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Speaker 1: We've never had a day like this. Peter Boyles in
Speaker 1: studio for two hours. If you are new to the planet,
Speaker 1: and Pete, you've seen all these drones out there, so
Speaker 1: we may very well, we may very well have Can
Speaker 1: somebody adjust Pete's audio?
Speaker 3: I got I'm getting a KOA feed I think or
Speaker 3: a news phone? Okay, apologize you sure that's our system here?
Speaker 3: Could that just be Pete's superpowers pro that is wild?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah we are.
Speaker 1: Pete is actually getting a Haowa feed and is that
Speaker 1: which is which is only fitting?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Because how many years did you do on KA I
Speaker 1: can't remember, Yeah year, it was a lot of years.
Speaker 1: So hey, yeah, there were you know, all those all
Speaker 1: those drones flying around everything else. So we may very
Speaker 1: well have Martians in the audience. If we do, and
Speaker 1: you are new to the planet, then then Pete boils
Speaker 1: one of the true icons in Denver radio history. And
Speaker 1: we were just talking about it off air. Pete kind
Speaker 1: of rained and ruled from this very studio for twenty
Speaker 1: three years.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 3: I'm worked here and it's you different wallpaper? Really yeah,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't know. Well, no, man, it's that's changed. But
Speaker 3: the rest of it, all the setups.
Speaker 2: Everything, Danny.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's first of all, thank you for letting
Speaker 3: me come back in here and spend a.
Speaker 2: Couple of hours. Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's like you know, thanking a guy for accepting a
Speaker 1: winning lottery ticket. I mean, And all those years at KOA,
Speaker 1: how many years at KOE And that's where you and
Speaker 1: l Berg met, right.
Speaker 3: When Berg and I med a k wb Z, the
Speaker 3: mother of all talk show hosts. It was there was
Speaker 3: there was once a very small, five thousand watt directional
Speaker 3: daytime radio station kwb Z on West Princeton Avenue off
Speaker 3: of South Broadway. And would he Page worked there? Mike
Speaker 3: Rosen worked there. Wow, I worked there. Berg worked there.
Speaker 3: I mean, any number of guys that you would recognize
Speaker 3: their names today. And I always dubbed it to like
Speaker 3: Saddam member Saddam and the mother of all battles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was the mother of all talk radios.
Speaker 1: How did they attract so much talent to a station
Speaker 1: with less power than my teeth?
Speaker 3: Because no one took talk radio seriously? Talk radio really
Speaker 3: doesn't come into its own And I'm writing about this
Speaker 3: right now. First of all, a lot of credit must
Speaker 3: be given to Rush Limbaugh. Uh. Yeah, he Limbaugh changes
Speaker 3: the face of what we do for a living. But
Speaker 3: no one took us, no one, No one took us seriously.
Speaker 3: A matter of fact, Back to the uh to the
Speaker 3: Ramsey case for a moment. If you recall, I was
Speaker 3: shown the ransom note, not the copy of the ransom note,
Speaker 3: before anyone could see it, and I made the mistake
Speaker 3: of saying on the air that I had seen it,
Speaker 3: only to be to be subpoened.
Speaker 2: What could go wrong? What could God? What could go anyhow?
Speaker 3: So I was in Jefferson County Jail, Jefferson County Jail,
Speaker 3: Jefferson County Courthouse, and they were arguing whether or not
Speaker 3: a talk show host had a press shield if we
Speaker 3: had a First Amendment protection, and of course now we do.
Speaker 3: But then the prosecutors who wanted to put me in
Speaker 3: jail because I wouldn't talk, wouldn't say who had showed
Speaker 3: me the note, and they said, we're going to put
Speaker 3: you in jail, and bringing on, come on, let's go.
Speaker 2: What more could you want? I think we both want to, right,
Speaker 2: Oh kid, Pete old famous.
Speaker 3: Sure, but that that was the That was a three
Speaker 3: day argument whether or not I had a press shield,
Speaker 3: and they granted me a press shield.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, And you obviously you would have gone to jail.
Speaker 1: You would have stayed there as long as he needed to, right.
Speaker 2: How long do you think they would have kept you?
Speaker 2: You know, I thought about that, and I knew that we.
Speaker 3: Both knew the share is too much trouble, and I
Speaker 3: thought this is gonna be one of those al Capone
Speaker 3: goes to they put furniture in there, he gets a steak, right, Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I was willing to go, oh yeah, and you would
Speaker 3: have if you've never met Pete would have stayed there.
Speaker 1: He'd still be there. You know, we could be thirty
Speaker 1: years later, He'll be there.
Speaker 3: Funny icing on the cake. I went to a fundraiser
Speaker 3: with Frank DeAngelis and Tom Tank Cradle, two of the greats,
Speaker 3: and I'm in a child line getting barbecue and a
Speaker 3: little guy guy came up to me said you remember,
Speaker 3: And I said, I apologize, but do I owe you money?
Speaker 3: And he said, I'm the guy that wanted to put
Speaker 3: you in jail.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: The prosecute was the prosecutor.
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: And I one defended on Yeah, you do me a favor. Yeah.
Speaker 2: How much was all that publicity you got for that worth?
Speaker 1: I mean, because again Pete built such a huge audience,
Speaker 1: such a devoted following.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that too. Oh well, we had a fun
Speaker 2: run until it ended.
Speaker 1: You know, don't you wish I would I ever tell
Speaker 1: you about how that ended, because Craig and I had
Speaker 1: it must have been seven plus years. Oh, and I
Speaker 1: get a call for management one day. Good friend of
Speaker 1: mine remains a good friend of mine. Got a call
Speaker 1: for management and they said, hey, man, can you meet
Speaker 1: me over at Starbucks on the way into the show. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: all good, get there is you know this is going
Speaker 1: to be your last show? Well, Tomorrow's your last show.
Speaker 1: But don't tell Craig because we want to tell Craigs.
Speaker 1: But no, it was a great run. But you are unique, truly,
Speaker 1: everybody would agree on that game. You are unique in
Speaker 1: the space in so many different ways. And you know,
Speaker 1: there are those handful of legends you can point to, right,
Speaker 1: who would you put in that? I mean, there's Rosen,
Speaker 1: there's you, there's some of the guys that I came
Speaker 1: in afterwards. But some of the giants.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, remember it's in its infancy and no
Speaker 3: one really knows what it is. It hasn't taken shape,
Speaker 3: it hasn't taken form. It's really a function of FM radio.
Speaker 3: When am Top forty radio, the music moves and the
Speaker 3: kinds of music moves, and it leaves this gap of
Speaker 3: top forty disc jockeys. So much like when television had
Speaker 3: been to television comes along Jack, Benny, Bob Hope, all
Speaker 3: the big names of radio move to television. So that
Speaker 3: leaves a void. And then there's the big orchestras and
Speaker 3: they decided a big union dispute and that gets blown away.
Speaker 2: What do they do? Disc jockeys?
Speaker 3: And there's this legendary moment a guy named Jack Store
Speaker 3: and they're sitting in a bar in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: As the story.
Speaker 3: Goes, Jack Store realizes, as big as this juke.
Speaker 2: Box is, they're only playing thirty or forty different songs. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's the beginning of Top forty radio was when
Speaker 3: it was called store Broadcasting and he knew. So that
Speaker 3: spread like wildfire and they had Top forty.
Speaker 2: Then you had the guys that kind of talk like that.
Speaker 2: Remember those guys mounds and sounds and wax and welas
Speaker 2: they do that.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, strained voice and so those guys, why did
Speaker 3: they talk like that?
Speaker 2: Well there was a word for that. May I use it?
Speaker 2: And of course you can't. You're gonna use it anyway.
Speaker 2: But anyway, they were.
Speaker 3: Called puke p uk e jocks, okay, because they when
Speaker 3: they talk and the talk.
Speaker 2: It was all a Casey case imitation thing.
Speaker 3: Casey didn't talk that way. Casey was more of a
Speaker 3: straight ahead guy. But when you met the real Top
Speaker 3: forty guys and where you live in La, you know,
Speaker 3: they did that and they ruled until two things happened,
Speaker 3: the Warren Vietnam and Richard Nixon and Watergate happened, and
Speaker 3: Jimmy Hendrix was not going to be played on AM radio,
Speaker 3: but they took him to FM. So FM pushes AM
Speaker 3: out again. So now they're stuck. What do we do
Speaker 3: with these signals? And somebody starts out with talk radio,
Speaker 3: and you know, some of the early talkers in California
Speaker 3: and of course New York City and Miami, Larry King
Speaker 3: and guys were making their making their bones. So they
Speaker 3: just said, well, these radio stations like this had a
Speaker 3: morning crew of hallan Arlie.
Speaker 2: You remember Poula Charlie.
Speaker 3: They were they were, they become Lewis and Flora Flora
Speaker 3: Wax and they've they become they become that. So they
Speaker 3: had this this big void and they want talk, and
Speaker 3: talk caught on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now.
Speaker 3: It's moving to podcasting. You know, it seems to be
Speaker 3: it's always in flux, yes, but you don't.
Speaker 2: Know where it is. And we've got to hit this break.
Speaker 1: When we come back for twenty one, Pete Boyles is
Speaker 1: going to tell you who killed John Benney rim right.
Speaker 2: Okay, we can tell yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: For twenty one, you're on the Dan Caplas Show with
Speaker 1: Pete Boyles.
Speaker 6: And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcastay.
Speaker 2: Better than this. Pete Boyle's in studio with us for
Speaker 2: two hours the Icon.
Speaker 1: He's been in there about fifty years now in Denver,
Speaker 1: and he's had an impact that rinks up there with
Speaker 1: the top two three four people I think ever to
Speaker 1: be on air here, including Allenburg. Who we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about, Pete want to talk Ramsey's all things Ramsey? Sure,
Speaker 1: obviously there's some new developments on that front. But Pete
Speaker 1: Boyles was must do radio each and every day for
Speaker 1: so many decades for so.
Speaker 2: Many different reasons.
Speaker 1: But as well, thank you, but it was we had
Speaker 1: a few moments, you had decades long stretches, and Ramsey
Speaker 1: was obviously one big stretch of that. But let's just
Speaker 1: start at the end. Who do you believe killed John
Speaker 1: bann A Ramsey her mother?
Speaker 2: Okay? And what's your best theory on how all this unfolded? Well,
Speaker 2: because I know is it to do this show with you?
Speaker 3: One got my My Ramsey file and read the headline
Speaker 3: and I guarantee you that's not in the netflix.
Speaker 1: Okay, John ban A Ramsey murder grand jury wanted to
Speaker 1: indict parents. Yeah, and that's all been confirmed that's public information. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's And obviously so many people listening, uh were very
Speaker 1: zeroing at the time or got interested in the story
Speaker 1: later and understanding this is all just all of our
Speaker 1: best theories that nobody can prove any of this factually.
Speaker 1: What's what's your theory as to how it actually came down?
Speaker 2: The little girl was in a.
Speaker 3: Excuse everything I'm going to say between now and the
Speaker 3: end of the show, she was in essence of show
Speaker 3: dog and the mother and.
Speaker 2: Her you're saying the parents' attitude toward Oh.
Speaker 3: Sure, and remember maybe remember Aunt Pam, remember pat In
Speaker 3: the history of this country, there's only been two sister
Speaker 3: teams to be Miss fill in the blank. One was Arkansas.
Speaker 3: Their back to back sisters were Miss Arkansas and West
Speaker 3: Virginia Patsy Ramsey and her sister. Her sister was Miss
Speaker 3: West Virginia as well, and they were I believe they
Speaker 3: were prepping that little girl, uh to do much.
Speaker 2: What they had done, maybe to go on to be
Speaker 2: Miss Miss America.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You and I have talked about the beauty pageant
Speaker 3: aspect of.
Speaker 1: This, and by all counts, Jeanbinnet was extraordinarily talented.
Speaker 3: She was all this and right, I mean every Yeah,
Speaker 3: we've seen enough. Well one of one of your many
Speaker 3: things that we've talked about. I remember one night over
Speaker 3: dinner where we talked about there seemed seemingly an endless
Speaker 3: supply of that little girl performing and you and you,
Speaker 3: you were inquisitive, and you said, where are all of
Speaker 3: these tapes coming from? Where are all these performances coming from?
Speaker 3: It seemed to be every night on television there was
Speaker 3: another Jean Benet dressed up, doing another song, doing another routine.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember the conversation, but I'm
Speaker 2: not sure. I remember lunch time it is.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because Pete and I will be talking
Speaker 1: during breaks and I'll talk about these things like a joint, TV,
Speaker 1: a pair or whatever, and I'm thinking, wow, it is amazing.
Speaker 2: You remember all that. Well, a lot of things I
Speaker 2: don't remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we ran up against lynn Wood, who becomes
Speaker 3: this defender of Donald Trump, and.
Speaker 2: Lynn Wood used to leave me.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the desk is still out there
Speaker 3: or not. And I said, why didn't Why wasn't I
Speaker 3: smart enough to keep those threats?
Speaker 2: That's what they were, threatening messages from lynn Wood he's voicemail.
Speaker 2: What would they say?
Speaker 3: He talked like, this is Lynn wood keep it up,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm going to own you and words
Speaker 3: like that. But you challenged him, and you don't remember this.
Speaker 3: And you and I were doing somebody's television. We seemed
Speaker 3: to be doing some but he's television show every night
Speaker 3: and you called him. You called him on it. He said,
Speaker 3: if you want to sue somebody, and I mean the
Speaker 3: exact words aren't there, but you called li in what out?
Speaker 3: And he what a wild ride?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Truth is a defense and I I've always made it clear, Hey,
Speaker 1: these are just theories. I can't prove any of this.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out like everybody else.
Speaker 3: Well, they disliked us so much because if you recall
Speaker 3: the media divided. Remember there was Paula Woodward and there
Speaker 3: were this group of beloved by the Ramseys and if
Speaker 3: you remember they, I think it was in the Bolderado,
Speaker 3: but they they built a set and then they invited
Speaker 3: I don't know six or seven. I remember Paula being
Speaker 3: one of them and Patsy Ramsey. There was a stipulation
Speaker 3: that you could do. You could talk to the Ramses
Speaker 3: about anything except the.
Speaker 2: Murder of the little girl.
Speaker 3: An igh wise guide and said, well, we could talk
Speaker 3: to Patsy about the euro.
Speaker 2: Rex I mean right.
Speaker 3: And then they all huddled around to Ramseys and and
Speaker 3: it was Division Street. I mean, it wasn't just it
Speaker 3: was the Ramsey Mountain News was the Rocky Mountain News
Speaker 3: Channel nine. There's no forgiveness for the game. The game
Speaker 3: they're playing now was the venicea whaling?
Speaker 2: Oh my lord. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to digress, but Polis coming out
Speaker 1: and saying that it's a figment of Danielle Cherinsky's imagination.
Speaker 2: And then you saw the story.
Speaker 1: Here's that headlines from the Post or Today's or police
Speaker 1: detain at least fifteen people after gang related kidnapping torture
Speaker 1: at edge of Lowry apartments. And the story goes on
Speaker 1: to quote law enforcement is saying it's it's TDA s Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Polis says, figment of Jirinsky's imagination.
Speaker 2: The Channel nine did as well.
Speaker 1: Before our two are over to day. I want to
Speaker 1: get your take on Jared Polis. I want to get
Speaker 1: your take on Donald Trump. I know we're going to
Speaker 1: disagree there, at least to an extent, I want to
Speaker 1: get your take on everything under the sun. But what's
Speaker 1: your take on this Netflix special on Ramsey.
Speaker 3: Now I'm doing something I accuse others of not doing.
Speaker 3: It's a book I haven't read. I've read the scripts,
Speaker 3: I've read the reviews. As I said, I do not
Speaker 3: the best of my knowledge believe that they say about
Speaker 3: the grand jury in nineteen ninety nine wanted to indict
Speaker 3: and this was the great work you know, Jeff Charlie Brennan. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: Charlie was a fine Yeah, yeah, great, definitely, and was
Speaker 3: pretty much the writer of the book Perfect Murder, Perfect Town.
Speaker 3: It was Charlie Brennan. He still works for the Boulder
Speaker 3: Daily Camera. Somebody in that grand jury broke and I
Speaker 3: think you know more about this stuff, but I think
Speaker 3: it's called a runaway grand jury. And somebody came out
Speaker 3: from inside the jury and said, we wanted to indict
Speaker 3: them both.
Speaker 2: Now, these are.
Speaker 3: The people who sat there, and it was I think
Speaker 3: it was eight women and four men. Don't hold me
Speaker 3: to that, but they saw everything. They saw stuff you
Speaker 3: and I never even dreamt was there. They saw every
Speaker 3: bit of information and actually your client, man, whose life
Speaker 3: I think you saved, was can we talk about detectives.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what a great man, What a great man,
Speaker 1: Detective Steve Thomas. I did not save his life at all,
Speaker 1: but I think I was privileged to be asked to
Speaker 1: represent him, and I.
Speaker 2: Think what a great man. They were after him, They
Speaker 2: were after a lot of people.
Speaker 3: And then I think a few years went past, and
Speaker 3: then I think four four pages got out that they
Speaker 3: wanted to indict both John and Patsy for the murder
Speaker 3: of that little girl. And I amazed if Netflix puts
Speaker 3: that in there.
Speaker 2: And can you hit this break?
Speaker 1: Pete Boils kind enough to spend two hours in studio
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 2: You're up for call stupid question. It's Pete Boils to
Speaker 2: take radio five four zero five.
Speaker 4: Keep you on the.
Speaker 1: Again that we do have a seven second delay. Get
Speaker 1: but usually that's for the callers, not the guests, but
Speaker 1: but here maybe for the guests text yeah, both of
Speaker 1: us five.
Speaker 2: That's right altogether, you're on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 6: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1: And Obvious Icon in Denver and Colorado Radio. Pete boyles
Speaker 1: in studio for two hours with us this afternoon. We've
Speaker 1: started out talking about the Ramsey case. We have much
Speaker 1: more ground to cover the phone lines. Let's go start
Speaker 1: Jane Castlerock, Colorado with Gary are On with Dan Caplis
Speaker 1: and much more.
Speaker 2: Important than that Peak Oils. Welcome he Gary Grevin.
Speaker 4: How are you my two favorite talk show hosts?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 5: Heee.
Speaker 4: I had a question for you. What's your take on
Speaker 4: I saw, you know, one of them one hundred and
Speaker 4: one different you know, Ramsey Specials or not Ramsey but
Speaker 4: a jominator. Yeah. Over the years, and they painted a
Speaker 4: picture for potentially the brother Burke being the murderer.
Speaker 2: Remember he's ten years old at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And one of the.
Speaker 3: Obvious lives of the Ramseys is that John and Patsy
Speaker 3: had been at the whites House fleet in Priscilla White
Speaker 3: and they had brought her home quote a sleep and
Speaker 3: they had a jeep wagoneer whitewood sided jeep wagoneer.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Burke Ramsey's favorite dessert was pineapple and cream and they
Speaker 3: always kept it in the refrigerator. Well, according to John
Speaker 3: and Patsy, that they had carried the little girl upstairs
Speaker 3: to her bedroom, dressed her for you know, undressed her,
Speaker 3: dressed her for the evening for sleep wear, and that
Speaker 3: she had never woken up and had never well. When
Speaker 3: they got to the autopsy and they get into her stomach,
Speaker 3: they find pineapple and cream in her stomach, which would
Speaker 3: indicate that she was awake when she came into the
Speaker 3: house and she did have something to eat, and what
Speaker 3: she ate was Burke Ramsey's favorite pineapple and cream. Now
Speaker 3: that leads people went to there's a there's a theory
Speaker 3: out there, and we shoot the dice right that she
Speaker 3: had the two marks on her neck that I think
Speaker 3: Paula Woodward called a stun gun. Actually, if you take
Speaker 3: his toy train, Burke's toy train, you'll find that those
Speaker 3: were the matching marks for a cutolved. You know, here's
Speaker 3: here's the part about Burke Ramsey. It's it's stunning. We
Speaker 3: know that when Patsy calls nine one one, she doesn't
Speaker 3: hang up, and the tape continues to run. And according
Speaker 3: to people that have heard the tape, and I have not,
Speaker 3: you can hear John.
Speaker 2: Say go back to bed, that Berke was awake.
Speaker 3: And now why wouldn't you say, I know how much
Speaker 3: I love my children and your children, all of us,
Speaker 3: But why won't you say to that boy, did you
Speaker 3: hear anything last night? Did you see your sister? Did
Speaker 3: anybody come upstairs last night? Did you see anything?
Speaker 2: Not a word. They just tell him to go back
Speaker 2: to bed. Is this before John Benny was found?
Speaker 3: Yeah, before before they knew where she was. But according
Speaker 3: to Pete Boyles, but she was before her body was found.
Speaker 3: Remember this is early. She Patsy claims to have come downstairs.
Speaker 3: She's dressed identically because she was the night before at
Speaker 3: the Whites, and the Whites have pictures of Christmas night
Speaker 3: at their house, and she has on makeup and she
Speaker 3: has on a red sweater and black pants. She answers
Speaker 3: the door UH to the cops dressed exactly the same.
Speaker 3: She's never changed clothes and.
Speaker 4: But validity to the fecal snaring and the like the
Speaker 4: mag light flashlight and the the flashlight with.
Speaker 3: The flashlight was wipe clean. In fact, Patsy's fingerprints are
Speaker 3: not even on the ransom note. Patsy's You can almost
Speaker 3: like if you visualize a mortar. She would wipe the
Speaker 3: batteries and then drop them back into the UH into
Speaker 3: the cell the battery. The the weapon was was the
Speaker 3: cell phone. Cell phone was the was it was the
Speaker 3: three or its four celled flashlight. It was on the counter,
Speaker 3: and it was white, It was wipe clean. There was
Speaker 3: not a fingerprint either on the batteries. The lenses are
Speaker 3: on the shaft of the of the flashlight. And in
Speaker 3: fact Patsy's fingerprints weren't even on the ransom note, and
Speaker 3: so her claim to have picked up the note off
Speaker 3: the stairs kind of goes out the window. But the
Speaker 3: other part of his And I always thought about this too.
Speaker 3: If if my daughter were gone and my son woke up,
Speaker 3: would I not say to him, did you see your sister?
Speaker 3: Did you see anybody in the house? Did you hear anything?
Speaker 3: Where did she go?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: John told the kid to go back to bed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: strong points.
Speaker 4: They painted a picture that the brother and sister got
Speaker 4: into an argument and he just went into summer age,
Speaker 4: and that he had at one point smeared feces all
Speaker 4: over the house and just you know, potentially kind of
Speaker 4: said that he had possibly some sort of mental health
Speaker 4: issues and then that was possibly kind of his breaking point.
Speaker 3: It would have been very hard to be burke. Frankly,
Speaker 3: I've thought about that. I mean, your sister is the
Speaker 3: darling she's the she's the show dog.
Speaker 4: Attention, all the clothes, she got everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you're going to say something, Daniel, Oh no, No,
Speaker 3: Gary appreciate the call.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1: Want to try to get all the callers in.
Speaker 2: My own take on this.
Speaker 1: Everything I've ever seen, I've never seen anything that that
Speaker 1: made me believe that either Burke or John Ramsey were
Speaker 1: involved in a crime against this this little girl. And
Speaker 1: I've always had a theory that you've always disagreed with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the night we had the disagreement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do want to run that theory by
Speaker 1: people in a bit, because I still think it's a
Speaker 1: pretty strong theory. But I'm the first to say I
Speaker 1: simply don't know. At this point, I can't prove any
Speaker 1: of this, but but I know that this is a case.
Speaker 1: And why Pete in the last minute or two we
Speaker 1: have before breaking, I want to squeeze it Downe from
Speaker 1: Colorado Springs. Then we'll get to other callers and textures.
Speaker 1: Why do you think this particular heinous crime is captivated
Speaker 1: in America American in a way that very few others have.
Speaker 3: My answer is your answer, unlimited tapes of this little
Speaker 3: kid performing the tapes themselves, and Carol McKinley and I
Speaker 3: attempted to go to one of these pageants and they
Speaker 3: id'd me in about two seconds.
Speaker 2: You beat it.
Speaker 3: But there seems to be unlimited amount of performing art
Speaker 3: in some ways you can compare and contrast us to OJ.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of OJ in this, but
Speaker 3: I think she was such a beautiful little girl, an
Speaker 3: unlimited performance behavior of the parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you get to okay, why does this with
Speaker 1: so much awful crime in America, why does this captivate
Speaker 1: America this way? OJ, You're right, that same question arises
Speaker 1: there an easier starting point, right because you've got O. J.
Speaker 2: Simpson, sure, a pro heisman, et cetera. Did you win
Speaker 2: the heisman? I can't remember, but he was all that.
Speaker 1: But with this, obviously none of these people were famous,
Speaker 1: famous before, et cetera. So I've always believed that you're right,
Speaker 1: I mean, without the videos to fuel things. But also,
Speaker 1: you know, the wealth of the parents, Boulder, Colorado, the
Speaker 1: obviously you know, very talented young lady, all of that.
Speaker 1: But it's still even today, Oh sure, even today, Oh
Speaker 1: where you're from, man coll right, somebody will mention the
Speaker 1: John Benet Ramsey case and.
Speaker 2: It's almost been thirty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's try to get Don in here from Colorado
Speaker 1: Springs with Pete Boyles on the dan KAPLA.
Speaker 4: You'll welcome done.
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I just want to say I agree with
Speaker 7: Peter earlier about the major markets embracing news.
Speaker 5: Talk and all of that.
Speaker 2: But I mean I said to Peter.
Speaker 5: One time, and you disagree with me that Denver was
Speaker 5: kind of ground zero for the news talk format. Maybe not,
Speaker 5: but I will say it's probably a middle market at
Speaker 5: the time, or smaller market than though that was a
Speaker 5: good breeding ground for news talk. I mean KLA dropping music, kwbzy, you,
Speaker 5: Mike Rosen being on that station, in the other stations
Speaker 5: trying when kwbzy bout out, So, I mean, you really
Speaker 5: were one of the vanguards of Denver talk radio. And
Speaker 5: like I said, congratulations to you all.
Speaker 2: You're kind. Hey, don don't you think part of it?
Speaker 1: And Pete, don't you think part of it is just
Speaker 1: like in so many different areas, I mean, Colorado is
Speaker 1: such a beautiful place to live. It just seems to
Speaker 1: attract top talent in lots of different fields.
Speaker 3: But we're also a feeder of the city of the
Speaker 3: format is a feeder. But if you look at the
Speaker 3: timeframe that the caller is talking about, it's on fire
Speaker 3: in New York, it's on fire in Miami, it's doing
Speaker 3: very well in Washington.
Speaker 2: D c LA started off. I mean, were there.
Speaker 3: It's an explosion of a new format because the old
Speaker 3: formats are failing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the Constantine birth help both Triple A. Although
Speaker 7: you have Kingkin Portland, Oregon and w X in Chicago
Speaker 7: very more KBCL, but Constantine was helpful in bringing the
Speaker 7: tiple A format in those stations together.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's very great call man. Hey, sure appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: When we come back again, Everything under the Sun with
Speaker 1: Pete Boyles, want to talk about some of the you know,
Speaker 1: current topics as well. I know there's plenty we disagree
Speaker 1: on there, which is always fun. We've had fun disagreeing
Speaker 1: for a lot of decades. That's some important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the part that when we talked about what
Speaker 3: did happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll run my theory by you, because again,
Speaker 1: just a theory can't prove it, but I still think
Speaker 1: it's it's probably the most viable theory. So We'll start
Speaker 1: by disagreeing about that. Pete boyleson studio. You're on the
Speaker 1: Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6: And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast to
Speaker 6: the planet.
Speaker 1: Pete, one of the iconic figures in the history of
Speaker 1: Denver media, let alone radio, and just to be able
Speaker 1: to sort of tap his memory lane here is a
Speaker 1: blast and again over the decades, we've agreed on plenty,
Speaker 1: disagreed on plenty, but just always enjoyed doing it with
Speaker 1: each other. Eight five to five for zero five A
Speaker 1: two five five the number text d an five seven
Speaker 1: seven three nine if you want to talk to Pete. Pete,
Speaker 1: quickly my theory, because I know we have callers, we
Speaker 1: have textures, all sorts of things going on here, and
Speaker 1: I want to get to some of these current.
Speaker 2: Issues with you.
Speaker 1: I want to get your take on Trump, the next
Speaker 1: Trump administration, on Polis, on the state of Colorado politics.
Speaker 1: Just after the top will have poll results in the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party on who their favorites are for governor now
Speaker 1: that Polis is finally leaving. But quickly my theory, and
Speaker 1: I know you disagree with it. My theory can't prove it,
Speaker 1: don't know it to be true, but it's it's my
Speaker 1: best take on what happened, just following the evidences I
Speaker 1: know it is is that, and believe me, I get it.
Speaker 1: You know the evidence a lot better than too. I
Speaker 1: note that you have a job, you have a life
Speaker 1: studied it in such depth. Here's my quick take. The
Speaker 1: movie Ransom is out at the time. Remember that Mel
Speaker 1: Gibson Ransom, this handsome, successful CEO type whose child is
Speaker 1: kidnapped and mel Gibson takes on the kidnappers, engineers this
Speaker 1: successful return becomes a world famous hero. So my theory
Speaker 1: is that Patsy Ramsey wanted John Beny to be famous,
Speaker 1: and that Patsy Ramsey arranged a fake kidnapping of John Benay.
Speaker 1: The intent was that she would be held safely. Patsy
Speaker 1: would then safely engineer her return. I don't think John
Speaker 1: Ramsey was involved in any of this, and that something
Speaker 1: went wrong in the execution of that and the child
Speaker 1: was badly injured and then maybe killed to cover it
Speaker 1: all up, but that it was planned as a fake
Speaker 1: kidnapping with John Beny to be returned safely at some point.
Speaker 2: One piece of.
Speaker 1: Evidence I'd cite in favor of that is and you
Speaker 1: may say this is all bs, but who is the
Speaker 1: woman one of the books.
Speaker 2: One of the books talked about.
Speaker 1: A woman close to the family, maybe a family member,
Speaker 1: who said that Joan Beney had told her that her
Speaker 1: parents had told her, maybe her mama told her that
Speaker 1: she was Santa Claus was going to pay a special
Speaker 1: visit to her late on Christmas night. So that that,
Speaker 1: you know, supports that theory in my mind if it's true,
Speaker 1: because Joan Beney is then being prepared for some third
Speaker 1: party to be introduced into all of this.
Speaker 2: So that's my theory.
Speaker 3: I'm sticking to it well, and that eventually becomes Santa
Speaker 3: Claus mc reynolds.
Speaker 2: Is there a name out of the past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the biggest fact is she's wearing the same
Speaker 3: Christmas sweater from the night before, with her makeup still
Speaker 3: on when she answers the door for the cops, and
Speaker 3: the note, by the way says, if we so much
Speaker 3: as see the cops, she's dead. She never wants to
Speaker 3: sleep the night of the murder, and she claims she
Speaker 3: went to bed and was asleep at the time of
Speaker 3: the murder. Patsy was very high maintenance, would have never
Speaker 3: been caught dead in the same outfit twice. She was
Speaker 3: the last person to see John Benay awake. The bogus
Speaker 3: ransom note was found in the house. Was her personal
Speaker 3: notepad was hidden away in her drawer. The ransom note
Speaker 3: also was in her handwriting.
Speaker 2: Just flipped. She is who she is.
Speaker 3: And it was never a who done it. It was
Speaker 3: when the and I wrote a column was called it.
Speaker 3: They had a phone tree, and the one thing about
Speaker 3: the oj residents was they kept everybody out, And so
Speaker 3: Patsy and John started calling friends. They called Reverend Hoverstock,
Speaker 3: they called the Fernies, they called the Whites, the Rookie
Speaker 3: Denver Denver Bolder police were in there. Linda Aren't if
Speaker 3: you remember Linda and Linda Aren't. Was handed the dead
Speaker 3: body and put the body under the Christmas tree. The
Speaker 3: crime scene has and I don't I'm with you. I
Speaker 3: don't believe John was involved, and I don't believe Burke was.
Speaker 3: But I think there has to come a time in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night someplace where Patsy goes to
Speaker 3: John and they make a corporate decision. And I think
Speaker 3: we said it either on the air or off there.
Speaker 3: But in that dark room I think there's a what
Speaker 3: we used to go a foot locker. She was in there,
Speaker 3: and so when they hunted in the house, they couldn't
Speaker 3: find her. But when finally Linda, Linda Arndt says one
Speaker 3: more search, John blines down the stairs, followed by I
Speaker 3: think Fernie was behind him and fleet White was behind him,
Speaker 3: and he screams. And this is my theory where John
Speaker 3: can see in the dark, and I think he opens
Speaker 3: the suitcase. And when they bring her upstairs and they
Speaker 3: hand her to Linda Aren't, and Linda Aren't puts her
Speaker 3: corpse under the Christmas tree. And then the Ramsays have
Speaker 3: the first of their lawyers. I don't know when they
Speaker 3: get hal Hadden, but they eventually end up with hal Hadden. Now,
Speaker 3: and they were going to leave town. He called this
Speaker 3: pilot and said we're leaving town. And I think it
Speaker 3: was fleet White that confronts him with John my god,
Speaker 3: and they let her spend the night. Now this is
Speaker 3: an irish thing, but she spends the night in the
Speaker 3: morgue by herself, her body. Once you have been sitting
Speaker 3: next to your daughter in that and there's just so
Speaker 3: many psychological it's and pieces to this but you know,
Speaker 3: they shopped for light detector tesk givers.
Speaker 2: They did everything.
Speaker 3: And in fact, here's the question that you ask And
Speaker 3: someone asked me this and it was on one of
Speaker 3: those final shows that we.
Speaker 2: Did, and I said, what was it? You would really
Speaker 2: like to know, Peter?
Speaker 3: And I said, I would really like to know what
Speaker 3: Patsy Ramsey's dreams. We hear every night the Devil must
Speaker 3: count wow and dancing her dreams. The case that is
Speaker 3: a acrypt the nation to this day, like very few
Speaker 3: others have. The Ramsey Case and Pete Boyles covered it
Speaker 3: from this very seat for so many years.
Speaker 1: They'll stay with us another hour. We'll talk about everything
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