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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland.

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Paranormal means all the things that are impossible to explain

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by non natural forces or by science, and Ireland is

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steep and lower, ghosts, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, hunger, desperation

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and charm. Oh and the paranormal. Welcome to Scary Era,

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Mark Manning Well, another year over and a new one's

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just be gone. Certainly, hope you had a fantastic Christmas

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and great holidays. Shortly we'll be hearing all things witchery

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from the lovely Vone Lawton in yourll County Park and

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then we go to the west of Galway. We're Philip

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Costello of Paranormal Awakenings Island, the Parts and all the

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ghostly goings on in Galway. I'd like to wish all

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our listeners a very happy two K two five, with

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a special thanks going to Paranormal UK Radio Network for

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platforming us. Right, let's get on with the shaw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, couple of things over the years, but I've

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learned well.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I suppose it's not learned. I've just become accustomed to it,

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and I think it's kind of it. It's maybe it's

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another sense or something. But often when you go into places,

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you will get a feeling for the place, and you'll

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get a feeling of whether or not it's comfortable. And

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whatever cause is that, who knows what causes that. But

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we have an intuition. We have an inbuilt intuition. I

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can't describe what it is or where it comes from,

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or the physics of it or the chemistry of it,

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but it's there, and anybody will will tell you to

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stick with your intuition. If you think something doesn't feel right,

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then don't hang around superb Vie.

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Speaker 3: It's from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn, aka.

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Speaker 4: The Squire, and don't hang around either. If you've got

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an Irish paranormal tale to tell, simply email Paranormal Ireland

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at ProtonMail dot com and it'll be read out for

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you before you get to tell it on air yourself.

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That's Paranormal Ireland at protonmale dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yvonne Lawton is a witch. She won't mind me saying

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that because she is stick around because you're going to

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find out all about witchcraft. Now she's involved with the

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Festival of Sown and she's going to tell us all

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about it. Before we went anywhere, though, I decided to

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ask her all about Yowl, where she operates out of

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a beautiful part of Ireland in County Cork on the

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southeast coast.

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Speaker 5: It's a real magical place. We have a most amazing

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festival every year called a Spirit of Son. But more

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than that, we have about twenty two witches and we

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meet minimum eight times a year to celebrate all the

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seasons and we work with nature and of one of

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the witchcraft. There wasn't very much witchcraft trials in Ireland

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because we Irish people love the supernatural and we understand

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that it goes hand in hand, you know, walks beside

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us on a different level, on a different vibration. So

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we had poor Florence Newton who was trial as a

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witch in you all, and I think we only had

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something like four witchcraft trials in Ireland, but you can

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go to Scotland and there was two and a half

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thousand witchcraft trials there.

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Speaker 1: I think also after Alice Kittler in Kenny At burnings

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of witches happened, not in Ireland.

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Speaker 5: We love our witches and we love our fairy people,

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and we've got a deep respect for the other world

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and we understand that, we know that the walkside beside us.

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the whole witchcraft thing, you'll see that a lot of

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the witchcraft trials were in Ireland even and you all

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used to be a garrison town where you had the Puritans,

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and that is probably one of the reasons why we

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would have had the witchcraft trials. But generally in Ireland

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there was there was no witchcraft trials at all, although

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as I said, there was four. So you take the

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whole country of Ireland and there was only four witchcraft trials,

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absolutely amazing when everything else was going on in Scotland

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and England in Europe. But we have a deep respect

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for the world of the invisible.

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Speaker 1: I think Alice Kittler herself escaped. I think didn't she

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believe well, she.

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Speaker 5: Escaped, Yeah, she escaped to England because she had money,

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and then it was her poor maid that they burnt instead. Petronella,

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it's a maid's name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd forgotten it. But I want to roll back

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to yall if your pardon the poond because it is

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on the southeast right it is. You say it's a

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magical place, there's a magical sounding name. It's spelt yo

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ug h a or some people say h l describe it.

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Speaker 5: For us, it's a medieval town. It has in the

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center of the town is the clock tower, and before

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they would have held prisoners in the clock tower. In fact,

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I believe some people areung off but at some stage.

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But before that, there was a place called Trinity Gates,

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and they believe that Florence Newton, who was child of

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the Witch, might have been held there. Our town walls,

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I believe over a thousand years old, and you can

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still walk the town walls today. It's absolutely steeped in history.

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So Walter Relly was here. They believe Spencer who wrote

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a lot of historical people that lived in the town itself.

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made in Ullis. We have hundreds and hundred years of

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history within the town. And the amazing thing is like

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when you walk through the town, you can actually see

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the town walls, you can stand in the town walls,

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you can go and visit the clock tower. It was

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also one of the richest ports in Ireland as well,

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and they used to stop here and wash people's feet

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who would go on pilgrimages to after Jerusalem. And we

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had four different types of monks here as well, So

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it's like the history here is absolutely endless. I believe

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it's about maybe six thousand people that live here at

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the moment. Obviously we have the beaches, we have the

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river Blackwater. You can go on a boat Tony Gallerher's

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boat and Blackwater Cruises, and you can go and see

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the mountains. You can see a very old monastery as well,

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which is on the side of the river. So it's

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absolutely steeped in history. It's a phenomenal place to visit

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and during the year then we have all different festivals

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to celebrate obviously different seasons as well.

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Speaker 1: It's on the estuary, isn't it of the river?

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Speaker 5: It is fron of the most of the Blackwater where

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the Blackwater meets the sea.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful and to see. Of course, that's the whole maritime

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history and a military history to the area.

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Speaker 5: There is. It's absolutely huge. What is what we have

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within the town is amazing, especially if you're a history

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buff and if you do like witchcraft and magic, we

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can we also cater to that. So there's something for everybody.

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at the side of it's very user friendly, so if

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you want to push a bogie. For those who need

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grown wheelchairs, you know they can experience the beach as well.

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Speaker 1: You've painted a beautiful picture of the area and not

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only is it physically beautiful, but you know you've created

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that spell bound kind of imagery of it as well,

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with the medieval references and the and the gates and

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places that is immersed in history. Talk to me about

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the spirit of Sound.

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Speaker 5: The Spirit of Saun rather than Halloween, celebrates what Saun

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in the Hill of Tara. Because we do have a

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magical community here and we've got something like, as we said,

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twenty two witches. And not only do we have witches

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from Ireland. We have them from Wales, Scotland, Brazil, America,

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so we have quite a range of witches of cultures.

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about working with the elements. It's about working with the seasons.

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recognizing that everything has a spirit. We have put together

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a festival called the Spirit of Sound and it's two

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days and it's basically based around the story, well it's

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not a story, it's it's an actual tale of a

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lady who is called I'm Vanishka. So I'm Vanishkat translated

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from Irish to English is the woman of the Water.

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from my grandmother. She tells the story. She used to

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tell the story about how my great grandfather and his

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brother they're out fishing one of the mornings and the

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fog came in and they got lost and they didn't

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know the way back to shore, and this lady rose

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up from the water and she pointed them back in

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the direction of the all town itself. That story got

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passed down through all our family. So we've kind of

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adapted that story and we've made it into one. You

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know that spirit people believe. Some people believe the spirits

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are bad, but obviously this is a very good spirit.

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you know, we've celebrated the spirit world in other worlds.

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We have obviously lots of different things going on, and

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we celebrate Flarence Newton, who's the Witch of yours, and

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we have a lot of things going on for the kids.

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we have a ritual. We have over twenty two witches

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come together and they do the most beautiful ritual on

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the beach, and everybody from the town comes and they watch,

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and we call in our ancestors, we remember all of

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those who've gone before us, all of those yet to come,

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and we dance and we sing, and everybody gets to

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witness what witches really do, not what they think they do,

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or not what they've seen in Hollywood, but what witchcraft

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is all about. And it's so busy and people absolutely

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love it and they're moved to tears. And last year

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lucky enough to have the Grim Reaper coming onto the beach,

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and we had this beautiful, big white horse called Luna,

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and the grim Reaper came and he walked around the

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fire three times, and we went up through the town

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with him. And it's just about the celebrating life and

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also celebrating zebt as well. So lucky to be able

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to do that now, whereas before, you know, those who

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had those poor witches who were burned to the stake

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or they were home, they didn't get to be able

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to celebrate what, you know, their passion or you know,

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how they felt about the world because people painted them

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in a real death way because they were free spirits

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and they weren't being ruled by the church.

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Speaker 1: Does it happen at nighttime?

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Speaker 5: It happens at nighttime. It happens on the night of

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Seo in itself at seven o'clock, and it's truly incredible.

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Speaker 1: I'd say it is. Again, it might send a stupid question,

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but what do witches wear? Have you got any particular garb?

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Speaker 5: No? No, it's like you can meet some you can, yeah,

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or it's like anybody else. Some people might like to

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dress to dress up and address. So you know, people

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have a have they think dresses witches dress with these

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with the hats the witch. But I mean and everybody

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puts them on. But that kind of became popular from

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the Wizard of Oz in the nineteen forty I.

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Speaker 1: Little Dog Kill.

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Speaker 5: And that's it, and that's why. I mean, you see

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which is painted green. So a lot of that comes

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from from that movie, The Wizard of Us. Now before

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in the I think the sixteen seventeen hundreds in Germany,

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when women were pouring beer, they would have used the

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hats like that. So when you went to an establishment,

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a woman would have been wearing a hat like that

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and you knew that she was serving beer. So she

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was a beer maker. She made she she made manufactured beer,

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and you going new that for your points. That's it,

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so kind of that's that's that's where all of that

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comes from. But you know, like when we go onto

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the beach, we do dress up, we wear cloaks, and

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you warm. And I suppose it's kind of our nod

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to the ancient or to those who came before us,

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Speaker 1: And beautiful and areations or singing.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, there's lots of incantations. There's lots of singing

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the winter. Sold stuff on the beach at half eight

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it with them for years now. But anybody can come along,

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you know, and celebrate the winter. So so that's all

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about the return of the life, the return of.

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Speaker 1: The sun of the beach.

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Speaker 5: It's the Mail beach and it's in the center. Yeah,

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and it's the center in the center of your So again,

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how lucky are we to have a beach bang on

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in the center of the town that we use, you know,

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to celebrate.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And like a semicircle or a circle.

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Speaker 5: You do, or it's a circle that we do. We

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dance the circle as well, and we dance, we sing,

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you know, we just celebrate life. We celebrate being alive.

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And again it's the time to remember those who are

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no longer with us. At this time of the year,

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because obviously some of us this time of the year

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is not necessarily happy or a joyot occasion. But you know,

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we we remember them fondly who used to sit around

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the table with you before, and we like candles just

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to remember them. But not only that, then we like

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to do a ceremony around well, of all the children

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that were born this year, of the little you know,

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the animals that were born, the new butterflies that came

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into the world, you know, everything, you know, So yeah,

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rap on the cheat the circle of life.

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Speaker 1: So in itself, a lot of people don't realize the

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origins of Halloween are in Ireland, isn't that correct?

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Speaker 5: That's right? Yeah, so in itself comes from Ireland, from

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the hill Tero and the druids used to light the fires,

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and all the fires will be quenched in Ireland, and

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then the druids will come and they would do their

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ceremony and then they would light the fire, and from

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then then all the other fires were lit in Ireland.

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Speaker 1: Incredible, isn't it absolutely? And also I'm just making a

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connection here and it's probably an erroneous one, but you

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were saying that witchcraft is all about the harmony of

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nature and the elements, et cetera. How then would it

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differ from druidry.

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Speaker 5: They're all kinds of similar. But actually I was talking

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with my friends last night and we were saying, even

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if you take a look at some of the Native

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Americans rituals, what they do, they're fairly similar to what

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we do here. At the end of the day, you know,

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it's all about tuning into nature. You know, how do

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you tune into nature? You know, like, how do you

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know what a plant can give you as regards healing?

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To take any of the tribes all over the world,

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that connection is there. It's all about celebrating nature. Now,

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you may do it a little bit differently because culturally

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we you know, we live in different parts of the

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world and we all have our own cultures. But the

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whole essence of what we do is really like if

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you were to cut it all down and bring it

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down to its very basics, we're all actually doing the

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same thing, but maybe just in a slightly different way.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to throw a few names that you hear.

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Speaker 5: Malgogan, So poor Mal was she was waiting for her

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husband to come home. He went out to sea one

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day and she continued to wait, and she waited for

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him till the day she died, and she'd have a

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light on in our house, hoping that every night he

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will return home from the sea. And it's really funny

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you mentioned her, because when we did the Spirit of Solm,

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we did think called Tales by Candlelight, and we took

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all the aracters from you all and we told their stories.

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So we let them step out of the shadows and

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tell their story, and Marlgargen was one of them. And

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it was something very moving about how somebody has that

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much love for someone that they would spend the rest

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of their life looking for him. And I'm sure when

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she crossed over she met with them.

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Speaker 1: Elaborated a little bit more about Florence Newton, because is

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the name of your explain a covin, First of all,

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is a covin like a group of witches.

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Speaker 5: Well, a covin is a group of witches. But we're

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not a covent. We're gathering because we have because with

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people from all cultures, and plus we have shaman who

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work with us. But a covent really is I suppose

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it's more a religious aspect because you have what's called Wickans,

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so wickan. So the kind of wicked I suppose is

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more the religious side, if you like, and they have

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to adhere to certain rules, and whereas we, I suppose

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maybe we're a bit wilder, but we don't. We just

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go and work with the seasons. And you can bring

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into the gathering whatever you know, whatever spells, incantations, whatever

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it is that you want to do. Whereas they would

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be more they would be more strict. And there's different

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lines of covens.

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Speaker 1: Florence Newton, Are you gathered in her name? Or what's

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the connection there is?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, because Florence Newton was a witch, and she

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was from all we kind of have that I don't know,

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dotted lying to her if you like. So nobody really

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knows what happened to Florence new Now he knows that

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she died during when she was I suppose when she

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was being held captive, So we don't really know. Did

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she die from natural causes? Did she did the hanger?

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I believe if they would have hung her, they would

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have said that. So my own belief is that she

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would have died during the witchcraft trials, probably because you know,

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they obviously they tortured her. They kept this poor old

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woman in a jail cell that she was chained and

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she was beaten. So and she was in her sixties,

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so at that time that would have been considered quite old.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for saying that, I have recently turned sixty

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one and I've been getting worried.

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Speaker 5: I said in that time, I didn't say, now, oh well.

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Speaker 1: And this was all around medieval times, wasn't it her?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this was sixteen sixty one. She went to a

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house and she asked for some Yes, so she asked

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for some bread. The maid turned her away. So then

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I think the following day she met her down by

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the well. It was believed then that she put a

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curse on the maid. And then, as you know, in

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which trials all you need to do is point a finger.

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So then others came forward and said that she was

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after killing three children, and the whole thing snowballed, and

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then people were getting involved in it because to be

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part of witchcraft trial back then it was a great

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way of becoming famous. So you know, the whole thing

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kind of snowballed for poor Florence. Yeah, so obviously we

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want to remember how we want to remember who she

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is and how easy it is, you know, for somebody

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to can accuse somebody of doing something, you know, gossip,

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and how dangerous it is.

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Speaker 1: You know, when it comes to the witches, what proportion

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of them are men? Are there warlocks knocking about?

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Speaker 5: There would be a very small portion of them, maybe

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twenty percent. But you know what we're Yeah, but we're

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so lucky to have them and to have them as

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part of the group because they bring obviously a different

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type of energy to the group as well. And you know,

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it's great to be able to sit down and discuss

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just different things that are happening to people, or somebody

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might have experienced or you know, I felt that there

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was somebody in the room with me the other night,

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and you know, you can kind of get different perspectives

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on what's happening. But yeah, but we are lucky.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be more of a European thing to

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have warlocks or men witches than in the States.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, whereas I mean in Ireland we will

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probably say that they were druids more than more than witches.

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Speaker 1: You know, where does it all start for you? You know,

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when did you get interested in it?

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Speaker 5: I was always interested in us ever since a little

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girl like that. You found its fascinating. Yeah, you just

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know it. And you know what, anytime you were reading

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them a fairy to, I got all that pot which

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now has been blimked for X, Y and Z. And

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then you set to explore it a little. Yeah, and

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then you set to explore things a little obviously got

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in the eighties, there wasn't that much to explore, but

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you just kind of felt that there was something more

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to the world that was around you. There was something

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a bit more magical, or there was something you couldn't

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quite put your finger on it, but you knew there

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was something else there. So and then you set to meditation.

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You start meeting groups, and then you know, you begin

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to realize, you know, hey, something's blossoming here. And it

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was just the witchcraft side of things that really interested me.

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The fact that you know, you work completely with the seasons,

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you're working with the plants and the animals, and I

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love being outside anyway, so I just really called to me.

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Then before you know it, you start meeting people within

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the town of Yall and you're going, you know, just

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big interest and they go, oh my god, I have

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two and things begin to develop and you start beginning

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to meet up and then from there you have something amazing,

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which is what we have now, the spirit of sound

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and ins to grow and like we're we're just so

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lucky that we live in the beautiful town of y'all.

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And people, you know, they come and they participate in

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so and itself, and they come and they look and

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see what's happening on the beach, and you know, you

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don't get any negativity. What you get is, well, that

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is just so amazing and it's a completely different way

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of looking at the world. And you know that they

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than they would have been shown. And there's a lot

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of interest in it, a lot of interest.

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Speaker 1: The Internet must have been a god sent for you.

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Speaker 5: It was, indeed, And even when we were doing our

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ritual on the beach, we had a live feed going

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on a group called Love You All and it got

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over fight that was over five thousand people viewing it.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, It is amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and then they'll contact you afterwards. And there

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was actually some which is travel had traveled from the

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UK for it. We had some witches that had traveled

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from America, believe it or not, for it, and we

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spoke to a beautiful couple who had come from Germany

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and what they had. They were actually going to Gorway,

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but then they saw, oh my goodness, just on our

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Facebook page while they're doing an actual ritual and it's

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not very commercialized. Instead of going to go away, they

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came down to you all and they said, we'll be

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back next year and we'll be bringing a lot more

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people with us.

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Speaker 1: That's a small world, Yvonne. And you know when you

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were growing up and you were feeling all this, were

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you superstitious at all over your left children.

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Speaker 5: No, I wasn't, but my mother was, and my grandmother was, Yeah,

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very much superstitious. And you know what, we were lucky because,

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as I said about the Vanish Gun and the story

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of the Woman of the Water, we grew up with

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ghost stories around us. And we grew up always even

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though we you know, we were brought up with Catholic

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we were always taught to you know, that there was

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a lot more going on than you could see. And really,

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at the end of the day, it's always about feeling

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because nobody you know, when you go into a room,

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or you might go into an old church or something,

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you just get that feeling. Nobody can say to you,

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you know. I mean people might say to you you

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would you ever cop on or whatever, but nobody can

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take away that feeling from you. We're more than our

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bone and more.

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Speaker 1: Than five census, I think for sure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: I always say as well, because there's a lot going

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on in the world control wise, I think it will

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an attempt perhaps to control people. But I always say,

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you cannot really legislate for instinct, and I think god failing.

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There's so much to that. I mean, I don't know

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about about you, Yvonne, but I'm only speaking personally now

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because you have a lovely way about you and i'd

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love to, you know, just open up to you. I feel,

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and I don't think I'm the only one. That we

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are on the verge of something. I'm not sure what

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it is worldwide. It's a feeling I had. I suppose

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with the whole COVID thing, you know, our whole world.

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I mean, that was so went upside down. And I

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don't evil I will, you know, I will be the

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token fruitcake or whatever, but I didn't quite buy a

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lot of that. But I don'tant to get controversial, but

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oh good, Well we could talk then, you know, but

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but we won't. I mean, to me, there was a

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contrivance there, right, and there was no debate there was.

474
00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:14,160
That was the thing. I mean, we're supposed to be

475
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,400
the free world and whatever, but there was no debate.

476
00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:18,720
Is you will do this and you will do that,

477
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:20,559
and you will take this or you won't take that,

478
00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:22,319
and if you don't, you're not a good person. All

479
00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:24,720
this kind of carry on. But as that is, that's

480
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:26,680
me going off on one now and I need to

481
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,279
rein that in. But but you know what I'm saying,

482
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:33,920
I mean, it goes back to it. I've never said

483
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,720
like and I look, I've kids, and you know, I've

484
00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:40,519
done my time, if you like, And I just have

485
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,440
this ominous something that's gonna go wrong or some that

486
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,240
some attempt that's going to be whether it succeeds or not,

487
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,599
now that's a different matter, you know it is. So

488
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,559
I'm not I'm not total nuts. Then no, you're not

489
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:55,440
total all.

490
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 5: You know. It's a shame people don't listen to their

491
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,279
own intuition a bit absolutely or you know, be guided

492
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:05,359
by it, because your intuition, your gout feeling, it will

493
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,920
never it's there for a reason and it will never

494
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,240
put you wrong. It never, It never puts you wrong

495
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,519
because when something goes wrong, you always say, well, why

496
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:14,799
didn't I listen to my gut? You know, even if

497
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,200
everybody sent you well that person's really nice new and

498
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,359
then you're thinking, oh, well maybe there, but your gut

499
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,680
is telling you something else.

500
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: I tell you we need to get back into the

501
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,880
witchery stuff because I do respect your time. So we've

502
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,599
spoken about what about charms and amulets? Is there anything

503
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:29,880
like you recommend?

504
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a lot of people. Well, for me,

505
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,039
I think it's just if you have that belief in

506
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,799
a in a chairm or an ambulus, that's enough for

507
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,039
it to work. Really, you know, for you, because you're

508
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,119
putting that energy into it, you have a belief in it,

509
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,920
you know what I mean? For us, with a lot

510
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,680
of we would wear what's called the pentagram or a pentacle,

511
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,599
and that represents are there fire and water, and it's

512
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,480
got a protection, it's a protective cham and a lot

513
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,519
of us would would wear that because obviously it represents

514
00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,920
the seasons, it represents the elements. Or we would wear

515
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,839
the moon or a goddess amulut as well. So these

516
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,480
are all, you know, are all for protection, much like

517
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:10,519
you know, you see you see a lot of Catholics

518
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:11,440
wearing crosses.

519
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad you've put me right on the pentagram because

520
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,440
I always associated that would say tanic kind of ritual.

521
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:18,920
So I don't know, completely wrong.

522
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's yeah, that's got nothing at all to do

523
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:24,599
with it. And yes, it's all to do with their

524
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,440
fire and water and spirit would be your fifth element

525
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,559
and that and people, you know, if they if somebody

526
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:32,359
sees you're wearing one of them, if they're not aware

527
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,240
of it, or they're going, oh my god, as you said,

528
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,039
that's satan satanism, and which there's no satan in witchcraft.

529
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:42,759
That's a Catholic thing. But anyway, that's a whole nother conversation.

530
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,720
But yeah, so it's it's basically it's the protection, and

531
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,680
it's also about it's about the seasons or their fire

532
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,519
and mortar and spirit.

533
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: Okay, now this is probably more paranormal, so stop me

534
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,720
then say something like the weed aboard do we just

535
00:25:57,839 --> 00:25:58,880
double insane?

536
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course they do. Yeah, what's it called? What

537
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:03,839
are we called texting from heaven?

538
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,279
Speaker 6: The board?

539
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, again, it's it's just a tool, and you have

540
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,079
to use it with respect. Again, You're going back to

541
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,920
Hollywood and they're showing you the wig board, and how

542
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,920
terrifying it is because hey, who's going to watch a

543
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,559
movie where everybody's sitting around the wig board and it's

544
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,200
all really nice and gentle and beautiful and you're getting

545
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,480
these lovely messages and and but the unfortunate thing is

546
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:30,799
people tend to use a wig board when they're drunk

547
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:37,200
or when they're feeling very depressed exactly. So you know

548
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,759
what light attracts like, so your vibration is low, you've

549
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,119
had your drinks, you're making fun of the wigi board.

550
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,160
You're not going to get beautiful spurts to come across

551
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,640
and talk to. What you're going to attract to something

552
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,039
very very different. So and you know, and teach treat

553
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:53,200
it with respect.

554
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: With respect absolutely and cards.

555
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:58,759
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that would be another favorite of ours. We

556
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,519
you know, we would. It's like, actually, it's kind of

557
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:03,880
when we get up in the morning, not all of us,

558
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,480
but some of us. You sit and you have your

559
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,880
cup of tea, you a cup of coffee, and you

560
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,119
just pull a card and say, so what energy is

561
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,240
coming towards me today now and let the card. Take

562
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:14,519
your tarot card, let it rest on the table and

563
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:15,920
have a look at it. And then by the end

564
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,720
and at the end of the day, then have a

565
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:19,720
look and say, well, you know, what did that that

566
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,240
terror card mean? But again, it's the tool where you're

567
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,839
you're using your intuition. You're looking at the card and

568
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,480
you're saying, well, what does that mean or what does

569
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:29,599
that mean for the person that you're reading for. So

570
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,880
it's again it's just a tool. It's all that intuition

571
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359
that just helps you. So it gives you a focus.

572
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite in incantation?

573
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 5: As above, so below, as we say, it shall.

574
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: Be, so, Oh God, you're good.

575
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:51,319
Speaker 5: I love it. As above, so below, as we say

576
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:52,240
it shall be.

577
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: So it shall be, so it shall be.

578
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 5: So you're saying you're bringing that.

579
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: I'd say spells. Do you can't spells?

580
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, we would cast a spell. So basically what you're

581
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,400
doing is you're seeing, seeing what it is that you

582
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,200
want to manifest. So, for example, it can be as

583
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,720
simple as a day leaf. So you know the bay

584
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,359
leaf trees, so you take a bay leaf and bay

585
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,319
leaf when you go and look at what a bay

586
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,799
leaf does or what they represent. So they're all about

587
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,039
wishes and you write and you just hold it in

588
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,559
your hands and you say, what is it that I

589
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,279
would love that will benefit me, will be a benefit

590
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:35,559
to me, and you kind of put that energy into

591
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:37,079
your bay leaf and then you put it into the

592
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,119
fire and then the smoke goes up and out into

593
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:42,200
the universe and you let the universe worry about it

594
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,839
for you. So it doesn't have to be all these

595
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,799
really long things, or it doesn't have to take days

596
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:48,720
to do it, and be as simple and as powerful

597
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:50,039
as doing something like that.

598
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. So it's no eye of Newton toe a

599
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,640
frog and all that stuff.

600
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 5: Now, well I new it is actually mustard tree, believe

601
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,240
it or not, back in the very some sort of

602
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,319
a plant that we don't actually have in Ireland. I

603
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,039
think that it's in America. So basically what they were

604
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,079
doing was when they were writing their spells, they were

605
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,839
they were looking at each of the plants and they

606
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,880
were going, Okay, what does that look like? What does

607
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,400
that look like? And then they put their spells together.

608
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:17,440
And there was a way I suppose of keeping them

609
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,559
secret as well, so you maybe just tell your friends

610
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,640
or tell the other people that you might be sitting

611
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,559
around the fire with what eat of them? Meant some

612
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,079
so much better than send mustard seed though, doesn't it?

613
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,359
Speaker 1: It does? And I've just seen toe of frog is

614
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:35,160
a butter cup and wool of butter cup is it's

615
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,000
moss or.

616
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we would tend to use as moss

617
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,480
here well that yeah.

618
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, your favorite element would be you mentioned that.

619
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I suppose I get up every morning and I

620
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,119
go for a beautiful long walk. Before I start walking,

621
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,880
you know, you look at the sky and it's it's magical.

622
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,079
And maybe because I'm Gemini, that's an air sign as well. Again,

623
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,160
here is a lot to do with them haughts and

624
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,160
being creative in your head, in your mind, and it's freedom.

625
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Yeah you can and and when the wind blows it's

626
00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:13,720
just so cleansing. Yeah. So I'm attracted to air, but

627
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:18,279
all of them obviously have their own amazing attributes. Its

628
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:19,839
air would do it for me.

629
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: Air is good for you. You will be please God

630
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,240
in the beautiful fresh air on the winter solstice, on

631
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,960
on the Mall beach and before before you go yule?

632
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,079
Is that celebrated or what does that mean to a witch?

633
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 5: So you is the same as the winter solstice of

634
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,920
December December, but you is a German. I think it's

635
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,880
more German, whereas we would celebrate the winter. So it's

636
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,119
just a different name for the same thing. But it's

637
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,359
just it will be more to do with with I

638
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,079
think it's more German ules German, whereas we say winter.

639
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Soltice here, So it's the same thing, the same thing.

640
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,559
And finally, if your pardon the expression, do you have

641
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:00,359
a familiar?

642
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 5: I have my familiar. She's actually downstairs as we speak,

643
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,839
in front of the fire. She's the most beautiful little doggie.

644
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,960
And her name is Luna.

645
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,119
Speaker 1: How beautiful after the moon and.

646
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,759
Speaker 5: She comes everywhere at me, yes exactly, And we just

647
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,359
found her and she jumped into the car. Well, yeah,

648
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,680
we were. She jumped into the car with us one

649
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:21,480
day and she hasn't left us since.

650
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,599
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.

651
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 5: It's beautiful.

652
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, do you have an altar?

653
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: I do, yes, and I have one down stairs now,

654
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,640
just all done up for the winter solice. So we

655
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,400
have our holly, and we have our ivy. We have

656
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,200
acorns as well on it. I believe, so a lot

657
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,480
of stuff will I'd be picking up as I'm walking

658
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,240
in the woods as well. And we have the Triple

659
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,960
Goddess and we and Santa Claus, so the Holly King

660
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,079
and the Hall, and so it will be the Holly

661
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,480
King is what we would call Santa.

662
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:55,119
Speaker 1: And would you have a cauldron as well?

663
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,559
Speaker 5: I would have a cauldron yet, yes, I probably have

664
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,759
about seven or eight of them around the house. And Leah,

665
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,799
and we burn our beautiful either candles we put into

666
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,880
it or else we burn instances.

667
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: Yvonne Lawton, you have been an absolute lady and as

668
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,960
I said earlier and moments patronizing. You have a lovely

669
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,480
way about you and that's why thank you very much.

670
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,079
We could talk about this world and where it's going,

671
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,440
but hopefully on Vanishka will will point in the right

672
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,119
direction for us and we'll all be welcome out of it. Good.

673
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:25,680
So listen, where can we find you?

674
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,799
Speaker 5: Well, you can look us up on Spirit of Seven.

675
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,559
We have an Instagram page and we also have a

676
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:33,960
Facebook page, so you can follow us on that and

677
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,400
see what we're up to. Yeah. So, and I believe

678
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440
one of the one of the lads, one of our

679
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:44,359
Male Witches is putting YouTube channel together as well. You know,

680
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,759
it's important that we are not just saying us in general,

681
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,160
but people that do this type of work get out

682
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,640
there because it's really important to the world and to

683
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,839
the universe. Like you were saying earlier on where you know,

684
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,279
there are so many bad things happening, but there are

685
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,319
so many beautiful people out there as well, you know

686
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,319
that that work with nature and have beautiful qualities about them, and.

687
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: You are one of the so you no, I mean,

688
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,079
it's been a pleasure and very enlightening as well. I

689
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:14,559
have to say, you know, Pentagram, I was walking around.

690
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,240
You've put my mind at rest about that symbol because

691
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,599
anytime I went on a ghost hunter or whatever an investigation,

692
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,680
you need to see this thing and you go, oh,

693
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,599
the Satanists must have been in here. Probably the exact opposite.

694
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,799
Won't you look after yourself?

695
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 5: Have a lovely yew too, bye? Take care?

696
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple of things over the years. But

697
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,079
I've learned, well I don't. I suppose it's not learned.

698
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,079
I've just become accustomed to it. And I think it's

699
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,839
kind of it's it's it's maybe it's it's another sense

700
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,759
or something. But often when you go into places, you

701
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:44,480
will get a feeling for the place and you'll get

702
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,400
a feeling of whether or not it's comfortable. And whatever

703
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,799
cause is that, who knows what causes that. But we

704
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,519
have an intuition. We have an inbuilt intuition. I can't

705
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,240
describe what it is or where it comes from, or

706
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,680
the physics of it or the chemistry of it, but

707
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,599
it's there, and anybody will will tell you to stick

708
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,400
with your intuition. If you think something doesn't feel right,

709
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,039
then don't hang around.

710
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Speaker 3: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn

711
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,079
aka the Squire, and don't hang around either.

712
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,639
Speaker 4: If you've got an Irish paranormal tale to tell.

713
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:25,119
Speaker 3: Simply email Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com and it'll

714
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,679
be read out for you before you get to tell

715
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:33,360
it on air yourself. That's Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com.

716
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: Today is your lucky day if you've ever wanted to

717
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,920
know about all things paranormal in County Galway, because I

718
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,719
got talking to Philip Costello of Paranormal Awakenings Ireland PAI.

719
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,280
Before we talked paranormal. We talked Galway.

720
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,599
Speaker 6: So, Galway is a beautiful coastal area with a lot

721
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,320
of medieval history. It's known as the city of Tribes

722
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,159
and it has many family names. It has much much

723
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,239
history with the medieval past. It has the beautiful Cliffs

724
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,880
of Moher, one of the most beautiful views in Ireland.

725
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,079
Speaker 1: And was there a Spanish influence there at one point?

726
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:21,519
Speaker 6: Of course, Yeah, there's an area in Go we're called

727
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,320
the Spanish Art right down beside where the claud Is

728
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,400
and it's where the clatter Ring was first made, the

729
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,760
most famous with but the Spanish ships used to come

730
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,760
into the clatter to drop off goods at the time,

731
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,400
back in the eighteen hundreds.

732
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,079
Speaker 1: Like a commercial area it was.

733
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,519
Speaker 6: It would have been the hustling, hustle and bustle area,

734
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:42,679
would have had lots of markets, would have had the

735
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,960
colleges would have been where a lot of stuff would

736
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,400
have been brought in for storage, trade goods, crying that

737
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,679
they were part of the old extension of the old

738
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,320
city walls would have been at the time as well.

739
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,079
Speaker 1: And the clatter Ring itself there, that distinctive ring you

740
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,199
know when the faces down, what does that mean when

741
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,480
it faces up. Do you know that bit?

742
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,679
Speaker 6: Now it varies, so some say that when it faces

743
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,679
in it means your heart belongs yourself. When it faces

744
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,800
out it means that your heart belongs from another. Now

745
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,719
it depends on what hand it's on. If it's on

746
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,559
the left hand face and then it means that you're

747
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,199
engaged for a person. If it's on the left hand

748
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:21,719
facing out, it means that you're in a relationship. However,

749
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,119
it's on the right hand facing out, you're a single,

750
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,840
means that you're taking it apparently was also known as

751
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,679
an unofficial Irish engagement engagement ring one time.

752
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: And do you have one?

753
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 6: I do. Indeed facing it's facing in on my left hand.

754
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,559
Speaker 1: So what does that mean again?

755
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 6: Engaged?

756
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: Congratulations? Another good one? Bites the dust.

757
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 6: That's it.

758
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: We're here to talk paranormal goalway really, So where did

759
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,639
it start for you?

760
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 6: It would have started for me at a young age

761
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,519
growing up in the country back then. The old is

762
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,360
the older people that have a lot of stories of

763
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,840
you know, the Banshee fairy, motor cars, headless horseman and

764
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,039
you know you'd hear your grandparents or your great grandparents

765
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:12,000
talking about all this. I kind of you'd either role

766
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:15,440
a fascination or you just kind of be scared of it,

767
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,639
or you'd father it off, you know. But for me,

768
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,199
I was always I kind of got into this and

769
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,239
hearing all these stories and I was fascinated with it.

770
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,360
And of course then i'd have a fascination with the

771
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,760
shows and seeing spooky things on TV and whatever, so

772
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:33,440
got me into it that way, you know. And then

773
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,000
an incident where when I was six years old, just

774
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,239
a week before my mother passed, and I had a

775
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,239
dream of her driving away. Now, at the time, I

776
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,400
had no clue what it meant, but you know, looking

777
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,039
back at it, I think it was sort of like

778
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,639
a symbol of her saying goodbye in a way, you

779
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:49,320
know what I mean. She was only thirty six when

780
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,760
she passed, you know, can but looking back at her,

781
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,719
it was sort of like, Okay, well it must have

782
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,000
been a sign to say, you know, she's going. But

783
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:58,280
I've been so young you wouldn't realize that, you know.

784
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,280
But it stuck with Yeah, absolutely.

785
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,079
Speaker 1: I know the Buron is more County Claire, but it

786
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,360
is regional to go away. It's on the on the

787
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,039
west coast. Maybe expand on that for us Philip.

788
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,679
Speaker 6: A lot of limestone out there. It's a very very

789
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:17,159
rugged area, like it's very stone bog rough rough area.

790
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,679
But it has a lot of history in a lovely

791
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,760
walk is, you know. It's got a lot of walking trails,

792
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,280
it's got a lot of history. It's got a lot

793
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,760
of currents and burial areas.

794
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: That the Dolman tombs, they're distinctive, the big slab of

795
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,519
rock waying tons upon maybe three vertical stones.

796
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 6: Yes, now it's not exactly sure how they've done it

797
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,199
back in the day, but they were believed to be

798
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,760
burial places of of clan members that would have been

799
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,159
maybe high up in rank at the time, could have

800
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:57,000
been chieftains, you know, someone of a high status.

801
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,199
Speaker 1: Speaking of fight status, was there a judge that.

802
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, apparently he was the mayor of go Away and

803
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,559
he found that his son was very fond of the

804
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,840
ladies and he didn't like the way that he was

805
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,199
ruining their good name. So the story says that he

806
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:19,440
hung his son from the window. But it's debatable whether

807
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,760
it happened or not. Some people say it did, other

808
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,039
people to say it wouldn't, you know, support the weight

809
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:27,280
will never know, you know, So.

810
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,039
Speaker 1: There was no Biden look pardon for him anyway.

811
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 6: No, absolutely not. You know, it would have been it's

812
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,199
kind of like the Lynch Memorial window area. You know,

813
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:43,920
it would have been around maybe nineteen fourteen ninety three area,

814
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,239
let's say. But his son was kind of condemned and

815
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,119
murdered and you know, the executioner hung them from the

816
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:55,599
window and left them there as a sort of you know,

817
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,400
a warning to others not to cross, you know.

818
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:02,199
Speaker 1: Ah, So hence the it's the Lynch's window, yes, where

819
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:05,440
where Lynch comes from? To Lynch someone, Yeah, it.

820
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 6: Would have been a guy called James Lynch Fitzstephen who

821
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,920
was the mayor at the time, and he was the

822
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,079
magistrate in Galway, and because of his son having a

823
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:20,800
romantic rival, he ended up hanging them from that window.

824
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,480
So to Lynch somebody kind of came from that like

825
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,280
you like you said.

826
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: And of course as well, the whole area was devastated

827
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,280
by the famine.

828
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 6: There's a lot of memorials around from the famine times.

829
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,599
A lot of people immigrated from there, just not having

830
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:42,159
enough to eat, you know, Bud's gone black, you know, Yeah,

831
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,039
I mean there's there's places that is around the place.

832
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,519
I remember I was working in a place called Clamberg.

833
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,320
The hills that were around us were all old famine

834
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,599
farming areas where they had small little plata land between

835
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:58,840
themselves that they tried to grow potatoes in. And there's

836
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,000
still the old war all separating the little bits of farmland.

837
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,360
And there's apparently said to be still bodies dotted around

838
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,000
that haven't been found yet, that people have just dropped

839
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:14,280
and died with hunger. It's a very kind of a

840
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,599
spooky enough area. You know.

841
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,199
Speaker 1: You mentioned the hills, the old Pottine, which is kind

842
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:24,280
of like it was like the moonshine, wasn't it putching, putching, putching?

843
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 6: Yeah?

844
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: Did those boys try and make up stories as well

845
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,119
about fairies to distract people from their criminal activity?

846
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah maybe. I mean we've fairies in Ireland have

847
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,320
always had a thing hand and hand, you know where

848
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,559
it's like, it's not it's not like the Americans that

849
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,199
would show us as little green dance and people or

850
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:52,760
tinker Bell or something like that. You know, yeah, yeah,

851
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,159
to be sure, to be sure, Mushia, Mussia. But a

852
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,920
lot of people still believe in the in the fair

853
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,760
and you know, you'd have fairy forts in different fields

854
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,840
and stuff where the older generation wouldn't go near, and

855
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,519
you'd have you know that they'd say that you couldn't

856
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,880
touch it tree around the fairy fort because it sent

857
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,119
a course on your Traditionally, fairy forths are a little

858
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,719
like they're believed to be magic areas where the fairies

859
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,679
had lived. Now, from what we've been told, we were

860
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,199
at a gentleman's area, Pat Noon's fairy field, and he

861
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,920
has many, many many stories around his field and about

862
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,079
the fairies and the stories of them. And one thing

863
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,559
I remember them saying was that they can show to

864
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,800
be perfectly human at five foot tall, or they can

865
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:50,079
they might disguise themselves, but there are supernatural beans. Let's

866
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,800
say someone say that they were here before you. You know,

867
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,360
people moved in and took over most of the land

868
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,199
and stuff. But typically you know, fairy far related curses

869
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,280
or retribution enhanced on people that might disturb the structures.

870
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,760
You know, someone might move a stone like you said,

871
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,760
or might cut down a tree and put on the

872
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,559
face curse as you know, you know, where people could

873
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,960
like fall dead, or they might lose their wealth, or

874
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:21,760
animals might die or something like that. But on the

875
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,719
opposite side of that, people also believe that the fairies

876
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,079
could bring you good luck. So you can leave offerings

877
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,199
like little trinklets or little bottles of whiskey or you know,

878
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,199
ribbon something just as an offering to stay in peace

879
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,920
with the fairies and that they can bring good luck,

880
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:43,960
you know, good harvest. They can, you know, if they're

881
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,440
left alone, they leave you alone, right, you know.

882
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,199
Speaker 1: And you know, I often associate the whole thing of

883
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,320
awake an Irish wake with goalway honoring the dead as

884
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,519
well as that's something that we've forgotten to do properly

885
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,159
or have there been any tree conditions that you're aware of?

886
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,599
Speaker 6: Well, I know, like when I was younger, with honor

887
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:07,000
and the dead, the wakes always used to happen in

888
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:12,280
the house. So when a person died, like my own experience,

889
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,320
would be going to someone's house and the person be

890
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,639
laid out in the bed or they be in the

891
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,280
middle of the sitting room and people had come and

892
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,440
pay their respects and they have now a bit of

893
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:27,199
a gathering. I won't say a holy but you know

894
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,920
a gathering where they drink around and stay with the

895
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,039
body and you know, have a laugh and stuff, you know,

896
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,679
or the Stations of the Cross one time, right, and

897
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,639
the House of the Blessings of the Cross and stuff.

898
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,639
All that has kind of like being forgotten now, you know.

899
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,079
Speaker 1: Tell us about some of the locations you've been to.

900
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 6: One of their locations we would have been is a

901
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,039
place called Tyrone House. It would have been one of

902
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:55,719
my favorite spots is it's basically a seventeen seventy Georgian

903
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:59,599
style house in an area called kill Colgan and Galway,

904
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,719
and we've been there many times. It would have been

905
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,920
owned by the Saint George family at the time, who

906
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,360
would have owned much of the area around Kilkalgan, and

907
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,280
the French Saint George family would have been described as

908
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:19,079
let's say cruel, very kind of a dominate crowd at

909
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,559
the time. They would have had this massive, massive house.

910
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,320
You know, they'd had their parties in there, and they

911
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,519
would have much land around it and everything, but they

912
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,360
kind of kicked their farmers out when it's suited them.

913
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:34,639
There was a lot of stuff that went on the

914
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:38,159
house that wouldn't have been properly documented or known about

915
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:41,239
at the time. Like many of these old houses, there

916
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,320
would have been cruelty with the servants and a lot

917
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,480
of debauchery going on in cellars and in corner rooms

918
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:51,920
and stuff. And with Saint George himself. There was a

919
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,719
story that if there was a wedding around the area

920
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,000
that he had to get the bright to be before

921
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:03,000
the husband. Oh my, he.

922
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:07,639
Speaker 1: Had different times, you know, yeah, a very different time.

923
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 6: But this house. It's said that the house was burnt

924
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,480
down because at the time they believed that the Ira

925
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,840
and was the Ira and the Black Contents were in

926
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,559
fighting at around the time. But they were believing that

927
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,639
the Black Contents would have taken the house and might

928
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:28,920
have turned it into an infirmary around the during the

929
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,760
nineteen twenties Border independence area, so they decided to burn

930
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,760
the house down so that they wouldn't get the house. However,

931
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,960
there's other conflicting stories saying that the locals around the

932
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,800
area had burnt the house down to stop again people

933
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:46,519
going in using it for the wrong reasons. But a

934
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,400
lot of the stuff was raided in the place and everything. First,

935
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:53,119
when we were there, we got a couple of interesting bits,

936
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:57,519
especially in the cellar area. I remember one time when

937
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,239
we were there, we were doing an investigation, were doing

938
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,400
an EVP session at the time. Now this was a

939
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,480
bit of a different and older, different team that we're with,

940
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,400
and suddenly I just kind of, I don't know what happened.

941
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,840
I went into some sort of trends or I don't

942
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,239
know how to describe it, but it was like something

943
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,079
there had taken taken me over. It was like that

944
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:19,559
channel something I was looking at a member of the

945
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:24,280
group who changed, if you get me, It went from

946
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:27,519
they morphed into someone else. So this person who doesn't

947
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:31,559
have a beard or a facial hair, suddenly had sort

948
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,920
of dark facial hair, a very old English style hairstyle,

949
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,840
you know, parted to one side, kind of a suit

950
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,679
on it. And I remember that I wanted to kill him,

951
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,440
that I just was going to go through them because

952
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,000
he had done something to a family member, to a woman.

953
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:49,840
I didn't want him in the house, you know what

954
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,559
I mean. Like we said, there was a lot of

955
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:54,679
stuff that went on in places like that that wouldn't

956
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:57,719
have been local knowledge that you wouldn't go boasting about,

957
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,960
you know, where servants would have been raised and things

958
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,239
like that, where these gentry and landlords or their friends,

959
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,360
that these parties would have had their way with the

960
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,079
poor little servants and be told to shut up or

961
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,679
you'll be thrown out of a job. So something like

962
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,679
that must have happened or could have happened, But there's

963
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,880
no details, let's say that I could find on it

964
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:22,280
of that nature going on.

965
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: I suppose, after all, Philip, these were stately homes. Is

966
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:33,199
there any indication of their former glory or indeed original layout?

967
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,519
Speaker 6: With a lot of these places, you know, you have

968
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,920
to do a lot of research into it. And luckily

969
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,119
enough here and go with there's a library in the

970
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:43,199
town that keeps a lot of records on places. Let's

971
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:46,159
say this place, for example, and it would have shown

972
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,880
where the kitchen was, the piano room, there was like

973
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,840
a children's area, massive dining area, kitchens, bedrooms such, all

974
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,639
that kind of stuff.

975
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: Were there any more eerie incidents?

976
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 6: We've had stone thrown at us in that place from

977
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:08,159
unseen forces. Like we were in there one night. We

978
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,679
had the infrared cameras and everything. We decided to sort

979
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,760
of tender a circle away from each other with the

980
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,119
lights just totally off, and we said we just try

981
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:21,079
this and see what that happened. And I called out

982
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:24,079
and I asked, if there is anyone here to make

983
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,679
yourself known, maybe throw something or say something. And as

984
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,719
soon as they said it, a stone was flung at us,

985
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,679
landing at our feet. There was a lad with us

986
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,519
at the time. He was doing a bit of video

987
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,400
for us. He got scared out of his wits and

988
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,360
he wanted out of there. He was like, no, no,

989
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,360
I'm done, I'm getting out of here. I've finished, I'm

990
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,440
out here. And he didn't come back with his sins.

991
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,639
It's stuff like that that would kind of make you

992
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,840
want to keep going back to see what would she

993
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,000
get more, or try and figure out who was thrown it.

994
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,239
We did pick up on a lady there who possibly

995
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,159
was an old servant. She still walks around the the

996
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,760
basement area. I believe that we have evp of her

997
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,920
saying I am pretty self.

998
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: Praise is no praise, Philip, that's it. Anyway, you're moving

999
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,920
to more contemporary times, did you guys investigate Lord Hojo's grave.

1000
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,039
Speaker 6: Lord hohe was American born fascist the time with World

1001
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:22,159
War Second World War, but he was brought Ireland and

1002
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,079
lived in Galway because.

1003
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: His parents I think were Irish, isn't that correct?

1004
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 6: His father was Irish brother was from York. I believe

1005
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,599
or in England, so he had Irish roots and then

1006
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:37,239
they moved from to England. He had family in Galway

1007
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,360
around the ballin Rope Mayo area and Salt Hill, Galway area,

1008
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:45,519
but he was moved to England where he would have

1009
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:50,800
been recruited to an intelligence corpse that was actually stay well.

1010
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,000
Before that, he was recruited by a fellow called Patrick

1011
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,960
Keating who's from County Galway, and he was recruited as

1012
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,239
a courier. Now he is also suspected by the IRA

1013
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,760
of working and as an informert for the Black and

1014
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,800
Tans when he was only a young lad. Now he

1015
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,639
was eventually like had an attempted assassination when he was

1016
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,320
on his way home from school one Even so, he

1017
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:18,960
was moved England a while after to the Worcestershire Regiment.

1018
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,000
It's also rumored that he had a hand in the

1019
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,559
capture and murder of Father Griffin and Gold and that

1020
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:27,199
would have been one of the questions that we had

1021
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:30,840
asked at his grave at the time. But he basically

1022
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:36,960
long story short, he ended up being a mouthed for

1023
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:40,800
the Nazi propaganda during the war and was always bad

1024
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,800
mouth in the English and you know on a radio

1025
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,400
station where he'd been the one to start saying Germany.

1026
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: Calling yeah propaganda basically, and he had a kind of

1027
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,599
snooty tone about him. It was like he was ridiculing

1028
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:57,880
the British people that they ended up ridiculing him. In

1029
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,400
the end. He was seen as a figure of fun.

1030
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 7: Really Germany carling, Germany, Carling from Germany, Carling are the

1031
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,599
rights and the ambush station Bremen and station dx be

1032
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,519
on the fed of one meter then.

1033
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he was called laudh because of the

1034
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,960
way he's spoken everything, and he was trying to like

1035
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,280
he was trying to dihearten the English people, but instead

1036
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:25,039
he ended up getting a lot of people listening to

1037
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:29,800
a show yes who thought, who found us interesting to hear?

1038
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:33,599
And because a lot of this stuff was editors and

1039
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:38,800
couldn't be broadcast as they wanted tune into German radio stations,

1040
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,880
let's say yes to hear road stuff.

1041
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: But he was fascist. I think he was with Oswald

1042
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Moseley's crowd in London, who was the kind of British

1043
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,920
attempt at a dictator fascist dictator. He got into a

1044
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,559
lot of squabbles there as well. But actually I'll tell

1045
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:55,320
you a little bit about it. You might know, right.

1046
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,320
So he was captured around the area of Denmark, somewhere

1047
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,800
like that, northern Europe, and at one point he got

1048
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,920
shot because an officer thought he was trying to make

1049
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,599
a break for it or something. But he got shot.

1050
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,960
He was injured before they took him back to London.

1051
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,199
And as you quite rightly said, because you know your stuff,

1052
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,519
you know the fact that he'd been born an American,

1053
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,679
and I thought that that might save him from the

1054
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,880
hangman's noose. As you know, it didn't tell you something

1055
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,440
else when he had before he'd gone to Nazi Germany,

1056
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:29,840
he'd been in a fight, I think, as I said,

1057
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,639
as one of Oswald Moseley's men, probably fighting communists or

1058
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:35,920
something like that. So he got a horrific scar that

1059
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,480
went from his mouth to his ear. It was really

1060
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,440
awful looking thing. And when they hung him, apparently the

1061
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,199
scar reopened. Have you ever heard that yet?

1062
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 6: I did, apparently busted open once the news had tightened

1063
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:48,960
around his neck.

1064
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:52,079
Speaker 1: But you got to the grave anyway, When was that.

1065
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 6: He went to the grave, which is only you know,

1066
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,239
down the road from us here. So it thought would

1067
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,719
be interested to see if Lord had had a couple

1068
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,800
of things to say to us, because it's not something

1069
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,920
that people would would know about or would associate in

1070
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,880
Ireland of someone being locally in here. So we said

1071
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,280
we go down, we'd see if he happened to talk

1072
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,079
about her he'd had to say. Unfortunately, the weather wasn't

1073
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,480
our friend that night. But oddly enough, as we were

1074
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,119
doing investigation down there, it sounded like the wind kept

1075
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:29,480
getting stronger and stronger, as if like he was getting

1076
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:33,239
more someone or something was getting more and more annoyed

1077
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,639
with us and didn't want us talking down there. And

1078
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:40,679
this would have been maybe September, and it was a cold, cold, night,

1079
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,119
was windy, and we said we go down, we'd try

1080
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:45,239
and do a couple of vps and we'd try and

1081
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,760
contact him. We'd ask a few questions to see what

1082
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,400
we get any response. So we left down a couple

1083
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,880
of VP machines. We had our cameras and stuff with us. Now,

1084
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,480
our our equipment kept going funny on us, and we

1085
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,599
couldn't explain it how or why that a two meter

1086
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,000
will go off. The VP machines were working at sign

1087
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,360
but all the lights were going off for absolutely no reason. Whatsoever.

1088
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: What was his real name again?

1089
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,559
Speaker 6: William Joyce?

1090
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: William Joyce. That's right. Did you ever hear his last broadcast?

1091
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,639
Speaker 6: Apparently he sounded quite drunk and very he is, Yeah, yeah,

1092
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:20,800
all over the place. Yeah, and the bottle of gin

1093
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,039
was found side his papers.

1094
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not at that point, and I think he's

1095
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,000
looking at the nearest escape eggsit but he's you can

1096
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,800
tell he's he's pretty much under the weather. So look,

1097
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,320
I wanted to talk to you about some of the

1098
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,199
other places as well that you've been. Palace Castle, does

1099
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:35,880
that ring a bell?

1100
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:39,079
Speaker 6: It's in Tina in counter Golway and it would have

1101
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:42,440
been built by the Brooks around the fifteen hundreds and

1102
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:46,199
owned by Fitz Morris Burke Klan and it will be

1103
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:51,360
in restorations passed down to Newton family in Westmead. It's

1104
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,679
seventeenth century gable house basically with five massive big walls

1105
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:59,320
in it, and it's still an absolutely beautiful, beautiful building.

1106
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,400
Would have been about five stories high with a third

1107
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,639
story vaulted window area and very very thick walls and

1108
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,039
chambers around the place. Beautiful fireplaces and bull sort of

1109
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,039
framed art windows.

1110
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: Are the heritage people looking after that now, is it

1111
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,880
just another one of these places that's gone to rack

1112
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,280
and ruin.

1113
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,079
Speaker 6: It's a National Monument of violence, so it would have

1114
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:25,679
been the National heritage that look after and it is that.

1115
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,400
It's absolutely in beautiful, beautiful condition. You know.

1116
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,519
Speaker 1: I cantify to that because I saw on your Facebook

1117
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,920
page that drive up to it. It was beautiful.

1118
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's absolutely gorgeous. And again we got a strange

1119
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,880
EVP or two there as well, from something that we

1120
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,599
couldn't see basically, you know, or didn't expect to hear.

1121
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,880
But it was like just a growl of something cutting

1122
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,840
across on us that didn't want us there. And it

1123
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,360
was PJ that ended up getting the VP. He was

1124
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,199
over at the towered areas and he was just doing

1125
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:06,119
his thing and it was only after when he was

1126
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:09,400
checking back that he heard this sort of husky, gravelly,

1127
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,480
sort of like get out sort of sound, you know.

1128
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:16,159
So something didn't want them there, which you wouldn't like.

1129
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,119
During the day wouldn't be too bad. It looks lovely

1130
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:21,320
and everything, but at night, I'm sure there's a whole

1131
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,119
different field to it.

1132
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,159
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And was it during the day you got the

1133
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:25,920
EVP or.

1134
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 6: It was during the day. Yeah. I mean with spirits,

1135
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,639
it doesn't matter whether it's there or night or you know,

1136
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,239
it's all the same to them. Apparently it's best to

1137
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,719
go out at night because it's for video and for

1138
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,960
photographs and stuff. You know, it's a lot easier to

1139
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,119
spot things than it would be during the day. But

1140
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:45,360
they're always around, you know.

1141
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: I think that was amazing though, that other story you said,

1142
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,400
you know, by being kind of not quite possessed.

1143
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 6: I would have been a bit too open to it

1144
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:57,400
where I'd have to I'd have myself left open to

1145
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:00,000
a lot of these things, a lot more than I'd realize.

1146
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,840
But I've been told by my own clair voyant and

1147
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,039
medium friends that you need to close yourself upfill because

1148
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:08,960
you're they can attach to you very much without your

1149
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,159
realizing it. So you've got to be very careful and

1150
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,000
very aware of your surroundings and don't be so open

1151
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,599
to these things. As I said, I used to watch

1152
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:19,960
a lot of these spirit programs and everything, and remember

1153
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:21,119
Most Haunted one time.

1154
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do remember Most Haunted.

1155
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:26,119
Speaker 6: Indeed, I to be fascinated when that came out, and

1156
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:28,880
with Derek Okor and everything as well. But I ended up,

1157
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:30,840
you know, going to places and going if you need

1158
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,880
to use me as a vessel, use me as a vessel,

1159
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,960
talk through me, you know, thinking you know, everything will

1160
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,320
be fine, whatever. And then someone said, don't do that

1161
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,400
because it's absolutely very dangerous. You do not what you

1162
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,239
know what you're inviting into yourself. So you've got to

1163
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,360
stop that and do not give them the authority to

1164
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,920
do such a thing, because it's easy to invite men,

1165
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:54,360
it's harder to get them out.

1166
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,639
Speaker 1: That's it from Philip Costello of Paranormal Awakenings Ireland. But

1167
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,920
we shall not be letting the sun go down on

1168
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,840
Galway Bay because Philip and myself had a lot more

1169
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,360
recorded and I shall be sharing it with you in

1170
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,320
the coming episodes. Special mention to Phillips fraud Line Fiance

1171
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,519
and indeed TOPJ who coordinates all things in Pai. Mark

1172
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:27,599
Manning Scary Era is a Mark Manning media production in

1173
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:32,920
association with a paranormal UK radio network, broadcast bi weekly

1174
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,119
from Ireland's ancient East Coast. Next Time, Anthony and Jessica

1175
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,119
from Ghost Era join us, as well as Matthew Clark

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from the Cork Supernatural Society. Till then, take care because

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I care