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Good to be with you, man. 24 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,760 How are you doing well? 25 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Well? Like I said in Take one, I know you 26 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:07,120 have a hard out, So we're going to jump right 27 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:12,240 into it and we can do the reacquaintances later on sometime. 28 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:17,000 It looks like these things finally has a chance of 29 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:19,520 coming to an end. But it didn't start on in 30 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:22,039 February of twenty twenty two, and you write a book 31 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:28,000 called Provoked, and it explains how all of this happened. 32 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:30,439 What's the fastest you've ever given the timeline? 33 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,199 Speaker 2: Well, let's try it right now. We start in the 34 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:37,319 book with hw Bush and the end of the last 35 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,919 Cold War and the bottom line to understand about hw Bushes, Yes, 36 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,120 they did promise not to expand NATO East. People say 37 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:49,560 that's debunked. Well, I've rebunked it thoroughly in the book 38 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:52,520 and demonstrate the truth of that. And it's important to 39 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:55,759 understand as well that what they did was and part 40 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:57,400 of the way they sort of psyched them out, the 41 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:00,639 Soviets and then the Russians into the Clinton year as well, 42 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,120 was by saying, listen, even if we do expand NATO, 43 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:08,759 NATO now isn't what it used to be. We're turning 44 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,280 NATO into a new political organization, so you should understand 45 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:14,919 it to be something like the EU plus the United States. 46 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,639 But we're going to replace the alliance. We don't need 47 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,840 an alliance because we don't have any enemies. We're going 48 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,080 to now have a partnership. And under hw Bush they 49 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,039 said it'd be under the PF sorm ME, the CSCEE, 50 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,039 the Conference for Security Cooperation in Europe which is now 51 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,800 the Organization OSCEE, but which had existed since seventy five, 52 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:39,759 and Russia and Ukraine and all the Eastern European countries 53 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,280 were already members of it. And so the Americans were saying, essentially, 54 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,400 everybody's neutrality is baked in here. We're all going to 55 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:48,639 be partners in one big thing together. And it was 56 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,280 based on those assurances that the Soviets allowed Eastern Europe 57 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,120 to go free and then essentially weaken the Soviet Union 58 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:56,840 to the point. You know, it was when the commedies 59 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,520 failed in their coup of August ninety one that was 60 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,919 the final straw, and then the leaders of the Russian 61 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:04,639 Federation at that point overthrew the last of the Soviet 62 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:07,479 Union and got rid of it. That was all based 63 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:14,599 on the absolute assurances, handshake, dead serious assurances, and on 64 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,240 top of that the spirit of the entire thing, which 65 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,560 was our guys promising their guys, we are not going 66 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,279 to take advantage. If you guys do the right thing, 67 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,399 then we promised to be cool with you going forward. 68 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:29,319 And they never meant that, Pete. That's the point is 69 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,600 they were shining them on, telling them what they needed 70 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:35,519 to hear for the time being. Then Clinton comes in. 71 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,959 There's of course the shock therapy, which we could talk 72 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,879 about more if you want to ask about it later something. 73 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:43,519 But that's how the Americans helped the Russians transition from 74 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,879 communism to capitalism, and they completely botched it and destroyed 75 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:51,079 the economy and completely gangsterized it. And then there's the 76 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,920 Balkan Wars of the nineteen nineties, which were at the 77 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:57,720 expense of the Serbs, who were the Russians friends, but 78 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,120 it was also to the benefit of NATO, and it 79 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,800 was one of the main purposes of it, not the 80 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,639 breakup of Yugoslavia, but the American reaction to it and 81 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:09,800 putting NATO in the forefront. They wanted to preclude the 82 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:12,560 idea that the French and the Germans would create their 83 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,079 own European army and would be the dominant security force 84 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,360 in Europe. They wanted to make sure to preclude that 85 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,480 by essentially taking the opportunity to ensconce American power there 86 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,920 to perpetuate what had been Lord, I think it's Ismay, 87 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,360 the British Lord had said, the purpose of NATO is 88 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:34,160 to keep the Americans in, the Germans down, and the 89 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:37,519 Soviets out. So now replace the Soviets with the Russians. 90 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:41,240 But same thing. So, and this was even what the 91 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,160 Americans had told the Soviets was, Hey, man, obviously we're 92 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,240 going to reunify Germany here, that's basically unstoppable, and you're 93 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,839 not going to stop that. But now once we've already 94 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:54,040 agreed on that, now come on, you don't want that 95 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,439 independent Germany potentially armed with nuclear weapons, do you? Wouldn't 96 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:01,480 you prefer that NATO stay in Germany and that Germany 97 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:05,759 stay essentially subordinate to the United States in our military organization. 98 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:08,360 And the Soviets thought about it and thought, well, for 99 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,959 all our problems we've had with the Americans, we've had 100 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:14,079 worse problems with the Germans. So let's go ahead and 101 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,800 stick with that. So that was essentially the posture of 102 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,480 the Americans at the end of the twentieth century was 103 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,720 making sure that America stays there and then even expands, 104 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,560 and Clinton started with expansion in nineteen ninety nine. Then W. 105 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:30,839 Bush comes in and Putin was new. He came in 106 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:33,319 at the end of ninety nine, beginning of two thousand. 107 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:35,319 Bush comes in at the beginning of two thousand and one, 108 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,639 a year later, so they have an opportunity to try 109 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,519 to reset, and Putin tries very hard to. He has 110 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,160 to join NATO in the summer, and then he extends 111 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:47,639 full olive branches after September eleventh that we can use 112 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,879 former Soviet bases in the stands to help invade Afghanistan 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,839 the Northern Route. He opened it again for Obama in 114 00:06:53,879 --> 00:07:00,160 twenty twelve and overflight rights and all the rest. And 115 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,399 he had to shout down right wing forces in his 116 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:05,920 own government and military at the time. So we're going 117 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,639 to take this opportunity and try to suck up to 118 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:10,120 the Americans and make a real partnership here. And W. 119 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,279 Bush just shined them on because basically the deal was 120 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:14,959 we don't need them they're at third rate country. The 121 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,959 Soviet Union was worth considering, but Russia is not. And 122 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,560 so you know, Bush and his government was still using 123 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:25,319 the Binladnites against the Russians in Chechnya even in the 124 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,879 at least in Bush's first term, a policy he had 125 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:35,319 inherited from Bill Clinton. And so Bush tore up the 126 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,839 Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty, which was, first of all, it 127 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:43,720 was an important treaty that limited the anti ballistic missile 128 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:48,160 system locations to two locations. It was a Nixon's treaty, 129 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,279 and the purpose wasn't to leave America helpless. The purpose 130 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:54,639 was that defensive missile systems are just part of more 131 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,839 brinksmanship and the arms race, and so the more defensive 132 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:01,199 missile systems you build, the more offensive missile systems they build, 133 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:03,040 and on and on. At that point, we were in 134 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:06,720 the high tens of thousands. America had like forty or sorry, 135 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:08,759 America had like thirty, and the Russians had like forty 136 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:12,000 thousand h bombs each at that point. So it's like, 137 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,959 why are we continuing to do this. Let's put a 138 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,120 ceiling on this, and that was why they limited them. 139 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,800 So Bush tears up that treaty that also kills START two, 140 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,959 which would have banned multiple independently targetable re entry vehicles. 141 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,759 So it may have been the worst decision anybody ever made, 142 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:27,680 quite frankly, to destroy that START to treaty the way w. 143 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:30,199 Bush did. But then he did that so he could 144 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:35,679 install these anti missile systems in Eastern Europe. And to 145 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,559 make a long story short, the thread of them is 146 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,000 they're dual use launchers. It's the AEGIS on shore system, 147 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:47,879 So ages on our on our navy cruisers can fire 148 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:51,279 Tomahawk missiles, right, so they could fire Sparrow defensive missiles, 149 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:54,360 anti ballistic missile missiles, or they could fire Tomahawk cruise 150 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,519 missile that can be tipped with an H bomb. And 151 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,559 now that we've torn up Donald Trump tore up the 152 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,440 inf treaty that actually would be legal. They were already 153 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,120 clearly in violation of Bill Clinton's promises in nineteen ninety 154 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,480 seven that we wouldn't put substantial military forces in the 155 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:12,039 new expanded NATO countries. And then secondly he's viling the 156 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,120 spirit of the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty, Reagan's Great Treaty 157 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,279 from eighty seven that banned short and medium range nuclear 158 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:21,320 missiles from Europe, and so that was a major step. 159 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Another policy Bush inherited from Clinton and continued was the 160 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,960 so called color coded revolutions, and he started in the 161 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Balkans and then you know, most notably with Serbia in 162 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,879 the year two thousand with the Bulldozer Revolution, and then W. 163 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,519 Bush picked that up with the Rose Revolution in Georgia 164 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,399 in two thousand and three, the Orange Revolution in Ukraine 165 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,519 in two thousand and four, the Tulip Revolution in Kyrgyzstan 166 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,200 in two thousand and five, the failed Denim Revolution in 167 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,200 two thousand and five in Belarus, and then the Cedar 168 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,639 Revolution in Lebanon, which didn't quite overthrow the government, but 169 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,759 it helped to pressure the Syrians to leave southern Lebanon 170 00:09:56,799 --> 00:09:59,879 at the time. People might remember in the Obama years. 171 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,600 A little bit later on they had the Green Revolution 172 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:07,039 in Iran, and the Arab Spring is more complicated, but 173 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,440 it was somewhat the same type politics behind some of 174 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,039 the Arab Spring movements in the Middle East in twenty eleven. 175 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:19,679 But so these are essentially what they call smart power 176 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,919 or soft power. Right while W. Bush's marching the entire 177 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,879 third Infantry Division into Iraq. He's also got his nngos 178 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:32,200 and his you know these sort of like Usaight and Ned. 179 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,399 They call him NGOs, but they're chartered by the US government. 180 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:39,159 They're not exactly like even a Soros organization is more independent, 181 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:41,960 but they all work together and pour in essentially the model. 182 00:10:42,039 --> 00:10:44,360 It's not always exactly the same, but the model is 183 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:47,720 to dispute an election that your side lost in a 184 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:52,360 sort of soft somewhat democracy, you know, budding democracy, where 185 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:54,240 you wish your guys had won, and then you just 186 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:57,120 claim exit polls proved that your guy really won and 187 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,080 the other guys stole it, and you have all your 188 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,039 guys protests out in the street and push it and 189 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:03,840 push it until they get a new round of voting 190 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,039 or get the guy to step down in some kind 191 00:11:06,039 --> 00:11:09,000 of transition of power. And so they've done this over 192 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,720 and over again. And then of course Iraq was a 193 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,279 big thing. It destabilized the entire Middle East and set 194 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,240 major precedents about America, just like Bill Clinton with the 195 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:22,919 Coast WLD War ninety nine, American willingness to violate the 196 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,519 UN Charter and launch an aggressive war whenever we want, 197 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,360 with or without the UN Security Council, which is you know, 198 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,679 international law. I mean, this goes this is true really 199 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,360 with all law, but especially with international law. It's really 200 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,399 an anarchic system. Treaties are only treaties as long as 201 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,000 you're willing to abide by them. And so when you 202 00:11:40,519 --> 00:11:43,720 shake the foundations of the post World War II structure. 203 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,320 I mean, there are a lot of contradictions in the 204 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,320 UN Charter, but it does say it supposedly is sworn 205 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:53,600 to protect the independence and sovereignty of each of the 206 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,200 nation states. So America is bound to respect the sovereignty 207 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,519 of other nations, in other words, not attack them when 208 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,600 we haven't been attacked, or at least if we are 209 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,960 going to start a war, we got to convene the 210 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,240 Security Council and have permission from all of essentially the 211 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:11,759 allies who won World War Two, including Russia and China, 212 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:14,399 to agree to launch a war. And Bill Clinton and 213 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,000 W Bush and later Obama proved that they're willing to 214 00:12:17,039 --> 00:12:20,279 scrap that and do whatever they want, which is another 215 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,080 major rupture in our relations, even though it wasn't directly 216 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:28,360 at their expense at that time. But then Bush declares 217 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:31,639 in the end of two thousand and eight for his 218 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,879 own personal stupid reasons, legacy building reasons of his own, 219 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,799 against the advice of his ambassador and the entire embassy 220 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:41,600 in Moscow, against the advice we find out later of 221 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:45,399 Connelleza Rice and Robert Gates, the CIA, and the National 222 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,639 Security Council. Fiona Hill. She says that you believe Russian 223 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,480 propaganda if you repeat her exact same story that she 224 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:54,159 told her The New York Times at least twice, that 225 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,200 she tried to talk w Bush out of it, and 226 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,279 he wouldn't listen, and instead he went ahead, and and 227 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,240 by the way, the French and the Germans also tried 228 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,440 to stop him, and he and Steady went ahead, not 229 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,440 with a full membership action plan because the Germans wouldn't 230 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,000 let him, but essentially a promise to NATO that NATO 231 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,279 would bring Georgia and Ukraine into the Alliance at some point. 232 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,039 So instead of a half ass like a membership action 233 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,399 plan is not an Article five protection guarantee, it's sort 234 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:24,440 of a half assed one already. It says like you're 235 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,759 on the official path of integration to the Alliance. Well, 236 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:30,039 what Bush gave him was like a quarter asked one, 237 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,399 then right, it was an invite that at some point 238 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:34,480 we're going to bring you in, but we're not saying when. 239 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:38,200 But we will continue to integrate your military into our 240 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:42,159 standards so that you would be useful in the case 241 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,399 of a war with Russia. Your military would be an 242 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,799 auxiliary with ours, But we don't promise to protect you 243 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,519 if you get into a fight. So is what a 244 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:52,559 lot of academics and experts all over the place, State 245 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,320 department officials and CFR wonks and whoever, said this is 246 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,720 the worst of both worlds to do this, and which 247 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,399 I think I would agree with. Many of them would say, well, yeah, 248 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,720 we should have gone ahead and given them the war guarantee, 249 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,679 and that would have protected him. I say, that would 250 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,559 have just started the war right then, before the ink 251 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,799 was dry on the page, because Putin would have had 252 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,559 to test that right away whether and so I think 253 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,039 it's a circular argument on their part, But I agree 254 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:18,159 that it's the worst of both worlds. But I'm saying 255 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,240 he should have listened to the advice of his own 256 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:23,559 government and not gone ahead with the promise. And now 257 00:14:23,559 --> 00:14:26,519 listen the whole government and the Establishment and the Germans 258 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:28,399 and the French and everybody, why were they against. It's 259 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,200 the same reason going back to the nineties when the 260 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,960 experts warned against NATO expansion. Then it's an unnecessary provocation 261 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,200 against the Russians. There are no other arguments against it, really, 262 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,120 other than you know, if you ask our friends, you know, 263 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,360 Doug Bandau and Ted Carpenter at CATO, who've been saying 264 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:48,320 this all along, Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul, we can't 265 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,039 afford it and we don't have any business with this 266 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,279 kind of alliance. But that's not who They weren't part 267 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,159 of the argument, right. The argument from the establishment was 268 00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:00,960 not about saving money or you know, protect the Republic 269 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,360 from the empire or whatever. They were simply worried about 270 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:05,879 unnecessarily picking a fight with the Russians, full stop. And 271 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:08,639 there was the whole story the whole time. And by 272 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:12,120 the way, during this whole time, Pete even the expanders, 273 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,000 especially the opponents, but even the expanders said, of course, 274 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:19,279 we have to make a special exception for Ukraine, even 275 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,480 if we're going to bring the Baltic States into NATO. 276 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,799 You know, the whole time the Soviet Union occupied the 277 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,960 Baltic States, America never recognized Soviet sovereignty over them always 278 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,360 recognized them as independent, not that they were willing to 279 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:34,240 do anything about it, but they always recognized them as independent. 280 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:36,559 These are not part of Russia. They are independent states 281 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,840 and they should be et cetera. Et cetera. Was always 282 00:15:38,879 --> 00:15:42,120 the American position. But Ukraine, come on, They've been a 283 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:46,480 part of Russia for three hundred years, and the major 284 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,159 population centers of the east of the country had been 285 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,279 part of Russia. It's called the don bassar Nova Russia. 286 00:15:53,639 --> 00:15:55,600 These regions have been part of the Russian Empire for 287 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:57,559 three hundred years, even when the rest of the country 288 00:15:57,639 --> 00:16:00,120 was not. Even when the far west was dominated by 289 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,840 Poland and the middle was dominated by Lithuania and whoever, 290 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,840 the Russians controlled the far east of the country and 291 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,559 that southern Azov coast to Crimea. So everybody recognized that. 292 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:17,120 Kissinger and Brazinski recognized that. In twenty eighteen, at the 293 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,919 height of Russiagate Hysterius, it was just washed away. It 294 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,480 was like, you know, spit in the ocean of hype 295 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:24,720 at that time, so no one was listening. But there's 296 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,159 a guy named Ken Pollack, you might remember. He was 297 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,519 kind of Padna's with Michael O'Hanlon, and they were the 298 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,840 leading Liberal Hawks who vouched for w Bush and said 299 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:36,440 we had to attack Iraq. And they were sort of 300 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:39,679 like you know, Burt and Ernie of the Democratic Hawks 301 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,960 at that time, kind of leading on TV saying, yes, 302 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,000 these Republicans are right, we definitely have to do this, 303 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,960 say these very serious Wonky Democrats, that's who they are. 304 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,879 So Pollock wrote this thing saying, yeah, we ought to 305 00:16:50,919 --> 00:16:52,840 do this whole thing. He wrote a book about his 306 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:57,799 monograph proposing this whole situation where we would give Ukraine 307 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,720 a permanent Austrian status, meaning that's a reference to Austria 308 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:04,200 and Finland during the Cold War, the last Cold War, 309 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,960 that they had permanent neutrality. They were not part of 310 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,359 Warsaw Pack, not part of NATO, did not have troops 311 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,039 occupying their country, and promised not to take sides in 312 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,480 any conflict, and they just stayed out of it. And 313 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:20,319 due to geographical concerns and political ones, both sides agreed 314 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,519 to that, and that lasted for fifty years of the 315 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:25,200 Cold War forty five. It was fine, And there's no 316 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,519 reason in the world to have not done that with Ukraine, 317 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,920 except that American Hawks were determined to just ignore their 318 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,519 own best advice and as they even put it numerous times, 319 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,519 to rest Ukraine away from NATO. And then they always 320 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:43,279 break into this collectivist language where like the will of 321 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:46,400 the soul of the people of Ukraine want this. Well, yeah, no, 322 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,400 that's not true. I mean, there are certainly people, especially 323 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,440 in the west of the country, and the further west 324 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,960 you go, the more this is true, who absolutely hate 325 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:56,359 Russia and want nothing to do with Russia and would 326 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,519 be perfectly happy to join the EU or NATO or 327 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:01,960 anything that they could to get out from under Russian dominance. 328 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,359 That's not true for the whole country, and particularly in 329 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,759 the very far east of the country, where they're not 330 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:10,640 just Russian speakers because the Commedi's kind of made everybody 331 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,279 speak Russian. But in the far east of the country 332 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,079 they are ethnic Russians and historically Russians, and have you know, 333 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:19,400 mixed marriages on both sides of the borders and all 334 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,160 these kinds of things are much closer to the Russians, 335 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,319 and so even the likes is a big Nimbrazinski said that, look, 336 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,240 the will among the people of Ukraine to join NATO, 337 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:31,799 to move this far west, that hard west is not there, 338 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,160 and in the wiki leagues cables, the State Department people say, yeah, lamentably, 339 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,920 the people of Ukraine don't want this, so we've better 340 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 launch this massive propaganda campaign to try to convince them, 341 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,839 not that that ever really worked, but whenever some people 342 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,960 show up in the street and want to move west, 343 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:51,799 they claim, aha, see that's the people of Ukraine want this. 344 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:54,240 But you know, I've seen some really big left wing 345 00:18:54,319 --> 00:18:56,480 protests in Austin, Texas, Pete, and I got to tell 346 00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:59,920 you they don't represent even the people of Austin, Texas, 347 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,319 much less the people of Texas. Right, It's just a 348 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,680 total fallacy to say a big protest equals the public. 349 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:11,119 Will I mean, give me a break. If they didn't, 350 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:14,480 if they didn't believe that, if they didn't want to 351 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:17,440 believe that, that wasn't their narrative, they would never push that. Okay, 352 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,640 So what there's a big protest, how can you be 353 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,440 you know, how could you take that if you didn't 354 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,079 want to, if the American side was was, if there 355 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,079 was the protesters on the other side, they just dismiss him. Right, 356 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,279 They're just protesters. They don't represent what everybody wants. So anyway, 357 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:40,079 then so Obama comes in, and Obama does the Libya war. 358 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,720 Putin had stepped down and made himself Prime Minister, and 359 00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:45,640 he was of course still the power behind the throne, 360 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,079 and Medvedev, who replaced him, was his guy. But then 361 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,319 he was opening up. I mean, he's not exactly a 362 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:55,359 bizarre and a king, right he did sort of respect 363 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,240 the law at that time and let his sidekick sit 364 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,119 in the position. Then America immediately humiliated the guy, took 365 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,759 advantage of him, tricked him into supporting the UN resolution 366 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,960 on Libya, which said we're trying to protect the poor 367 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,519 civilians of Benghazi from being all exterminated by Kadapi. And 368 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:12,759 then they just went turned right around once they got 369 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:14,920 that permission slit. They turned right around, turned it into 370 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,200 a nine month long NATO al Qaedo regime change war 371 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:21,920 against Kadafi, and then spread the chaos on to Syria 372 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,079 and all that, and made an absolute chump out of you, 373 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,119 admit it. And then, of course the worst thing Obama 374 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,200 did was support the so called Revolution of dignity, the 375 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:36,640 Maidan Revolution of twenty fourteen, which was essentially the Americans 376 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,160 and the Europeans pushing the sitting president to essentially fire 377 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,039 his entire government and hire their handpick guys to serve 378 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:46,200 in his government. They supported the protest movement long enough 379 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,920 that by the end of the thing, the Nazis went 380 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,079 ahead and said, we don't respect any deal that doesn't 381 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,000 include the president leaving town. Maybe he doesn't leave town. 382 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:57,559 By ten am in the morning, the one guy, Parisiuk 383 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:00,599 announced from the stage, I'll kill him myself. He had been, 384 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,960 as we know, it's reported from at least three or 385 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,839 four major sources who interviewed him that he was the 386 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,480 guy who led the snipers in the Music Conservatory starting 387 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:12,400 on the morning before. That heightened the crisis and led 388 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,200 to the push. And so at that point the president 389 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,960 fled and immediately America recognized the new government, and at 390 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,720 that point Putin seized the Crimean peninsula. And then we 391 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,319 know that John Brennan Obama sent John Brennan, the head 392 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,799 of the CIA, to insist that the new regime attacked 393 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:31,559 the people of the East. When they know people always 394 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:33,759 say that this was the Russians who did this. There 395 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:36,079 were a couple of Russian characters involved, but as I 396 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,119 demonstrated the book, they showed up late. It was essentially 397 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,440 the people of the East mimicking the people of the West. 398 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:43,839 If you guys can seize all these government buildings and 399 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,559 overthrow the government and create a new regime, well we 400 00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:49,480 can seize government buildings and refuse to recognize your authority. 401 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:53,200 And then the Americans assisted attack them, and they did 402 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:56,359 airstrikes and tanks and artillery, and then a huge part 403 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,759 of the military defected to the other side, and it 404 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,880 turned into this horrific sit of a war that killed 405 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,519 like nine thousand people in the first ten months. And 406 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:06,440 then they had these peace deals that led to reduced 407 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,000 level you know they call lower level fighting. We're still 408 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,799 another four thousand something people were killed over the next 409 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,640 seven years. And so then, as you know, when Trump 410 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,000 comes in and I'm skipping a lot, there's the skip 411 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,519 rolls and all these so called poisonings and all these 412 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,880 other things. But they're all in there. Believe me, every 413 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,599 time they try to overthrow Belarus, it's all in there. 414 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,319 But when Trump comes in, as you know, this was 415 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,400 paraphrase in New York Times one of his guys, I 416 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,680 believe it was one of Trump's guys. His own guy 417 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:38,200 said that, you know, when it comes to Russia policy, 418 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Trump is like the captain of a ship. He's holding 419 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,240 the wheel, but it's not attached to anything. And so 420 00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:46,960 the fourth branch of government, the National Security State, the 421 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,400 Pentagon and all the spy agencies and whatever they do, 422 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:51,720 whatever they want, they had their own policy. If you 423 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,799 look at his impeachment on Ukraine Gate in a testimony 424 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:57,119 of Alexander Vinman and then later in his essay that 425 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,279 he wrote for the Atlantic, might have been the New Republic, 426 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:02,279 but I think it was the Alantic where he just says, like, 427 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,920 who the hell does this guy, Donald Trump, the elected president, 428 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,160 think he is to try to change our Russia policy. 429 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,440 We have a Russia policy the United States of America 430 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:17,880 as represented by Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vinman, the Ukrainian national 431 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,160 sitting on the NSC, and somehow an officer in our military. 432 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,599 He says, look, we have decided the interagency met which 433 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,400 means like the Deputies Committee of the National Security Council, 434 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:32,880 where the different bureaucrats get together and decided this is 435 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,759 our policy. And so who in the hell does Donald 436 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:37,480 Trump think he is to try to change it? We 437 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,640 could not allow that to happen, and so we all 438 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,559 marshalled together and work together to stop him. And that 439 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,640 was the origin of Ukraine Gate right there, as sort 440 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,279 of the son of Russia Gate. And it was John 441 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:52,039 Brennan who put him on the National Security Council in 442 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:54,200 the first place. He was obviously there as a plan 443 00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:56,559 to try to find something on Trump to stop him 444 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,039 in the first place. By the way, the FBI already 445 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:03,279 had the laptop that showed in these emails that what 446 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,960 Trump was saying about Hunter Biden's corruption with Barisma, the 447 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,039 Ukrainian gas company, was true. And you think about ten 448 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:14,240 thousand leaks from the FBI during that time, not one 449 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:18,880 leak saying that what Trump was asking in that phone call, 450 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:23,039 asking Zelensky to look into was true. And Hunter Biden 451 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,839 was guilty as hell. And here's the CEO of Barisma saying, 452 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,559 where is my help? You were supposed to intervene on 453 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:32,960 my behalf and get this done. And there's Hunter Biden saying, 454 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,960 thanks for the money. I'm doing trying as hard as 455 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,279 I can, et cetera. And so all that was there, 456 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,559 all that was buried. We didn't find that out for 457 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,720 months that the FBI had already had the laptop. And 458 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:44,240 then when the laptop came out, would they do. They 459 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:46,839 lied and said that the Russians had planted it there 460 00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:50,039 and the whole thing was fake, which was really them 461 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,160 putting the again, the secret police, just like with Russigate 462 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,039 the first election, putting their thumb on the scale and 463 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,880 rigging the election against Trump in twenty twenty. But so 464 00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:04,519 and he was hawkish. I mean, whatever he did on Ukraine, 465 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,359 he gave him more weapons, and I think he was 466 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,559 in on that decision. They didn't just do that without him, 467 00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:11,359 but they convinced him that, yeah, this is how we 468 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,359 play hardball with the Russians. And it was a big 469 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,119 mistake for him to do that. But it's clear that 470 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,119 the kind of approach monk that we see between him 471 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,359 and Russian now, we could have had eight years ago 472 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,599 if they had not falsely accused him of treason with 473 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,799 Russia in the first place, and he had just had 474 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:28,200 the basic respect a president gets from the rest of 475 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,680 the establishment in the media when he takes office. I mean, 476 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,200 remember when the Supreme Court said, stop the count w 477 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,240 Bush is the president elect. Now every TV Newslady you 478 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,920 could hear their heels click President elect w Bush said 479 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,200 today blah blah blah, Okay, that's it right. Well, they 480 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,920 did not do that for him. If they had given 481 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,960 him the slightest bit of difference like that, this whole 482 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,279 thing would have been solved then. So they prevented him 483 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:53,839 from doing that, but he felt that pressure and didn't 484 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:59,039 fix it if he could have. Then Biden comes in, 485 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,440 and I'm convinced that the real tipping point for Vladimir 486 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,400 Putin in Biden's first year came in March, when President 487 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,119 Zelensky seized the media properties of a guy named Victor Medvidchuk, 488 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,720 who was a good friend of Putin, and Putin is 489 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,759 his daughter's godfather, and so when he did that, I 490 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,160 think that was the final straw, and Putin started building 491 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,079 up his forces on the borders and so forth, making 492 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,440 his threats. Biden meets with him in July, and I 493 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,400 don't know exactly what happened. I think he gave him 494 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,680 kind of base assurances, like we're not going to bring 495 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:38,079 Ukraine into NATO anyway, don't worry about it. But I 496 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,000 don't know exactly what they talked about. We didn't get 497 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:43,920 too much reporting about whether Putin had demanded a treaty 498 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:49,039 in writing at that point or what. But then he 499 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,559 boxes the afghan withdrawal, which a lot of experts I 500 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:54,920 have no reason really to doubt this, but I've read 501 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,359 numerous places and including you can't really trust Bob Woodward. 502 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,640 But Bob Woodward claims that that Biden administration officials, Biden 503 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,839 himself and Abril Haines, the National Intelligence Director, and others 504 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:08,160 said that, yeah, this was part of what made the 505 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,400 Russians decide that it would be easy to do. This 506 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,079 was be watching the absolute disarray with which Biden ran 507 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:20,279 the withdrawal from Afghanistan. But then in September and in November, 508 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,880 the State Department and the Defense Department put out new 509 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,680 documents reaffirming that yes, we're bringing Ukraine into NATO, and 510 00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:32,319 yes we are increasing their interoperability between their military and ours, 511 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,039 making them essentially a de facto member of our military alliance. 512 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,640 And that was when they really started their build up. 513 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240 Was in October and after the introduction of new Turkish 514 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:45,119 drones and violation of Minsk too, the peace deal that 515 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,279 was never fully implemented, and at that point Putin said 516 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,559 essentially started building up his forces and then proposed new treaties, 517 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,079 and they were not the kind of trees where you 518 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,799 just signed on the bottom line and agree to every 519 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,119 single demand. How are they were essentially reasonable and I 520 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,079 would not find too much to object to in there. 521 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,400 Bill Clinton promised not to move substantial military forces into 522 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,000 the new European NATO countries. So what they acted like 523 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,400 nineteen ninety seven was eighteen ninety seven. But these promises 524 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,039 should have still been absolutely fresh, and they were in 525 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,799 writing in the Founding Act of ninety seven, even if 526 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:23,200 it wasn't a Senate ratified treaty, and so they could 527 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,599 have negotiated. But the Biden position was one you better 528 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,160 not and if you do, we'll arm them up against you. 529 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,279 And including everybody, thought that Ukraine would lose quickly and 530 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:36,400 it would become an insurgency and we'd be backing an 531 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,920 insurgency on the Afghan model. But then that was it. 532 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,119 They weren't willing to negotiate in good faith. They were 533 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,559 willing to threaten and say you better not, and if 534 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,720 you do, we'll help them fight you, and to try 535 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,519 to give them that disincentive. And I do think they 536 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,640 were trying to stop them from doing it. But they're 537 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:59,240 just barely second choice, was he he he, We're gonna 538 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,039 bog them down, bleed him to bankruptcy like Rambo three 539 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,640 did to the Soviet Union back in the nineteen eighties. 540 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:08,319 And they brought up the Afghan War, the original Afghan War, 541 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,400 over and over and over again in the lead up 542 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,279 to the war. And this is pe only three months 543 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:19,400 after America's absolutely crushing, humiliating defeat and withdrawal at the 544 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,359 hands of the Taliban, after twenty years of failing to 545 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,160 supposedly clean up the problems created by the last intervention 546 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:28,799 in that country, and here they are saying, yeah, let's 547 00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:31,680 do that again. That was beautiful, that was perfect, Let's 548 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,400 do that. And then they also invoked Syria, where as 549 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,000 we all know in very recent memory here American support 550 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,279 for the Mujadeen in Syria led to the rise of 551 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:46,319 the Isis Caliphate and then Iraq War III to blow 552 00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,240 it up again. I mean, are they crazy, Yeah, I 553 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,160 mean they don't listen to themselves talk, I guess. And 554 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,720 so then that was it, And I do blame Russia. 555 00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:58,839 The book is called and I should be clear about this. 556 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,599 This isn't like a disclaimer, I say to the end 557 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,880 of I just want people to understand, right, the book 558 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,200 is called provoked. Remember our government and media said ten 559 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:12,319 thousand times unprovoked attack, unprovoked attack. I like to joke 560 00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,279 it's sort of like they did Randy Weaver, White separatist, 561 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,839 Randy Weaver. You're not allowed to ever just call the 562 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,799 guy Randy or mister Weaver or something. The guy's name 563 00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:24,599 is white separatist, Randy Weaver. You know, they had these 564 00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:27,599 from time to time, like Saddam Hussein spider hole. He 565 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,920 was hiding in a spider hole. Like maybe that's an 566 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,039 army term for a certain kind of hole. I don't know, 567 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,000 but I'm not in the army, and neither are that 568 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,880 three hundred and fifty something million Americans who were all 569 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,920 commanded that we had to refer to Saddam Hussein's hiding 570 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,799 place as a spider hole. And then people go along 571 00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,559 with that, Oh, the spider hole, spider hole, spider hole. 572 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,960 And that's kind of how they do this unprovoked attack, 573 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:53,599 unprovoked attack. He can't even refer to Rush's invasion without 574 00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:58,359 like doing your little virtue clue signal thing to people 575 00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,559 that I call it the same thing, we all call 576 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,079 it unprovoked. That way, you know that I'm on your 577 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:05,599 same team as I talk about these things whatever, and 578 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,640 I say, well, that's not true. And Yakkiev provoked it, 579 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,119 but especially Washington d C. Provoked it with all their 580 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,559 intervention in this poor, weak country in a geographically difficult spot. Right, 581 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:24,079 we can only pull them west figuratively, not literally. They're 582 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,640 still stuck there next to Russia and forced to deal 583 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:30,720 with Russia. And so we put them in this absolutely 584 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,319 terrible position. And then, as you could see from the 585 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:38,200 beginning of the wars, they said numerous times that we 586 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,359 want to lengthen the war. We want it to last 587 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,480 as long as it can to weaken Russia. Our gamble 588 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:49,759 is every rule they spend is destruction of the Russian country, government, society. 589 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,720 And that's what we want to see, is they said, 590 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:59,000 over and over, Gleefley, Russians in bodybags, Russian coffins, dead Russians, 591 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,240 over and over and over. And it's true that well, 592 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,759 first of all, that the Americans failed in their economic 593 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,160 war to just destroy them through sanctions and all this. 594 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,480 They are a very resource rich country and they have 595 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,960 a lot of Asian countries that they can open up 596 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,599 trade relations with, and they have. But it's also true 597 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,440 as we know that the Russians are measuring their GDP 598 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,000 by aggregate demand, meaning the government confiscating wealth from people 599 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:27,559 and turning it into weapons of war. That's not real 600 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,799 goods and services. That's military Keynesianism, and it's bad for 601 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,200 Russia just the same as it's bad for the United States. 602 00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,720 But of course over the long term. In the short term, 603 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,240 everybody gets a big boost and you know, they get 604 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,599 to carry on the war. So Biden's economic war against 605 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,200 them did not work the way he wanted it to. 606 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:46,839 But ultimately it's true that, yes, the Russians are that 607 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,559 hundreds of thousands of casualties here and have spent at 608 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,960 least high tens of billions of dollars. I'm not sure 609 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,079 exactly how many billions they spent, probably you know, the 610 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,119 hundreds of billions of dollars now, so that'll ultimately be 611 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,640 at the detriment of the Russian people and the Americans. 612 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,799 Just thought, I mean, and you know what, Pete, I 613 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,519 you know, always people get mad at me, like I'm 614 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,119 making an excuse. But it's sort of like I used 615 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,319 to say, w Bush is so stupid. It doesn't mean 616 00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:14,000 he's not nefarious, right, Like you could be an idiot 617 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,160 with a premeditated murder plot, you know what I mean. 618 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:19,279 This is the same kind of thing here where you know, 619 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:24,960 Biden mostly doesn't mean well and is obviously an absolute 620 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,880 conceited jerk in the very worst kind of no nothing, 621 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,039 know it all sort of a way. He always has been. 622 00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,319 But you know, especially in his old old age, in 623 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,079 his dotage, he ended up really just having to fall 624 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,319 back right on these historical analogies. Putin's Hitler and I'm Churchill, 625 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,759 and when somebody's a bully, you gotta punch him in 626 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,720 the nose. And everybody knows that. And he must have 627 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,480 repeated himself saying that over and over again ten times, right, 628 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,640 and then all of his people repeat that too. And 629 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,480 by the way, they're all a bunch of dorks, right, 630 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,839 They're never the guy who punched the bully in the nose. 631 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,960 They're always the guy that the cool guy came and 632 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,319 protected them from the bully. And that's their life experience, 633 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,079 these think tank dweeds. You know, most of the time 634 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:11,039 they all say the same thing Hitler versus Churchill and 635 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,199 bully versus me on the playground, you know, and then 636 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,360 based on those they say, well, and that's why this 637 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,679 is what we have to do. And they're never willing 638 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,320 to recognize that America's the bully, and Putin is I'm 639 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,280 not saying he's the cool guy, but he's the one 640 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,800 punching us in the nose. And you know what, whatever, 641 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,960 maybe it's both sides. You know, the Americans always invoke 642 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,960 Munich and so you can never appease the enemy, no 643 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,280 matter who they are, no matter how much more powerful 644 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,639 you are, even Saddam Hussein, you can never appease him. 645 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,159 You can never appease anyone, because that's just like what 646 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,639 Neville Chamberlain tried to do with Hitler, and it only 647 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,760 emboldened him, and he went on to Poland after Czechoslovakia. 648 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,079 Interest well, Putin says the same thing about us Pete. 649 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:55,280 Putin invokes the ribbon trough Molotov packed or Molotov Ribbon 650 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,199 trop packed, where the Hitler Stalin pact and says, Stalin 651 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,039 tried to appease the aggressor and it didn't work, and 652 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,000 eventually we ended up having to fight him anyway, and 653 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,199 at the expense of tens of millions of our guys. 654 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,360 And he says, we have no right to make that 655 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,719 same mistake again. You don't appease the dictator. This has 656 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,760 gone too far, and now we're going to finally stand 657 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,519 up for ourselves. So I'm not saying that he's right 658 00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:19,000 to do that, but I'm saying that's clearly what he believes, 659 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,079 and that's clearly the position that the Americans put him in. 660 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,440 As I like to say, the analogy to me is 661 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,320 something again to America. Put his back up to the wall, 662 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,480 and he decided not to let it get all the 663 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,519 way in a corner and went ahead and threw a 664 00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,519 sucker punch. And I don't recommend it, and I think 665 00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,800 it was at best. It'll be a pyrrhic victory for 666 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,440 Russia for numerous reasons in fighting this thing. But it's 667 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,800 at the very least, it's like sixty forty America's fault, Washington, 668 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,360 DC's fault for creating the circumstances here. 669 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:54,639 Speaker 1: I got you for another ten minutes. I'll give you 670 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:56,760 a heads up when there's two. When you're two minutes, 671 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,199 do me a favor, Give me your quickest ten minutes 672 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:06,000 on Russia in the nineties and the failed the the 673 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,239 rise of the oligarchs, and the insanity that happened there. 674 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 2: Sure, well, so it's interesting and I really should read 675 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,079 more of this guy and talk to him. I wish 676 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,079 i'd known about him before. His name is Peter Betke, 677 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,239 and he's an Austrian school economist and he wrote back 678 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,480 then in real time all about what was happening and 679 00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,639 why and essentially just sum it up. Instead of sending 680 00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:30,000 Austrian school economists over there, or even Chicago School economists, 681 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:34,480 they sent Harvard boys. Right, so it was like the neoliberals, 682 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,679 and a lot of what they did was, you know, 683 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,119 like what Bill Clinton would call free markets and democracy, Well, 684 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:48,280 it ain't quite hyach right, and so a real libertarian 685 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:54,599 regime for Russia would have been hard money and strict 686 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,599 new laws enforcing contracts and property rights. What you need 687 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,880 is regime certainty. The courts will protect your contract, they 688 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,559 will protect your property rights. Now we can have a 689 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,639 free market economy based on that. Well, they just didn't 690 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,840 have that. They never got around They thought dealing with 691 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,239 the parliament to pass these new laws and whatever, that's 692 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,119 too much of a hassle. There's too many comedies and 693 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,639 right wingers and goofballs and whoever. In the Parliament. We 694 00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:20,719 don't want to deal with them. They don't speak English. 695 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,400 But we got our few friends in Yeltsin's office who 696 00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,320 speak English and suck up to us and do what 697 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,199 we want. We'll just hook them up. They'll know what 698 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,920 to do. And essentially it was just cronyism from the 699 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,599 top down. And I'm the first to say, Pete Fine 700 00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,960 that like every Russian involved in this corruption, of course 701 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,000 is a full grown ass man who made his own 702 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:42,840 decisions and is fully responsible for his decisions. But there's 703 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,800 no reason to whitewash America's role in this because they 704 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,800 bragged about it and lamented it at the time. He said, yeah, 705 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,679 this is what we're doing. We're doing this voucher system, 706 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,480 We're doing these auctions, we're doing this loans for shares program. 707 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,559 USAID is paying the money to the ex experts to 708 00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,079 give the advice to write the edicts that the Yeltsin 709 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,119 regime is signing and passing. This is what happened. And 710 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:11,679 then they said, boy, we really screwed that up. This 711 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,000 may have been the biggest thievery in the history of humanity. 712 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:18,679 That was what Ewayne Mary said from the US embassy said, 713 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,400 what have we done speaking for the Clinton government and 714 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,719 what they did in effect, And again the Russians involved 715 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,599 were involved, but the Americans were involved too, and what 716 00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,840 they succeeded in doing was turning first of all, just 717 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,440 destroying hundreds of billions of dollars worth of wealth. And 718 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,800 there's a major transition from full communism to free markets here. 719 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,559 It was gonna hurt like hell no matter what. Inefficient 720 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,760 businesses were going to be liquidated, but here perfectly good 721 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,119 businesses that should have been fine, major Nickel concerns and whatever. 722 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,920 All of these crazy important things were shut down. Workers 723 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,079 laid off, you know, in massive numbers by the millions 724 00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,719 and millions, and then hyperinflation on top of it all. 725 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,440 And you can't blame the Harvard boys for this. There 726 00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,760 was a kami run in the Central Bank and they 727 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:12,559 couldn't get rid of them. And you know, Sacks, Jeffrey Sachs, 728 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,000 who's doing the rounds now is great, so great on 729 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,199 all this stuff. He complained in real time. Man, we 730 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,800 are just so hamstrung by the fact that we've got 731 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,079 a commie at the Central Bank. We can't get rid 732 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,199 of this guy, and he won't stop printing money and See, 733 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,559 then all the former Soviet republics, fifteen of them, they 734 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:31,440 all had their own central bank, and the IMF insisted 735 00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:33,960 that they all not make new currencies, they stay on 736 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,119 the rubles. So what did they do? They all printed 737 00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,000 their own rubles. Hey, how are we gonna pay all 738 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,320 these rising prices, pete if we don't print more money? Right, 739 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,440 And so it was just the worst kind of self 740 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,880 inflicted wound there that ruined it all. And so then 741 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,280 the myth is that it was too much free market, 742 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,760 too fast, when what it really was was not free enough, 743 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,519 market too fast enough, And so it ended up turning 744 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:03,039 into this corrupt crony thing that then Putin rose out 745 00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:06,880 of Putin was part of Yeltsin's family and rose to power, 746 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,639 helping protect them from corruption charges. He protected the mayor 747 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:14,559 of Saint Petersburg, and then he protected he actually when 748 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,559 he became prime minister, he went after the prosecutor General 749 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,480 who was going after some of Yeltsin's men. I forgot 750 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,719 who it was he was going after, and Putin exposed 751 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,480 like a video of him and some sex capades or something, 752 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,440 and busted the prosecutor general and protected the Yeltsin family, 753 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,079 and that's how he got promoted, and that was why 754 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:38,320 Yeltsin trusted him and made him present, resigned early and 755 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,519 made him present three months before the election of two 756 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,239 thousand in order to secure his place. And then once 757 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,440 he was in there, he did help and protect the 758 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,920 Yeltsin family, helped them squirrel all their money out of 759 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,639 the country. And then he claimed Alpha Dog as head 760 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:55,000 of state, and he put all the oligarchs on notice. 761 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,880 The ones who want to stay loyal to him and 762 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,000 stay the hell out of politics can stay. Everybody else 763 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,400 better run for Tel Aviv, for London or New York, 764 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,519 which is what they did, and so he you know, 765 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:06,960 Roman Abramovich is one of his right hand men to 766 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,320 this day. But a lot of the other guys he 767 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,480 turned on and they fled, and he made himself top oligarch. 768 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,639 And that's why they hate him so much. Man is 769 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,920 because he declared independence from the United States circa two 770 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,639 thousand and two thousand and one. 771 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,039 Speaker 1: I know that we don't have enough time to get 772 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,599 into this, but maybe you can just give your opinion 773 00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:26,679 and we can maybe do this at a l later date. 774 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,800 I see Ukraine and what's happening in Israel right now 775 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,519 is one war. 776 00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,199 Speaker 2: Well, it's the American Empire, you know, incredibly involved. I 777 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,960 don't really see much of a connection between what Israel's 778 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,719 government wants and what's going on in Ukraine. I mean enough, 779 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,679 Tolly Bennett, I think, was probably one of the better 780 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,280 of the interlocutors trying to stop the war because he 781 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,920 had trust in Moscow and in Washington, and he apparently 782 00:41:56,039 --> 00:42:00,840 tried to play his role pretty neutral and pass on assurances. 783 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,760 I think that as close as we got to peace 784 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,280 was was Bennett trying to brok her one and then 785 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,000 later he backed off from that, which, by the way, 786 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:13,880 he's the guy that bombed the UN shelter in Kanna 787 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,039 in nineteen ninety six that motivated Muhammad Alta and Ramsey 788 00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:20,519 bin all Sheep to join al Qaeda, which I didn't 789 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,400 know that. I like that anecdote. I knew about that 790 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,199 for a long time. I didn't realize Bennett was the 791 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,000 one who called in the strike. But there you go, 792 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:28,079 all right. 793 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:35,039 Speaker 1: Three minutes, what is what is what we give? What's 794 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:36,960 putin going to get? 795 00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,599 Speaker 2: So he's going to get essentially all the land he's 796 00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:41,480 occupying right now. I don't know if he's going to 797 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,480 get more than that. If he wants to take Krkiev 798 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,719 and Odessa, he's going to have another couple of years 799 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,719 of war on his hands, and he might just keep going. 800 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,960 I don't know. He's in the position of strength. All. 801 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,840 Trump doesn't really have any sticks here. He can add 802 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,360 more sanctions and pour him more weapons, but we ride 803 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,360 that he's not going to put the American Navy and 804 00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:07,000 Army at Ukraine service. This is already way, way way 805 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,360 off the table. So he really doesn't have anything to 806 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,199 offer other than carrots. Will drop sanctions and be friends, 807 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,519 and we'll just forget all this ever happen and turn 808 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:17,719 over a new leaf and just try to bring Russia 809 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,360 back into Western civilization as much as we can. And 810 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,199 sorry about that, idiot Biden. Is his fault, not mine, 811 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,639 and let's just you know, go on. And that's about 812 00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:29,960 all America has to offer in this situation. I sure 813 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,360 hope Russia takes it, and and you know, I don't know, 814 00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,000 like you know, overall, I think the people of Harkiev 815 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,800 and Odessa do not want to be part of Russia. 816 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,320 I don't know the exact poll numbers, but they certainly 817 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,000 have not been fighting an insurgency against their you know, 818 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,239 Kiev's forces. In order to help Russia take that territory. 819 00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:53,599 They got already virtually all of Lahansk and almost all 820 00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:57,280 of Donyetsk, about two thirds of zu Prosia and half 821 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:04,000 a Curson that guaranteed fresh water supplies to Crimea through 822 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,559 their control of the south of Carson. And so that 823 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:11,199 ought to be good enough for them. Man, there, Prutent's 824 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,320 a damn fool if he doesn't take good enough right here. 825 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: One more Scott. Do you think the City of London 826 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,039 is serious about keeping this going? 827 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,599 Speaker 2: No? No, no, no. And they already had a big 828 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,840 meeting in Paris where they sat around and said, ah, jeez, 829 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,880 what are we gonna do without America And they all 830 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,719 agreed nothing. Of course, what the hell can they do 831 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,320 without us? Nothing? They don't have the power to do it. 832 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,599 Speaker 1: So it's all just talk. People are just talking, Francis talking. 833 00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 2: And yet yeah, yeah, I mean, because the thing is like, 834 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,519 let's say that the Germans of Britain and the French agreed, No, 835 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,000 we're taking our entire infantry and we're putting them in 836 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,639 the east and we're going to try to turn this 837 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,400 table here We're going to at least raise the stakes 838 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,360 for Russia. Big tone. What if it escalates, what's the 839 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,039 next step after that? They have no answer for that, 840 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,679 so forget it right. And even if the US they 841 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,719 wanted to take them to war against Russia, they probably 842 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,760 would back down. Then that would mean nuclear war. Maybe 843 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,559 we'd just let the h bombs fly overhead and stay out. 844 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:12,480 I think that's the most likely scenario for an American 845 00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,079 war with Russia, would be the Europeans on their knees 846 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:18,559 begging the Russians not to hit them. Don't nuke us, 847 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,559 just nuke DC where We'll stay out of it. Is 848 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:25,480 what Paris and Berlin and London would say. 849 00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: I think, right, do your plugs and I'll uh, I'll 850 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,320 get you out of here on time. 851 00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you man, and I'm sorry i was late, 852 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,800 and I'm happy to come back and try to finish 853 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,079 up with you. So the book, the book is Provoked. 854 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,719 It's on Amazon at scott Horton dot org. I got 855 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,559 six thousand interviews. If you want to sign up for 856 00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:42,880 the show. I'm just starting to put out the audio 857 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,599 book on substack at scott hortonshow dot com. I just 858 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,639 put out chapter two, Section one, the first half or 859 00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:53,000 so or first third of Bill Clinton Today. All of 860 00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:56,119 hw Bush is already out there, the audiobook. And then 861 00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,599 I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, Me and twenty 862 00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,559 five my best guys over there writing and doing podcasts 863 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,400 and publishing books. Got a brand new book out by 864 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,920 Joe Sola Smullen's The National Debt, and you with great 865 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,360 little monograph here. That's our sixteenth book, and we got 866 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,760 more coming soon. So that's at the Institute. It's actually 867 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,719 our fun drive right now. So if there's any gigantic 868 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,000 millionaires and billionaires listening, we'd be happy to deprive you 869 00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:28,519 of a few tens of thousands of dollars that you 870 00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,079 might have laying around that you probably don't need very badly, 871 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,880 and I'll pay my guys with them. That's basically the deal. 872 00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,000 And with that, I'll leave you with a thanks Pete, 873 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:37,559 good to talk. 874 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,679 Speaker 1: To you, Thanks Scott, to care of yourself. 875 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:04,320 Speaker 2: U