Speaker 1: All right, everyone, this episode of Wrestle Magic, we're having
Speaker 1: another interview with one of these legendary a j W women.
Speaker 1: This time we're talking to Miss in the Way. And
Speaker 1: as we begin, ma'am, how are you doing and what
Speaker 1: have you been up to lately?
Speaker 2: I know, Ima, I know.
Speaker 3: It's even.
Speaker 2: Okay, she's wrestling still, She's still a wrestler. She's wrestling
Speaker 2: this bunch of matches still, and right now she's at
Speaker 2: her own shop and it's kind of busy. Her shot
Speaker 2: up his name a Kayu. It's very busy.
Speaker 1: Now, oh wow. So what kind of shop is it?
Speaker 1: Would you say it was a bar or a restaurant?
Speaker 1: What kind is it?
Speaker 3: What's it gonna? No, my lounge?
Speaker 2: But wan.
Speaker 3: There. So it's it's like a bar lounge.
Speaker 2: It has it has drinks, alcoholic drinks, regular drinks, and
Speaker 2: it also has some food, little dishes that they usually make.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, So a nice little place to be sounds
Speaker 1: like a cool place. So is that over in Tokyo
Speaker 1: or somewhere state side or.
Speaker 2: Tokyo discas okay, So it's in it's in Tokyo. Yes.
Speaker 2: The closest station is called musache Ikayama.
Speaker 3: Station.
Speaker 2: It's in closing Shinagawa Meguro area. It's it's it's right
Speaker 2: by the train station.
Speaker 1: Okay. Cool, Very nice to see you've got a side
Speaker 1: hustle for yourself and you're still wrestling after it's been
Speaker 1: what like thirty years that you've been wrestling so far
Speaker 1: man it.
Speaker 2: Koko s.
Speaker 3: Medics.
Speaker 2: It's been thirty six years this year.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's impressive, I must say, and uh, congratulations on
Speaker 1: being able to have such a long lineage in the
Speaker 1: wrestling business. But I also do want to ask, so
Speaker 1: what does it take to be able to continue to
Speaker 1: wrestle for that long?
Speaker 3: H Yeah? Snap, mine not range.
Speaker 2: Need Okay. So really number one reason was she she
Speaker 2: lost the timing of retiring, but really she was. She
Speaker 2: used to be in the promotion a j W That's
Speaker 2: that's where she started, and in a j W old
Speaker 2: Japan Joshi Wrestling, twenty five year old was the the
Speaker 2: n cut off line for a lot of wrestlers. That
Speaker 2: age was you supposed to retire, but that they quit
Speaker 2: that retirement age of twenty five. So she kept wrestling
Speaker 2: for thirty six years that that she loved.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible and I'm glad to see they were
Speaker 1: able to still keep going and be healthy with it
Speaker 1: and everything. That is incredible. I'm very impressed with that now.
Speaker 2: So the mother no ke Sizani sanjo uk income.
Speaker 3: Still in the schedule, it ni money.
Speaker 2: Okay, so really actually, I've been having a lot of
Speaker 2: injuries about like recently it's a little minor once, but
Speaker 2: like two years ago, she she cut she injured.
Speaker 3: Her Oh okay, you kill yes, both both legs.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's that hurts.
Speaker 2: That was the big injury that she had two years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. Wow. I am
Speaker 1: sorry that you've been dealing with that. But glad to
Speaker 1: see that you're still in good spirits and you still
Speaker 1: seem happy with where you're at.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: The more the more this, I know make it a
Speaker 2: lot of people saying the retirement retirement to her, but
Speaker 2: she keep she could keep on wrestling, and she loves wrestling,
Speaker 2: so she's gonna keep on doing whatever as long as
Speaker 2: her body is allowing her to do.
Speaker 1: Hey, if it's what you love, you might as well continue.
Speaker 1: And I don't blame you. Continue for as long as
Speaker 1: you feel that you can. Honestly, if you think you
Speaker 1: can go forever, do it till the end, if that's
Speaker 1: truly what you love. I don't blame you at.
Speaker 2: All, Ada, I know I can't go there. Job. Thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get into the inner view portions. So
Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning. So can we talk about
Speaker 1: your childhood a little bit and what inspired you to
Speaker 1: become a wrestler.
Speaker 2: And I know, but it is like listening show, so
Speaker 2: they know the got to.
Speaker 3: Tell you this since.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Once in Nanita, you know there that the the guy is.
Speaker 2: A lot of people do not believe her. But as
Speaker 2: soon as she came out crying as a baby, like
Speaker 2: she knew she wanted to be a wrestler. She already
Speaker 2: made up her mind as soon as she came out
Speaker 2: to this world. And she always wanted to be the strongest,
Speaker 2: and she wanted to be rich, and she wanted to
Speaker 2: be famous, and she thought the pro wrestling was what
Speaker 2: she wanted to do to be that to get her
Speaker 2: dream come true. And she always wanted to be the
Speaker 2: strongest woman, the strongest wrestler in the world.
Speaker 1: I can definitely believe that. You know, sometimes you just
Speaker 1: know what you wanted to be from a very early age,
Speaker 1: so that's understandable. Something else that I also noticed about
Speaker 1: I've been watching a few of your matches and getting
Speaker 1: acquainted with a little bit of your career and seeing
Speaker 1: your move set. I've seen a lot of You've done
Speaker 1: a pretty good amount of high flying. I see a
Speaker 1: lot of moves that require a lot of strength, so
Speaker 1: I definitely believe you were definitely showing that you had
Speaker 1: it in you, like slamming Bowlnakano a couple of times
Speaker 1: so that it was impressive to me, and as well
Speaker 1: as a lot of submission olds. So you definitely made
Speaker 1: a balanced move set. But I could see what you
Speaker 1: mean about showing that you were the strongest. I definitely
Speaker 1: believe that.
Speaker 4: So they were so.
Speaker 2: Haring. She's very happy for that. You you, I guess
Speaker 2: you knew all this stuff. Then you studied the study
Speaker 2: her wrestling.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, and uh, Honestly, the matches that I was watching,
Speaker 1: I was very impressed with you, and I'm very glad
Speaker 1: that I have this opportunity right now after seeing it
Speaker 1: because a lot of the things that I saw in there,
Speaker 1: I was thinking it potentially has inspired some of the
Speaker 1: things that I saw in the early two thousands, sometimes
Speaker 1: even with the men's wrestling, and it was better than
Speaker 1: most of the women's wrestling I had seen up to
Speaker 1: a certain point in my life. So I'm very glad
Speaker 1: that I've gotten to experience some of your work. And
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to have you here.
Speaker 2: I know, but I know, meet it, I know, meet
Speaker 2: it there, I know and dance I didn't think, buddy.
Speaker 2: So she's very very happy with your comment.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. So another question that I do want to
Speaker 1: ask about, so what was your face paint that you
Speaker 1: always were inspired by?
Speaker 2: No make so were.
Speaker 3: The s and mine thanking? Yeah with this, but that's
Speaker 3: what baby Mamo to be America the pain and stated
Speaker 3: not the skettle and then the crow skettle on the
Speaker 3: guys there and Kai seven masters I know ia there
Speaker 3: and a cruise and all the on there had paint
Speaker 3: to hi Hi n you know pat nights.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we actually in a j W there was
Speaker 2: three nos like you couldn't do and that was no liquor,
Speaker 2: no tobag gold cigarette, and no men. That was the
Speaker 2: three rules they cannot do. And actually she broke one
Speaker 2: of them and she had to either retire right then
Speaker 2: and there or she had to go. She really wanted
Speaker 2: to be a babyface, but she had to be the heel,
Speaker 2: so she started to do the makeup. She said, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll do the heel, but her favorite carlo was red,
Speaker 2: so they had to ask. She had to ask miss
Speaker 2: bull Nacano for the permission if she could use the
Speaker 2: red because usually the heel they used black. So she
Speaker 2: asked Bunakano if it was okay to use her favorite
Speaker 2: color red, and then that's when it's all started. Like
Speaker 2: if Bacano said no, this face painting would have never started.
Speaker 2: It will never exist. It and the package that she
Speaker 2: just showed, I'm sure the listener can see it. But
Speaker 2: she sell this uh face mask, but it's for like
Speaker 2: to glow your skin type of face mask. But her design,
Speaker 2: her makeup design. You put the mask on and it
Speaker 2: looked like you could be.
Speaker 3: Face mask. That's what she sells at her bar.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's pretty cool. I like that a little bit
Speaker 1: of marketing too. That's pretty cool. But so was there
Speaker 1: any significance behind the design itself, like the ie mask
Speaker 1: shape or was that just something that you just came
Speaker 1: up with and liked.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, Kyoko, I know no idea that.
Speaker 2: Malanka.
Speaker 5: It's it's really just original.
Speaker 2: She she she made it up. That's her original. She
Speaker 2: never really seen like painted wrestler, painted face wrestler before,
Speaker 2: so that was her original design.
Speaker 1: Okay. And I know that you had mentioned about the
Speaker 1: color red. From what I saw, it looked like there
Speaker 1: was either a green or a yellowish color that you
Speaker 1: used to wear as well. Was that Was there any
Speaker 1: significance to that or was that just something to throw
Speaker 1: off the red?
Speaker 3: So it kind oh you know? Then?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'm very impressed Maverick, that you know about that,
Speaker 2: because like a few a few times a year, she
Speaker 2: does change the color because they have a tag league
Speaker 2: and then whoever that she's with as a tag team,
Speaker 2: she's trying to match the color with them.
Speaker 3: So that's a different color that you're seeing.
Speaker 2: She's very impressed that you know about That's.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: But all right, so what influences or role models did
Speaker 1: you have coming up in the business?
Speaker 3: Indicated the more I know, do you know about you?
Speaker 3: So do you put that down there to him?
Speaker 2: Okay, Before she became a wrestler, she really didn't have
Speaker 2: anybody who she was wanted to be, or who she
Speaker 2: was the fan, or she wanted was looking up to.
Speaker 2: She just wanted to be the strongest wrestler that's out there.
Speaker 2: But once she became a wrestler, yes, she she felt
Speaker 2: like wow, like it's very strong, very inspiring. But before
Speaker 2: that she didn't really have anybody.
Speaker 1: I see, Well, sometimes you just become your own role model.
Speaker 1: I guess that's one way to see it.
Speaker 2: Therebun Jibundy know Ja So used to must.
Speaker 3: Send saw you Okay, Yes, she.
Speaker 2: She always wanted to be somebody who she could inspire
Speaker 2: somebody else as a wrestler.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a pretty cool way to look at it.
Speaker 2: Uh So.
Speaker 1: Moving on to the next question. So you had debuted
Speaker 1: back in the late nineteen eighties, So what was the
Speaker 1: training process like? And uh what was the debut process
Speaker 1: like for.
Speaker 3: A A j A W.
Speaker 1: I was about to say a w by accident.
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, Kyoko someone thank you. I need no debut,
Speaker 2: so go there. I know, turining debut, what do you
Speaker 2: can't do it?
Speaker 3: But Jaga it did scuat.
Speaker 2: Okay. So her trainer the when she became a wrestler
Speaker 2: was a Jago Yokota, and back then it was so different.
Speaker 2: It was it was so different from now. It was
Speaker 2: squat one thousand times and set ups one thousand times
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Was that number was just crazy.
Speaker 2: That was normal back then in a j W.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they made sure you were in shape. That's impressive.
Speaker 1: Was there a time limit for how long you had
Speaker 1: to hit one thousand or was it just keep going
Speaker 1: till you can do it?
Speaker 3: Put it? Discuss at all?
Speaker 2: And so once the thousand is done, it goes the
Speaker 2: next training. So whoever, that's slow. The training times get
Speaker 2: longer and longer.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting. So did you feel like it was a
Speaker 1: good thing to have or did you think that it
Speaker 1: was overbearing and just not necessary.
Speaker 2: I know, I know through.
Speaker 3: It whatever.
Speaker 2: More that.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So nowadays you have to take a water break,
Speaker 2: you have to take some break when they're practicing and training.
Speaker 2: But that time during the a j W, it was
Speaker 2: like more like a spartan exercise that you have to
Speaker 2: do it. They will let you know that, they will,
Speaker 2: you know, make sure you have to do it. They
Speaker 2: sometimes they get physical if you don't do it, and
Speaker 2: that was normal for them. So she went through that
Speaker 2: that time she was she wanted to just cry and
Speaker 2: leave and they not want to do any of those training.
Speaker 2: But if she thinks think about it now, that uh
Speaker 2: it worked because she could take anything in that ring
Speaker 2: right now because of that training that she had.
Speaker 1: I see, so it really did build you up in
Speaker 1: a way that it could not nobody could break you
Speaker 1: at that point. I like that thought process that it
Speaker 1: really did build you up.
Speaker 2: It's sanderstands. I think that was the biggest thing, like mentally,
Speaker 2: especially physically of course, but mentally as it was, it
Speaker 2: became really important for her.
Speaker 3: It became really strong from that training.
Speaker 1: I see. So what do you remember most about your
Speaker 1: early days in a j W?
Speaker 3: So Nanny can share the madam, Yes there be in
Speaker 3: this skettle Nanda mm hm, who can do?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Share? You got and music? You got the musical, the
Speaker 3: lokotos and I just canno coming like you can cake
Speaker 3: and I too come okay. So you know the monakaka,
Speaker 3: the yep, you know, the can I took you are
Speaker 3: the sketle, I know even the kodak the we go
Speaker 3: get I okay.
Speaker 2: So it's like she had to during the a j
Speaker 2: W run. She had to have over three hundred matches
Speaker 2: a year, so it's really was she if she had time,
Speaker 2: she just enjoyed sleeping. The sleeping was the most time.
Speaker 2: That that's all she remembered, the sleeping time. If she
Speaker 2: has time for sleep, like even if it's like, uh,
Speaker 2: she thought one time it was four o'clock. She thought
Speaker 2: it was four a m. But it was four pm.
Speaker 2: She was sleeping until when she didn't have match. And
Speaker 2: even though she had to do certain things that she
Speaker 2: had to do like cut her hair, go to you know, beauty,
Speaker 2: beauty someone anything, she wouldn't she she had to do that,
Speaker 2: but just sleep was the biggest thing. But the only
Speaker 2: thing was during the match. Like when she was in
Speaker 2: the Newcomer, they didn't really have matches, so that was
Speaker 2: kind of tough for her because she could have had matches.
Speaker 2: But when she became really good and start having a
Speaker 2: lot of matches, even though it was more than three
Speaker 2: hundred matches a year, she felt like it was fun
Speaker 2: that how can I do this match? How can I
Speaker 2: go against this opponent? That she it was fun planning
Speaker 2: for that match.
Speaker 1: Every time I see I see and you mentioning about
Speaker 1: sleeping a lot. That kind of makes me think of
Speaker 1: like how a teenager is after high school all the time.
Speaker 1: So now it's making me question, So how old were
Speaker 1: you when you made your debut and when you were
Speaker 1: in training for ajw it.
Speaker 2: To Kukasawa on the Non Sign of Dooky debut, she Masakato.
Speaker 3: Cut good.
Speaker 2: She was nineteen years old. She just graduated high school.
Speaker 2: So she was nineteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so pretty young but not like you know,
Speaker 1: not like sixteen or anything like that. That's very cool
Speaker 1: that you were able to get in there young, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that you were always constantly thinking
Speaker 1: about how can I do these different matches because you
Speaker 1: can see a little bit of your style and your
Speaker 1: philosophy in every match coming out in the storytelling that
Speaker 1: you were able to portray. And I really appreciated the
Speaker 1: work that you were able to put into it.
Speaker 2: So no, ye, buddy, I know, but kyogo.
Speaker 3: This so no he I take a come get it
Speaker 3: was there said the county. There are quite quite don't
Speaker 3: don't you this neck? But so you but said yeah,
Speaker 3: is gonna there my so yeah then okay some and
Speaker 3: I know most but saying.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they while they were well, she was having mads.
Speaker 2: Certain opponents then not really get like show planned man
Speaker 2: that she'll go this way, but the opponent wouldn't really
Speaker 2: get into the same thing that she was thinking about.
Speaker 2: But certain wrestlers that she had a match with, they
Speaker 2: could go back and forth, back and forth, like if
Speaker 2: she get to do some style, they do some other styles,
Speaker 2: she'll do some other you know, she'd just keep on
Speaker 2: going back and forth. And I think that's made her
Speaker 2: feel like, oh, this is fun opponent, fun match, and
Speaker 2: she feels like those matches are the one that fans
Speaker 2: feel like it's one of those best bouts because she
Speaker 2: could feel the other opponent like they really got into it,
Speaker 2: really good matches.
Speaker 1: I see, I see. That's really cool that you were
Speaker 1: able to bounce off each other's styles that way and
Speaker 1: create a great match afterwards. That's really awesome that you
Speaker 1: were able to figure out her feel that you could
Speaker 1: really do that with some opponents that way. I don't
Speaker 1: really like that you were receptive to bouncing back and
Speaker 1: forth like that.
Speaker 2: So they were, isn't it think?
Speaker 3: So you e E I did? Do you want.
Speaker 2: To?
Speaker 3: You must say, saying shoe Congo saying shoe, shoe, my
Speaker 3: Kui said thistle, and.
Speaker 2: So it's like she didn't have to It feels like
Speaker 2: it was a conversation. They didn't have to conversate, but
Speaker 2: it was felt like a conversation where they were doing
Speaker 2: their each style and example, the most wrestlers that went
Speaker 2: against like that was Manami, Toyota, Aja Kon, and for her,
Speaker 2: those are like one of the best threes. Of course
Speaker 2: there were other wrestlers, but that was the most the
Speaker 2: best three wrestlers that she feels.
Speaker 1: She feels like that, I see, totally understandable and I
Speaker 1: can agree with that. But one thing I do also
Speaker 1: want to ask about is so I did want to
Speaker 1: ask about this earlier, but it's just been in the
Speaker 1: back of my head. So how was your relationship with
Speaker 1: Jaguar Yakota and your training with her and everything.
Speaker 2: Jaga san.
Speaker 3: M you got the disc about so quo not cotes not.
Speaker 2: More.
Speaker 3: We're gonna same bike so that more coutes.
Speaker 1: So you.
Speaker 3: Know, I know she nice. The Mastasinami you see to
Speaker 3: not as soon as I did. Yoka is my personal
Speaker 3: Then the more you're takena I know, I know.
Speaker 2: You okay, So when she when Jago your Quota became
Speaker 2: her trainer. It's it was because other people when she
Speaker 2: was still retau when she when she became Koko trainer,
Speaker 2: she just retired as a wrestler. She retired once, so
Speaker 2: she wasn't a wrestler, so she was just a trainer.
Speaker 2: But when she was like really wrestler. While she was
Speaker 2: she didn't retire, everybody couldn't really say much because she's
Speaker 2: a sempi. She has a higher authority in that world,
Speaker 2: so she wasn't a sempi anymore. She became she's she
Speaker 2: has retired, and she felt more motherly like. So there
Speaker 2: was no they couldn't joke about anything to Sampie like
Speaker 2: a higher person. But she they were able to joke
Speaker 2: around or talk about certain thing that they were going through,
Speaker 2: like personal stuff also, so she really felt like she
Speaker 2: was more like a motherly figure.
Speaker 1: Then, Okay, that's cool. I'm glad that you were able
Speaker 1: to have that relationship with your trainer at that point
Speaker 1: and not feel so on a or anything like that
Speaker 1: with her. That's a really good that you were able
Speaker 1: to have that relationship. I'm really glad for that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So next question that I did want to ask about.
Speaker 1: So I had read a little bit and I saw
Speaker 1: a matter or two about the tag team that you
Speaker 1: were in called double you know, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask about. So did they just put you two together
Speaker 1: because your guys' last names. Did they call in a
Speaker 1: meeting like, hey, we're thinking about doing this, or did
Speaker 1: they just put it together one day on a car
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, this is your guys team name. Now,
Speaker 1: this is who you're going to be.
Speaker 3: So I know, you know, you know, you know with
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Music Hi. I think so, I think that the a
Speaker 2: j W thought of in the beginning, it was like
Speaker 2: because they both had that same last name.
Speaker 1: Okay, did they think that you guys were related or
Speaker 1: something or was that just coincidence? Uh?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 2: No, H goes in in a way to you know my.
Speaker 3: Hi, and the the that towlds you are, I know,
Speaker 3: I know what you know and Antonio know because you
Speaker 3: guys know course don't don't dremp gandastic to your car.
Speaker 3: You know that ant and I know mass g John
Speaker 3: my standing and that you know the Marquel.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 2: Okay, So back in the days in a j W,
Speaker 2: they were like more like really honest about things, and
Speaker 2: they used to be like, yeah, they did put together
Speaker 2: because their last name is together. But she was called
Speaker 2: the ugly you know a way, and the other one
Speaker 2: missed tacago you know, it was called the pretty you
Speaker 2: know way. So they called because if they both called
Speaker 2: their name, you know, they both turn around, so they
Speaker 2: had to call one ugly you know and the other
Speaker 2: one in the pretty you know way. So it was
Speaker 2: it was like that. But in the beginning, yes, they
Speaker 2: were together tagged because of their last name was the same,
Speaker 2: but it really their style and everything really got into
Speaker 2: it like it matched each other there, so they really
Speaker 2: became a good tag team.
Speaker 1: That's what I was about to bring up, actually was
Speaker 1: I thought that your guys's move sets, from what I
Speaker 1: had seen, complimented each other very well. And I thought
Speaker 1: they were similar but not the same, and it worked
Speaker 1: well that you guys really did work well together, and
Speaker 1: I really appreciate watching. I believe it was YouTube versus
Speaker 1: Bnami Toyota, and there was I don't remember the last
Speaker 1: name of the other person. I want to say it
Speaker 1: was yum Motto. I don't remember the last name.
Speaker 2: Santo stuck up.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Three could I could happy and there then I discover no,
Speaker 3: no there Iki very h's so big, but that was
Speaker 3: moster Henzo steps then not skettle and something personal there
Speaker 3: you know now you know market could I know three
Speaker 3: caculdn no saying Wami was that that is your net?
Speaker 3: That that mon because I know you could, I know
Speaker 3: that you know very you could Diamond attack. You know
Speaker 3: this the skettle and the tiny marcinize you Heno steps
Speaker 3: and occuse you that's Diamond, that's ar taco to so
Speaker 3: okay kicking you must start okay?
Speaker 2: So I she think you watched the show that they
Speaker 2: with the Hagawa Toyota Manami versus. The story behind that
Speaker 2: was they were ninety ninth champion and they just wanted
Speaker 2: to be the hundredth champion, but you have to give
Speaker 2: the belt back once to be the hundredths champion. They
Speaker 2: cannot hold the belt to be hundreds champions, so they
Speaker 2: decided to give the belt back so they knew they
Speaker 2: were gonna win. The tag was so good that they
Speaker 2: already had a confidence of winning, so they gave the
Speaker 2: belt back and then they went against this tag and
Speaker 2: then they became a hundredth champion.
Speaker 3: Themselves.
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, that's a that's really cool that you were
Speaker 1: able to become the hundredth champion. That's interesting that you
Speaker 1: had to give it back so that you could do that.
Speaker 2: I didn't I.
Speaker 1: Didn't ever think about anything like that, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know that's what was going on either at the time.
Speaker 1: But I just looked up the name. It was Toshio
Speaker 1: Yamada was the name that I was looking for.
Speaker 2: Oh ya, you know.
Speaker 3: So YouTube, Okay, should exactly remember.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. It's been a while, so I don't
Speaker 1: blame you. But uh, all right, So moving on from there, So,
Speaker 1: did you face any resistance as a woman entering the
Speaker 1: wrestling business?
Speaker 3: No, Susan I discover does know.
Speaker 2: I know? Oh so, she said, as a female wrestler,
Speaker 2: it felt like because she was a female. Uh, female
Speaker 2: has a softer body move so she could do like
Speaker 2: a different style. And just because the women's wrestler when
Speaker 2: they come in as an entrance with the music, it's
Speaker 2: it's way more pizazz like, it's it's more costume, is
Speaker 2: looking nice more than like a men's wrestler. So as
Speaker 2: a woman's wrestler, she felt like there was so much
Speaker 2: she could do than a men's wrestler.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 1: Uh, there's only one men's wrestler that I will say
Speaker 1: probably takes the cake on entrance and outfit being a
Speaker 1: little bit more crazy, And that would be seth Rawlins.
Speaker 1: If she's familiar with the things he's been doing.
Speaker 2: Oh uh, dance, w war, skedo, chagar sonjo.
Speaker 3: So oh.
Speaker 2: Never yeah, because the entrance really make it, especially for
Speaker 2: the pro wrestlers. She wanted to be make it like
Speaker 2: a gorgeous, a beautiful. She wanted to make a good entrance,
Speaker 2: so she did her own things. She did her own
Speaker 2: style the entrance as a woman's wrestler.
Speaker 1: I see, I see, and uh. Something that I noticed
Speaker 1: about uh, I think it was more in the early nineties.
Speaker 1: It sounded like you had van Halen playing as your
Speaker 1: entrance music. Was that accurate? And are you a fan
Speaker 1: of van Halen?
Speaker 3: So cutue name so the new bank hitting national so
Speaker 3: no fun on the yeah you too.
Speaker 2: Well you know.
Speaker 3: Stem this. She became a fan once she listened to it.
Speaker 3: Somebody brought her.
Speaker 2: The music and actually she did not know who it was,
Speaker 2: but once she heard that music in Japan, all the
Speaker 2: fans knew once that music come on. It was with music.
Speaker 2: So as soon as she heard the music, listen to
Speaker 2: the music, Yes, she became a fan.
Speaker 1: I see, So what made you change you later on?
Speaker 1: Then if I'm okay with if you're okay with me
Speaker 1: asking that.
Speaker 3: I know and I just got she she had to
Speaker 3: change it because of the copyright use and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: She's not sure, but it okay.
Speaker 2: So back then, Fuji Television, a huge TV company, had
Speaker 2: the A j W back, so it was them who
Speaker 2: made a similar song to van Halen song. So I'm
Speaker 2: sure it was that TV company that said it's a
Speaker 2: copyright issue. So they made the song entrance music that
Speaker 2: was really similar to that.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense because I was going to say
Speaker 1: it did still sound like a van Halen esque once
Speaker 1: it was changed, just wasn't you know, it wasn't an
Speaker 1: actual like song from them, but you could still tell
Speaker 1: that it had some inspiration we could say from van Halen,
Speaker 1: which if that's what you liked, I'm glad they were
Speaker 1: able to stick with it for you and this.
Speaker 3: Hi T.
Speaker 2: Episode.
Speaker 3: Hi Hi.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you were part of some legendary matches in
Speaker 1: the nineties. Do any of them stand out as meaningful
Speaker 1: or challenging to you today.
Speaker 3: It's a cute you know, you know it's I'm not.
Speaker 2: I know, do you show sing?
Speaker 3: I know? Want your mind? Is someone some accent plastics
Speaker 3: the schedule and look know it's the moon. This is
Speaker 3: only what you go, I'm saying. Someone see it took
Speaker 3: over sent the most look the knacka that's you go
Speaker 3: knocka look at it. I said, stop get scaling that
Speaker 3: buddy Oka my look at it was another st.
Speaker 2: Okay so And during the nineties she had sixty minute matches,
Speaker 2: sixty minute match draw matches, and she went against Manami
Speaker 2: Toyota sixty minutes, lioniz Osca for sixty minutes, and she
Speaker 2: believed another person was calaru Ito for sixty minutes. But
Speaker 2: she was just so happy that she could wrestle the
Speaker 2: favorite wrestling that she loved for sixty minutes in front
Speaker 2: of the from the audience. So even though they couldn't
Speaker 2: it was all draw matches, she was just so happy
Speaker 2: that she was able to wrestle for sixty minutes in
Speaker 2: front of the audience. And that was the most thing
Speaker 2: that she remembered.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's really cool. I like that outlook that you
Speaker 1: just really liked being able to wrestle for that long
Speaker 1: in front of the crowd. If I may say so myself,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed watching some of your matches with Manami Toyota.
Speaker 1: I thought they were very impressive. Both of your guys
Speaker 1: move sets worked well together. And then my personal favorite
Speaker 1: match that I saw though was Bowlnakano against you, because
Speaker 1: seeing how she was hitting her leg drop on you
Speaker 1: over and over and you just kept kicking out, it
Speaker 1: felt inspirational for a second, like you just did not
Speaker 1: want to quit, and I felt like that was the
Speaker 1: story that you were giving off. And then when you
Speaker 1: won finally, it was a nice moment. I really liked
Speaker 1: watching it.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah Ti Manko and Ti Buddhist and Nan
Speaker 2: and Nano okay I got the actually taking Koko Sanga
Speaker 2: and shurely stand the skeeddo so there are in shok
Speaker 2: there and story most going I know, right, you know
Speaker 2: cuts to you so so they got suco ino sta.
Speaker 3: Only do you know Mata when his start must see
Speaker 3: doing you only them what what the them? During the baron.
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Think you know you know Minnesota gid, but you know
Speaker 3: most the stand the schedule, so the more and money
Speaker 3: when the hotel are dated, theresetta know there I know
Speaker 3: in the schedule more what the guy then okay, okay,
Speaker 3: you can take so then you know the easy to
Speaker 3: you know had mot instantly know what share this.
Speaker 2: M hm okay. So with Bono, yes, she was a
Speaker 2: Bonano all that time during the bus uh during when
Speaker 2: they had to move the the area to the next match,
Speaker 2: she was always with her and she did moon salt
Speaker 2: guilletine drop over and over again. And the respect was
Speaker 2: to take the take all the style that they kick
Speaker 2: each other, they put out each other, and that was
Speaker 2: like a respect not to to take it in with
Speaker 2: their body physically and just to win over Bonakano.
Speaker 3: That was like a.
Speaker 2: Most respectful way to tell her thank you, like appreciate,
Speaker 2: appreciation and with the respect. So that's what it meant.
Speaker 2: So she was really trying to win the match just
Speaker 2: to show her respect to Boncano.
Speaker 1: See I see, and that's a it was a very
Speaker 1: good match, which I will say. But moving on from that,
Speaker 1: so I do want to ask about your time in
Speaker 1: w w F a little bit. It seemed like you
Speaker 1: had just a couple of matches there but you still
Speaker 1: performed very well. The tag team match you were in
Speaker 1: with Lundre Blaze, it felt like the spotlight really was
Speaker 1: on you and it showed your abilities very well. But
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you about how was your
Speaker 1: experience coming over to w w F versus working in
Speaker 1: a j W.
Speaker 2: W W suppose buddy my so no kicking kicking kicking h.
Speaker 3: Im not saying no, not that guy is there? Tony
Speaker 3: and me your knee, we said, go can master see
Speaker 3: and know.
Speaker 5: Just what.
Speaker 3: This? What that made you that? And does things?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: There made you gip it down this neck? That's Tuki
Speaker 3: with the debutsuki and know it's joking. And my my guy,
Speaker 3: I know we know personal and sty Toka and kip
Speaker 3: it you know them and then stand there maybe look
Speaker 3: and made you not not the schedule and let's go.
Speaker 3: I know, I know that's not I don't know others
Speaker 3: Adam the high like this.
Speaker 2: Okay, Medusa, it's high.
Speaker 4: Hoo this.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So Alandro Blaze was her name is Medusa?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: So actually when Medusa was out, she was like Kyoko
Speaker 2: was like a newcomer. So she was she was like
Speaker 2: attendant for Medusa in the beginning so when she had
Speaker 2: a song out in Japan, she had a song Medusa
Speaker 2: had a song out in Japanese, and they had to
Speaker 2: put the costume. She used to zip up her zipper
Speaker 2: in the back. She used to give her the microphone
Speaker 2: get ready for her and stuff like that for the
Speaker 2: song and stuff. And they used to call her adamo Chan.
Speaker 2: That was Koko's nickname. Medusa used to call her that
Speaker 2: because that was the character that she used to imitate.
Speaker 2: So they start calling her adamo Chan. But the most
Speaker 2: thing when WWF was the stage was so big that
Speaker 2: she was she always was thinking about how can the
Speaker 2: top floor all the way in the back the audience
Speaker 2: could see her since it's a huge stadium that she
Speaker 2: had to wrestle all the time. So that was the
Speaker 2: only thing she always thought about, like about the audience
Speaker 2: and the fans if they could see her.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what about some culture shocks coming to the US.
Speaker 1: Did you see your experience anything that felt different than
Speaker 1: what you were expecting or anything like that, just in
Speaker 1: the US in general, not just performing.
Speaker 3: American I know, Sam, I know, I know, I know,
Speaker 3: and trying to be Christmas Okay.
Speaker 2: So the she was kind of shocked because they had
Speaker 2: doctor checked before the matches. The doctors make sure they
Speaker 2: good to go with the match. That was different from Japan.
Speaker 2: And they also said pro wrestler is a star, so
Speaker 2: they cannot wear no sweats. They have to look nice
Speaker 2: when they're entering even though they're entering the venue. They
Speaker 2: wanted everybody to look nice to come in, not the
Speaker 2: sweats and.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And the most thing that she was shocked was like
Speaker 2: they had a catering like a buffet, and she really
Speaker 2: wanted to eat a lot of the different things, but
Speaker 2: she already had, you know, she was having a match
Speaker 2: that day. But she did eat eat some because because
Speaker 2: that was like really different from Japan, they didn't have
Speaker 2: all the catering and all the food that was ready
Speaker 2: for the wrestlers.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting thing to look at when you're
Speaker 1: going between different countries and seeing how they treat you.
Speaker 1: But uh, all right, so coming down to the end here,
Speaker 1: but so what do you hope your legacy on wrestling will.
Speaker 2: Be kokos and dishing juve?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: There s not so not there that they have because
Speaker 3: you send you so locause you like hiday me don
Speaker 3: this get up and the more high text them the
Speaker 3: gig and to you no no there and know its
Speaker 3: like you know on the name thanka, don't gonna eat
Speaker 3: them more. You know, I don't get up Nka that's
Speaker 3: a night. So this called mik epping omal.
Speaker 6: The cart you see the car don'ts together but tosing
Speaker 6: me now image day this your no no there thnka
Speaker 6: se s I men.
Speaker 3: I saw you linka sos in there. It's the more
Speaker 3: you ma and you look they musket about.
Speaker 2: Okay. So as a as a pro wrestler. Back in
Speaker 2: the days when you had to be a wrestler, there
Speaker 2: was certain rule that you had to be one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty centimeters that's about five foot three or something
Speaker 2: like that. But with the sixty kilograms that's about one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty pounds or something. You have to have
Speaker 2: more than that. And that was like a minimum they
Speaker 2: got they had to have. This was a rule that
Speaker 2: you have to have that physic physical But she always
Speaker 2: wanted to be the image as a pro wrestler. If
Speaker 2: somebody's watching her, she will order more rice, She'll order
Speaker 2: another dish, just to show that wrestler's image is big
Speaker 2: and super it's extra, it's different, like they want. She
Speaker 2: always wanted to show her that she's a professional like that.
Speaker 2: And the image is like, even though it's raining, she
Speaker 2: wouldn't put the umbrella up. She'll walk in the rain
Speaker 2: without the umbrella. It's just an image. But she's fifty
Speaker 2: six year olds now and she always want people to
Speaker 2: see her as a pro wrestler, is strong and it's
Speaker 2: like a hero.
Speaker 3: That's what she wants portray as a kilcoy.
Speaker 1: I see, I see.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 1: You always want to be that side of you, that
Speaker 1: wrestling persona that you have created. But all right, so
Speaker 1: we are getting towards the end here, So I do
Speaker 1: want to ask you, ma'am, as we always ask at
Speaker 1: the end of Wrestle Magic, do you have any kind
Speaker 1: of recommendation for the audience? Could be a movie, TV show, restaurant,
Speaker 1: video games, poems, Catherine's dog greats, doesn't really matter. It
Speaker 1: just something that you like.
Speaker 2: Now it's a psyg I know you must singer, must
Speaker 2: she must when you come to Japan, please come to
Speaker 2: my bar a kayu past And she's selling the face mask.
Speaker 2: Like earlier, I told you, it's like you could become Kyoko.
Speaker 2: Maybe Marick, you could take a picture of that, maybe
Speaker 2: put it up on the website or something anything. But
Speaker 2: she sells that, so you could be Kyoko you know where.
Speaker 2: Also everybody could be Kyoko you know where? And her
Speaker 2: I think it's posted on her Instagram also, And this
Speaker 2: bar is in Musashi Koyama. It's in Tokyo. The closest
Speaker 2: station is Musashi Koyama. You get out the exit, you
Speaker 2: keep walking to the big main street and you see
Speaker 2: her big face on the on the building. You you
Speaker 2: cannot miss it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's pretty awesome that you've got your own
Speaker 1: mural on the building and everything. But so if fans
Speaker 1: wanted to reach out to you, how would they do?
Speaker 2: So? And jojok okay, So she does the ex the
Speaker 2: twitter at the Onama on Twitter handle. Excellent.
Speaker 3: I thought that.
Speaker 2: She'll send you the the ex handle. She can't. She
Speaker 2: don't have it in hand. She don't really remember right
Speaker 2: in hand right now. But she do also have an Instagram,
Speaker 2: but X she do keep putting up the new things.
Speaker 1: So okay, no problem, I'll go ahead and I'll tag
Speaker 1: it once this is posted and everything. Uh so Keino
Speaker 1: do you have a recommendation for this week as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, I forget about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you know that?
Speaker 3: Did I say that the wrestling movie.
Speaker 1: That's the ring I think you did before?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, oh gosh, I don't. Okay, So i'll you know
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna recommend she since she came out with
Speaker 2: the restaurant, I'm gonna recommend a restaurant. There's another restaurant
Speaker 2: around Koko's. If you go to Kioko's Bar, there's another
Speaker 2: restaurant who another wrestler is running and her name is
Speaker 2: Kyle Rukage and restaurant name is mesh Quite. So just
Speaker 2: just you could google Meshi Kuite and there's a a
Speaker 2: really fresh everything meat fish if you come to Japan Tokyo,
Speaker 2: I recommend going there, and then you could go to
Speaker 2: Kilko's Bar after that.
Speaker 1: Sounds amazing, But uh, all right, so my recommendation for
Speaker 1: this week, I'm gonna say an old video game that
Speaker 1: I haven't played in a while but I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: getting back into. It's called Braid. It it's kind of
Speaker 1: like a Super Mario, has a very dark story behind it.
Speaker 1: But enough about that. So you guys know how I
Speaker 1: usually end the show do something nice for somebody you
Speaker 1: never know who needs it out there. And miss Kilko
Speaker 1: I thank you very much for being on the show.
Speaker 1: It it's been an honor to have you and with
Speaker 1: that we're out.
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