a partial DNA profile of the

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<v Speaker 1>potential suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's I was not thinking that it was going

533
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.200
<v Speaker 2>to be our mayor's Yeah, that blows my mind. Now.

534
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<v Speaker 1>Initially, this DNA profile was run through COTIS, the FBI's

535
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Combined DNA Index system, which holds millions of DNA profiles

536
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 1>of convicted offenders from arrestees. No match turned up, which

537
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>meant the person who left those hairs had never been

538
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>convicted before. So, with COTIS failing to identify anyone, the

539
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 1>team moved on to more revolutionary approaches, the forensic genetic genealogy.

540
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.359
<v Speaker 1>So this technique that had nabbed the Golden State Killer

541
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and many others in recent years. It worked by taking

542
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>DNA profile from the crime scene evidence and uploading it

543
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 1>to commercial as ancestry databases, the one that I mentioned

544
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.039
<v Speaker 1>like ancestry dot com. Right, So this is going to

545
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:57.039
<v Speaker 1>find relatives of the unknown suspect. Basically, if any distant

546
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>cousin or aunt or uncle, anyone who may have you

547
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>know what, submitted their own DNA to a public genealogy

548
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>service and they are related to the killer, they might

549
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>show up as a match, maybe a second cousin, whatever,

550
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:13.039
<v Speaker 1>And then by finding these family matches, skilled genealogists can

551
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>now build out a family tree and zero in on

552
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 1>the suspect from there. So to tackle this complex task,

553
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the Gatlin County team turned to one of the country's

554
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:27.519
<v Speaker 1>best known genetic genealogists, CC Moore. Now CC was working

555
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>with Parabon Nanolabs in Virginia. They had helped solve dozens

556
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>of cases using this technology before and when the detailed

557
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>DNA from Danny's case was passed to them, well, the

558
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 1>painstaking research began. Months went by as CC and her

559
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>colleagues analyzed the genetic profile from these armhairs and search

560
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>for any notable matches in any databases. Bit by bit,

561
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 1>they piece together a possible family tree for Danny's unknown killer.

562
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>This is very time consuming work. They don't just plunk

563
00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>it in and just get a family tree on a

564
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>website and say, oh, well, there's the killer. This often

565
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 1>involves historical records, obituaries, public documents, and sometimes even contacting

566
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 1>family members directly to ask about their extended family and relatives.

567
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.839
<v Speaker 1>In this case, the genetic genealogist was able to connect

568
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>DNA from the crime scene to four of the suspects,

569
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the unknown suspects grandparents, so they were able to confirm

570
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>whoever did the killing. These are their grandparents.

571
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, WHOA. So that's freaking exciting.

572
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 1>It is. This dramatically narrowed down the suspect pool, and

573
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>before long they zeroed in on someone in this family

574
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 1>tree of these grandparents who had a name, and his

575
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 1>name was Paul Nathaniel Hutchinson. Now it's not it's very

576
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 1>close to Danny's name, Danny Houchins. This is Hutchinson. It's

577
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>not a relationship, right, Okay. So digging into his background,

578
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.720
<v Speaker 1>they discovered why he evaded notice for so long. In

579
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six, Paul was a twenty seven year old

580
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:08.039
<v Speaker 1>graduate student at Montana State University in Bozeman. He had

581
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<v Speaker 1>only recently moved to the area around the time that

582
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Danny was killed. He wasn't a known troublemaker. In fact,

583
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>he had no criminal history at all. Paul went on

584
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 1>built a quiet life, a respectable life, even, you may argue.

585
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>He earned a master's degree in Fisheries and Wildlife biology

586
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 1>and eventually took a job with the US Bureau of

587
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Land Management or BLM as a fisheries biologist. By twenty

588
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.599
<v Speaker 1>ten's he was working out of Dylan, Montana, roughly one

589
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:38.039
<v Speaker 1>hundred miles southeast of where Danny was killed, and he'd

590
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>been working with BLM for twenty two years. Paul was

591
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 1>also married for over two decades and had two kids,

592
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and by all outward accounts, he was a stable family

593
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>man and an avid out doorsman. It was a profile

594
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>that stunned investigators when they figured this out. Could this

595
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 1>fifty five year old husband, father biologist really be the

596
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 1>person who raped and killed a fifteen year old girl

597
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.519
<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen ninety six. It was hard to reconcile,

598
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>and yet the science was pointing directly at him. Sheriff

599
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Springer's team gathered more intelligence on Paul. Quietly, they confirmed

600
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.119
<v Speaker 1>that in September of nineteen ninety six, he indeed lived

601
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>in Bozeman for grad school, placing him in the vicinity

602
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.199
<v Speaker 1>of the crime. If he frequented outdoor spots, you know what,

603
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it's conceivable that he might have gone fishing or exploring

604
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>at Cameron Bridge, where he may have randomly encountered Danny

605
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that day. Investigators theorized that this was a chance encounter,

606
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 1>a crime of opportunity by a predator who saw young

607
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 1>girl alone and seized the moment. Since there was no

608
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 1>evidence that connected Danny to Paul, he didn't know her

609
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>or anything. They were just complete strangers. By the summer

610
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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty four, the Gatlin County Sheriff's Office had

611
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>enough confidence in the DNA and genealogical evidence. However, they

612
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>based a challenge because the DNA profile from the hair

613
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.719
<v Speaker 1>technically was a partial profile and not yet confirmed with

614
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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent certainty that it was in fact Paul Hutchinson.

615
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.360
<v Speaker 1>They didn't have probable cause to just go simply arrest

616
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>him or take a DNA swamp to test. What they

617
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>did need, though, was DNA to test and actually compare

618
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.559
<v Speaker 1>the two to see. So legally they needed more and

619
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 1>ideally they wanted to obtain his DNA for that direct comparison,

620
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.760
<v Speaker 1>but doing so can take time, you know, having people

621
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 1>trail him wait around for the right opportunity of a

622
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>discarded cup that he'd been drinking from, or a cigarette

623
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<v Speaker 1>butt or something. So instead of waiting, they decided on

624
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a different approach. They wanted to confront him in an

625
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 1>interview and gage his reaction. Sometimes a suspects behavior under

626
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 1>questioning can be quite revealing, and in the best case,

627
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 1>he might even volunteer a DNA sample or you know what,

628
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 1>admit to his crimes. So on July twenty third, twenty

629
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 1>twenty four, investigators made their move. They drove to Dylan, Montana,

630
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.840
<v Speaker 1>where Paul worked, to interview him. Unexpectedly, there they found

631
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Paul outside the BLM Field office unloading a pickup truck

632
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>with a couple of coworkers. They approached him with badges

633
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 1>in hand, you know saying who they are, and asked

634
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:21.079
<v Speaker 1>to speak with them. The effect on Paul was reportedly instantaneous,

635
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:26.199
<v Speaker 1>as he turned pale white immediately. Paul rarely agreed to

636
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.119
<v Speaker 1>the interview, and for nearly two hours in a conference

637
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>room or an office at his workplace, the detectives questioned

638
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Paul about the events on September twenty one, nineteen ninety six. Now,

639
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.199
<v Speaker 1>they deliberately did not mention that he was under arrest,

640
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>because he wasn't. This was a voluntary conversation. The goal, though,

641
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 1>was partly to observe his demeanor and possibly prompt you

642
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 1>a confession or at least inconsistencies in his story to

643
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>strengthen their investigation. Now, Paul did not confess, but his

644
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 1>body language spoke volumes. According to investigators, he was a

645
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>wreck during the interview. He was extremely nervous start to finish,

646
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 1>sweating profusely, biting or chewing on his hand, and repeatedly

647
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 1>scratching on his face in an agitated manner.

648
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, he would never have expected.

649
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>This to no, especially after this long right, so he

650
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>was not prepared.

651
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I'm loving this. He should be fricking uncomfortable now.

652
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:27.320
<v Speaker 1>At one point, they presented him a photo of Danny,

653
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and Paul visibly slumped in his chair at the sight

654
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 1>of this photo, as if the weight of the whole

655
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 1>moment hit him physically. He grew even more uncomfortable and

656
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 1>had no good explanation for anything. As the entire interview

657
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.039
<v Speaker 1>went on, the detectives noticed every little telltale sign of

658
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>fear in the man now sitting before him, and by

659
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the end of the questioning they were more convinced than

660
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 1>ever that they had the right guy. They still couldn't

661
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 1>make an arrest, though they needed to directly match his

662
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>DNA first, otherwise their case could fall apart. In court

663
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>after the interview, Officers kept a very close eye on

664
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 1>him as he drove off, and interestingly, Paul didn't just

665
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>head straight home calmly. Instead, he drove his vehicle in

666
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a strange, erratic pattern, possibly even checking if he was

667
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 1>being followed, and investigators described it as if he were

668
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:23.159
<v Speaker 1>performing counter surveillance maneuvers, perhaps a sign that he was

669
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>paranoid about being tailed and indeed he was subtly.

670
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Being tailed well and had something to hide.

671
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Correct now. Eventually, though, he lost a police surveillance and

672
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 1>they decided not to pursue aggressively and tip him off.

673
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, they were trying to keep a distance and

674
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>he was able to get away. You know, they hadn't

675
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>charged him with anything yet. They didn't want to be

676
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 1>too pressuring him too much, I guess is the best

677
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>way to put it. The plan now, though, was to

678
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:54.199
<v Speaker 1>regroup and figure out how to get a definitive DNA sample. Then,

679
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 1>in the early predawn hours of the very next day,

680
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:01.519
<v Speaker 1>July twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, as detectives were now

681
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 1>strategizing their next move, Paul Hutchinson made a decision of

682
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 1>his own. Sometime around four am, he phoned the Beaverhead

683
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:14.360
<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff's office, which is the local county for Dylan.

684
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.159
<v Speaker 1>He phoned from his cell phone and in a brief,

685
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 1>odd call, he stated that he needed some assistance with

686
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 1>his vehicle, gave a location, and then abruptly hung up.

687
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>After police received the strange phone call from Paul, they

688
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>were dispatched to the spot where he said he was

689
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>having vehicle trouble, which was a roadside area west of Dylan.

690
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 1>What they found there ended any hope of a traditional

691
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:45.360
<v Speaker 1>path to justice because they found Paul Hutchinson dead sitting

692
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 1>in his car. He had shot himself with a thirty

693
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 1>eight caliber pistol, ending his life in an apparent suicide.

694
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was wondering if that was going to happen,

695
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.880
<v Speaker 2>but I just feel like, Wow, he took the ease

696
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 2>way out there. Hey, what a complete coward.

697
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the man who evaded responsibility for twenty eight years

698
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 1>chose to evade it once again by taking his own life.

699
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.679
<v Speaker 1>And this happened barely ten hours after the investigators had

700
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.119
<v Speaker 1>first approached him for the interview. For the law enforcement

701
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 1>team and for Danny's family, the news of this suicide

702
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.159
<v Speaker 1>was a gut punch of mixed emotions. On one hand,

703
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 1>this seemed to effectively provide a kind of confirmation of guilt.

704
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.760
<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, if this was true, then

705
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.679
<v Speaker 1>his death meant there would be no arrest, no trial,

706
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>no public reckoning in a courtroom, nothing. Investigators quickly moved

707
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Paul's body into custody, and crucially, they collected DNA samples

708
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>from him during post mortem procedures.

709
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's one way to get it, eh.

710
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 1>The samples were then sent for immediate comparison to the

711
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>crime scene DNA profile from Danny's case. It was a

712
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>moment of truth, the one that everyone had been waiting

713
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight years four. Within days, by the end of

714
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.199
<v Speaker 1>July twenty twenty four, the results came back from the lab.

715
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 1>The DNA was a complete match. The profile from the

716
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 1>hair found on Danny's body match Paul Hutchinson's own DNA

717
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>with essentially one hundred percent certainty. The statistical odds of

718
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 1>it being anyone else was astronomically small.

719
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.760
<v Speaker 2>This nasty piece of shit. Hey, he was literally twenty

720
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 2>seven years old and she was fifteen. Yeah, like what

721
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 2>like that is just so disgusting.

722
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.320
<v Speaker 1>And then he chose to just run away from it all.

723
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

724
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Not only that, but he's also leaving behind his wife

725
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 1>and children in the wake.

726
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, and the fact that he got to live these

727
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 2>extra twenty eight years is just it's that just sucks.

728
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I agree. But ultimately this means Danny's killer was in

729
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.679
<v Speaker 1>fact identified. It was bittersweet. They had solved the case

730
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 1>and kept their promise to never give up finding the

731
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 1>truth for Danny. Yet the suicide meant the case would be,

732
00:41:58.440 --> 00:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you know what, closed in a way no one idea

733
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 1>he wanted. There'd be no opportunity to possibly get more

734
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 1>information out of Paul, to ask why he did it,

735
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>whether he stocked Danny or it. Truly was a spur

736
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 1>the moment attack. You know, whether he'd done similar crimes before.

737
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Or after, Yeah, because that was pretty brutal, you can

738
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 2>only expect he did other things.

739
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So all those answers just died with them. Now,

740
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.320
<v Speaker 1>investigators didn't know if that Paul had no prior criminal

741
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>record and was not linked to other cases using the

742
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:33.280
<v Speaker 1>genealogy testing. Still, given his extreme actions, authorities in Montana

743
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 1>quietly began looking into other unsolved cases in the region

744
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 1>to see if he might be connected, especially any assaults

745
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 1>or murders near where he lived over the years. As

746
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>of now, he has not been tied to any other crimes,

747
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:50.360
<v Speaker 1>but that possibility remains open. On August eighth, twenty twenty four,

748
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>at the Gatlin County Sheriff's office held a press conference

749
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that Danny's family had waited for twenty eight years. Flanked

750
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.280
<v Speaker 1>by photos of Danny and aided by the diligent team

751
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that cracked the case, Sheriff Dan Springer announced to the

752
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 1>world that the nineteen ninety six murder of Danielle Danny

753
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Houchins had been solved and that the killer was identified

754
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>as Paul Nathaniel Hutchinson, who was fifty five years old.

755
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.159
<v Speaker 1>He was a man who tragically would never face justice

756
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 1>in court because he had taken his own life shortly

757
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 1>after being identified. And standing besides the sheriff when he

758
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:29.480
<v Speaker 1>announced all this was Stephanie Houchins or now Stephanie Mullett,

759
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Danny's sister, who was thirty nine years old. Stephanie had

760
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 1>been the driving force from the family side, never letting

761
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>authorities forget Danny's case, and when it was her turn

762
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>to speak, Stephanie delivered a very powerful and emotionally charged

763
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.159
<v Speaker 1>statement on behalf of her family and her long lost sister.

764
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 1>In her speech, she vividly described what happened to Danny,

765
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.079
<v Speaker 1>how this man had raped her and then held her

766
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 1>down in the marsh until she choked on mud and died.

767
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>She also spoke about Paul's suicide and didn't hold back, saying, quote,

768
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 1>when the time came to face up and account for

769
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>his violence, he instead chose to end his life. He

770
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.199
<v Speaker 1>knew of his guilt and couldn't face my family or

771
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:17.119
<v Speaker 1>his family and the pain he caused. End quote. In

772
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.199
<v Speaker 1>those words, she labeled him as a coward, without using

773
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the word itself, a man who literally ran from justice

774
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.639
<v Speaker 1>in the final hour. Importantly, though, Stephanie did not shy

775
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.159
<v Speaker 1>away from criticizing how the case was handled back in

776
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:34.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six either. She recounted the many ways that

777
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the system failed her sister and her family. She reminded

778
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 1>everyone that the evidence of the homicide had always been there.

779
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.360
<v Speaker 1>There was, in fact, bruising on the back of Danny's

780
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.280
<v Speaker 1>neck indicating that she was forced down, the mud found

781
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 1>in her stomach, the state of her clothing, the hair

782
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>samples found the seaman that was recovered from her underwear,

783
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Yet those in charge in nineteen ninety six chose to

784
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.360
<v Speaker 1>label the death as undetermined and even lie to her

785
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 1>parents about the sexual assault. She also revealed that some

786
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 1>evidence had been mishandled or lost over the years, such

787
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.559
<v Speaker 1>as the seamen that was never mentioned. Such as the

788
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 1>very watch that her mother lent Danny that day, the

789
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>crime lab reportedly somehow lost it. Even the very crucial

790
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.639
<v Speaker 1>hair evidence that was ultimately the thing that solved the case.

791
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>It had been misfiled for years, an astounding error that

792
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 1>delayed justice even further. Still, Stephanie, she expressed deep gratitude

793
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.119
<v Speaker 1>for those who finally stepped up and refused to let

794
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Danny's case remain unsolved. Danny's family at last had an

795
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.280
<v Speaker 1>answer of who did it, a huge weight off their shoulders,

796
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>but they were left to process a very fresh wave

797
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 1>of grief from Danny. As for Paul's wife of twenty

798
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 1>four years and his two children, they were stunned by

799
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.440
<v Speaker 1>this revelation. By all accounts, he had been a good

800
00:45:57.519 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 1>husband and father in their eyes. They never had an

801
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 1>inkling that back in nineteen ninety six, before he even

802
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.920
<v Speaker 1>met his wife, and birthed his kids he had committed

803
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>such a horrible act. His wife posted a public message

804
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 1>of condolence to the Houchin's family after learning the entire truth, saying, quote,

805
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>our hearts go out to the Houchin's family. They will

806
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 1>let last be able to find the closure they deserve.

807
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:26.079
<v Speaker 1>She also described being absolutely heartbroken and said that the

808
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>news made their own grieving from their loss so much

809
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>more complicated, as they now had to reconcile that the

810
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>man they loved was secretly a monster. In the community

811
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of Belgrade and Bozeman, people remember that fifteen year old

812
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 1>girl with a bright smile from nineteen ninety six and

813
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.440
<v Speaker 1>felt comforted that at long last, the question of who

814
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 1>killed her was finally answered. Danny's case is just one

815
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.039
<v Speaker 1>of several across the country and even more in recent years,

816
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:02.519
<v Speaker 1>where a suspect identified through genetic genius died by suicide

817
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.280
<v Speaker 1>before they could ever be arrested. It's a growing trend

818
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that showcases both the power of these new tools and

819
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the tragic reality that some offenders, when finally cornered after years,

820
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 1>choose to escape legal consequences through death. In the end,

821
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.360
<v Speaker 1>it's important to remember who was at the heart of

822
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:29.360
<v Speaker 1>this story, Danielle Danny Houchins herself. Today, Danny would be

823
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 1>forty five years old. If she was alive, she might

824
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>have become a biological engineer like she once aspired to be.

825
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Or perhaps she would have followed a different path, maybe

826
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.880
<v Speaker 1>using her love of outdoors in an environmental career or

827
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 1>starting a family of her own. But unfortunately we'll never know,

828
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 1>because a vicious crime cut her life short at just

829
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years old. But those who knew and loved her

830
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 1>while they keep her memory alive, and they have throughout

831
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>all these years. At the Cameron Bridge fishing access site

832
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:05.239
<v Speaker 1>across stands with the words Justice for Danny written across it,

833
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.559
<v Speaker 1>a tribute to a young life lost and a demand

834
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:13.719
<v Speaker 1>for her killer to be found, which thankfully has now

835
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 1>after twenty eight years, that justice has been realized in

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<v Speaker 1>the only way left possible now. Danny's story is an

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<v Speaker 1>example of how crucial it is for law enforcement to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to victim's families and never give up on finding

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<v Speaker 1>the truth. It also showcases the remarkable power of modern

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<v Speaker 1>forensic science. How a few tiny rootless hairs saved in

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<v Speaker 1>an evidence file for decades held the key to solving

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<v Speaker 1>a crime that once seemed unsolvable. Danny Houchin's case will

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<v Speaker 1>forever be part of Montana's history, not just because of

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<v Speaker 1>the tragedy that occurred, but because of the hard won

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<v Speaker 1>resolution that followed. Now, while the ending was not the

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<v Speaker 1>conventional justice system outcome, the truth was still uncovered and

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<v Speaker 1>in remembering Danny, those who knew her her as a fun, loving,

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<v Speaker 1>kind and ambitious girl who brought joy to those around her.

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<v Speaker 1>She deserved so much more in life. Though nothing can

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<v Speaker 1>bring her back, one hope remains that she can now

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<v Speaker 1>truly rest in peace, and that her family can sleep

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<v Speaker 1>a little easier at night, knowing that the mystery that

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<v Speaker 1>plagued them for decades has finally been put to rest.

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<v Speaker 1>Danny's story shows us that no matter how much time passes,

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<v Speaker 1>determination can light the way to justice, and even the

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<v Speaker 1>darkest secrets can eventually see the light of day. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the story of Danielle Houchin's.

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<v Speaker 2>Who. That is a story and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>YEP.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a few thoughts. First of all, I feel like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul is a nasty piece of shit. YEP, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what Paul's family would have felt, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his kids, for example, hearing that their dad did this too,

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<v Speaker 2>a fifteen year old girl. Yeah, oh my gosh, I

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't even I can't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why. I mean, like the kids, I'm sure maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not around that age of fifteen, they could be depending

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<v Speaker 1>on like when they had the kids, but thinking like

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<v Speaker 1>that could have been me someone that did that to me.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad is the monster to do those things. My

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<v Speaker 1>dad did that, like holy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also just want to touch on Stephanie too.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Danny would be proud of her. I

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<v Speaker 2>think so she everyone needs a Stephanie. I think, right,

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<v Speaker 2>should we?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you want to do the honors?

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<v Speaker 2>I do, well. I yeah, she's totally the badass of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, but what she did also shouldn't have had

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<v Speaker 2>to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>So she definitely is the badass of the day because

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<v Speaker 2>she did, you know, she really helped everything come together

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<v Speaker 2>with this, but it shouldn't have had to be that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think now would be a good time to

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<v Speaker 1>say that some of those those investigators and officers earlier

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<v Speaker 1>on in nineteen ninety six should not have been in

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<v Speaker 1>that field. They should not have had those jobs. Fuck

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<v Speaker 1>those guys, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I most of the cases, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they're done fairly well, like pretty good if we have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing against like investigators and stuff. But if you are

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<v Speaker 2>in that role, you do need to take it very seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>or you need to find a job that doesn't need

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<v Speaker 2>to be taken that seriously. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, like you need to treat a homicide with

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<v Speaker 1>more diligence than flipping a burger like, oh, okay, well

897
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<v Speaker 1>maybe I didn't cook the burger quite right. Whatever I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that technically still has implications if you have

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<v Speaker 1>raw or something like that. I guess, But I digress.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a person's life. This is affecting families, communities

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<v Speaker 1>so much more.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone got to live twenty eight years because of you.

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<v Speaker 2>And imagine like an extra twenty eight years when they

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<v Speaker 2>should not have them, when they should have been in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and imagine if he fed off that and he

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<v Speaker 1>became a serial killer. Oh imagine the lives that could

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<v Speaker 1>have cost potentially still have costs we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, hopefully he didn't do anything remotely like this

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel and else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he's a monster and we'll never get to

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<v Speaker 1>know because well he chose the easy way out.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm he did so.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, I'm glad I got to tell Danielle's story because

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<v Speaker 1>she deserves it.

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<v Speaker 2>She does.

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<v Speaker 1>And that guy, I hope he burns for eternity. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just put it that. I'll end it there. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being here. We appreciate you. Don't forget to check

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<v Speaker 1>your description for all the links and everything for this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us a rating if you can. We really appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes a long way. We are an indie show,

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<v Speaker 1>independently produced, independently owned, written, researched, hosted. All of it

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<v Speaker 1>is done by us in our tiny home, next to

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<v Speaker 1>our two dogs who are curled up waiting for the

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<v Speaker 1>show to end so they can go outside and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>go for a walk and have treats and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they do as soon as we say stay with

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<v Speaker 2>especially the one Ripley. She gets up and knows, okay

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<v Speaker 2>we can bug bug them again. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They know when it's recording time and when to chill,

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<v Speaker 1>and they know when when we're done and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when things move on. Actually, I just looked at her

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<v Speaker 1>and her ears starting to twitch, so she she knows.

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<v Speaker 1>So with that, thank you for being here. We really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you. You guys are incredible, and until next time,

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<v Speaker 1>stay wicked.
