WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:06.000 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's new radio. 2 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:11.080 All right, this is our eighteenth annual college Admissions panel, 3 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:15.199 and we're delighted to be joined once again by Bill Fitzsimmons, 4 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:17.839 the Harvard College Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid, and 5 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:22.039 Grant Goslin, Dean of the undergraduate Admission and Financial Aid 6 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:24.760 at Boston College. Now we have one hour down and 7 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:27.719 we may, depending on the phone calls, go all the 8 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.000 way till ten, but we shut it off no later 9 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:32.200 at the ten o'clock. This is a busy season for 10 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.560 both of these gentlemen. It is not easy for me 11 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.280 to prevail upon Bill fitz Simmons, now in year eighteen, 12 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:43.640 and Grant Goslin, who has been here. John Mahoney was 13 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:46.679 the Boston College representative for many years, and Grant is 14 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:51.399 now in John's position. John has moved on and retired 15 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:54.240 actually from Boston College. So we're going to get to 16 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.280 phone calls, and I'm going to ask you to keep 17 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:04.280 you your questions regarding college admissions. I have many questions, 18 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:07.599 but I'd love to give as many folks an opportunity 19 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:09.920 to jump in with their questions. So let us without 20 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.359 any further ado, let me go to Kathy and Exeter, 21 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.760 New Hampshire. Kathy, you a first this Hour with Bill 22 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:18.840 Fitzimmons of Harvard and Grant Goslin of Boston College. What's 23 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:19.959 your question of comment. 24 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.319 Kathy, Hi, I have a couple quick questions. I think 25 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:25.359 a lot of people would love to hear the answer 26 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.000 to number one. How has this common apt and the 27 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:31.480 fact that everyone can just click a button and apply 28 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:35.640 to a crazy number of colleges changed it for everyone? 29 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:38.040 I mean, you've obviously got just top kids applying to you, 30 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.439 but with all these schools, everyone I know's kid is 31 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.840 applying to like ten fifteen schools and getting into many 32 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:47.920 of them, which has got to skew everything for those 33 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.480 poor kids who maybe didn't you know, do as well 34 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:54.079 freshman year. Yes, I've got that trajectory. They will make 35 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.799 great college students, but now they just can't get in, 36 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:59.439 Like what has the common life? And you know, I 37 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:01.879 even know if you who have kids that are amazing 38 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:04.680 candidates know they're going to get into top schools and 39 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.480 still apply to fifteen because some of it. Oh, I 40 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:09.840 wanted to turn that one down, and I'm like, whoa 41 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.520 you are really messing with other kids opportunities. 42 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:19.360 Quality of a quantity is your question. Grant. Let's let's 43 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.199 start with you on this one, if you don't. 44 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.800 Mind, well, Kathy, thanks so much for your question. I 45 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.759 grew up nine miles from Exeter in Southampton, New Hampshire, 46 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:30.400 so it's nice to have a seacoaster on a call. 47 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.759 You know this. You know, things have really changed, as 48 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.960 you mentioned, the Common Application has you know, maybe had 49 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:44.080 some unintended outcomes. You know, was designed many years ago 50 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.520 to make the process of applying to college simpler. When 51 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:49.759 I applied to college in the early nineteen nineties, I 52 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.840 did that on a on a typewriter and you know, 53 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:56.800 applied to six colleges. I remember, you know, the I'm 54 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:01.240 not familiar exactly. I remember the University of New Hampshire's 55 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:03.479 application was blue and I made a mistake and I 56 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.199 had white out on a blue application. So there was 57 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.560 stress back then as well. But you know, when the 58 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:12.199 Internet really took off, I think that's when the common 59 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.680 app really took off and student behavior did as well. 60 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:18.879 And you know, in the mid nineteen nineties, students were 61 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:23.719 applying to about six colleges on average, depending on the 62 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.919 survey today, students are applying to somewhere between ten and 63 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.840 twelve colleges on average, and I think, Kathy, you're right 64 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:35.759 that students are sometimes not going about this process in 65 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:39.280 a thoughtful way. It's more throwing, you know, as much 66 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:41.560 as they gan against the wall and seeing what sticks, 67 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:45.319 Whereas if they had really been a lot a bit 68 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:48.439 more discerning earlier in the process to think about the 69 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:52.039 types of colleges in which they would best thrive, the 70 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.400 opportunities that they might be looking for, they might not 71 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.479 be applying to some of the schools that they have 72 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.800 if they really did term and that, you know, an 73 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.479 urban school might be a better match than a more 74 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:08.479 of a suburban campus, or a small school rather than 75 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:09.240 a larger school. 76 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:09.759 Those are the. 77 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.319 Types of things that students ought to be doing, and 78 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:17.319 I think many school counselors are working hard to try 79 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:21.000 to give students the information they need to make informed choices. 80 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:24.720 But we often hear from students that apply to twelve 81 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:27.439 schools and then they get into ten and they think 82 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:29.439 that it's going to help them narrow down their choices, 83 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.560 but then they find themselves in early April with ten 84 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.240 options and in less than a month to make a decision, 85 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:39.240 and it's really delaying the process. So we encourage students to, 86 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.759 you know, if you've got you know, high school students, 87 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:44.160 to get them, you know, on a few college campuses, 88 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.199 you know, maybe in the second half of tenth grade 89 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.040 or the summer before eleventh grade, and really trying to 90 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:53.800 begin this journey of figuring out where they might feel 91 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:56.319 most comfortable and that may help them be a little 92 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:57.439 more focused down the road. 93 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:00.920 Bill fit Simmons every year saw So it seems around 94 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.879 April second or third, I'll be watching some network television 95 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.519 show and they will have on some student who applied 96 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.240 to you know, I don't know, twenty nine colleges and 97 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.360 was a shifted to all of them, every Ivy League school, 98 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.319 et cetera, et cetera, and it's celebrated, and all of 99 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.360 a sudden that student has to pick one out of 100 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:20.560 twenty nine or one out of nineteen, which seems to 101 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:25.160 me to be crazy. Your observations on this issue as well. 102 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:28.759 We were the first of our kind as an institution 103 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.160 to be a part of the common app and was 104 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.680 right around the time Grant was applying to college in 105 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.959 the in the mid nineties, and I guess I would. 106 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:43.000 There was certainly our abuses and crazy things that happened, 107 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:47.680 but I'll just make it really personal as a first 108 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:52.560 generation college student who was trying to help out at home, 109 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.000 work in the gas station, and the comedians tour across 110 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.360 the street, go to college, go to high school, and 111 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.879 try to put pay for college, play ice hockey at 112 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:06.680 a high enough level maybe to be recruited. Lots of 113 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.399 different things going on, and my parents had not gone 114 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:12.360 to college, so couldn't really give the advice on what 115 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.240 to do. A thing like the Common App would have 116 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.279 been a real blessing because the whole idea was that 117 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.759 you could do this well and do it once. And 118 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.959 you know, as oppose, you know, on the other side 119 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.199 of the tracks, there were people whose families knew how 120 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:34.120 to play this game, and many cases perhaps had professional 121 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.040 help and you know, putting putting the app together, and 122 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:41.959 all those kinds of things, you know, the idea of 123 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.680 I think the Common App has done a great deal 124 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:51.519 to democratize access to colleges like Harvard and Boston College, 125 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.639 because you know, let's say, you might not have even 126 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.399 you know, just given how hard it was to apply 127 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.439 to colleges in those days you might have been able 128 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.759 to get into b C or M I T or 129 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.199 you know, Stanford or whatever. But you said it's such 130 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.519 a long shot. I won't, you know, I won't go 131 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.319 through the trouble with a common app. You can give 132 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.160 it a run and and sort of see what happens. 133 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.600 So for all the abuses of having you know somebody, 134 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:22.680 uh really, you know, you use it to the to 135 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:27.759 the extreme negativity sometimes, I think, and that you see 136 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:32.920 out shown in the press. I think it helps way 137 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.040 way more people than it hurts. And I think it's 138 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.439 done a lot to democratize access to higher education. 139 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:46.360 All right, to two very different points of view, perhaps, Kathy, 140 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:47.240 great question. 141 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:50.560 Great, thank you so much. 142 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.839 Help Cappy, it does. 143 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:58.519 I guess I still just know so many you know 144 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.319 kids who are they're using it, Like you said, you 145 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.399 hear the people the twenty nine on this show. It's 146 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.319 like it's a contest and it's really hurting that three. 147 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:08.920 That's crazy, isn't It doesn't help anybody? 148 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.839 Yeah, I might have overstated that. I think the biggest 149 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:13.439 one of them was seen was like fifteen, So I 150 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.800 might have I might have overstated that. 151 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:19.560 How many kids in this age were arrange and all 152 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.120 of them are applying to over ten and I just 153 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.759 think it's hurting the kids. Who are you know, I 154 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.399 have a student who didn't do so well freshman year, 155 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:31.759 and that's really coming, you know, to get back at 156 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:33.639 them now. And you know, I don't want to comment 157 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:35.759 on that, like that projection. Obviously they're not going to 158 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.039 be able to apply to BC or Harvard. But you 159 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.080 know a kid who right now has a three eight, 160 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.360 who freshman year had a two eight. What those kids are? 161 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.679 You know, you're trying to compete with these you know, 162 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.639 outstanding four point whatever is applying to you know, twelve 163 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:53.519 schools and taking what appears what could have been spots 164 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:58.799 for you know, other learners and performers. But anyway, I appreciate, Well, look, 165 00:08:58.799 --> 00:08:59.600 thank you for the question. 166 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:01.279 It was a really good question. 167 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.320 We've got to take a break Bankabby, all right, that 168 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:05.759 was one. 169 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.159 That's one off my list. Now we'll take a quick 170 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:11.399 break back with Bill Fitzsimmons of Harvard and Grant Goslin 171 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.320 of Boston College. They both are in charge of the 172 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:20.879 undergraduate UH admissions programs at these two just incredible universities, 173 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.720 and there are so many universities, and at some point, gentlemen, 174 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:26.639 I do want to talk about picking the best university 175 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:29.519 for every student. It is not as if the best 176 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.799 university for every student is Harvard or is BC, but 177 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.840 there are lots of great universities around the country. If 178 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.279 you'd like to join the conversation one line at six 179 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:41.000 one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty, love to 180 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.759 hear from some students. That's what I'm We always do this. 181 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:45.840 We'll always hear from a couple of students, will have 182 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:49.679 the courage to call, or six one seven, nine three 183 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.279 one ten thirty. Back on Night Side right after this. 184 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.159 This is our eighteenth annual College Admissions Program Panel. 185 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.279 Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World 186 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.360 Life Side Studios on WBZ News. 187 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:08.240 Radio, back with our very special guest Bill, Bill Fitzimmons, 188 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:14.120 Grant Goslin. They are the admissions deans at respectively Hardard 189 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:19.159 and Boston College. Grit you told us that you'd have 190 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.639 about thirty thousand applicants, thirty five thousand applicants for twenty 191 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.399 four hundred seats. I'm not good at math anymore, but 192 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:28.240 I think it's about a five or six percent acceptance rate, 193 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.480 or that's that's very competitive. 194 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.559 It is, you know, and you know, the myth out 195 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.039 there is that you just do that math and you 196 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.919 find the acceptance rate. The reality is most institutions are 197 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:44.919 admitting more students than they have room for. As these students, 198 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:47.799 you know, as Kathy mentioned in the previous call, we'll 199 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:51.120 have multiple options from which to choose. But last year 200 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.919 we admitted about sixteen percent of the students that applied 201 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:58.679 for admission. So it is a competitive process, a highly 202 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.600 competitive process, not quite at the level my good friend 203 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.120 Bill at Harvard enjoys, but you know, it is also 204 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.279 something that you know, we struggle with. You know, I 205 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:12.240 think the hardest part of working in highly selective admission 206 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.720 is entering each cycle knowing that we're going to need 207 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:20.399 to disappoint some very deserving students. And we are human 208 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:24.399 beings that work in these roles. We care deeply about 209 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.639 young people and helping them achieve their goals. And you know, selectivity, 210 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:33.080 you know, helps the college I think, feel good and 211 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.399 be popular, certainly, but there is a reality to the 212 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:38.799 fact that we are working with seventeen year olds that 213 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.159 are you know, working through this process, and we don't 214 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:45.320 take that responsibility lightly. 215 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.759 Yeah, so I think that those acceptance rates are it's 216 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:52.480 interesting to point that out. People maybe have more of 217 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.480 a chance than they might believe, particularly if there are 218 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.399 people out there who are applying to large numbers and 219 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:04.360 they get accepted to five, six, seven, eight, ten, twelve colleges, 220 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:08.840 they can only go to one, so they might their 221 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.320 acceptance rate of the acceptances that received might be in 222 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.639 the in the single digits. Aid as well, let's keep 223 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:18.320 rolling here, going to keep Next up is Scott in Quincy. Scott, 224 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.720 you're next on Nightside with Bill Fitzimmons of Harvard Green 225 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:22.879 Boston of Boston College. Go ahead, Scott. 226 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.639 Well, great show, Dan, gentlemen, I would imagine that you 227 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:36.279 guys have a wide professional network of college admitters. And 228 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:40.240 my question to you is this is should the United 229 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:46.480 States Armed Services votccational Aptitude battery tests be a mandatory 230 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:53.600 requirement for college entrance and presentation of proof that students 231 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:58.200 are registered for selective service and extra admission points be 232 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:04.360 given to students agree to participate in ROTC and other 233 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.840 similar programs. Given the geopolitical. 234 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:10.600 Yeah, let me do this, Scott. We're waiting into some 235 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.320 political waters there which I'm not comfortable with and if 236 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.519 my guests are not comfortable with them, I don't think 237 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:19.639 that either of them are in a position, in my opinion, 238 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.200 to answer that on behalf of the universities. Gentlemen, any 239 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.440 of those questions one, did you feel pertinent to tonight's conversation? 240 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.519 I actually I would like to dive into this a 241 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:36.399 little bit because it's very important to us. Especially over 242 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:40.639 the past five six seven years, we have increased our 243 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:46.519 recruitment of veterans for undergraduate admission at Harvard greatly. So 244 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:49.320 it wasn't too many years ago we might have only 245 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.600 one or two veterans a year coming into the first 246 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:57.200 year undergraduate class. In recent classes, we've been averaging over 247 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:02.679 twenty veterans, and we've done all kinds of recruiting and've 248 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:06.279 been involved in various organizations to get that done. So 249 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.080 we're very, very pleased to see that. The obviously, at 250 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:12.679 the graduate level at Harvard there are many, many more veterans, 251 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:17.159 and that's a whole other story. Our OTC is another 252 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:23.240 piece where we have increased our recruitment and gotten the 253 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:26.600 word out. We hope that we are interested in having 254 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:29.879 more and more people come to Harvard who are interested 255 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.960 in ROTC, and so we've been recent years been averaging 256 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:39.200 over forty a year of students either with an ROTC 257 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.639 letter directly coming out of high school or a strong 258 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:47.679 interest that could then turn into a a sort of 259 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:52.200 an experience in ROTC at Harvard. So these are big 260 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.600 priorities for us, and we've made enormous progress just in 261 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:57.960 the past four or five, six, seven years. 262 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:00.960 I think that there was a period of time, I'm 263 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.240 bill if I'm not mistaken, where r OTC members at Harvard. 264 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.120 Harvard for some period of time did not want ROTC 265 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.360 on campus, and I think that might be where Scott's 266 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.639 question comes from. And it's good to know that maybe 267 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:19.039 policies and philosophies have changed. I know that Congressman Seth 268 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.440 Moulton was a graduate of Harvard, and I. 269 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.039 Believe that absolutely yeah. 270 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.919 TC student and went on to have several tours of 271 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:33.159 duty in Iraq, and I believe both Iraq and Afghanistan, 272 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.960 and was an aid to then General David Petraeus. Has 273 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.240 there been a change? Am I correct in recalling that 274 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.600 there was a time where the rot students at Harvard 275 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.799 actually had to participate in r OTC through on the 276 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:47.840 MIT campus or am I incorrect. 277 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:49.840 In that I don't want to put no, you're you're correct, 278 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.960 and just going back to my era, and uh, you 279 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:56.000 know they were Rotzi of all kinds was available at 280 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:01.279 Harvard and for undergraduates. And one of my mates was 281 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.240 Navy ROTZI and served in their rick Over nuclear power 282 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:09.200 program on the subs nuclear subs for about five or 283 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:14.759 six years after college. Another one was in Air Force ROTZI. 284 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:19.399 But then ROTZI has discontinued for many years at Harvard 285 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.159 and then brought back relatively recently. And we have done 286 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.919 everything in our power to get the word out that 287 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.039 Rotzi has been back for a while and that we 288 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:34.840 are really interested in getting more students, you know, we're 289 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.559 interested in Rotzi to come to Harvard the classes they 290 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.080 actually take r at MIT when that still remains the 291 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:46.360 case because there are limited numbers of opportunities around the country, 292 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:50.840 you know, for for these programs. But it's really been 293 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:55.679 amazing when you look at Harvard's military record, because it's 294 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:59.480 the oldest university in America and you would expect this, 295 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:05.440 but we have contributed more of our graduates to all 296 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:09.160 the different wars America has been involved in for all 297 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:13.720 these years. It's a great track record, and at this time, 298 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:18.000 I think when the world is even shall we say less, 299 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.880 a certain place where the importance of having a strong 300 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:29.039 military is I think greater than ever. I'm delighted to 301 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:32.960 see you Harvard's progress that's been made here over the 302 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.680 past five or six or seven years, and so the 303 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:39.400 word is out. I hope that if you're a veteran 304 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.599 or a person interested in Razzi, I hope you would 305 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:43.480 consider Harvard. 306 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:46.640 And of course we don't have to go back too 307 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:51.000 many presidencies to think of John Kennedy, who true believe 308 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:54.119 that he was a member of the ROTC at Harvard, 309 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.960 but he certainly was a hero World War Two and 310 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:58.920 went on to become the thirty fifth President of the 311 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:04.160 United States. Also assume building just like the military, the 312 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:09.119 Rozzi Corps of today, the Rozzi participants r O T 313 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:14.240 C RETIP participants at Harvard would be of either male 314 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:15.920 in or female. 315 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.720 Absolutely, yeah, exactly. It's a whole whole, whole different thing, 316 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:21.240 much much better. 317 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.759 Gotcha. Okay, Scott, good question, and I thank you for 318 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:31.119 raising it. I wasn't sure do you want to weigh 319 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.799 in at all? Grant does does b C have an 320 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.160 R O T C program or are they concerned about 321 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.160 you know, people who maybe left high school joined the 322 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:42.839 military and uh and we're applying to college later. Is 323 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:43.799 that a factor at BC? 324 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:48.799 Yes, Dan Scott, thanks for the question as well. Just 325 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:50.960 like Bill said that, you know, Boston College is also 326 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.480 really trying to increase our enrollment of veterans. At Boston College, 327 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:59.559 we are members of an organization on a service to 328 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.160 school that works with vets and their re entry. Many 329 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.279 of them might start at a community college and then 330 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.680 might be looking to transfer into a four year bachelor's 331 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:13.319 degree and their scholarship opportunities where members of the Yellow 332 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:16.759 Ribbon program that I'm sure Harvard is as well. One 333 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:20.279 of the challenges that we have with veterans is around housing, 334 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:24.640 right as many of these veterans have families and might 335 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.359 not be looking to live on campus in a traditional environment, 336 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.039 and so there are opportunities not just through the residential program, 337 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.559 but through the Woods College of Advancing Studies, which is 338 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:38.799 our Nights and Evening program, where many of our vets 339 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.640 are really successful balancing their re entry to civilian life 340 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.559 in the workforce as well as earning their degrees. And 341 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:50.839 we do also have RTC on campus in conjunction with 342 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:54.799 Northeastern University, so as Harvard is working with their classes 343 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:58.240 at MIT, our students are taking their classes with Northeastern. 344 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:02.359 But it definitely provides it's a nice pathway for students 345 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:04.680 that might be thinking about service down the road. 346 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:08.720 Great, Okay, Scott, appreciate the question starting it kicked off 347 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:10.200 a good conversation. Thank you, sir. 348 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:14.680 All Right, Dan, have a good night and great show. 349 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.039 Thank you, sir. Appreciate. Take quick break nine thirty news 350 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:20.000 about a minute late. I'll tell you I've got a 351 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:21.759 couple of open lines if you'd like to get in, 352 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:24.160 and if there are students out there listening, you're missing 353 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.839 a great opportunity. Six one. Every year we've had two 354 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.119 or three students, so I'll be disappointed if we don't 355 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:32.359 have a couple of high school students participate. Summon up 356 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.680 the courage and ask whatever question you would like. I 357 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.000 have plenty of questions, but the more important ones are 358 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:40.720 those for people who are just approaching the process. And 359 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.680 whether you're a parent or a grandparent very important as well. 360 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:47.240 Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, 361 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:49.240 nine three one ten thirty this is the night Side. 362 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.559 My name is Dan Ray. My guests from Boston College 363 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.279 Grant Goslin, the Dean of Undergraduate Admission and Financial Aid, 364 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.039 and from Harvard College, Bill Fitzsimmons, the Dean of the 365 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:05.160 Harvard College. Harvard College Zene of Admissions plural and Financial Aid. 366 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:07.119 Little bit of a difference in the title, but not 367 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.359 even much. Not even need to discuss in one plural 368 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.880 one singular titles of important though. 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