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Speaker 1: When the sun begins to dim, It's up to three

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unlikely heroes to save Earth from disaster. However, two of

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them die on the journey, leaving the fate of the

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world to one man. Or so it would seem. It's

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Project Hail Mary. I'm Ronald Young Junior, and I'm leaving

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the theater.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: This is Ronald, and I'm leaving the theater after seeing

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Project Hail Mary. Project Hail Mary written by Drew Goddard,

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directed by Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, starring Ryan Gosling,

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Sandra Huller, Lionel Boyce, Ken Lung, Milana Van Trumb, James Ortiz,

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and Priya Cansara, and as usual, for complete listing of

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the cast and crew, check out the link in our

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show notes. I am not here alone. I am here

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with Daryl see Murphy.

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Speaker 2: Darryl C.

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Speaker 3: Murphy, Murphy making himself laugh. This is the joy that

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leaving the theater brings you. Every week. We have not

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had a guest in a while, so it is good

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to have seen a movie not by myself now, Project

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hill Mary. It is based on the book Project Till Mary,

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written by Andy Weir, who also wrote The Martian, which

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was a critical Darling a few years ago, starring Matt Damon,

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about a man who has to survive on.

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Speaker 2: Mars in order to get back to Earth.

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Speaker 3: This is about a man who wakes up with amnesia

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in space, not knowing what exactly he is in space for,

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and has to piece it together.

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Speaker 2: A mission to save the planet.

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Speaker 3: I actually realized that I might be giving more context

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because I read the book than what you actually saw.

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Speaker 1: In the movie.

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Speaker 2: So let's just let's start right there. Daryl C. Murphy,

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what did you think of Project Hill? Mary?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a fun movie. It's a fun watch.

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it it ran too long, it got corny. But there

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was you know, two bros in space. You know, I

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thought I thought it was a fun watch. I wish

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it was a little shorter, and it did make me.

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I was suspicious when I saw that it was an

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Amazon production. I was immediately suspicious and I put my

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thinking hat on and I was like, what is this

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movie trying to tell us? I didn't read the book,

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So I do you want me to get into that

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or wait, no, you can get into it.

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Speaker 3: Sounds it sounds like you liked it, which was the

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main thing I wanted to get. We could get into

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the amazon of it all. In one second, I will

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say I liked the movie. I don't think it was

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a great adaptation. I think that they left a lot

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of context out of this movie. I thought the stakes

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were too low. As a matter of fact, in the

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third act of the movie, the stakes are sat down

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at a desk and explained to another person. They're mentioned

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earlier in the movie, but there's no indication of how

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serious this is or what is to happen to all

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of these people. There's not enough talking about that and

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what it means. And by the time the main character

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is forced to make a decision towards the end of

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the film, I don't think there was enough character development

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about him that is told in the flashbacks that justified

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the decision that he makes in the movie. That being said,

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I've read the books, so for me, I knew why

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he did everything that he did. However, I had to

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rip the context of the books out of my mind

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in order to truly enjoy the movie. And when I

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ripped that context out, then I start to have problems

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with the movie in that sense. Now, all of that

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being said, I will let you dive into the abbas

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it all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the Amazon of it all, right, where I take

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issue is with this obsession with space. We know that

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these you know, Jeff Bezos has Blue Origin, Elon Musk

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has SpaceX, Richard Branson has whatever, Virgin spaceships, whatever he got.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot going on with space.

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Speaker 4: Aerospace is a very key part of the empire, right,

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is it we have to go into outer space to

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another galaxy to save the planet when you could stay

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on the planet and save the planet, like let's talk

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about climate change, let's talk about bombing people and use

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senseless wars capitalism. So so immediately like my mind when

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what is this movie about to tell me? And it's

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just it's propaganda that says the problems on Earth are.

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Speaker 5: Somewhere out there. It's not here.

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Speaker 4: It's not from people like I don't know, you know,

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Jeff Bezos, you know, like billionaires who are just like

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and now you know, you know, no if that is

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like it's not like it's not from these people who

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are like just extracting from the Earth, extracting from people

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just ruining everything. Yo, you want to save the planet,

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get rid of capitalism, you want to save the planet,

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get rid of all these like weapons and nuclear bombs

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and all this shit. You're telling me that it's a

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there's a virus eating the sun?

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 5: I know you got to use imagination.

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Speaker 4: But again when it comes from Amazon, I immediate went

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went there. I was like, all right, this is some

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spaceboy propaganda that keeps that, like once people's imagination to

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be on what's out there and not what's right here,

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to see that the very person bringing you this movie

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is part of the problem.

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Speaker 5: And you know, and.

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Speaker 4: Even in this fantastical movie of this guy who goes

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to another galaxy, right, like I mean, like some very

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unrealistic things happened in this movie, they still could not

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bring themselves to keep the brother alive, which I I

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just that just stuck out to me too.

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Speaker 5: I was like, you still using these.

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Speaker 4: These old tropes in movies, uh, And like, but in

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a movie that is just so completely unreal, why couldn't you,

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you know, could we have avoided that I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I just I just think that.

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Speaker 4: This is one of those movies where like, if you're

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somebody like me who like thinks about all these things

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all the time, just know that you'll have to set

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that part of yourself aside to just enjoy it as

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a fun little movie, because like the writing.

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Speaker 5: Is fun and you know, the story is cute.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's it's you know, yell, little et and eh,

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you know what I'm saying, Like, it's a cool it's

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a cool movie up until like the last maybe half hour. Yeah,

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that's howf away it gets a little lie. I don't

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know what's going on here. They could have cut this off.

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but basically it is propaganda.

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Speaker 5: But if you could set that aside, it is a

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Speaker 3: That, Okay, So I let me just tell you. I'm

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gonna tell you what's in the book. Astrophage is in

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the book, Virus eating the sun is in the book,

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them having to go to tal SETI that's all in

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the book. Now, let me tell you what I think

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is important to note. I think that the story can

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be written and obviously be adapted and be propaganda in

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a very particular way. Where I think the propagand and

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that actually comes in is not necessarily in the main storytelling.

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Speaker 2: But in the low stakes.

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Speaker 3: Basically, we're not gonna talk about the fact that people

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are gonna die starvation all of that, which is horrible,

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a horrible way to die, which they don't really go into.

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Speaker 5: People are dying from that right now.

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Speaker 4: That was the thing, right, Like twenty two hundred and

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fifty million people are gonna die in thirty years. Yo,

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millions of people are dying right now because of stupid wars,

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like and you know, we all know who's at the

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center that us the United States, right, Like so this

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so like what is this? What it does is like

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it creates this world where like those problems don't exist, right,

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of this world and go into this realm and into

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this mindset. So we could watch this movie as if

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like none of this stuff is happening around us. I

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mean not to exaggerate, but at the time, at the

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point in time in which we watched this movie, we

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we are like very much tiptone around World War three,

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and like it just maybe it's the timing of it all.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just could not shake that, like why do we

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a book. I know all of that. I guess it's

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the timing that is like rubbing me wrong about this.

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Speaker 5: It's just like.

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Speaker 4: Why do we need a movie that has us looking

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in out of space? Like why do we have to

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keep going and out of space?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: Because to me, it's just like it's a Blue Origin

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commercial because it's a way for like it's primes everybody's

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mind for you know, Jeff Bezos to be like, this

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is why we got to go out there, because like

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you never know, it might be an alien, it might

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be a Rocky out there something like that, like planting

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Speaker 5: Someone else's agenda.

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Speaker 4: Is now, like we could tell kids, yeah, they we

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want to go on a rocket ship so we can

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see Rocky, Like this is the type of crap that

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Speaker 2: I agree with everything you're saying, but we got to

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refuse the movies.

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Speaker 4: The movie was it was it's a jump.

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Speaker 6: We got Daryl, we got Darryl on a day he

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is on one. I agree with everything you said, let

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me say this, let me say this. I was gonna

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Speaker 3: I was like, I think the one thing the movie

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until your point is that it is very much they

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made the Lego movie to make this a fun and

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silly movie about space, friendship and the beauty of space.

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looking at it, these beautiful shots of big, grandiose shots

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of space, of Lynz Flair, all of these things that

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this sense of, oh man, what a beautiful movie with

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a pretty movie, and then it ends up being about

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friendship in a very specific way, a man and his dog.

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Speaker 3: Ways when it gets to the end, it does feel corny. Specifically,

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all of that being said, I think that Ryan Gosling

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him to have to go from silly to very serious

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at times and very emotional.

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Speaker 2: Was was very good. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's essentially yes, he had a Yes, it's his castaway,

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other than that, other than the blue origin of it all,

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the Amazon of it all, I think at its heart

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it's a fine movie. But as someone who read the book,

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made it an even better movie. But you're right, when

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we're gonna talk to you all about space.

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Speaker 2: What's good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, And again I think i'm.

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Speaker 2: Your rants are on the record, so you're good.

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it's the timing of it all and everything, and I

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Speaker 4: So like, even as I would say, yes, this is

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Speaker 2: Whatever, that's exactly where it will be.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, sure, kick it, watch it,

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enjoy it. Just know it's gonna get corny in the

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last half hour. But like, but also understand that this

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movie reflects where we are in media and where we

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seem to be headed. Where these movies they're gonna have

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big names in them, they're gonna be they're gonna be

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a good quality, but they do serve a purpose. They

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are a brick on somebody's wall. So you know, just

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keep that in mind when you're watching this, you know

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what I'm saying. But yeah, I think Ryan Goslin did great.

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I think I was happy to see Lino boys in it.

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Speaker 2: I was. I loved him. He did great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was happy to see him in it.

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Speaker 4: I was happy to see I don't want disrespect he

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But Sandra Holer, no, the at and T Lady, Oh.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about Marina. Why Marina Marina.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's nice to see like those faces kind

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of pop up and you're just like, oh, okay, bet.

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Speaker 2: That's what's up.

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Speaker 5: But definitely, I was definitely, definitely happy to see Lino Boys.

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Speaker 3: I was happy to see Linel Boys. I was happy

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to see Ken Ken Leung from industry. Very good to

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see him. And I think what you're saying is important

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in terms of UH, in terms of in terms of

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what we can expect to see in what movies are doing,

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in terms of creating culture. This is certainly pushing us

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in a direction, and I think the awareness of that

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going into it might make you watch the movie a

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little bit differently and say, Okay, let's just go ahead

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watch it. A best friend to the show frequent guest

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or formerly frequent quest guess Nicole Hill hates space, hates

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anything to do with space. It's very much And there's

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a poem everybody should look up by Gil Scott heron

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Whitey on the Moon, which will tell you why, especially

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for black folks and space, why it's very unusual for

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us to look up in the stars and wonder in

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a way, even though afrofuturism tells us that we are

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going to be in the future, which I really appreciate,

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and I really appreciate seeing black folks among the stars

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and all that. That's cool, But I think it's important

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to look at a movie like this, and really consider

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everything that you're saying and why a movie like this

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comes out at a time like this. Even if we

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had not attacked Iran right now, we'd still be wondering

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what is this movie trying to tell us about space

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at this moment? But it only feels more ill timed

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when we are primed for World War three. All of

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that being said here at leaving the theater, we rate

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movies out of five stars.

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Speaker 5: And wait, can I say one more thing to your point?

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Speaker 3: Because you can, but you have to do it quickly

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a futurism, yes, and you got to do it in

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less than a minute.

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Speaker 4: What's interesting, too, is I alluded to this earlier of

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everybody who was supposed to go to space who did

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not get to go.

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Speaker 2: When you put it that way, you see what I'm.

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Speaker 5: Saying, who is he replacing? You're right, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: All the people of color and women were zeroed out.

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Speaker 5: No one of the one woman made it.

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Speaker 2: No, she didn't know.

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Speaker 5: They both died like the that's my point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like they were supposed to die though, but

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like they got to space.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, They got to space.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but they died in their comas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, fair they Okay, that one is fair, But

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somebody didn't even make it on the ship.

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Speaker 5: They got rid of them early.

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Speaker 3: And they didn't even give the context as to why

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why they died.

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Speaker 2: The book does the movie doesn't really do a good job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that being said, out of five stars, what do

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you give this movie?

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Speaker 2: Three out of.

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Speaker 4: Five comes to mind? Three point five? Excuse me, three

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point five out of five comes to mind.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I give it a four mostly because I think

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it was good, and I'm actually grading up because I

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think I would normally give it a three point five

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if I had not read the book. I think what

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I think that because I read the book, I wanted

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to grade it down. But I'm assuming that if I

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had not read the book, I would have walked out

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of this saying that's a four star movie. So I'm

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gonna give it four stars.

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Speaker 2: I mean four stars is fair.

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Speaker 5: Two four stars is fair.

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Speaker 3: I think three to five is I think three five

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is also fair. You didn't read the book, so that

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makes me But I also know that the grading down

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that you're giving has more to do with the message.

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Speaker 2: Am I right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, these days, you have to pay attention

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to what a movie is for and what it's trying

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to tell you.

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Speaker 5: Like, it's just where we.

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Speaker 4: Are right now, and we cannot afford to just sit

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down and be like, Okay, it's just a movie, because

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it's not just a movie. It's not just a movie.

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It's never just a thing. It's something more to it,

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especially when it comes to media. So yeah, part of

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it is what the movie is trying to tell us,

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but also how it's put together.

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Speaker 5: There's art, there's creativity to it.

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Speaker 4: There's still big moves, there's still moments that pull out

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your heart strings and all this stuff. So like I'm

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respecting that as well, but overall, yeah, I'm like, what

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direction is this is this movie trying to take us?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not mad at it. That's something I

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do on this show all the time.

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Speaker 3: Even I talk a lot more about like casting decisions

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and what that says for the story. But this is

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a wider lesson with which the few movies and I'm

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not mad at it, So I appreciate it. And with that,

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Leaving the theater is a production of Oh It's Big

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Ron Studios. I mixed this episode and if you like

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this type of cutting edge dialogue about the movies, know

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that it takes a lot of work to get this done.

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I'm seeing a movie tonight, I'm seeing two movies tomorrow.

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I'm seeing Hoppers and Protector. I'm seeing another movie on Friday, Normal,

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and I'm seeing a day's worth of movie on Saturday,

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which I will not be recording for that's just for

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my enjoyment. That's four days of movies. Four of those

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movies I will be recording and making episodes of leaving

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effort that went into that. A lot more effort going

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into it now wait for it, still in production, still

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Thanks for listening and thanks for being on the show.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: How about you're gonna end with something I open your

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third eyes.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ronald Young Junior and

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Speaker 4: I'm extracting from the Earth, extracting from people just ruining everything,