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Speaker 1: I love that song so much. That is piece in

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your sound. That is Jamie Higgs, and I believe we

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have Jamie Higgs with us via WhatsApp. Jamie, are you there?

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Speaker 2: I am indeed hems hey.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. I've been really looking forward to

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talking with you. I do love that song so much.

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The first time I listened to it, it was stuck

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in my head just I could not could not get

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it out of my brain. Jenny loves it too. What

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a what a great track that is. Congratulations on that.

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Is that your newest single?

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Speaker 3: It well, firstly, thank you very much to really appreciate

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that feedback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nice to hear. And yet that's our laser's release.

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Speaker 3: So it was actually the face single pro out in

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two years. Okay, and it's only asked like my personal

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second ever single. It's our face as a band.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: It's like a new beginning, right right. That's yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, So I saw something you said in

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an interview about that that song. Is this correct that

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that song only took twenty minutes to write It came

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together really fast?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It's a very very simple song. It's

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like three chordes. It literally just.

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Speaker 3: I think I was listening to a Dire Street song

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and it was about the melody. Even they had a

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lot more complex complex with their music. Was very it's

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just a nice melody. And then I was just pressing

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about with these chordes, and funny enough, I was in

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a rush. We had somewhere to be and I just

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come up with this line of piecing your sound. And

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I was like that to my wife, was that you're

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gonna have to wait, just give me a minute, because.

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Speaker 2: You always onto.

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Speaker 3: I was like, you just feel the energy. I was

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onto something and I just had to finish writing this song.

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And then I made a note in my phone with

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the lyrics. We got in the car, and then I

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made a voice notes singing like the full track as

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a melody, just a cappellad in the car, and I

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was like a song formed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, i's till you know you've got something though

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that when when it's when it's easy, right, when it

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just kind of comes to you quickly but it's good,

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then you know you've got something really good because you

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didn't have to force it. It was just natural. It

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just kind of you know, manifests in your brain or

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however it works, you know, whatever your process is for

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coming up with something like that. No, it's it's really good.

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Speaker 2: And thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it is kind of simple, right in

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terms of the chords, and you know what they say,

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three chords and the truth. But but what you take

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and then do with that, that's what counts. And I

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love the lyrics, and can you talk to us a

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little bit about the lyrics.

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Speaker 2: It seems like.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of about finding like sort of finding peace

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in the chaos of life. That's sort of what I

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took from it. Am I am? I on the right.

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Speaker 2: Track, absolutely right. Yeah. So it's.

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Speaker 3: So I'm married with two kids, which is chaos in itself,

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and then obviously a gig like three or four nights

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a week, and the music scenes very chaotic. Yeah, so

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I found then obviously with your friends and your social life,

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I just found life is very loud and chaotic all

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the time, it seems, yes, and sometimes it can kind of.

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Speaker 2: Get you down because you feel like you don't have

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a minute to breathe.

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Speaker 3: And then in the moments of writing that song, I

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was like, I love my life even though it's very

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crazy and loud, It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I'm surrounded by amazing people. I loved me job of singing.

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Speaker 3: I was like, my piece is in the sound because

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I know people who don't have a lot going on

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for themselves and then spending a lot of time on

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their own actually struggle with depression and everything else.

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Speaker 2: So it's actually being busy and.

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Speaker 3: Having a loud life. That's where the piece is. So

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it's kind of based around that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that. That really connects with me.

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lot of people. You know, even if you have you know,

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and things are very very busy, but you know, you

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can get overwhelmed. Even when life is really really good,

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you can get get overwhelmed. And sometimes you have to

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be able to stop and take and all the good

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things that you have. And you know, and and you know, uh,

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in America, we talk a lot about gratitude and you know,

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and yeah, you know, but but it but it really

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is important and you know, and and to be able

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to find piece in the chaos. And no, I love

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that song. It's very very catchy too, are you. I'm

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curious about your influences because obviously, like I think a

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little bit about Oasis when I hear that song that

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sounds like something that might have been might have fit

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well on definitely maybe for example, I'm a big Oasis fan.

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assume you've taken something from the Gallagher brothers, but but

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probably a lot more than that too, So I'm curious

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about your influences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: I think as a guitarist ever and a similar sort

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of influencers. So when you think like singer songwriter, so

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you've got like your songs of you Bob Dylan's and

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your Bruce Springsteen's and even like more modern times with

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Speaker 2: I know Edging's a lot considered a lot more pop.

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Speaker 3: But if you played guitar in the last decade, you've

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took inspiration from Edgy and you have to sure.

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Speaker 2: And then I think, obviously I love David Gray.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how big David Gray is in America,

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but he'd done an album called the White Ladder Album.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was, he was. He was really big

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here at one point. Yeah, David Gray, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I think he peaked with that album.

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Speaker 3: It was in like the nineties, but like that that

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inspired so much to me writing for a long time,

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and then I got more into the band stuff. So

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maybe like a band called the Kooks, who like a

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big British band. Then you've got obviously your Oasis and

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Beatles and everyone else.

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Speaker 2: And I think I've tried.

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Speaker 3: To take the singer song right, sort of heart filled lyrics,

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but put it with like a sort of indie pop

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music try and try and made them too.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess that's the way I kind

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of look at it.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I think I have to give like, for this song,

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we have to give big credit to my guitarist, Eddie Ponting,

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because I loved what I wrote and I love the song,

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but because of the simplicity of it, I couldn't seem to.

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Speaker 2: Fall in love with it, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: And then we were jamming in the room and he'd

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just done that riff that down't down, and when he

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done that, it was like love a face sight. As

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soon as he'd done that, I was like, that's what

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makes the song. That's what gives it, like the full feel,

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that's what's going to help sell it. So that was

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Speaker 1: I was also reading that you you started guitar playing

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kind of lay, you know, in contrast with most people.

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younger you are, the more you know. In terms of research,

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you're younger. So if you start an instrument, just like

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learning a language, the younger you start the better in theory.

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But you started when you were nineteen, Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I like you, Matt. You've done the research.

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Speaker 1: Oh I try, I try.

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Speaker 2: It's good that I like her.

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Speaker 1: What was it that made you start at nineteen? What

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was it that inspired you to start learning guitar? Or

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maybe it just kind of happened organically.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was.

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Speaker 3: I'd met a couple of new friends at like eighteen,

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I got me faced job, I was wearing the suits.

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eighteen with working with men and everything else. And I

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met a few older lads and they roll into different

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genres of music and just different things in life in general.

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them was just playing a guitar and I just, I

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don't know, I just seen it. Yeah, that that line again,

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love face sight. When I seen it, I was like,

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that just looks cool. It sounds amazing. So then I

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just kind of saw his name was Michael. He always

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moans that I don't mention.

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Speaker 2: Him, Okay, so give him his little showers.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, just something about it. I'd never really grew

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up around that type of music. Yeah, so I always

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joke saying I grew up in like a ghetto. So

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it was like I didn't see a lot of it,

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and then once I kind of discovered it, I just

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loved it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I assume because it sounds like you were pretty motivated,

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like once you started, once you started learning, did you

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learn quickly that it did?

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Speaker 3: It comes It's become like an addiction. It become like

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I just I love doing it. I don't even know why. Yeah,

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maybe maybe it was escapism.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It was just something to bury into. And I'm not

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I'm not an overly emotional person. But with the guitar,

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with the with the guitar. I'm me writing it. It's

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like that's my way of getting it out. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: That that makes sense, No, absolutely, because I think a

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lot of creative people I think you know, and obviously

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we talk to creative people all the time on the show,

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and I think that we tend to When I say we,

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so good at expressing or emoting you know, emotions and

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feelings just in our everyday lives in terms of dealing

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with people interpersonally, but it comes out through our art.

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So that makes a lot of sense. And you know,

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use the word therapy, I mean music, you know, creating anything,

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whether it's music or visual art or whatever it is

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that you're creating. I think that is the best therapy

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because that's a way to kind of work things out

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and express things and and you know, kind of show

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everyone what you're feeling and what you're thinking and and.

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Speaker 3: Then yeah, that's the beauty of art, isn't it. Matter

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like you just hit the nail on the head as

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you say. It's an expression.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it.

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Speaker 3: And the beauty of art is I can express and

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say a song form people are listening to it and

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they'll take their own expression out of it. Yes, It's

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like that's what kind of makes are cool. Yeah, So

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I definitely love that side, and it's something when I

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first got into I never really considered that I've.

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Speaker 2: Just done it sort of naturally.

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Speaker 3: And then over the years you just kind of learn

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these things that you learn about yourself through your songwriting.

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you might have an idea or an emotional or something,

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but you have no idea what's about to come out, right,

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You don't have no idea what you're about to write.

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no Way twenty minutes later some Saturday with this song

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that went on to become what I sort of classes

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are first release. Yes, you just you have no idea

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that that's where it's going. And that's what I love

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about it. It's creating something out and nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of an adventure. You don't know how

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it's going to end up and when you bring when

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you bring other people to into the process, like your

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guitar player, who came up with that that riff that

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is so central to that song? And then it's like, wow, Okay,

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and that that you know, that really helps.

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Speaker 3: It helps massively, not just in the same terms of like,

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so the creation of the song then becomes a big,

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bigger and better because there's more influence. But also from

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a personal point of view, when it comes to performing

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the song or talking about the song, I don't have

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as much ego because I know it's not all me.

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In the past, when you talk about your music, you

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always feel a bit egotistical talking about your art because oh,

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it's it's all.

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Speaker 2: Me and look how good I am and all that.

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It just comes across the bit. Yeah exactly, it just

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comes across a bit ego.

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Speaker 3: But because all the band have helped and shape the song,

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I feel like I can perform it and talk about

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it with less weight.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's more freeom That makes sense, Yeah, enjoy

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that side of it.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. It sounds like collaboration is very important

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to you, I don't know. I mean, am I am

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I right about that? Is it? Is it really important?

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Because you know some artists. To some artists it's kind

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of the opposite. Some don't want to let anybody in,

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you know what I mean, And that's that's fine too.

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You know somebody who just says a solo acoustic thing,

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for example, and maybe they don't want to work with

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other people. Maybe they just want to write their songs

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and play their songs and that's it. But it sounds

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like to you collaboration is really important.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a balance. For me, I think, well

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that's where it. Obviously life changes constantly and so does

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your mindset. But for me at the minute, it's a balance.

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So I love having the final say I would. I'd

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admit that. I like being the one who says that.

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Ways that doesn't I do like having that sort of.

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Speaker 2: Control, if you will.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I also love saying to the lads, I

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don't want to tell you what to play, just feel

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feel the music, feel emotion and to be playing something,

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and I'll and I'll say no to be honest, I

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don't like that, or you'll do something to go wow,

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play that again. Can you maybe change it a little bit?

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or I do like to try and have the last

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say what I think is the best sound or yeah, yeah,

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it's a balance balance on act.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious about the band dynamic because you you

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know online you you basically you know, you sort of

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prevent present I should say, as a as a solo artist.

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But but you have a band that that records with

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you and and uh and plays live shows with you,

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I assume, right, And I assume it's the same people

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in the studio who also play with you live.

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Speaker 2: Yes and no, so we do.

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Speaker 3: We do have a set band, but it's already changed twice.

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Oh and we've only been We've only been going like

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three months. So part of the reasons sticking with the

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Jamie Higgs is my name in Liverpool was doing well

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at the time.

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Speaker 2: I think Me and Me Instagram was getting like nearly half.

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Speaker 3: A million yews a month, So it didn't make sense

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to change the name at the time, right, right, because

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you'd lose lose that momentum. And then I think over

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the last few months it kind of seems like a

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good decision because we've been changing band members and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I really want a band name. I just wanted to

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be a step band.

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Speaker 3: So we're everyone's invested in it, where at the minute

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it's like it's a it's a little bit of than that.

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Speaker 2: But we're doing good. But we're all great players. It's

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just everyone's very busy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're just I think the idea is to

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get like seven band members and there'll always be someone

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who can't can't make it until we get until we

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get to a point where people don't want to miss out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I always hate talking about this side. It was the

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side of the music and people don't really expose. But

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once you've made it, everyone obviously wants to be involved.

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Oh yeah, clamb and of that clamor of that ladder.

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It's it's obviously hard to get people to commit two

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nights a week and traveling to places where you're not

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gonna make much money, probably gonna cost more money to

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go and play the gig dinner is to make. So

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it's trying to find that level of quality players and commitment.

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I think that's the hardest bit of the band industry.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know that pain. I don't play anymore,

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but I've played in a lot of bands and over

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the years, and yeah, the hardest part to me is

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exactly what you described. It's like, you know, if you're

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in a band with three other people or four other people,

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and and it's you know, everybody's got a different level.

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You know, hopefully the levels are close, but everyone has

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their own level of commitment that they're able to bring

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or willing to bring, and maybe different goals and aspirations

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you might have. You know, you might have someone in

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the band who says, I want to take this as

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far as it can possibly go, and you might have

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someone else in the band who feels more like, no,

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this is a hobby for me. I know, I know

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this isn't going anywhere. I'm just doing this for fun.

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You know, there's all kinds of dynamics that can play there,

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and that can be really challenging trying to navigate that,

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especially when not everyone's moving in the same direction. And

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there's also drama that can happen too. But what I

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think a lot of people don't realize is, you know,

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for it not to work out, it doesn't have to

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be about drama. It's not always about drama. Sometimes it's

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just a matter of different people have different priorities and

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that can be really hard.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, like you sum that up very well there,

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and just as an example. So we had a bit

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of a band meeting and a rehearsal on Wednesday. We

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address the issues and there's absolutely zero bad feeling in

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the band. Everyone understands what I was saying. Yeah, I

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am I love every I love everyone. I said something

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at the time, I appreciate everyone's time and effort up

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to this point. I was like, but I kind of

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need more. And that's not a knock on anyone, even

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from yourself. You've got a demand more from yourself and

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everyone around you. That's the only way to keep pushing up.

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And I said to the lads, what I'm going to

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do is because I didn't want to do it behind

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anyone's back, is I'm going to get a few new

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band members into trials because it doesn't mean anyone's going to.

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Speaker 2: Be pushed out. I was like, but it's kind of

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my way.

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Speaker 3: I'm putting a bit of pressure on your toes to

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see how you react, and.

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Speaker 2: If someone else comes in who was willing to.

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Speaker 3: Push more, then that's when it might be thanks for

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your time, but someone else is willing to do more.

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Speaker 2: And it's just it.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a brutal side of it, but again,

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there was no bad feelings.

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Speaker 2: Everyone understood. Everyone's still happy, and that's good. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was just a conversation that needs to be hard

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because I love where we've got.

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Speaker 2: To for now. But obviously I'm pushing to me, I'd

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love to be number one in the world at some point.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'll ever be there, but if you

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don't push for that, then you're never going to get

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as high as you can.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly, did you have anxiety going into that, because

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that would be that that's the kind of thing that

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would would make me nervous, like because I'm the kind

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of person, whether it's personally or professionally, I dread having

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to risk hurting anyone's feelings. I I and and you know,

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obviously you go into it not with the idea that

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it's a confrontation, but just a very mature You're going

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to express this in a mature, professional manner and with positivity.

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Speaker 2: But you did.

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Speaker 1: There's that little thing there where you don't know how

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everyone's going to necessarily react, right, I would be anxious

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doing that. Were you anxious doing that?

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Speaker 3: I suppose I understand what you're saying. And it wasn't

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like a conversation I was looking forward to. It wasn't

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something that yeah I was excited excited about doing. Yeah,

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well I wasn't. I wasn't dreaded it because I thought

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it was a conversation that needed to be had. So

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it was like, like, I've always played football or soccer,

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as you might say, I've always played that for my

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whole life. So I use it as a conference a

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conference speak. I use it as a constant reference point.

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So playing football, I was the captain for my team

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for like ten years, so there's loads of times when

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we had to have serious conversations, and there's times when

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you have to question people's commitment levels and output levels.

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Speaker 2: And it's not a slight at anyone.

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Speaker 3: It's not trying to put anyone down. It's demand them more.

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And I unfortunately, like music is a business and it's

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something that you want to achieve it and be successful

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as much as it's fun and we enjoy it and

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we love it, I want to play to the biggest

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crowds and to the biggest radio stations in the world

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if we can. And the only way to sort of

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have that ambition and is that the man more of

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myself and everyone else around me. So it was just

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one of them conversations I felt needed to be hard.

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I've done it in the best way I could, sure,

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calm and as pleasurable as you can make it. And

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I think the lads took it well. Everyone was Everyone

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understood what I was saying, and yeah, everyone was happy.

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We still then jammed and enjoyed our session. And yeah,

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we'll just I said to them, in two weeks time,

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it could still be all us and everyone's just leveled

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up and took what I said on board.

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Speaker 2: But we could have a different drummer or a different guitar.

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I don't know. But it was just something that needed

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to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like your background too as a team

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captain really really helps you out there. You know, it's

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funny too, because it's not something that someone would necessarily

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expect would translate, but you know that having that skill set,

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but but but it clearly does, and that's that's great.

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But it makes sense too because this is a very

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you know, the music industry is very competitive. You know,

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sports is competitive, and the music industry is very competitive,

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and you know, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Not one hundred percent agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I actually had this little conversation to myself, like going

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into Wednesday night, so I was like, I never thought

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like the football stuff would translations to the music stuff

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as much because it's.

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Speaker 2: In my head.

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Speaker 3: I keep saying, I'm trying to build a team of

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like photographers videographers. So we've got like the Peace and

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Love Project, which a project based on the purely do

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loads of videography and photography for artists, and we have

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them helping us outloads. And we've got Liam Gerrards and

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Louisy Neighbor who's helping like manage and promoters at the minute.

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Speaker 2: And then there's people he knows like Shell and Lee

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and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: And then Gary from the PR team who's probably organized this. Like,

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we've had loads of people helping us, and that's what

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a love like. Maybe you're right when you're saying earlier

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about the collaboration stuff. I know for a fact I

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couldn't achieve it on the own. Yeah, there's no there's

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absolutely no way. So I'm trying to build a big

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team and a good team. You all want to achieve something.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say it's just funny how it sounds like

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through the football because you want to win your league,

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you want to win the cup.

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Speaker 2: Or if it all comes in with the drive and yeah,

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to win mentality.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh no, no, So what's kind of

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the future? So speaking of that, So what's what's the future?

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Uh trajectory here? What's what's your plan? Because you obviously

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you approach this uh seriously, and and I assume that

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you've got strategies and and so forth in terms of

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how you're proceeding. You're you're you're clearly not someone who

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just throws it all against the wall and sees what sticks,

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which is what a lot of musicians do, which is

475
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,519
which is fine. But but I sense that you've probably

476
00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:54,680
got a pretty clear strategy going forward.

477
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do.

478
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,039
Speaker 3: But I get I think it's about you think sometimes

479
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:02,279
because it is art at the end of the day,

480
00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:04,200
you never want to lose that side of it, So

481
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,319
you do need to just throw some stuff at the

482
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:08,480
wall and see what sticks. But at the same time,

483
00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:15,119
it's been sort of savvy enough to understand what is sticking.

484
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,720
Like there's no point in just keep on throwing stuff.

485
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,680
You kind of see what sticks and like work with

486
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:23,799
some of that stuff as well as adding to it

487
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:27,559
and having a direction. So we in my head it's

488
00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:32,039
like a two year plan, yeah, which again I understand

489
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:36,279
because the art and this is very easy going and

490
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,200
sort of creative freedom, which I love. I still like

491
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,359
the side of it, yeah, because I do have the

492
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,279
ambition of I want to achieve something. I've set myself

493
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,359
like a two year plan to go with the creative

494
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,359
side of it, and I'm hoping that's what helps us.

495
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,839
So I know what we've got come up in a

496
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,720
couple of months, I know what one plan for next year,

497
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,599
and I know what we're a one be in two

498
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,799
years time, whether all that comes together, whether it changes

499
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,759
on the way, which I imagine at all will I'm

500
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:08,680
expecting for that.

501
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: We have an old saying name.

502
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: Prepare for the waste, hope for the best, yeap, and

503
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,240
like that's kind of way mentality is.

504
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, And it's important to plan, but it's

505
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,640
also important to be flexible and be able to adapt

506
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,000
and and you know, to kind of be limber with that.

507
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:27,079
Is it hard, by the way, balancing that you mentioned

508
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:28,079
you have you have two kids?

509
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

510
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,319
Speaker 1: Is it hard balancing all of that? Which I mean

511
00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:32,880
we talked a little bit about it earlier, and that's

512
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,400
kind of where a piece in your sound comes from.

513
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:34,599
Speaker 3: Right.

514
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,279
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, are your kids, I don't know

515
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:40,279
how old they are, Like do they understand what you

516
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,319
do and that you create music and and and why

517
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:46,920
it's important to you and all that? And I'm curious too,

518
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,319
while we're at it, do they have any musical Do

519
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,039
you see any musical inclinations from them? You know, they

520
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,640
do they show any interest in maybe picking up an instrument.

521
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,440
I assume they're very young because you're a young guy.

522
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:59,839
But but I'm curious about that dynamic.

523
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:05,599
Speaker 3: Well, obviously i've been lying ever said it was easy.

524
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,559
Anyone who's got a family will tell you that's hard

525
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:09,119
in itself.

526
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,559
Speaker 2: It's a it's a constant battle. Kids just don't.

527
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: Want to do is he's told. But that's I love him. That,

528
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,519
that honestly the absolute inspiration in my life. Good me

529
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,920
little boy, kay, And he's four. And then I've got

530
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,039
a little girl, Rosabella who's six months.

531
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,039
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, wow.

532
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: So she's still very young. But me, little boy loves it.

533
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:32,240
He loves the music. He loves piecing your sound good.

534
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 3: He's got a little guitar and he's a stand in

535
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,400
the living room like piece yourself.

536
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: He loves it. Yeah, And obviously there's not a more

537
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,920
half and I was than seeing that. Yeah.

538
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,799
Speaker 3: But the juggle of family life and the music life

539
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,920
is it's it's my biggest challenge in life definitely. But

540
00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:00,799
way I'm kind of fortunate is because I do sing

541
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:02,240
them for the living, so I gig in.

542
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: The bars around Liverpool City Center.

543
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: So music is my lifestyle, which kind of makes it

544
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,279
that bit easier because if you're waken a regular Monday

545
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,200
to Friday or regular job, to then find time to

546
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,480
do music, I think will be harder because I'm already

547
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:26,720
so I'm going to be out gigging in a few hours,

548
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:31,480
so excellent. So I'm classing this is a way time.

549
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:33,920
So I've come to the studio because we have a

550
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,119
rehearsal room, so I've come here to do if it's

551
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,000
like have an office and that helps me will be balanced.

552
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,319
And then my wife Tasha, she obviously she's very supportive

553
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:53,200
and has to deal with a lot of late lights and.

554
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,839
Speaker 2: Me and the lad are going to practice tonight, so

555
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:55,559
to bed on your own.

556
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but you have a supportive partner and that's

557
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,359
that helps tremendously with any anything.

558
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, God bless you, she puts it with

559
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:06,759
a laugh.

560
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, very good in a moment. Well, we'll let

561
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,279
you go in a moment, Jamie. You've been very generous

562
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,839
with your time. But I also want to play at

563
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:16,559
the end of our conversation, I want to play this

564
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,160
song unconditional. And this actually came out now, this came

565
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
out a couple of years ago, right, Yeah, this is

566
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,880
this is another great song. Jenny and I both love this.

567
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,359
Is there anything you can tell us about this about

568
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:28,799
this song?

569
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: Absolutely I can yet. So this was.

570
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: I think it's probably the most emotional song I'll ever write,

571
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,960
because it just the family were going through such a

572
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,039
difficult time and we had just lost my granddad, which.

573
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: That wasn't like a big deal.

574
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: He was getting on so we can't of it wasn't

575
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,480
I was in no ways everything but me uncle that

576
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,960
kind of stopped speaking to his dad and when he

577
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,079
passed away, to break down because instant regrets or not

578
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,400
like making making up when they had the chance, and

579
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,079
it had just felt a bit of a ripple effect

580
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:11,799
through the family. And then there was a lot of

581
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,680
other emotional things going on in the family at the time,

582
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,039
which I won't go into too much, but I just

583
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,079
can't remember the time thinking, Wow, everyone falls out with

584
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,759
people that they love. But at the end of the day,

585
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:28,279
when the crunch comes to it, once they're gone, and

586
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:31,599
you realize that love was always still late. It never went.

587
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,599
You might stop talking, or you might push away and

588
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,680
whatever else, but whether you like to admit it or not,

589
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,519
you'll always love the people that you've loved your family,

590
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,960
right That the big one for me his family. I

591
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,359
used to always joke saying about there's someone a new

592
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,799
who was like the coaches persions and then was the dog.

593
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:56,599
But if they absolutely loved the dog, and it was

594
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,920
like that unconditional lovely no matter what happens, if you

595
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,000
kind of realize that love is unconditional, and once you

596
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:06,640
kind of experience it, it's like an ex partner. You

597
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,119
could break up with your ex partner, but there'll always

598
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,839
be a part of you that I'll have love for

599
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,079
that ex panner for the time that you spend together

600
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:14,279
on what you went through, of.

601
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: Course if it was real love.

602
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:21,759
Speaker 3: Obviously, And yeah, it just comes from so many different

603
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:26,759
emotions into one song. And again it was another one

604
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,160
of them where I had had the code progression for

605
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,240
years years. I had wrote like two or three different

606
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,599
songs to it and never liked any of them. And

607
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,799
then this one just kind of come out of nowhere

608
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,720
in like a sort of heartfled like way. And then yeah,

609
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:43,720
it was kind of people around me who wanted me

610
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:45,200
to release that more than meself.

611
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

612
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: So I think it's one of them where my family

613
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,200
all love it and it'll always be something to them.

614
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's it's a beautiful song.

615
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,079
Speaker 2: Beautiful thank you. I appreciate that absolutely.

616
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: And before we do that, Jamie, before we let you go,

617
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,480
where should people go online? Where's the best place for

618
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:05,920
people to go online? To keep up with everything that

619
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,079
Jamie Higgs is doing.

620
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: Instagram's meets sources of main use for social media, That's

621
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:12,839
what I kind of use.

622
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,799
Speaker 2: I try and go on that daily. I'm trying to build.

623
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: Me TikTok because everyone says TikTok's the way to go

624
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:20,880
now that's right.

625
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,039
Speaker 2: I'm trying to use that more.

626
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,559
Speaker 3: I think TikTok's a little bit more cringey, and that's

627
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:27,119
what It just takes a bit of get used to that.

628
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:29,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

629
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know here in America too, there's

630
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,480
always politicians threatening to take it away from us. They

631
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,160
haven't done it yet.

632
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's a weird one of TikTok

633
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,000
it because the whole China gets this whole China connection

634
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:44,880
and everyone.

635
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: Else to the sort of yeah, yeah, yeah, the opinions

636
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,319
on that. But we won't open that.

637
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,599
Speaker 1: Though, No, no, that's a big door to open. But

638
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,559
but yeah, so so Instagram is the main the main.

639
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: Place I would say, so yeah, so yeah.

640
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, very good Jamie. Listen. It's been wonderful

641
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,519
speaking with you, and we'll definitely do this again in

642
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,839
the future as you're releasing new music. Well, we'll have

643
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,319
you back. Certainly. Love what you're doing. And uh and

644
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,920
you said you've got a show tonight, right.

645
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got three tonight and then I'm doing a

646
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:21,559
special guest appearance as well as studio oh tonight.

647
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a busy night ahead of you. That's great.

648
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely off mart Yeah, yeah, good. But I'd also like

649
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,680
to say things I've really enjoyed. This has probably been

650
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,359
the best one I've done, so oh absolutely absolutely.

651
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: Credit means I've enjoyed this.

652
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Jamie. I appreciate that. I appreciate that

653
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,519
very very much. We love to hear that. All right, Well,

654
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,440
we will let you go, my friend. I'm gonna hit

655
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,799
that track Unconditional, and then I'm probably gonna sneak in

656
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:43,720
piece in your sound one more time too for people

657
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,079
who are just joining us. Sometimes I cheat it. Sometimes

658
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:48,720
I cheat a little bit. If I really love a song,

659
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:50,599
I'll sneak it in a second time in the hour,

660
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,359
because why not. But thank you, thank you again Jamie

661
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,680
so much, and we will talk to you soon. I'm sure.

662
00:31:57,599 --> 00:31:59,799
Speaker 2: Absolute pleasure. Thanks Steven, Jenny appreciate it.

663
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: You got it all right, Take care bye bye.

664
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,599
Speaker 2: Much love may take care. Thank you, you got it

665
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:05,039
all right, wonderful.

666
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: That was the great Jamie Higgs really enjoyed our conversation.

667
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,480
And let's play this song again. This is called Unconditional.

668
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,359
This is such a beautiful song. Jenny and I both

669
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,160
love this. And then we're also going to play a

670
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,480
piece in your sound again too. Another just such a

671
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400
great track. So and look forward to watching his career

672
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,400
as it continues to evolve. But he's doing great stuff.

673
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:24,799
Speaker 2: But here it is.

674
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: This is Unconditional by Jamie Higgs