Speaker 1: Feels so much better from knowing that.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see if Kirklaand feels better about this topic
Lord of the Ring. So, man, what a journey we've
been on here for a little bit, right where Okay,
they do the Gray Trilogy all time, and then a
few decades go by or just a decade, and we
do the Hobbit right, which Kirkland has not seen, but
hopefully one day they Either way, they go out make
a bunch of money. You had to yacht Rings the Power.
But then Embracer Group buys the film rights for Lord
of the Rings and then lo and beholds somehow they
end up back at Warner Brothers. It's like, all right,
So then they announce that they're doing this Hunt for
Gollum movie with Andy Serkus and Peter Jackson's directing, and
obviously Circus is starring in this and no plot details
other than okay, yes there's a chapter about Hunt for
goalm so we kind of get some semblance to what's
going on. So the past few weeks there's been a
few things talked about this. I think we might have
covered this, but I'll just throw it in for the
whole overall that Vigo had talked about. He never specifically
said that he was asked, but he sure was talking
about it, like, of course, Ago, there have to be
a reason for me to come back, I have to invest.
But he said he would do it right. And I
imagine you're saying that because they've probably had some conversations.
So he got that. But then you have in a
more concrete way, especially Ima Killen, who's's given away shit,
just doesn't care.
Speaker 3: But he got.
Speaker 2: Legolis himself saying okay. Orlando Bloom, he was at a
film I can't remember his Venice or Tiff last week,
but he was there. They asked him about it, and
he said that he has had conversations with Andy Serkis
and he said, well, how can we do that? And Andy
Serkis said, well Ai, which you know made a bunch
of people grow him. But so clearly they've talked to
him about coming back and they're gonna do like a
deaging thing if it all works out. And now before
I think we did cover this like a couple months ago,
where Ian said like he thought he would be coming back,
he pretty much just said, like they're writing the script.
They talked to me and and he made some joke
about like they got to make sure there's enough money
for me to put the hat back on. But he's
he's in this, like Dandal's just one hundred percent in this.
And now today he's spilt the beans that they're planning
on splitting this movie into two parts. So again I
went to you first last, I'm gonna go to first again,
Ker Compats or what do you feel about this where
just a merely oh, we're just do a hunt for Gollum.
You know, Circus and Fat Jackson are back, and now
it's we got three of the original members back. Might
be splitting this into two movies. How are you feeling
right now?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't feel super strong for against
this news, other than just I like the idea of
having more projects under the Lord of the Rings. Realm,
go the hobbit.
Speaker 2: You got three movies simply right there, hypocrite, go watch
them because I don't believe you. You gotta you gotta feel
the pain like us before, like yeah, I want more,
I want more of this.
Speaker 1: You know, I yeah, I mean, I don't know what
I'm missing and what I'm what I might h I
don't know not missing.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I I'm hoping that they're making the decision on
a better way to tell a story on like.
Speaker 4: As opposed to trying to cut.
Speaker 1: Out a lot of fuff and and shit to just
have it all in one project, to have multiple projects.
I would like that. I'd like it to just be
more palatable to ingest.
Speaker 5: I feel like every word of that sounded like you
didn't believe it. I think no thing you were saying.
Speaker 2: And I feel like all three of us who did
do the Hobbit retrospectives are just look good. Even Tay
I like some more. But I feel like we're just
shaking our head because like, I don't know about these
two gentlemen, but this, this is, this is exactly what
happened in the Hobbit of well, we're doing one for
a while, now we're doing two, and now we're doing three.
I'm not saying we're gonna get to three. But I
don't even think the Hunt for Gallum. I mean, that's
a two film, and you know these things are gonna
be fucking long. You're telling me that's five and a
half to six hours worth of content. No, And I
hate this idea is this hobbit all over again, getting
Orlando Bloom back, getting Vegle back, and again.
Speaker 3: It's just you're a big battle.
Speaker 2: In the heart of it, you're gonna get your god
the Battle of five Armies times ten, because I don't
know to do that math. But either way, like the
Battle of fifty Golm Armies, Bob, you're gonna get fucking
Elijah his doers or whatever. You're gonna get like Elijah
Wood back. And they're just doing the same thing.
Speaker 4: Now Elijah Wood's gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I think he will. He already said like he's very
interested in what they're gonna do. I think they they're
in a big fat check. He's there, and that's what
sucks with.
Speaker 4: Gona do in this story.
Speaker 2: Bilbo tell me about this Gallum character, right, so he
was because that's what they did in the hall that remember,
bill Bo tell me about those trolls. Oh yes, young lad,
like and you Holmes dead. But that doesn't matter. Look
at fucking Alien Ronins. They'll bring his ass back to
like I just were. I I can't remember someone fact
checking this for me. I know the first halt made
a billion, but I think the other ones made all
over seven hundred million after that, These films make a
lot of money, and I think Warner Brothers, who's still
tons of dead, just look at what's the only way
to make a bunch of money. Because I guarantee you
I've seen the tracking for We're Here, and I guarantee
that thing's gonna eat shit. So like to me, when
they got this huge ipee, they want to do the
Star Wars thinger bring everybody back. But the thing is,
you can't do that. You know why. There's no more
stories and it is it's fucking butter stretched over too
much bread. There's not enough to do here with these characters.
You're doing it rings of power, not the same coming.
That's what that's the things you can do with how
you feel that show right to bring the whole band
back together. Maybe it's gonna palp money and that's all
they care about. That's great, But for me, it's just
like that idea of how he oh Ai and it's like, man,
now I gonna see We're gonna watch a whole fucking
Hunt for gall movie, and we're gonna see Legless looking
creepy the whole time, and it's gonna make Rominus where
it's like, oh and half the shots he looks good here,
how he doesn't like kirkl I'm telling you watch the
Hobbits and then come back and tell and it's the
same crew every when when they are like, oh, Peter.
Speaker 4: Got in nine hours of the movies.
Speaker 3: Ye yeah, and they're like and to.
Speaker 2: Reassure us, like, oh, well, Peter Jackson and his wife
are writing and producing. It's like they did that the
last time with the Hobbit. And Circus is worse because
at least Jackson gives Lord of the Rings Circus. The
last thing he did was Venom the last dance. Like
this is like a parody. This is like it feels
like someone's making a parody of what happened to the Hobbit,
like in a movie. But they're not. They're just doing
it again. And my excitement went from I was still
intrigued to worry to now I'm just fucking man. I'm
preparing myself for the absolute worst. And maybe that's a
good thing to go in because my expectations are so low,
but this just feels all It feels like a money grap.
I think I agree with claiming discord. It just feels
gross now and they're still alive, that's fine, but I
just feel like they're just Okay, every product is made
for money. I do understand that. Of course there's a
business top of all the time, but there's still like
a level of care and sometimes it just feels this
feels so in your face of we're just trying to
make a billion bucks real quick, how do we do that?
We'll get the original actors because we I think we
talked about like, oh, look at all the exciting things
they could do with Lord of the Rings, And to me,
it's just like, let's just do the Hobbit again. Pretty
much is the least exciting. So that's my ted talk.
But I'm just like, I'm so upset about like the
way this has gone down, and yeah, it's disappointing for me.
But maybe again, maybe that's something great happens.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's unlike, oh, I'm they all.
Speaker 2: Made over nine hundred million, fifty million. That's why you
do it, right, That's why you do it.
Speaker 5: So people were super hyped for that, and it's now
been long enough that people are gonna go do it again.
So yeah, I mean, this is definitely cash grab city.
And you know what, it's probably gonna work, wonders. It's
probably gonna be a billion dollar movie. And you know,
is there enough story there for two movies? Probably not,
but they're still gonna do it. And they're probably gonna
make over nine hundred and fifty million on each movie.
And you know what, all four of us, we're gonna
be there for both of them. Even if we didn't
do this podcast, we would still all be there for
it because they know what they're doing. So it's gonna work.
It's I just have so little faith that's gonna be good.
I don't really trust Peter Jackson with this. I think
throwing ai uh de aging on all these characters is
gonna look awful and make the movie look really bad.
And you know, Peter Jackson's just gonna go absolutely ham
on the CGI too in general, So I, uh yeah,
I'm not not excited for this. I think it's just
definitely cheap cash grab. While not cheap, sounds like gonna
be really expensive to pay for all these people. So
it probably gonna be a very expensive movie, but not
in the ways that you want a movie to be expensive. Uh,
And it's gonna make a shit ton of money, so
they'll do another one and then fuck it, They'll probably
split it into a trilogy because why not, Yeah, because
people love the word trilogy. So yeah, I'm not not
excited for this, but honestly makes less sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love v until about like Peter Jackson's CG
and everything I've said before, I feel like this feels
like it what if George Lucas got to direct or
be a part of episode seven to nine, you know,
and not like it's just weird to hear when you say, oh,
I don't have much faith in Peter Jackson. I'm with
you there, unfortunately, but it's just like a weird thing
to like say out of my mouth, you know, of like,
and then I said, I think we've had this conversation
before that maybe the Lord of the Wings trilogy was
literally just lightning striking. Like it's not three times because
they all filmed it once, but it's just like the
most perfect things all lined up somehow where maybe you
just can't recapture that. And people might even argue the
Star Wars trilogy right like, even if you don't love it, Dylan,
it's like it had such an impact and prequels lots
of people hate those. In the sequel, lots of people
hate those. So it's just that thing where's just like
you can't get that back in the bottle again, you know,
as much as like financial and I guess again they
don't care as long as it pays off money wise.
Speaker 5: So I mean, it's just one of those things where
it's like, Okay, he's for the original trilogy. He could
adapt these books, and of course that was the same
thing that was happening with the Hobbit, but they also
stretched it and added a bunch of random shit in there,
and it was like the probably the perfect time in
terms of the limitations of technology and having access to CGI,
but it was also still a time in Hollywood when
they you know, went for practical stuff to some extent,
and so I just feel like that was a lot
of things, and I guess I just don't see him
coming back because he's really passionate to tell some story
and once again, like even the stories that he was telling,
and I know it's different writers and stuff, but and
it's the same writers as the original ones, but it's
very different when you're adapting a book trilogy into a
trilogy of movies than when you're adapting, you're not adapting anything.
You're just making a new story all these years later
and trying to hamstring all these characters into it because
of like the actors and how iconic they are. So
it's just not a great grounds for a really well
written story. It's just strayed so far from the source
material at that point that you know, it's still a
world that we love, of course, but and it's gonna
look and sound and feel like that world. But well,
it's probably not gonna feel like it. Ye's it'll look
and sound like it at the very least, I guess,
is all we can say.
Speaker 2: Well, remember though, it is based off like a chapter.
So you got a chapter.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, so chapters and then we split into two movies.
Speaker 2: All movies five hours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that worked great for the Hobbit.
Speaker 2: Taylors someone that I you know, we did those retros.
You were a bit more fond and kind on the Hobbits.
You are are you like Kirkling? You're giving me a
bit more fond, like he'sn't done. El here, we need
to sit in clockw're orange style, tape them to a chair,
eye lids to make them watch the Hobbit. Then he'll
be like, yeah, right, but how are you Taylor taking
this news? Are you just happy the whole cruise back together?
Or I feel like you've been through this with Star Wars, right,
we've seen what happens. We saw it went down. Mm
hmm uh.
Speaker 3: Well they all got tattoos, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Not gimb not gimbla.
Speaker 3: No, but he's not in this. He hasn't been asked,
apparent not yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't gonna put the mask on this time?
Well just a I'm a mass don't worry. We know
you hear it. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Uh, I think that one movie I I I stand
partially with my thoughts all those years ago because you
found that cast Travis a long time ago, and I think, Okay,
this story does this early does not intrigue me out
of all the stories revolving around Middle Earth that they're
focusing on. But the ability to see these characters, I've
actually to see these characters returning cast crew members.
Speaker 3: I am liking that.
Speaker 2: Uh it's you know, they just released a couple months
ago right top of the cast. They re released all
the movies in the theaters. You could you could see
them all again there in.
Speaker 6: Absolutely right, and those stories never get old, they never
ever ever do. But I am partially interested in seeing
these characters just doing other different things in this world.
I do get scared because the idea of this story
is being stretched out over two films, and maybe inevitably
a trilogy is pushing the margin a little bit too much.
I don't like. That makes me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't want it to be stuck
filler filler stuff.
Speaker 6: And I feel like when you look at the Hobbit movies,
they parallel the events in the original trilogy. Was just
how certain things at least with how certain battles and
conflicts and where the characters end, and those films, it
feels very similar to that original trilogy, and I don't
want that to be here, like I don't want them
like again, I was gonna recruit Eric Gorn in that
last and form a little bit of a fellowship of
his own.
Speaker 2: Remember that's exactly what they did Strider characters.
Speaker 6: Feel like they're going to him do that in this
and that does worry me. But as long as it's original,
it has its own kind of just vibe to it.
I would love it if it's just heavily focused on
Gollum and then we get those other characters appearing, not
as mains, but just as appearing throughout the throughout the journey,
and just so we're focused focused on Gallum and we
just have them appearing up as he's like treading along
doing his thing. I think that's great. And then throw
in like characters of more more dor going trying to
hunt him too. Because we've only been hearing all the
light families or families.
Speaker 3: I want to see them in this movie.
Speaker 6: I absolutely want orcs that are not CGI. That was
the one biggest con of have with the Hobbit. I
don't want heavy CGI volume stuff like just give me
oh naturelle and just the orcs and Rings of Power
look fucking great, like the orcs in that last episode.
Speaker 3: My god, they.
Speaker 6: Lots Amazon money that isn't maybe they need to borrow
some of that, but hopefully that's not how they work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious about that because it's.
Speaker 4: Gonna borrow millions.
Speaker 2: Hey, they're already in debt, right, I'll add a bit
more millions to it. So I am curious because I
guess I do always make these comparisons to Star Wars
and Star Wars are that right? We're prequels. Everyone's like, all,
this looks bad too much CGI, and they right away went, Okay,
we're gonna go practical, right. You know, we're using sets again,
we're using animatronics and makeup. I wonder if they're gonna
do that or WB just gonna yeah, we don't have
the money for that, Like you're using the volume make.
I hope so, but that's what I'll be curious to see.
And also just like I feel like, hopefully that would
be like, Okay, you guys took those criticisms to heart
of like Peter Jackson, one of them saw, I'm like, hey,
we don't want to do that again. Versus if they just, like,
I don't know, stick their nose and no, you're getting
the CGI orcs again. It's likeugh, because those orcs fucking
sucked in the Hobbit.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: They're just so generic. They just look video game orcs
look better than them.
Speaker 6: So yeah, my last note here is you said that
they could just SEEGI old Bilbo back in there, so
I have an inkling that they could bring Martin Freeman back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could do that, or they could do like
a weird combo. Right, where did they I guess that's
Tarkan who Disney's not getting sued for Tarkan? Now funny
enough because really okay, yeah, I guess there's something that
they found that maybe he didn't give permission for it.
Speaker 4: So did he know to give permission for it?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, it's like a whole like
I think it's something where like the thing he agreed upon, Like,
I don't know, I haven't read the full thing. I
just know they're being sued for Tarkan because there might
be some loophole or something where it's like that didn't
line up. I'm sure they wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: His friend is legally challenging Disney.
Speaker 2: Interesting, and who knows, maybe his friend has some sort
of like actual legal thing, right Like if he doesn't
have a wife or kid.
Speaker 6: Friends going down, Man, he's gonna be that friend is
trying to cash it. Oh yeah, like if you die,
I'll go, I'll go to bat for you.
Speaker 3: If they use your cgi likeness.
Speaker 2: No keep them Yeah, no one's using it. I'm dying
on I films, you know, that that's where I'll be
it goes, so, yeah, we'll see or they'll just use
his voice. We'll get like but you could yeah, you
could get Martin Freeman and he could do like a
they could do like a mix of him and old
Bilbo together and everything. But I think, yeah, I don't
know about Bilbo's the tuation, but I think you're getting
Wood and I wonder if you gets Sam too, and
they just do some sort of package.
Speaker 6: I'd love to see some of the other wizards, uh,
because well rat of Gas, I've gassed it out, but
don't we have like the Twins and the Blue Wizards
or what else? Don't someone name off.
Speaker 1: These other Wizardssambadi is not a wizard, he could be.
Speaker 2: He could legitimly they'll be in this one. Kirkland. I
think if they're looking for stuff to stretch and because.
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings films.
Speaker 2: Because for for them like stretching stuff like the Hunter go, well,
it's something mentioned in the book, but we don't show
in the movie. That's like another thing, right, like, well
we didn't do Tom Bombadill, so like let's do it
there and maybe Golm can fucking it'll began, I'll bumping
into him again the big I'd remember Rings of Power,
or it'll be Legless or something.
Speaker 1: I might just actually just just give up. Then at
that point it's.
Speaker 2: Your hate with Tom Bambatill. Come on, they're doing good enough.
Rings of Power you love.
Speaker 1: There's there's many, many, many interesting characters that they can
they can pull from that doesn't have blue wizards. Tomb Yeah,
give me some blue wizards.
Speaker 2: Well, some of us do find it's him interesting. So
here's a great character throw in there. You know if they're.
Speaker 1: Coming stuff if not other people.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Didn't watch the Hobbits already? Is that it?
Speaker 6: Everything?
Speaker 3: On that?
Speaker 2: Alright, let's take a last at break and we'll be
right back with some trailers