Speaker 1: Eight. In twenty and sixteen, prosecutors in the Manhattan office
decided that they weren't going to pursue charges against Jeffrey
Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell. Why in the hell would they
not pursue charges? Can't tell me. There wasn't enough evidence.
We had mountains of it. So what was the motivation
for this office for these prosecutors to not chase Jeffrey
Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell. Could it have anything to do
with who was in charge of the just US Department
at the time, Miss Loretta Lynch? Was she trying to
protect Bill Clinton? Quite possible. We know that they were tight.
We know that Loretta Lynch and Hillary were tight, and
we know that Bill Clinton had big time ties to
Jeffrey Epstein. Were the prosecutors in on this? Was Pretra
rah rah in on this? He was the man down
there at the time. What did he know? When know it?
And why did they not pursue Jeffrey Epstein and Gilain
Maxwell in two thousand and sixteen, Well, let's jump into
this Daily News article and see what they think. Headline,
Manhattan Federal prosecutors declined to pursue Jeffrey Epstein and Gilain
Maxwell case in two thousand and sixteen. This article was
authored by Stephen Rex Brown. So again my question is
why did they not pursue them? You know, there's a
lot of people that you know, have questions like this.
Why in the world, with all of the evidence that
they had compiled even up to that point, were these
two not pursued. Who was protecting them and why. In
July twenty nineteen, then Manhattan US Attorney US Attorney Jeffrey
Berman proclaimed before a bunch of cameras that the FEDS
were proud to stand up for Jeffrey Epstein's survivors. Yeah, okay,
mister Berman, nothing happened while you were in office. Really, dude,
you didn't do shit. You didn't help the investigation one bit.
You were just another bumbling fool. So please spare us
with your platitudes. My office will not rest until perpetrators
of these types of crimes are brought to justice. Victims' voices,
including the many voices of Epstein's alleged victims, must be heard.
Berman said, Yeah, I mean, your office did a real
good job of that in twenty sixteen. All of your cohorts,
all of your buddies, all of your awesome heart charging
after justice. Friends in the Prosecutor's office, they sure did
a real good job of that. In reality, your office
and just about every other office in the whole entire
nation abandoned these girls. So don't act like after the fact.
In two thousand, after he's arrested, after the new expose
by the Miami Herald, after the renewed interest that you
and your office were on the front line of making
this happen. Such bullocks. It wasn't always that way. On
February twenty ninth, twenty and sixteen, the office's top human
trafficking prosecutor, Amanda Kramer, met with defense attorneys representing survivors
of Epstein and his alleged madam co conspirator, fellow child abuser,
general all around scumbag and bipedal serpent Geelean Maxwell, sources
tell The Daily News. So in twenty sixteen, Amanda Kramer,
who's who was the head hauncho of trafficking the trafficking
office of prosecuting people who engage in that behavior, met
with the attorneys for the survivor and nothing came of it. Obviously,
another person who acts like they care but really doesn't
another person who's in a position of power who decides
not to act. Are these people ever going to be
held responsible? At the very least, they should be barred
from public office. At the very least, we should not
be paying taxpayer dollars to these people, don't you think.
The attorneys urged Kramer to open an investigation of the duo,
but Kramer had many questions, including how Epstein's controversial non
prosecution agreement with the Southern District of Florida in two
thousand and seven would impact a new investigation. The sources said,
you see what it's about here, right right from the beginning.
You see what the sdn WY is about. It's not
about the investigation. Kramer didn't want to do the legwork.
She didn't want to put in the time, She didn't
want to put in the resources and really go after this.
What else were they busy doing in twenty sixteen in
that office. Oh yeah, busy doing political hit jobs. I forgot.
They were way too busy to actually do their jobs.
They were too busy engaged in political infighting. The FBI,
the US Attorney's Office, the just US Department all needed
to be completely torn down and rebuilt. Correctly. The attorney
attempted to peak a Manhattan federal prosecutor's interests in a
second meeting in the summer of twenty sixteen, after Maxwell
allegedly committed perjury. Two sources said, Nah, wait, perjury. We
don't have time for that here. We don't have time
to pursue someone like Gilaane Maxwell on simple perjury. We
are engaged in other things. We are busy doing other things. Really,
the head of human trafficking, and you think the case
is too rough to pursue. You don't know if you
have the right or resources to pursue it. What does
that even mean. You work at the SDNY, plenty of
resources for you, especially to go after somebody like Jeffrey Epstein.
What these resources just automatically, somehow appeared in the office
now that after Maxwell has been arrested and the case
has been growing, So those resources just showed up. No,
those resources were available throughout the whole entire time that
Kramer was in office, that Preed was in office, that
Loretta Lynch was in office. But you know what the
truth is, folks, they did not care, point blank period.
The sources set. A second meeting occurred, but Another source
familiar with the outreach to the government insisted it never happened.
Epstein was paying Maxwell's legal bills at the time, and
the survivor's attorneys believed the pair were in a perjury conspiracy.
Sources said, well, how about some egg on the face
for mister Preet's office, how about some egg on the
face for Amanda Kramer? Because guess what they were right,
there was perjury going on. Epstein and Maxwell were still conversating,
We're still in contact, we're still working together behind the scenes,
and Amanda Kramer and Prete and Loretta Lynch did not
care enough to pursue it. You want reality, folks, there
it is right for you, right in your face. That's
the reality of the situation. No bullshitting around, no nonsense.
They did not care. Both efforts went nowhere. We were
saying to anyone who would listen, we've got clients who
are abused, some of them under age. We have the evidence,
there's a whole record that's been developed. We can establish
beyond any reasonable doubt that there was a mass of
sex trafficking ring going on, said David Boyse, an attorney
for Epstein's survivors, and They didn't care. They didn't even
bother to look at the evidence. What did Amanda Kramer care?
She's way too busy going after her political opponents. We
know that that's how Prete was Roland, and we certainly
know Loretta Lynch isn't above it. So you see the nonsense.
You see how this case was ignored for decades, and
then you wonder why people are mad. You wonder why
people are pissed off and demanding justice. This cannot be
allowed to play out in America. This sort of thing
cannot be allowed to happen. If you're engaged in a
human sex trafficking operation, it is time for you to
be punished. Modern day slavery folks, That's exactly what it is.
And right now, at this point in time, there are
more people in bondage than at at any other point
in time in history, and human trafficking plays a huge,
gigantic part in that. And Preete and Amanda and Loretta
Lynch way too busy to engage. Huh. The Manhattan US
attorney at the time, Prete Barahra, was not aware of
the meetings. The News confirmed. It's unclear how far up
the Southern district's chain of command. The proposal went, Oh please,
I don't buy that for a minute. I don't buy
that for a minute. It's plausible deniability. Huh. His underlings
are making these decisions. Huh. No one's passing that over
his desk. Huh. Now, if we're going to destroy Acosta,
and we should have, and we did, then Prete and
his office must also get the same exact treatment. They
played a huge role in this in two thousand, in sixteen,
and furthermore, what did Preet ever do to go after
Jeffrey Epstein or Giley and Maxwell? What did his office
ever do? Not a thing, not one thing ever, And
this happened right under their nose. How many blocks away
from their office was Jeffrey Epstein abusing these girls. We
never contacted Prete directly. We thought he would have been
briefed on a matter of this importance, and we hoped
to make progress with the staff and didn't want it
to be seen as going over their head. But in retrospect,
we probably should have gone to him directly. Boys said, again,
I don't buy that. Prete didn't have any idea about
what was going on. He ran that office like a dictator,
iron gloved dictator. You mean to tell me he never
saw anything for this, And if that's the case, then
he wasn't as good at his job as people said.
Then he wasn't as good of an administrator as he
made himself out to be. How don't you know what
your underlings are working on? How don't you know about
big cases such as this? It's just like the people
who say I didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was. Really
I was just hanging out and we were having some coffee. Yeah, okay,
sure you didn't. That might work for an average human being,
some normal person, you know, just worried about their life
every day. But when someone like pre Barahahara rah rah
acts like they had no idea what was going on
in their office, I tell you here and now, that
is some straight up bullshit. I don't believe it for
one single second. The Virgin Islands Attorney General accused Epstein
of bringing underage girls to his private island of perversions
as recently as twenty eighteen. So how many girls could
have been saved if preet and his office would have
done the right thing. How many girls would not have
been abused if Preete and his office would have been
focusing on actual crimes. But no, too busy planned politics,
too busy trying to run hatchet jobs. And this is
the result. This is the result when you have the
FBI playing grab ass. A person closely familiar with the
Southern District emphasized that understanding of the Epstein saga was
radically different before The Miami Herald published it's bombshell investigation
in late twenty eighteen. Yeah right, that's such bullshit. I
don't know about you, folks, but I'm not letting them
get off the hook with that one. Everybody knew, Okay,
everybody knew. Anybody with Google knew what Jeffrey Epstein was about.
Anybody who listened to the testimony of those girls knew
what Jeffrey Epstein was about. And anybody saying any different,
any prosecutor, especially working in this office, who says any
different is a straight up bullshitting liar, okay, liar. The
story raised major questions about why then Southern District of
Florida US Attorney Alex Acosta let the purv off so easy.
Reopening the case brought by another US attorney is rare.
The person said, yeah, well, your job is to take
those steps. Your job is to break the mold. Your
job as the hancho at SDNY is to take the
lead for the rest of the country and show them
how it's done. But you didn't have the stones, you
didn't have the fruits, and you didn't care about these survivors.
That's all it breaks down to. That's what it comes
down to, and that's the bottom line. You just presume
that major, significant, well respected US attorney's offices don't f
this up. The person said, Look, the way that they're
trying to pin all of the blame on the Florida's
office is a whole area is here. Sure, they definitely
are to blame for the non prosecution agreement, how everything
went the first time around. But let's be real, what
have you done, pret What did you do to help
these girls? Not a thing, never left a finger, never
sanctioned Epstein, never went after the money laundering. You knew
about the stars, you knew about the financial crimes, and
you didn't do shit. So please get off of your
ivory tower when you're speaking to me. It obviously seems
very tragic in hindsight, but if people reopened our case,
we'd lose our minds. I don't care. You see the
problem here, folks, If people reopened our case, we'd lose
our minds. Stuff your ego. Stuff it deep, because your
ego should play no part in how we pursue criminal cases.
If you fed up, if you didn't do the right thing,
and someone else reopens your case, well, do a better
job as a prosecutor. Then how about that too difficult
to ask? Well, if that's the case, then kick rocks
will bring somebody in like Alison Moe, who actually cares.
The sources who described attorney's disappointment in twenty sixteen were
quick to credit the prosecutors and FBI agents who brought
the Epstein and Maxwell cases that began under Berman, but
the attorney's earlier efforts to persuade the FEDS to investigate Epstein,
led by Boys, one of the country's most powerful lawyers,
will likely be scrutinized in Maxwell's criminal case. Yeah, you think,
of course it's going to be scrutinized. They fed up,
they didn't do the right thing. The SDNY did not
have their eye on the ball. There were way too
busy playing politics. They were way too busy engaging when
they should have been chasing down and destroying Jeffrey Epstein's
network have argued she was the victim of perjury trap
set by survivors attorneys and that the FEDS improperly obtained
her depositions, which remain under seal. Well, here's an idea.
If you're not lying about something, then you will not
be walked into a perjury trap. Okay, And again, folks,
remember when we're looking at this, look at what her
defense is talking about. They're talking about technicalities again, They're
talking about loopholes because when it comes down to the evidence,
they know it's not on their side and they have
no chance of defending their client on the merits of
her innocence alone. Prosecutors accuse Maxwell of lying in those
depositions about her knowledge of Epstein's sick lifestyle, including his
collection of sex toys and obsession with underage girls. Her
legal team will argue to the Second Circuit Court of
Appeals Tuesday that the deposition should remain under seal so
that depositions happens today. We'll see what happens there and
we will definitely report on that. The deposition transcripts obtained
by the government, and the indictment's perjury counts place in
a new light plaintiff's earlier litigation conduct, suggesting the planned
use of miss Maxwell's deposition as a perjury trap. Maxwell's
attorney Tygee wrote in July again, technicalities. It's not that
my client is innocent. It's not that my client didn't
do this. It's that we're going to use these technicalities
so that you can't pursue justice. But attorneys for Epstein's
survivors were not in cahoots with the Feds in twenty sixteen,
despite their best efforts, bingo, there you go, that's the tell.
Twenty sixteen, the FBI and the authorities were way too
busy fing around to even bother with this case. Attorney
Stan Pottinger, Bradley Edwards, and Peter Skinner attended a February
down with Kramer in a conference room at the Southern
District's headquarters at one Street Andrews Plaza. Skinner, an attorney
at the firm boy Schiller. Flexner, attended in part because
he is a former assistant US attorney at the Southern
District who knew Kramer. Sources said, so, remember at all
of these legal offices, Schiller and Boys, Boys and Schiller,
however you want to pronounce it, whatever, all these powerful offices,
they all have ex prosecutors that work with them, because
these prosecutors have a relationship with the current prosecutors. End well,
I guess it doesn't hurt to have a friendly face
Ham when you're trying to work out a deal. The
team represented Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts in a defamation lawsuit
against Maxwell, an alleged madam, co conspirator, fellow child abuser,
general all around scuzbag, and Bipedal Serpent for Epstein. The
lawsuit focused on whether the British socialite Bipedal Serpent smeared
roberts name by saying she lied about Epstein's sex trafficking scheme,
but it also provided a means to obtain evidence and
force people in Epstein's orbit to testify under oath. It
sure did, and it was a brilliant move on the
part of the lawyers. These lawyers know their business, and
the lawyers for the survivors, for the most part, are
really charging hardier and they're really working to make sure
that things swing in the right direction. The legal team
presented Kramer, the Southern District's coordinator for Justice Department initiatives
combating human trafficking and child exploitation, with what they'd learned
about Epstein's scheme. The multimillionaire financier pedophile had abused dozens
of underage girls in Palm Beach and elsewhere during sexualized massages.
They said. With Maxwell's assistance, Epstein had allegedly created a
trafficking pyramid scheme in which girls were rewarded for recruiting
new underage victims. Kramer was concerned about the non prosecution agreement,
According to sources, Notice it's about the technicality. It's not
about you know what. I don't care about that. This
is an important case. I'll find a way around it.
I'm going to prosecute these people. No, Kramer, Eh, you know,
we got this non prosecution agreement. I don't think we
can go after them in technicalities. That kind of shit
makes me crazy. If you're a prosecutor and wrongdoing has
been done investigated, if your investigation turns up that the
person in question is guilty, arrest them. That's how the
system works. This has already been looked at, as source
recalled Kramer saying, so, what you're really asking us to
do is redo what the US attorney in Florida did. Yeah,
that's exactly what you were being asked to do, Miss Kramer.
You don't even bring this to your boss. Something this
important didn't go to preed Huh. And I'm sure Loretta
Lynch had no idea about covering for people. Talk about
making sure your friends are covered for. What an absolute
dumpster fire Loretta Lynch was, What an absolute dumpster fire,
mister Preete was. So any time you hear one of
the people from the previous administration get up there with
their ivory towers and their platitudes and there were down
with me too's well, just remember in twenty sixteen, they
didn't do shit either. A Costa negotiated the agreement with
Epstein's powerhouse legal team that allowed the sex offender to
dodge serious federal charges and plead guilty to state prostitution charges.
And again, do you really think, just like with Lynch
and pret here an Amanda Kramer, that this didn't go
up to the line, didn't go up to the Bush administration,
didn't go up to mccasey and his deputies of course
it did. These attorney generals in these states, they don't
make these decisions on their own. They have bosses that
they have to answer to as well, folks, And the
bureaucracy is large. The deal is a critical chapter in
the Epstein saga, which the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals
described as a tale of national disgrace. And now remember
the Eleventh Circuit is looking at this to see what's what,
and we might get that non prosecution agreement overturned. And
if that's the case and that gets overturned, oh, it
will be a field day, folks, an absolute field day
on bringing these scumbags to heal. A second source were
called Kramer looking for a New York angle to the
Epstein scheme which would allow him to be charged in Manhattan.
But evidence that girls had endured the multimillionaire's massages at
the Upper east Side mansion was thin at the time.
The sources said, oh, thin at the time. Thin at
the time. That's what they want you to believe. It
was thin at the time. That's an outright lie. And
Amanda Kramer should be held responsible for not pursuing this.
She should at the very least have to answer some
hard questions, because this is absolute bullshit. Do you have
cases of Epstein's abuse here in New York? A second
source familiar with the meeting recalled Kramer asking The answer
was not necessarily, or at least not yet. We asked,
why can't you open an investigation and look for them.
We'll look for them, and you look for them. So Kramer,
who did not seem unsympathetic or skeptical, also asked about
the statue of limitations for some of Epstein's crimes. The
sources said, so, I don't the author here and the
sources try and make it cover for Kramer. Let's just
be honest, all right, Let's just be honest about what
occurred here. They were negligent in their duties in the SDN.
Why pret was the boss? All buck stops with him?
And further, Loretta Lynch should behold to account as well.
The team left the meeting feeling optimistic. The AUSA acted
confident that a case would be brought against Epstein for
crimes committed against Virginia and others in New York. Of course,
first she had to have the facts, witnesses, evidence, and
victims of a New York crime. We assured the prosecutor
that the number of victims in New York far exceeded
those discovered in Florida. The group walked out, excited that
New York was finally going to bring a case against Epstein.
You would think that when you bring all of that
to an attorney US Attorney's office, and you present all
of the facts, and you let them know that there's
more victims in New York than there were even in Florida,
that the Attorney General would at the very least kick
a few tires, ask a few questions, initiate a low
key investigation. None of that occurred. I said to David
and Pete, don't hold your breath. The Southern District obviously
doesn't know who they're dealing with yet, Edwards wrote in
his book Relentless Pursuit, My Fight for the Victims of
Jeffrey Epstein. Edwards was right not to celebrate. The attorneys
did not hear back from prosecutors, according to sources, not
even a callback, not even a courtesy call. Hey, look,
my boss told me that this is something that doesn't
ring with us right now. I can't pursue this. I'm sorry.
None of that that I would just won't call them.
We'll ghost them, We'll blow smoke up their ass, We'll
get the survivors fired up that they're gonna get justice,
and then we'll just ignore it. That is the SDNY
under pret That is the SDNY under Loretta Lynch. The
team thought they had found a new way to entice
the FEDS after Maxwell's depositions by attorney Sigared McCauley and
Boys in April and July twenty and sixteen, Boys and
Pottinger reapproached Kramer and asked if the Southern District will
consider charging Maxwell with perjury. Sources said she mentioned the
comedy typical pit between US attorneys around the country. A
source said the lawyers for Epstein's survivors did not hear
back from the Southern District regarding the perjury proposal. They
believe that a Justice Department tradition of not second guessing
another US attorney's work took precedence over the Southern District
of New York's cherished reputation for fearlessness and independence. Now
they're fearless and independent when they're chasing down like a
stormy Daniels. Right if they think they're gonna get some
headlines out of it. Hell yeah, they're charging hard. We're
the SDN, Why we're here to kick your ass. Meanwhile,
they had this hal laid out to them on a platter,
and they don't move until a journalist kicks the tires
and gets this shit going. That should give us confidence
in the SDNY. That should give us confidence in mister
Prett and Amanda Kramer certainly doesn't for me. All it
does is open up a whole new line of questions,
a whole new battle, because these people, just like the
scum in Florida, should be held responsible for their inaction.
David was particularly frustrated by the failure to pursue a
perjury charge. A source familiar with the meetings said the
sources were called boys, telling colleagues we have her dead
to rights. Kramer declined to comment. A spokesman for the
Southern District of New York declined to comment. That's nice, huh.
Isn't that real nice that they won't even comment. They
work for you, remember, they work for me and you,
and they won't even comment about their stupid ass decision making.
It tells you all you need to know. We're certainly
not in charge, the just US Department out of control,
the CIA out of control, the FBI out of control,
and the two tier justice system in the United States
dates most assuredly, Folks is out of control. A timeline
of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking case. The office's attitude changed
after the Miami Herald highlighted the perversion of justice that
resulted in Epstein's receiving a slap on the wrist. Again,
if you needed Julie Brown, a journalist, to blow this
out of the water for you as a prosecutor in
New York, when all of this was handed to you,
when you had phone calls over this man for years
and people reported their behavior, If you needed Julie K.
Brown's story to kick your ass into gear, You, my
friends are failures and you have no business in that
prosecutor's office. So retire, quit, Go get a job at
the grocery store. You're more equipped for that. Epstein killed
himself last year, allegedly while awaiting trial for underage sex trafficking.
Maxwells pleaded not guilty to grooming Epstein's underage survivors and perjury,
and is awaiting trial. Neither Epstein or Maxwell's lawyers responded
to inquiries. This was not a situation where we were
dealing with people who didn't care. I never thought they
didn't believe our story. I never had any doubt that
they were. That they were sympathetic, even outraged by it.
They simply seemed to feel they couldn't be seen as
second guessing what the US attorney in Florida had done.
Boys said, well, Boys has to say that, right. Boys
has to be nice about this. He wants the prosecution
to continue doing their jobs. I, on the other hand,
do not have to be nice about it. I can
say whatever the FI want. And in my opinion, this
office was negligent. Preet was negligent, and Miss Kramer was
also negligent. And it goes all the way up to
Loretta Lynch. Buck stops there, right, she's the boss. If
those are the rules we're going to be using, then
those are the rules we're using all around for everybody, folks. Okay,
So Loretta Lynch should be asked about this prete next
time he's on the TV running his fat mouth about
the great job he did and when he was at
the SDNY. Somebody should just shove this right down his
throat and ask him point blank, Yo, prete, why didn't
you care about the Jeffrey Epstein survivors? Why didn't your
office initiate an investigation until a journalist started nosing around?
You don't think that your investigators could have unearthed this.
You don't think that your investigators could have done their
job and help these survivors. They could have. You guys
just didn't care. If you'd like to contact me, you
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