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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks, your

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source of information and analysis to help you win your

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fantasy hockey league.

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Speaker 2: Block off hot a, step hit on, Staylock.

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Speaker 1: Here's your hosts, Jesse Severe and Victor Nuno.

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey lie back once again to talk fantasy hockey.

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Jesse Severe from Fantracks, Victor Nunyo of EP Ringside. Victor,

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how you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Jesse. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Man. I went to

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a concert this week and it was an outdoor concert

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and it was right on the Milwaukee lake front, and

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I did not realize that there was going to be

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a storm rolling through, so there was lightning and everything,

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and the whole concert got delayed while I was under

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what appeared to be a massive shed out along Lake Michigan,

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and the thing got to laid a long time, Victor,

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and after two hours my wife had said, I said, no,

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we're going home, Which I call that an old man

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rain out, because if it's on a weeknight and the

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concert's not going to start until ten o'clock, Victory, that

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just doesn't work for me. Man.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I have one hundred percent and with you. I'm

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the only reason I'm out that late. I have a

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little aura ring, one of these little heart rate monitor

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those kinds of things tracks you're sleep and all that,

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and it reminds me take it up and move if

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you're sitting too long, which is hilarious when it does

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that when you're on the plane. But it does things

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like that, reminds you when bad time is, and so

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I love it when it reminds me, like, oh, it's

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sign thirty, you should get ready for bad those kinds

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of things, which I usually do. The only reason I'm

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out later than that is if I am playing hockey.

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Other than that, I'm I would be right there with you.

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This is too late, I'm going home. No way I'm

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staying for that late of a show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's the way I roll. The

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other way that I would recommend you all rolling is

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if there's just not enough time in your night to

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do anything else except something that's going to be on

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your computer, hop on the Fantasy Hockey Life discord, because

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there is conversation there. It probably goes past my bedtime.

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In fact, I'm pretty sure it does. But that doesn't

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mean that you can't participate whichever hour you prefer to,

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because there's people talking fantasy hockey all the time there.

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You can get into it free by hitting us up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so much more good stuff. If you want to

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Speaker 2: Very well, let's come right back after this and preview

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the Golden Knights. We'd like to welcome back to the show.

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Ma's been here for a couple of years now, talking

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Vegas Golden Knights. Chris Golic of locked on Vegas Golden Knights.

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How you doing, Chris.

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Speaker 4: Good enjoying of this one hundred and ten degree heat

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in Vegas? Otherwise life is good.

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Speaker 2: Oh man. You'll get us all back when it's moderate

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in the middle of the winter and it's twenty blows

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here right here, fair enough, but yeah, stay inside until

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it's safe to come out and watch some Vegas Golden

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Night's hockey. Here's what we could say about last year, Chris.

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They started the Vegas gold that night started eleven to

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zero to one, but they ended up with the Western

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Conference's eight seed. They bowed out after seven games versus

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a team that was only one point from a President's Trophy.

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So that's a tough draw, man, that's a tough draw.

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It certainly wasn't what I'm sure Vegas followers were hoping

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for after being the defending Cup champs, but hockey's tough man,

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and this year, having many dare I say most of

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their prominent Vets miss at least sometime with injuries was

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too much for them to keep overcoming. They did in

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their Stanley Cup run. But you can't cheat it forever

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that I'm saying, they're cheating. You know what I'm saying here, right?

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They played one hundred and four games in their Cup

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winning year. That counted, and twenty three counted a whole

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lot out of that. You know, sometimes in life, Chris

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I faced a challenging situation and I decide to do

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what I need to do today and make my problems

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tomorrow Tomorrow Jesse's problems. And that's what Vegas does a

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lot does. They make things tomorrow's Vegas Golden Knights problems.

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They've been doing it since they're outset. They haven't let

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up yet. They keep putting this team together. The question

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is the Jinga Tower, that is the Vegas roster and

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thing going forward? Are they going to retool and be

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successful again this year and be a force in the NHL?

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Speaker 4: Listen, reality is that the Golden Knights watched approximately eighty

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five or ninety goals last season walk away, largely in

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part from Jonathan Marcisso and Chandler Stevenson. You got people

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at chip in like Amadio and stuff like that. They're gone.

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They're not coming back. Another one hundred or so assist

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also gone from the six or seven or eight players,

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however many it was that left via free agency. So

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incomes Alexander Holtzen Victor Olifson has saved the day. The hope,

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obviously is youngsters have and Brennan Bresson can immediately, especially

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Pavel Doorfie. I can Emily chip in at a high

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pace in his young career for sure.

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Speaker 2: This team starts with Jack Eichel, and last year a

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knee injury cost Eikle almost two months. Nonetheless, he had

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over a point per game pace both before and after

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the injury and was likely on pace to lead the

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team in goals above replacement. He takes a heroic four

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point five shots per game at over an eleven percent

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shooting rates. That's some good stuff. That back surgery feels

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like a pretty good idea right now. By the way, Buffalo,

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sorry for you, guys. Ikeel isn't great at faceoffs, okay,

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but Otherwise, he fits the bill of an absolute top

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line center. Still, the knee continued his record of not

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staying healthy for a whole season in each of the

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four years since COVID. Boy, if Iichael had a fully

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healthy year, what would he be able to achieve? And

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what are you looking for next year?

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Speaker 4: If Ichael could put up eighty eight games, you're looking

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at a player that could possibly flirt with one hundred points.

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Definitely get into that ninety point range. Health certainly has

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been an issue, like you said, sixty seven games in

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the Stanley Cup season, and then obviously his COVID. After

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COVID and everything with the surgeries and all of that.

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shots a game, the shooting percentage and everything. He's just

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a dynamite passer as well, And obviously points are an

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important part of what your business is, guys. So with

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Jonathan march is leaving his right wing, now who's going

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to take that spot? And obviously whoever takes that spot

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is hopefully going to become a thirty plus goal scorer. Otherwise,

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it's going to be tough to see Eigel regardless of

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how many games he plays to get to that ninety

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Speaker 2: Next up Mark Stone again a guy with injury issues personally,

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I think the long term injury reserved thing that people

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make such a deal out of a seriously overplayed Stone

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posted his typical point per game with just under a

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hit in just under three shots per game. I don't

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know that you can call a guy injury prone for

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rupturing his spleen, which is what Mark Stone did last year.

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he's thirty one years old last year. He plays a

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physical game for sure, and while the advanced thatts didn't

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love his defense this year as much as they typically do,

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he still has that history of down ballot selky votes.

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Is Stone a guy again very physical getting into his thirties,

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taking a lot of hits on that body over the years.

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Is he a guy who's going to be able to

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get healthy for a season and return that near point

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per game type value for the team And would he

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be skating with Jack Geigel if he got back there.

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Speaker 4: I've been very high on Mark Stone coming into this season.

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up Stone didn't look great last season let's be clear

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about this. There was a lot of pockets where Stone

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looked very stiff out there. But right before the Spleen injury,

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I was commenting, I think they were playing the Nashville

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Preds that game. Stone was just looking so good out

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there in his skating and it was just like a

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lead by example type thing. He was winning a lot

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of races to the puck. His backcheck inside the offensive

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zone was just absolutely amazing to watch and creating scoring chances.

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I'm high on RMC. I'm high on Stone this year.

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I'm going with he's going to get about seventy five

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games this season. He's going to have an absolute I

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don't know if you call it like a comeback situation

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because it's weird, but seventy five games for Stone, I

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can see him getting at a point per game. Basis

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him and Jack Eichel on the same line. That's interesting.

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It's something that's talked about, but now you're looking at

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a top line of Eichel, who's obviously a very good skater,

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Mark Stone, not known for his skating ability, and Ivan Barbershev,

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who would be on the left wing potentially again someone

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not known for the skating so can their experience if

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that is the top line make up for their lack

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of speed, for lack of a better.

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Speaker 3: Term, that'll be interesting to follow in The other guy.

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Next guy, we're going to talk about Tomash Hurtle. He

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came over from San Jose and year three of an

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eight year contract eight point one three seven five million contracts.

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The Sharks retained seventeen percent, making a little bit more palatable.

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He seems like you fit in pretty nicely at the

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end of the season. Four points in seven regular season

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games and the playoffs. Not super productive, but he had

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a different role there. Seems like the two C role

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is there for Hurdle and you probably should get some

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power play time on ice. Overall, his impacts have been

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pretty decent. I'm we're still not exactly sure how those

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knees are going to hold up, which have been a

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bit of an issue for him. And as ya as

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I mentioned, three or five more years of this contract

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is is a long time. So what do you think

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we can expect from Hurdle next season in terms of

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roll and point pase.

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Speaker 4: It's a good question. I think Hurdle's biggest contribution will

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be on the power play. Dude, just wins every single

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face off, number one, number two, his net front presence.

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Cassidy has begged someone for the last two seasons to

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basically go and sit in front of the net, whether

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it's right on top of the goalie or kind of

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in that like medium slot area between the hash marks.

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He's been begging for that type of player. Hurdle is

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that type of player. We're now seeing a transition in

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the ANHL where it's basically one power play unit for

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all the teams. They're staying out there for ninety seconds

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or even the full two minutes, so you don't need

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necessarily to have a second power play unit. The gold

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Knights would certainly load up with a Mark Stone and

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a Jack Eichel and a Hurdle and a Noah Hannafin

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and whoever else minds up on that top power play line.

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As far as hurdles five on five play, that's I

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think where my concern is. You mentioned the knees. How

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much does Hurdle have left? Is you what thirty thirty

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thirty two? What is he thirty years old? Right now?

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You mentioned the contract. We're talking a player who topped

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out at seventy four points in the eighteen nineteen season,

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and then he seems like he's more in about that

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sixty point range. Biggest concern outside of health for Hurdle

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is Bruce Cassidy, and I say that because they've meant

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they've messed with Hurdle playing on the wing for a

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little bit. They might want to have William Carlson, who

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was a thirty thirty player last year, go up to

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that two C role. What happens to Nicholas Wile, who's

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a natural center? So will the Golden Knights be able

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to find the right place? Logically, yes, twoc is where

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Tomach Hurtle should slot in, But there are so many

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questions for the Golden Knights coming into this camp. We

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mentioned all the players that have left the team. Where's

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everyone going to fit in? And are they going to

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continue to maybe try the square peg round hole situation

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in getting Hurdle to play the wing, which I don't

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think would be optimal.

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Speaker 2: William Carlson wild Bill, I will admit I'm lazy. Chris,

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I still in the back of my mind, I can't

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get away from that impression of a guy who went

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on that shooting percentage bender and put up forty three

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goals all these years ago. I think I need to

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get over that because he is shown again by that

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thirty thirty season last year in seventy games, what an excellent,

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sustained player he is. He led by a whole lot

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by the way the team and goals of a replacement.

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Despite replacing his longtime line mate Riley Smiths and John

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Marshiso with a long line of less prominent and fluctuating

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wingers throughout the season, it really was a revolving door.

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Carlson is one of the best in contrast to Iicle

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in the league at faceoffs and is still running strong

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as he turns thirty two this year. Is Carlson going

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to be the two CED this year and what are

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your expectations for him, including the scoring.

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Speaker 4: I like Carlson in the three C role because it

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creates a matchup situation for the other teams. You guys

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know this. The third line is one of the most

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challenging lines for any National Hockey League coach to first

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of all, find consistency from a scoring perspective and consistency

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from just having the same players in that spot. Carlson,

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I think was largely in the three C role for

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pretty much the entire season. Maybe some injuries might have

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changed that a little bit every now and then. So

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Carlson as the third line center, and like you said,

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a thirty thirty player, and that's something you're not going

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to see a whole lot of. And look at his wingers,

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Mike Amadio, Peveldor Fiev, Paul Cotter. At times, King Cole

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Sar went up to that spot. Nicholas Waugh, I think

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slid in so a revolving door of players. If the

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Golden Knights can get like an Alex Holtz or a

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Victor Olifson to comfortably slot into that role and then

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a Peveldorfiev on the other side, you're looking at something

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that could be very dangerous and very difficult for teams

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to match up against. Right when the third line's out there,

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you're not thinking of having your best defenders out there.

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If you got William Carlson putting up sixty points, you

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got to think twice about how you deploy the defensive

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pairings for the opposition, which obviously could help the top

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lines for the gold Knights as well.

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Speaker 2: We like to do a little catch all, little points.

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Pick come here and I'm going to give you three guys,

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three guys that mostly I think we've talked about all

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three of them at least name checked them. Nick waf

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Nick Royd twenty seven years old. He had forty one

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points in seventy games last year, Yvon Barbashev had forty

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five and eighty two. And Dorofiev only played forty seven

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games last year, had twenty four points in those. But

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he's a little bit younger twenty three. How do you

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like these three coming into next year?

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Speaker 4: Doro Fiev, I think is the one that stands out

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to me because he is a natural scorer. I think

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his career line is pretty close to a point in

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every other game, and again someone who really hasn't caught

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on to a particular identity with the team. Sometimes he's

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on that third line, sometimes the second line, sometimes the

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top line. Now with obviously Chandler Stevenson and Jonathan Marchisso

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and Micael Madio all gone, those are players obviously in

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the top nine, there should be a good opportunity for

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Dorofeev Dislotten. Is there a world that exists where Dorofiev

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is on the left wing with Jack eicheld then the

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right wing. You might have Mark Stone, that would be

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a very interesting line. So very high on Dorofeev. I

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would look to him if he can get a full

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season's worth of games, at least play seventy games. I

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think you're looking at someone who forty five to fifty points.

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I don't think it's that big of a stretch. You

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mentioned Barbashev quietly forty five points. That was I believe

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his second highest as far as a career total goals.

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It was a very quiet season for him. There was

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a couple stretches a good hockey bud just early on

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that top line was not clicking with marchisso Keel and Barbashev.

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And then you said nick Wah. I believe the only

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issue with Nick Wah is the Golden Knight's strength down

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the middle. There are not too many teams in the

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National Hockey League where Nick Wah is the fourth line center.

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And we mentioned a little while ago about coach Cassiy

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trying to find different places for Nick Wah in the lineup,

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possibly on the wing. At times he struggled as a winger.

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But if nick Wah can develop that, the goal Knights

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can drop like a Brett Howden down to that fourth

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line center role, and Nick Wak could go as high

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as top line wing with Jack Eigel. He has that

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good of an ability to score if he can develop

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the proper way to play the wing. In the National

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Hockey League.

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Speaker 3: We mentioned briefly a couple of these young guys. I

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just wanted to ask and see if Brennan Bersson or

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Alex Holtz have any likelihood of making the team and

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having a significant impact here.

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Speaker 4: I would say yes to both. I would start with

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Holtz just basically based on his time of service in

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the National Hockey League and he's right around one hundred

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l NHL games. And Holts had a very good season

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in a very strange situation with the New Jersey Devils.

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Basically fourth line role, energy type stuff. But what sixteen goals,

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twelve assists? If I'm not mistaken last season, If the

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gold Knights can find a way to if Holts can

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earn his way it's higher up in the lineup, then yeah,

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we could see maybe a thirty five forty point player

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in Alex Holtz. And who knows, is there a world

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that exists where he gets top six You never know.

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That's the beauty about this Golden Knights team. There are

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so many unknowns. This is the most interesting camp outside

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of the first season for the Golden Knights. And then

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you said Brendan bosson Braisson, you can see his game

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is developing the more he played in the National Hockey

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League last season. It just he just seemed a little

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more comfortable gets himself into a scoring area eight points

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fifteen games. But again, the opportunity is there if Brisson

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can somehow sneak into that top power play unit. He's

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got a great one timer from the circle. Saw him

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as close to a point per game player in the

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American League, so he certainly has a lot of the

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measurables you would like to see for a young player

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looking to go up. But to answer the question just

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quickly for you Holts, yes, I do see him making

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the roster out of camp, no questions asked. Brennan Bresson

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is the one who will have to earn it. Coach

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Cassidy is very big on, in his words, players earning

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their stripes.

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Speaker 2: Let's move over to the blue line. There are a

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couple of big names here for the Golden Knights. Let's

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start with Shae Theodore. His upper body injury this year

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took him out nearly three months in the middle of

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the season, a rough blow for the team. He still

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scored close to a point per game pace on heavy

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minutes and is extremely solid while on the ice. Across

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the board, his contract is also one of the most

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team friendly. I would say a veteran high level defenseman

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only five point two AAV. What are you expecting of

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Shae Theodore and hopefully a full healthy season this year?

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Speaker 4: Like you said, a full healthy season. So Shae Theodore,

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we can do a whole segment on this, but I'll

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try to keep it quick. Before Noah Hannafin's arrival, I

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think it was twenty or twenty two games, Shay Theodore

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was right at a point per game, maybe even a

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tiny bit higher. After Noah Hannafin, Shaye Theodore's points per

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game pace dropped to about seventy percent. Why number one,

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Noah Hanffin took his place on the top power play units,

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took his place on as far as the extra attacker.

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In all these roles that Shae Theodore had, Shae Theodore

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is coming into this season. If even winds up, Shae

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Theodore is the biggest trade bait right now for the

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Golden Knights. We'll see if Shae Theatore even starts the

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season as a Vegas gold Knight. But if he does,

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I'm very high on Shae Theatore coming in with a

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major chip on his shoulder. Me and Tony talked about

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this unlockdown of BGK I believe on Thursday or this

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last week's show. I'm not sure when this is there.

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But point being, is Theodore coming into what year six

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of his contract? I forgot what the number was. All

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of a sudden, he's got something to prove. And we're

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talking a player who easily can be a point per

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game contributor in the National Hockey League. We're talking someone

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who could score seventy points, which gets you in the outside,

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the outside looking in of that Norris consideration. At that point,

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that's the ceiling of Shae Theodore. Now, reality of Shae

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Theodore for the last two seasons, like you said, he's

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played one hundred and two regular season games of a

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possible one hundred and sixty four regular season games. Whether

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these are fluke injuries, muscle injuries, it doesn't matter. The

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reality is he has missed over a third of the

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games in the last two seasons. If Shae Theadre can

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stay healthy, it's going to be so much fun. I

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think watching him try and basically earn back his old

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role in the top power play and just basically from

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misfit to castaway. That's what you're seeing with Shaye Theodore

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right now.

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Speaker 2: One of the ways that Vegas decided to push their

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problems onto future Vegas guy was by going all in

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for a deadline acquisition on Noah Hanafin last year. In

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the offseason, they doubled down eight year deal to keep

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Hanafin in Black and Gold in to his thirties. I

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tend to think that Theodore as more of the score.

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You said that didn't actually how that wasn't exactly how

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it played out last year when he came to the team.

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I tend to think of Hannafin as a veteran establish minute,

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munching defensive asset, does the block shots and hits, has

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a little bit of an offensive role. But Calgary flipped

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him as a rental. But now he looks to be

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a critical piece of Vegas's defense going forward. Indefinitely, What

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is Hanafan going to be doing in Vegas this year?

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And how do you and do you expect he's going

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to fulfill the expectations this team is placed on him.

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Speaker 4: You're seeing a lot of local media very high on

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Hannafin for what he's going to do. I'm high on

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him as a defenseman. I'm high on him as a

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great skater. I don't know if there's a player that

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transitions better from forward to backwards and getting the full

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speed in two strides. It is absolutely amazing washing Hannafin

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skate out there. Talking about Hannafin from a scoring perspective, now,

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forty eight points, that's his career high. Even in the

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COVID adjusted season he only put up fifteen points, So

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we're not talking a player that has even gotten even

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hit the fifty points threshold in his entire career. If

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he's going to be playing on that top power play unit,

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he better get fifty points number one. That's very important.

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Very curious to see how Noah Hannafin gets paired next season.

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Coach Cassidy loved having the two vets Petraangelo and Hanfon

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on that top on that top defensive pairing. You rolled

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him out there twenty five, twenty six, twenty eight minutes

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a game. It felt like really curious to see if

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you see like a petriangel in Theodore get paired up

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leaving I don't know, like a Hannafin and a McNab

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or a Hanafin and Hague had some very good chemistry

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as well.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Alex Petrangelo. He's the other of I would

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say the three most prominent defenseman on this team. He

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had his appendix removed close to the playoffs, talk about

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freak injuries coming to get a team that really threw

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off his last month of the regular season, and when

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he came back in the playoffs, he was on the

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ice a lot, but he only managed one assist in

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that seven game series loss. He actually came out as

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a moderate negative and expected goals allowed last year a

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little bit of a defensive liability if you look at

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the advanced stats, far from those top years when he

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served as a Norris candidate. Perennially, was last year a

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blip with a poorly time freak injury or are we

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seen maybe starting to have the signs of decline from

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the thirty four year old Petrangelo And what do you

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foresee for this year?

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Speaker 4: Like you said, we got a thirty four year old

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with between regular season and playoff games pushing around eleven

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one hundred and fifty eleven hundred and sixty National Hockey

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League games and for probably of the last I don't know,

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last ten years of his fourteen year career, a player

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who's easily averaging twenty minutes or greater time on ice

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00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:47,519
per game. So it's a lot of errands tear a

477
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,359
great leader, great locker room guy. Again, like Mark Stone right,

478
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,039
you're just not seeing the great skating ability for obviously

479
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,079
a defense from that could cost some issues. There were

480
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:01,359
a good chunk of moments last season where pitch ra

481
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,640
Angelo was absolutely just beaten by someone younger, a little

482
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,039
bit smaller, a little bit quicker turnstyling pitch ra Angelo

483
00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:10,599
a little bit. From a fantasy perspective, I'm not going

484
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,240
to see a lot of points. I don't know where

485
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,400
he would slot in most fantasy lineups. But as far

486
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,880
as the player, you're talking someone who has a ton

487
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,480
of experience going to play the game, going to make

488
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,799
sure that his teammates are good to go, going to

489
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:27,359
help the young players. Great player from that regard, as

490
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,799
far as living up to that, what is the what's

491
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:31,720
that AV right now? As far as living up to

492
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:34,640
that eight point eight million AAV as a thirty four

493
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:36,440
year old, that's not going to happen anymore.

494
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: One more defenseman I want to get your take on,

495
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,160
and that is the young Lucas Cormier. So he has

496
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,279
been in the AHL the last couple of seasons. Had

497
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,440
a pretty good first season thirty five points in sixty

498
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,799
two games. This past season twenty and fifty eight, had

499
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:53,960
a couple of coffee with the Golden Knights. It seems

500
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,400
like he's probably back in Henderson, but do you think

501
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,839
he could earn a role on Vegas and potentially even

502
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some power play time.

503
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:03,799
Speaker 4: We were joking in a press conference last year with

504
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,119
coach Cassidy. Kayden Korazak was the team's ninth defenseman as

505
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,680
they broke camp and wound up playing in overtime in

506
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,240
a regular season game like game number twelve or thirteen

507
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,400
or something like that, And someone asked coach Cassidy about that,

508
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,640
and cassiaid, oh, it's because I'm crazy or something like that.

509
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,000
The reason why I bring that up is there's gonna

510
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,240
be injuries things happen with Vegas Golden Knights defenseman where

511
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,839
they got to go pretty deep. It's happened the last

512
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,480
couple of seasons. Right now, very safe bet that you'll

513
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,839
see more than a cup of coffee with Luke Cormier.

514
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,359
Basically right now, Cayden Korzak would be the team's seventh defenseman.

515
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,440
I think Cormier would slid in as far as the

516
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,240
team's eighth defenseman role going to be injuries, could be

517
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,519
a trade if the gold Knights are going to address

518
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:50,480
their lack of depth at the wing position. Right now,

519
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:54,200
their trade pieces are defenseman right now, you're talking Shaye Theodor,

520
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:58,119
Zach Whitecloud, Nick Haig, Brayden McNabb. If one of those

521
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,039
players is shipped between now and the regulars and now

522
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:02,720
in the start of the regular season, which I think

523
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:07,039
there's a reasonable possibility that could happen. If that happens,

524
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,559
all as everyone goes up on one spot. So far,

525
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,440
maybe an over under right now as things sit for

526
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,920
the Golden Knights, I'll put Cormier around twenty two to

527
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,079
twenty four games.

528
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: Oh I like that.

529
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a pretty decent opportunity for him. All right,

530
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,119
let's move on to the goalies. So the Golden Knights

531
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last season, where ranked Pentton expected goals against for sixty

532
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,720
at five y five conceded the thirteenth ranked actual goals,

533
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,799
so that's not too out of line with what was expected.

534
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Logan Thompson is out, Akira Shmed and Ilia Samsonov are in.

535
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,200
Cap Wise, He'll makes the most by far one more

536
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,880
season at four point nine million, sam Sonoff next at

537
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,799
one point eight and Shmid has two more years at

538
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,640
league minimum. He'll obviously has a track record the Cup win.

539
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,480
I imagine it's Hill's net with sam Sonoff as the

540
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,440
backup one bee. If he falters, they probably won't hesitate

541
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,599
to go to Smid though, who is waivers eligible for

542
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:59,039
seventeen games this year. I would imagine that would be

543
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,599
the case. And how do you see this plan out

544
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,480
Christ and do you think it can be they can

545
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:06,960
be similarly effective in terms of their value with wins

546
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:07,759
in this season?

547
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 4: Aiden Hill, your issue is reliability. Aiden Hill to this

548
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,799
point in his career has never appeared in greater than

549
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,200
thirty five regular season games. That's your starting goalie with

550
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,880
a four point nine million dollars bag. That's a concern

551
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,480
right now. The plus side of that Prior to last season,

552
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,319
Aiden Hill never appeared in greater than twenty seven regular

553
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,519
season games, So maybe he is on that upward trajectory

554
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,960
as far as getting his body right and doing whatever

555
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,440
it is he needs to do to become a goalie

556
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,319
who can play about fifty games. That's I think really

557
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:40,680
where that would be a great number for Aiden Hill

558
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,920
and obviously should be a successful season if Aiden can

559
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,799
get to fifty games. Samson Off, that's that's the question

560
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,079
mark right now. The positive about samson Off is he's

561
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:54,640
played forty or greater regular season games over I believe,

562
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,559
the last three seasons, so he should be able to

563
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:01,559
stay healthy. He's going to get opportunities. Now, every BGK

564
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,480
goalie gets opportunities because it's just something weird always happens

565
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,519
with the net in Vegas. It's been like that basically

566
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,279
since season number one. And then A cures me that

567
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:12,359
the gold Knights obviously they're going to try and chew

568
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,400
that waiverclock as long as they can. But a big

569
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,960
concern last year and I was very critical of how

570
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,599
the team, in my opinion, mismanaged the goalies on many occasions.

571
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:24,119
The gold Knights did not want to go to Euri Peterra.

572
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:25,880
It seemed like there was a lot of faith in

573
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Uri Paterra, who was the club's third goalie coming into

574
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,279
last season. There was a lot of faith from Kelly McCrimmon,

575
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,960
but that led to just six appearances, and I felt

576
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,240
the times Aiden Hill and Logan Thompson were both overused.

577
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,559
Something I love to point out. Logan Thompson never received

578
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:48,440
consecutive regular season starts when Aiden Hill was healthy. Aiden

579
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,079
Hill had to falter so terribly in the end of

580
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,960
the regular season the club had no choice but to

581
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,960
give Logan Thompson the net to start the playoffs. Logan

582
00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,119
was very solid for four games and it still wasn't

583
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,599
enough to keep him in the That where am I

584
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,119
going with us? The Golden Knights and Sean Berke love

585
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,720
Aiden Hill and they're going to find a way to

586
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,240
get him out there as long as he's healthy.

587
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: All right, This has been great stuff, Chris. How should

588
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,400
our listeners keep up with the Vegas Golden Knights and

589
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,599
your work all year long?

590
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,519
Speaker 4: Certainly the Lockdown Vegas Golden Knights podcast we record daily.

591
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,519
I also write a little bit for Inside the Rank

592
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,240
more or less when the season's going and then if

593
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,960
you want to follow me in the hockey collectibles world,

594
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,839
I'm the collectibles content manager for the Hockey News and

595
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,079
I'm putting up stuff there pretty often about sports cards

596
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:34,759
and hockey memorabilia and stuff like that.

597
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: Awesome, thanks so much for coming on and talking nights

598
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:39,680
with us. Chris, have a great.

599
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:56,079
Speaker 5: Day and that's good. Fired past my goodness, long quick grab.

600
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Speaker 2: Now it's your Wingley goalie talk. But Kat Silverman, Kat's instincts.

601
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Speaker 3: Time once again for Kat's instincts. With Kat's Silverman and

602
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,000
ng gold mag we're talking Golden Knights goalies. And this

603
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,279
is interesting. I was at the sphere when they traded

604
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,079
Logan Thompson while he was signing autographs for the fans there.

605
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:19,920
That was awkward.

606
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,039
Speaker 2: And one of the.

607
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: Goalies they got back, that's Akira Shmed and he has

608
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:28,400
seen some NHL action, but also he hasn't seen that much.

609
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,920
And so we're gonna talk about him in this system

610
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,599
because I really want to get your take on him.

611
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,880
His metrics out evolving hockey were not great. It was weird.

612
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,359
At even strength, he had really low expected save percentage

613
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,559
and he was not able to do too much with that.

614
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,359
But at the penalty kill. He actually had incredible coverage

615
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,839
and he did really poorly, So I'm not really sure

616
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,319
what to make of that. Hill and Simpson off seem

617
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,359
clearly ahead of smed right now, and so he'll probably

618
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,640
be in the AHL. We've seen forty plus games of

619
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,920
him and likely I'm not sure that we'll talk about

620
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,200
it again here, but last season you talked about how

621
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,599
he could be a one B and how he has

622
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,240
good speed, control, pus, a strong mental game. We have

623
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,200
seen stints of him do well in the NHL, but

624
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,720
I'm not sure what's going to happen. Maybe Samsonov struggles

625
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,599
and they give Shmid a chance, But what do you

626
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,720
think his upside is long term? And certainly here in Vegas.

627
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,599
Speaker 6: I think Vegas is such a fascinating team because that

628
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,880
really is a team where anyone could be their next starter.

629
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,519
I think Aiden Hill has yet, at any point in

630
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:36,480
his career to give me the confidence that he is

631
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,680
a long term NHL starter. Samsonov has obviously not given

632
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,839
any of us the confidence in him to be a

633
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,519
long term NHL starter. So both of them are one

634
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,279
bad stretch away from looking like the second or third

635
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,400
best goal tender. In the system instead of the top.

636
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,039
So Akiri Shmat is really good to have in the

637
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,480
system because he is someone who has, like you said,

638
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,359
forty games of NHL experience. We've seen him play some

639
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,160
really good precise hockey before where he has really good

640
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,960
movement control, he has good tracking, seems like he's got

641
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,640
really good speed on his feet, doesn't spend a whole

642
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,160
lot of time on his knees, tracks the puck, did

643
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,119
a good job with rebound control at times, and then

644
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,440
there were other times where it looked like he was

645
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,000
watching a different game from the rest of us, which

646
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,200
almost seemed like the thing that we saw from a

647
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,960
number of New Jersey goaltenders. So I wasn't entirely sure

648
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,799
how much of that was him and how much was

649
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,839
the team. So he's got experience, he's clearly got the

650
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:48,240
raw talent, and why not with either Hilly Samson off

651
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,960
who both have pretty extensive injury history when it comes

652
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,200
to little tweaks here and there, and Hill has some

653
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:03,839
I would argue Simson does too, some major skill regression

654
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:08,840
history where we see not just one bad game, but five, six, seven,

655
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,800
ten bad games in a row. A Kirish meds a

656
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,480
guy that you have in your system, who you know

657
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:15,880
you can call up for.

658
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: Half the season if you need.

659
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,679
Speaker 6: To, and he's going to be able to play consistent

660
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,320
NHL hockey, and that prevents them from rushing anyone else

661
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,400
in their system because they don't have any They don't

662
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,039
have any clear cut, seasoned veteran starters with consistent numberers,

663
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,599
which is a really interesting place for a recent Stanley

664
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,039
Cup champion to be. I like him being in their system.

665
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:43,639
Like you said, I think this is probably the last

666
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,519
time we're going to talk about him, because he's I

667
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:48,400
would be shocked if he doesn't play a chunk of

668
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,320
NHL games this year, which would bump him out of

669
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,400
contention for being a prospect at that point. I just

670
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,239
don't know where he's going to be at any given

671
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,519
point during the year. And I think he could play

672
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:01,639
two NHL games, he could play forty NHL games.

673
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: We'll see. Yeah, that's a wide range of outcomes, so

674
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,719
we will see. I have really liked a curious meat

675
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,519
at times, but then we, like you said, we've also

676
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,440
seen an inconsistent play from him. So hopefully you can

677
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:16,199
put it all together. Let's talk about the next guy.

678
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,400
Carl Linbaum twenty twenty one, seventh round pick, six pounds.

679
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,840
He's been in the Juw gardens IF system and he

680
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,960
was loan to Fargest Dad BK this past season and

681
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,960
it went really well. He will be in North America

682
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,679
next season for the Henderson Silver Knights. And last year

683
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,039
you mentioned he had the best long term out look.

684
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:36,840
I'm not sure if that's still true with Shmida in

685
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,239
the system. But sometimes his safe selection leads to some

686
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,119
easy goals, which is the problem. He has the really

687
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:46,079
strong upward trajectory of his hockey prospecting, but that's because

688
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,599
he started at zero because he didn't have any equivalency

689
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,800
in his draft season based on where he played, which

690
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,000
was primarily at the J twenty level. So he's up

691
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,159
to forty two percent. He's got a bunch of really

692
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,039
good comps. Michael Newver that's Atascola, took a rask some

693
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,719
comps there for him. So what do your instincts tell

694
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,719
us now about Carl Linbaum?

695
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,639
Speaker 6: Like three of my favorite goaltenders to compare people to.

696
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,280
I love that he's an interesting one because that's, like

697
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,880
I said, that's a really weird team with a lot

698
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,280
of guys who I don't necessarily look at and think think, God,

699
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,360
they're here. I don't know how many games he'll play

700
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:31,400
at the AHL level, just because, like you said, they

701
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,039
have a kirishmead who potentially could spend some time a

702
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:39,039
chunk of time at the NHL level. We have seen

703
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,239
chunks where Ilias Amsonov has had to get conditioning stints

704
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,719
at the AHL level because of injuries, which is always

705
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,599
really fun. Lindbaum said, he's a fun goaltender to watch

706
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,800
because he is fast, He's got good reflexes, he's got

707
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,159
good instincts. I would love to see what happens when

708
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,800
you put him out on North American ice does a

709
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,480
week and see what he looks like. He is not

710
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:11,639
the only goaltender in his family, which is really fascinating.

711
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,599
I cannot imagine being the parent of two goalies. But

712
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:20,840
his brother, Olof Linbaum, is a former New York Rangers prospect,

713
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,199
so hopefully he'll do a little better than his brother did.

714
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,079
I know that Olofflnbaum had a little bit of trouble

715
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,159
making the transition to North America and seeing consistent reads,

716
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,840
so hopefully that won't be the case with his younger brother.

717
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,960
But I do think that we're going to see a

718
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,480
lot of movement within the Golden Knights system when it

719
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:49,880
comes to goaltenders in their depth chart over the year.

720
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,079
I don't think that anyone has a permanent guaranteed spot

721
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,079
at any level, So it'll be fun to see how

722
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:57,760
many games he gets. It'll be fun to see how

723
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,360
he plays. I think any position in their depth chart

724
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,599
is up for grabs right now, and hopefully he does

725
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:06,960
really well.

726
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:08,679
Speaker 3: All right, we're going to go for a third one

727
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,039
on this system because it's so interesting. As we said, so,

728
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:16,280
Isaiah Saville is the last one. Twenty nineteen, fifth front pick, six,

729
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,079
one hundred and ninety six pounds. He catches right. For

730
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:22,320
those of you scoring at home, he seems like he

731
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,800
might be trending down with his most recent HL production

732
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,559
only twenty two games and much worse than previous Previously,

733
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,800
he did have AHL games the past couple seasons, although

734
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,159
mostly last season was in the ECHL. Last year you

735
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:36,960
talked about how he didn't have the best technique, but

736
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,199
he's a great athlete and his trajectory was linear upwards.

737
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,880
Not sure if that's still the case. Why don't you

738
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,280
tell us what your instincts tell us about Isaiasaville.

739
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 6: I think that Isaiah Saville is unfortunately the victim of

740
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,159
a system with too many cooks, which I think is

741
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,800
because they didn't really have any guaranteed confidence in the

742
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,039
health of any of their goaltend over the last couple

743
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:05,320
of years. Because taking a quick glance at the Henderson

744
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,480
Silver Knights games played last year, he played the second

745
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,840
most games of any coltender on that team because they

746
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,960
had won two or three for they had five different

747
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,679
guys play games. Yuri Petera played twenty five, Seville played

748
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:23,039
twenty two, Jasper Vicman, who's another prospect, played nineteen, Jordan

749
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:28,039
Papimi played nine, and then Mike Boullion played two, another Anchorage,

750
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,760
Alaska native, which I love that they had two of

751
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,480
those on the Henderson Silver Knights. He looks fine in

752
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:38,119
the games I watch. He's been someone who I've always

753
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,239
been enjoyed watching because he his technique was a little raw,

754
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,719
but it seemed like anything they threw at him, he

755
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,239
was like, cool, I'll go for it. And his game

756
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,679
seems to get marginally better each time I watched. His

757
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,079
tracking improved year every year. His skating improved year every year.

758
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:56,039
His positioning seemed like it was cleaning up. It seems

759
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:57,960
like it stalled out a little bit last year, So

760
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:03,440
he could end up being like a madvil Alta or oh,

761
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,639
try to think of as Spencer Martin, someone who maybe

762
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:08,719
a Mikey Dpia tro if he never ends up quite

763
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,599
hitting the NHL, someone who is able to play at

764
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:16,079
the AHL level well, but without taking those necessary steps

765
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:19,480
forward to hit the NHL. And they just keep adding

766
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,320
more guys to their system. So I don't know how

767
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,840
much faith the team has in him, whether I think

768
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,719
he looks good or not. They keep bringing in more goaltenders.

769
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,719
It's like their words, they treat goaltenders like Americans treated

770
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,000
toilet paper at the start of the COVID pandemic. And

771
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:38,679
it's a really bizarre strategy for a team that has

772
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,599
quality goaltending prospects. But we'll see how it goes. I

773
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:47,159
think if he doesn't clearly stand out this year and

774
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,719
move to their top prospect, we do have to consider

775
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,199
the possibility that he won't get a real shot at

776
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,920
the NHL unmost he moves to another team, because I

777
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,760
think they've seen enough from him that he should be

778
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,559
taking that necessary step forward this year. But once again,

779
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,719
I have no idea what they're doing. They just keep

780
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,159
adding more goalies, they keep giving as many starts as

781
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,360
they can to as many different people. It's almost like

782
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,559
what the Philadelphia Flyers have done in the past, and

783
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:20,599
I think it creates a little bit of uncertainty, even

784
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,039
from goaltenders that in Siri, we'd love to say look

785
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:27,000
like clear cut promising prospects.

786
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:32,039
Speaker 3: Awesome, thanks for giving me instincts on the Golden Knight goalies.

787
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:49,639
Speaker 2: Dig the dynasty gig n addition, the Vegas Golden Knights

788
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:53,880
were the eighteenth ranked team according to Victor Nunil's rankings,

789
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,760
and we're gonna start talking about them with the no brainer.

790
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,800
Who is a Victor.

791
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,079
Speaker 3: We already mentioned him because he's that interesting. That's Lucas Cormier.

792
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,760
He's a twenty twenty sixty eighth overall pick five one

793
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,960
and seventy six pound left handed d This was his

794
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,039
second professional season. Last season with Henderson, as I mentioned above,

795
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,400
thirty five points in sixty two games. This season twenty

796
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,119
and fifty eight not as exciting.

797
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,119
Speaker 2: He did get one.

798
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: Assist in two NHL games. Looking at some of his

799
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,760
underlying Some of his bash really high in the AHL

800
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,400
for shots ninetieth percentile. His hits and blocks are closer

801
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,119
to average, but with the high shots that should mean

802
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,199
that he's about seventieth percentile for bash, which is pretty nice.

803
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,559
His goals and assists more average than the AHL, which

804
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,280
is expected after you transition from junior. Well, in all

805
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,800
that part doesn't look too bad. Some of his other

806
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,119
play driving underlying metrics look pretty terrible in the AHL. Unfortunately,

807
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,199
He's got a lot of power play time. But other

808
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,599
than that, his play driving, transition game and getting the

809
00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:00,360
pucks to high anger zones is not very exciting, unfortunately.

810
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:02,480
But maybe we can get a little bit more context

811
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,519
for what's going on with him from our FHL scout.

812
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: Our FHL scout is punite, and here's what he says.

813
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,840
For skating. Possesses strong skating abilities and elite to edgework

814
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,920
passing and handling. Cormier is a good distributor of the

815
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,760
puck in the offensive zone, works on the blue line

816
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,239
very well, strong on the power play, shooting elite willingness

817
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,119
to jump into the play has fueled his offensive numbers.

818
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,280
IQ Frequently executing controlled zone exits and entries by utilizing

819
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,360
his excellent acceleration, speed and agility to swiftly navigate through

820
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,159
the neutral zone for checking. Although Cormier is a strong

821
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:48,440
offensive defenceman, he has at times displayed strong two way tendencies. However,

822
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,679
he needs to be more consistent defense. Cormier's proficiency and

823
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,800
offensive playmaking and adaptability as a younger defenseman in professional

824
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,039
hockey highlight his potential for NHL six sets. Best asset

825
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,719
his confidence and ability that he can run a second

826
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,199
power play unit of Vegas when the time comes and

827
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,000
the biggest concerned defensive challenges. Further development and improvement is needed.

828
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,440
With his defensive consistency the top tier outcome top four

829
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:22,239
potential pairing with the capabilities of running a power play unit.

830
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,360
If this was any other team, Punite would have said, yeah,

831
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,519
maybe that would be exactly where he'd end up. With

832
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,239
s Theatre, Alex Petrangel and Noahnnafan. He would say that

833
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,280
it has to be a top four role, fiftieth percentile

834
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,400
with a lot of money put into the back. In Vegas,

835
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,639
it's probably more of a barrier of entry than or

836
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,119
up and coming defenseman in other teams and so he's

837
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:49,880
more likely to crack the bottom defensive pair lineup and

838
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,880
slowly work his way up to a middle four. Stylistic comparable,

839
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,719
he's going for a Quinn Hughes type more based on

840
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,960
his hockey IQ, not his size. The NHL rank King

841
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:04,480
Mason Black puts Lucas Cormier up against ty Nelson, and

842
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:08,800
ty Nelson is victorious the Seattle Kraken fifty two or

843
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,039
fifty five to forty five percent Victor Nelson Cormier. What

844
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:13,480
do you think?

845
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've long been a fan of ty Nelson. Even

846
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,159
though he's slightly undersize at five point ten, he really

847
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,119
has some strong fatality. He's a pretty good play driver,

848
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,400
so I think that he has a pretty good shot,

849
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,559
even though of making the NHL, even though he might

850
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,159
be a little bit smaller. We heard a little bit

851
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,639
about Cormier. He is not the best in terms of

852
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,920
like all around play, so I think that that has

853
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,440
to be given to Nelson, and we've seen Nelson do

854
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,679
really well in the OHL, We'll see him in the AHL,

855
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,119
so Cormier is a little bit further along. I think

856
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:48,920
if you want proximity to the NHL an opportunity, then

857
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,079
you got to go with Cormier, although I'm not sure

858
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,320
that his upside is as high as it seemed when

859
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,760
he was in Cormier in the queue and ty Nelson

860
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,440
in North Bay. When he was in the queue, Cormier,

861
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:03,079
it looked like he was putting up a lot of

862
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,679
really good points, and then, as expected, it went down

863
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:07,599
a little bit in the AHL and it seemed like

864
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,400
they wanted him to focus on more of his all

865
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,400
around game and that created a step back. So I

866
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,880
think that I would probably go Cormier just because proximity

867
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,039
the NHL and potential role where you have to be

868
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,800
good offensive minutes to be successful. I think Nelson might

869
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,599
just settle into more of a depth defenseman, and I

870
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:24,559
don't think he's going to dictate power play time. So

871
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,760
even though the probability looks better right now for Nelson,

872
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,800
I think I'd still go Cormier just for that opportunity,

873
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,159
unless I wanted some more security that he's going to

874
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,199
play a lot of NHL games, and I might go Nelson.

875
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,599
Looking at the P and H league between these two,

876
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,199
it's clearly in Nelson's favor right now, close to sixty

877
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,480
for him. Cormier is trended down from fifty five to

878
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,199
sub forty. That was because of his difficult AHL season

879
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:50,239
this past season. Looking at the hockey prospecting between these two,

880
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,400
Cormier definitely graduated at a higher clip twenty three percent

881
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,599
chance of being a star that was before his down

882
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:59,800
AHL season. Nelson at around ten percent, so quite a

883
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,320
bit lower so far. Looking at some other comps for

884
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,400
Lucas Cormier as a slightly undersized offensive defenseman, probably the

885
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,639
best case your scenario're looking for the Jared Spurgeon type.

886
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:12,679
Speaker 2: He looks a little bit.

887
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 3: Better in the model than Spurgeon right at his current

888
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,880
stage of development. But obviously we know the outcome for

889
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,320
Spurgeon and I'm not sure that he can quite get

890
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,800
to that level. He might be more of like a

891
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,199
replacement level kind of guy. Looking at the j freshcard,

892
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,719
pretty pessimistic one percent chance of being a star for

893
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,079
fourteen percent chance of being an NHL or so, not

894
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,800
super exciting. I as we said, as we heard above

895
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,000
from Chris, I think there's a pretty decent chance that

896
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,559
Cormier gets a decent number of games and maybe he

897
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,679
runs away with a decent role. So that's a reason

898
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,559
to maybe be a little bit more excited about him, Jesse.

899
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: And the need to know prospect has already come up

900
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,679
on this show. Who is It?

901
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,159
Speaker 3: Victor Brennan Bursson twenty twenty ninth overall pick six ft

902
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,000
z one hundred and eighty five pounds left shot wing.

903
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,880
This was his second HL season and he increased his

904
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,760
points from just about half point per game to thirty

905
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,920
eight points and fifty two AHL games, so that was

906
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,079
really nice. He also had fifteen NHL games, as you

907
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,440
heard Chris Benchin with just over half point per game

908
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,480
with eight. Looking at his impacts from Evolving Hockey, it

909
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:17,119
looked like he got a little bit lucky on some

910
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,599
of those points. His expected goals for where it's a

911
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:23,239
little bit under average, and he outproduced that by a

912
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,599
little bit. But of course we're talking small sample size

913
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,480
here of just one hundred and seventy minutes time on ice,

914
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:29,119
so that's not a whole lot to go off of.

915
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,440
Looking at his FHL player card from the AHL, you

916
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,880
can see that his shots and blocks are actually at

917
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,000
seventieth percent hel a lot of blocks for a forward.

918
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,960
His hits are a little bit on the low side, though,

919
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,239
so that averages out to about a fiftieth percentile for bash.

920
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:47,079
His goals for sixty look pretty nice overall, which is

921
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:51,000
pretty nice to see. Nineteen goals this season, eighteen goals

922
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:55,000
last season, all that pretty decent for a young forward.

923
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:58,800
Looking at his play driving, it looks pretty bad in

924
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,440
terms of his underlying metrics Transition, game play, driving, high

925
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:05,840
danger pucks and puckwork all really low, like in the

926
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,679
fifteenth percentile twenty fifteen to twenty.

927
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,039
Speaker 2: Eight or so.

928
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: But let's hear a little bit more about Brendan Bisson

929
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:14,519
from our FHL scout.

930
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:20,119
Speaker 2: Our FHL scout Poonite says this Brisson skating is average,

931
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:24,199
although it has improved since being drafted. Passing and handling

932
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,000
in slower paced scenarios, Brisson displays skillful maneuvering and strategic

933
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:33,719
offensive zone play, shooting excels in one time or accuracy

934
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,239
and hand skills IQ. Brisson has strong IQ and anticipation,

935
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,039
which helps in compensating for deficiencies in his skating. For checking,

936
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,199
Brisson can at time show a lack of competitiveness, but

937
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,000
when he has all gears running, Ponite says he's got

938
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,400
the tools to be a high level two hundred foot player.

939
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,320
Defense strong on the back check. As the center, he

940
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,960
seems to be trailing behind the play at times, so

941
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,639
the best asset for Brosan Punite Sai. The standout trait

942
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,360
is the shot. He has a quick release that allows

943
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,239
him to score from a variety of areas in the

944
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,000
offensive zone, but he often elects to stand in the

945
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,599
face off circle, where he opens himself up for one

946
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:16,760
timer opportunities. The biggest concern lack of competitiveness at times.

947
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,239
The top tier role potential to be a top six forward,

948
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,920
but more likely middle six. He has all the skills,

949
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,400
talent ability to play the full two hundred foot game,

950
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,880
He just needs to leave all of his competitive drive

951
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,360
out there on the ice median outcome. Poni says he's

952
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,559
going to get his opportunity to break in his middle

953
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,360
six this season and show what he has. Based on

954
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,639
the logjam in Vegas, he's more poised to be that

955
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:43,599
middle six forward long term, but he's definitely got the potential,

956
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:46,280
skill and talent to push his way into the top six.

957
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,719
Considering especially how injuries frequently give people opportunities in Vegas

958
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,239
and the stylistic comparable Puni's going with alexis La Frangnier.

959
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,280
How about that and the NHL ranking poll from Mason

960
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,320
Black Brandon Barsson versus Tyson Forrester, boy Forrester wins this

961
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,760
one big eighty three to seventeen percent. Is that the

962
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,039
way you stack a Vicker.

963
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,639
Speaker 3: I think this is one of those where it's clearly

964
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:18,360
a little bit challenging because you're talking about a guy

965
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,280
who has, you know, obviously a little bit more security

966
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,119
in terms of his role in the NHL. Forster with

967
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,519
eighty five NHL game seventy seven this season, thirty five

968
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,119
point pace with Philly, and it seems like he's got

969
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:36,000
a pretty locked up NHL role. Brayson, Yeah, I'm not

970
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,639
sure that he has that as for certain we taught,

971
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:40,960
we heard a little bit about that from Chris. It

972
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,400
seems like he definitely is going to have the opportunity.

973
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,960
Both these guys taken similarly, for Forster a little bit

974
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,800
earlier in that draft twenty twenty, so they're in the

975
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,119
same range around the same time becoming maturing. It seems

976
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,159
like there's a pretty clear path to relevance for Brisson

977
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,360
as well. And I do think that as mentioned with

978
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,480
the scouting report there, he has a clapper so he

979
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,039
has a very specific role, and I'm not sure that

980
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,639
Vegas has that particular role on the power play anymore

981
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,559
like Eichel does other things. I think that Stone and Hurtle,

982
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:17,360
as we mentioned, they don't necessarily have that big one

983
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,800
time clapper, so Brisson could get on that power play.

984
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,159
I guess Holts could be the other one. Both being lefties,

985
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,199
maybe they'll have to compete for that. Holts probably has

986
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,000
an inside track, so yeah, I could see why Forrester

987
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,400
just being more of the incumbent and more established guy,

988
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,199
But I think there might be a little bit more

989
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,800
upside for Brisson. Both of these coaches aren't going to

990
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,519
really tolerate poor defensive play, and so that might limit

991
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,599
both of their opportunities. I think I'd go Brisson, though,

992
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,239
just in terms of upside. If you want a more secure,

993
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,679
for sure thing, then Tyson Forrester certainly makes a lot

994
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:51,360
of sense. Their PNHL for both these guys has been

995
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,320
all over the place, wandering up and down, and both

996
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,000
settling in that forty to fifty point range, which is

997
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,559
probably realistic for them moving forward. The hockey prospecting between

998
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:03,159
the two is actually almost exactly the same between them,

999
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:05,519
kind of trending down from thirty six to five to

1000
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:08,679
seven percent. Chance of being a star in the NHL

1001
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:12,000
are probability being slightly higher for Berson at sixty four percent,

1002
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,239
but a force right there at fifty three. Some of

1003
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,920
the other comps for a Berson that seem reasonable. I

1004
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,000
think Ivan Barbashev, which is funny now, teammate Ivan Barbashev,

1005
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,000
seems like a pretty reasonable outcome as an average producer.

1006
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,880
I think, I think that's not too far fetched. And

1007
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,480
then the last j fresh card three percent chance of

1008
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:32,159
being a star, thirty one percent chance of being an

1009
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,559
NHLer seems pretty pessimistic. I think there's a little bit

1010
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,519
more opportunity than that. So yeah, it's going to be

1011
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,440
really important season for Berson. It seems like he's going

1012
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,159
to get an opportunity. If you want guys that are

1013
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,000
pretty close to having a role, then Berson is certainly

1014
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:45,719
one of those guys.

1015
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: And lastly, who's to keep your eye on prospect picture.

1016
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: That would be R two Kharki and he is a

1017
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,320
twenty twenty three ninety six overall pick sixty two, one

1018
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,760
hundred and seventy six pound left handed d After years

1019
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,039
playing for TOPAR twenty Smsarya was loaned over to the

1020
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,880
OHL for the su Gray Greyhounds, where he put up

1021
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,679
twenty one goals forty five points in fifty nine games.

1022
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,920
Pretty solid production. You're always looking at that when you're

1023
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,880
going from a really more professional league to a junior league.

1024
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:23,599
I'd say he did pretty well overall, and it seems

1025
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:25,320
like he's actually going to be back in the LEGUA

1026
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,119
next season for the main club to Para, so that'll

1027
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,239
be interesting. He also had seven points and eleven OHL

1028
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,159
playoff games and three points in seven w World World

1029
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:41,119
Junior Championship games, so interesting for him there. Overall, I

1030
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:43,920
think that he's someone they don't have a really high

1031
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,639
end prospect pool, and there aren't a whole other guys

1032
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:49,239
in the system that kind of can fit this role.

1033
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,440
So I think that's one thing that kind of works

1034
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,079
in kar keys favor.

1035
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: And let's hear.

1036
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 3: A little bit more about what makes him an interesting

1037
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,679
prospect from our Rachel scout.

1038
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: Who needs to what is this about kar Key skating average? However,

1039
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,480
he needs to work on his footwork in terms of speed,

1040
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,760
passing and handling, good hands, accurate passing ability, shooting Karki's

1041
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,280
potential for offensive production at the pro level is high,

1042
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:20,119
says Punit. Iq distinct understanding of the offensive zone consistently

1043
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:23,280
operates low in the zone for extended periods, which allows

1044
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,400
him to be more involved in the game and have

1045
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,920
more of an impact for checking. Skating ability allows him

1046
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,559
to move efficiently at the point and evade four checkers. Defense.

1047
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,320
He struggles to defend the blue line, and compete level

1048
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,480
is questioned frequently. He also needs significant improvement in retrieving

1049
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:44,800
pucks at his own end, as he can be careless

1050
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,480
with the puck, leading to turnovers. So the best asset

1051
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,119
skilled and patient with the puck, often setting up teammates

1052
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:53,840
with on point passes, including tape to tape ones. His

1053
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,679
shot is also effective, and he has honed a strong

1054
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,880
one timer shot. Biggest concern needs to improve his puck

1055
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,559
movement out of his own end and put more effort

1056
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:06,119
into gaining possession in the defensive zone and top tier

1057
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,280
outcome may sound surprising, says Punit, but he's got the

1058
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,480
potential to become a key difference maker. He's developed into

1059
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:17,239
a reliable distributor who orchestrates the offense and controls the tempo.

1060
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,639
Justification is because teams are always on the lookout for

1061
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,719
offensive minded defenseman, which is exactly what he is. If

1062
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,960
Theodore departs next offseason, Karki has the capability to mitigate

1063
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,800
the loss of one of their top defensemen median outcome

1064
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,920
based on the assessment above, he could get a top

1065
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,280
four pairing with the potential to hit forty to fifty

1066
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,800
points and definitely to run the power play. And the

1067
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,400
early stylistic comparison that Punite gives is to shape theat

1068
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,519
or so our friend Mason Black the NHL rankking his

1069
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:52,159
poll was Wyatt Kaiser of the Chicago Blackhawks versus R

1070
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:56,519
two car Key, and Wyatt Kaiser comes out ahead sixty

1071
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,079
one point five to thirty eight point five. Victor Do

1072
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:00,880
you agree.

1073
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,159
Speaker 3: This is another one of those where you have someone

1074
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:07,639
who is very likely to be an NHLer in Wya

1075
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,639
Kaiser versus someone who has a little bit less likelihood

1076
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:14,960
or probability. We've already seen Kaiser play a bunch of

1077
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,719
NHL games, not a bunch. He's played thirty thirty two

1078
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,320
this season nine last season. He was able to put

1079
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,880
up some points at eighteen point pace. This past season

1080
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,920
twenty seven in his first game in a smaller sample size,

1081
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:28,400
so he's already getting an opportunity. He's already there. I'm

1082
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,639
not sure that the upside is super huge, as Punite said.

1083
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,599
The upside for KARKI I think is much higher. I

1084
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:36,599
think if he hits and he can round out his

1085
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:39,400
game and be trusted for more even strength minutes and

1086
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,920
get that power play time, then certainly he can be

1087
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:44,880
forty to fifty point guy. I think Kaiser is going

1088
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,039
to settle into more of a depth defenseman kind of

1089
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:48,920
role with that much power play time. So if you

1090
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,840
want this a swing, go with Kaki. If you want

1091
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,920
the security of guy who play pretty decent number of minutes,

1092
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,880
and I think you go with White Kaiser. So I

1093
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,840
personally would rather just take Khaki because that's a good

1094
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,559
swing to take and if it works out, great, and

1095
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,599
if not, you drop him. Kaiser He's going to be

1096
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:08,800
more replacement level even if he hits, I think, so

1097
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,719
I wouldn't be as excited about that. Looking at the

1098
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,119
hockey prospecting between these two. Oh, I was gonna mention

1099
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:17,119
one more thing. R two Khaki one of his comps

1100
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:20,599
and the Mason Black model is Oli Yu Levy, the

1101
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,000
Vancouver draft pick who busted out, So that would be

1102
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:25,719
unfortunate if he ended up like that, but I think

1103
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:28,119
there's a reasonable chance. Also another guy, Joey Kean who

1104
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:31,039
didn't quite make it, So those are some guys that

1105
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:34,079
he might end up like. Looking at the Hockey Prospecting Model,

1106
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,840
both these guys pretty low percentage of being a star.

1107
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,719
Kharki just eight percent trending up to sixty three percent

1108
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,280
NHLer probability, and Kaiser has been in the five to

1109
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,480
six percent range of being a star that his entire

1110
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:50,559
career and that continued, it's pretty unlikely that there's going

1111
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,960
to be a big, big improvement for him. Looking at

1112
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,239
some other comps for Khaki in the Hockey Prospecting Model,

1113
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:01,159
a lot of these guys are replacement level or just

1114
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:03,760
guys that aren't super interesting. But the one who actually

1115
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,800
did really do pretty well and obviously we all know,

1116
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,800
is Thomas Shabbat. I don't know that it's terribly likely

1117
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,920
that he ends up like Thomas Shabbat, but he is

1118
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,320
someone who statistically looks similar in this model. There you go,

1119
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,440
and the j Fresh model is pretty pessimistic on khark

1120
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,519
Heat just two percent chance of being a star eighteen

1121
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:27,039
percent chance of being an NHL or and yeah, that's

1122
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,199
probably likely. I think there's a more star potential but

1123
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,480
less similar pessimistic on the Injiler probability. Just have a

1124
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:36,760
lot of things that needs to go right. So he's

1125
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,400
someone that if you want to accept the volativity and

1126
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,840
you want to be a little bit patient, he could

1127
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,920
be pretty interesting when there's still some potential there. That's

1128
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,920
it for our Vegas gool and Night's dig. If you're

1129
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,800
a patroon, you can listen to my top ten prospect

1130
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1133
00:59:54,639 --> 01:00:05,880
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Follow Victor and myself on X at Victor Nuno twelve

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at Fan Hockey Life and review us on Apple Pods, Spotify,

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wherever else. You could do pods and until next time,

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keep living that fantasy hockey life.