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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Studio A here at Proven Winters,

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<v Speaker 1>Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified radio

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and YouTube show with Stacy Hervilla, me Rick Weist,

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<v Speaker 1>and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, let's

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<v Speaker 1>dig in and get to work. Somewhat controversial, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you could argue it's controversial subject today. Native ours a

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<v Speaker 1>native r is a cultivar a cultivated variety of a

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<v Speaker 1>native plant species, meaning it's a plant that's been bred

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<v Speaker 1>or selected by humans for specific traits while still originating

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<v Speaker 1>from a plant species naturally found in a particular region.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a mouthful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good definition, though. That's the basics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the basics exactly. And I think what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here is native cultivars or native VARs. And

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<v Speaker 1>I like native ours because I believe it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>these situations where you can have your cake and eat

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<v Speaker 1>it too. There's a lot of interest in and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of benefit from native plants, but native ours provide

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous benefit in the landscape, and of course are beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>because they have been bred for various characteristics that enhance

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<v Speaker 1>their beauty in our landscape. That's kind of how I

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<v Speaker 1>look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, I think it's important to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>that native it's not that native ours exist because native

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<v Speaker 2>plants aren't beautiful. We all know that we have so

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<v Speaker 2>many beautiful native plants. We just talked about a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of them on our spring ephemeral show, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>any ride through anywhere in the US at the right

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<v Speaker 2>time will be absolutely breadsaking because we do have such

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible diversity of beautiful native plants. But the thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that native ours are selected or developed for having

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<v Speaker 2>more of what people like, so color, more flowers. It

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<v Speaker 2>can mean a whole lot of different things, but the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom line is that I feel like it's a hard

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<v Speaker 2>sell to get your average person who's maybe not really

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<v Speaker 2>that much of a gardener, to say, oh, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>grow this native hydrangea with really minimal flowers. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>getting you know, some people will, and good good for them,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's hard to get you know, the average person

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<v Speaker 2>really excited about that. And what native ours do, I

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<v Speaker 2>think is help people to see make that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>transition from plants that are just straight up ornamental and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from somewhere else to native plants. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a little bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. It's the word I like to use is derivative. Derivative.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the plant is a derivative, that's tough to say.

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<v Speaker 1>But I got it a derivative that time. I got

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<v Speaker 1>it of a native plant. That's open to maybe some controversy,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some subjective criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh definitely. There are some strong opinions about native

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<v Speaker 2>oars exactly that you do not have to go very

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<v Speaker 2>far to find. If you want to find out, just

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<v Speaker 2>google nativar and tell us what you find.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, my opinion on it is, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a beautiful native plant, and I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>Echinationia as an example, So if you have a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>plant like echination, which I love in the landscape, if

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<v Speaker 1>plant breeders are able to take that native plant and

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<v Speaker 1>provide better color or longer bloom or more disease resistance

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<v Speaker 1>in essence, in my opinion, it does help pollinators because

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<v Speaker 1>the plant is longer, blooming, tougher, healthier, And it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to dig into in sug for with

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<v Speaker 1>our friend Mike Connor, the b expert and get his

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<v Speaker 1>take on this also, so that we cover all the

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<v Speaker 1>bases today.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>even the people who are very disapproving of native of

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<v Speaker 2>ours can't deny is that when it comes right down

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<v Speaker 2>to the garden center where people are actually buying plants,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to get people to start planting native

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<v Speaker 2>plants that don't look good at the garden center. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's not going to happen. I mean, it might

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<v Speaker 2>happen for you if you're super passionate about native plants,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can tell you that unless a garden center

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<v Speaker 2>is specifically specializing in native plants, garden centers cannot risk

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<v Speaker 2>having a bunch of plants that don't look amazing and

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<v Speaker 2>don't fly off the shelf. The season is too short,

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<v Speaker 2>the margins are too thin. And what native ours do again,

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of form that bridge between something that can

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<v Speaker 2>look great in a container at the garden center, so

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<v Speaker 2>people will actually want to buy it and still have

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<v Speaker 2>that fit to our native wildlife. So it might not

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<v Speaker 2>be the absolute most perfect choice, but it is a

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<v Speaker 2>better choice than something that's not native at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I agree in that garden center concept you're preaching

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<v Speaker 1>to the choir, but that's true. Take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>a plant like Manarda or bee balm and the improved.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I remember back in the seventies when I

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<v Speaker 1>was selling perennial plants. By the time we got to June,

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<v Speaker 1>they were so loaded with powdery, mildew and disease there

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing left in the pot. Yeah, today's cultivars amazing

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<v Speaker 1>and still do a great job for pollinators. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite a topic. And of course some of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>perennial native ours are Panicum obviously, switchgrass, Manarda, summarific high Biscus.

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<v Speaker 2>Well right, and of course don't forget the decadence Baptisia yep,

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<v Speaker 2>big favorite over.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, Tuscan sun Helio and yes, like you said, Baptizia

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<v Speaker 1>and Amsonia or storm cloud blue star. I love Amazonia

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<v Speaker 1>so just beautiful. Also the agastakis. And then when we

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<v Speaker 1>get into the shrubs, and I'm sure you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do this in segment two, Stacey, but boy, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a long list that I enjoy. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to say that some of my favorite native

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<v Speaker 1>ours are the smooth hydranges that have come out over

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<v Speaker 1>the past few years. But right there at the top

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<v Speaker 1>also lemonine lace elderberry, which is just starting to leaf

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<v Speaker 1>out in my landscape now, and kodiak orange tervilla.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm really glad that you brought up the

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<v Speaker 2>smooth hydrangs because smooth Hydrangea is also known as Annabel

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<v Speaker 2>type hydrangas, would not be in our gardens, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think at all if it weren't for Annabel in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place. And Annabelle it's unknown whether its origin is

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<v Speaker 2>human or natural. But if you see and I've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this before on the show many times, if you

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<v Speaker 2>see hydrange arborescens, a species of hydrangea in the wild,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd walk right by it. You wouldn't even identify it

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<v Speaker 2>as a hydrangea. But many, many years ago, someone found

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<v Speaker 2>a mophead smooth hydrangea, brought it to Anna, Illinois, planted

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<v Speaker 2>it along the horse path there, and people started seeing

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<v Speaker 2>it and saying, oh, can I have a piece of that?

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<v Speaker 2>And that is what it took to start getting this

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<v Speaker 2>plant into our gardens. And now we can go way

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<v Speaker 2>into newer varieties like the invincibl series with pink and

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<v Speaker 2>purple and all of these different colors. And one might argue,

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<v Speaker 2>because these are mophead hydrangeas, which are going to obscure

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<v Speaker 2>the pollen and nectar bearing fertile florets, that they aren't

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<v Speaker 2>quite as beneficial. And that may be true, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>still better than planting something that has no wildlife benefit

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed, absolutely, And so you're doing it both for the

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of pollinators as well as your own personal benefit

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<v Speaker 1>within your landscape. And I look, for example, a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine just planted this incredible storm proof oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and to look at how the stems now are becoming stirdier.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just amazing. Legend of the fall bottle brush.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The list goes on and on. Gaspy oak leaf hydranges.

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<v Speaker 1>We enjoy these in our landscape, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>they provide benefit in many different ways. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's how I personally feel about native arts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think that again, it's all about

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<v Speaker 2>the availability, and it's all about we have to appeal

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<v Speaker 2>to the most people possible. And I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>so important that a lot of people who are very

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<v Speaker 2>puist about native plants will say, oh, well, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>native enough. But it's a step in the right direction,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are people are not going to usually. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's certainly exceptions out there, but generally speaking, people are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go from zero to sixty. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>garden at all to all of a sudden, I only

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<v Speaker 2>grow pure native species, right, It just doesn't work that way.

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<v Speaker 2>You need sort of that gateway at entry point, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's a smooth hydrangea, you know, maybe that is

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<v Speaker 2>lemony lace elderberry. And once someone starts to see and

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<v Speaker 2>experience those benefits of seeing the pollinators in the yard,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the birds, that's when that change begins to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is sort of how you start to go

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<v Speaker 1>That's really well said, and I appreciate you saying that

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<v Speaker 1>because I believe that the native ours help produce interest

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<v Speaker 1>and awareness of native plants also for the general public.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wrote you a native limb, a rick. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a plant adaptable, something unique yet practical, with

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<v Speaker 1>a lineage that's native and improved in ways innovative. Its

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<v Speaker 1>characteristics are unflappable, extraordinary. We raise the bar. This plant

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a star in my yard. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be pretty with a nature that is downright gritty.

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<v Speaker 1>I love my imperturbable native var.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a lot of fancy words in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that was a really good limerick. Coming up next,

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<v Speaker 1>Plants on Trial with Stacy. You're tuned into the Gardening

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are talking

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<v Speaker 2>about native ours. And as Rick said at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, if you haven't heard this word, or

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, are they saying native ar, we are saying nativvar.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a term that was coined, gosh, probably

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen or so years ago by people who are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of in the native plant movement, and it is a

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<v Speaker 2>contraction of the word native, of course, and cultivar, which

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<v Speaker 2>means cultivated variety, as Rick explained. And so we're yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're really just talking about plants that come from nature

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<v Speaker 2>but then have either been selected or developed. And the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between those, of course is selected. Is I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>walking along, I see a plant that's a little different.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, hey, that's a little bit different. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to take that and see if that is consistent or

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<v Speaker 2>develop saying like, hey, this plant has some great characteristics,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll bet if I work with it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more, I can get more great characteristics in it

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<v Speaker 2>to have something that is a bit different. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I said with native plant with a twist. And there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot there's a great deal of debate out

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<v Speaker 2>there on this subject, and you can probably already tell

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<v Speaker 2>this is not going to be one of those straightforward

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<v Speaker 2>plants on trial where I just give you one plan

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about it for ten minutes. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>have a method to the madness here, so please bear

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<v Speaker 2>with me. But there's a lot of people who are

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<v Speaker 2>very disparaging towards native ours, and we've already given you

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of reasons why we think that native ours

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<v Speaker 2>definitely have a place, and we're certainly not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>and are willing to take a risk, they're a harder

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<v Speaker 2>sell in the garden center, and native ours can start

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<v Speaker 2>to help to change that. And there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why I think that people are so disparaging towards

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<v Speaker 2>nativurs that I wanted to address in today's Plant on Trial,

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<v Speaker 2>And there's two main reasons. So when people say that

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<v Speaker 2>they're opposed to native ours, I think that what they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually saying is their objection to native ours is that

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<v Speaker 2>they were developed with humans in mind rather than wildlife.

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<v Speaker 2>And a native plant was never really developed, but it

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<v Speaker 2>evolved in conjunction with local wildlife so that there is

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<v Speaker 2>an ecosystem there where they're all mutually supporting each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And with native ours, whoever was selecting or developing them

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<v Speaker 2>had to say, like, hey, I think that this is

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<v Speaker 2>really going to appeal to people. If it happens to

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<v Speaker 2>appeal to insects or birds or whatever, bonus. But what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to do is to actually get it to

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<v Speaker 2>appeal to people. And they see that as inherently that

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<v Speaker 2>that you're trying to appeal to humans rather than animals.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that this argument ignores two basic facts

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<v Speaker 2>about native ours. Number one is that nature actually is

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<v Speaker 2>a hybridizer itself. Sure, so when a plant reproduces by seed,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to say that you've got one plant, pollen

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<v Speaker 2>from another plant comes to it through wind or through

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<v Speaker 2>an insect, a cross pollination has occurred, a transfer of

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<v Speaker 2>genetic material has occurred. So there's two different genes now,

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<v Speaker 2>and even though those plants are likely the same species,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have pollen from two distinct individuals, you introduce

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<v Speaker 2>the potential for genetic mutation. And this is nature's adaptation

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<v Speaker 2>for things that may happen down the line. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things have evolved simply because you know

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<v Speaker 2>nature maybe throughout some red pigments into say a panicum,

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<v Speaker 2>and that made them more resistant to sun as the

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<v Speaker 2>sun became you know, more intense or or whatever. There's

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<v Speaker 2>all of these different examples. So nature is itself a hybridizer.

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<v Speaker 2>And over time, native plants can live or thrive because

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<v Speaker 2>they're able to adapt to the environment. So a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this just happens naturally, like we like we theorize

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<v Speaker 2>happened with Annabel. So you can't take nature out of

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<v Speaker 2>the equation. Here and number two, there is I think

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<v Speaker 2>a prevailing assumption because the research has been so mixed

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<v Speaker 2>and come out over such a long period of time,

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<v Speaker 2>that all native ours are bad because they disadvantage pollinators.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not at all true. And we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>a bit about Echinesia in the first segment, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I want to kind of use that as the example,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that Echinaesia is really the plant that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of, you know, soiled the name of native ours

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great example, Stacey, and we should run with that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate what you said, because again for me,

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the garden center industry, we can be criticized

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<v Speaker 1>as far as native ours are concerned, because essentially we're

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<v Speaker 1>adding these characteristics and traits to make the plant look

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<v Speaker 1>nicer so we sell more of them at the garden center.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you got to make a living, wi La the

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<v Speaker 2>criticism exactly. So Echinaesia, you know, it started to become

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<v Speaker 2>really popular, and we have tons of native Echinaesia in

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<v Speaker 2>the US, and a great diversity of Akinesia, many of

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<v Speaker 2>which you can't easily even find on the market. But

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<v Speaker 2>probably about m'd say twenty five to thirty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>plant breeders started to introduce Echinasia with different color flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of the standard purply pink, white or yellow

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<v Speaker 2>that you find in nature, there was red, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was orange, and that all of these sort of fiery

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<v Speaker 2>sunset colors coming in, and that started to potentially fundamentally

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<v Speaker 2>change in sex attraction to them because obviously it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the same color. Insects don't see color the way that

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<v Speaker 2>we do. And then I think it was the double

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<v Speaker 2>Echinaesia that really changed things around because in the double Echinaesia,

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<v Speaker 2>that big cone in the center, which is what the

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<v Speaker 2>pollinators are all after, suddenly got transformed into petals, So

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<v Speaker 2>you got a big fluffy pedal thing in the center,

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<v Speaker 2>and now the insects can't find the pollen. And now

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<v Speaker 2>this Echinaia, which is still a native species, has become

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<v Speaker 2>a lot less beneficial to pollinate.

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<v Speaker 1>It something that's different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that is not the only thing that native

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<v Speaker 2>ours are developed for, not by a long shot. Flower

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<v Speaker 2>petal count. Flower color is only one factor that breeders

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<v Speaker 2>look for as they're developing nativevars. So size can be

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<v Speaker 2>a substantial one plant habit having a plant that has

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<v Speaker 2>a neater, tidier habit, then you're going to find out

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<v Speaker 2>in the wild, so people can actually use them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in their yard foliage color, which can also sometimes be

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<v Speaker 2>a problem if the plant is a larval host that

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<v Speaker 2>may or may not be beneficial. So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation has really gotten obscured, and there is just

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<v Speaker 2>this general assumption that all native ours disadvantaged pollinators without

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<v Speaker 2>really looking at what makes what really puts the var

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<v Speaker 2>in the native ar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, and for me, it is length of

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<v Speaker 1>bloom and disease resistance, and if you're able to apply

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<v Speaker 1>both of those, it becomes more beneficial to the pollinator.

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<v Speaker 1>And in addition, the end user or consumer uses less

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<v Speaker 1>of the I'm going to call them sides, pesticides, fungicides.

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<v Speaker 2>Or the plant just dies because it becomes so sickly

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, and then it's not doing anybody is

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<v Speaker 2>any good. But the thing is, I don't think this

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<v Speaker 2>is a bread alone situation. And again, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's very important that we realize that native

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<v Speaker 2>of ours can serve as a really really important first

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<v Speaker 2>step to getting more people interested in native plant gardening.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if I've talked about it on

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<v Speaker 2>the show before, but one of my personal pet peeves

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<v Speaker 2>about the native plant movement is they're trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>people to plant native and transform their yards without ever

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<v Speaker 2>making the case as to why we should support insects.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, people like Doug tellmey are doing an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>job of that, but I'll tell you it's a hard

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<v Speaker 2>sell to get people to care about insects.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I mean, yeah, you're talking about the general public.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the general public people. If you can't just say, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>plant this native plant, it's going to attract a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of insects, they'll be running the other way faster than

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<v Speaker 2>you can say native are So we really it's really

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<v Speaker 2>that we need, I think a pr campaign on the

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<v Speaker 2>value of insects before we can just get people to

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<v Speaker 2>immediately go full on. And I think that's where nativars

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<v Speaker 2>come in. You plant a native r you see that

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<v Speaker 2>it's sustaining native insects. You see them, you know, buzzing

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<v Speaker 2>and happy, and that makes you happy, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>start to say, well, actually, hey, attracting insects isn't that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not as bad as I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe I'm going to plant a few more. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's about those baby steps. Not everybody is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to just, you know, hear the message of

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<v Speaker 2>Doug Tellomy and people like him. It's a wonderful message,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're not immediately going to be converted and take

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<v Speaker 2>that step. They need to find their own path.

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<v Speaker 1>And my experience in my landscape has been when I

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<v Speaker 1>apply diversity, it takes a world of difference also in

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<v Speaker 1>attracting all the butterflies, bees, and various insects that I

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<v Speaker 1>have in my landscape. So not just sticking with one

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<v Speaker 1>or two varieties that's spa and.

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<v Speaker 2>A diversity of bloom times so that you have a

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<v Speaker 2>welcoming buffet from spring correct all the way into false.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's bring this back to plants on trial, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to just quickly talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 2>native ours in the PROFEMW. Wunner's color choice line and

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what makes them different. As we've already said,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a bunch of hydrange arborescens or smooth hydrange

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<v Speaker 2>as a lot of those arm p head that is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be less beneficial to insects. Some of them

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<v Speaker 2>are actually not. Some of them are lace cap like

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<v Speaker 2>in vincibille lace and those are great, But like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>most of ours are four size, so you've got low

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<v Speaker 2>scape snowfire errohnea. This is a newer one, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is about two to three times more flowers and subsequently

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<v Speaker 2>two to three times more fruit than the wild variety,

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<v Speaker 2>and so more flowers, more pollinators, more fruit or songbirds.

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<v Speaker 2>So that doesn't change anything about its support of wildlife.

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<v Speaker 2>Legend of the small bottle brush recently a plan on

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<v Speaker 2>trial about half the size of a conventional bottle brush.

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<v Speaker 2>So even if you have a tiny little condo with

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<v Speaker 2>place you have to plant, you could still have a

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<v Speaker 2>father gilla sugarshack button bush. Now, when people see the

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<v Speaker 2>flowers on button bush, they need to have one, they

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<v Speaker 2>need to have it's so amazing. They are these really

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<v Speaker 2>cool pincushiony like globes. But if you see button bush

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<v Speaker 2>growing around Grand Rapids, and you do it grows right

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<v Speaker 2>downtown Grand Rapids along the river there, you're kind of like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're pretty scraggly, big ten feet tall kind of

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<v Speaker 2>scraggly plants. Whereas sugar shack, it's all about the size

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<v Speaker 2>and the habit, so it's nice and around. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>five to six feet tall, so people can actually use

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<v Speaker 2>it in their yard. I mean, our winterbury hollies are

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<v Speaker 2>another great example of that same thing. Winterburry holly grows

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<v Speaker 2>wild everywhere around here, but they're huge, They're absolutely massive plants,

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<v Speaker 2>and our winter burry hollies have substantially smaller habits, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually again fit them into your yard. And

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<v Speaker 2>now here's an interesting one. Simply sensational sweet shrub or

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<v Speaker 2>kelly caanthus. I have one of these in my garden,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely love it. A lot of people, especially in the Southeast,

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<v Speaker 2>are familiar with sweet shrub, very very popular. They remember

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<v Speaker 2>their fragrance from their youth, such an incredible fragrance, but

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<v Speaker 2>not a consistent fragrance. The fragrance varies a lot from

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<v Speaker 2>plant to plant, and you'll see all sorts of experts

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this. Well, simply sensational was selected because it

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<v Speaker 2>is extremely fragrant, and by perpetuating that, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>the plant that you get is going to have that

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<v Speaker 2>fragrance that you want and do everything that you want

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<v Speaker 2>it to do. So you know, I really don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a reason that native of ours and

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<v Speaker 2>native plants and native plant purists can't coexist. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there is space for all of these things, and that

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<v Speaker 2>we all need to give each other grace and space

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of be on our own journey as we

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<v Speaker 2>find our way to not just being better gardeners, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being better stewards of our own yards and

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<v Speaker 2>the earth.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot for a little plants on trial. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna take a little break after that, and when

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<v Speaker 2>we come back, we'll be answering some garden questions. So

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<v Speaker 2>please stay tuned. At Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs, we

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<v Speaker 2>at your local garden center, or learn more at proven

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<v Speaker 2>Winner's Color Choice dot Com. Reading's gardening friends, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where it is our

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure to answer your gardening questions. And it is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>gardening question season. I know I've been hearing from gardeners

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place, and you know, you can always

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<v Speaker 2>those and see all of those, and if Adriana has

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<v Speaker 2>answer your question. But I know sometimes gardening questions are

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<v Speaker 2>very timely. I mean not to the point where you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>know in five minutes. We can't help you there.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I like that. That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it is the question that can wait, you

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<v Speaker 2>can always reach us at Proven Winners color Choice dot

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<v Speaker 2>about annuals or perennials, or houseplants or palladiums or any

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<v Speaker 2>of that other stuff. So we're always trying to help

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<v Speaker 2>you out. What do we got in the mailbag today.

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<v Speaker 1>Ginny writes to us, so enjoy your show each week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Ginny. I read where there are pros and cons

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<v Speaker 1>about putting coffee grounds in the garden soil. What are

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts? Also? Could you address what is good what

445
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<v Speaker 1>is not so good for the garden soil. I host

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<v Speaker 1>a group of gardeners in spring and fall. Would like

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<v Speaker 1>to share this with them. Thank you, and I boy Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>I use coffee grounds. I like them. I think they're organic.

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<v Speaker 1>I find the worms are busy in there. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think using it as a compost is key. Don't use

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<v Speaker 1>it as a molt.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, definitely. And you know, of course everybody knows you

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<v Speaker 2>can go to coffee shops and the usually got their

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<v Speaker 2>old grounds there waiting for you to go ahead and use.

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<v Speaker 2>But they don't really give you a lot more than

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<v Speaker 2>just saying like grounds for the garden. You're just like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but what do I do with the grounds for the garden?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but in this case, the ends justify the beans.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're going somewhere. Thank it took me a second.

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<v Speaker 2>But but great news, Jinny. I have an excellent resource

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<v Speaker 2>for you and your gardening group and we will post

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<v Speaker 2>it in the show notes at Gardening Simplifying on air

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. But Linda Chalker Scott, she is a professor

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<v Speaker 2>and extension agent out in Washington State where they know

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<v Speaker 2>a thing or two about coffee and she has an

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<v Speaker 2>excellent horticultural mythbusting sheet on coffee grounds in the garden.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also just search for Linda Chalker Scott coffee grounds.

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<v Speaker 2>It will come right up, and you know her verdict

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<v Speaker 2>is that they are overall good, but she definitely cannot

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<v Speaker 2>overdo it and you cannot really use them as a mulch.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to use them as a malch, make

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<v Speaker 2>sure it's a thin, thin layer. Coffee grounds can compas

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<v Speaker 2>very easily and that can make it difficult for the

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<v Speaker 2>water to get through. They can also kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>like turn like kind of krusty and gross looking. But

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<v Speaker 2>they are an excellent amendment to compost. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>compost by all means, take your coffee grounds add it

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<v Speaker 2>to the compost. And people think that coffee grounds tend

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<v Speaker 2>to make the soil acidic I'm sure I have heard

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<v Speaker 2>from many gardeners who have said something like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>put coffee grounds on my high ranges and they turn blue. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>coffee grounds are not necessarily acidic. The pH of the

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<v Speaker 2>coffee grounds themselves can vary a lot in Professor Chalker

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<v Speaker 2>Scott talks about this a bit in that fact sheet,

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<v Speaker 2>So you can't count on it as a reliable soil

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<v Speaker 2>acidifier or having any kind of predictable effect on the

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<v Speaker 2>pH at all. And it can actually inhibit some seed germination,

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<v Speaker 2>So not a great choice necessarily in vegetable garden. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're starting a lot of stuff by seed couple of

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<v Speaker 2>other species, it actually improved seed germination. So basically, coffee

491
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<v Speaker 2>is all over the place. It is a good organic amendment,

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not your coffee is organically grown. The coffee

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<v Speaker 2>grounds themselves are organic that came from a living thing,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's best to think about it as an organic

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<v Speaker 2>amendment to your compost or soil. But you want to

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<v Speaker 2>mix it in. You want to be sparing in how

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<v Speaker 2>you use it, unless you're adding it to your compost,

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<v Speaker 2>in which case layer it up, put it in there

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<v Speaker 2>and let it rot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it. I mean, there's a reason they

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<v Speaker 1>call them grounds, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to put them in the ground. Yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, or I think I think it's great to

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<v Speaker 1>use them. But you do have to bear in mind

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<v Speaker 1>that they are not a complete fertilized.

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<v Speaker 2>They are definitely not and they are not a cure all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of times people like to think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing is natural, and so it's going to do X,

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<v Speaker 2>Y and z. But we have talked about in the

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<v Speaker 2>past how there's so much misinformation out there. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times just because something feels like it should be

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<v Speaker 2>true does not mean that it is. Like the whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing about coffee grounds acidifying the soil, it doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>work that way.

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<v Speaker 1>So and you didn't like the ends justify the beans.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, not one of your better puns, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty good. I'm gonna give it a B minus.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh nice, try better luck next time.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the cream of the crop.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick, Okay, thank you. Moving on, let's take a look here.

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<v Speaker 1>Debbie is wondering. I just ordered a snowflake y Burnham.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in zone five B. Can I plant it?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to answer this question from Debbie and for

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<v Speaker 2>anyone else who is wondering, because at this time of year,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially in a season like we're having this particular

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<v Speaker 2>year here in Michigan and probably most of the Midwest,

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<v Speaker 2>people wonder if they can plant now. And the simple

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<v Speaker 2>fact is that since it is still quite cold here

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<v Speaker 2>in Michigan, if you have a plant that is actively growing,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm talking about like a shrub or a perennial

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<v Speaker 2>or a tree, not necessarily like pansies or things that

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<v Speaker 2>are intended for outdoor, you know, decoration like that, chances

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<v Speaker 2>are if it has foliage on it, that foliage is

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<v Speaker 2>not remotely ready to deal with the cold in your area,

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<v Speaker 2>because odds are.

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<v Speaker 1>It's coming out of a greenhouse or a covered structure.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the plant is outdoors, yes, and mimics what

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<v Speaker 1>the plants are doing within the landscape, go right ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and plant, then it's safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So you don't always know, but you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>a plant has been in a greenhouse and you're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's beautiful, I want to plant it. That foliage is

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<v Speaker 2>so tender, and if it gets even into the thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't even necessarily have to freeze, all of that

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<v Speaker 2>foliage is just going to turn brown. You'll feel really sad.

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<v Speaker 2>It probably won't kill the plant unless it's a super

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<v Speaker 2>severe frost or freeze, but she'll be sad, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be sad that you put all the money into that

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<v Speaker 2>plant and all the time and planting it, and now

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<v Speaker 2>it no longer looks beautiful. So you have to keep

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<v Speaker 2>a close eye on the weather. If you are shopping

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<v Speaker 2>at a garden center, be sure to ask them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they should be able to tell you how the plants

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<v Speaker 2>were kept, and that can help you determine whether you

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<v Speaker 2>plant them right then and there, what you got another

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<v Speaker 2>pun on a tip of your tongue.

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<v Speaker 1>There, I just was going to say, better latte than never.

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<v Speaker 1>Just keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm starting to be able to tell what

564
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<v Speaker 2>he's got one like the vibes shift and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a balloon blowing up until it bursts. So don't be

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to ask your garden center. And when in doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, buy it, enjoy it, and then just bring

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<v Speaker 2>it inside on nights that it's going to be super cold,

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<v Speaker 2>and then wait until pretty much the danger of frost

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<v Speaker 2>has passed. Unless you want to be running out there

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<v Speaker 2>every night if the frost or freeze threatens and covering

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<v Speaker 2>it with a blanket. So we have a question here

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<v Speaker 2>from Jennifer. She is in Texas and she says they've

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<v Speaker 2>recently had a lot of rain and it's causing the

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<v Speaker 2>branches of her white pillar rows of sharon to become floppy.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, they're nearly six feet tall, and I've never

577
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<v Speaker 2>pruned them. She says. I want to say, I heard

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<v Speaker 2>Stacy say to prune one third of this type of plant,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not sure how or why can someone confirm.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to address this because this is a

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<v Speaker 2>question that comes up relatively frequently for the pillar hibiscus

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<v Speaker 2>and the so pillar hibiscus are plants in the proven

583
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<v Speaker 2>win there's color choice line that naturally grow with a

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<v Speaker 2>really narrow columnar habit So instead of being a big,

585
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<v Speaker 2>you know, eight feet tall and wide Rosa sharon, these

586
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<v Speaker 2>grow very narrow, so like three to four feet and

587
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<v Speaker 2>then they get tall. But one of the things that

588
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<v Speaker 2>can happen with Rosa sharon, especially in warmer climates like Texas,

589
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<v Speaker 2>if they get a growth spurt, like they get a

590
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<v Speaker 2>lot of water, it's spring they're in full growth mode,

591
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<v Speaker 2>they may be fertilized. That can lead to floppy growth.

592
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<v Speaker 2>The growth comes out so fast that the plant doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have time to harden off its cells and turn them

594
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<v Speaker 2>into fully woody cells, and so they do flop over.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, usually that's just a situation of weather conditions,

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<v Speaker 2>but it can also happen if the branches start to

597
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<v Speaker 2>get heavy. So if this starts to happen to you,

598
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<v Speaker 2>I would recommend number one that you actually, instead of

599
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<v Speaker 2>cutting them back by a third, which you can do.

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<v Speaker 2>If you do that, try not to go for the

601
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<v Speaker 2>buzz cut. Look, make your cuts a little bit more

602
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 2>here and there, not just like one straight cut across

603
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<v Speaker 2>with the old hedge tremors. But you can also sort

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<v Speaker 2>of identify the main branches and then thin out the

605
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<v Speaker 2>side branches. And that's going to take a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>weight away from those branches and help them stand up.

607
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>And you can also use a combination of the two.

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<v Speaker 2>But Rosa Sharon, especially in a climate like Texas, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got nothing to worry about in terms of how much

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<v Speaker 2>you can remove. You can definitely cut these back fairly hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously you're using them for coverage you're not going to

612
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<v Speaker 2>cut them back to the ground, but in terms of

613
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<v Speaker 2>thinning them and trying to get those stems back up,

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<v Speaker 2>just a combination of reducing the height and reducing the

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<v Speaker 2>extra weight of those side branches should do the trick.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would definitely recommend if you are fertilizing and

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<v Speaker 2>or if you have a lawn service. A lot of

618
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<v Speaker 2>people don't realize that if they have a lawn service

619
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<v Speaker 2>and they're coming in and applying high nitrogen fertilizers to

620
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<v Speaker 2>maintain a lawn, that kind of actually impact plants that

621
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<v Speaker 2>are in the lawn or are surrounding the lawn and

622
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<v Speaker 2>pushing a lot of growth. So if you are fertilizing this,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely cut back. Let the plant have some time to

624
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<v Speaker 2>harden off those cells, which will happen naturally as the

625
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<v Speaker 2>season progresses. But yeah, springtime sometimes under ideal conditions, can

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<v Speaker 2>push a lot of growth like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you, don't cut it to the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>but be aggressive in my opinion, and I think you'll

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<v Speaker 1>derive benefit from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and rosa sharing can take it so especially you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes if you're in a hotter climate, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>just do a little more than we have to do

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<v Speaker 2>up here in Michigan where sometimes we're just hoping something

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<v Speaker 2>grows at all. Jennifer, now would be a perfect time

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<v Speaker 2>to do that in spring. You know, when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to this kind of pruning, you can prune it whenever

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<v Speaker 2>you need to. It doesn't really matter that much because

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<v Speaker 2>you're not you don't have to worry about the flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still gonna flower. It's still early enough in the season,

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<v Speaker 2>So I would go ahead and do that pruning now,

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<v Speaker 2>get it back to where you need it to be,

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<v Speaker 2>and you should be in good check by the time

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<v Speaker 2>it does flower for you, probably in a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks down the road. So we're gonna take a little break.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show today for branching

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<v Speaker 1>news and interview with our friend back by popular demand,

654
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<v Speaker 1>although he's a tree guy, so I'll say back by

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<v Speaker 1>poplar demand. Mike Connor a horticulturist, arborist and pollination expert.

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<v Speaker 1>Be expert, Mike. Always great to have you on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much for inviting me back. I never can

658
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.239
<v Speaker 3>get over the fact that you invite me to speak again.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you well.

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<v Speaker 1>We love to tap into your expertise, and it appears

661
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:09.639
<v Speaker 1>that our viewers and listeners also enjoy it asking us

662
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<v Speaker 1>to bring you back, and so here we are. We

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<v Speaker 1>knew we'd be talking about native ours today, so I

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<v Speaker 1>sent Mike b mail. Did you get that, Mikey? Yeah,

665
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 1>you bet? And Mike said that he would he would

666
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<v Speaker 1>come on the show. So Mike, I guess let me

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<v Speaker 1>ask just right off the top, in your opinion, being

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<v Speaker 1>the b expert you are, are native ours beneficial to pollinators?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? There are a few exceptions, but generally we can

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<v Speaker 3>say that native ours are more beneficial to pollinators as

671
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:54.400
<v Speaker 3>a group than the species, and that's because of extended

672
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 3>bloom time. That's because people are planting more of them.

673
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<v Speaker 3>In other words, it's if it's a pretty plant, you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to plant it and the bees will benefit. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I like most of the native ours that we have

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<v Speaker 3>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, tell us about those exceptions then, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is it's those couple of exceptions out

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<v Speaker 2>there that have really kind of, uh, you know, spoiled

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<v Speaker 2>the whole shebang for a lot of people. And they

681
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<v Speaker 2>just decide that they uniformly hate native ours and it's

682
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>wrong to plant them without really looking, you know, more

683
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.800
<v Speaker 2>critically and deeply at what actually is making any given

684
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>plant a native ar or different from the native species

685
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you'd find walking in the woods or the meadow or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, And that's really become not only a political issue,

687
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.960
<v Speaker 3>but I think for some people, almost to religious issues,

688
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<v Speaker 3>they have to have the plant that was here before

689
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 3>your opinions came to America or before you know, any

690
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 3>other group came to America. And so they've defined and

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<v Speaker 3>they say that at this particular time in history, this

692
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<v Speaker 3>is our base and we can't change anything from that base.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's one side of the group. And that would

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<v Speaker 3>be exemplified by famous authors and common proponents would be

695
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<v Speaker 3>Doug Tellumy for instance, with his great books. I've met Doug.

696
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<v Speaker 3>He's a very interesting guy. I think that he's strongly opinionated,

697
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<v Speaker 3>but he does bring up a few good points where

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<v Speaker 3>he says that we can develop a native ar that

699
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<v Speaker 3>becomes completely non attractive to our pollinators. One example would

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<v Speaker 3>be like the annabel hydrangea, which is a native ar.

701
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 3>It's an arborescuence hydrangea, but it's very, very philoriferous. But

702
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:43.840
<v Speaker 3>the flowers are not attractive, they're not fertile, they don't

703
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<v Speaker 3>have any nectar, so basically they become a pollinator desert.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's an exception. There are a lot of other

705
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<v Speaker 3>really positive things out there that we can talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>One other negative towards the native urs is that where

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<v Speaker 3>are we going to de find what's native? Is that

708
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<v Speaker 3>just your backyard? Is that the United States? Is that

709
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:10.159
<v Speaker 3>North America? How are we going to define these terms?

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<v Speaker 3>And so we move a plant in, which I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>you guys have experienced, to move a plant in from

712
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 3>another part of Michigan, somebody may protests and say, well,

713
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<v Speaker 3>that's not native to my area. On the other hand,

714
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 3>there are people who will say, well that is native

715
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 3>to Michigan, so it's something that I want in my garden.

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<v Speaker 3>So we develop native ours from these trees or I'm sorry,

717
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 3>trees that's all I think about, from these native plants,

718
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<v Speaker 3>and some people love them with some people hate them.

719
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<v Speaker 3>And I understand the controversy. It's really intense because we

720
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<v Speaker 3>could be diluting down genetic diversity. That's one argument. I

721
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<v Speaker 3>don't know that that's really really part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that we have to look at solutions, in

723
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<v Speaker 3>my mind, to a problem that is out there, which

724
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<v Speaker 3>is we lack the forage for our native bees and

725
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 3>for our honey bees, and anything we can do that

726
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<v Speaker 3>provides be forage fills in those gaps, fills in the

727
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<v Speaker 3>gaps where there is no b forage spring or later

728
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<v Speaker 3>in the fall. Whether that's a native ar or a

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<v Speaker 3>native plant, I really don't care as long as it's

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<v Speaker 3>being utilized by natives and honey bees.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I was thinking while you were talking,

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<v Speaker 2>both Rick and I, you know, living out here by

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<v Speaker 2>the lake shore, live in what would be if it

734
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<v Speaker 2>hadn't been developed a dune environment, and it would be

735
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<v Speaker 2>pretty much all dune grass, which is when pollinated and

736
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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily particularly value. It has its own ecological value,

737
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<v Speaker 2>of course, but as far as attracting pollinators and sustaining

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<v Speaker 2>insects and trying to help all of our native bees

739
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<v Speaker 2>and all of that. You know, if we were to

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<v Speaker 2>just let our landscapes be truly native as to what

741
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.280
<v Speaker 2>they are, we'd probably just have a lot of ticks

742
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<v Speaker 2>and not a lot of fun sex and it wouldn't

743
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<v Speaker 2>be that great.

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<v Speaker 3>Except a lot of kicks and spiders and not many pollinators.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye have, absolutely correct, because you know, nature is always changing.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the forest and the trees that we have

747
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<v Speaker 3>today are not the forests and the trees that our

748
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<v Speaker 3>grandfathers had. Our grandparents and the environment that our grandparents

749
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<v Speaker 3>had is not the environment that their grandparents had. Everything

750
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 3>is changing. Everything is on this continuum. Everything is going.

751
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<v Speaker 3>And you know, if we want to go back far enough,

752
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<v Speaker 3>we can say, well, you know, ten or twelve thousand

753
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<v Speaker 3>years ago, there was a mile of ice above us.

754
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<v Speaker 3>So you know, things have changed a lot in the

755
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<v Speaker 3>last ten or twelve thousand years. So I believe that

756
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<v Speaker 3>things are always changing. We're not in this period of

757
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<v Speaker 3>you know, what they call uniformitarianism, where nothing changes, everything

758
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<v Speaker 3>is as it was, because you know, with our own

759
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.280
<v Speaker 3>eyes we see that's not what's actually happening. So as

760
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<v Speaker 3>plants come in, as plants change, as the environment changes,

761
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<v Speaker 3>you know, the needs of our pollinators will change, the

762
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<v Speaker 3>needs of our insects will change. And in preparation for

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<v Speaker 3>this talk, and I reached out to a friend of mine,

764
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<v Speaker 3>doctor Daniel Potter. He's at the University of Kentucky, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to him and he said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote a paper about this, really, so he sent

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<v Speaker 3>me a copy of paper and he compared native milk

768
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<v Speaker 3>weeds with native our milk weeds. And after you read

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<v Speaker 3>his nineteen page paper, and you realize that there is

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<v Speaker 3>no real difference. And he said, in conclusion, if this

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<v Speaker 3>is what it takes to get milkweed out into the

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<v Speaker 3>environment in order to provide food for our butterflies and

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<v Speaker 3>our bees and our especially har monarch butterflies, it's very

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<v Speaker 3>important that we be promoting the use of native ours,

775
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<v Speaker 3>especially in urban gardens, because they're attracting our insects, they're

776
00:41:56.039 --> 00:42:01.280
<v Speaker 3>attracting our you know, our wildlfe. And it's not just

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<v Speaker 3>to see in milk weeds that he talks about. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you get talking to me, talk about

779
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<v Speaker 3>all these other native ours and culture bars that we

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<v Speaker 3>have in the environment.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that's interesting, especially with milkweed as

782
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<v Speaker 2>the example, because you know, so many of us were

783
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<v Speaker 2>conditioned in this way that like weeds in the yard

784
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>aren't bad. Milk weed is a weed, and you know,

785
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 2>people may be unwilling to let our you know, native

786
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<v Speaker 2>a sleepy ast Zoriacus grow wild in their yard thinking

787
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 2>of it as a weed, but they might be perfectly

788
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>happy to go to the garden center and buy, you know,

789
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.679
<v Speaker 2>a selection of milkweed and feel like that's good enough,

790
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and then that will start to again affect that change

791
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 2>where they're like, oh, wow, maybe I will let some

792
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 2>of those milkweed grow and see what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yep, I totally agree with that. It's kind of

794
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 3>a gateway for people to start planting plants that are

795
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 3>more effective for our butterflies and our pollinators.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Mike, as a b expert and expert on pollination,

797
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 1>can you share a few native ours that are favorites

798
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of yours if someone were to add them to their landscape.

799
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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's really a good question, you know, And you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna ask me for a specific variemety here, Rick, And

801
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, I really really like the Agaskatchi. Some of

802
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.199
<v Speaker 3>those native ours are absolutely astounding in the way that

803
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.400
<v Speaker 3>they are attracting pollinators. They send your bloom times. One

804
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.239
<v Speaker 3>of my favorites in the milkweeds would be the Cinderella.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, so that's an esclipias incarnat a swamp

806
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 2>milk weed. Bit more pink flowers, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Very yeah, very pretty. Another one that I really like

808
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<v Speaker 3>is one called gay butterflies.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, basically, any of these milkweeds that are

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00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 3>out there that are native ours are gorgeous. You know.

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00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 3>I like those things that once you plan them, you

813
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.760
<v Speaker 3>don't have to go back and read plant the next

814
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 3>year or spend the money to plant it again next year.

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<v Speaker 3>But milk are generally pretty good, and as you said,

816
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people used to regard them as weeds.

817
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:10.679
<v Speaker 3>But nothing is passion going among people more than two things.

818
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<v Speaker 3>One is monarch butterflies and the other is pollinators. Would

819
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<v Speaker 3>be saved the bees, it would be, you know what's

820
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 3>going on with you know, the honey bees, pollinators that

821
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.880
<v Speaker 3>are in our country, and that stirs passion in people.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think number one would be monarch butterflies.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye, people used to think of milkweed, Yes, Mike, you're correct,

824
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<v Speaker 1>as weeds something to dispose yourself of. As a matter

825
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.880
<v Speaker 1>of fact, that all changed during World War Two with

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Boris Berkman and the collection of seed pods to

827
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<v Speaker 1>save the lives of aviators and sailors during World War

828
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 1>two to pack life vests, and slowly but surely the

829
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<v Speaker 1>whole public perception of milkweed changed, along with, of course

830
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<v Speaker 1>the benefit to pollinators and stacy to ask you if

831
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<v Speaker 1>you're keeping score at home, So essentially you're talking here

832
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<v Speaker 1>about Esclepias tuberosa.

833
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Tuberosa is the pink and the yellower orange one, yeah, yep.

834
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.679
<v Speaker 2>But our regular native milkweed is Sclepias siriaka.

835
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 1>For folks who want to buy one at.

836
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Y yeahbosa is usually that is a native one, and

837
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.320
<v Speaker 2>it grows wild around here abundantly. But it is usually

838
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.599
<v Speaker 2>those orange or yellow ones that you see the most stuff.

839
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.639
<v Speaker 2>And but the one that Mike mentioned, Cinderella, is increasingly

840
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 2>a you're increasingly able to find that, and its companion

841
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.440
<v Speaker 2>plant is ice ballet, which is a white flowered.

842
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Fantastic version of that, and even ice bellet, by the way,

843
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 3>it's just an astounding display of flowers. Yeah, they're really great.

844
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 2>And the thing about Asclepias milkweed is it is not

845
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.039
<v Speaker 2>a plant that likes the nursery environment. So it is

846
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 2>definitely one of those plants that people need to maybe

847
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>take a little bit of a leap of faith when

848
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 2>they see it at the garden center and go, mmm,

849
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that's worth the money. It's what's going

850
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.400
<v Speaker 2>on below the soil that counts. But asleepist they have

851
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.199
<v Speaker 2>a tap root. They don't really love the nursery environment,

852
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>but they're so important.

853
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 3>They they do, and sometimes they're hard to transplant. This experience,

854
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.079
<v Speaker 3>I've grown some from seed and you can grow them

855
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:23.519
<v Speaker 3>in a pod and then when you go to plant

856
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.400
<v Speaker 3>them all sometimes they're going no, I don't think so,

857
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:26.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna die wrong.

858
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>But I've had that experience too, you know my experience

859
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>in the landscape. Also you mentioned Agastaki. There's a cultivar

860
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>called meant to be or royal raspberry. Some people refer

861
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 1>to the plant as hissop, but talk about a pollinator, hummingbird,

862
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:53.920
<v Speaker 1>be butterfly, magnet. In the landscape, I have some planted

863
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 1>near miss Molly, but that beautiful in the combination of

864
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the two. They are co did on a July or

865
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>August day in butterflies, bees, sphinx moths. It's it's amazing

866
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:07.880
<v Speaker 1>to watch.

867
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you're absolutely right, that's one of my favorites. You

868
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.639
<v Speaker 3>mentioned two of my favorites right there. Rick, Thank you.

869
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Now, Mike, I want to ask you, and we were

870
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.519
<v Speaker 2>talking about this a little bit earlier in the show.

871
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think there's a lot of publicity out

872
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.639
<v Speaker 2>there and a lot of people trying to convince everyone

873
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 2>to plant natives and it's good for the environment. But

874
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, honestly, what I think really needs to happen

875
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.320
<v Speaker 2>is I think that insects need a little bit of

876
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.920
<v Speaker 2>a pr campaign because I think that it's a really

877
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 2>hard sell. I think people are willing to grow different

878
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.239
<v Speaker 2>things and try to make their yards, you know, more

879
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.039
<v Speaker 2>eco friendly or whatever that means, but it's hard I

880
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:53.519
<v Speaker 2>think to convince people that attracting insects is a good thing. Now,

881
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 2>you're a bee guy, you know, what do you what's

882
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:01.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of your message When people are fearful and reluctant

883
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.079
<v Speaker 2>because they just they're just so conditioned to think of

884
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.559
<v Speaker 2>insects as bad and dirty and harmful and gross, and

885
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.559
<v Speaker 2>they don't want them around, I know.

886
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:14.679
<v Speaker 3>And that's that's really too bad, because our insect population

887
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.400
<v Speaker 3>as a whole has decreased to cost America for a

888
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 3>lot of different reasons. They used to do windshield surveys

889
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.480
<v Speaker 3>literally where how many bug splats were they're on the windshield,

890
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 3>and that has decreased over the last few years, and

891
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.440
<v Speaker 3>so the insect populations have dropped. I mean, the one

892
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 3>single most important plant you can put in for insects

893
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.840
<v Speaker 3>in general is an oak tree. It's not any good

894
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.840
<v Speaker 3>for our pollinators as such, but it's great for all

895
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.679
<v Speaker 3>the other birds and for the environment. It's a real

896
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 3>keystone species. But if we're looking at at other plants

897
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:54.119
<v Speaker 3>that we can put out there for insects, then I'm

898
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.639
<v Speaker 3>thinking of things that draw a lot of pollinators because

899
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:03.000
<v Speaker 3>they're getting from those milkley to good example, because you're

900
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 3>feeding the monarch butterfly, and you're providing nectar for insects

901
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 3>other than the monarch plus the monarch. And how do

902
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:16.320
<v Speaker 3>we get around this idea of ooh insects. I just

903
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.119
<v Speaker 3>responded to an email yesterday about this where a gentleman

904
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.440
<v Speaker 3>is definitely afraid of bees, and he's defining the bees,

905
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:26.440
<v Speaker 3>and you know what, they weren't bees at all. They

906
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:30.079
<v Speaker 3>were yellow jackets coming out of the ground attacking him

907
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.920
<v Speaker 3>in the summertime. And we have this mistaken idea that

908
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 3>all insects are bad. But the vast majority of native

909
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.960
<v Speaker 3>bees will never sting you. They can't sting you, they

910
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 3>don't want to sting you. And it's kind of a

911
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 3>public perception. People like the idea. They get a one

912
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 3>twuzy one. They talk about, well, we're going to plant

913
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.239
<v Speaker 3>for pollinators, and I think, oh good, you know, that's great,

914
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 3>But they like to have their flowers up high so

915
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.519
<v Speaker 3>that they don't have to see them or encounter the

916
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:03.880
<v Speaker 3>insects there. I don't know if I'm answering your question

917
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 3>or not.

918
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just, you know, I think that that is sort

919
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 2>of an you know, you mentioned Doug Tallamy, and I

920
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 2>think that he has done a lovely job of making

921
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the case for why insects are merit conservation and how

922
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.199
<v Speaker 2>much everything else, you know, depends on them. But I

923
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:22.760
<v Speaker 2>still think, you know, the people who need to hear

924
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 2>that message are not reading Douglas. Tellmy they're the people

925
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:27.559
<v Speaker 2>who are in the garden center may have heard a

926
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.840
<v Speaker 2>few things about native plants and think, yeah, you know,

927
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested, but like they don't know what to buy

928
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 2>because they don't know why they're doing it, and you know,

929
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.400
<v Speaker 2>saying like oh, this is going to attract a ton

930
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 2>of insects. It's a selling point for me personally in

931
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.320
<v Speaker 2>the garden, but it's not a selling point for the

932
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 2>average person. So you know, it's and of course I

933
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>don't expect you to have a great answer. If you do, wonderful,

934
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.400
<v Speaker 2>but you know how I feel like that is the

935
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>hard work to be done here is, you know, helping

936
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.039
<v Speaker 2>people understand how important it is to have insects in

937
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the garden. And you know, we were talking earlier in

938
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 2>the show too about how a native ar can help people,

939
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, have a plant in the garden and start

940
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 2>to attract those insects and go, oh, well, you know what,

941
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 2>maybe this wasn't so bad. You know, this actually isn't

942
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.800
<v Speaker 2>that scary. I was afraid I was going to have

943
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 2>some sort of you know, like horror movie level swarm

944
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.480
<v Speaker 2>in my backyard, and it's like, actually, you know what,

945
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:29.719
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of lovely but yeah, I mean that's

946
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:31.559
<v Speaker 2>a challenge, and I'm sure it's a challenge you deal

947
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:32.639
<v Speaker 2>with in your work as well.

948
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.519
<v Speaker 3>It is, and I'm sure Rick has covered the advantage

949
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:38.639
<v Speaker 3>of some of the native arts in regard to the

950
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.480
<v Speaker 3>application of chemicals because so many of the native ours

951
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 3>are disease resistant, so we have less spray that has

952
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:49.239
<v Speaker 3>to go on them. And I'll tell you, as an arborist,

953
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:51.360
<v Speaker 3>when I put in my arborist hat, I'll get a

954
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.119
<v Speaker 3>call from someone who will say, oh, I have all

955
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.880
<v Speaker 3>these bugs. You know, wrong terminology, but will say, have

956
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.519
<v Speaker 3>all of these bugs in my oak tree to spray?

957
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.480
<v Speaker 3>And I'll say, you know what, unless they're spongy moth,

958
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to We're not going to treat them.

959
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:09.039
<v Speaker 3>We're going to leave them. And most people are okay

960
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:13.119
<v Speaker 3>once you educate them on the benefits of insects and

961
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.559
<v Speaker 3>their oak tree. The disadvantage that I've run into is

962
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:19.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of companies will go up to someone and say, oh,

963
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.239
<v Speaker 3>you have bugs, I will spray, and while I'm here,

964
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 3>I will spray your garden, and I will also spray

965
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 3>your shrubs. You know, I will kill all the insects

966
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.760
<v Speaker 3>in your yard and I'm going to charge you a

967
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:31.880
<v Speaker 3>lot of money and you feel good about it, but

968
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.360
<v Speaker 3>you've destroyed that whole ecosystem. So we need to take

969
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.360
<v Speaker 3>a balanced approach as we look at insects in the

970
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:42.119
<v Speaker 3>environment and say, first of all, identify it. Secondly, is

971
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.760
<v Speaker 3>it harmful to me? Or is it harmful to my

972
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.960
<v Speaker 3>tree or shrub or landscape. You know, there is this

973
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.000
<v Speaker 3>point of diminishing returns where we can have a few

974
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 3>insects in that land spe We can have a few

975
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.119
<v Speaker 3>that are surviving. A few gypsy moths or spongy maths

976
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.719
<v Speaker 3>are not a problem because they sure as a host

977
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.440
<v Speaker 3>for the the parasitoids to the're feeding on them for

978
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.679
<v Speaker 3>the next generation. So we can allow a few. Let's

979
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 3>let me get out of control problem. So I do

980
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.400
<v Speaker 3>try to educate people. Let's not kill all the insects

981
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 3>in the environment. Let's try to keep some of them alive,

982
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:18.920
<v Speaker 3>and let's try to keep some of those host plants

983
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:20.079
<v Speaker 3>to support them alive.

984
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:24.119
<v Speaker 1>It's all about becoming more and more bugweiser. There, Mike,

985
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and I think a marketing campaign is afoot. I like

986
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the idea. I think back to years ago with Smoky

987
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the Bear and only you can prevent forest fires. Let's

988
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.960
<v Speaker 1>do something for insects, you know, if you had a

989
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:43.199
<v Speaker 1>cute little bee flies into the flower, you know, says honey,

990
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm home, you know, or something like that. I think

991
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 1>I have the idea.

992
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.239
<v Speaker 2>All right, you've got the groundwork already. Late there.

993
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 1>We're going to work on it.

994
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how your brain works. Rick, that's amazing.

995
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:54.559
<v Speaker 1>It's scary.

996
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Mike.

997
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Always a pleasure to talk to you, my friend. Thank

998
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.199
<v Speaker 1>you for everything you do. Thanks for checking out with

999
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.000
<v Speaker 1>us today on this topic of native of ours and

1000
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 1>happy springing to you.

1001
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, Yeah, take care.

1002
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much, Mike.

1003
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Well that was great, and honestly, I can't wait till

1004
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the insects are back in my garden. It's still kind

1005
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.559
<v Speaker 2>of cool, so not many yet, but I'm ready for them.

1006
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:20.559
<v Speaker 2>As soon as they come back, we'll welcome them with

1007
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.599
<v Speaker 2>gentle but open arms. So thanks so much to Mike

1008
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Connor from Honeytree Nursery. Thank you, Rick, thank you, thank you, Adriana,

1009
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 2>and thanks so much to all of you. We hope

1010
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:31.599
<v Speaker 2>you have a wonderful week ahead.