1 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,199 Speaker 1: And hello, how are you as we wrap up the 2 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:30,440 year of twenty twenty five. Welcome to the Big Podcast. 3 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,359 My name is Tom Sullivan. Today it's the twenty ninth 4 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,880 day of December, Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. 5 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,240 My name is like I said, tom self still is 6 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,359 so no, We've got we got I mean, it's kind 7 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:47,759 of that dead zone week, isn't it, where a lot 8 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:51,359 of people have taken off and it seems pretty quiet 9 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:55,679 out there. We have predictions about what's going to happen 10 00:00:55,679 --> 00:00:59,159 in twenty twenty six, we look back at twenty twenty 11 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,000 five for the top stories all of that. So that's 12 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:06,599 kind of where a lot of the news barrel is today. 13 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:11,840 But I thought would start off with a couple of 14 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,480 events taking place today. First of all, the President is 15 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:20,640 still in mar A Lago, and he yesterday had the 16 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,480 President of Ukraine's Lensky show up, and they sat down 17 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,319 and had a a group from Ukraine and a group 18 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:31,680 from the Trump administration across the table from each other. 19 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:39,120 And the President he always seems optimistic about this, and 20 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,439 I gotta tell you I'm not. I just am not. 21 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:47,599 It just seems that nobody's moving, they're they're having they're 22 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,400 having meetings with with Ukraine. Okay, but I think the 23 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:54,599 real meeting should be with Russia. And I don't think 24 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:57,280 that would get anywhere. I think that, I mean, uh yeah, 25 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,040 Vladimir Putin, he is not in the mood to back 26 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:07,480 off one iota. He's a tough negotiator. Besides that, he really, 27 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:11,520 in his heart wants to take back Ukraine. So here's 28 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,680 a little bit from Donald Trump after meeting with Selensky 29 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,759 late yesterday. 30 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: We could be very close. There are one or two 31 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,560 very thorny issues, very tough issues. But I think we're 32 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,439 doing very well. We made a lot of progress today, 33 00:02:24,439 --> 00:02:27,080 but really we've made it over the last month. This 34 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,400 is not a one day process. Heal this very complicated. 35 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,599 Speaker 1: Steff, Well, that's nice that they had a nice conversation 36 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:36,439 with Ukraine. 37 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:37,879 Speaker 3: What about Russia. 38 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: So let's get General Keenan here to give us his 39 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:45,639 assessment of how things are going with Ukraine. 40 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: Well Ukrainians. For first of all, let's give the President 41 00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:51,360 and his team. This has been five to six weeks 42 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,159 of intensive negotiations here laws of between the United States 43 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,879 and Ukraine and the Europeans, but also with the Russian 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,080 at the tail end of it, and I sort of 45 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,919 credit the president for his patients and also for his 46 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,479 perseverance and sticking with this despite the obvious obstacles here. 47 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,639 I mean, what we have in front of us. Why 48 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:16,000 does Putin want this so badly that he wants Ukraine 49 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,479 to give it up? Well, it's pretty simple answer. For 50 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,840 eleven years he's tried to take it and he's failed 51 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:24,360 miserably in doing it, and he can't take it over 52 00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:27,800 the next two to three three years. That's just the facts, 53 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,680 and that's why he wants the Ukrainians to give it up. 54 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:34,319 Ukrainians are wanting to make a major concession here, move 55 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,319 back its forces a certain distance. Russia moved back their forces. 56 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,879 Declare it a free economic zone or a DMZ supervised internationally. 57 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,879 That's a major step for Zelenski to get his forces 58 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,080 out of the defensive belt where they're currently defending and 59 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,159 move them back, which makes them vulnerable, and that's why 60 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:58,919 he has to go to a referendum. So there's concessions 61 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,759 being made here for sure on the Ukraine's part. The 62 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,960 second thing has to do with security guarantees. We know 63 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:09,159 for a fact that Putin still wants to topple the 64 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:12,080 government in Ukraine and put a stooge government in there. 65 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:15,400 That is his strategic objective, and there's no indication he's 66 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,759 given up on that. That enters the security guarantees because 67 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,879 they have to be enduring, They have to last greater 68 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:25,639 than the Trump administration for sure. They have to be passed, 69 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,600 I think and approved by the Congress of the United States. 70 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,319 Putin is likely to push back on that as well, 71 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,680 because he doesn't want ground forces in Ukraine helping to 72 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,519 provide an early warning of any attack and also the 73 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,120 kind of air surveillance that would have to be done. 74 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:44,360 So there are pitfalls here going forward. It's kind of 75 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:46,800 like we're on a ten yard line, but the last 76 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,000 ten yards are likely the toughest in terms of what 77 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,759 we're dealing with here. And Putin, you know, he talks 78 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,720 really positive and we've all heard it, and he blew 79 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,920 up the Alaska Summit. They have to talking positive, think 80 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,360 this time. If Putin reneges on this like he's done 81 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,800 on all the previous initiatives that the President of Ukrainians 82 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,879 and the Europeans have tried to stitch together, that we 83 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:11,879 can't return to the status quo. We've got to be 84 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:16,199 all in to put real pressure on Putent for this 85 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:21,639 time for you know, creating stalling through negotiations, by in 86 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,000 time for himself so he can break the will of 87 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,720 the United States and the will of Europeans, and certainly 88 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,439 the will of the Ukrainian people because he's killing them 89 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:34,439 every day. That seems to be his methodology here. And 90 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,959 let's be all in this time as opposed to going 91 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,000 back to the status quo, put maximum military and economic 92 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,160 pressure on him as a result of it. If he 93 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:47,279 is really the cause of this thing falling apart, which 94 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:49,160 I suspect he may very well be. 95 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, let's drill in on somebody who really I 96 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,360 think has a bid on what's going on with the 97 00:05:56,439 --> 00:06:01,000 Russia Ukraine war. That's Dan Hoffman. He's the former CIA 98 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:07,120 station chief in Moscow. He has studied Putin up one 99 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,800 side and down the other. And if anybody has a 100 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,079 good read on this, he's not a politician, He's a 101 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:16,079 former CIA guy. This is what he thinks. 102 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 5: Ocades of my career trying to see the world through 103 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,560 the twisted KGB eyes of Vladimir Putin, and frankly, I 104 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,639 think we're a long ways off from peace. Ukraine has 105 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,720 been the victim of Russian military aggression going back to 106 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,680 twenty fourteen when Russia illegally annexed Crimea. And yes, we 107 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,319 can have these sideshowed discussions about don Boss and demilitarized zone, 108 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,639 but it doesn't change the fact that Vladimir Putin's strategic 109 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,879 objective has been since the beginning to overthrow the democratically 110 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:50,800 elected government of Ukraine and install a puppet regime. Putin 111 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,279 is happy to have the negotiations carry on. He wants 112 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:55,720 to create the false impression that he supports them to 113 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,040 deflect blame for the war, which is at the Kremlin 114 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,879 where it belongs, be at least, because the war would 115 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:04,639 end today if Ladimir Putin would stop sending his soldiers 116 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:08,040 into the meat grinder in Ukraine to be killed and 117 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,120 stop killing Ukrainian civilians with barrages of missiles and drones. 118 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,279 But he's not doing that. And I think that's the 119 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,800 case where Putin's actions speak a lot louder than his words. 120 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:21,959 Speaker 1: Unfortunately. That's why I like Dan Hoffman. He's not interested 121 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:24,839 in what the words are, he is interested in actions. 122 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:28,959 Speaker 5: I do I think that we haven't gotten to a ceasefire. 123 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,399 The Russians just today have said that they don't consider 124 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,360 a ceasefire to be of any value at all, that 125 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:38,519 it would prolong the conflict. That's what Vladimir Putin's foreign 126 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,000 policy advisor Ushakov said. And I think what we need 127 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,279 to do is induce Russia to agree to a ceasefire. 128 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:47,560 You do that on the battlefield, and the way to 129 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,399 get their is for NATO to give Ukraine the military 130 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:54,399 support they need to stop the Russian army in their tracks, 131 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:57,160 and then we may get to a ceasefire and maybe 132 00:07:57,439 --> 00:07:59,199 a negotiated settlement from there. 133 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hofmann doesn't care about what they say to each other. 134 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:09,040 He's watching this dance, the politician's dancing. But it doesn't 135 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,800 matter what they say. It comes down to what they do. 136 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 4: Well. 137 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,959 Speaker 5: Again, I just don't think that rhetoric plays much of 138 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,839 a role for us. It's our actions that really matter. 139 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,959 The President has a bill that he can sign that 140 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,680 the Senate has prepared for him with pretty biting sanctions 141 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,240 against Russia. I think that would be a good first step. 142 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,560 And then NATO needs to continue to give Ukraine more 143 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,399 military assistance, long range artillery in particular, so that they 144 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:37,480 can keep up the fight and defend themselves from Russia's onslaught. 145 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:39,799 This war would end today if Putin chose to end it, 146 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,080 but he's not doing that, and the reason why is 147 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,440 because he hasn't had to pay enough of a cost, 148 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,039 and that's hard for us to believe. 149 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: Here. 150 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 5: Good on the Trump administration for trying to bring peace. 151 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,639 I think President Trump cares a lot more about those 152 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,759 Russian soldiers being killed on the front lines than Putin does. 153 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: I think he's right. I think Trump does care more. 154 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,200 Putin's not doesn't carehol He just wants to take back 155 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,480 Ukraine for Mother Russia. So meantime, that was yesterday the 156 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:11,919 whole business about Ukraine. Zelenski was at the mar Lago estate. 157 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,440 Today it was bb Net and Yahoo stopping by and 158 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,279 General Keen weighs in on how things are going over 159 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,120 in Gaza because Phase one of the peace agreement hasn't 160 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:31,080 been completed almost but they're getting ready to start phase two. 161 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,919 But there's General Keen. 162 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's a few things for sure this discussion 163 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:38,039 that are important to the Prime Minister and also to 164 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,600 our president. And first of all, phase one is not 165 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:46,559 over because Hamas hasn't released the remaining deceased hostage. They 166 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:49,240 know where that hostage is, even though they're pretending to 167 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:51,240 look for him and Israeli is no. 168 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: They know where it is. 169 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: So this is Hamas delaying Phase two from starting because 170 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,240 they want to rearm, which they're doing, reorganized. They're doing 171 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:05,879 that consolidating their power. They're recruiting a lot of teenagers 172 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,159 because so many of their fighters were killed. But they're 173 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,360 somewhere in the neighborhood of five to seven thousand, and 174 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,480 they're not in a position right now to attack Israel, 175 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:17,000 but they want to get into a position to do 176 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:21,320 just that. And they reneyed on the deal. Not only 177 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,799 have they not returned the deceased tossage, they said they 178 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:26,960 would disarm and give up governance as a part of 179 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,240 the initial deal they're so called twenty two point deal, 180 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:32,840 and they are not doing that and they have no 181 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,559 intention of doing that. I think what Prime Minister net 182 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,440 Now will likely tell the President is that listen continue 183 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 with all the initiatives in Phase two. You know with 184 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,759 the Peace Board that he's the chairman of the committee 185 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:50,639 that would take over the governance of Gaza principally and 186 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:55,200 also the International Stabilization Force. But if after all of 187 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,120 those initiatives, the International Stabilization Force does not have the 188 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,519 will to disarm Hamas, then give me the discretion to 189 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,039 do that and finish them once and for all myself 190 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,240 at some point if these diplomatic efforts don't bear the 191 00:11:10,279 --> 00:11:12,600 kind of fruit, I think that's on the agenda. Also, 192 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,840 he's obviously dealing with Hesbola. They've had a ceisiasins November 193 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,840 last year, and they've had to tack them over one 194 00:11:19,879 --> 00:11:22,919 hundred times because they keep trying to move infrastructure and 195 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,679 mild capability to the south. The Lebanese government has failed 196 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,039 to disarm them, and it doesn't look like they're going 197 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,639 to be able to do that. President Trump has been 198 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,200 supporting all of that effort for well over a year. 199 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,320 And then the remaining issue is obviously Iran. Iran is 200 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:42,799 rebuilding their ballistic missile program, which fortunately did not have 201 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:45,799 a devastating effect on the Israelis, but it certainly did 202 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:48,480 kill a number of them and wound a number of 203 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:53,360 them only ten percent penetrated. They cannot let that capacity 204 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,919 get rebuilt. Israel will have to have a green light 205 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,000 at some time. Obviously, under the United States to support 206 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,720 them to go back after it. Iran is not actually 207 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:08,360 rebuilding this nuclear program, but intelligence says that for sure, 208 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:12,000 and it's in public print now that they clearly intend 209 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:15,360 to do just that. So vigilance on Iran for sure, 210 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,320 and likely some action to come with them in the future. 211 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: That's the thing. I feel like. There's a sense. I 212 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,399 feel like a sense of we're acting like Patsy's. We 213 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,000 sit down and talk diplomatically to these bad guys. The 214 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,039 head of Russia, Vladimir Putin, he lies with his teeth, 215 00:12:34,519 --> 00:12:37,000 He had no he has no compunction in just lying 216 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,759 straight to you, straight to your face. And it's the 217 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:44,080 same thing with Gaza and Hamas and now his blah 218 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,240 is starting to fire back up again, and Iran is saying, yeah, 219 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:50,080 we're going to rebuild our nuclear program. So we keep 220 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,879 talking about how we're going to be nice, nice and 221 00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:56,919 sit down at the diplomatic table, but I think it's 222 00:12:56,919 --> 00:12:58,799 going to take more than that, and then watch the 223 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,320 world complain. Here's Robert Greenway, former National Security guide, and. 224 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 6: He's right to do it. I think in the end, 225 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:07,960 you heard that the President stands with Israel in principle 226 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:10,840 and in particular was effusive, as you noted in his 227 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,759 praise for Prime Minister net and Yahoo, but also of 228 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,720 course ribbed him gently about him being difficult to deal with, 229 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:19,679 and I think that's a hallmark of the relationship between them. 230 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,879 He also made it clear there's zero tolerance for Iran's 231 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:27,399 approach towards was resurrecting their nuclear capability, and nor would 232 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:30,679 there be in the case of a direct missile threat. 233 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,879 And also I think he counseled that there was patience 234 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,799 for what needed to happen next in Gaza, recognizing how 235 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,320 attractable that situation is. And lastly, how all these things 236 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,559 are in fact interconnected in reality and certainly in the 237 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,320 President's approach. Venezuela, Ukraine certainly among them. 238 00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: So he says, hey, way to go, President Trump. You're 239 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:55,960 showing patients on what to do in Gaza. I mean, 240 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,600 you can be patient all day long. I don't think 241 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:01,879 Hamas is going to be nicer because you're being patient. 242 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:04,320 Back to Robert Greenway, well. 243 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 6: I think there's certainly a good deal of mistrust between 244 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:10,200 the two leaders. The relationship has been rocky for some time, 245 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:13,600 not surprising there be reluctance, but in the end, An 246 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:18,200 International Stabilization Force is an academic discussion until homostis arms, 247 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,600 which I think they have no intent to do, and 248 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:22,799 so I do think that if that were to happen, 249 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,679 that bringing in international Stabilization Force can and will be done, 250 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,759 and it might or might not include Turkish forces in it. 251 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,320 I suspect probably not again because of the deep seated 252 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,960 mistrust that exists between the two leaders and two capitals. 253 00:14:36,039 --> 00:14:38,279 Wasn't always this way, but it certainly has been for 254 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:38,720 some time. 255 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Turkey is a majority Muslim nation and Erewan does 256 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:47,879 not want to turn his back or be tough on 257 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,080 any of the Muslim nations, including Hamas. So that's what's 258 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,000 going on in international diplomacy today. I want to move 259 00:14:55,039 --> 00:15:00,399 to something that I thought was It wasn't something I 260 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:03,120 was surprised at, but when I heard it, it really 261 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:08,440 sunk home. Jan Crawford she covers the Supreme Court for CBS, 262 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,120 and she was on one of the Sunday shows over 263 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:15,399 the weekend and brought up the whole point about the 264 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,840 fact that the midterms are coming up in eleven months 265 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:27,639 and if the Senate changes hands from Republican to Democrat, 266 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:34,480 then if you're a Supreme Court justice, and you want 267 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:39,120 to bail when President Trump and Republicans controlled the Senate. 268 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:44,240 You've got to do it before election Day November, don't you. 269 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:45,840 Here's jan Crawford. 270 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,039 Speaker 7: You're going to revisit a prediction I made last year 271 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,279 when I kind of confidently said that Justice Alito was 272 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,159 probably going to retire and give President Trump his fourth 273 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:58,399 nomination to the Supreme Court. Sources close to Justice Alito 274 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:01,679 say he has not made up a mind. He in 275 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,600 many ways is too young to retire. He's seventy five 276 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:07,440 years old. But then there's a concern that he's too 277 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:11,000 old not to because if he cares about his legacy, 278 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:14,960 and he is that intellectual leader of the conservative wing, 279 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,919 if he cares about his legacy, with a Republican in 280 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,960 the White House or Republican controlled Senate, this year would 281 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:24,039 be the best time for him to retire. 282 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, think about it. This is exactly what Ruth Bader Ginsburg. 283 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,240 They were pushing her to step down because of the 284 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,000 fact that they had a Democrat president and a Democrat 285 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,679 controlled Senate, and she did not. So when she died, 286 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,639 President Trump was able to put in a conservative justice. 287 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,480 So that's where this is, is that the Senate is 288 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:51,320 the one that controls the President obviously nominates, but the 289 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:54,120 Senate is the one that determines whether or not that 290 00:16:54,279 --> 00:16:57,480 nomination is going to actually turn in to be a 291 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:02,240 Supreme Court justice. So the election in November, we'll see 292 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:05,400 how close it is for the Senate. President Trump will 293 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,480 still be president, so there's no problem there. The real 294 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:10,200 question comes down to who's going to control the Senate 295 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,799 after the midterms in November. And if it's the Democrats, 296 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:22,000 then Scalia, I'm sorry, Alito better make his choice before 297 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,119 then to say, Okay, I'm going to retire. It's too 298 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,799 young to retire. He's seventy five. So if he could 299 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:34,000 step down, Trump could appoint another person, and that means 300 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,599 you get somebody's semi young relative to Supreme Court justices, 301 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:44,079 and Conservatives could control the Supreme Court for the next 302 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:49,279 twenty five years. So Alito has to make some smart 303 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,920 decisions coming up. The other one is Clarence Thomas, who's 304 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,799 even older. What's he going to do? So we may 305 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,119 have some Supreme Court justices all of a sudden. I 306 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,759 had to retire before the midterms in November. But she 307 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,799 went on to talk about the retless Supreme Court issues 308 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,880 that the president has been getting okays from on these 309 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,079 temporary executive orders, which brings up Congress and getting these 310 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:24,799 things put into law by Congress again before the midterm elections. 311 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 7: There is a procession because of the way the Court 312 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,480 has handled some of these emergency requests from the Trump 313 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:34,079 administration to step in to these cases and put lower 314 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:38,039 court rulings on hold while the litigation plays out, so 315 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:40,880 that would let the policies take effect. And the Trump 316 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,480 administration has had tremendous success. I mean well over twenty 317 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,440 such requests have been granted to let some of these 318 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:53,440 policies go into effect, whether it's on deportations, on immigration stops, 319 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:59,279 mass firings, but those are temporary interim orders, and the 320 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:03,519 administration and has been very strategic and only appealing these 321 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:06,279 adverse rulings from courts below that it thinks it can win. 322 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,319 There have been well over one hundred lower court orders 323 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,279 enforced against the Trump administration in his policies, and so 324 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:15,640 they've only taken up less than thirty, so they're being 325 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:17,720 very strategic about the ones they think they can win. 326 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:21,319 They're not appealing the retribution against law firms or those 327 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,880 kind of cases, and also once we do get to 328 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,799 the merits, because again these are just interim orders. Once 329 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:29,440 we do get to the merits, I don't think Trump's 330 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,079 going to win all these cases. And I certainly don't 331 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,359 think he's going to win the birthright citizenship case. You 332 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,119 don't know, absolutely not. He may not win the tariff's case, 333 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,599 so he may. You know, right now, it's looking great 334 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,720 for Trump and the Supreme Court, but it may look 335 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:44,200 very different come June when we've kind of gotten through 336 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,799 some of these big landmark rulings. 337 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,039 Speaker 3: And Jansbeid is going to be at the center of 338 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:49,480 the twenty twenty six politics. 339 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 8: Tariffs, Fording Rights Act, and birthright citizenship all will have 340 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:55,119 massive political consequences. 341 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,279 Speaker 7: Oh and so many social issue cases as well, transgender 342 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:02,920 participation in girls' sports. We've got two huge gun rise cases. 343 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,000 This is a highly consequential term for the Court, and 344 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:07,960 you know, it's going to be in conflict, I think 345 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,119 with President Trump by the end of the term, because 346 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,000 he's not going to like all. 347 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,319 Speaker 1: These Well, it's too early to tell exactly how the 348 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,519 Senate is going to play out after the midterm elections, 349 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,119 but it's going to be close. And I mean I 350 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,240 look at tariffs and think the Supreme Court ruling on 351 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,599 tariffs is going to be huge. And I've been reading 352 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,759 about it and following it, and it looks like it's 353 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,079 going to be a close rulin about that. And this 354 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:38,480 is this is the cornerstone of President Trump's economic plan. 355 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,519 So there's some huge cases coming from the Supreme Court 356 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,240 and there could be some huge changes depending upon who 357 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:52,240 controls the Senate after November of this year. Speaking of politics, 358 00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:56,119 Nancy Pelosi is on her way out. But on the 359 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,240 way out, she's doing what she always has done. She's 360 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,960 banged the drum for the Democrats, and she is trying 361 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,039 this is what she does. She tries to sound absolutely 362 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,359 convinced that the Democrats are going to take control of 363 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,799 the House of Representatives. 364 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 7: So if the Democrats win the House back, yeah, no, 365 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,559 when when the Democrats win the House back, then we will. 366 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: I'm busy. 367 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,039 Speaker 9: I'm busy and focused on winning the House for the Democrats, 368 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,079 making hawkm Jeffrey the Speaker of the House and to 369 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,559 take us to a better place. 370 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's her. 371 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: She's just an old school saleswoman who tried to tell you, oh, yeah, 372 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,799 they're gonna win, absolutely going to win. Mark Penn, longtime 373 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:43,960 Democrat polster, Let's see what he says. 374 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 10: Well, I wouldn't have any confidence whatsoever on either side. 375 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,160 I think it's a pretty moody electorate at the moment. 376 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:54,880 You know, despite the fact that there are all these 377 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,519 good economic numbers, they don't yet see the economy as good. 378 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,319 Healthcare is coming up as an issue, Inflation remains the 379 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,799 top issue in the economy. I think the public hasn't 380 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:10,839 settled on where they're going to come out on these 381 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,160 mid terms. I think that the you know, presidents started 382 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,079 really to lay out the case that the administration did 383 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,000 a better job than a lot of the voters think 384 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:24,200 in the in the in the first year. And I 385 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,920 think a lot of that will be proven out with 386 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,839 the economic numbers if they continue to come out like 387 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,759 they have in the last couple of weeks. And I 388 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:33,759 think you could see a real turnaround in the mood 389 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:36,480 of the country by by next summer. And I think 390 00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:39,039 that's the critical time at which this election will really 391 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:40,079 be decided. 392 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,839 Speaker 1: As people make their minds up by summer on who 393 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:47,640 they're going to vote for in November. But everybody's kind 394 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,079 of keeping their fingers crossed. All of this economic policy 395 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,759 that's been passed, the big beautiful bills primarily tax cuts, 396 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:01,440 all kinds of other things in there, it sounds to 397 00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:06,960 me more than just promoting their plan. It sounds like 398 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:10,160 they can hardly wait for January first to roll around 399 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,200 so that these new policies will actually take effect and 400 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:19,240 you will see the benefits and be much happier about 401 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:21,920 the Republicans than you are right now. I mean, the 402 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,079 Democrats have an all time record low of eighteen percent support, 403 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:31,359 eighteen percent in Congress, and yet the Republicans are not 404 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,839 that much higher. They're in the twenties. So I think 405 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,319 Mark's right. There's a moody electorate out there. And unless 406 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,759 this all these economic plans start having an impact on 407 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:46,440 your wallet, then the Republicans are going to be in trouble. 408 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,319 If they're not, so, I'm sure they're all crossing their 409 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:54,759 fingers carefully at the White House. Dougay, longtime Washington prognosticator, 410 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:56,319 see what he says. 411 00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:59,319 Speaker 8: I think that's by and large true. And you know, 412 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,039 we certainly a big event for JD vance with Talking Point, 413 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:08,400 excuse me, with TPUSA. But I'd also caution folks here, 414 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:11,880 because you know, so often we've started to see people 415 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,519 talk about Donald Trump as a lame duck president. Stop 416 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:17,359 that Donald Trump. We know, we've said so many times 417 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,880 he defies the laws of political gravity. He's not like 418 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,880 any other president, So why would this one thing make 419 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,359 him like any other president. He's never going to go 420 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,400 gracefully into that good night. We know that he's going 421 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,799 to do that whether he's a candidate or not. And 422 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:32,519 so the only time when I would say that Donald 423 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,920 Trump would be a lame duck president is after the elections, 424 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,279 from you know, the day after election day to eleven 425 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,519 fifty nine am on January twentieth, and watch him closely 426 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:44,279 because he could do anything. And if your Jadvance or 427 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,240 your Mark or Rubio, whomever the nominee may be, you 428 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,640 have to be mindful that Donald Trump can make news 429 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,240 at any moment just because he wants to do so, 430 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,000 and he does that very effectively. 431 00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, you start thinking about it, and it gets kind 432 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,599 of interesting because Donald Trump, Okay, so he's not going 433 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,920 to run for a third term, but that doesn't mean 434 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,000 that he's going to go away quietly. I'm sure if 435 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,039 a Republican wins the White House. He's going to be 436 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,359 dictating to them exactly what to do, and he's got 437 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,119 the MAGA force behind him to do it. So it's 438 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,960 going to be interesting to see in this next couple 439 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,000 of three years how Donald Trump, what he gets done, 440 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:24,680 and how he gets it done. You want to talk 441 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,519 a little bit about the economy. Steve Moore was asked 442 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:31,079 about how things are going to go. Let's listen to him. 443 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 11: Let's start with where we were exactly a year ago 444 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,599 when you had all of the blue chip forecasters, including 445 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:42,319 the Fed and you know, the professional and academic economists, 446 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,799 and if you looked at the forecast for the blue 447 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,599 chip it was that we would have about one point 448 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,359 nine percent growth for twenty twenty five. And we now 449 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,039 know with pretty much certainty what the growth rate will 450 00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:56,480 be according to the Atlanta Fed Reserve Board through the 451 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,920 through December twenty third, and we've had growth rates over 452 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,920 the last three quarters that have been twice that high, 453 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,759 almost twice that high. So we've got an economy that 454 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,240 is doing much much better than the economists believed. And 455 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:17,920 part of the reason the economists were so negative on 456 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,599 the economy just exactly the point you just made tarriffts. 457 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: Now, you are exactly right. 458 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 11: I'm not a big fan of terrorists, but you know what, 459 00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:26,160 I am a big fan of some of these trade 460 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,640 deals that Trump has been able to pull off over 461 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,440 the last twelve months with Korea, with China, with Japan, 462 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:36,079 with Canada, with the Europeans, all making concessions to the 463 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,799 United States in a very positive way. Now, Trump's saying 464 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:42,960 he's going to bring eight trillion dollars of capital in 465 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,400 the United States from the rest of the team. 466 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:47,599 Speaker 3: That's the latest. 467 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 11: Trump never exaggerates, but I think that's an exaggeration. But 468 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,400 let's say, let's say he's wrong by ninety percent. Let's 469 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,680 say it's only one or two trillion. That's a huge 470 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,759 amount of money being invest in the United States. So 471 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,400 I like the way he's been able to negotiate better 472 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,480 deals for the US, But it does worry me with 473 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,160 terrorists because terrorists do have a negative impact on that. 474 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: Condomn And again, everybody's got their fingers and toes crossed 475 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,680 about what the Supreme Court is going to do on tariffs, 476 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,079 and that will make a huge difference on what happens 477 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,160 to the economy, also to Wall Street. But the President 478 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,440 is talking, and you know what, some of those tariffs. 479 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:29,000 I'm not completely against tariffs. I'm mostly against tariffs, but 480 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:31,960 not reciprocal ones. And that's what he talked about when 481 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,480 he was campaigning, reciprocal tariffs. If they charge us four percent, 482 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,799 we'll charge them four percent, that sort of thing. But 483 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,720 instead it's this broad based every country in the world 484 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,839 has to pay us a tariff. I would like to 485 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,279 see those go away and come down to specific countries 486 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:54,720 targeted tariffs that I am all in favor of the 487 00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:59,920 reciprocal tariffs that he talked about. Meantime, he's talking about 488 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,279 growth of better than five percent, and Steve was asked 489 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:05,680 about that. 490 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 11: I think four percent would be a bit of a stretch, 491 00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,920 but as long as we can get between three and 492 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,039 four percent, that's a very strong number. And here's one 493 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,319 of the major reasons we want to strive for that 494 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,680 higher growth rate. If you get the economic growth rate 495 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,680 over three percent, you start turning the debt curve that 496 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,400 we're all concerned about the national debt and the massive 497 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,599 deficits we're running. We want to make sure the economy 498 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,519 is growing faster than the debt. 499 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 3: That's the main thing. 500 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,559 Speaker 11: And if you get to three to three and a 501 00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,640 half to four percent growth, You're going to see exactly that, 502 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,160 a turning down on that curve. That is such a 503 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,200 cancer cell in our economy right now. So can we 504 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,400 do it? 505 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, you're exactly right. A lot of the. 506 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 11: Big beautiful tax bills effects don't even start until January. 507 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:54,000 I mean people literally will come up to me in 508 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,359 the street and say, hey, see more you know you 509 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:57,960 help put that tax bill together? 510 00:28:58,359 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: Where is it? 511 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,119 Speaker 11: I'm not feeling it, And I've said, well, wait tells 512 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,759 you Aanuary that's when for a lot of working class 513 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,440 Americans they're going to see less money held from their paycheck, 514 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,480 and the other some of these other features like no 515 00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:13,000 tax on tips, no tax on overtime kick in as well, 516 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,480 and the other thing that you just said is important. 517 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,839 The oil price when Trump came into office was what 518 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,000 seventy dollars a barrel. Now it's down to fifty what 519 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,240 is it today, fifty six to fifty seven. That's like 520 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,960 a tax cut for the economy. Every time the oil 521 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000 price falls, it's a stimulus to the economy. 522 00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:33,759 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm very confident. The only thing I'm kind of. 523 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,559 Speaker 11: Worried about is we have enough workers to fill the 524 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,480 jobs that are. We don't have a shortage of jobs 525 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,440 in this country right now. 526 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,559 Speaker 3: We have a shortage of workers filling the jobs. 527 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,519 Speaker 1: Okay, So the political guru Karl Rove, he has the 528 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,640 caution flagout on all of this talk. Going forward, they 529 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,279 need to be thinking about talking about what they're doing 530 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,200 and explaining it to the American people. I'm convinced that 531 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,599 a large part of it is going to be expatiently 532 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,920 explos laning what it is that he's done and explaining 533 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,759 what it is that he wants to do, particularly with 534 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,400 regard to healthcare, in a way that the American people 535 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,599 can get their hand around it. But again, under promise 536 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,599 and over delivered. Don't tell people the problems already solved 537 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,880 when they don't think it has been. And that's one 538 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,319 thing that President Trump, his whole life has been over promised, 539 00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:25,640 no question about it. Karen Bass, the mayor of Los Angeles, 540 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,319 man listen to this. She was being asked about the 541 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,160 fact that there are a bunch of Hispanic men and 542 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:40,000 women who are signing up to be ICE officers. 543 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 12: Meant that many new border patrol recruits are reportedly Hispanic. 544 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,559 Speaker 3: Well in a way. I think it's sad. 545 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 9: I think that those border patrol agents are going to 546 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,880 have a difficult time when they're out in the field 547 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,319 and they see what actually happens in real life separate 548 00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,799 from their training. But I do understand that their primary 549 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,279 incentive is financial. I think it just speaks to the 550 00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:09,559 financial situation that millions of Americans find themselves in. 551 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: So I think she just said, all of you Hispanic 552 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,319 people have Hispanic heritage, that you'll sell out your values 553 00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:23,799 for money. I think that's what she just said. I mean, 554 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:27,440 I'd be insulted if I was Hispanic. Molly Hamanway also 555 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,759 has a similar idea. 556 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 12: Yeah, I just actually think we shouldn't allied over the 557 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,839 fact that Karen Bass was just being horrifically racist and bigoted. 558 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,400 It is not true that Hispanic Americans don't care about 559 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,960 rule of law. They do, and it's not true that 560 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,119 they don't find honor and goodness in working to enforce 561 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,200 the nation's laws. This is what it means to be American, 562 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,000 is to share our understanding of rule of law. And 563 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:55,400 then there's also this issue that people who are people 564 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,599 who are in the country either because they are citizens 565 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,319 who are born here or because they became citizens. They 566 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,240 care deeply about following immigration law. And if you want 567 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:08,240 to know people who care about not being an illegal immigrant, 568 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,640 it would be legal immigrants. And so there's just a 569 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,240 lot of misconception she has there, a lot of racism, 570 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,559 a lot of bigotry, and it should be called out. 571 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: And why is that? 572 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 13: Just to interject, because after covering the border I learned 573 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,839 it it's because the immigrant communities themselves are subjected to 574 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,359 the worst of these crimes when it comes to murder, 575 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,400 rapes and other sort of issues they care the most about. 576 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:31,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've experienced that too over the years doing the 577 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,000 radio show. People that came to this country legally were 578 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,920 the ones who were the most outrage about the ones 579 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,960 that came here illegally. That's been a constant forever. So 580 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,799 Wall Street as we yet ready to wrap up twenty 581 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,279 twenty five, full day of market today and tomorrow and 582 00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:53,880 New Year's Eve on Wednesday, they don't shortcut on that, 583 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,160 but to now today down two hundred forty nine to 584 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,079 finish at forty eight thousand and four, sixty one, SMP 585 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,960 down twenty four NASDACK down one hundred eighteen Gold Wow 586 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,160 Gold fell. I don't think i've ever seen this big 587 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,359 down two hundred and three dollars to four thousand and 588 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200 three forty nine, and the price of oil went up 589 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,680 a buck. It's now up to just under fifty eight 590 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,079 dollars for one barrel of oil. So thank you for 591 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,400 coming by. We'll be here again tomorrow, hope to see 592 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:30,839 you then.