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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with mister Moore Jensen of the NBA podcast, fame

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of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO match name.

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Speaker 2: And of course only fans celebrity.

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Speaker 1: We are gathered around the Hardwood Knocks NBA campfire today

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to say we don't care.

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Speaker 2: About Lebron James watch four point zero.

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Speaker 1: We don't care about waiting for Jailen Duran to sign

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wherever he's gonna sign, which will probably be Detroit if

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not a sign and trade for another team. We're gonna

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go through the lay of the land post free agency craze.

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I think we've borrowing any surprise trades. We've exited the

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transaction tumult portion of the NBA offseason. So we're gonna

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take stock of every team doing the Eastern Conference today,

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we'll do the Western Conference I think is scheduled for

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as of right now.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do it on Friday.

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Speaker 1: So you'll be listening to it shortly after that. But

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we're gonna begin with the East before we get started,

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just alternating teams more.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing, I'm doing well.

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Speaker 3: It is It's not quite like Las Vegas temperatures over here,

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but it is, uh, it is warm. So I am

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looking forward to just getting this pod out of the

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way because I'm in my office and it's like I'm

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swimming pool ITTs already, which I know you appreciate.

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Speaker 1: That is one hot as hell, yeah, and two a

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little hurtful that you're just looking to get this pot

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out of the way.

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Speaker 2: I thought that you look so looked forward so much

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to record.

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Speaker 3: I do that. Look, I can. I'm a complex human being.

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I can have very I have a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: You can't contain multitudes, all right, And you're binary black

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or white, all right, So.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started.

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Speaker 1: You are the guests, though, is there anything that you

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really quickly that you consider when you're doing this? Like

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I tried to wait, we kind of don't know what's

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going to happen here or whatever, but I'm still I'm

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looking at the depth charts. How I think these teams

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are going to play considering what happened last year, And

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I'm just like, no, I think this team still needs this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, positional need is really what I come down

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to to. Like, there's a few there are there are

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a few teams where I'm like does this team have

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enough toughness? Like there are some components where I I

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don't look at positional need, but that's like eighty percent

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of it for me, Like where can this team struggle?

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Like where where can this team have issues? And if

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I can just jump right in, then I'm just gonna

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start with the Atlanta Hawks and.

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Speaker 1: We are not going alphabetically. But no, no, that is just

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I'm dedicated.

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Speaker 3: I am, I actually am. Because here's the thing I love.

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I love the Aaron Wickins acquisition. I love it. It's

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strengthened their whole wing rotation. But the thing is the

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ring rotation is weird because we just don't know if

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Sagary Rishche can ever become that quality piece that they

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need him to be. Corey Kisbert is fine, but you

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know he's he's a backup, Like no, no, no, no, I'm

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not not crabbing on Corey Kisbert that this man can

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finish at the RAM and he can shoot threes, like

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I'm in on Corey Kisburg, but not as a starter.

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So I just question their overall wink depth, like can

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they somehow finagle this because I'm assuming Jalen Johnson's gonna

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play primarily before that, at least to me, seems to

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be the most obvious position for him. It just it

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feels like there's a move to be had at some

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point before at the end of the summer here for them.

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Speaker 1: I would be with you that move might be a

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Johnathan can make a sign and trade to the Lakers

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for some reason.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what Los Angeles is thinking.

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Speaker 1: Still, they are an interesting team because I would agree

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with what you said. I also have half court shot

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creation listed for them, and I think you could probably also

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make a case like do they need a bigger earlier center.

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did fall off in the playoffs. I know they didn't

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have Jock Landale, does Henry Vasar contribute there at all?

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But last year they were in the twenty fifth percentile

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of half court offense with CJ. McCollum on the court

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and no Jalen Johnson, thirty third percentile overall about either

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of those guys, And then if you just look at

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when Jalen Johnson's on the floor without Trey Young, you know,

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so post like when Trey Young's injured, and then after

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they traded him. They're about a league average team or

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close to it in the half court. I don't know

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if Nikkeil, Alexander Walker, Jalen Johnson and CJ. McCollum are enough.

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big burden. How much is Kingston Fleming is gonna play?

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that stuff out of your wings right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Dyson.

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Speaker 1: Daniels can do it a little bit, but because of

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his limitations, you want to see more as a play finisher,

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the guy that's maybe setting the screens. So yeah, they're

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a very talented team, but it does feel that would

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be the appeal. By the way, I know a lot

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of Hawks hans are annoyed they they're not bringing back Kuminga.

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Doesn't look like they're open to it, but as of

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right now, doesn't look like they will.

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Speaker 2: I know that that is.

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Speaker 1: Maybe one of the reasons to be frustrated is you

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don't trust him to be consistent or set up teammates.

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shot in the half court for sure.

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Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, that is that is the need for

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Speaker 1: If you're ask me, I'm gonna go to where do

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I want to go to? Let's go to Cleveland. Lebron

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hasn't decided yet. I believe that Cleveland is the favorite

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to land him as of right now. Get Lebron, don't

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get Lebron. This team needs wing defense, or even just

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true wings. They lost Dean Wade. He has his offensive problems.

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guarded wings fifty two percent of the time on defense

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last year while just routinely taking on the toughest assignments.

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but it's like that's kind of it, and you have

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to chess piece your players around when you're looking at

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Donovan Mitchell, James Harden specifically to insulate them. I think

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you could put anybody in front of Evan Mobley and

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Jared Allen and they would still figure out a way

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to be a good defensive team in those minutes.

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Speaker 2: But if you're gonna add Lebron, or even if you don't.

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Speaker 1: You get to the playoffs and they need another like

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they need another wing guy and so I'm curious with

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them specifically, they have about thirty eight million dollars in

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room beneath the second apron without James Harden on the books.

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Can they stay under the second apron so that they

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can aggregate salaries as part of a trade. Can they

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even they do have a first round pick to trade.

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if you have Sam Merril on this team, how important

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do you view Max Strew So let's saying he's not important?

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an upgrade in there? And I also just wonder do

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you think they're offensively talented enough to say we don't

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have to care about the offense of the wing that

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is coming in, or do you need more? You know,

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like you can't just go after Herb Jones, or you

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can't go after lou Dort and Rope in a third team.

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who has more upside another name. I've listened to them.

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I don't know what it costs to get him out

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of Washington now. But Palla Kolbali defensively would make a

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lot of sense, yeah, for this team and a trade

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that I would throw to you. Can you do something

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like Jared Allen and then it's I think it would

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have to be like Max Strus for Trey Murphy, Herb

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Jones and Eves Meaci And maybe you're throwing the Cavs

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first round pick there or is that not enough if

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you're in New Orleans. Jared Allen's clearly the centerpiece coming

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in there.

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Speaker 3: That that's a big one. You just threw at me

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right there. Uh, that would be interesting. That would shore

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up there, They're wing dept immediately Like that would look

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in both the three and the four slot for a

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long time actually, and it allows Mopley. Yeah, okay, I

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like it. That's not bad, Like you get more symmetry

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in there, because like, what if we base it off

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the current iteration? Do we trust the Jared Allen Eman

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Moopley combination? Do we trust it? Or where are we

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Speaker 1: I trust it in the regular season for sure, But

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I think you might need the blend of or you

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either need a better blend of physicality when it comes

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to the playoffs, or you need to have a more

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liable wing who can like like for the playoffs that

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there's not as much on them defensively, but it also regardless,

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I think you're still looking at can Evan Mobley do more?

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diversify his offense even more? I don't know if I'm

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the Pelicans, if I would do that trade I threw out,

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it's fine, probably doesn't look as good as it did

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this time last year. And so I was curious if

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for them Jared Allen the first and then like, look,

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the team they have right now needs Max Strus, Like

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you just need a ton of shooting on the Pelicans.

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Speaker 2: So that was one that I had thought of.

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Speaker 3: So basically, the first two teams that we've gone through

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have had needs on the wing, all right, sensing a theme,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a rebel. I mean,

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there needs that bleed into the perimeter for me. But

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I don't have a wing listed for every team.

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Speaker 3: Some of them, for sure, no, no, but but quite

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a few actually, So this isn't necessarily wing specific. I'm

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gonna go Detroit now and it's gonna be yeah, Like obviously,

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we just so many open ended questions at this point, right,

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like Jalen Durham, we don't know what's gonna happen there,

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but it felt like they made moves to do something

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else as well. And look, they have also Thompson as

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their their primary wing. He is unquestionably a and the

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lead defender. I think there is some offensive upside in

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terms of his playmaking, his athleticism, his his you know,

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downhill ability. I think he's underrated as a bowl handler.

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from the wing as well. I'm not going wing specific

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on Detroit, but it is a position of need offensively

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speaking overall, I'm just looking at this roster and I'm

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just going scoring, like more scoring please, uh.

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Speaker 1: What I'm interested in because I would agree with I

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think your underlying sentiment here because I just have more

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offensive creation for them in general, because what you did

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is you got rid of So what I think is

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what they're doing and I kind of see the vision.

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I'm assuming John Durham comes back, and like you said,

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they did make moves, which feels as if there's a

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preamble to other moves. But assuming Durham comes back by

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getting John Collins, by getting Isaiah Joe, keeping Duncan Robinson

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again the Saws. Now it feels like maybe they're saying, hey,

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can we get more out of Asar Thompson and Donnis

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Jenkins with more floor spacing? And so I dug into

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the numbers a little bit, and this is still in need.

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I want to make it clear that the Pistons were

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in the sixteenth percentile of half court shot creation among

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players who aren't Kke Cunningham.

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Speaker 2: That is, that is awful.

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Speaker 1: But when Asar and Jenkins shared the court without k

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the Pistons were in the seventy seven percent title of

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half court offense. Last year, those lineup shot forty point

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eight percent on threes. The one caveat I will say,

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as of right now, I think this team will still

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miss to Bias Harris because John Collins isn't much of

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a shot creator. If you remove Tobias Harris from those

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of Sar Jenkins lineups, I just said, the offensive efficiency

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plummets to the thirty second percentile. But Asar Thompson could

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get better. When you say you need offense out of

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the wing spot, I absolutely agree with you and for

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him it's all right if you give him more spacing,

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can he improve as a finisher because just with his

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his handle, his IQ and the nuclear athleticism, he should

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just be finishing better at the rim than he has

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right so far?

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Speaker 1: Does more spacing help that? Can you just bank on

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Jenkins getting better? I'm not super excited about Detroit's offseason,

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but the more I look at their roster, and if

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you are willing to bake in the idea of two

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of the you know, Jenkins and or Thompson getting better,

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which is hardly outside the realm of possibility. I understand

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what they're trying to do. But we have Slamm o'clock

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in the chat saying best target for Detroit Trey, Cason Wallace,

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Peyton Watson, Kevin Durant, Trey Murphy is how many? How

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many teams? Is Trey Murphy the top target for Detroit

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should be one of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all of them.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Watson and Cason Wallas aren't good enough shooters or

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creators for me to view them as a primary. Kevin

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Durant would be super interesting if the Rockets were looking

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to cut the cord. So I think Detroit still needs

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to get better from the offensive creation.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on in that sense. For sure.

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Speaker 1: Do you trust Asara Thompson to get better offensively at all?

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Speaker 2: You didn't?

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Speaker 3: I do, but but I mean in terms of like

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the most crucial areas such as shooting. I yeah, that's yeah,

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and go Yeah. I trust also Thompson as a shooter,

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like not really, So we'll see what happens. Like I

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will say, one guy who we should probably devote more

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energy on in terms of like the Pistons context, is

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year three of Ron Holland has to go a lot better.

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I think, I think there's something there. I think defensively

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he's interesting, but I need to see him become more

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of an offensive, elite inclined player because that was also

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his m O at G League IIG nine as a

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player overall was he was someone who could go get

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you scoring. He was someone who could go get you

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three free FROs, and we haven't seen that at the

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NBA level at all. And shooting wise, he's been dreadful.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, he's someone on if you're married to Sara Thompson.

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I'm looking to trade Ron holland I just don't see

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the long term fit with him. And again we're assuming

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Speaker 2: And now back to the show. My pick.

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Speaker 1: Now right, let's see, let's go to my Toronto Raptors. Oh,

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they got some guy named Kawi Leonard. We don't know

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about his extension yet, but we assume he's going to

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design one they need.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go the Raptures or a company that

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the Raptors associate themselves with. Wait.

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Speaker 1: Did you see Kyle Lowry's speech, his retirement speech.

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he did it intentionally based I watched

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the like the full clip and just the way he sound,

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it didn't sound like he did this intentionally.

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Speaker 2: But Kawhi Leonard was there.

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Speaker 1: He was talking about the Kawhi Leonard acquisition and he said,

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you know you aspire to win a championship after you

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make that move. And I because it's Kyle Lowry, you

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never know, right, But it didn't sound like he did

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it on purpose. I thought it was incredible. It was

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an incredible moment.

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Speaker 3: Though, that's fantastic, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: There are It's uncomfortable because I'm so high on this team.

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I think you could go three different ways here. You

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could go with big Man Insurance behind Yaka Pertle. You

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could go with more guard creation or you could go

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with shooting. I'm gonna go with shooting because I think

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Kawhi is just a huge upgrade as a creator from

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Brandon Ingram. Look at like how many pull up threes

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he made last year, and then I'm just because I

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think that their best closing lineup is gonna be Kawhi,

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Scottie Barnes and calaminary Boyles in the front court. I'm

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not gonna waste too much energy on Oh, they need

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like another big man in here. So I think it

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just needs to be Now if they can get a

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stretch five, that'd be super interesting for this team. I

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think it just needs to be shooting. You look at this,

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even with the improvement that you're going to get from Leonard,

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who took a lot more threes last year, Scotty's teammates

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forty six percentile and three point shot making last season,

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thirty first and three point attempt rate and twenty fourth

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in pull up three point efficiency. Again, Kawhi takes care

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of some of that manuel quickly. He's he helps there too,

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but he was already there last season. Are we relying

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more on Jamison Battle to play a bunch of minutes here?

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Do we think can Jamal shed improve as a shooter?

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This team has a chance to be nasty defensively, but

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they still need and they don't have a ton of

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stuff left to trade now or a ton of financial

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flexibility for that matter. But even going out there and

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getting someone like Ashai mia Kaya Luk might help them.

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Speaker 2: Like that's the type of I just don't.

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Speaker 1: Between Kawhi and like their best shooters are who Kawhi

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Emmanuel Quickly and Jamison battle And if you like, if

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you trust Jakobe Walter, you throw him in there.

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Speaker 2: Don't think that's enough.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. I don't trust to Kobe Walter.

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Yet I think their upside. I'm not out of him

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as a prospect whatsoever, but I'm not at that point

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where I'm putting my eggs in the Jacoby Walter can

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shoot basket whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And even I feel as if he's a solid three

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and D option, but the three is always going to

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be Is he taking enough on a permanent basis? So yeah,

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But I will say what made me think about going

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with something like maybe just focusing on the center spot

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is because I really do think, with all due respect

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to brandon Ingram, that Kawhi is such an upgrade for

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this team. This isn't perfect, Like the Raptors did have

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a top ten half court offense last year, but Kawhi

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had a sixty two point six true shooting percentage with

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the Clippers when he played against top ten defenses last year,

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and you're throwing that in for brandon Ingram is just

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a massive upgrade.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see.

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Speaker 1: And I do think they're kind of obligated too, so

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it's not spicy take. I think they will do something

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in the middle of the season to address.

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Speaker 3: This, Yes, but like largely we agree it's it's a

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shooting related issue. I think a lot of this also

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changes if Colin Murray Boyles comes back with a reliable

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three point shot, Like he only made seventeen threes his

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first year, so that he would have to make a

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pretty percentage.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't bad on those though, right, No, thirty.

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Speaker 3: Four it's fine, Yeah, but like it's just so low

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volume that we can sit here and talk about, like,

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can we put any stock into fifty overall attempts from three?

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I don't know, but I just I don't hate his release.

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I don't hate like his shot selection. I think He's

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like pretty smart about understanding when does when do I

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have time to take this shot? When am I under

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pressure enough to have to seek out alternative reaction patterns.

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I kind of trust him to just make the right decision.

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So if you can lean into him as more of

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a shooter, if you can get there, that would be

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a huge help.

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Speaker 1: And it does it make you feel better that he

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shot so well on arc threes in comparison to corner threes,

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because then maybe it's okay, can you screen for Scottie

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and you can pop or you could just hit some

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trail threes insition, he.

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Speaker 3: Hit seventeen threes all year. I'm not couldn't suck into

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any of it. Well, what about the free throws?

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Speaker 1: So he's at sixty five percent from the line, that's

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not necessarily a good right again, low volume under two.

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Speaker 3: A ten yeah, every yeah, See that's the thing. He

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he was primarily just a two point conversion player, so

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something has to take up somewhere else offensively for him.

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Speaker 1: That or you just bank on Scotty Barnes turning into

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a good pull up three point shooter or a good

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stand still three point shooter. Is that still there's always

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there's flickers and flashes of Oh, Scotty Barnes is drilling

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like a trillion percent of his mid range jumpers.

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Speaker 2: You never know.

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Speaker 3: I I mean, look, he'd be lovely, but I mean

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he hit forty percent threes year. I just don't think

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we've seen enough from him in that department for me

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to trust it. But if it suddenly comes around, sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I clearly don't trust that I have shooting

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listed as the need. I clearly trust exactly. Then let's

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just stick with that, because I think we're very much

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in agreement on this. Uh your pick, Oh, it's me hmm,

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all right, Uh Pacers, Let's go Pacers.

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Speaker 2: Can you can? I just preface this.

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Speaker 1: With I looked at this team, yeah, and it took

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me way longer to come up with a need than

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I was thinking, because it's not like I'm ready to

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pick them to win the East, but I'm looking at

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the talent they have, and if Johnny Fervey is gonna

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be healthy, I might be ready to say some pretty

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reckless things about why aren't we talking about the Indiana

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Pacers leading In the next day. They feel like they

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might be one of the most complete teams in the

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Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 3: Right, which is why I'm gonna bush a bubble just

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a little bit, because I also have shooting here. I

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guesse I, look, they're they're an okay is shooting team,

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especially if halibert And is back and fully healthy. But

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there are certain areas where I'm less optimistic, like Supbat

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shakam h front line, Like Siam isn't a knockdown three

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point shooter. We know Sue isn't much of a shooter,

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Like he can take the mid range pop, which is good,

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but like the long ball not really, so like how

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do you bridge that? C. C. McConnell's still on the roster,

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He's not much of a shooter. Jeris Walker was still

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like it's up and now. I don't think it's very

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much the Jacoby Walter situation with Jeris Walker, like we

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might believe in him, but at the same time we

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might not. It depends on the week we're kind of in.

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So to me, I think shooting is definitely one thing.

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I like the Kelli Ouper acquisition. I thought that was

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severely underrated, especially I would like eight was.

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Speaker 2: It even made you think?

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Speaker 1: Because I was kind of wondering, Look, he played some center,

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but like he got a lot of wings last year.

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And so if you don't have Johnny Furphy in the rotation,

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the fact of Kelly Uber who guarded a metric ton

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of wings yep last year, and just he fits. You

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need him to get off the ball quicker or to

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pass at like at all whatsoever. But he fits like

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the way he can move off the ball or get out.

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He does fit. Let him and Obi topping on the

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court at the same time. The pacers might just be

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a blur in transition at that point.

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Speaker 3: So but yeah, so I'm sticking with my three point

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shooting accuracy skepticism at this point. That is my biggest

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question or biggest need for them at this current stage,

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because if they can get a couple more guys in

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who can spread the floor, things could be really fun.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, And I think you're right in the sense

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that they don't have aside from Tyre's haliburt, and you

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don't look at anyone on this team and say they're

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ultra high volume for three maybe relative to their position,

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00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,200
like a Jay Huff permanent relative to his position. Sure,

475
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,559
had I ended up settling on I was trying to

476
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:06,480
decide between they either need another guard creator just how

477
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,000
much like TJ McConnell, how much gas does he have

478
00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:11,119
left in the tank. And he's also comes with his

479
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,599
own you know you mentioned shooting. That's not someone who's

480
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:15,440
gonna be hitting a ton of threes that you have

481
00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:19,440
Quenton Jackson, Haliburton's coming back, you have Andrew Nemhard, But.

482
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: It feels like they need a Maybe it doesn't need.

483
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: To be a guard, but maybe another ball handler on

484
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:28,680
this team that's not Pascal siakam Or. I didn't like

485
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,599
waving Micah Potter to sign Larry Nance Junior. The theory

486
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,880
of Larry Nance Junior is great, but he's older, doesn't

487
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,400
really play. Michael Potter shot well from three last year,

488
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,039
which gets into your you know, Zubats isn't gonna take

489
00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:41,319
those threes, so they have both him and Huff coming

490
00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:43,759
off the bench. I think they could stand to maybe

491
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:48,400
upgrade the reserve big rotation. But I did have a

492
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,799
trade for them, and it was curious. There's a challenge

493
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:55,680
trade of who says no, Jim A Hawkes Oh, Jim

494
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:58,000
Hawks for Jaris Walker and Ben Sheppard.

495
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:03,519
Speaker 3: Who says no, oh, that's good.

496
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: Hawk has checks the ball, not the shoot it to

497
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:06,839
be clear, that's it.

498
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,599
Speaker 3: I think I think Milwaukee says noted that because Hack

499
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,960
has just had that good of a year and Walker

500
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:15,400
had what was just the second half of the year,

501
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,680
that was okay for him.

502
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,559
Speaker 2: Sheppard just had the extra year of cost control, which

503
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:20,279
is why.

504
00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:25,279
Speaker 3: And and Shephard was okay. I actually thought he'd play

505
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,400
better given that he was given a real chance at minutes. Defensively,

506
00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:32,960
I think he's really good. I thought he'd up the

507
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,039
offensive volume a little bit because frankly, I trusted his

508
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,839
shot release. I trusted him as an offensive player. But

509
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,559
for some reason, he seemed passive, not that engaged. I

510
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,640
felt like, so maybe it's just because he's young. There's

511
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,319
time yet, like if we're getting a version of Ben

512
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,720
Sheppard that's more aggressive, then not willing to relinquish HAIMI

513
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,880
hawkis for those two. But right now I have the

514
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,839
known commodity of hok Kiss, which I think is a

515
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,640
little bit more important. That's fair.

516
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,519
Speaker 1: Do you think if that deal, say that deal has

517
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,799
to go through, am I a first round pick short

518
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,920
or is it we're talking second round?

519
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:13,799
Speaker 3: Second round? The conversation, because we saw what seconds could

520
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:17,519
give you. This summer, Like, I'm not trying to downplay that,

521
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:20,359
like so many guys would just move for nothing, so

522
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,119
it will see.

523
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:27,039
Speaker 1: Let so my turn, Let's go to Boston. I did

524
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,880
find it funny that, regardless of what you think of

525
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,279
the uh Jalen Brown trade, the fact that Brad Stevens

526
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,480
kind of lamented the lack of rim pressure on this

527
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:39,279
team at the end of the year and then went

528
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,279
out and traded the guy who's best suited to providing

529
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,720
rim pressure is problematic. The Celtics were when you start

530
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:49,519
to dig into the numbers from last year, they were

531
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,440
twenty ninth in shot attempts at the rim and the

532
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,319
half court per one hundred possessions, and they were fourteenth

533
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,640
out of sixteenth during the playoffs. Jalen Brown led the

534
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,759
team in honessis did rim attempts per one hundred possessions

535
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,359
at eight point four to eight. Next up with Jason

536
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,680
Tatum at five point three. You're replacing Jalen Brown with

537
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,200
Paul George, who averaged two point seven unassisted roem attemps

538
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,039
per one hundred possessions last year. What comes along with

539
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,640
that room pressure too? Are they going to be able

540
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,720
to get to the foul line enough that already wasn't

541
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,000
necessarily a strength with Jason Tatum and Brown, and now

542
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,400
you're removing Brown, who led the team in free throw

543
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,119
attempts per seventy five possessions last year. He didn't necessarily

544
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,839
have this profound impact on the team's overall three. Like

545
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,920
when you start to really dig into the advanced metrics,

546
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,119
that's where their John Brown discussion gets so fascinating. George

547
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:38,920
just isn't going to get to the foul line at

548
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,359
the same rate. And I do think you're losing something

549
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:45,200
when you look at Jalen Brown's performance against top five

550
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,680
defenses last year, fifty six true shooting against top ten defenses.

551
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,319
If you broaden that up, fifty six true shooting again,

552
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,160
not incredibly high, but at least it's that league averages

553
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,640
baseline against these elite defenses.

554
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: Paul George was in the fifth threes in both of

555
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,359
those filters.

556
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: So if I'm Boston, you have Mitchell Robinson now on

557
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,640
the offensive glass, which will matter for sure, and he's

558
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,319
gotten better at throwing the ball out for three pointers,

559
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,440
which fits Missoula ball, as does the offensive rebounding. I

560
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,119
don't know where this team is going to generate rim

561
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,119
pressure from though in transition. Yeah, sure they could do

562
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,640
it in the half court, though I don't like who's

563
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,799
best suited to do that for them? Right, it's probably

564
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,880
Jason Tatum. I don't think that's probably yeah, yes, okay,

565
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,279
so after Jason Tatum, is it? I guess it's Derek White.

566
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:35,759
Is that the the answer?

567
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, probably right, Peyton Pritcher're gonna pinch No. I

568
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:41,799
it's the fact that we.

569
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: Even have Jalen brunts in two point zero. So all right,

570
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,839
oh god, that was the sake my biggest need for

571
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,880
these guys. And I don't mean to troll them, because

572
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,000
this is just the reality of the situation.

573
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,039
Speaker 3: Center. Look, we can't sit here and act as though

574
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,480
Mitchell Robinson can be penciled in for sixty plus games

575
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,680
every single year. He just oh yeah, why not, Dan?

576
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,480
Why not? So so like, great, okay, they got him

577
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,359
in there. Look, I'm crossing everything I have here that

578
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,480
I am that he's healthy and that it'll be fine.

579
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,279
But history kind of suggests otherwise, which means that Cata

580
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,119
once again could be in a role where he will

581
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,359
have to overextend himself or it'll have to go back,

582
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,920
you will have to go back to the Luca garsa

583
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,839
wacken it. So I'm just a little bit worried about

584
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,519
the quality and depth at center.

585
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: I think that's fair and I it's a fair quite.

586
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,799
Speaker 1: The Knicks cheaping out after winning a title, not going

587
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,000
to the second apron, I think is bullshit. With that

588
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:54,160
being said, when you dig into the Mitchell Robinson contract,

589
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,759
a two plus one, so three guaranteed years.

590
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if the Knicks were willing.

591
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,839
Speaker 1: To go into the second at that's a conversation I'm

592
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,640
having as a front office as the weather we're matching

593
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,039
that deal.

594
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,559
Speaker 2: So that's in support of your point.

595
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,759
Speaker 1: I think they probably will cobble together enough from the

596
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,480
center position because Garza was pretty good for them last year.

597
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,119
Could they go out and to your point or not,

598
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,000
to the team that they're building, do you go like,

599
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,640
could you get a Kyle Philipowski just to add more

600
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,240
stretch because right now, Mitchell Robinson and Kada aren't gonna

601
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,319
add a ton of stretch for you.

602
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: Garza might that's such a good player to bring up

603
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,000
Kyle Philipowski. I think he's such a Boston guy.

604
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: Could he play center though? Because he can't he's not

605
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:39,319
doesn't play like he feels like against Robinson he probably could,

606
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,160
and the rest probably a little bit. So that's I

607
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,920
think they'll just get enough at the center spot that

608
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,119
I would view rim pressures because even if you look

609
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,799
at their centers, like Mitchell Robinson just doesn't have a

610
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:55,720
ton of offensive value in general general.

611
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: Kada is more versatile on that end, but he's not.

612
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,079
Speaker 1: Like, so even at the center spot, you're not looking

613
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:03,519
at them and saying, well, we have someone who could

614
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,319
generate a ton of rim pressure outside of whether they're

615
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:09,640
in transition or getting offensive rebounds or have a wide

616
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,839
open lane of the bet like, do you have a

617
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,720
decision maker at the center of the floor who could

618
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,640
like make the three two or three dribble decision that

619
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,240
might be lacking at the center spot.

620
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,559
Speaker 2: I think rim pressure is probably the bigger issue for

621
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:19,880
this team.

622
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,799
Speaker 1: And I also, just as I said top, I think

623
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,400
it's hilarious that they they publicly pinpointed it as the

624
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,279
biggest issue and then proceeded to make it worse over

625
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:28,960
the offseason.

626
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,119
Speaker 3: Yep, So was that a question? Can we move on?

627
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: What you can answer it? If you think it was

628
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:36,880
a question.

629
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,799
Speaker 3: I don't think it was. I agree.

630
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,519
Speaker 1: Oh, a regulator says Chris Kana actually get twelve minutes

631
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:42,119
a game two?

632
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: So raw though that that would be the other.

633
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: Thing that I didn't get YOUO, Gonzales might we didn't

634
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,880
mention his name. That might be someone or maybe a

635
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,319
bayl or shireman Jordan Walsh too. Uh, that is that's fair,

636
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,680
that's a really good I didn't give enough. I wouldn't

637
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,359
bet on CC doing it, but right Loganzales or Jordan Waller. Yeah,

638
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,519
I still think you made you made the rim pressure

639
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,279
issue worse though, right, just by getting rid of John Brown.

640
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have the Miami heat here.

641
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Oh, just the most anti climactic, the honest destination of

642
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,960
all time. Congratulations on leaving Milwaukee to not contend for

643
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,640
a title, honest, great, great work.

644
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: So so guards, no, just guards. Dabian Mitchell and Tim

645
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,240
Hardaway Junior are going to play a billion minutes this

646
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:41,559
year unless something happens like okay, Pela Larson too. But yeah,

647
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:47,440
respective Throne, Yeah, you're gonna need something else here, like

648
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:51,759
I don't know who that is, but there is some

649
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,799
huge lack of playmaking from the guard spot.

650
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Well do you you want a stat that should terrify

651
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:02,599
the Miami and their fans. Yes, here are the three

652
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,960
players who led them in half court creation last season,

653
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:12,240
Jim hawkez Tyler Hero and Norman Powell. Oh god, how

654
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,079
many of those guys are still on the team. Yeah,

655
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,240
you got Giannis to be fair.

656
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,039
Speaker 3: True, but.

657
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: At what like you don't even have you can't even

658
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,799
look at say, well, maybe Yakaonas is going to provide

659
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:26,400
us with that outlet. Oh he's gone too, he's also

660
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,920
Oh okay, Pelee Larson, we really need you to kind

661
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,799
of him and Davion Mitchell are just way too critical

662
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:36,559
to the Heat's offensive structure right now.

663
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look in regards to Pella Larson, you can

664
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,119
never trust a suite to do anything. So that's just

665
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,160
that's where we are.

666
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how they are. They are from a

667
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,839
need perspective. Could you argue that they are the team

668
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,359
that needs Lebron the most?

669
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: If everyone has to mention, See, that's the thing, because look,

670
00:32:56,319 --> 00:33:00,440
Lebron's going to be forty two. Can you imagine getting

671
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,680
him and installing him as the starting point guard? That

672
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,680
is just that's too tall task for someone at that age.

673
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,839
Like I just don't know where to place him.

674
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:13,799
Speaker 1: They're absolutely well, I think if you start Andrew Wiggins,

675
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,759
bam Oudebaio, Jannis Lebron, and Davion Mitchell, you're fine. Lebron

676
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:19,359
is your point guard but doesn't have to play point

677
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,240
guard on defense.

678
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, so you kind of switched the roles, all right,

679
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:27,960
Yeah maybe, and then you have wigs guarding like two's

680
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:31,920
yeah okay, I can. I can sort of see it,

681
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,599
like you definitely need something. You need creation at some

682
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,160
level that isn't Janie and and Bam because like Bam

683
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,400
is okay, Giannis is better, but like none of those

684
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,279
guys are like true elite playmakers. So and Mitchell I

685
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:48,279
felt like even though he was averaging what like seven

686
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:52,480
assists last year, it felt as though so many of

687
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,440
those assists were just like him passing the ball along

688
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,559
the baseline, and like they were not advanced playmaking, right,

689
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,279
Like he's fine, I'm not trying to rag on him,

690
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,720
but like it was simple assists. They were just simple.

691
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,840
So I'm just gonna need something else from the card spot.

692
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't how do they get it? So they have

693
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:17,000
ten million dollars in room beneath the first apron, right, now,

694
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,960
which they cannot go over. It's but they don't have

695
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,760
a like you have to turn Yovich and or Bobby

696
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,880
Portis into something, right.

697
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: I thought they'd pivot off Portois, but I don't know.

698
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: Maybe I just I don't even know who is, Like

699
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,000
what does that put you, like in the market for

700
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,079
could you get both? Like could you put those two

701
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,719
together and get Jalen Green?

702
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: Hmmm? Yeah, But does Jalen Green solve anything?

703
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:46,079
Speaker 2: No?

704
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,639
Speaker 1: No, I mean at this point, I feel like you're

705
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,119
kind of praying for a zach Lavine buy out or something.

706
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,599
I mean, DeMar Rosen's floating around out there on the

707
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:53,679
market as we're talking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's let's add tomorrow to it. Seemed that

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like doesn't really have a whole lot of floor spacing

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as is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, could you talk the Kings into that, dude? I mean,

712
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I don't even know what the heat's second round pick

713
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situation is. But like, does Yovich and seconds get you

714
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Malik Monk from Sacramento?

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Speaker 2: Probably not.

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Speaker 3: Even that would be a little bit underwhelming.

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Speaker 2: I mean relative to the roster, I think that's a

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whole run.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, you're right, you're right, But like, yeah,

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so Miami. I think Miami have like quite a few questions.

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Speaker 1: Can you get Scoot Henderson for free? Now that John

722
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,039
Moran's in Portland? Like what's going on?

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Speaker 3: God? Yeah, that's look that Actually that's a good point.

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Like maybe if you want to point guard, go fish

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in Portland, Like there are a lot of guys there.

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There's Drew, there's Scoot, there's Dame, there's job Like.

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Speaker 2: Whoever Fish in Portland got Mabe? That was good.

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Speaker 1: I wish they don't even have enough to like Cam

729
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,000
Spencer or Tie Jerome would make a lot of sense

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on this team. They're gonna end up getting D'Angel Russell

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off a bio market probably, isn't that?

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Speaker 3: Oh poor Miami fans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have man and for me, Simon's for

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the deal he signed would have made even with Tim

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Hardway Junior would have made a lot of sense in

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Miami too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I was very, very uh surprised that

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he didn't sign. There are they the how low are you?

739
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,320
They can't like there's no Yovich Bobby Ports for Josh Giddy?

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Speaker 1: Would you want that in woul actually make a lot

741
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of sense. I just don't know why Chicago would do it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that would actually be pretty interesting, wouldn't it not

743
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for Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Yo, which is four years left on a deal where

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he wasn't really a rotation.

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Speaker 2: Player last year.

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Speaker 1: Regulator says Brandon Williams. At the minimum, he'd be interesting.

748
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But are we just gonna have no shooting on the

749
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,119
heat at that point? Just Tim Hardaway Junior and hopes

750
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:51,599
and dreams and that's it right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:56,599
Speaker 2: Oh and Jovic floor space or baby in theory.

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Speaker 3: In theory, no, we'll see. And by the way, even

754
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,119
if they did get giddy like not a natural scorer

755
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:06,239
either or sorry that netial shooter either also fair.

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Speaker 1: I think just with the level of like spray out

757
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,360
he get from Giannis would probably be line. But yeah, yeah,

758
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,880
that is the need like that that you could talk

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yourself into overall depth for this team.

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Speaker 2: But it's Miami just needs guard creations so so badly.

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00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:25,119
It is my turn. Who haven't we done yet? Uh?

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Speaker 5: Let's see here, Yeah, well duh, let's go to uh,

763
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:35,119
let's go to Philly, all right? They I they need shooting, right,

764
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,960
especially because they got Anthony Simons, which I thought was good. Uh,

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And then I think, so what I do think is

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overblown is the one ball argument with Jallen Brown, Tyres

767
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:49,320
max ebjs Coleman, Joel Embiid. We saw Joel Embiid scale

768
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,000
back his on ball action share last year. He only

769
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:54,960
used twenty five point four percent of the team's on

770
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,400
ball offensive possessions when he was on the court, But

771
00:37:57,519 --> 00:37:59,920
Tyrese Maxy was at fifty one point three in Jaale

772
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,760
Brown is at forty seven point seven. I think ideally

773
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you want Tyres Maxi to not have to be on

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the ball that often, and so he addresses some of

775
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,719
the off ball shooting concerns. And we've seen Jalen Brown

776
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be on the ball much less as recently as the

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season before. Last season he used thirty seven point two

778
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,800
percent of Boston's on ball possessions.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not worried about the distribution.

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about, Okay, where is the gravity or the

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knockdown shooting coming from. You do have Simons, you have

782
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Maxi vj. Edgecomb just isn't like he could be there,

783
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,599
but he's not there yet. Jalen Brown's in the thirtieth

784
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,840
percentile of catch and shoot three point efficiency last year.

785
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,920
Two of their top four players in off ball gravity

786
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,440
last season are just gone, and so it's all right,

787
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,559
Simon's will help you. Do we need the Baron Filon

788
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,119
to play minutes in Philly? And that's probably not ideal

789
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,360
if you because it's not even just the shooting. Do

790
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,920
you need more of a ball handling option off the bat,

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which I think Simon's addresses enough of that, but he's

792
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not a born playmaker. He's a better passer than a

793
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Colin Sexton. But so I think that's what this team needs.

794
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A shooting and maybe like a different, a more seasoned

795
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,199
guard creation coming off the bench. But for me, it's

796
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just if you're gonna have Jaylen Brown, Joel Embiid and

797
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,039
or another bit like it's Joelle just a big man,

798
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,719
Jaylen Brown a big man. And then how do you

799
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,199
feel about Tyre Spaxy's not afraid to take three pointers?

800
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,840
How do you feel about him though? As a knockdown shooter.

801
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,639
It's really just Maxi and Simon's on this roster as

802
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knockdown spacers.

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Speaker 3: YEP, I don't disagree, And I will one up here

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and say power forward. It's a need for me. They

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00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,559
just they don't really have a good four if they

806
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get Trenton Watford back. I think that helps, but like

807
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,800
is it enough? That's the question? Right, Like, then you're

808
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,039
you're pivoting between Dominic Barlow and and Trenton Watford. We

809
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,760
saw that last year some Jabbari Walker like sprinkled in

810
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,639
here and there. I guess it's fine, or unless we

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were just kind of putting Dean Wade into that spot.

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Maybe we are. It just feels like they need a

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better four, someone who's a little bit more connective.

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Speaker 1: Do you So you don't think between Dean Wade and

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Jayn Brown they just have it have it covered.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I would like someone because I would say,

817
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like someone with a little bit more size at least

818
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if Brown is going to play some of those minutes

819
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because we again, we just don't know with embiid right,

820
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Like we don't know if he's going to go down,

821
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,920
how long he's gonna stay healthy. So like, if you're

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putting a lot of onus on Dominic Barlow, for example,

823
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in Dean Wade and Aerial hook Porty to just do

824
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big man stuff assuming EMBID isn't available, I feel as

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though that could be pretty taxing. So I would like

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to see someone in there who's like a bigger four,

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who has perhaps a little bit of center position center experience,

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or who just has a skill set that could be interesting.

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Speaker 2: But lebron j do it for you?

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Speaker 1: He would, yes, all right, Bold, Bold, there's not Slim

831
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Pickens on the fore market in free agency. Yeah, Keishaw

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Johnson would be interesting, but he's a little bit on

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the smaller side. He does play a lot of four

834
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before what you're talking about. He's a little on the

835
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smaller side. Yeah, uh no, keep Kamingo away from this team.

836
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Shire Williams doesn't do it not. Bogie Flyer might be interesting,

837
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,119
but he's probably better at guarding down. Yeah, And I mean,

838
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:31,079
like they don't have you still like the Paul George

839
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John Brown trade, didn't trade their salary structure.

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Speaker 2: They're so top heavy as to where.

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Speaker 1: Until the like the trade deadline, will they'll have a

842
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,400
couple of like middle and Dean Wade and every assignmons.

843
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,239
They just don't have these salaries to move. So I

844
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,320
think that the team we're looking at now is kind

845
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,960
of just the team that they're going to go into

846
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,880
the season with too. So I guess we'll get an

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00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,360
answer as to what is the bigger need.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, can you.

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Speaker 1: Just tell her everyone who's watching listening where they can

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find you and all the work.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully nothing comes up, although with the Kauhi trade being rescinded,

865
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more than I might need to have a discussion like

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with what that's gonna look like? That only give backs

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to Clippers.

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Speaker 1: Right now though, so until next time, And as always,

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the indelible. His trade for him has never ever been rescinded.

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