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and to ride, they sound so good. As you know

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around here, when we have a guest in studio, we

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let them choose their walk on song, and this is

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the song chosen by mister Ernest Harden Junior.

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Speaker 1: And when he walked in the studio, we gave each

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other the biggest and longest hug.

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Speaker 2: I have not seen this brother in years, but we

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used to hang out many, many years ago. And when

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I saw the news that he'd been Emmy nominated for

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his role on the Pit, I'll tell you more about

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it in just a second, I just smiled ear to

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ear and I am so grateful. I told my staff.

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They get surprised. I've been at this for so long.

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My staff gets tickled. All the folk I know, all

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the places I've done, all the things I have been

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exposed to. But I've been at this for thirty five years, right,

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and so I've just met so many people, and sometimes

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I run into people. We just just grinted each other

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at the ways that we've been blessed over the decade.

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Speaker 1: And Ernest Harden Jr.

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Speaker 2: Has stayed with this acting thing for all these years,

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and I am so just thrilled that he is now

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an Emmy nominee. He is Immy nominated for his Outstanding

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guest appearance on the HBO Max hit medical drama The Pit.

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And before I get into the conversation with him, let

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me give you a little taste of this role for

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which he's Immy nominated.

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Speaker 3: What's up with you, tooth lily?

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Speaker 4: That's been going on for a while, but it got

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bad last night, layd left side.

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Speaker 3: It could be an infection at the room. We can

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drain it, but then you're your breathing kind of fast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been well. I've been h walking more, trying

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to get in shape. Sometimes like I get a little

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short of breath.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to walk past the liquor store, not

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into it. Well shape your getting it's for liver transplant.

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Speaker 5: I don't need a new liver. Just get rid of

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this Tuesday deep.

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Speaker 2: First of all, The Pit is one of the hottest

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shows on television. I'm a brag for a second. I

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have a barber. My barber in LA's got naim d.

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the hair guy on the TV show The Pit, So

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shout out to my barber d Uh for his amazing

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work on that particular show. But everybody's watching this show,

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everybody's talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Ernest Harden Jr.

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Speaker 2: You are no an Emmy nominee for your outstanding guest

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appearance on the show. So first of all, congratulations, man,

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I'm so.

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Speaker 1: Happy for you.

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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you so much. Man. You know it's myove

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to be here. Man.

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Speaker 4: We just man, I've been watching you and doing your

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thing for years, and I'm just so proud of you

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every time.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm just your biggest fan.

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Speaker 2: Man. That's it's a mutual admiration society. Then tell me

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about this particular role. How it came to be.

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Speaker 4: Well, I tell you, you know, I auditioned for it,

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like so many actitudes nowadays since COVID they have to

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send in your audition tape. They seem to like me,

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and they called me in to read and I read

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for another role and I thought.

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Speaker 5: It was a nice role.

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Speaker 4: It was the role of a black man talking to

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a young white doctor and giving him an encouragement and

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telling him because he's the first doctor in their family.

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How proud he was of him, and how proud this

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parent parents should be. Well, I thought that role was great,

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and they they When I got home, my manager called

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me and said, they love you. I said, oh, fantastic. Yeah,

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they want you to play a different role than they

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want you to be the drunk. I said, oh, man,

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another drunk black man, here we go. But then they

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said that, but this guy is going to be like

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a semi regular. I said, so give me something to drink,

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you know. But the thing is the way I approached though.

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I'm a member of the Actress Studio and they're renowned.

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Albertino runs it in New York. Martin Landau before it died,

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was ahead of it out here, and we go deep.

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of us feel that we're the best actors.

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Speaker 1: In the world.

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Robert de Niro, Albatino, these are people, remember, and I'm

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a lifetime member. So I said, let me make this

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role as real as possible.

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Speaker 5: Let me just.

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Speaker 4: Try to be because alcoholism is serious. A lot of

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people are addicted to it, and so I came with

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that approach and they allowed me to do it. It

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wasn't just the yeah, you got a good smile or something.

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I wanted to be real, and that's what happened, and

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it took off that way. I appreciate them for like,

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just give me that space to work and do what

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Speaker 5: And I don't know you want to.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no no.

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mentioned and I've heard the story from many other actors

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starts exactly. So let me just tell you this. This

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won't surprise you. I'm in this studio every day for

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three hours doing my national radio show, and I always

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always prefer that you come in studio if you can.

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It just makes a difference when you in my face

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and you and I are friends from way back, wins.

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Speaker 6: I just want to see your face and give you

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a hug. I'm glad you came here.

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Speaker 2: But even if we want friends, I prefer people coming

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine.

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Speaker 2: But I prefer in studio. What is it like trying

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to win an audition when you got to record yourself

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look somebody in the eye and show them how gifted

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Speaker 5: They just set up there and looked at TV. It

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Speaker 4: Sure, but you're right, that's why, Like after they looked

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me in to audition in front of people, and it

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Speaker 1: But but but now you've got to be creative on tape.

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Speaker 5: You know what? The advantage there's a bit disadvantage and

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Speaker 4: Disadvantage is right, you don't have that personal connection with them,

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but the advantages you get to try it and do

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it to you feel that is wrong, So it's it's

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Speaker 1: So as many takes as you need, and it takes

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Speaker 4: But you know what, I go to a studio that

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does it and uh and she's charging.

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Speaker 5: So like I tried to get mine right.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's another discivent.

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Speaker 6: Not you got you gotta pay for your auditions.

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Speaker 4: Well not everybody does it. Some people do it at home.

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his quality. Yeah, yeah, so you know I am hard

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and right man. He is Ernest Hart Jr.

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Speaker 2: Now he's Ernest hard junior Emmy nominee that will follow

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him hopefully Emmy Wimmer, Emmy winner, but Emmy nominee will

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follow him. That's why I love get nominated. It follows

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you the rest of your life. Emmy nominee Ernest Harden Jr.

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I was watching The Jeffersons the other night and all,

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and I love seeing Ernest Harden Jr. On those episodes

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of the Jeffersons. We're talking about his career a bit

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more than we come forward here on Tavis Smiley, Ernest

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Hard and Jr. He and I just catching up on

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old times again. Life just in the way sometimes, and

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his thing, and I've been watching him on the screen,

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big screen, in small screen for years now. He's watching

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me on television, listening on the radio. So it's just

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somebody said it was an easter ray. I'm rooting for

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everybody black. I'm rooting for everybody black. And it's just

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good when your friends get the respect and honor that

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Speaker 5: You.

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Speaker 2: You've been a long distance runner at this man. I

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Jeffersons and I love seeing you on The Jeffersons. And

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when I saw again that you had received the semi

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nomination for your role on the Pit, it was just

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a just a feeling of joy.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that, man, you know. Yeah, the Jeffersons was

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Speaker 5: Ago was that? And before that?

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Speaker 4: I actually started when I got out of Biscus State

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Speaker 5: I got out with a degree in theater the Spartans Spartans,

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and we went to New York. I went to New York.

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doing just everything I could stand on people's flow words,

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and I got to And then I finally got a

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break in a movie called Three Days at the Condor,

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which became a classic with Robert Redford and Fate Dunaway.

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Speaker 5: After that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, legendary.

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Speaker 5: I made that. It's funny.

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Speaker 4: I didn't understand at the time how big that movie

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was gonna get, but it became a classic. My name

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I got a screen test for a show, a movie

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called Apocalypse Now which flew ball and and the two

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guys were on the plane that were up for the roll.

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Fishburne the rest of his history. But but I I

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Speaker 4: I said, let me go to LA and get a

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little film of myself, more film so I can do

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you know, they weren't just having me in the back

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round or something.

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Speaker 5: Maybe be a little bit more recognized.

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Speaker 4: And I got a co commercial and then I got

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a role called on The Jeffersons as Jason King, not

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Marcus Henderson, Jason King and I did that and they

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liked me so much because they liked the chemistry between

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me and Sherman Sherman Himsley that they called me before

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Speaker 1: Might get it. And that's whe we know you as

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Marcus on the gym.

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 4: Hey, the rest is history because I didn't go to

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sleep that week. I thought the sleep was overrated. I

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studied and hey, are you right? The rest is history.

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Speaker 2: I'm just laughing because everybody remembers what they got their

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sad card for.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what after you talk to how long.

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Speaker 2: Have you been in the business, everybody remembers that thing

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that got them their SATs.

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Speaker 5: Right, that is right, It's a great story.

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Speaker 1: Ernest Harden Jr. For more minutes with him.

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Speaker 2: He is Emmy nominated now for his outstanding against appearance

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on the hit HBO Max medical drama The Pit, starring

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Noah Wiley. The Pit has like what twenty five or

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twenty six Emmy nominations this time around. It's a big deal.

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And Ernest Harden Junior's one up and I ain't mad

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at him. You're listening to Tavis smile and Ernest Harden Jr.

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Emmy nominated for his role on The Pit. I only

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got four minutes left here, but I know this story

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because I read about it in advance of your coming

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in you went off your maage.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you tell the story right quick.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, what happened was be being a member of

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the Actors Studio like people like Marlon Brand, knowing everybody

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we don't play Dustin Hoffman, and I knew that there

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was a ten month span between the first season and

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the second season, and so what would this brother be

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like on the street with no medical attention for ten months.

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So instead of trying to get better shape and all that,

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I just let myself go and went off my meds.

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And I had a doctor's name is Eugene Allen who

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was kind of monitoring me throughout the process, but the

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company didn't know, and so I was using all of that.

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I started feeling I was having a tough time breathing

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in the morning, a lot of stuff, and I used

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every bit of it in this care.

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Speaker 1: You take your acting really seriously.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, like I said, actor stereo, people go deep,

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and I went deep, but I know it was dangerously deep,

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and I don't think I ever do that again.

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Speaker 5: But you used all of that to use all that.

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Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, someone said that they taught

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medical students and they used clips of me to show

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what it would be like if they got they had

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similar conditions.

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Speaker 5: So I was very proud of that.

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Speaker 2: You know, how, how does I got a couple minute left?

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He How does it feel to be a journeyman actor?

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Speaker 1: I can call you that.

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Speaker 2: You've done so many things big screen, small screen, a

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journeyman actor, and at this point of your career you

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get an Emmy nomination.

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Speaker 4: You know it's the Emmy is Like I said before,

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I never thought about Emmy in the forefront of my mind.

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Speaker 5: I always thought I.

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Speaker 4: Would hold up something in Oscar for the mean eventually,

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but just to see the the respect and the just

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how people just revere having an Emmy nomination.

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Speaker 6: Everybody's calling you. I'm sure your phone's from.

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Speaker 5: Blowing up the head of Warner Brothers to the head

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of hb Old, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, the head of the pit. Everybody's called House of

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the what. Okay, But it's been phenomenal and it's spend

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such a tidal wave and a jobeyush ride and hopefully

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I can ride it out to a win.

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Speaker 5: We're just having a ball.

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Speaker 2: No, you deserve it, man, you deserve it. You have

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earned it. You're part of a great cast on a

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great show.

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Speaker 4: They're my family, especially WI. That's I just wanted to

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put it out. He's not only just a great actor,

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he's a great human being.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's I've only met him once, but he's an

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amazing actor in this series especially, And they are blessed

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to have you. You're blessed to be a part of

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this series. They're gonna get They're gonna wrack up some wins.

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I can guarantee you. They got twenty six nominations. They're

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gonna wrack up a few wins on the night of

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the show.

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Speaker 1: But one of those.

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Speaker 2: Nominees is my friend and brother who I'm glad to

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be reacquainted with, Ernest Harden Jr. I said at the

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top in the middle, and I said it again at

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the end. I am proud of him. I am happy

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for him. He has earned it, he deserves it. He

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is Emmy nominated for his Outstanding Guest Appearance on the

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HBO Max hit.

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Speaker 1: Medical drama The Pit.

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Speaker 2: And we'll be watching the Emmy's areas on September the

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fourteenth on NBC Streaming Live.

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Speaker 1: I'm on peacock.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna be watching for show for show this year

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to see how this all works out.

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Speaker 1: For Ernest, but whatever happens, you a winner.

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Speaker 5: Brother. Thank you so much and I love you. I

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love you too.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you just like that three hours ago,

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and we're back here tomorrow. Little wouldn't to do it

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all over again until tomorrow. Thanks for listening to Tavis

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Smiley and as always, keep the faith