Speaker 1: And hello, how are you as we wrap up the
year of twenty twenty five. Welcome to the Big Podcast.
My name is Tom Sullivan. Today it's the twenty ninth
day of December, Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.
My name is like I said, tom self still is
so no, We've got we got I mean, it's kind
of that dead zone week, isn't it, where a lot
of people have taken off and it seems pretty quiet
out there. We have predictions about what's going to happen
in twenty twenty six, we look back at twenty twenty
five for the top stories all of that. So that's
kind of where a lot of the news barrel is today.
But I thought would start off with a couple of
events taking place today. First of all, the President is
still in mar A Lago, and he yesterday had the
President of Ukraine's Lensky show up, and they sat down
and had a a group from Ukraine and a group
from the Trump administration across the table from each other.
And the President he always seems optimistic about this, and
I gotta tell you I'm not. I just am not.
It just seems that nobody's moving, they're they're having they're
having meetings with with Ukraine. Okay, but I think the
real meeting should be with Russia. And I don't think
that would get anywhere. I think that, I mean, uh yeah,
Vladimir Putin, he is not in the mood to back
off one iota. He's a tough negotiator. Besides that, he really,
in his heart wants to take back Ukraine. So here's
a little bit from Donald Trump after meeting with Selensky
late yesterday.
Speaker 2: We could be very close. There are one or two
very thorny issues, very tough issues. But I think we're
doing very well. We made a lot of progress today,
but really we've made it over the last month. This
is not a one day process. Heal this very complicated.
Speaker 1: Steff, Well, that's nice that they had a nice conversation
with Ukraine.
Speaker 3: What about Russia.
Speaker 1: So let's get General Keenan here to give us his
assessment of how things are going with Ukraine.
Speaker 4: Well Ukrainians. For first of all, let's give the President
and his team. This has been five to six weeks
of intensive negotiations here laws of between the United States
and Ukraine and the Europeans, but also with the Russian
at the tail end of it, and I sort of
credit the president for his patients and also for his
perseverance and sticking with this despite the obvious obstacles here.
I mean, what we have in front of us. Why
does Putin want this so badly that he wants Ukraine
to give it up? Well, it's pretty simple answer. For
eleven years he's tried to take it and he's failed
miserably in doing it, and he can't take it over
the next two to three three years. That's just the facts,
and that's why he wants the Ukrainians to give it up.
Ukrainians are wanting to make a major concession here, move
back its forces a certain distance. Russia moved back their forces.
Declare it a free economic zone or a DMZ supervised internationally.
That's a major step for Zelenski to get his forces
out of the defensive belt where they're currently defending and
move them back, which makes them vulnerable, and that's why
he has to go to a referendum. So there's concessions
being made here for sure on the Ukraine's part. The
second thing has to do with security guarantees. We know
for a fact that Putin still wants to topple the
government in Ukraine and put a stooge government in there.
That is his strategic objective, and there's no indication he's
given up on that. That enters the security guarantees because
they have to be enduring, They have to last greater
than the Trump administration for sure. They have to be passed,
I think and approved by the Congress of the United States.
Putin is likely to push back on that as well,
because he doesn't want ground forces in Ukraine helping to
provide an early warning of any attack and also the
kind of air surveillance that would have to be done.
So there are pitfalls here going forward. It's kind of
like we're on a ten yard line, but the last
ten yards are likely the toughest in terms of what
we're dealing with here. And Putin, you know, he talks
really positive and we've all heard it, and he blew
up the Alaska Summit. They have to talking positive, think
this time. If Putin reneges on this like he's done
on all the previous initiatives that the President of Ukrainians
and the Europeans have tried to stitch together, that we
can't return to the status quo. We've got to be
all in to put real pressure on Putent for this
time for you know, creating stalling through negotiations, by in
time for himself so he can break the will of
the United States and the will of Europeans, and certainly
the will of the Ukrainian people because he's killing them
every day. That seems to be his methodology here. And
let's be all in this time as opposed to going
back to the status quo, put maximum military and economic
pressure on him as a result of it. If he
is really the cause of this thing falling apart, which
I suspect he may very well be.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's drill in on somebody who really I
think has a bid on what's going on with the
Russia Ukraine war. That's Dan Hoffman. He's the former CIA
station chief in Moscow. He has studied Putin up one
side and down the other. And if anybody has a
good read on this, he's not a politician, He's a
former CIA guy. This is what he thinks.
Speaker 5: Ocades of my career trying to see the world through
the twisted KGB eyes of Vladimir Putin, and frankly, I
think we're a long ways off from peace. Ukraine has
been the victim of Russian military aggression going back to
twenty fourteen when Russia illegally annexed Crimea. And yes, we
can have these sideshowed discussions about don Boss and demilitarized zone,
but it doesn't change the fact that Vladimir Putin's strategic
objective has been since the beginning to overthrow the democratically
elected government of Ukraine and install a puppet regime. Putin
is happy to have the negotiations carry on. He wants
to create the false impression that he supports them to
deflect blame for the war, which is at the Kremlin
where it belongs, be at least, because the war would
end today if Ladimir Putin would stop sending his soldiers
into the meat grinder in Ukraine to be killed and
stop killing Ukrainian civilians with barrages of missiles and drones.
But he's not doing that. And I think that's the
case where Putin's actions speak a lot louder than his words.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately. That's why I like Dan Hoffman. He's not interested
in what the words are, he is interested in actions.
Speaker 5: I do I think that we haven't gotten to a ceasefire.
The Russians just today have said that they don't consider
a ceasefire to be of any value at all, that
it would prolong the conflict. That's what Vladimir Putin's foreign
policy advisor Ushakov said. And I think what we need
to do is induce Russia to agree to a ceasefire.
You do that on the battlefield, and the way to
get their is for NATO to give Ukraine the military
support they need to stop the Russian army in their tracks,
and then we may get to a ceasefire and maybe
a negotiated settlement from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hofmann doesn't care about what they say to each other.
He's watching this dance, the politician's dancing. But it doesn't
matter what they say. It comes down to what they do.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: Again, I just don't think that rhetoric plays much of
a role for us. It's our actions that really matter.
The President has a bill that he can sign that
the Senate has prepared for him with pretty biting sanctions
against Russia. I think that would be a good first step.
And then NATO needs to continue to give Ukraine more
military assistance, long range artillery in particular, so that they
can keep up the fight and defend themselves from Russia's onslaught.
This war would end today if Putin chose to end it,
but he's not doing that, and the reason why is
because he hasn't had to pay enough of a cost,
and that's hard for us to believe.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 5: Good on the Trump administration for trying to bring peace.
I think President Trump cares a lot more about those
Russian soldiers being killed on the front lines than Putin does.
Speaker 1: I think he's right. I think Trump does care more.
Putin's not doesn't carehol He just wants to take back
Ukraine for Mother Russia. So meantime, that was yesterday the
whole business about Ukraine. Zelenski was at the mar Lago estate.
Today it was bb Net and Yahoo stopping by and
General Keen weighs in on how things are going over
in Gaza because Phase one of the peace agreement hasn't
been completed almost but they're getting ready to start phase two.
But there's General Keen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's a few things for sure this discussion
that are important to the Prime Minister and also to
our president. And first of all, phase one is not
over because Hamas hasn't released the remaining deceased hostage. They
know where that hostage is, even though they're pretending to
look for him and Israeli is no.
Speaker 3: They know where it is.
Speaker 4: So this is Hamas delaying Phase two from starting because
they want to rearm, which they're doing, reorganized. They're doing
that consolidating their power. They're recruiting a lot of teenagers
because so many of their fighters were killed. But they're
somewhere in the neighborhood of five to seven thousand, and
they're not in a position right now to attack Israel,
but they want to get into a position to do
just that. And they reneyed on the deal. Not only
have they not returned the deceased tossage, they said they
would disarm and give up governance as a part of
the initial deal they're so called twenty two point deal,
and they are not doing that and they have no
intention of doing that. I think what Prime Minister net
Now will likely tell the President is that listen continue
with all the initiatives in Phase two. You know with
the Peace Board that he's the chairman of the committee
that would take over the governance of Gaza principally and
also the International Stabilization Force. But if after all of
those initiatives, the International Stabilization Force does not have the
will to disarm Hamas, then give me the discretion to
do that and finish them once and for all myself
at some point if these diplomatic efforts don't bear the
kind of fruit, I think that's on the agenda. Also,
he's obviously dealing with Hesbola. They've had a ceisiasins November
last year, and they've had to tack them over one
hundred times because they keep trying to move infrastructure and
mild capability to the south. The Lebanese government has failed
to disarm them, and it doesn't look like they're going
to be able to do that. President Trump has been
supporting all of that effort for well over a year.
And then the remaining issue is obviously Iran. Iran is
rebuilding their ballistic missile program, which fortunately did not have
a devastating effect on the Israelis, but it certainly did
kill a number of them and wound a number of
them only ten percent penetrated. They cannot let that capacity
get rebuilt. Israel will have to have a green light
at some time. Obviously, under the United States to support
them to go back after it. Iran is not actually
rebuilding this nuclear program, but intelligence says that for sure,
and it's in public print now that they clearly intend
to do just that. So vigilance on Iran for sure,
and likely some action to come with them in the future.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I feel like. There's a sense. I
feel like a sense of we're acting like Patsy's. We
sit down and talk diplomatically to these bad guys. The
head of Russia, Vladimir Putin, he lies with his teeth,
He had no he has no compunction in just lying
straight to you, straight to your face. And it's the
same thing with Gaza and Hamas and now his blah
is starting to fire back up again, and Iran is saying, yeah,
we're going to rebuild our nuclear program. So we keep
talking about how we're going to be nice, nice and
sit down at the diplomatic table, but I think it's
going to take more than that, and then watch the
world complain. Here's Robert Greenway, former National Security guide, and.
Speaker 6: He's right to do it. I think in the end,
you heard that the President stands with Israel in principle
and in particular was effusive, as you noted in his
praise for Prime Minister net and Yahoo, but also of
course ribbed him gently about him being difficult to deal with,
and I think that's a hallmark of the relationship between them.
He also made it clear there's zero tolerance for Iran's
approach towards was resurrecting their nuclear capability, and nor would
there be in the case of a direct missile threat.
And also I think he counseled that there was patience
for what needed to happen next in Gaza, recognizing how
attractable that situation is. And lastly, how all these things
are in fact interconnected in reality and certainly in the
President's approach. Venezuela, Ukraine certainly among them.
Speaker 1: So he says, hey, way to go, President Trump. You're
showing patients on what to do in Gaza. I mean,
you can be patient all day long. I don't think
Hamas is going to be nicer because you're being patient.
Back to Robert Greenway, well.
Speaker 6: I think there's certainly a good deal of mistrust between
the two leaders. The relationship has been rocky for some time,
not surprising there be reluctance, but in the end, An
International Stabilization Force is an academic discussion until homostis arms,
which I think they have no intent to do, and
so I do think that if that were to happen,
that bringing in international Stabilization Force can and will be done,
and it might or might not include Turkish forces in it.
I suspect probably not again because of the deep seated
mistrust that exists between the two leaders and two capitals.
Wasn't always this way, but it certainly has been for
some time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Turkey is a majority Muslim nation and Erewan does
not want to turn his back or be tough on
any of the Muslim nations, including Hamas. So that's what's
going on in international diplomacy today. I want to move
to something that I thought was It wasn't something I
was surprised at, but when I heard it, it really
sunk home. Jan Crawford she covers the Supreme Court for CBS,
and she was on one of the Sunday shows over
the weekend and brought up the whole point about the
fact that the midterms are coming up in eleven months
and if the Senate changes hands from Republican to Democrat,
then if you're a Supreme Court justice, and you want
to bail when President Trump and Republicans controlled the Senate.
You've got to do it before election Day November, don't you.
Here's jan Crawford.
Speaker 7: You're going to revisit a prediction I made last year
when I kind of confidently said that Justice Alito was
probably going to retire and give President Trump his fourth
nomination to the Supreme Court. Sources close to Justice Alito
say he has not made up a mind. He in
many ways is too young to retire. He's seventy five
years old. But then there's a concern that he's too
old not to because if he cares about his legacy,
and he is that intellectual leader of the conservative wing,
if he cares about his legacy, with a Republican in
the White House or Republican controlled Senate, this year would
be the best time for him to retire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about it. This is exactly what Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
They were pushing her to step down because of the
fact that they had a Democrat president and a Democrat
controlled Senate, and she did not. So when she died,
President Trump was able to put in a conservative justice.
So that's where this is, is that the Senate is
the one that controls the President obviously nominates, but the
Senate is the one that determines whether or not that
nomination is going to actually turn in to be a
Supreme Court justice. So the election in November, we'll see
how close it is for the Senate. President Trump will
still be president, so there's no problem there. The real
question comes down to who's going to control the Senate
after the midterms in November. And if it's the Democrats,
then Scalia, I'm sorry, Alito better make his choice before
then to say, Okay, I'm going to retire. It's too
young to retire. He's seventy five. So if he could
step down, Trump could appoint another person, and that means
you get somebody's semi young relative to Supreme Court justices,
and Conservatives could control the Supreme Court for the next
twenty five years. So Alito has to make some smart
decisions coming up. The other one is Clarence Thomas, who's
even older. What's he going to do? So we may
have some Supreme Court justices all of a sudden. I
had to retire before the midterms in November. But she
went on to talk about the retless Supreme Court issues
that the president has been getting okays from on these
temporary executive orders, which brings up Congress and getting these
things put into law by Congress again before the midterm elections.
Speaker 7: There is a procession because of the way the Court
has handled some of these emergency requests from the Trump
administration to step in to these cases and put lower
court rulings on hold while the litigation plays out, so
that would let the policies take effect. And the Trump
administration has had tremendous success. I mean well over twenty
such requests have been granted to let some of these
policies go into effect, whether it's on deportations, on immigration stops,
mass firings, but those are temporary interim orders, and the
administration and has been very strategic and only appealing these
adverse rulings from courts below that it thinks it can win.
There have been well over one hundred lower court orders
enforced against the Trump administration in his policies, and so
they've only taken up less than thirty, so they're being
very strategic about the ones they think they can win.
They're not appealing the retribution against law firms or those
kind of cases, and also once we do get to
the merits, because again these are just interim orders. Once
we do get to the merits, I don't think Trump's
going to win all these cases. And I certainly don't
think he's going to win the birthright citizenship case. You
don't know, absolutely not. He may not win the tariff's case,
so he may. You know, right now, it's looking great
for Trump and the Supreme Court, but it may look
very different come June when we've kind of gotten through
some of these big landmark rulings.
Speaker 3: And Jansbeid is going to be at the center of
the twenty twenty six politics.
Speaker 8: Tariffs, Fording Rights Act, and birthright citizenship all will have
massive political consequences.
Speaker 7: Oh and so many social issue cases as well, transgender
participation in girls' sports. We've got two huge gun rise cases.
This is a highly consequential term for the Court, and
you know, it's going to be in conflict, I think
with President Trump by the end of the term, because
he's not going to like all.
Speaker 1: These Well, it's too early to tell exactly how the
Senate is going to play out after the midterm elections,
but it's going to be close. And I mean I
look at tariffs and think the Supreme Court ruling on
tariffs is going to be huge. And I've been reading
about it and following it, and it looks like it's
going to be a close rulin about that. And this
is this is the cornerstone of President Trump's economic plan.
So there's some huge cases coming from the Supreme Court
and there could be some huge changes depending upon who
controls the Senate after November of this year. Speaking of politics,
Nancy Pelosi is on her way out. But on the
way out, she's doing what she always has done. She's
banged the drum for the Democrats, and she is trying
this is what she does. She tries to sound absolutely
convinced that the Democrats are going to take control of
the House of Representatives.
Speaker 7: So if the Democrats win the House back, yeah, no,
when when the Democrats win the House back, then we will.
Speaker 3: I'm busy.
Speaker 9: I'm busy and focused on winning the House for the Democrats,
making hawkm Jeffrey the Speaker of the House and to
take us to a better place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's her.
Speaker 1: She's just an old school saleswoman who tried to tell you, oh, yeah,
they're gonna win, absolutely going to win. Mark Penn, longtime
Democrat polster, Let's see what he says.
Speaker 10: Well, I wouldn't have any confidence whatsoever on either side.
I think it's a pretty moody electorate at the moment.
You know, despite the fact that there are all these
good economic numbers, they don't yet see the economy as good.
Healthcare is coming up as an issue, Inflation remains the
top issue in the economy. I think the public hasn't
settled on where they're going to come out on these
mid terms. I think that the you know, presidents started
really to lay out the case that the administration did
a better job than a lot of the voters think
in the in the in the first year. And I
think a lot of that will be proven out with
the economic numbers if they continue to come out like
they have in the last couple of weeks. And I
think you could see a real turnaround in the mood
of the country by by next summer. And I think
that's the critical time at which this election will really
be decided.
Speaker 1: As people make their minds up by summer on who
they're going to vote for in November. But everybody's kind
of keeping their fingers crossed. All of this economic policy
that's been passed, the big beautiful bills primarily tax cuts,
all kinds of other things in there, it sounds to
me more than just promoting their plan. It sounds like
they can hardly wait for January first to roll around
so that these new policies will actually take effect and
you will see the benefits and be much happier about
the Republicans than you are right now. I mean, the
Democrats have an all time record low of eighteen percent support,
eighteen percent in Congress, and yet the Republicans are not
that much higher. They're in the twenties. So I think
Mark's right. There's a moody electorate out there. And unless
this all these economic plans start having an impact on
your wallet, then the Republicans are going to be in trouble.
If they're not, so, I'm sure they're all crossing their
fingers carefully at the White House. Dougay, longtime Washington prognosticator,
see what he says.
Speaker 8: I think that's by and large true. And you know,
we certainly a big event for JD vance with Talking Point,
excuse me, with TPUSA. But I'd also caution folks here,
because you know, so often we've started to see people
talk about Donald Trump as a lame duck president. Stop
that Donald Trump. We know, we've said so many times
he defies the laws of political gravity. He's not like
any other president, So why would this one thing make
him like any other president. He's never going to go
gracefully into that good night. We know that he's going
to do that whether he's a candidate or not. And
so the only time when I would say that Donald
Trump would be a lame duck president is after the elections,
from you know, the day after election day to eleven
fifty nine am on January twentieth, and watch him closely
because he could do anything. And if your Jadvance or
your Mark or Rubio, whomever the nominee may be, you
have to be mindful that Donald Trump can make news
at any moment just because he wants to do so,
and he does that very effectively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you start thinking about it, and it gets kind
of interesting because Donald Trump, Okay, so he's not going
to run for a third term, but that doesn't mean
that he's going to go away quietly. I'm sure if
a Republican wins the White House. He's going to be
dictating to them exactly what to do, and he's got
the MAGA force behind him to do it. So it's
going to be interesting to see in this next couple
of three years how Donald Trump, what he gets done,
and how he gets it done. You want to talk
a little bit about the economy. Steve Moore was asked
about how things are going to go. Let's listen to him.
Speaker 11: Let's start with where we were exactly a year ago
when you had all of the blue chip forecasters, including
the Fed and you know, the professional and academic economists,
and if you looked at the forecast for the blue
chip it was that we would have about one point
nine percent growth for twenty twenty five. And we now
know with pretty much certainty what the growth rate will
be according to the Atlanta Fed Reserve Board through the
through December twenty third, and we've had growth rates over
the last three quarters that have been twice that high,
almost twice that high. So we've got an economy that
is doing much much better than the economists believed. And
part of the reason the economists were so negative on
the economy just exactly the point you just made tarriffts.
Speaker 3: Now, you are exactly right.
Speaker 11: I'm not a big fan of terrorists, but you know what,
I am a big fan of some of these trade
deals that Trump has been able to pull off over
the last twelve months with Korea, with China, with Japan,
with Canada, with the Europeans, all making concessions to the
United States in a very positive way. Now, Trump's saying
he's going to bring eight trillion dollars of capital in
the United States from the rest of the team.
Speaker 3: That's the latest.
Speaker 11: Trump never exaggerates, but I think that's an exaggeration. But
let's say, let's say he's wrong by ninety percent. Let's
say it's only one or two trillion. That's a huge
amount of money being invest in the United States. So
I like the way he's been able to negotiate better
deals for the US, But it does worry me with
terrorists because terrorists do have a negative impact on that.
Speaker 1: Condomn And again, everybody's got their fingers and toes crossed
about what the Supreme Court is going to do on tariffs,
and that will make a huge difference on what happens
to the economy, also to Wall Street. But the President
is talking, and you know what, some of those tariffs.
I'm not completely against tariffs. I'm mostly against tariffs, but
not reciprocal ones. And that's what he talked about when
he was campaigning, reciprocal tariffs. If they charge us four percent,
we'll charge them four percent, that sort of thing. But
instead it's this broad based every country in the world
has to pay us a tariff. I would like to
see those go away and come down to specific countries
targeted tariffs that I am all in favor of the
reciprocal tariffs that he talked about. Meantime, he's talking about
growth of better than five percent, and Steve was asked
about that.
Speaker 11: I think four percent would be a bit of a stretch,
but as long as we can get between three and
four percent, that's a very strong number. And here's one
of the major reasons we want to strive for that
higher growth rate. If you get the economic growth rate
over three percent, you start turning the debt curve that
we're all concerned about the national debt and the massive
deficits we're running. We want to make sure the economy
is growing faster than the debt.
Speaker 3: That's the main thing.
Speaker 11: And if you get to three to three and a
half to four percent growth, You're going to see exactly that,
a turning down on that curve. That is such a
cancer cell in our economy right now. So can we
do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, you're exactly right. A lot of the.
Speaker 11: Big beautiful tax bills effects don't even start until January.
I mean people literally will come up to me in
the street and say, hey, see more you know you
help put that tax bill together?
Speaker 3: Where is it?
Speaker 11: I'm not feeling it, And I've said, well, wait tells
you Aanuary that's when for a lot of working class
Americans they're going to see less money held from their paycheck,
and the other some of these other features like no
tax on tips, no tax on overtime kick in as well,
and the other thing that you just said is important.
The oil price when Trump came into office was what
seventy dollars a barrel. Now it's down to fifty what
is it today, fifty six to fifty seven. That's like
a tax cut for the economy. Every time the oil
price falls, it's a stimulus to the economy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm very confident. The only thing I'm kind of.
Speaker 11: Worried about is we have enough workers to fill the
jobs that are. We don't have a shortage of jobs
in this country right now.
Speaker 3: We have a shortage of workers filling the jobs.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the political guru Karl Rove, he has the
caution flagout on all of this talk. Going forward, they
need to be thinking about talking about what they're doing
and explaining it to the American people. I'm convinced that
a large part of it is going to be expatiently
explos laning what it is that he's done and explaining
what it is that he wants to do, particularly with
regard to healthcare, in a way that the American people
can get their hand around it. But again, under promise
and over delivered. Don't tell people the problems already solved
when they don't think it has been. And that's one
thing that President Trump, his whole life has been over promised,
no question about it. Karen Bass, the mayor of Los Angeles,
man listen to this. She was being asked about the
fact that there are a bunch of Hispanic men and
women who are signing up to be ICE officers.
Speaker 12: Meant that many new border patrol recruits are reportedly Hispanic.
Speaker 3: Well in a way. I think it's sad.
Speaker 9: I think that those border patrol agents are going to
have a difficult time when they're out in the field
and they see what actually happens in real life separate
from their training. But I do understand that their primary
incentive is financial. I think it just speaks to the
financial situation that millions of Americans find themselves in.
Speaker 1: So I think she just said, all of you Hispanic
people have Hispanic heritage, that you'll sell out your values
for money. I think that's what she just said. I mean,
I'd be insulted if I was Hispanic. Molly Hamanway also
has a similar idea.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I just actually think we shouldn't allied over the
fact that Karen Bass was just being horrifically racist and bigoted.
It is not true that Hispanic Americans don't care about
rule of law. They do, and it's not true that
they don't find honor and goodness in working to enforce
the nation's laws. This is what it means to be American,
is to share our understanding of rule of law. And
then there's also this issue that people who are people
who are in the country either because they are citizens
who are born here or because they became citizens. They
care deeply about following immigration law. And if you want
to know people who care about not being an illegal immigrant,
it would be legal immigrants. And so there's just a
lot of misconception she has there, a lot of racism,
a lot of bigotry, and it should be called out.
Speaker 3: And why is that?
Speaker 13: Just to interject, because after covering the border I learned
it it's because the immigrant communities themselves are subjected to
the worst of these crimes when it comes to murder,
rapes and other sort of issues they care the most about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've experienced that too over the years doing the
radio show. People that came to this country legally were
the ones who were the most outrage about the ones
that came here illegally. That's been a constant forever. So
Wall Street as we yet ready to wrap up twenty
twenty five, full day of market today and tomorrow and
New Year's Eve on Wednesday, they don't shortcut on that,
but to now today down two hundred forty nine to
finish at forty eight thousand and four, sixty one, SMP
down twenty four NASDACK down one hundred eighteen Gold Wow
Gold fell. I don't think i've ever seen this big
down two hundred and three dollars to four thousand and
three forty nine, and the price of oil went up
a buck. It's now up to just under fifty eight
dollars for one barrel of oil. So thank you for
coming by. We'll be here again tomorrow, hope to see
you then.