WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:05.719 edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.240 give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every 5 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.880 single day on your favorite podcast platform. 6 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:19.239 Clear off the mantle. Can it be an award winning 7 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:20.800 show today? Glad you are here? 8 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.120 Eight five five four zero five eight two five five 9 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:26.199 the number you are going to want to use that 10 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:29.280 number today? Eight five five four zero five eight two 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:33.880 five five text d A N five seven seven three nine. 12 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:36.439 We've never had a day like this. Peter Boyles in 13 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.880 studio for two hours. If you are new to the planet, 14 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:40.719 and Pete, you've seen all these drones out there, so 15 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:43.880 we may very well, we may very well have Can 16 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:45.200 somebody adjust Pete's audio? 17 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:48.240 I got I'm getting a KOA feed I think or 18 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:51.679 a news phone? Okay, apologize you sure that's our system here? 19 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:56.799 Could that just be Pete's superpowers pro that is wild? 20 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:58.439 Yeah? Yeah we are. 21 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:01.159 Pete is actually getting a Haowa feed and is that 22 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:02.920 which is which is only fitting? 23 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:03.159 Right? 24 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.920 Because how many years did you do on KA I 25 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:12.319 can't remember, Yeah year, it was a lot of years. 26 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:14.319 So hey, yeah, there were you know, all those all 27 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:16.760 those drones flying around everything else. So we may very 28 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:18.879 well have Martians in the audience. If we do, and 29 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.840 you are new to the planet, then then Pete boils 30 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:26.000 one of the true icons in Denver radio history. And 31 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.760 we were just talking about it off air. Pete kind 32 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:32.239 of rained and ruled from this very studio for twenty 33 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:32.799 three years. 34 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:33.359 Is that right? 35 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:38.439 I'm worked here and it's you different wallpaper? Really yeah, 36 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.480 you wouldn't know. Well, no, man, it's that's changed. But 37 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:43.959 the rest of it, all the setups. 38 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:44.760 Everything, Danny. 39 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.920 I mean, it's first of all, thank you for letting 40 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:50.799 me come back in here and spend a. 41 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.120 Couple of hours. Well, thank you. 42 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:54.319 It's like you know, thanking a guy for accepting a 43 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.480 winning lottery ticket. I mean, And all those years at KOA, 44 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:59.799 how many years at KOE And that's where you and 45 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:01.000 l Berg met, right. 46 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:04.319 When Berg and I med a k wb Z, the 47 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.520 mother of all talk show hosts. It was there was 48 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:13.319 there was once a very small, five thousand watt directional 49 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:19.520 daytime radio station kwb Z on West Princeton Avenue off 50 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:24.159 of South Broadway. And would he Page worked there? Mike 51 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:27.560 Rosen worked there. Wow, I worked there. Berg worked there. 52 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:33.039 I mean, any number of guys that you would recognize 53 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.599 their names today. And I always dubbed it to like 54 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.000 Saddam member Saddam and the mother of all battles. 55 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.240 Yeah, so that was the mother of all talk radios. 56 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.759 How did they attract so much talent to a station 57 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.039 with less power than my teeth? 58 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.560 Because no one took talk radio seriously? Talk radio really 59 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.800 doesn't come into its own And I'm writing about this 60 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:57.960 right now. First of all, a lot of credit must 61 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:04.000 be given to Rush Limbaugh. Uh. Yeah, he Limbaugh changes 62 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:06.759 the face of what we do for a living. But 63 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:09.240 no one took us, no one, No one took us seriously. 64 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.840 A matter of fact, Back to the uh to the 65 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:16.199 Ramsey case for a moment. If you recall, I was 66 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:20.599 shown the ransom note, not the copy of the ransom note, 67 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:24.319 before anyone could see it, and I made the mistake 68 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:26.319 of saying on the air that I had seen it, 69 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:29.400 only to be to be subpoened. 70 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.919 What could go wrong? What could God? What could go anyhow? 71 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.719 So I was in Jefferson County Jail, Jefferson County Jail, 72 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:39.199 Jefferson County Courthouse, and they were arguing whether or not 73 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:44.439 a talk show host had a press shield if we 74 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:48.000 had a First Amendment protection, and of course now we do. 75 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:52.560 But then the prosecutors who wanted to put me in 76 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:56.319 jail because I wouldn't talk, wouldn't say who had showed 77 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:58.719 me the note, and they said, we're going to put 78 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.960 you in jail, and bringing on, come on, let's go. 79 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:06.120 What more could you want? I think we both want to, right, 80 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.840 Oh kid, Pete old famous. 81 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.919 Sure, but that that was the That was a three 82 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.719 day argument whether or not I had a press shield, 83 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:16.519 and they granted me a press shield. 84 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.680 Yeah wow, And you obviously you would have gone to jail. 85 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.800 You would have stayed there as long as he needed to, right. 86 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:23.040 How long do you think they would have kept you? 87 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:27.160 You know, I thought about that, and I knew that we. 88 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.360 Both knew the share is too much trouble, and I 89 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.560 thought this is gonna be one of those al Capone 90 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:37.720 goes to they put furniture in there, he gets a steak, right, Yeah, No, 91 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.959 I was willing to go, oh yeah, and you would 92 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:43.079 have if you've never met Pete would have stayed there. 93 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:44.920 He'd still be there. You know, we could be thirty 94 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:46.920 years later, He'll be there. 95 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.199 Funny icing on the cake. I went to a fundraiser 96 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:54.319 with Frank DeAngelis and Tom Tank Cradle, two of the greats, 97 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.839 and I'm in a child line getting barbecue and a 98 00:04:57.839 --> 00:04:59.839 little guy guy came up to me said you remember, 99 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:03.639 And I said, I apologize, but do I owe you money? 100 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:06.319 And he said, I'm the guy that wanted to put 101 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:06.959 you in jail. 102 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:07.920 Wow. 103 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:09.879 The prosecute was the prosecutor. 104 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:10.319 Wow? 105 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:15.160 And I one defended on Yeah, you do me a favor. Yeah. 106 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:17.839 How much was all that publicity you got for that worth? 107 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:21.639 I mean, because again Pete built such a huge audience, 108 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:23.040 such a devoted following. 109 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.519 Stuff like that too. Oh well, we had a fun 110 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:28.040 run until it ended. 111 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:31.240 You know, don't you wish I would I ever tell 112 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.199 you about how that ended, because Craig and I had 113 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:39.439 it must have been seven plus years. Oh, and I 114 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.319 get a call for management one day. Good friend of 115 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.279 mine remains a good friend of mine. Got a call 116 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.600 for management and they said, hey, man, can you meet 117 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.959 me over at Starbucks on the way into the show. Sure, yeah, 118 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:52.879 all good, get there is you know this is going 119 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.279 to be your last show? Well, Tomorrow's your last show. 120 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.519 But don't tell Craig because we want to tell Craigs. 121 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.839 But no, it was a great run. But you are unique, truly, 122 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.959 everybody would agree on that game. You are unique in 123 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.439 the space in so many different ways. And you know, 124 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.240 there are those handful of legends you can point to, right, 125 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.040 who would you put in that? I mean, there's Rosen, 126 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:17.199 there's you, there's some of the guys that I came 127 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.560 in afterwards. But some of the giants. 128 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.639 Oh, you know, remember it's in its infancy and no 129 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.639 one really knows what it is. It hasn't taken shape, 130 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:31.959 it hasn't taken form. It's really a function of FM radio. 131 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:37.439 When am Top forty radio, the music moves and the 132 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:41.079 kinds of music moves, and it leaves this gap of 133 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:47.120 top forty disc jockeys. So much like when television had 134 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:51.680 been to television comes along Jack, Benny, Bob Hope, all 135 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:55.639 the big names of radio move to television. So that 136 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:58.399 leaves a void. And then there's the big orchestras and 137 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:02.759 they decided a big union dispute and that gets blown away. 138 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.079 What do they do? Disc jockeys? 139 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:10.480 And there's this legendary moment a guy named Jack Store 140 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.839 and they're sitting in a bar in Kansas City. 141 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:15.000 As the story. 142 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:19.639 Goes, Jack Store realizes, as big as this juke. 143 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:23.920 Box is, they're only playing thirty or forty different songs. Yeah. 144 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.560 So that's the beginning of Top forty radio was when 145 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:31.399 it was called store Broadcasting and he knew. So that 146 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.240 spread like wildfire and they had Top forty. 147 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:36.560 Then you had the guys that kind of talk like that. 148 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.360 Remember those guys mounds and sounds and wax and welas 149 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:40.879 they do that. 150 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:45.879 Well, hey, strained voice and so those guys, why did 151 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:46.639 they talk like that? 152 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:49.839 Well there was a word for that. May I use it? 153 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.399 And of course you can't. You're gonna use it anyway. 154 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:53.879 But anyway, they were. 155 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:59.839 Called puke p uk e jocks, okay, because they when 156 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:02.279 they talk and the talk. 157 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:04.720 It was all a Casey case imitation thing. 158 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:08.439 Casey didn't talk that way. Casey was more of a 159 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:12.199 straight ahead guy. But when you met the real Top 160 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:15.759 forty guys and where you live in La, you know, 161 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:22.160 they did that and they ruled until two things happened, 162 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.839 the Warren Vietnam and Richard Nixon and Watergate happened, and 163 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:30.199 Jimmy Hendrix was not going to be played on AM radio, 164 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:34.440 but they took him to FM. So FM pushes AM 165 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.440 out again. So now they're stuck. What do we do 166 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.840 with these signals? And somebody starts out with talk radio, 167 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:46.320 and you know, some of the early talkers in California 168 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.919 and of course New York City and Miami, Larry King 169 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:53.879 and guys were making their making their bones. So they 170 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:58.480 just said, well, these radio stations like this had a 171 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:00.279 morning crew of hallan Arlie. 172 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:01.759 You remember Poula Charlie. 173 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.879 They were they were, they become Lewis and Flora Flora 174 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:08.799 Wax and they've they become they become that. So they 175 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:14.679 had this this big void and they want talk, and 176 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:15.440 talk caught on. 177 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:17.639 Yeah, and now. 178 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.320 It's moving to podcasting. You know, it seems to be 179 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.480 it's always in flux, yes, but you don't. 180 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:28.320 Know where it is. And we've got to hit this break. 181 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.240 When we come back for twenty one, Pete Boyles is 182 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:34.000 going to tell you who killed John Benney rim right. 183 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.080 Okay, we can tell yeah, okay, all right. 184 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:38.360 For twenty one, you're on the Dan Caplas Show with 185 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:46.320 Pete Boyles. 186 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:51.399 And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcastay. 187 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:52.240 Better than this. Pete Boyle's in studio with us for 188 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:53.840 two hours the Icon. 189 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.639 He's been in there about fifty years now in Denver, 190 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:59.480 and he's had an impact that rinks up there with 191 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.080 the top two three four people I think ever to 192 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:04.840 be on air here, including Allenburg. Who we're going to 193 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:08.320 talk about, Pete want to talk Ramsey's all things Ramsey? Sure, 194 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.960 obviously there's some new developments on that front. But Pete 195 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.879 Boyles was must do radio each and every day for 196 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:17.639 so many decades for so. 197 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:19.000 Many different reasons. 198 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.879 But as well, thank you, but it was we had 199 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:25.759 a few moments, you had decades long stretches, and Ramsey 200 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:30.000 was obviously one big stretch of that. But let's just 201 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:32.759 start at the end. Who do you believe killed John 202 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:34.240 bann A Ramsey her mother? 203 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:39.679 Okay? And what's your best theory on how all this unfolded? Well, 204 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.200 because I know is it to do this show with you? 205 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.799 One got my My Ramsey file and read the headline 206 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:51.080 and I guarantee you that's not in the netflix. 207 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.759 Okay, John ban A Ramsey murder grand jury wanted to 208 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:03.320 indict parents. Yeah, and that's all been confirmed that's public information. Yeah, yeah, 209 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.600 what's And obviously so many people listening, uh were very 210 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:09.919 zeroing at the time or got interested in the story 211 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.399 later and understanding this is all just all of our 212 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.720 best theories that nobody can prove any of this factually. 213 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:20.360 What's what's your theory as to how it actually came down? 214 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.639 The little girl was in a. 215 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.399 Excuse everything I'm going to say between now and the 216 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:32.120 end of the show, she was in essence of show 217 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:37.279 dog and the mother and. 218 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.440 Her you're saying the parents' attitude toward Oh. 219 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:44.679 Sure, and remember maybe remember Aunt Pam, remember pat In 220 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.279 the history of this country, there's only been two sister 221 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:54.919 teams to be Miss fill in the blank. One was Arkansas. 222 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.240 Their back to back sisters were Miss Arkansas and West 223 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:04.000 Virginia Patsy Ramsey and her sister. Her sister was Miss 224 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:09.000 West Virginia as well, and they were I believe they 225 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.279 were prepping that little girl, uh to do much. 226 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.320 What they had done, maybe to go on to be 227 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:16.960 Miss Miss America. 228 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:20.159 Yeah. You and I have talked about the beauty pageant 229 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:20.919 aspect of. 230 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.240 This, and by all counts, Jeanbinnet was extraordinarily talented. 231 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.320 She was all this and right, I mean every Yeah, 232 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.279 we've seen enough. Well one of one of your many 233 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:34.279 things that we've talked about. I remember one night over 234 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:39.240 dinner where we talked about there seemed seemingly an endless 235 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:45.120 supply of that little girl performing and you and you, 236 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.200 you were inquisitive, and you said, where are all of 237 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:53.120 these tapes coming from? Where are all these performances coming from? 238 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.080 It seemed to be every night on television there was 239 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:02.159 another Jean Benet dressed up, doing another song, doing another routine. 240 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.639 I don't know if you remember the conversation, but I'm 241 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.840 not sure. I remember lunch time it is. 242 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.559 And it's funny because Pete and I will be talking 243 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.000 during breaks and I'll talk about these things like a joint, TV, 244 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.440 a pair or whatever, and I'm thinking, wow, it is amazing. 245 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.519 You remember all that. Well, a lot of things I 246 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:21.120 don't remember. 247 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:26.600 Yeah, but we ran up against lynn Wood, who becomes 248 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.159 this defender of Donald Trump, and. 249 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:31.399 Lynn Wood used to leave me. 250 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:33.559 I don't know if the desk is still out there 251 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.120 or not. And I said, why didn't Why wasn't I 252 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.360 smart enough to keep those threats? 253 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.720 That's what they were, threatening messages from lynn Wood he's voicemail. 254 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:44.600 What would they say? 255 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:49.360 He talked like, this is Lynn wood keep it up, 256 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.120 you know, and I'm going to own you and words 257 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:56.039 like that. But you challenged him, and you don't remember this. 258 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:59.360 And you and I were doing somebody's television. We seemed 259 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:01.360 to be doing some but he's television show every night 260 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:06.679 and you called him. You called him on it. He said, 261 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:10.519 if you want to sue somebody, and I mean the 262 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:12.960 exact words aren't there, but you called li in what out? 263 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.159 And he what a wild ride? 264 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:17.120 You know? 265 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.080 Truth is a defense and I I've always made it clear, Hey, 266 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:23.120 these are just theories. I can't prove any of this. 267 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:24.879 I'm trying to figure it out like everybody else. 268 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:28.639 Well, they disliked us so much because if you recall 269 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:33.000 the media divided. Remember there was Paula Woodward and there 270 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:39.679 were this group of beloved by the Ramseys and if 271 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.120 you remember they, I think it was in the Bolderado, 272 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:48.399 but they they built a set and then they invited 273 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.120 I don't know six or seven. I remember Paula being 274 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.519 one of them and Patsy Ramsey. There was a stipulation 275 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.679 that you could do. You could talk to the Ramses 276 00:14:57.720 --> 00:14:59.600 about anything except the. 277 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:02.000 Murder of the little girl. 278 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:04.600 An igh wise guide and said, well, we could talk 279 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:06.039 to Patsy about the euro. 280 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:10.200 Rex I mean right. 281 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:16.559 And then they all huddled around to Ramseys and and 282 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.120 it was Division Street. I mean, it wasn't just it 283 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.879 was the Ramsey Mountain News was the Rocky Mountain News 284 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.799 Channel nine. There's no forgiveness for the game. The game 285 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.759 they're playing now was the venicea whaling? 286 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:34.039 Oh my lord. Yeah. 287 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:36.799 And I don't want to digress, but Polis coming out 288 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.679 and saying that it's a figment of Danielle Cherinsky's imagination. 289 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:40.919 And then you saw the story. 290 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.320 Here's that headlines from the Post or Today's or police 291 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:48.000 detain at least fifteen people after gang related kidnapping torture 292 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.519 at edge of Lowry apartments. And the story goes on 293 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.639 to quote law enforcement is saying it's it's TDA s Yeah, 294 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.720 but Polis says, figment of Jirinsky's imagination. 295 00:15:57.759 --> 00:15:59.000 The Channel nine did as well. 296 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.039 Before our two are over to day. I want to 297 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.200 get your take on Jared Polis. I want to get 298 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.440 your take on Donald Trump. I know we're going to 299 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.559 disagree there, at least to an extent, I want to 300 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.120 get your take on everything under the sun. But what's 301 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.600 your take on this Netflix special on Ramsey. 302 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:16.799 Now I'm doing something I accuse others of not doing. 303 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:22.080 It's a book I haven't read. I've read the scripts, 304 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:28.519 I've read the reviews. As I said, I do not 305 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:32.120 the best of my knowledge believe that they say about 306 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:35.279 the grand jury in nineteen ninety nine wanted to indict 307 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:40.120 and this was the great work you know, Jeff Charlie Brennan. Oh, yeah, 308 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.679 Charlie was a fine Yeah, yeah, great, definitely, and was 309 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.039 pretty much the writer of the book Perfect Murder, Perfect Town. 310 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.080 It was Charlie Brennan. He still works for the Boulder 311 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:57.000 Daily Camera. Somebody in that grand jury broke and I 312 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.000 think you know more about this stuff, but I think 313 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.399 it's called a runaway grand jury. And somebody came out 314 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:06.160 from inside the jury and said, we wanted to indict 315 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:06.839 them both. 316 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:07.680 Now, these are. 317 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.720 The people who sat there, and it was I think 318 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.319 it was eight women and four men. Don't hold me 319 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:17.240 to that, but they saw everything. They saw stuff you 320 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.599 and I never even dreamt was there. They saw every 321 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.119 bit of information and actually your client, man, whose life 322 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:28.680 I think you saved, was can we talk about detectives. 323 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.480 Oh yeah, what a great man, What a great man, 324 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.079 Detective Steve Thomas. I did not save his life at all, 325 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.359 but I think I was privileged to be asked to 326 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:38.400 represent him, and I. 327 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:40.680 Think what a great man. They were after him, They 328 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:41.799 were after a lot of people. 329 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:47.599 And then I think a few years went past, and 330 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:52.440 then I think four four pages got out that they 331 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.519 wanted to indict both John and Patsy for the murder 332 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:01.599 of that little girl. And I amazed if Netflix puts 333 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:02.160 that in there. 334 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:04.000 And can you hit this break? 335 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.440 Pete Boils kind enough to spend two hours in studio 336 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:06.920 with us. 337 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.319 You're up for call stupid question. It's Pete Boils to 338 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.039 take radio five four zero five. 339 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:14.960 Keep you on the. 340 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:19.359 Again that we do have a seven second delay. Get 341 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:22.200 but usually that's for the callers, not the guests, but 342 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:24.559 but here maybe for the guests text yeah, both of 343 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:25.279 us five. 344 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:28.759 That's right altogether, you're on the Dan Caplis Show. 345 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.160 You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. 346 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.519 And Obvious Icon in Denver and Colorado Radio. Pete boyles 347 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.720 in studio for two hours with us this afternoon. We've 348 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.519 started out talking about the Ramsey case. We have much 349 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:55.200 more ground to cover the phone lines. Let's go start 350 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.519 Jane Castlerock, Colorado with Gary are On with Dan Caplis 351 00:18:58.519 --> 00:18:59.160 and much more. 352 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.960 Important than that Peak Oils. Welcome he Gary Grevin. 353 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.720 How are you my two favorite talk show hosts? 354 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:05.960 Wow? 355 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:07.119 Heee. 356 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:09.799 I had a question for you. What's your take on 357 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.599 I saw, you know, one of them one hundred and 358 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:17.079 one different you know, Ramsey Specials or not Ramsey but 359 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:21.960 a jominator. Yeah. Over the years, and they painted a 360 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:27.400 picture for potentially the brother Burke being the murderer. 361 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.119 Remember he's ten years old at the time. 362 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:30.759 Yeah. 363 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.759 And one of the. 364 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.839 Obvious lives of the Ramseys is that John and Patsy 365 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:39.839 had been at the whites House fleet in Priscilla White 366 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:44.279 and they had brought her home quote a sleep and 367 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:48.680 they had a jeep wagoneer whitewood sided jeep wagoneer. 368 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:49.680 Well. 369 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:55.160 Burke Ramsey's favorite dessert was pineapple and cream and they 370 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.039 always kept it in the refrigerator. Well, according to John 371 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:01.440 and Patsy, that they had carried the little girl upstairs 372 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:05.680 to her bedroom, dressed her for you know, undressed her, 373 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:10.160 dressed her for the evening for sleep wear, and that 374 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:13.279 she had never woken up and had never well. When 375 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:15.960 they got to the autopsy and they get into her stomach, 376 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:20.519 they find pineapple and cream in her stomach, which would 377 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:23.240 indicate that she was awake when she came into the 378 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.480 house and she did have something to eat, and what 379 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:31.039 she ate was Burke Ramsey's favorite pineapple and cream. Now 380 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:35.160 that leads people went to there's a there's a theory 381 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:39.000 out there, and we shoot the dice right that she 382 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:40.920 had the two marks on her neck that I think 383 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:45.319 Paula Woodward called a stun gun. Actually, if you take 384 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:50.119 his toy train, Burke's toy train, you'll find that those 385 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:56.160 were the matching marks for a cutolved. You know, here's 386 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.160 here's the part about Burke Ramsey. It's it's stunning. We 387 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.079 know that when Patsy calls nine one one, she doesn't 388 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:08.680 hang up, and the tape continues to run. And according 389 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:10.400 to people that have heard the tape, and I have not, 390 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:12.480 you can hear John. 391 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:18.799 Say go back to bed, that Berke was awake. 392 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:24.319 And now why wouldn't you say, I know how much 393 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:26.319 I love my children and your children, all of us, 394 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:28.759 But why won't you say to that boy, did you 395 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:32.839 hear anything last night? Did you see your sister? Did 396 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:35.920 anybody come upstairs last night? Did you see anything? 397 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:39.000 Not a word. They just tell him to go back 398 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:42.599 to bed. Is this before John Benny was found? 399 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:46.039 Yeah, before before they knew where she was. But according 400 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:49.119 to Pete Boyles, but she was before her body was found. 401 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.839