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<v Speaker 1>What if I told you that one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>accurate predictions about the state of America today came not

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<v Speaker 1>from a politician or a pundit, but from an astronomer.

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<v Speaker 1>Nearly thirty years ago, Carl Sagan, the brilliant mind behind Cosmos,

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<v Speaker 1>warned of a future America drowning in misinformation, stripped of

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<v Speaker 1>critical thinking, and ruled by the powerful few, while the

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<v Speaker 1>public clung to superstition over science. In his book The

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<v Speaker 1>Demon Haunted World, Sagan didn't just anticipate our political division

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<v Speaker 1>and scientific literacy. He nailed it. And yet, despite his

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<v Speaker 1>warnings on climate change, we largely ignored him. In this video,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll summarize how Carl Sagan's words still echo in our

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<v Speaker 1>headlines today and why a renewed commitment to skepticism, reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and collective action is more urgent than ever. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I met we, when I said me, I really met me.

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<v Speaker 1>We as in everybody right here. And also, so this

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<v Speaker 1>story actually comes from scoop Upworthy by Vannie Coker on

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<v Speaker 1>July seventh, twenty twenty five. So, Cindy, I'm coming to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you talked about reading about this distract from

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<v Speaker 1>the Demon Hunter World and you said you feel a

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<v Speaker 1>little conflicted. Tell us about your conflict.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, my conflict is that On one hand, I think

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<v Speaker 2>Carl Sagen was a really brilliant man. I loved his

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<v Speaker 2>show Costmos, which is available on YouTube right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>I suggest everyone to watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a fabulous communicator, and he explains things in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that they are understandable even by me, by you

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<v Speaker 2>and me, by everyone. It's even complicated things. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's brilliant. On the other hand, the thing he describes

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<v Speaker 2>in this in his book, which was published in ninetety six,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they were already very well.

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<v Speaker 3>On the way when he wrote it.

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<v Speaker 2>So like corporation, they were moving their factories to China.

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<v Speaker 2>Studying in the eighties, the trickle low on economy that

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be miraculous to everyone started.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Compared to his quote, inequalities had already started to increase.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of that, the attacks on public schools studied at

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<v Speaker 2>the same period, which is it sounds like a coincidence,

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<v Speaker 2>But it all began with one man. I would say, so, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>everything he says is true because it started already twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years before he said it, and it kept on going

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<v Speaker 2>because of the political makeup of the United States. But

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<v Speaker 2>what people in the US feel when reading this is

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<v Speaker 2>the same feeling that the rest of the world is

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<v Speaker 2>feeling right now watching the US turning fascist.

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<v Speaker 4>He's going to rub it in a little is going

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<v Speaker 4>to He's going to rub it in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>We know, we know what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we kind of do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But my point is I'm not trying to be mean here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying that this this this feeling that we

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<v Speaker 2>have on the outside right now seeing this thing happening,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know why it happens, we know what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen, and we've been saying it for a decade

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<v Speaker 2>and it's still happening. I'm pretty sure it's very close

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<v Speaker 2>from what Carl Seiga was feeling at the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the reason why he wrote this back then.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's my point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we we we're picking up what you're putting down,

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<v Speaker 1>Cindy and and everyone. We have a new podcaster who

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<v Speaker 1>has joined us as host. Everybody say hello to Raa Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>say hi, Rah, Okay, very good. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about doctor Sagan. Okay, what do you got what

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<v Speaker 1>you have to say about doctor Sagan? He's he did

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<v Speaker 1>live in the house. Yeah, and he even he even

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<v Speaker 1>testified in front of the House of Representatives. Did he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't he about climate change? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>I know. Yeah, smart n knows a lot about Carl Sagan.

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<v Speaker 1>He does.

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<v Speaker 4>He knows way more than me.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a pretty good you know source. But you know, Tracy,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted you to talk about doctor Sagan and how

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<v Speaker 1>he was. You know, can you talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, I think Cindy pretty well laid it out.

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<v Speaker 4>He seemed to have just been a guy who was

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<v Speaker 4>really well plugged into what was going on economically in

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<v Speaker 4>society around him at the time. He had to have been,

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<v Speaker 4>in order of in order to have made a prediction

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<v Speaker 4>that that, you know, came true. But thanks to Cindy,

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<v Speaker 4>I now know that it's kind of like, uh yeah, duh,

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<v Speaker 4>that was already going on. It was sort of like

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<v Speaker 4>the wars and rumors of wars thing. It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's yeah, clearly, good job. There's gonna be weather today.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, wonderful prediction. I'm a lot less impressed with him,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you for disillusioning me, Cindy, I'm sorry. You know

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not being No, thank you for disillusioning me. I

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<v Speaker 4>love I love being disillusioned because I thought it was

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<v Speaker 4>pretty impressive. But now that you pointed that out, that

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<v Speaker 4>it was already all going.

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<v Speaker 5>On, Yeah, all right. I wasn't born yet. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>have made that call.

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<v Speaker 4>So, you know, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Just one thing I'd like to point out about critical

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<v Speaker 2>about climate change. In the late seventies, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>big meeting, international, international meeting between big powers, and they

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<v Speaker 2>knew back then that climate change was starting to be

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<v Speaker 2>an issue. The problem is, at the time there was

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<v Speaker 2>also the Ozonnayer problem, and so the powers that be

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<v Speaker 2>decided that it would be too much for the public

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<v Speaker 2>to handle both issues, so they decided to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>one and they pretty much solved it. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest with that. The ozon layer is now almost

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent back and that problem has been almost solved.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was at the detriment of climate change, and

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<v Speaker 2>so when people say it's a new thing, it's definitely not.

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<v Speaker 2>It was already a thing in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, let me tell you, let me talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>All about something if you are not a person that

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<v Speaker 1>watches like old episodes of Doctor Who. Yes, I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to get into my Hoovian life there. Yeah, I'm moving

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<v Speaker 1>out right now. There was an episode that actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a professor on it that talked about and protested different

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<v Speaker 1>companies in the UK, in the UK and the UK

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<v Speaker 1>that were contributing to the in the ozone layer. And

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<v Speaker 1>so since they were talking about also all these particular

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<v Speaker 1>issues that were happening with global warming and climate change

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<v Speaker 1>m h. And so since this was the case, we

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is not a new topic, right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a new topic, right, It's not it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a new topic, right. So basically, you know, Carl Sagan

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<v Speaker 1>was they was talking about a lot of the different

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<v Speaker 1>things that was happening at that particular time. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>particular right exactly? You know. And so since we we

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<v Speaker 1>know this is the case, we know that we had

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<v Speaker 1>people who happened to be in power that would actually

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<v Speaker 1>try to turn to something else in order for us

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<v Speaker 1>not to talk about these things, right, And so now

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<v Speaker 1>we are in this place where we have climate change deniers, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>climate change deniers, right, ro Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a problem, isn't it raw? Yeah, yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. And now that we are dealing with what

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<v Speaker 1>we're dealing with now, even though, like I know that

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Sagan was necessarily a profit but he definitely could

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<v Speaker 1>read the times. So I want to ask you both,

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<v Speaker 1>what would a serious human centered approach to an existential

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<v Speaker 1>threat like climate change actually look like? And why has

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<v Speaker 1>the political will to act remained weak despite decades of

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<v Speaker 1>morning Tracy, I want to start with you, and then Cindy,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to follow up.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, what would what would a human centered approach

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<v Speaker 5>to an existential threat like climate change look like?

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<v Speaker 3>Jen?

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<v Speaker 4>From my understanding, what a good, strong, human centered approach,

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<v Speaker 4>what it would have been would have been to cut

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<v Speaker 4>our emissions drastically some number of decades ago. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that there is stuff that we can do, but I've

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<v Speaker 4>heard a lot and once again, I'm very not educated

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<v Speaker 4>on the ins and outs of climate change, but I

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<v Speaker 4>mean there's always a certain amount we can do, right,

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<v Speaker 4>we can cut back on whatever we can. But my

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<v Speaker 4>understanding is that we have kind of abused our atmosphere

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<v Speaker 4>in such a way and abused the earth in such

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<v Speaker 4>a way that we've kind of hit a point of

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<v Speaker 4>no return along several different axes, Like we're never going

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<v Speaker 4>to get all of the plastic out of the world

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<v Speaker 4>that we've dumped into it, and that is a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>But for the weather, for the climate change, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what the current experts are saying would be the

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<v Speaker 4>best course of action, but I think maybe just listening

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<v Speaker 4>to them instead of ignoring them and saying it's more

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<v Speaker 4>important to chase after money.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's how we got to this point.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of it was chasing after money, things were

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<v Speaker 4>too expensive to do at a certain time, and and

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<v Speaker 4>things of that nature. But what did you have to say, Cindy,

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<v Speaker 4>You have probably a much smarter thing to say that

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<v Speaker 4>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we want to have a human centered

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<v Speaker 2>approach to fight climate change because humans are not the

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<v Speaker 2>only ones impacted by climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to take into account all the the entire

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<v Speaker 2>ecosystem of the earth. Uh and and and any any

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<v Speaker 2>attempt at solution that would be human centered, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>would be incomplete.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, and Tracey said, it's it's you.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't solve the issue when, uh, the source of

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<v Speaker 2>the issue is capitalism.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's it's that simple.

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<v Speaker 2>The conception society that's the source of half of the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Lobbys decided decide pretty much everything that happens in the world. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the source of the problem. Until we solve this,

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<v Speaker 2>we won't be able to solve climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even though like I understand that, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just like human beings that's impacted by climate change

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<v Speaker 1>or even like that's impacted by any of the policies

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<v Speaker 1>that we're dealing with as an electorate. Now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still going to take you know, people who happen

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the seats that make the decisions to

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<v Speaker 1>actually have that mindset. And I know that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of organizing on the ground that is pushing for

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<v Speaker 1>policy change and also it's pushing for a new direction

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to how we handle what we're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with right now, because like, unfortunately, capitalism is not just

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<v Speaker 1>driving like how America is responding to climate change, it's

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<v Speaker 1>also driving how we are putting other policies into effect,

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<v Speaker 1>and how it's also affecting the people who happen to

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<v Speaker 1>be around us, right and unfortunately, here we have an

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<v Speaker 1>uphill battle. We have an uphill battle because right now,

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<v Speaker 1>the more that we have people who deny, deny, deny, deny,

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<v Speaker 1>climate change is a thing, and deny, deny, deny that

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<v Speaker 1>some of the other policies that have come out as

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<v Speaker 1>of late are harmful. We're going to constantly deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing over and over and oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the thorough road is, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>that we can't deal with what we're dealing with, like

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a breaking point and how that

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<v Speaker 1>looks and how it's how it's going to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>inherit the issues that we are dealing with over because

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, what's in front of us right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just just hoping, because I just keep on going

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<v Speaker 1>back to this about you know, the importance of critical

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<v Speaker 1>thinking and skepticism and also the importance of making sure

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<v Speaker 1>these particular thinking patterns are in our kids, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>without you know, sounding you know cliche that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with Whitney Houston saying that she believes the

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<v Speaker 1>children are our future. They are they're the future leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's an incumbent on all of us to really, like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually teaching them that, hey, thinking is a thing

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<v Speaker 1>and questioning is a thing, and just because somebody is

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<v Speaker 1>or your line notes, I yeah, my eyes are not lying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. It has to be that to that particular

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<v Speaker 1>telling our future that you know, we need to be

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<v Speaker 1>more leaning on empiricism and skepticism and critical thinking and

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<v Speaker 1>also being able to say to the ones who happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be above us, know, what you're saying is wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and how you're doing it is incorrect, and we need

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<v Speaker 1>to change course. I wish I knew what's the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to confront these myths, but the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I can really think of is just making sure that

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<v Speaker 1>we're teaching those who happen to be under us how

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<v Speaker 1>to spot them. What are your thoughts on that, Tracy?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start with you and then sendy you.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you're right. It's too long of a battle.

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<v Speaker 4>It's far too long of a battle to be solved

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it'd be great, be great if so. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just that's not where I'm putting my money. We need

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<v Speaker 4>to keep passing on the value of such things and

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<v Speaker 4>just hope that it continues to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Passed on in that fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>So last week friends decided to end the well to

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<v Speaker 2>permitted to use since I think it's twenty twenty. And

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<v Speaker 2>so when the congress people were interviewed that, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>specifically one who was asked, well, you know, scientists say

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<v Speaker 2>that those products, nicotinoids, they are killing all the bees

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<v Speaker 2>and all the insects, and they're also bring cancer to people.

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<v Speaker 2>And the congressman said, yeah, no, no, that that's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not proven. We don't know that. And the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who was interviewed in said, no, we have quite a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of social studies and and and and and we

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<v Speaker 2>have evidence of this. Scientists are pretty clear on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and and the guys, oh scientists, you know, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we we know what scientists say. They always you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's what what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>So that there's there's a world of difference between the

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<v Speaker 2>French democracy and the US democracy, and yet we still

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<v Speaker 2>end up with this, uh, with these kind of problems here.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's a global issue, it's a global phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>It's uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't know how we can fight it, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you if you fight it incrementally, like if if

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<v Speaker 2>you try to create a source of power, like like

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<v Speaker 2>a party that would follow some and and skepticism and

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<v Speaker 2>way up, it would take fifty years to change things.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, the only way to change this

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<v Speaker 2>is to topple the billionaires that are in charge and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that no change ever happens. But how can

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<v Speaker 2>you do that because they have all the money, all

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<v Speaker 2>the power. So yeah, I agree, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>You know. My final reflection, guys, I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>Karl Sagen wasn't a prophet. He was a scientist's arm

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<v Speaker 1>with reason. History and a deep concern for humanity. His

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<v Speaker 1>predictions weren't mystical revelations, but the results of clear eye

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<v Speaker 1>observation of where we were headed. If we continue to

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<v Speaker 1>abandon critical thinking and civic responsibility today, we face the

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<v Speaker 1>very real crisis he warned about, climate inaction, and crisis

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<v Speaker 1>of truth and widening gaps between power and people. But

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<v Speaker 1>unlike superstition, humanism doesn't offer false comforts. No, it does

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<v Speaker 1>not offer false comfort, now, does it? No, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It costs for us to think harder, act wiser, and

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<v Speaker 1>care deeper, and for the planets and each other. The

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<v Speaker 1>future is not foretold, it's forged, and it's ours to

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<v Speaker 1>shape our with reason, compassion and courage. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>have courage, if you have courage, If you have courage. Though,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have courage? Are you brave? I'm courage right,