1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Feels so much better from knowing that. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,879 Speaker 2: Well, let's see if Kirklaand feels better about this topic 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 Lord of the Ring. So, man, what a journey we've 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,560 been on here for a little bit, right where Okay, 5 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:12,640 they do the Gray Trilogy all time, and then a 6 00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:14,919 few decades go by or just a decade, and we 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 do the Hobbit right, which Kirkland has not seen, but 8 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:18,760 hopefully one day they Either way, they go out make 9 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,160 a bunch of money. You had to yacht Rings the Power. 10 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:23,960 But then Embracer Group buys the film rights for Lord 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,679 of the Rings and then lo and beholds somehow they 12 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,600 end up back at Warner Brothers. It's like, all right, 13 00:00:28,719 --> 00:00:32,320 So then they announce that they're doing this Hunt for 14 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,719 Gollum movie with Andy Serkus and Peter Jackson's directing, and 15 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:39,200 obviously Circus is starring in this and no plot details 16 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,320 other than okay, yes there's a chapter about Hunt for 17 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:42,920 goalm so we kind of get some semblance to what's 18 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,000 going on. So the past few weeks there's been a 19 00:00:45,119 --> 00:00:48,320 few things talked about this. I think we might have 20 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,000 covered this, but I'll just throw it in for the 21 00:00:50,039 --> 00:00:53,320 whole overall that Vigo had talked about. He never specifically 22 00:00:53,359 --> 00:00:56,320 said that he was asked, but he sure was talking 23 00:00:56,359 --> 00:00:58,280 about it, like, of course, Ago, there have to be 24 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,880 a reason for me to come back, I have to invest. 25 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:01,799 But he said he would do it right. And I 26 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:04,120 imagine you're saying that because they've probably had some conversations. 27 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,959 So he got that. But then you have in a 28 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,000 more concrete way, especially Ima Killen, who's's given away shit, 29 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:10,879 just doesn't care. 30 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: But he got. 31 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:15,079 Speaker 2: Legolis himself saying okay. Orlando Bloom, he was at a 32 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,079 film I can't remember his Venice or Tiff last week, 33 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,040 but he was there. They asked him about it, and 34 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:21,640 he said that he has had conversations with Andy Serkis 35 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,280 and he said, well, how can we do that? And Andy 36 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:26,719 Serkis said, well Ai, which you know made a bunch 37 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:29,159 of people grow him. But so clearly they've talked to 38 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:30,920 him about coming back and they're gonna do like a 39 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,359 deaging thing if it all works out. And now before 40 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,079 I think we did cover this like a couple months ago, 41 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,760 where Ian said like he thought he would be coming back, 42 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,879 he pretty much just said, like they're writing the script. 43 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:43,120 They talked to me and and he made some joke 44 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,959 about like they got to make sure there's enough money 45 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,239 for me to put the hat back on. But he's 46 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,000 he's in this, like Dandal's just one hundred percent in this. 47 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,760 And now today he's spilt the beans that they're planning 48 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,239 on splitting this movie into two parts. So again I 49 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,120 went to you first last, I'm gonna go to first again, 50 00:01:59,159 --> 00:02:01,680 Ker Compats or what do you feel about this where 51 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:04,280 just a merely oh, we're just do a hunt for Gollum. 52 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:06,680 You know, Circus and Fat Jackson are back, and now 53 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,639 it's we got three of the original members back. Might 54 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,120 be splitting this into two movies. How are you feeling 55 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:13,599 right now? 56 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't feel super strong for against 57 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:22,759 this news, other than just I like the idea of 58 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,240 having more projects under the Lord of the Rings. Realm, 59 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:27,599 go the hobbit. 60 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,479 Speaker 2: You got three movies simply right there, hypocrite, go watch 61 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,280 them because I don't believe you. You gotta you gotta feel 62 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,319 the pain like us before, like yeah, I want more, 63 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,960 I want more of this. 64 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: You know, I yeah, I mean, I don't know what 65 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:45,599 I'm missing and what I'm what I might h I 66 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:46,800 don't know not missing. 67 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:48,199 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 68 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: I I I'm hoping that they're making the decision on 69 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,919 a better way to tell a story on like. 70 00:02:57,599 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 4: As opposed to trying to cut. 71 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: Out a lot of fuff and and shit to just 72 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:04,639 have it all in one project, to have multiple projects. 73 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:07,719 I would like that. I'd like it to just be 74 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,319 more palatable to ingest. 75 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,719 Speaker 5: I feel like every word of that sounded like you 76 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:14,919 didn't believe it. I think no thing you were saying. 77 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:17,159 Speaker 2: And I feel like all three of us who did 78 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:19,639 do the Hobbit retrospectives are just look good. Even Tay 79 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:20,919 I like some more. But I feel like we're just 80 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,719 shaking our head because like, I don't know about these 81 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:26,199 two gentlemen, but this, this is, this is exactly what 82 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,560 happened in the Hobbit of well, we're doing one for 83 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:29,919 a while, now we're doing two, and now we're doing three. 84 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,599 I'm not saying we're gonna get to three. But I 85 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:34,199 don't even think the Hunt for Gallum. I mean, that's 86 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,120 a two film, and you know these things are gonna 87 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:39,759 be fucking long. You're telling me that's five and a 88 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,159 half to six hours worth of content. No, And I 89 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,120 hate this idea is this hobbit all over again, getting 90 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:48,599 Orlando Bloom back, getting Vegle back, and again. 91 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,199 Speaker 3: It's just you're a big battle. 92 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: In the heart of it, you're gonna get your god 93 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:57,879 the Battle of five Armies times ten, because I don't 94 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:01,439 know to do that math. But either way, like the 95 00:04:01,479 --> 00:04:05,120 Battle of fifty Golm Armies, Bob, you're gonna get fucking 96 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:11,639 Elijah his doers or whatever. You're gonna get like Elijah 97 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,759 Wood back. And they're just doing the same thing. 98 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,439 Speaker 4: Now Elijah Wood's gonna do it. 99 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: I think he will. He already said like he's very 100 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,279 interested in what they're gonna do. I think they they're 101 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,600 in a big fat check. He's there, and that's what 102 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,120 sucks with. 103 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 4: Gona do in this story. 104 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: Bilbo tell me about this Gallum character, right, so he 105 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,360 was because that's what they did in the hall that remember, 106 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:36,120 bill Bo tell me about those trolls. Oh yes, young lad, 107 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:38,480 like and you Holmes dead. But that doesn't matter. Look 108 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,639 at fucking Alien Ronins. They'll bring his ass back to 109 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,319 like I just were. I I can't remember someone fact 110 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:47,560 checking this for me. I know the first halt made 111 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,600 a billion, but I think the other ones made all 112 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,920 over seven hundred million after that, These films make a 113 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,120 lot of money, and I think Warner Brothers, who's still 114 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,040 tons of dead, just look at what's the only way 115 00:04:58,079 --> 00:04:59,920 to make a bunch of money. Because I guarantee you 116 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,920 I've seen the tracking for We're Here, and I guarantee 117 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,839 that thing's gonna eat shit. So like to me, when 118 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,920 they got this huge ipee, they want to do the 119 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:11,319 Star Wars thinger bring everybody back. But the thing is, 120 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,040 you can't do that. You know why. There's no more 121 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:19,680 stories and it is it's fucking butter stretched over too 122 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,160 much bread. There's not enough to do here with these characters. 123 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,079 You're doing it rings of power, not the same coming. 124 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,879 That's what that's the things you can do with how 125 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,720 you feel that show right to bring the whole band 126 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:34,079 back together. Maybe it's gonna palp money and that's all 127 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:35,920 they care about. That's great, But for me, it's just 128 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:39,560 like that idea of how he oh Ai and it's like, man, 129 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,879 now I gonna see We're gonna watch a whole fucking 130 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:44,600 Hunt for gall movie, and we're gonna see Legless looking 131 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,399 creepy the whole time, and it's gonna make Rominus where 132 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:50,160 it's like, oh and half the shots he looks good here, 133 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:53,680 how he doesn't like kirkl I'm telling you watch the 134 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,720 Hobbits and then come back and tell and it's the 135 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:58,240 same crew every when when they are like, oh, Peter. 136 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,519 Speaker 4: Got in nine hours of the movies. 137 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: Ye yeah, and they're like and to. 138 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,399 Speaker 2: Reassure us, like, oh, well, Peter Jackson and his wife 139 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:07,279 are writing and producing. It's like they did that the 140 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,920 last time with the Hobbit. And Circus is worse because 141 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,279 at least Jackson gives Lord of the Rings Circus. The 142 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,560 last thing he did was Venom the last dance. Like 143 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,240 this is like a parody. This is like it feels 144 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,240 like someone's making a parody of what happened to the Hobbit, 145 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:24,279 like in a movie. But they're not. They're just doing 146 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,279 it again. And my excitement went from I was still 147 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,759 intrigued to worry to now I'm just fucking man. I'm 148 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,800 preparing myself for the absolute worst. And maybe that's a 149 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,680 good thing to go in because my expectations are so low, 150 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,519 but this just feels all It feels like a money grap. 151 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,600 I think I agree with claiming discord. It just feels 152 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,160 gross now and they're still alive, that's fine, but I 153 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,279 just feel like they're just Okay, every product is made 154 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:52,360 for money. I do understand that. Of course there's a 155 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,160 business top of all the time, but there's still like 156 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:56,199 a level of care and sometimes it just feels this 157 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,360 feels so in your face of we're just trying to 158 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,439 make a billion bucks real quick, how do we do that? 159 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:03,800 We'll get the original actors because we I think we 160 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,759 talked about like, oh, look at all the exciting things 161 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:07,720 they could do with Lord of the Rings, And to me, 162 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,480 it's just like, let's just do the Hobbit again. Pretty 163 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:13,439 much is the least exciting. So that's my ted talk. 164 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,399 But I'm just like, I'm so upset about like the 165 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:20,360 way this has gone down, and yeah, it's disappointing for me. 166 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:22,879 But maybe again, maybe that's something great happens. 167 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: So maybe it's unlike, oh, I'm they all. 168 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: Made over nine hundred million, fifty million. That's why you 169 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:30,040 do it, right, That's why you do it. 170 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 5: So people were super hyped for that, and it's now 171 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:36,360 been long enough that people are gonna go do it again. 172 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:39,240 So yeah, I mean, this is definitely cash grab city. 173 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,360 And you know what, it's probably gonna work, wonders. It's 174 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,680 probably gonna be a billion dollar movie. And you know, 175 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,839 is there enough story there for two movies? Probably not, 176 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:51,120 but they're still gonna do it. And they're probably gonna 177 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,920 make over nine hundred and fifty million on each movie. 178 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:55,920 And you know what, all four of us, we're gonna 179 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:58,800 be there for both of them. Even if we didn't 180 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,360 do this podcast, we would still all be there for 181 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:03,720 it because they know what they're doing. So it's gonna work. 182 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:07,279 It's I just have so little faith that's gonna be good. 183 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:10,800 I don't really trust Peter Jackson with this. I think 184 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:15,199 throwing ai uh de aging on all these characters is 185 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,120 gonna look awful and make the movie look really bad. 186 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,480 And you know, Peter Jackson's just gonna go absolutely ham 187 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:24,839 on the CGI too in general, So I, uh yeah, 188 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:27,519 I'm not not excited for this. I think it's just 189 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,639 definitely cheap cash grab. While not cheap, sounds like gonna 190 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:32,360 be really expensive to pay for all these people. So 191 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:34,240 it probably gonna be a very expensive movie, but not 192 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:36,799 in the ways that you want a movie to be expensive. Uh, 193 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,440 And it's gonna make a shit ton of money, so 194 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,120 they'll do another one and then fuck it, They'll probably 195 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,360 split it into a trilogy because why not, Yeah, because 196 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,240 people love the word trilogy. So yeah, I'm not not 197 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,759 excited for this, but honestly makes less sense. 198 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love v until about like Peter Jackson's CG 199 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,120 and everything I've said before, I feel like this feels 200 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:57,639 like it what if George Lucas got to direct or 201 00:08:57,639 --> 00:08:59,679 be a part of episode seven to nine, you know, 202 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,480 and not like it's just weird to hear when you say, oh, 203 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,279 I don't have much faith in Peter Jackson. I'm with 204 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,600 you there, unfortunately, but it's just like a weird thing 205 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:09,639 to like say out of my mouth, you know, of like, 206 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,519 and then I said, I think we've had this conversation 207 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,240 before that maybe the Lord of the Wings trilogy was 208 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:18,120 literally just lightning striking. Like it's not three times because 209 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,480 they all filmed it once, but it's just like the 210 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,200 most perfect things all lined up somehow where maybe you 211 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:26,120 just can't recapture that. And people might even argue the 212 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,279 Star Wars trilogy right like, even if you don't love it, Dylan, 213 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:30,919 it's like it had such an impact and prequels lots 214 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:32,919 of people hate those. In the sequel, lots of people 215 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:34,600 hate those. So it's just that thing where's just like 216 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:37,240 you can't get that back in the bottle again, you know, 217 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:39,399 as much as like financial and I guess again they 218 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:41,639 don't care as long as it pays off money wise. 219 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 5: So I mean, it's just one of those things where 220 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,720 it's like, Okay, he's for the original trilogy. He could 221 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:49,919 adapt these books, and of course that was the same 222 00:09:49,919 --> 00:09:51,960 thing that was happening with the Hobbit, but they also 223 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,120 stretched it and added a bunch of random shit in there, 224 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:57,120 and it was like the probably the perfect time in 225 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,399 terms of the limitations of technology and having access to CGI, 226 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,919 but it was also still a time in Hollywood when 227 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,000 they you know, went for practical stuff to some extent, 228 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:08,879 and so I just feel like that was a lot 229 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:11,559 of things, and I guess I just don't see him 230 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,000 coming back because he's really passionate to tell some story 231 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 and once again, like even the stories that he was telling, 232 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,639 and I know it's different writers and stuff, but and 233 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,879 it's the same writers as the original ones, but it's 234 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,879 very different when you're adapting a book trilogy into a 235 00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:30,480 trilogy of movies than when you're adapting, you're not adapting anything. 236 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,080 You're just making a new story all these years later 237 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,879 and trying to hamstring all these characters into it because 238 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:38,080 of like the actors and how iconic they are. So 239 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,039 it's just not a great grounds for a really well 240 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,639 written story. It's just strayed so far from the source 241 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,320 material at that point that you know, it's still a 242 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,120 world that we love, of course, but and it's gonna 243 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:51,519 look and sound and feel like that world. But well, 244 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,440 it's probably not gonna feel like it. Ye's it'll look 245 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,399 and sound like it at the very least, I guess, 246 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:56,240 is all we can say. 247 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,919 Speaker 2: Well, remember though, it is based off like a chapter. 248 00:10:59,080 --> 00:10:59,879 So you got a chapter. 249 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 4: Okay, cool, so chapters and then we split into two movies. 250 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,399 Speaker 2: All movies five hours. 251 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:06,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, that worked great for the Hobbit. 252 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: Taylors someone that I you know, we did those retros. 253 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,960 You were a bit more fond and kind on the Hobbits. 254 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,759 You are are you like Kirkling? You're giving me a 255 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:16,679 bit more fond, like he'sn't done. El here, we need 256 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,480 to sit in clockw're orange style, tape them to a chair, 257 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:21,159 eye lids to make them watch the Hobbit. Then he'll 258 00:11:21,159 --> 00:11:23,679 be like, yeah, right, but how are you Taylor taking 259 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,960 this news? Are you just happy the whole cruise back together? 260 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,120 Or I feel like you've been through this with Star Wars, right, 261 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:31,039 we've seen what happens. We saw it went down. Mm 262 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,039 hmm uh. 263 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: Well they all got tattoos, so that's a good thing. 264 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: Not gimb not gimbla. 265 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: No, but he's not in this. He hasn't been asked, 266 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,960 apparent not yet. 267 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't gonna put the mask on this time? 268 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:44,840 Well just a I'm a mass don't worry. We know 269 00:11:44,879 --> 00:11:45,799 you hear it. Yeah. 270 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 6: Uh, I think that one movie I I I stand 271 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,159 partially with my thoughts all those years ago because you 272 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,879 found that cast Travis a long time ago, and I think, Okay, 273 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:01,200 this story does this early does not intrigue me out 274 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,559 of all the stories revolving around Middle Earth that they're 275 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,120 focusing on. But the ability to see these characters, I've 276 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:10,960 actually to see these characters returning cast crew members. 277 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: I am liking that. 278 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:19,519 Speaker 2: Uh it's you know, they just released a couple months 279 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:21,519 ago right top of the cast. They re released all 280 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,440 the movies in the theaters. You could you could see 281 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:25,720 them all again there in. 282 00:12:27,159 --> 00:12:31,399 Speaker 6: Absolutely right, and those stories never get old, they never 283 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,399 ever ever do. But I am partially interested in seeing 284 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,559 these characters just doing other different things in this world. 285 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:42,759 I do get scared because the idea of this story 286 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,519 is being stretched out over two films, and maybe inevitably 287 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:49,720 a trilogy is pushing the margin a little bit too much. 288 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:52,080 I don't like. That makes me feel uncomfortable. 289 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:53,519 Speaker 2: I don't. 290 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't want it to be stuck 291 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,480 filler filler stuff. 292 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 6: And I feel like when you look at the Hobbit movies, 293 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,600 they parallel the events in the original trilogy. Was just 294 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,120 how certain things at least with how certain battles and 295 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,200 conflicts and where the characters end, and those films, it 296 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,559 feels very similar to that original trilogy, and I don't 297 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,919 want that to be here, like I don't want them 298 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:16,039 like again, I was gonna recruit Eric Gorn in that 299 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:17,840 last and form a little bit of a fellowship of 300 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,039 his own. 301 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:23,879 Speaker 2: Remember that's exactly what they did Strider characters. 302 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 6: Feel like they're going to him do that in this 303 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:30,519 and that does worry me. But as long as it's original, 304 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,600 it has its own kind of just vibe to it. 305 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,320 I would love it if it's just heavily focused on 306 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,960 Gollum and then we get those other characters appearing, not 307 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:42,360 as mains, but just as appearing throughout the throughout the journey, 308 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,159 and just so we're focused focused on Gallum and we 309 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,919 just have them appearing up as he's like treading along 310 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:51,559 doing his thing. I think that's great. And then throw 311 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:55,399 in like characters of more more dor going trying to 312 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,240 hunt him too. Because we've only been hearing all the 313 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,320 light families or families. 314 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 3: I want to see them in this movie. 315 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,039 Speaker 6: I absolutely want orcs that are not CGI. That was 316 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,759 the one biggest con of have with the Hobbit. I 317 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,440 don't want heavy CGI volume stuff like just give me 318 00:14:12,039 --> 00:14:14,799 oh naturelle and just the orcs and Rings of Power 319 00:14:14,879 --> 00:14:17,440 look fucking great, like the orcs in that last episode. 320 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: My god, they. 321 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,039 Speaker 6: Lots Amazon money that isn't maybe they need to borrow 322 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,279 some of that, but hopefully that's not how they work. 323 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious about that because it's. 324 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: Gonna borrow millions. 325 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: Hey, they're already in debt, right, I'll add a bit 326 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:34,879 more millions to it. So I am curious because I 327 00:14:34,919 --> 00:14:37,480 guess I do always make these comparisons to Star Wars 328 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:39,639 and Star Wars are that right? We're prequels. Everyone's like, all, 329 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,120 this looks bad too much CGI, and they right away went, Okay, 330 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:46,519 we're gonna go practical, right. You know, we're using sets again, 331 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,679 we're using animatronics and makeup. I wonder if they're gonna 332 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,840 do that or WB just gonna yeah, we don't have 333 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,799 the money for that, Like you're using the volume make. 334 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,519 I hope so, but that's what I'll be curious to see. 335 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,080 And also just like I feel like, hopefully that would 336 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,799 be like, Okay, you guys took those criticisms to heart 337 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,399 of like Peter Jackson, one of them saw, I'm like, hey, 338 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,879 we don't want to do that again. Versus if they just, like, 339 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:11,120 I don't know, stick their nose and no, you're getting 340 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,159 the CGI orcs again. It's likeugh, because those orcs fucking 341 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,159 sucked in the Hobbit. 342 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:15,399 Speaker 6: Man. 343 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: They're just so generic. They just look video game orcs 344 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:19,799 look better than them. 345 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:23,879 Speaker 6: So yeah, my last note here is you said that 346 00:15:23,919 --> 00:15:27,080 they could just SEEGI old Bilbo back in there, so 347 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,000 I have an inkling that they could bring Martin Freeman back. 348 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they could do that, or they could do like 349 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,919 a weird combo. Right, where did they I guess that's 350 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,720 Tarkan who Disney's not getting sued for Tarkan? Now funny 351 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:41,120 enough because really okay, yeah, I guess there's something that 352 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:43,679 they found that maybe he didn't give permission for it. 353 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:47,279 Speaker 4: So did he know to give permission for it? 354 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, it's like a whole like 355 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,120 I think it's something where like the thing he agreed upon, Like, 356 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:54,399 I don't know, I haven't read the full thing. I 357 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,159 just know they're being sued for Tarkan because there might 358 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,120 be some loophole or something where it's like that didn't 359 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:00,480 line up. I'm sure they wouldn't do that. 360 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: His friend is legally challenging Disney. 361 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: Interesting, and who knows, maybe his friend has some sort 362 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,759 of like actual legal thing, right Like if he doesn't 363 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:08,440 have a wife or kid. 364 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 6: Friends going down, Man, he's gonna be that friend is 365 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:13,759 trying to cash it. Oh yeah, like if you die, 366 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,039 I'll go, I'll go to bat for you. 367 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,399 Speaker 3: If they use your cgi likeness. 368 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,279 Speaker 2: No keep them Yeah, no one's using it. I'm dying 369 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,039 on I films, you know, that that's where I'll be 370 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:30,320 it goes, so, yeah, we'll see or they'll just use 371 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,480 his voice. We'll get like but you could yeah, you 372 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,200 could get Martin Freeman and he could do like a 373 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:36,480 they could do like a mix of him and old 374 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,000 Bilbo together and everything. But I think, yeah, I don't 375 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,799 know about Bilbo's the tuation, but I think you're getting 376 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:45,519 Wood and I wonder if you gets Sam too, and 377 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:47,000 they just do some sort of package. 378 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 6: I'd love to see some of the other wizards, uh, 379 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:55,600 because well rat of Gas, I've gassed it out, but 380 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,559 don't we have like the Twins and the Blue Wizards 381 00:16:58,679 --> 00:17:02,320 or what else? Don't someone name off. 382 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,799 Speaker 1: These other Wizardssambadi is not a wizard, he could be. 383 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,759 Speaker 2: He could legitimly they'll be in this one. Kirkland. I 384 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:12,519 think if they're looking for stuff to stretch and because. 385 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings films. 386 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:20,559 Speaker 2: Because for for them like stretching stuff like the Hunter go, well, 387 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:22,039 it's something mentioned in the book, but we don't show 388 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,640 in the movie. That's like another thing, right, like, well 389 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,839 we didn't do Tom Bombadill, so like let's do it 390 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,839 there and maybe Golm can fucking it'll began, I'll bumping 391 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,200 into him again the big I'd remember Rings of Power, 392 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:34,000 or it'll be Legless or something. 393 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: I might just actually just just give up. Then at 394 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,960 that point it's. 395 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 2: Your hate with Tom Bambatill. Come on, they're doing good enough. 396 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,440 Rings of Power you love. 397 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,319 Speaker 1: There's there's many, many, many interesting characters that they can 398 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,640 they can pull from that doesn't have blue wizards. Tomb Yeah, 399 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,960 give me some blue wizards. 400 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,279 Speaker 2: Well, some of us do find it's him interesting. So 401 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:57,599 here's a great character throw in there. You know if they're. 402 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,079 Speaker 1: Coming stuff if not other people. 403 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 3: So, yeah, you. 404 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: Didn't watch the Hobbits already? Is that it? 405 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 6: Everything? 406 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: On that? 407 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: Alright, let's take a last at break and we'll be 408 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,359 right back with some trailers