WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:07.120 You're listening to episode sixty four of GameSpot after Dark. 2 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:11.359 This week, we're joined by Cirio Vasquez to talk about amnesia, rebirth, hades, 3 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:23.600 and fasmophobia. Hello and welcome to episode sixty four of 4 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:25.839 game Spot after Dark. I'm your host Jake Decker, and 5 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:30.280 joining me this week is Lucy James Ay, Kelly Plaguey Hello, 6 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:35.079 and Sirial Vasquez. Hello. Thank you so much for joining us. 7 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:36.600 I'm glad to be here. 8 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:40.280 Before we get into what we've been playing, we like 9 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:43.719 to do the Chris from Dayton, Ohio segment, but Up Up, 10 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:50.399 Up Christ, that's our little song. So basically, this is 11 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:52.719 just an opportunity for you to tell our listeners a 12 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:54.439 little bit about yourself. What kind of games you like 13 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:57.280 to play, what games you come back to, what are 14 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:59.560 some of your favorite games. In fact, it doesn't even 15 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:01.359 have to be about games, if there's other stuff you 16 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:04.200 want to talk about, and maybe a little bit about 17 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:05.879 how you got into the industry and whatnot. 18 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.040 Yeah, so I've been kind of writing kind of back 19 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:13.680 and forth. I was a former gaming former associate editor, 20 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:16.680 but I've been doing you know, freelance basically before and 21 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.680 after just writing about you know, random video games, but 22 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.640 a lot of it is just like I end up 23 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:24.319 falling down like a lot of fighting game and DODA 24 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.359 stuff because I a lot of people weren't covering that 25 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.519 at the time, So you know, I have like almost 26 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:32.319 four thousand hours of DODA logged at this point. 27 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:35.920 So that was mostly. 28 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:37.680 Launched my career in a way because it was no 29 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:39.239 one was writing about DODA, and it was like kind 30 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:41.239 of a lot of people saw it as, oh, you 31 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:43.680 know esports, right, you can write about esports. That's popular. 32 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:45.599 So that's kind of how I got my foot in 33 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:49.560 the door. So yeah, then I started writing about fighting 34 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:52.519 games as well, but I'm more mostly like an action 35 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.719 heavy kind of guy. But it's also weird because like 36 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:57.439 every once in a while I'll sneak in like a 37 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:59.760 really cool, like story based game, like right now, I 38 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.799 think Kentucky About Zero is probably my favorite game this year. 39 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:04.480 And then. 40 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:07.120 So every once in a while and like this School 41 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:08.960 Easim I really like last year. So it's kind of 42 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:11.039 a mix between like really like really intense games. I 43 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:12.759 like games that are like all about story or all 44 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.400 about action in a way. So that's sort of where 45 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:17.039 I'm at. Like a lot of dark soul stuff I'm 46 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:19.360 really into. So that's sort of where I'm at. 47 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.120 Well, this is a disco Elysium podcast. I would say 48 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:25.840 at least it was last year, because that's like all 49 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:27.240 we talked about every episode. 50 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:29.159 Yeah, that game's great. I love it. 51 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:33.360 You're also a frequent host on mid max too, right, Yeah. 52 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.039 Yeah, I do a podcast over at mid Max, So 53 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:37.879 we do a podcast every week, and we do some 54 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.520 streams as well, So I talk about games on there 55 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.240 as well, So you can find me there at YouTube 56 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.439 dot com slash mid Max Show I believe is the 57 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.599 u r L. Or to support us on Patreon because 58 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.400 we're in independent media, So Patreon dot com slash Midmax 59 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:51.719 I believe is the u r L. 60 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.599 Hell yeah, and you've been doing some reviews for us, 61 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.360 which we'll touch on later in the what we've been 62 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:59.639 playing section? Actually, why don't we just start with you 63 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.280 what you've what have you been playing? Cereal? 64 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:03.000 Yeah, so I'm still playing Hades. 65 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:07.520 Several weeks later, I'm at a well, the Epic Game 66 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:11.199 Store thing doesn't count ours directly, it just says days, 67 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:16.360 and I'm at like five days worth of because like, 68 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:18.479 I think that game does such a fantastic job of 69 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:23.000 doling out rewards and having all these like quests basically 70 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:24.759 like they're cult prophecies where it's like, oh, do you 71 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:27.560 like get every boot, every like upgrade for every weapon, 72 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:29.800 you know, every randomized buff that you can get. And 73 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.039 so I've been kind of picking away at those, and 74 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.479 some of the relationships with like the different gods and 75 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:39.199 stuff are take a little while to figure out, so 76 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:40.479 I've been I've been doing a lot of that. And 77 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:42.639 there's also like the heat system, which if you've played 78 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.120 say the Spires, kind of similar where you can apply 79 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.479 different kind of difficulty modifiers and so and that applies 80 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.919 like one heat per modifier, and so I'm at like 81 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.319 around fifteen sixteen heat at this point with each of 82 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.800 the weapons. And so I've been kind of slowly built 83 00:03:57.840 --> 00:03:59.960 making the runs harder and harder, and still you know, 84 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.240 getting upgrades and stuff. So that game has a long 85 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:05.000 tail for a single player game, which I'm really excited about. 86 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:08.000 It seems like it people are so into it on Twitter. 87 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.919 I haven't had a chance to play as much as 88 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:13.879 i'd like, but what I played was very, very good. 89 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.600 You mentioned that Kentucky Route Zero was your favorite game, 90 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.279 so far this year. However, it sounds like you've played 91 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.439 a ton of Hades. Yeah, are they like pretty neck 92 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:24.759 and neck? You'd say, yeah. 93 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:27.720 I oscillate between like which one I like more, because 94 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.959 clearly I have more time in Hades, But it's you know, 95 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:31.759 Kentucky Rad zero is not. 96 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:33.759 A long tail game. You know, you can't just like, 97 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.079 you know, play that over and over again. 98 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:39.680 But I am considering I've played it basically one and 99 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:41.079 a half times at this point because I played the 100 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.199 episodes as they came out until episode four of Kentucky 101 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.120 Rod zero, and then I played the whole game again 102 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:48.079 when it came out on Switch, and I'm kind of 103 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.319 thinking about okay, am I just kind of applying like 104 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:53.600 roastented glasses to that game because it hit me in 105 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.199 a really good moment and it was like right before 106 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:56.879 the pandemic, so it was like kind of like the 107 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.160 last like I really enjoy that. I'm really happy right now. 108 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.399 I'm having a lot of fun because that was also 109 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.639 like I went to Japan earlier this year, and that 110 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:05.800 was like on the edges of that where I played 111 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:07.959 it before and after my trip, so I was like, ah, 112 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:09.519 I was kind of maybe on the high of of 113 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.759 going you know, traveling abroad. So I do want to 114 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.079 play it again. But that game, I think still is incredible. 115 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:18.560 I love it totally. I didn't finish it. I still 116 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.839 plan on going back and finishing it, but the music 117 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:22.040 was so good. 118 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:24.959 Yeah, and it's it was so fun to see I 119 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.720 guess the fictional band in that game, June Bug, ended 120 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:32.279 up releasing an album, I think earlier this month, I 121 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.439 think where Yeah, and the single was like the big 122 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:37.160 song that they have in the game, but they also 123 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.079 had a bunch of other like weird ambient song cause 124 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.399 that's that game is a lot of ambient music that 125 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:43.279 is really good. 126 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:46.319 But they had like a whole music video for for. 127 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.000 Like one of their songs, because I think part of 128 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.600 it is that, like they're this weird concept group. 129 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.839 But yeah, I've been like that. That music. I've been 130 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:56.040 enjoying all year, you know. 131 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:57.959 In a way, which is maybe the closest thing to 132 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.879 like having played one hundred hours of Hades, is I've 133 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.959 been listening and thinking about Kentucky Road Zero basically all year. 134 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.680 I am going to listen to that album after this podcast, 135 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.800 for sure, because I remember playing it and there's that 136 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.519 one scene early on where you're I think exploring a 137 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.680 house or something like that, and the cameras zooms out 138 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.519 and there's that band playing. Yeah. I thought it was 139 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:19.680 just like an incredible moment. 140 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:20.279 Yeah. 141 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.639 So the soundtrack is on Spotify and then the Junebug 142 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:25.480 EP is on band camp, so you can listen to 143 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:26.480 both of those basically. 144 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.360 Nice. And then you said you've also been playing a 145 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:30.519 bit of Amnesia. 146 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.319 Too, right, Yeah, the new one, the Rebirth, which came 147 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.360 out I believe this week, right, which, Yeah, I've been 148 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.360 enjoying that as well. I've been a big fan of Friginal. 149 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.399 I liked Amnesia, and then I really like So. I 150 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.279 think Soma is amazing. I think it's one of my 151 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:49.319 favorite sci fi stories in games because of the way 152 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:54.279 that it uses gameplay basically to tell like an AI 153 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.879 centric story about like consciousness and things like that. And 154 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.920 this feels very similar in tone in that there are 155 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.600 monsters and stuff, but kind of the the key takeaways 156 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.000 are like story beats of like, you know, you are 157 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.519 this person who's crash landed in the middle of Africa 158 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.319 and you're trying to find your way to your group, 159 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:15.519 but you know, there there's this mystical element to it, 160 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:18.759 but you're also you find out very early on, so 161 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:20.680 I don't think this is like a spoiler or anything 162 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.759 that you're that you're pregnant. Uh, and so you're like 163 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.439 it's a game about motherhood very explicitly, which is which 164 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.000 is pretty rare, and like, I think it ends up 165 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.319 leading you to these very interesting like moral quandaries about Okay, well, 166 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:35.399 if you were in this situation, what would you do? 167 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:37.839 And it's it's like one of the legitimately like, well, 168 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.480 I feel like the right answer is this, but you know, 169 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:43.879 if I were actually in this situation, I would maybe 170 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.519 lean towards the kind of like the the less you know, 171 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:47.560 altruistic option. 172 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.759 So there's a lot of interesting questions that it asks. 173 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:52.439 I don't think it's as good as some I think 174 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:55.199 some of the monstery parts aren't as interesting. And I'm 175 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.439 kind of surprised that they don't have the what they 176 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.079 added to Soma post launch, which like the all the 177 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.079 like it basically gets rid of the monsters, like they're 178 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.600 still walking around, but you can't you can't like interact 179 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.639 like they won't hurt you. I'm surprised that isn't here, 180 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.160 But maybe the latter at some point, But yeah, I 181 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.560 was really impressed with it, and I'm I'm glad to 182 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:17.199 see that Frictional is able to do games like this. 183 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.879 So would you consider Amnesia a sad mom game? 184 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:22.199 A little? 185 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:25.560 I mean, yeah, it's it's the the opening scenes of 186 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:29.120 that game are just her talking about like vaguely, like 187 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.040 you don't know what it's referring to about, like how 188 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.159 kind of you know this thing like some event has 189 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.240 ended up hurting her, like very deeply in how you 190 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.440 don't ever really recover, you just kind of change as 191 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:40.919 a person. 192 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:43.919 And that felt pretty relatable. 193 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:45.519 I know that there's kind of a trope of like, 194 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.679 whenever a game is about woman, it's always about their trauma, 195 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.799 but this feels this feels like it's approaching that topic 196 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.399 with some nuance, and her being the main character I 197 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:55.639 think also helps a lot. 198 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:58.159 And she's like a voice character. It's not like you 199 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:00.159 are this person it is. 200 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:02.440 She has a lot of voice lens in the game, 201 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:04.879 which I don't know if it's gonna I know some 202 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.639 people don't like that, but I like it when I'm 203 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.519 playing someone who is different and I'm kind of seeing. 204 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:12.559 The world through their eyes. Versus this person is me. 205 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.799 Yeah, I definitely prefer voice protagonists. In our Amnesia Rebirth review, 206 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:21.360 Phil Hornshaw did call it a mom game. 207 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.519 He said it was unabashedly a mom game, and that 208 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:25.080 was like. 209 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.399 Sold, because you really don't get a lot of those, 210 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.919 you really, I've played plenty of dad games, so I'm 211 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.559 very curious. I haven't played the previous Amnesia games though, 212 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:35.480 or some Actually I kind of want to play someone 213 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:36.759 now after hearing you talk about it. 214 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:38.039 Yeah, like you don't. 215 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:39.919 You really only need to play the Dark Descent to 216 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:43.840 play Rebirth, Like there are some kind of references, but 217 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:45.840 even then, if you haven't played Amnesia, I think the 218 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.600 game just does a good job of being set in 219 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.279 that world without kind of being about the stuff that happened. 220 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.080 It's just like, oh, you'll catch a reference in like 221 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:56.799 a diary to a character from the Dark Descent. But 222 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:58.360 I don't think you need to play it. But yeah, 223 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:00.399 that's the only one, because a Machine for Pig isn't 224 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:02.919 like relevant to this story. It's kind of its own 225 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:05.600 thing and so much pretty standalone. 226 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.600 Wasn't Machine for Pigs also not developed by Frictional Games, 227 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.639 or at least not the core team that did Soma 228 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.080 and the original Amnesia. 229 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:16.360 I believe it was written by the Chinese room, which 230 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.919 who did Dear Esther. Yeah yeah, so yeah, I think 231 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.440 like all of those games. I think, like starting with 232 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:24.759 MUG because I know they made like Panumbra, I think 233 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.320 was the games they made before that. I haven't played those, 234 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.600 but starting from MG, I think Frictional has a pretty 235 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.399 strong track record, so I think all of their games 236 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:35.000 are pretty good. 237 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:37.759 Nice. I definitely want to check it out. I have 238 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:41.600 not finished any of those games, however, I've enjoyed all 239 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.960 of them, but so many. In particular is one that 240 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:46.960 I've been meaning to get back to and finish because 241 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:50.039 that setting I thought was excellent. I mean, they're always 242 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:55.399 good at creating dark and scary atmospheres. But yeah, I'm 243 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.679 excited to check it out. Lucy, you've been watching more 244 00:10:58.679 --> 00:10:59.759 bake Off. How's that going? 245 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:05.200 Bacoff remains the light of twenty twenty, That's how that's going. 246 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:08.159 I mean, I was gonna say, like, the. 247 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:12.240 Only game I've been playing is I played twenty something 248 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:16.039 hours of Persona five Royal in a week. Hell yeah, 249 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:19.120 I'm in Like, well, it's because now it's all new stuff. 250 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:19.360 For me. 251 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:22.559 Yeah, wow, So what hour are you at? 252 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.000 I guess, like when did the new stuff start rolling out? 253 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.840 Because I'm curious when that'll be. So I'm at. 254 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.960 Fifty five hours. I got the broken There is a 255 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:33.960 there is a fight. 256 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.559 In that game that is fully broken, and like the 257 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:38.759 only way to get past it is you have to 258 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:42.639 play on merciless difficulty. So I was like, I was 259 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:46.039 the perfect level for this boss fight, Like I was 260 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:47.720 the same level as the boss, which usually for the 261 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:50.320 rest of Royal is completely fine. You can actually do stuff, 262 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.840 mostly being under leveled, but this boss fight requires you 263 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.080 to knock down like four enemies in one go in 264 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.159 one turn and if you don't, no in two turns sorry, 265 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.919 And if you don't do that, then the enemies that 266 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.080 are left run away and then it starts again, so 267 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.159 you can get caught in this loop if you if 268 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:11.639 you know, like we're bad on Maboufu. 269 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:14.960 It's a margarula. 270 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:19.639 You don't have wind and so even though I had 271 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:23.039 more Gana and my party, even though I had Joker 272 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.559 with a wind persona, like, it just didn't because it's 273 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.519 meant to be the fight that promotes you using baton 274 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.000 pass and the only way to do it. 275 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:33.519 Is to do un merciless difficulty. 276 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.159 If you get in that weird stuck loop that I 277 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:37.519 was in and I was so I did that, and 278 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:38.159 I was like, that's a. 279 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:38.559 Bit of shit. 280 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.559 But so I'm at fifty five hours now, I'm still 281 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.360 at the. 282 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.360 Like it's it's still a palace from the main game, 283 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.320 but they've the introduction of all the new characters. I've 284 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.080 just had a new sequence with the school dance that 285 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.919 maybe wasn't done as elegantly as I'd hoped, because it's 286 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.080 meant to be like this, this part in the story 287 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.639 that you go with the new character consue me and 288 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:06.759 so she invites you to go to this dance and 289 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.240 then you're like, oh, the dances finished, I better go home, 290 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.200 And then you get a text from Haru that says, hey, 291 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:12.200 the dancers just started. 292 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:12.720 Let's go. 293 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:14.879 Oh weird. 294 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.399 But still very good. But bakeoff Al also played some 295 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:23.679 Ghost of Sushima Legends, which is very fun. Did you 296 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:25.679 play with a friend of the podcast, Andrew Goldford? 297 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:26.480 I did not. 298 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:33.519 I played with friend of the podcast Zach Ryan and 299 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:37.919 Kristin Vandier and Josh Do we did. We did a 300 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.440 couple and it's really fun. And also I'm not one 301 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.000 for a destiny type luke grind, but the way that 302 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.000 it's a very similar approach in ghost but I found 303 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:53.799 it very very fun. I'm obviously maning an archer because 304 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:58.519 that is my yeah, but bakeoff very quick one bake 305 00:13:58.519 --> 00:13:59.080 off update. 306 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:04.759 This is your bake off in it Jesus Christ. The 307 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.000 first the first. So I'm not gonna spoil who went 308 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.039 or anything, but. 309 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:13.240 The fact that the first challenge from last week was 310 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:17.639 making brownies, and every single one of them biffed it, right, 311 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:23.240 every single one of them biffed it because they all 312 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.399 tried to go like, way too complicated with it. They 313 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:27.240 could have just done standard brownies and it would have 314 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:30.240 been fine. Some of them were undercooked. One of them 315 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:34.679 had figs on, which looked interesting. I've become a real 316 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:35.399 backseat babe. 317 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:40.320 Bit stargy bit stargy bit. One of them was just 318 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.480 fully undercooked. It just looked like liquid. 319 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:45.039 Was the person who put figs? Is that how they 320 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.720 biffed it? They said no figs in brownies under no circumstances. 321 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.480 No, that wasn't even a biff. It was just I 322 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:53.480 think I can't remember for theirs did they do gluten free? 323 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.600 That's the glute. It's the gluten free guy. And so 324 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.440 my I used to live with someone who was gluten free, 325 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.200 and gluten free flower is just really difficult to work 326 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:08.759 with because it's obviously doesn't have gluten in it, so 327 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:11.639 it's like some of the stuff is frequently quite dry. 328 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.039 You have to really adapt your cooking to make up 329 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:19.279 for the dryness of it. I'm speaking, I'm talking out 330 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:21.200 my ass because I'm a terrible cook, but that's all 331 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:24.600 my experience with gluten free. But no, bakof was really good. 332 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:27.559 And also, I mean my picks are the two marks 333 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:30.039 I love. I love the marks Mark with a Sea, 334 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.200 who is a kearr and in my eyes an srang 335 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.039 human being. And Mark with a k who is like 336 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:41.320 just bizarrely well traveled, like he is a very international 337 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.120 man anyway mystery. 338 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.840 No, it's quite like. 339 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:50.559 He's not very mysterious. 340 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.960 He just like knows stuff about like tribes in Africa 341 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:56.639 and brings that into his cooking and stuff. 342 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:01.440 It's very good anyway, that's bakeoff well. 343 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.200 Kelly and I have both been playing a lot of 344 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:08.000 fasmophobia with Matt Paget and the great Peter Brown. 345 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:14.080 Oh, yes, it has been quite the time. Have we 346 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.320 talked about fastmophobia on the podcast yet we have? 347 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:19.360 We haven't. I'm excited to talk about it because I've 348 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:23.679 been having a ton of fun with it. It's janky, 349 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:27.960 it's buggy. It makes a lot of people sick as well, 350 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:33.080 because including Lucy. But there's something about it. 351 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.919 We should say it's an early excess, so the jankiness 352 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:39.399 is part of the course. But yeah, the I've gotten 353 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:42.919 pretty motion sick playing. We were playing the other night 354 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.759 and I died, and I when you die, you go 355 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.720 into like ghost World and you can walk around and like. 356 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.240 See stuff, and sometimes you can see the ghost that's haunting. 357 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:53.360 You, but you can't like interact with your team if 358 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.399 you're using like in game chat, and so I was 359 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.480 just walking around ghost World. And then after we finished 360 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:00.000 that game, I was like, guys, I need to go. 361 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.960 Oh I don't, I can't do this. And I was 362 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.519 at a commission for like half an hour. I had 363 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.200 to lie down and then I rejoined and it was 364 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:10.359 like Peter's last game, and I was like, well, nice 365 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.240 playing with you for one game. 366 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:14.480 I'm ready to play an. 367 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.680 I guess we should talk about what Fasmophobia is for 368 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.920 the people listening may not know, but it's basically a 369 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.200 ghost hunting game, except you don't really hunt the ghost. 370 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.200 You just need to figure out what ghost is haunting 371 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:29.920 the building that you're infiltrating, I guess, And you have 372 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.960 a bunch of tools that you can use to help 373 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.519 you find clues. Once you find three clues, you mark 374 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.359 them in your journal and you'll know what ghost it is. 375 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.559 And then you even get paid and you can level 376 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:45.039 up by new gear and so on. I think what 377 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.279 makes it so good is how well it works with 378 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:53.559 friends and how the scares are pretty unpredictable. I won't 379 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:55.920 say it's the scariest game I've played. It's probably nowhere 380 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.880 near that, just because it's kind of cheesy and it 381 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:00.920 gets away with like a lot of jump scares and stuff. 382 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.400 But the way it works to the team, in the 383 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.079 way it's so unpredictable, makes it incredibly addicting. 384 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:12.680 Yeah, the like we've definitely gotten scared, like totally. Maybe 385 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.960 you spend like the first like five or ten minutes 386 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.640 like setting up like setting up a camera so you 387 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.160 can view stuff for like sweeping the house, because you 388 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:24.799 have all these tools that it's really interesting the way 389 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:26.400 the tools work. It's not really like in a video 390 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:28.359 game sense, like the tools that you have just kind 391 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:30.000 of work the way they would in real life. So 392 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.720 there's like a remote that's like an EMF reader and 393 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.519 it reads like EMF traces and you just walk around 394 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:38.359 the house until the beeps and you're like the ghost 395 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.480 is nearby, and that's when you start setting up your gear. 396 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.680 And it's like Matt Pagett was like he and I 397 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.359 watched The Conjuring together over like Zoom or will Discord 398 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.519 because he had never seen it, and I love The Conjuring, 399 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.119 so I was like, let's watch it. So when Fasmophobia 400 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.160 like started getting attention, he was like, Kelly, we're gonna 401 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.519