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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of Your Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor and chief of the Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 2: And boy, did people like to email the show this

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last week. Like we're still getting emails.

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Speaker 1: It might have been the most email, not the most,

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but it was up there.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot, a lot of email and all

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over the map. People who love you, people who don't

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love you, people who hate me, people who don't hate me.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was definitely a diverse array of viewpoints

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that came in on our discussion on the you know,

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the the graper problem. I think on the right and anyway,

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so we appreciate it. We read most I try to

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read most of them. I don't read all of them.

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If you're going to write just I.

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Speaker 2: Read every word.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to write two thousand words, it's not

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going to be read stop it.

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Speaker 2: Some of them have been really good, thoughtful. You need

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to read them all.

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Speaker 1: It's great anyway, the shutdowns over, Molly, how do you

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feel you're right, did you make it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, as of this taping, are we sure? I mean,

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I think I'll be over right.

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Speaker 1: I think the House has just or is going to

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vote for it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I I am glad the shutdown is over. And

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I do a ton of air travel, so it was

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definitely starting to negatively impact me on the air travel

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part of things, including that I had to go up

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to New York for Fox this week and I usually fly,

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and I had to take the which for me is

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not the most enjoyable mode of transport, just because I

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get a little sick on the train. But this is

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not that interesting. But point being, I'm starting to get annoyed.

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And I also really want to see my in laws

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for Thanksgiving because I haven't seen them for fifteen months,

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and I was worried that the shutdown would keep me

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from being able to fly out to Oregon to see them.

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How about you?

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Speaker 1: I do everything I cannot to fly, though I would

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do occasionally, so I was not looking forward to that.

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I am actually going to fly soon. But other than that,

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I don't really think that it affected me in any way, honestly,

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and I don't think it affected most people in any way.

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What I think is interesting here, or what I think

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needs to be stressed is this was the dumbest shutdown

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we've ever had. There was no there was no real

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reason for it. Now, I think Democrats are huge losers here.

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I don't think that this affects elections in any huge way,

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but it does. It showed that the Democrats are at

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war with each other in a way, but also that

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they have no real focused agenda. You know. So they

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tried to convince everyone that millions of people were going

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to start first, millions of people are going to lose

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their health, and millions of people are going to start.

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But now that a few I guess moderate Democrats decided

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to cross over and open the government. That they're mad

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that people aren't starving, you know what I mean. They're

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mad that the government's opening up and people would be

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getting their Snap and Obamacare subsidies and all of that.

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So it just seemed very It just seemed useless, And

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I think Chuck Schumer's just been one of the He's

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just terrible, let's be honest. I think Democrats could do

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a lot better. He constantly gives in to the far

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left with these sort of formative fights that really gained

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Democrats nothing, and I just think it was a disaster

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politically for them. Okay, I think, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think I disagree. Number One, people in DC care a

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lot about shutdowns, but I don't feel like other people

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do that much in the sense that as painful as

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this one was becoming, people will forget about it in

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a few months. So the downsides of the shutdown aren't

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that great. And if you think as I do, that

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Chuck Schumer forced this shutdown so that Virginia elections in

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particular would go really well for Democrats. Like the shutdown,

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I think Paul showed that people were blaming Republicans for it,

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which was of course very unfair because republic Republicans kept

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voting to keep the government open and demo.

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Speaker 1: But only slightly, not the usual overwhelming polling on that absolutely.

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Speaker 2: True, but usually the shutdown is caused by the Republicans.

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Is this one it wasn't. So the fact that the

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polling showed that people were blaming Republicans for something that

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they had zero fault with, and that it was also

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I think showing up in approval for Trump right ahead

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of an election where you need base voters to come

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out and you want to energize your base if you're Democrats,

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you want to demoralize your base if you're a Republican.

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I think Democrats actually had a huge victory here. It

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really helped them with the excitement ahead of the election.

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I had kept telling Mark that I thought that the

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shutdown would and days after the election, and it would

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have actually ended on the Friday after the election if

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Progressives hadn't become so emboldened by the mom Danni when

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that they decided to push for what Schumer claimed the

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shutdown was over. But I don't think the shutdown was

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over anything other than invigorating a base ahead of an election,

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and by that standard, they crushed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I just don't believe. I just don't

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think that the I don't think Spamberger loses or the

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elections any closer if there's no shutdown. I don't think

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that that I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think would have changed the outcomes. But I do think

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the margins matter, and as you know, David, in Virginia,

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those margins are now leading to a super majority for

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Democrats to be able to push through every gun ban

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they want in Virginia. Redistricting like they're going to have

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wonderful benefits to them for the next few years. Not

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because people wondered if Democrats would win Virginia, but the

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margins are so big.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the folks who won in Virginia at

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least pretend to be moderate. Svamberger among them. In a sense,

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she was the one I think it was twenty twenty

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who told Democrats that should never say the word socialist again.

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In that she definitely portrays herself as somewhat moderate. Now,

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I know people are going to tell me she's not,

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and I agree, but I wonder if they're really going

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to go through with all that, because I think you

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could back a.

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Speaker 2: Listener could just remind us of this conversation when Abigail

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Spaanberger is signing into law bills promoting euthanasia and taking

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away guns. I just want that reminder for us that

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it does not matter how she presented herself, but what

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she is and what she is is in some ways

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more dangerous than a mom Donnie, because she can fool

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low information voters into thinking she's moderate.

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Speaker 1: No, she portrays herself as a moderate. I agree she

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is not. My only point is that governing in that

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way could backfire, and that's what I'm saying. So we'll

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see what she does. I wouldn't be surprised if she did.

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But I wouldn't be surprised if they somewhat moderated their

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governing style from last time, which costs them the state.

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But you know, I could be wrong about that. So

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you're saying, so okay, So you're saying the shutdown was

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and I think this is true, was meant to motivate

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Democratic votes, and clearly they were far more interested in

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coming out and voting, which I think speaks to a

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larger problem with a lot of Trump voters, people who

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wear red hats, you know, they love him. Not sure

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that they're as motivated to get out and vote for

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other Republicans, which is going to be a problem post Trump.

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That's not to say. And I see I think Donald

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Trump said, you know, I wasn't on the ballot, and

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we always lose when I'm not on the ballot. That's

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not true. I mean, you know plenty of people, I mean,

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what's his name, Youngkin one without Trump on the ballot,

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and you know Kemp went one without Trump on the ballot,

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and DeSantis one recently without Trump on the ballot, but

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I think those are very competent people. So I don't know.

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I don't know what that portends for Republicans coming soon,

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but it is a problem when you have a party

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built around one person rather than a set of maybe

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you know, an agenda or set of ideas that are

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that people are really excited about.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not denying that Donald Trump has an outsize

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and beloved or hated personality. I agree with that, but

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I think that one of the biggest failures that Republicans

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have made is to accept the voters that Donald Trump

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brings in without understanding who those voters are and without thinking,

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without realizing, they sort of accept what Donald Trump's biggest

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detractors say, which is that these dumb voters are only

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interested in his personality, when in fact they're super interested

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in the policies. Yes, they like the personality, or sometimes

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they don't. Sometimes they vote for him despite his personality,

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but the policies are what they like, and they are

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very frustrated with things like in recent decades, such as

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our immigration policy, or our bailouts for banks, or the

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way that we had been fighting wars. And if you

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think that people are voting for Trump because of his

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TV personality and not at least in large part because

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of his policy approaches to these things. You will continue

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to operate your party as you have been. And that's

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the problem for voters coming forward. Why would you vote

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Republican right now?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Why what was the case for coming out and voting Republican?

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If you had to sum it up, what would you say,

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like from what was presented to voters? Yeah, why would

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you vote I or win some earl sears.

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Speaker 1: I should just think I wanted to quick step back.

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I'll answer that question. I think though, that a lot

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of the people have backfilled Donald Trump's you case ideologically

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overestimate the popularity of a lot of things that they're saying.

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So there was no real good reason to vote for

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Republicans in Virginia because they did not offer any kind

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of coherent case. It was all about the last election,

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like transgender you know, high school athletes Now, I think

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that's a super important issue. But the most important issues economics.

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And I think that Donald Trump won this presidency last

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time because most people remembered the good years of his

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first term where the economy was doing very well, and

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those issues were very traditional in a sense. He lowered regulations,

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he cut taxes. He you know, he let businesses thrive,

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and consumers didn't weren't paying. There was no real inflation

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until COVID hit. So I think that that the economy

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is the most important driver. I think every poll shows that,

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and people are worried about that.

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Speaker 2: I think the economy is just a major issue, and

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people vote based on kitchen table issues. And Donald Trump

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hasn't had a bad year in many ways. I mean,

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in fact, he's had a good year in many ways,

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and some of those successes have been domestic, like working

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on the border, reinstituting his deregulatory approach, passing the One

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Big Beautiful Bill, which includes extending his tax cuts. Right, Like,

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some of these things are important and domestic. And then

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some of them were very foreign policy focused, and I

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think historically people don't vote based on foreign policy. And

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also it can give Like if you're too focused on

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foreign policy, whether it's bombing Venezuelan drug voats or bombing

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Iran or working on all of the peace deals that

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he worked on throughout the country, people can say that's good,

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but they would far prefer inflation to be down or

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be able to afford buying a house or their groceries.

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And so his danger that he needs to deal with,

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I think is that he has been a transformative president

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in so many ways, but history is written by the winners,

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and if he doesn't do more to make permanent this

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reformation or revolution that he has instituted, the history is

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going to be written by a bunch of people who

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think he's hitler, and it will not be good for

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the country. And so he should start being a little scared.

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I think, not scared, but he should just understand that

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things are not going in the direction that he wants

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them to be going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I just I feel like a lot

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of candidates and a lot of the institutions, political institutions

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voter cares about neocons or global capitalism or all these

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things that supposedly have destroyed the country and everything. Donald

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He speaks in a much more moderate language in my view,

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and a lot of the candidates pick up on the

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wrong cues. In Virginia, there was just a ton of

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culture war ad at least the ads that I saw

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it was just all about that, and again, important issue

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in a certain way, but not the most important issue.

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is pulling back on some of that. Now, can we

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talk a little bit about this. I saw Donald Trump

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yesterday interviewed on Fox right Laur Ingram. I think, and yeah,

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he was going on about how prices are going down.

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I saw the Treasury Secretary say that prices are going down.

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prices are going down. It's a very bad idea to

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try to gaslight people on this. Prices have gone down

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in certain areas, but in many they have not because

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inflation is compounding. And just because it was nine percent

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under Biden at one point doesn't mean over three percent

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is any good either. I think it's better to say

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we're trying to get this thing under control. It's better

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than to temper that language, not to try to fool people.

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we Republicans should be telling me everyone prices are going down.

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I don't think that most people who go to a

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supermarket field that way. I certainly don't pay attention to

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prices that much. That came off wrong, like I don't

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care about them. I do. I'm not wealthy enough not

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to care about what something costs. But I just don't

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know what things usually cost. But according to the people

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in my family, like meat and other things that we buy,

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our grocery bill is like twice what it was let's say,

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you know, five six years ago. And for people getting

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by paycheck to paycheck, that's a huge issue, and that's

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what should be the major focus of any Republican moving forward. Now.

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I don't know, there's no you know, magic formula to

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fix that. Times it's local government that causes problems, like

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in housing. I don't know what Donald Trump can do

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about housing costs. Maybe get a hold of inflation and

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bring down interest rates, but other than that, I'm not sure.

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So anyway, I just think sometimes people take away the

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wrong lessons from their victory. Is there's no real evidence,

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like you're saying there was a big revolution. But in

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the end, aren't people just concerned about the same stuff.

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They just want it to be done better. They're concerned

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about the economy. They're concerned about, you know, not getting

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dragged into a long war. But then when I look

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at Trump's most popular policies, like peace and Gaza was

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up there. The bombing of Iran is up there. You

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know what I mean? Like people, I don't think people

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care about this neokon isolationist thing. I just think they

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want competent foreign policy that doesn't drag us into long

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term conflicts. Right.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I think you're wrong on all of it.

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I think usually you're wrong on everything.

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Speaker 1: You have everything.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean it that way. What I mean is

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like if you ask people what they thought of the

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Iraq War, they gave it very high marks. And then

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also it was so bad for George W. Bush's presidency

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that he had gotten embroiled in this war and that

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it was dragging on like that that you can't isolate

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it into We took a poll and four hundred Americans

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the weekend after the bombing, and they said they liked it.

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It's like, I don't really care about polling like that.

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You have to be smart enough to also like judge

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the longer term, like the feeling of the people, and

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it's something that polls can help illuminate, but you can't

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rely too much on them. And historically speaking, interventionist wars

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have been deeply unpopular. The other kind are not unpopular,

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you know, the.

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Speaker 1: Wars, the other kind, the wars that are fought in.

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Speaker 2: The national interest that people understand the case for them,

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and that like they're willing to lay down their lives

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for because it's like such an important cause. So not

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just the George Bush example, but you know, we look

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at Lyndon B. Johnson's popularity. People don't love People don't

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love an interventionist foreign policy. People in DC love an

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interventionist foreign policy, people in the arms industry love it.

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And that does fuel a lot of our political debate.

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But it's a good way to drag down a presidency.

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And it's not about like any single act, but about

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where your area of focus is. And as for Donald

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Trump not being a transformational president, I just don't think

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that's true. Like he's there's so many different things that

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his presidency has caused people to rethink, whether it's our

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posture toward China, our approach like even in the Republican Party,

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toward war fighting tariffs, Like I'm not saying that they're popular,

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but they have, but people have been forced to kind

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of think through why they exist and what they're meant

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to accomplish. That's one thing that tariffs are difficult, and

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they do cause, you know, the idea behind them is

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that you have a long term success for your country

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that's painful in the short term. That's never going to

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work in a political system like or it's going to

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be very difficult to make work in a political system

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like ours where you have elections every year to two

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years to four years. But I just think if you

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don't see that Donald Trump has reached shaped the way

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people think about you know, we had crumbling institutions, but

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no permission structure to really talk about it or to

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act like there was something we could do about it.

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And it's back to what I was saying, our immigration policy,

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our foreign policy, our bailout of banks policy, where we

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socialize losses and privatized gains, like really broken things that

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I'm not saying he has fixed all of these things,

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but definitely our conversation about them is very different now

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than when he started. Wouldn't you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: I think the conversation is different on some issues because

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the world has changed from the last time. I don't

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think Donald Trump does it. I don't see the not

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bailing out bank thing. I think Trump is actually quite

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friendly towards banks and stuff. I don't see him doing

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any of that. Also, I don't know what an interventionist

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war means was Vietnam was an interventionist war, correct, And

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Nixon couldn't have been more popular in nineteen seventy two

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when we had five hundred and fifty thousand troops there.

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Speaker 2: But think about how he approached how he approached that

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war too. It wasn't like he was happy to have

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gotten into it. Definitely wanted to see successes and then

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drew out.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. But I'm just saying that that if you

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handle a war in the way that the American people

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like you can, it doesn't ruin your political career. I

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just think almost every war we've ever fought is interventionist.

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I mean, you can make the same You could say

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that nine to eleven caused the Iraq War in some way,

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whether you agree with it or not. I think it

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was unpopular because it was poorly fought in him because

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we were I'm just saying I think it was I

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think it was a mistake. Is Iran's an interventionist war.

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We don't want them to have nuclear web war.

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Speaker 2: There's not a war there, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but if they had nuclear weapons or they

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were on the cusp of it, the Americans would feel

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compelled to stop that because they can.

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Speaker 2: They were on the cusp of it, and we did

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stop it, right so without without a war.

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Speaker 1: Though, but it's still intervention yeah, because the.

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Speaker 2: Behavior bombing and then we left again. I've always said

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this about Afghanistan, that I wanted us to not land

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the planes, and that we did that in Iran, is

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you know much better what I thought was going to

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happen started Well.

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Speaker 1: We had an ally there to fight that war, but

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also more than that we had in Afghanistan, we were

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looking for certain people to get them, so it was

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very difficult not to land there, whereas in Iran we

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were after are.

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Speaker 2: You saying we were looking for Osama bin Laden and others?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think we wanted to displace rules. Listen,

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I agree. I think nation building was a massive disaster.

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I don't think it's ever a good idea unless the

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people there actually want our help. It's a different kind

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of story.

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Speaker 3: Should social media influencers register like lobbyists? Watched All on

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unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how

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it affects your wallet. Some in Congress are proposing that

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paid social media influencers publicly disclose who they represent, especially

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if they're being paid by foreign countries for their causes.

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Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Laura Ingram interview with Donald Trump, and

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I did think, first of all, I thought it was

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a very good interview, and without hearkening back to the

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recent unpleasantness of our last week's conversation, I think because

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she was not cartoonishly hostile, it was in some ways

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a more devastating interview than if she had been cartoonishly hostile,

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like so many people in corporate media are when they

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interview the bad Orange Man. And he had some answers

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that were disconcerting to people. I mean, one thing is,

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as you note, telling people that they're crazy to think

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that the economy is not as great as they would like,

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or that prices are higher than they would like. I mean,

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it's just when Biden did it, and the media, of

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course helped Biden do that, they kept on saying like,

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who are you going to believe us? Or your lying eyes?

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Prices are down, and it just seemed so crazy to me.

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But now the Trump team is kind of doing that themselves,

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and it just seems there hasn't been a great focus

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to this recently, to this term, and his claim that

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there aren't Americans to fill jobs and that's why we

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need to import a bunch of people is probably not

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a message that the base is going to be excited by.

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And maybe he doesn't care and you don't care, and

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you think that it's right that we need mass immigration

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to deal with our stupid idiots here in the US

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who can't get the jobs or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But for a.

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Speaker 2: Populist movement that is doing so much on tariffs to

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also send this message is there's just a conflict there,

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don't you think.

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Speaker 1: Uh No, I think he was right, and he didn't

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say it like you just did and framed it that way.

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He said that bringing in the best talent from other

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countries to help us work in certain industries is good

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for America. He's right, of course, because the economy is

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not a zero sum proposition, and it helps other Americans

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when we have big industries. If you look at a

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lot of our most successful sectors, there are people from

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other countries who come here. It's like, so this person

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put a picture up of the moon landing and everyone

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flying the flags and saying, what did foreigners have to

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do with this? Like von braun ran the program. But anyway,

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you can bring people here who are great from other

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countries to help us do things. I would if you

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want to bring fewer of them that or whatever. I mean.

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You know, you have to calibrate these things. I completely agree.

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But this hostility towards towards immigration legal immigration now which

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I knew is headed in this direction, is very off

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putting to me, obviously because of my family history, but

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I think is off putting to a lot of people.

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You are not going to win any elections attacking people

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with funny names all the time, which is a big

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thing going on now among the you know, nat Con

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heritage Americans. I think that we need better assimilation for immigration,

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I think we need to diversify or immigration. We don't

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want people coming here to say all those things. But

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the idea that immigration is somehow destroying this country is ludicrous.

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And so I like that Trump did that. I mean,

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this proves to me that a lot of the people

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who pretend to form his sort of intellectual firepower behind

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him are actually out of touch with what Donald Trump

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actually believes. That's what I think, and what most Americans

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are not anti immag gration.

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Speaker 2: I saw this thing about how Colorado ski resorts are

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scrambling to find people to work because normally they just

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have a bunch of people foreigners working at the ski slopes.

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And I'm sure you think that's like an industry that

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Americans can't work in or something they don't have the skills.

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But it was cracking me up that ski resorts that

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charge hundreds of dollars per lift ticket we're upset that

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they might have to pay Americans more to work at

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ski resorts.

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Speaker 1: You deserve what a person wants to give you. That's

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how the world works. I just can't even believe that

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the rights embracing this nonsense that we have to that

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profit margin should be lowered. Don't they understand that other

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jobs are created by those profits. I mean, a person

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who is punching a ticket cannot be making thirty dollars

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an hour or whatever. I don't even know what what

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they make. I mean, it's ridiculous, but that's fine. If

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you want to shut it off. People are going to

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pay more for things, and then they're going to complain

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about that. So at some point, and by the way,

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I think the tariff regime is a complete failure. Long term.

484
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Short term won't matter. But I see that Donald Trump's

485
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already pulling back on tariffs, and he has since since

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Liberation Day because he understands that it causes inflation.

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Speaker 2: Back to this claim that you know, it's not a

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zero sum game, I think that's the argument of the

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people who think mass uncontrolled immigration has not been good

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for the country.

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Speaker 1: There is a mass, there's illegal mass. Are you are

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you conflating the two. You're saying that our legal immigration

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policy is mass and uncontrolled.

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Speaker 2: I love hearing that you are a big fan of

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our mass controlled legal immigration policies of recent decades. But

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it has of course fundamentally changed the nature of the country.

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I mean, you look at the what happened in New

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York City with the election of Mom Donnie, a true

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radical as mayor and among native born. So first of all,

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New York City does not require citizenship to vote, So

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I don't know, but I don't know what the percentage

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of people who are not citizens who are voting in

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New York City are. But for foreign born versus native

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born populations, you had a completely different populace.

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Speaker 1: Right, and native born to New York not native born

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to America.

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Speaker 2: So well, I thought it was I thought it was

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too America. But if you look at like Virginia, for instance,

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native born voting population of Virginia versus foreign born voting

510
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of population of Virginia, and I do believe that is

511
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a metric that they judge based on born America, it

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is again a dramatically different voting population. It's just true

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that since the sixties we have not just brought in

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a ton of people, but also had a very different

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or non existent, non existent assimilation effort. If you can't see, like,

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if you don't experience that just by your life of

517
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seeing how different populations are different, Like the Somali population

518
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,839
in Minnesota is different than the native born population in Minnesota,

519
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and it has an effect on who they're voting for

520
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and what their culture is like. Like, just pretending it's

521
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not happening is no answer to people's concerns.

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Speaker 1: Here. You are not debating with what I said. I

523
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do think that our assimilation problem has because of the

524
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left that doesn't want these people to assimilate. They want

525
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multicultural America is a huge problem, prob I think that

526
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we need more diversity in our immigration policy, and I

527
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think that we need to bring in people.

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Speaker 2: Who will be good diversity in our immigration.

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Speaker 1: So we don't have a million people coming from one area.

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Like you can't have millions of Mexicans coming over with

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border and then clustering in a city because that is

532
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they're not going to assimilate. They're here legally, many of them.

533
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,279
That's wrong. Or if you bring a bunch of people

534
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from Islamic countries who are not assimilating and integrating and

535
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then bunch up in places, it's a bad that's a problem.

536
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But since the sixties, I'm here because of the stuff

537
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that happened since the sixties. I think my families are

538
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great Americans. Like, so they assimilated, you're not here because

539
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,480
of stay. Yeah. My parents came in here in nineteen

540
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,400
sixty nine, right, and they had funny names too, and

541
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they came here with nothing like a lot of people,

542
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and they integrated and were successful. I don't understand why

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we can't have any more of that.

544
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Speaker 2: Where were you born?

545
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Speaker 1: I was born here, but barely so I would be

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one of the people who is a problem in this country.

547
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I don't think so. I think I'm a great asset

548
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to this great nation, right, I mean some days, but

549
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I say, cool and quick thing about this. By the way, Okay,

550
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let's say you're right. Let's say we cut off immigration tomorrow. Right.

551
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You're never going to win elections if you don't start

552
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making a case to people who are here already in

553
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:28,119
citizens like this idea. I see online that you're going

554
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to start revoking O the door.

555
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Speaker 2: David Harsani just made an argument based on whether it's

556
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politically palatable. No, it's I thought you didn't do that.

557
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,400
You don't care about winning coalitions or political success.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you an argument, a theoretical that we shut

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off immigration, which I don't think we'll do. I don't

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think anyone actually wants or most people don't want that completely,

561
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but let's say we lower it whatever it is. You're

562
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not going to win elections if you don't appeal to

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immigrants and the children of immigrants. I think most times,

564
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after a few generations, immigrants become like everyone else essentially.

565
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But you can't be an anti immigrant party in a

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country that has a ton of immigrants in a lot

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of places that you need to win. That's just the

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fact of politics. I think we should be trying to

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integrate and assimilate these people.

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Speaker 2: But I actually just want to put a pin in

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that because my friends and family, who are themselves immigrants,

572
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tend to be the most anti current immigration policy of

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people I.

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Speaker 1: Know immigration or illegal immigration.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so definitely they're anti illegal immigration. They worked really

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hard to become citizens or to come here. There are

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lots of complaints they have about the difficulty of becoming

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a citizen. But they also are not necessarily super fans

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of mess migration. I'm just pointing that out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what is What is mass immigration? Like?

581
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What number? What number would you say, how many people

582
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do think we should let in every year?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think I tend to be less pro mass

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immigration than a lot of people on the right. I'm

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not sure if I'm for anywhere near the numbers that

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we're having actually, or like, maybe a better way to

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put it is, we've had so many people in the

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last sixty years that it would be okay to kind

589
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of ease way up now. Okay, but I don't have numbers.

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I'm just saying I think wages are way too low

591
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for people who live here. Not enough is being done

592
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to make us a cohesive society. We are vulnerable to

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attack from outsiders. And I understand that there can be

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need for particular areas. I don't think the ski resorts

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of Colorado need mass migration to make themselves operate well.

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I do have family members who work in that industry,

597
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and they would you know, that is a thing you

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can be employed in and the wages are kept artificially

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low I think through too many work visas for that area.

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Speaker 1: Wages are dramatically high in this country, the highest in

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the world per capita.

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Speaker 2: On the idea relative to the prices that you were

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just complaining about.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you don't think that there's inflation in European countries

605
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that have that close off their borders like we have.

606
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Far better economic success with immigration that grows the economy

607
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and actually bring the salaries up. I'm not saying in

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every single I'm not saying that in I don't know

609
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,599
enough about the Colorado ski industry, okay, but in general,

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the idea that our wages are depressed because people come

611
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,559
here is just simply not true. I'm sorry. I know everyone,

612
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,320
I'm going to get a million letters, angry letters, but

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that's not how the economy works.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm going to go skiing here soon

615
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over Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: And are you a skier?

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Speaker 2: So I can't say that I am because I literally

618
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have not skied in twenty years. But I certainly used

619
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to be a skier, and I failed to raise my

620
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children to be skiers. They were taught some snowboarding by

621
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some family members because Mark, of course is a snowboarder.

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But I think we're going to do some light skiing

623
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here over Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: We got off track there, We're talking about skiing Colorado.

625
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What is next on our agenda here?

626
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Speaker 2: How about the BBC? Did you hear that story?

627
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm kind of taken aback by the anger because

628
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I just assumed everyone knew this is what the bbccy

629
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has been doing forever right. So essentially, at least the

630
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claim is I don't I believe it. The claim I'm

631
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,960
just saying that this is the claim is that the

632
00:36:52,960 --> 00:37:00,400
BBC basically doctored Donald Trump's Well, first of there's a

633
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,679
numerous things that they have done. They had to correct

634
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every week at least once, so we correct a story

635
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that they had about Gaza for being completely.

636
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Speaker 2: Wrong or was it too Twice a week, I think

637
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twice a week on average, twice a week they had

638
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,159
to correct errors that went one percent in the direction

639
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of pro Hamas.

640
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Speaker 1: Then they doctored on the January sixth speech of Donald Trump.

641
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They took out the words where they were what did

642
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,000
he say like peacefully? They doctored out the part where

643
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,159
he says push back peacefully and patriotically. I think it

644
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,400
was so they took out that part.

645
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Speaker 2: It's so much worse than that. They took like a

646
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,719
few words from the beginning of the speech and a

647
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,800
few words at the sec at the very end with

648
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,760
like it was an hour long speech, as any of

649
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,760
us who suffered through it knows, and they took out

650
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like an hour to make it sound like he was

651
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,360
telling people to go riot I mean, it wasn't like

652
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,920
a whoopsie. It was a full on, malicious, deceptive edit,

653
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:05,000
as understood also by an internal review that they had

654
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:09,239
which detailed the problems journalistically with the propaganda that they

655
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were pushing.

656
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Speaker 1: The States should never run media organizations. It is preposterous

657
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because the role of media is to keep One of

658
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,159
the roles of media is to keep government honest. So

659
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:26,519
how could to keep government honest? But I think Donald

660
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Trump has demanded a full and fair retraction and is

661
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,679
going to sue if not, is going to sue the

662
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,480
BBC for a billion dollars.

663
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Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's interesting because unlike in the

664
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United States, the British libel laws are so much easier

665
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:50,239
to sue under and people can and do win huge

666
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:56,480
awards for stuff nowhere even near this bad. And this

667
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,840
was not an editing error. This was against licing together

668
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,840
two small sections an hour apart in a speech, or

669
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fifty four minutes apart in a speech, to make it

670
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,239
appear that he said something he never said, and he

671
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,280
would definitely have a good case. I have found it

672
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,760
interesting how people have responded to it. So first of

673
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,159
all the fact that Trump or his supporters were upset

674
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,280
with what was done is appalling some people they're like,

675
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,639
how dare he notice what we did? This is why

676
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:34,079
we have to have state media, which doesn't even make sense,

677
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:38,440
as you point out for an argument. Other people are

678
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:43,440
trying to defend what the BBC did or point out

679
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,280
that the BBC puts together some excellent TV shows, like

680
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,000
drama shows, and they're like, well, if he went after

681
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:55,239
the BBC for lying about him for political gain, then

682
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that might hurt our stories.

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Speaker 1: Just like again, I hadn't thought of that. I don't

684
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want their story is limited. I like the bb but you.

685
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Speaker 2: Could get stories through a million other ways. There's a

686
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,920
political issue coming on, which is that an alternate TV

687
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,239
network has just shot up in the last year, gb News,

688
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,440
which is sort of like I think you could kind

689
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,400
of call it the Fox News of Great Britain, and

690
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,119
Nigel Farage is involved in that, and he of course

691
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,079
is doing like really well in the polls for Prime Minister,

692
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and so there's that kind of component in there. The

693
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Telegraph was the one that exposed the BBC and exposed

694
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that there was this internal review that showed just how

695
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,719
intentional and deceptive this was, and that there's an institutional

696
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,039
bias problem at the BBC. Again to your point, David,

697
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anyone with two brain cells can watch the BBC and

698
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:59,119
be like, whoa are they biased? But somehow this is

699
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,880
big news, which makes you wonder how stupid the Brits are, Like,

700
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I never knew that that the BBC had a problem

701
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Herely it's a release awesome accident.

702
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Speaker 1: Yeah hello, the uh the uh. The BBC is has

703
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you know, supposedly independent, but the the board that regulates

704
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,119
the BBC charter is appointed by the government and every

705
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,800
brit I think maybe poor people don't have to has

706
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,960
to pay like one hundred and seventy five pounds a

707
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,639
year for the for a TV you know, the TV license.

708
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So it seems to me like that is a way

709
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:47,199
to set up a corrupt, a corrupt network, especially for news.

710
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I've always said this and I think it's true here too,

711
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,519
like PBS and NPR was that. Yes, I do think

712
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:57,480
the BBC will make educational programming or interesting programming that

713
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,519
doesn't have as much commercial viability because because they're helped

714
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:05,159
by the state. But I don't understand why rich people

715
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,400
can't fund that. I you know, the whole thing is

716
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,840
a news section of it is corrupt. So none of

717
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,760
these networks let Donald Trump win. They always give in

718
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,000
and then set right. I mean like CBS didn't take

719
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:21,840
it all the way to trial, right, I think you

720
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,400
sued someone else. It doesn't seem like they would allow

721
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:28,559
allow this to go to trial, right. They would probably

722
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:29,280
work something out.

723
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,159
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know enough about the British

724
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,599
legal system. I just have observed over many years that

725
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:41,559
people are frequently winning defamation suits against British media in

726
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,519
a way that would never work in the US because

727
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:49,719
we have, oddly enough artificially high standards for suing for defamation.

728
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:54,920
Some really interesting jurisp or some legal analysis out there

729
00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:03,920
about how our New York Times Versus ruling makes it

730
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,519
so that it is more difficult to sue the media

731
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,079
than it was at the time of the American founding,

732
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,000
when we inverted the situation where it used to be

733
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,599
that the more prominent you were, the better case you

734
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:21,480
had for defamation, and the less prominent you were it

735
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:25,480
was more difficult to win a suit that way. And

736
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,760
New York Times versus Sullivan just flips it on its head,

737
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,039
where if you are a person of any renown you

738
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,519
basically can't go after the media if they lie about you,

739
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,280
And so a lot of people have been talking about

740
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,719
the need to revisit that, including Justice Thomas has mentioned

741
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,480
that in some of his descents. Lawrence Silberman, the Great

742
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:52,760
Lower Court judge, wrote beautifully about that as well. So

743
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,239
it's definitely something that needs revisiting because it just has

744
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,440
no basis in our common law history. It's not an

745
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,599
originalist argument for it. But it also makes media people

746
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,599
nervous because you don't want, you know, we do so

747
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,559
well in our situation with having great protections for those

748
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:16,440
who practice journalism. Obviously the abuse of that puts everybody

749
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,159
at risk. But I do agree it's time to revisit

750
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,239
a bad decision, which New York Times versus Sullivan is

751
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,079
a bad decision.

752
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,519
Speaker 1: I kind of worry about the chilling of speech if

753
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,679
we were like Britain, where every you know, people are

754
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,559
constantly being sued, Journalists are constant being sued, and for

755
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,440
good reasons, but sometimes just for reasons of I don't

756
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,639
remember specific cases, but just for reasons to kind of

757
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,199
shut down investigations, which also happens. But yeah, it is

758
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,079
a lot easier in Britain. To sue for defamation. Finally,

759
00:44:52,159 --> 00:45:00,480
let's talk about the antifa violence at Berkeley during a

760
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:07,840
TPUSA event. It seemed pretty bad. Actually, even though people

761
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,960
tell me antifa is not violent, they're only anti fascist,

762
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,400
They're not terroristic whatsoever. There's no leadership, Molly, how could

763
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,119
they be terrorists?

764
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,559
Speaker 2: I mean, antifa is just an idea, is what I

765
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:21,199
hear from Democrat politicians. It doesn't have any manifestation at

766
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:25,880
all in the form of rioters who kill people. Yeah,

767
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,960
there was a TPUSA event at Berkeley. Berkeley has had

768
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,320
a history of violence against speech events. During the first

769
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,199
Trump presidency, there was an event there that turned into

770
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,320
an absolute riot. The media blamed the victims of the

771
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:48,400
riot for that riot. Trump said something about how if

772
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:54,719
this continued, then UC Berkeley would lose its federal subsidies

773
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,480
and taxpayer funding. That never happened, and UC Berkeley is

774
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:03,880
as bad as as it ever was. And you know,

775
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:08,559
someone motivated by antifa ideology, according to you know, the

776
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:12,920
bullets that he engraved and other things he said, murdered

777
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,320
Charlie Kirk. Assassinated him on a college campus two months ago,

778
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,920
and very little to nothing has been done to protect

779
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,599
speech on campus to go after the adherents of the

780
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,199
murderous ideology. You know, that's targeting people on the right.

781
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,719
And we talked earlier about like why would you vote Republican?

782
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:44,440
And the complete and utter impotence of Republicans who are

783
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,239
in power in Congress and the presidency right now to

784
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:53,119
do anything to protect the tens of millions of conservatives

785
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:56,480
in the country is just an abomination. I think.

786
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:01,639
Speaker 1: It is ironic that the free speech movement of the sixties.

787
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:04,199
I think in nineteen sixty four began at UC Berkeley

788
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,400
when the administration wouldn't let some student groups put out

789
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:12,639
tables for their information or whatever it was, and that's

790
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,199
where it blew up. And now you have the students

791
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,679
themselves shutting down. You know, minority voices there, but legitimate

792
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,639
political voice. I mean, all political voices are legitimate to

793
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,519
be heard. I don't know. I guess I just don't

794
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,599
you say Republicans are incompetent here or whatever or impotent.

795
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,880
I would say that there's only so much they can

796
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,079
really do to force UC Berkeley to change, and one

797
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:40,280
of them would be to strip them of federal funding.

798
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,679
President can do that too. By the way, they have

799
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,480
a seven point four billion dollar endowment. I'm not sure

800
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:49,519
why we should be giving federal funds to any of

801
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:53,039
these schools anyway, I have zero I don't want my

802
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,960
tax dollars going to places that teach radicalism, teach people

803
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,960
to hate America, teach people to hate Jewish people, people

804
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,320
walk around with kafeas and stuff, like, my money is

805
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:11,559
going to subsidize their educations. Now, if a school needs

806
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,599
that money for science and all of that, that's great.

807
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,480
So get you know, make sure that minority voices can

808
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:18,559
be heard in those schools, or strip them of their funding.

809
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,599
So I hope Donald Trump thinks about that. The amount

810
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,559
of money these institutions get from the federal government is

811
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:28,320
mind boggling to me sometimes, especially schools like Harvard and Columbia.

812
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: In that interview that you love Donald Trump, what he

813
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:36,119
said Laura Ingram was asking why he's handing out hundreds

814
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:39,400
of thousands of visas to Chinese students, and he was like,

815
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,679
and how is that maga? And he was like, well,

816
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:45,079
it's maga because if I didn't do that, then half

817
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:48,480
of the colleges out there would fail. I was like,

818
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,920
what's the problem, you know, like this idea that we

819
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,480
need to insulate colleges from any market forces, which is

820
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,840
all we do through our federal loan programs, and otherwise

821
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:05,199
it's insane And what good have they done the country.

822
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:08,159
I mean, yeah, they're training a lot of Chinese students

823
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:11,920
to go cause harm to the US. Good good for them.

824
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,280
But yeah, they absolutely should be required to protect speech

825
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,000
on campus.

826
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,039
Speaker 1: On foreign students and visas, I am not against the

827
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:29,159
United States having an immigration policy that helps us. I

828
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:32,719
think immigrants help us in general, but as far as

829
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,280
schools go, I would not give visas out to anyone

830
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,039
who isn't getting like a STEM degree, And I think

831
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,400
you could put a stipulation on those visas that you

832
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,840
have to stay in the United States for a certain

833
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,480
amount of time or something that helps this country. There's

834
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:49,840
no schools love foreign students because they pay full freight

835
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,000
and they're paying cash. A lot of times it's usually rich,

836
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:56,199
rich kids who get to come here from other countries.

837
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:59,679
So I have no problem making having some limitation on that.

838
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,199
Speaker 2: A million years ago, when I was in college and

839
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,760
I was studying economics, we had a bunch of students

840
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,639
paying bulk right from other countries. Usually it was like

841
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,239
former Soviet Republic countries and they were always cheating, and

842
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:20,400
the professors were told that they had different cultural like,

843
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,800
they had a different culture in which cheating wasn't a problem,

844
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:28,480
and so they should corrupt culture shouldn't be marked down.

845
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,920
And I was friends with some of my professors and

846
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,239
they were just like utterly appalled at the lowering of standards.

847
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,159
So that these kids who see.

848
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about right there, that kind of

849
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,239
thinking undermind's assimilation. We should be holding these people to

850
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,519
the same standards everyone else has in this country, and

851
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,639
kind of moral relativism over what culture is good or

852
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:58,199
how people view culture or the things that they do.

853
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,079
I mean, I've been to Eastern and in Central Europe

854
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,320
and I was there years ago, and yeah, it's a

855
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,719
much I don't know if Americans realized how corrupt a

856
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,559
lot of these places are in how every people deal

857
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,360
with everyday life. We should not be importing that, we

858
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,920
should be lifting up people who come here. I completely agree.

859
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,199
I think Eastern Europeans, though, are pretty good immigrants in general.

860
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:23,960
I think they love America. Let me tell you another thing,

861
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,079
just quick thing about immigrants, just from my own experience

862
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,039
in my own life. I think that the immigrants I

863
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,360
knew who were connected to me and my family, who

864
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,199
came mostly from Hungary in places like that, were more

865
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,880
patriotic than a lot of these students. I'll tell you

866
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,199
they're probably more patriotic than ninety nine percent of the

867
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,360
students that are on the UC Berkeley campus. I think

868
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,320
they were very grateful to be here. I think they

869
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,239
love this country and they embraced the ideals of this country,

870
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,880
and that's what we want. Who was online saying this,

871
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,159
I mean confitting, what's that?

872
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,599
Speaker 2: Who are these people who love America more?

873
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,599
Speaker 1: Just the people that I knew growing up, who were

874
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,199
immigrants from Central and Eastern Europe that I knew. I

875
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,519
think they were happy escape communism. I think they love

876
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,400
this country. I don't think they wanted to go back.

877
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,079
I don't think they wanted to import those ideas here. Yeah. Sure,

878
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,079
some of their cultural things they brought with them, but

879
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,440
I don't think the political aspect of that world was

880
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,000
brought here. I think they were happy for a fair

881
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:19,159
shot meritocratic world that they lived in here, which you

882
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:23,039
don't get elsewhere. I'm just saying, you know, the.

883
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,519
Speaker 2: Culture that you're from actually does matter a lot for

884
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,599
the ease with which you will assimilate to a new country.

885
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,480
And I was thinking about this with someone saying that

886
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,719
all these people are coping with the Mom Donnie lost

887
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,039
by being like, oh, well, when he institutes his policies,

888
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,880
things will get worse and then they'll vote him out.

889
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,159
And someone was like, a lot of these people are

890
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:48,559
coming from third world countries, Like things could get much, much,

891
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,320
much worse and they would still be better than the

892
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,280
country that they're from. And so like the idea that

893
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,119
they're gonna things are gonna get so bad that people

894
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:02,679
will vote differently suggest that peopeople don't understand, you know,

895
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,639
the nature of where they're from or why they're trying

896
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:06,719
to escape.

897
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: Blaming immigrants for that. And I do think a lot

898
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,599
of non natives obviously voted for Mom Donnie, though there

899
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:16,719
were areas and people who did not. The biggest immigrant

900
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,119
who helped him win in New York was the socialist, white,

901
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,320
upwardly mobile couple who lives in rich neighborhoods in Brooklyn

902
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,199
and Manhattan. And we have to come to terms with

903
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,880
that a lot, that this is only a success because

904
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,760
of them as well, and stop pretending those are heritage Americans.

905
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,599
I'm sure a lot of their last names are Waspy

906
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,199
or whatever, and we just kind of want to blame

907
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,880
the immigrant for this when there are a lot of

908
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,239
other people involved in this. The biggest voting block for

909
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,800
the Socialists seems to be single women and Pumpkins need

910
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,840
to find a way. I get that it's easy to

911
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,960
make fun of Karen's and all that, I don't actually

912
00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:59,199
love it, and I think there has to be a

913
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:01,320
way to reach out to those people as well, to

914
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,000
try to bring them over. They're more important than Greiper's,

915
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:06,159
you know, and we have them on our podcasts like

916
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:07,079
Why Not.

917
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,119
Speaker 2: I wrote about this issue in like twenty fourteen, and

918
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:17,079
this situation has gotten so much worse since then. People

919
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,199
blame women for the stupid way they vote, but really

920
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:24,719
it's single women who vote stupidly. Married women tend to

921
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:30,559
vote in a much more reasonable way. Clearly, marriage is

922
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,880
an important thing for the health of the country, including

923
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,159
because it affects the way women vote, and also young

924
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:40,760
men not being able to get married is causing problems

925
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:47,039
for them as well. Trying to solve these things politically

926
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,920
is just not going to work. There needs to be

927
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:55,239
a mass movement to encourage marriage at younger ages. It's

928
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,400
just good for everybody. It's good for the happiness of

929
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,159
men and women, for society, for the children they produce.

930
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,920
Like everyone should be talking about it all the time

931
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,599
with their family, just encouraging good, strong, solid marriages.

932
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,079
Speaker 1: I mean, it's people might not like to hear it,

933
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:14,400
but this all began when women went into the workforce,

934
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,519
and that you know, they work, women they go to college.

935
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: Well, that message is going to not work well for the.

936
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying this is I'm not even saying

937
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,199
it's a bad thing, honestly, I'm just saying that that

938
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,719
because of that, people get married later. People have started

939
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,679
having children later, so they have few of them, and

940
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,920
that is the kind of one of the core issues.

941
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,920
I'm not sure there's going to be any way to

942
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,599
change that dynamic. So I agree. I think a lot

943
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,719
of young people choose not to get married because they

944
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,159
they think they can't or it's too expensive, or the

945
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,360
career is more important or whatever. It's never going to

946
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,360
be the same, you know, it's never going to be

947
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,239
the same as it was when women weren't in the workforce.

948
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,559
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just thinking, how so desperately

949
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:01,159
I'd like to be out of the workforce right now.

950
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,599
I would make such a good stay at home life.

951
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:11,360
My house would be in a much better situation.

952
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:16,159
Speaker 1: I tell you, I agree, I would like to get

953
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:19,280
out of the workforce myself. I do notice, though, that

954
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whenever i'm I need to take time off, I'm stressed out. Stupidly,

955
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I stress myself out with what's going on. But I'm

956
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like I need. I am far more stressed out when

957
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I'm not working than when I am, like I feel

958
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like I need to do something. I don't know that

959
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I could ever retire. I'm not sure everyone anyone will

960
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pay me when I get older. How long that's going

961
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going to happen. But I cannot sit around and be

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on vacation like it. I get very fidgety.

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Speaker 2: I can I cannot wait for Thanksgiving? Okay, So any

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cultural things of note?

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Speaker 1: Yeah somewhere, oh here, Yeah, I have three things. The

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first is I watch with my wife The Ten Commandments.

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Speaker 2: The movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen it in a long time. With

969
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Charlton Heston wanted to see how how you know, how

970
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how faithful it was to the to the Bible and

971
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I would say it is not but more than I

972
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thought it would be. You know, there's there's a love

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story involved and stuff that didn't happen. But the reason

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we watched it was my wife had read this piece

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about the special effects that we're using the movie and

976
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how revolutionary they were at the time, and when you

977
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see them, they're actually pretty cool. You know. There was

978
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a lot of innovations there, and it was it's it's

979
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just a fun movie. I'm sure most people have seen it.

980
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I have watched a documentary on Netflix called Wickest Pain.

981
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It's about the John Wick movies, but it's actually about

982
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the innovations and stunts and the people who do them.

983
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I thought it was interesting if you're into that. And

984
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then I have my most important cultural piece here. I

985
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watched a new show on Apple called Pluribus. It is

986
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made by the person who did Breaking Bad. It stars

987
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I think her name is Rhea Seahorn, who was in

988
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Better Call Saul. I don't how can I put this.

989
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I was it's so intrigued. The show is incredibly intriguing.

990
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I can't even tell you what the plot is because

991
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I would ruin a very big surprise off the bat.

992
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It's science fiction y, it's kind of a little edgy.

993
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It's She's amazing in it. I watched two episode episodes.

994
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I believe this, this show is I'm not one thousand

995
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percent sold on it. I need a few more episodes,

996
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but right right now, I think it's one of the

997
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best things I've seen in a very long time. Like,

998
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I highly recommend it, highly recommend it.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it has kind of a little bit of a

1001
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it's kind of a conflict, a mix of X Files

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and bad Breaking.

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Speaker 2: Bad love it, love hearing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it has the potential to be one of the

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when you know, just one of the great shows I

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think that I've seen in many, many years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Like you're over selling it though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I don't I'm not. It's like it,

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you know, there are a lot of shows, right they

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have a premise and they set up the show and

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you're completely intrigued and and and it's compelling and you

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want to watch more, and then it really has no

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place to go. I worry about that here, But so

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far it's been great. Let's just put that way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, and yourself nothing, okay, great. I just have

1016
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been busy with all sorts of things, and one of

1017
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the kids was in a play. Oh do that.

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Speaker 1: You make me feel like a loser when I'm like,

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here are the fifteen things that I watched like I

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was too busy working and.

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Speaker 2: Does remind me that One of the kids was telling

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me that they had a friend who listened to us,

1023
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and the kid was like, I don't know why you

1024
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listen to my mom. That is so boring.

1025
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. You can email the show and yell

1026
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at us or me about the immigration stuff at radio.

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At the Federalist dot com, Molly loves to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: It was back next week and I.

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Speaker 1: Told them be lotters of freedom. I'm anxious for the friend.