Speaker 1: There we go, all right, and we're back ladies and gentlemen.
So yeah, we got a couple of rumored topics to mention.
I'll say what letter grade Scooper they are as we
go through them. But the first one, especially because we
were just talking about, you know, Hell's kitchen, Daredevil, mister
bearded Punisher was appeared there, and will he appear elsewhere?
Perhaps perhaps not, because apparently, ladies and gentlemen, we have
what was a rumored script for Spider Man four, which
apparently has since been rewritten, because unless I'm mistaken, Kevin
Faggy didn't really love the initial script, but a see
Tier Scooper here said that apparently before the rewrites, the
idea would have been a more violent Hulk would be
appearing in this movie, and we would have a team
up of Spider Man and the Punisher, and of course
the Punisher would be John Burnhal's Punisher, So pretty polar
opposite type of characters, uh for a pairing. We've seen
that happen before, as I've already stated, I'm going through
Daredevil right now, and I feel like that was kind
of like always Daredevil and Punishers dynamic where Okay, they're
doing their own vigil ani things. One goes the extra
mile and just kills people, and one, you know, it
doesn't doesn't kill people.
Speaker 2: So a little bit of difference there.
Speaker 1: But I feel like even Spider Man to Daredevil, like
that's another jump in and of itself, just because Daredevil
is so much more brutal, even though I've seen Spider
Man dish out some serious damage. Maybe it's just.
Speaker 3: Because he's a even though it should absolutely Spider Man
twenty eighteen, I was fucking people off the buildings. They
absolutely died.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they got webbed to the side of the buildings.
Speaker 3: Sometimes through in the middle of nowhere. They're dead.
Speaker 1: Okay, But maybe it's because he's he's quipping as he's
kicking ass that it makes it a little bit more
uh uh.
Speaker 3: All time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, But so yeah, just I guess to
ask you first, Dylan, like, what do you think of
which has now been apparently supposedly a rewritten idea, But
would you have wanted that a pairing of Spider Man
with Punisher taken on? You know, we've experienced violent Hulk
in the past. Right as of right now, he's kind
of in the smart Hulk realm where he's using his
brains more than his bronze. But are you feeling for that,
for that violent Hulk. I know we're getting Harrison Ford's
violent Hulk in the next Captain America movie, But yeah,
are you are you thirsting for some some angry Hulk?
Speaker 3: I maybe maybe I am. I think in the context
of this, this one doesn't smell right to me when
it comes to the rumor, when it comes to the
rumor mill, it does not pass the smell test. And
I think that if part of me is like, Okay,
maybe this is a storyline from the comics like these,
this specific team up of Spidey and Punished. I mean,
we've seen that before, but like against the Hulk, I
don't know where what Punisher's role.
Speaker 1: Is in that.
Speaker 3: Is he stopping the Hulk in some way? This guy
with like a grenade launcher and like a couple of guns,
like it just seems a little unbelievable. And I think
in a comic book you can get away with that.
I think in an animated show you can get away
with that. I think in a video game maybe you
could even get away with that. But I think in
the movie live action sense. It would just feel a
little off in terms of the power levels there. It
might be hard for it to be believable, and I
guess there's some way you could pull it off. But
like in theory, you'd want them to be interacting with
each other. If you're setting up a movie, if you're
marketing the movie to be Spider Man and Punisher versus
the Hulk, you want to see combat between those guys,
and like, the Hulk just throws one little boulder on
the ground at Frank and he's done for So, I
don't know, I think that would be something that would
seem a bit off to me. I think the idea
of there being this like Teeter Totter of Spider Man
wanting to take down the Hulk or like bring back Bruce,
you know, take him down once again non lethal like
webbing him to a wall, whereas Punished would be like, no,
we just got to kill this guy and take him out.
That kind of idea could be fun in the back
and forth of them trying to balance that out. We've
seen things like that before and I think it could
be interesting, but it also might be a weird pressing
to set up in like one movie's timeline to like
introduce Punish shir well not, I guess we've been introduced them,
but like it's the first time in the MCU on
the big screen. The first time Punisher would be on
the big screen, so you gotta take some time to reintroduce.
You gotta meet, get the characters to meet each other,
and then like, how does Hulk following this is Hulk
just raging around smash into stuff? If you think that's
the case, Like, it's hard to also justify, like where
are the rest of the Avengers? Why is no one
else helping with this? It just feels like it wouldn't
really fit in the MCU. This feels like a what
if scenario, and it honestly is a little bit similar
to the what if we recently got over the holidays
with the Hulk, and obviously that went full crazy Kaiju
badness there, but the idea was like Hulk losing control
again and doing some some mild stuff and whatnot. So
I just don't know. And I think they've made Hulk
so much of like a like a lovable like almost
like doufist, which sounds kind of weird for the smart
guy Hulk thing, But I just feel like that's kind of
the way we've gone with the Mark Rufflo Hulk recently,
and I feel like we have right Hulpe to be
the raging ones, Like, would we do that again with
a Hulk like a year or whatever it is later
or maybe that movie comes later this year. It just
all sounds a little fuzzy to me. So I don't
I don't believe, and I don't love the concept either.
For live action I think give me an uh spider Man, Uh,
what the hell Freshman? What is the hell is that
show called again?
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, they changed the name of it. I actually
can't remember.
Speaker 3: Is it just Friendly Neighborhood Spidery.
Speaker 4: Friend Neighbor spider Man yet?
Speaker 3: And I don't know. I don't even know what's going
on that show. Give me, give me that, give me
that concept in an episode of that show might be down,
But I don't know if I want that for my
live action Spidery.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think I'm right there with you on
the smell test factor of this rumor. I think just
the the idea of getting Hulk back to his more
just savage beast seal, you know, ways, versus the brain
the act version that we have right now. I don't
think it's a concept that like is impossible to get to,
but I just.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to like have a super lazy
way to just get him like angry at me and
again just to like reset it.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like we've.
Speaker 1: Gone a long growth period of like of having that
character like in the get go being the angry version
and then being able to handle it and then kind
of going back to that, like we were just kind
of already done that already. So and because he's always
been pretty much a focal point of those Avengers squads,
it just seems like if if he breaks again here
and like there is no Avengers or anything to be
a part of that, it just seems like it's a.
Speaker 4: Little bit.
Speaker 2: Lesser.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just seems like it should be a big team
up thing versus well, I guess you could argue that
that would be the Spider Man and Punisher pairing, but
even there, it just seems it just seems messy.
Speaker 2: In my mind.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I could be fooled and they can make a
really interesting entail of incorporating all those characters, but as
of right now, I just I have a hard time
kind of seeing that. And Dalton mentioned in the in
the chad here that Punisher first appeared in a Spider
Man comics, so I guess you could say like it's
it's going back to that original pairing, which that's I
could definitely see why this would be like a rumor
that people are a are mentioning just because I don't know,
trying to cross two dots together, especially that we're seeing
John Burnhal's Punisher now and the Daredevil born again and
just just knowing that he's going to be, you know,
at least somewhat a part of the MCU now people
will just be fantasizing and pairing him up with with
all these things. So but in terms of the believability,
I don't know. I don't feel super strong about that,
and I don't necessarily want that one. So if that is,
you know what the original script would have been, I'm
okay if they rewrote it, because it just seems like
maybe it could be more mess than.
Speaker 4: The knock out.
Speaker 3: So I feel like there's a big clh of tones
there too. In terms of Spider Man, you know, he's
a Quippie character, he's a more lightheaded hearted character. Now
with the ending of the last Spider Man movie, we
could be going into a phase where he's a lot
more darker and brooding, and maybe he just doesn't have
a lot of connection right although from other roomors we've
heard like maybe he's just friends with MJ and stuff again,
and like it all kind of worked out. But then,
like Punisher, the one that we've had established so far,
once got he could change a bit because like even
Daredevil tonally very different in she Hulk than he is
for the most part in you know, the television series,
and there is like moments of levity in those shows,
of course, But and then like, I don't know what
this Hulk doesn't sound like a very fun, lighthearted Hulk.
That also sounds like a pretty dark, serious thing. So
I don't know. I wonder if those would clash at
all with the current Spider Man we have, or if
they would venture down that road, down that road of
maybe can it more of a serious thing. I don't
know if they want to.
Speaker 4: Do that though, Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really do you have anything else to
say on that, do you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I guess the other detail of this was that,
like Scorpion Shocker, maybe we're part of this oh right
project as well. Maybe maybe that would be an early
I feel Shocker seems like an early like first goon
type guy you take out, Scorpion seems like a bigger,
slightly bigger deal, Like maybe that's where Spider Man and
Punisher would come together, and that's so they would split
their differences, like going together against those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was this was something where I mean, I
forgot to bring it up, so I'm I'm glad you remember,
But I just kind of discounted it as false because
we've already kind of seen aspects to those characters from
Spider Man Homecoming, right, Like we have we have Scorpion
in there. He's just like a guy with a scorpion
tattoo and nothing.
Speaker 2: Really more.
Speaker 1: Remember that, and then I I don't know if we
have I can't remember if it's like the same Chocker
from the comics, but like a guy does get those shockers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, its I.
Speaker 3: Think it is technically Shocker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I would be because I definitely not
a fan of those versions. Both of those characters are
really iconic for me just being a fan of like
the original like Spider Man cartoon back in the day,
and just the versions of those characters that show up
in the video games very iconic to me, even though
I don't really see them as like the S Tier
big bad villains, but they're just a really really great
like B villain. I feel so, And because I have
just nostalgia for them, I hate the way that they
were done, so I would be okay with the reset
of those characters, but just them being somehow featured in
this in this mix, it just it just adds to
the unbelievable factor for.
Speaker 4: Me on this one.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I want to give another ghost maybe
you know, like Secret Wars or something.
Speaker 2: We're dealing with a multiverse movie.
Speaker 1: You can see like a multiverse version of those characters,
and that could be pretty exciting.
Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna hold my brother.
Speaker 3: I don't have time for that. Yeah, exactly cool.
Speaker 1: And then I guess the other thing I was going
to tie into this just talking about the Hulk rumored,
This is a C Tier rumor. George Miller, big famous
renowned director of course of the Mad Max. He did
Fury Road as well as Happy Feet, but everybody forgets
about Happy Feet, so I forget about how that one. Yeah,
I try to remember that one as much as they can.
But yeah, furios A, Mad Max Ferio Road, and then
of course the original Mad Max and Happy Feet. But
so big, like cinematic type type of a director. So yeah,
the rumor is that he could be doing a World
War Hulk movie or a four or five. And yeah,
does that tickle your fancy?
Speaker 2: Dylan? I know you're not really well versed in all
the Mad maxes.
Speaker 3: I know you've seen his his two most recent ones, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good enough. Actually that's a good track. Have you
seen Happy Feet, Big Happy Fee.
Speaker 3: I'm not say nappy Feet. I was just defending it
two minutes ago.
Speaker 4: That's okay.
Speaker 3: I've not seen it myself.
Speaker 1: I don't think it holds up, but it had an
awesome game on the GameCube, so shouts out to that game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Do not own it.
Speaker 1: It was a blockbuster rental, but I would love to
try that one again.
Speaker 3: Yeah uh, well, I mean yeah, the the thor one
jumps out at me, of course, because hempstarth was in Furiosa,
and that seems like a pairing made in heaven. The
World War Hulk one seems a little more random to me,
So there's an interesting there is some validity to this,
and this one is definitely even though these are this
is a ceatire as the last rumor was, this one
feels a lot more believable to me, only because I
feel like it's actually a bit of a similar situation
to Taika or Taika made some movies, but like he
needed some money and that's why he did Marvel stuff.
He's come out and said that now that he seems
like he's done with the MCU, he said that as
much as that's why he took on those thor projects,
like in large part perhaps or maybe like he's been
burned because the fans have kind of turned on those
movies in a big way, and so maybe in hindsight
he was like looking at it that way. But either way,
it seems like a thing. And George Miller, like Furiosa,
did not do well at the box office, and I
don't I don't know what his financial situation is, like
maybe he needs maybe he needs some Marvel Disney money
and so he just needs to crush out a Marvel
movie or two. Get a nice easy quote unquote paycheck
and then he can move on to like a more
passion project thing for himself. That's a lot of speculation.
I have no idea what this guy's financial situation is
like or what Hollywood looks at him as in terms
of his ability to make another blockbuster, and maybe mad
Max is just too niche or something. But yeah, I
feel like if they're they're done with Tayka as Thor
as the director of Thor, and they want to keep
the vibes somewhat similar, Like I think that Taka maybe
more straight up comedy, but he also has you know,
a variety of stuff in his repertoire that he's done before.
I think George Miller actually could be a good fit
for that, and like it would be less silly, I think,
and less like slapstick that those recent Thoro movies were.
But I still think there is a bridge between I mean,
obviously those early Thorer movies and how dark and serious
they were, and then Tycher was like a whoa one eighty,
and I feel like this would actually be just a
much smoother, like there'd be a little bump in the road,
but actually it wouldn't take too them before we kind
of even out again in terms of the pairing there
World War Hull. That's hard to say, just because like
I don't know what the heck the vibe or tone
of that would be, or like what else would be
entailing with that. But I think from that same perspective
of like, he's a great director. He makes big, blockbustery things.
He can make things big and cinematic, as you mentioned,
So I think like he seems like a good pick
for doing a Marvel thing. I think maybe my preference
would be, like maybe he goes and does more unique things,
because he is a pretty unique director. But at the
same time, I haven't seen his movies other than the
two fear like Mad Max movies, So like, maybe I'm
saying that and maybe the best way for me to
go see his next movie would for him to direct
a Marvel movie. So I think the parents are pretty
good here. I'd prefer thor I suppose of the two,
And I would not be mad if this this got
confirmed and moved ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like his body of work. We did a
Mad Max retro go check that out on the feeds.
That was lots of fun to go through all those
wild early movies. But so yeah, I've definitely had some
experience with this director, and I think it would be
a really awesome addition to just the plethora of MCU
directors that we've had in the past. I I feel
like either of them I would be okay for. I
feel like each of them can be very grandiose and
the scale of of just the action and everything, especially
like a World War Hulk. I feel like maybe that's
the one I'm leaning for a little bit more. But
maybe it's just because it's it's harder for me to
see past maybe the era of Thor that we're in,
but you gotta, I guess I have to remember that
the Thor that we have right now, I think we're
definitely past the halfway point of Hemsworth's just appearances with
that character in the MCU, So maybe we're just entering
like the third act of that character, and maybe just
a different tone is going to be really fitting, because
as you mentioned, like we we started with a darker
tone in those earlier movies and Complete one eighty with Taika,
which which was just, like I guess, just the peak
of like the bright humor around that character. But I
think maybe now that we're we're getting closer to the
end of of closing that not just the chapter, but
but the book on Thor himself. I'm I'm not saying
he's gonna be dying next next appearance, but I just
I feel like we're getting to the end of the
road there. So uh yeah, maybe we're we're ready for
a little bit more of a different tone. Whether that's
more dramatic or sad, who knows, who knows.
Speaker 3: What it was, but I think that it would be
a fun one eighty for the previous project for Hemsworth
and George Miller where he directed him as a villain
and then he directs him as a hero and Thor next.
It would be kind of a fun, fun little flip flop, right.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure they had some like great chemistry together.
We're working. I can't confirm nor deny that, but I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Chosehen for a reason.
Speaker 3: To bring on you back for some role.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there five.
Speaker 3: Let her do whatever she can be, like a new
Hella or something exactly.
Speaker 1: She'll need it after doing The Gorge because no one
that movie, but.
Speaker 3: I'll see it non theaters though, yeah theaters.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was of course like a C tier rumor,
but I'm down for it.
Speaker 3: So it's the believability BS meter on that one.
Speaker 2: What do yes meter?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like for either of them, just yeah.
Speaker 3: Georgia Miller coming to direct a Marvel thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like sixty three percent.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's like a C.
Speaker 1: I think that's a mid s so unknown knowingly, yeah exactly,
I'll go, I'll go thirty two, thirty two, okay, a
little bit that it's a little bit below. Yeah, that's
that's a little bit less than but I respect that, okay.
And then the last thing I want to mention in
the Disney Realm here is in terms of Strange Academy,
the next show coming to Marvel Television, which apparently I
think this one was a B plus tire if I remember,
Oh just okay, be be tier, be tire. I apologize.
Uh yeah, of course this would be the kind of
I imagine Wong centered show where he's kind of just I
was gonna say raising, that's the wrong word, just uh teaching,
I guess the new era of Supreme Wizards and and
all that. So you know, we love Wong here on
the Geek firse, I'm totally down for what this show
could be. I like being in that mystic realm and
uh yeah, I in terms of believability factor, like it
is a B tier. But I don't I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Say, you don't think strange, you don't think strangers here,
you think it's just wrong.
Speaker 1: I feel like what this show could be is a
bridge to whether it's the next Strange movie or the
next uh like a shunk Chi title. I feel like
maybe there'll be some crossover in those realms, not necessarily,
like I think we get another.
Speaker 3: Strange movie before we get this at the least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once again, that movie is huge office That is true.
That is true, a big, big money movie.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I feel like part of me. Yeah, it's just
it's it's saying maybe the main doctor Strange himself won't
be won't be a big part of this show. That's
my that's my it's my feeler right now. But are
you in the opposite ring.
Speaker 3: I think I would just be way less excited if
he was not. Yeah, like starring in it, doing it
for you? I love long and I wanted to be
in there too. I think they're a great one two
punch they have. They have great chemistry together as as buddies. Yeah,
I'd love to see them just in their own movies,
and then also like teaming up together in MCU stuff
like the in the Avengers, you know, the bigger things,
the team ups. I really like seeing both of them there.
And I've liked Wong and his in his moments outside
of that too, like the the she Hulk stuff, like
he's always fun, He's always a thumbs.
Speaker 2: Up for me.
Speaker 3: But I I I think I need a little more
sauce to be engaged in a show. And I feel
like that would be a very risk, like after some
of the issues that Disney's had recently in terms of money,
in terms of like successive shows, I feel like that
would be a very, very very big risk to do
a show with like just Wong as the Yeah like
about him, and you know, maybe bring some other like
high level characters in. But I don't really know who
fits in that realm other than like Chavez and I
don't know Ned made a magic circle once we bring
Ned in from Spider Man. But but yeah, like I so,
I don't, I feel like you need stranger and that
would be a lot more interesting to me, and I
think it'd be fun to see that that duo kind
of setting up a full on academy and teaching some
people get some pupils. But I'm even though this is
a higher tier scoop than the other ones, like maybe
it's in the works, Okay, I guess that's a much
less committal thing to say than like these these scripts
and like George Miller getting confirmed, Like just the fact
that you know a script maybe's in the works or
some ideas like that's okay, it's pretty easy to believe
that they're thinking or considering it. But I don't know.
I guess, I guess for me, just with where they
m to use that and all these rumors we've heard
in terms of where they're going with these future things
and going back to the legacy characters, the characters that
make money and people are nostalgic for I just don't
know if I see this happening of like another show
that's maybe it seems like the purpose is to bring
up some new blood, like some new characters and get
them in the mix. Like maybe it's really focused and
it's really just about like chaves and like boosting her
up as a character, and you know, she was in
a huge movie that made a lot of money. So
maybe there's an you there and you sneak in like
a magic or I don't know who else, some other
some other up and comers. Maybe young Robbie Ray is
like ghost Rider kind of thing. But I don't know.
I I I think, is it, Is it possible? This
is in the works, sure, but I don't I don't
see it happening in the next few years, I guess.
Speaker 4: Is my my.
Speaker 3: Cynical take on the thing. Although I love if if
Doctor Strange himself wasn't it and Wong, I I mean,
it would be one of my most hyped anticipated things
for the MCU because I love those characters. But I
think you got to tweak it just right. And I
don't know, sound a little sketchy right.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I I of course would be down to have Benedict
in here. It's just I feel like he's just so pricey.
And if you're gonna have Wong and which Benedict were
talking here, Benedict cumberbotch is that is?
Speaker 3: Don't forget that Wong Benedict Benedict Benedict Square hot to
specify your Benedict's in this.
Speaker 1: I apologize, I yes forgot his Benedict as well, but
I don't know. It just seems if we're getting a
bunch of different faces in here, like it's going to
be an academy. So I imagine it would be a
pretty decent roster of characters in that show.
Speaker 3: It's just hard for a lot of people died in
multiverse that would be potential candidates.
Speaker 2: That is true. That it's a fair point.
Speaker 1: And yeah, in terms of believability, I definitely think this
is in the works. But I want to say this
definitely has the ingredients to be in a show that
just maybe never sees the light of day, even though
it is getting pushed along.
Speaker 4: But like I guess we're living.
Speaker 1: In a world where like Armor Wars is still coming out,
and I thought that show was just dead on arrival.
Speaker 3: Yeah, show movie, yeah, nebulous something.
Speaker 2: And things like Blade.
Speaker 1: You know, I truly believe that I'll never see the
light of day marhrshwa Le's Blade, got.
Speaker 3: Arcane Leon's Blade, That's all I need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, they can never take that away from us.
Speaker 3: Well, Microsoft did close the other up, and so I
never I would say that let me, let me have hope,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2: It sounds cool.
Speaker 1: Obviously, we'll wait and see, but my initial feelers, sorry,
sounds cool.
Speaker 4: I do hope it it.
Speaker 3: Does happen, but sorry, quick side tangent. I was on
Reddit today and I think it was like on a
hit Man Hitman read it. Someone was like, man, why
do they make stealth games anymore? And there's a bunch
of people in there, and one guy was like, oh man,
I really want Arcane to make Dishonored three. And then
some guy replied and he's like, Arcane's dead man, it
ain't happened. And I felt like such a hero today
when I was like, Arcane, the Arcane that made Dishonored
is still around you. There's still a chance, buddy.
Speaker 4: Did you mention that to him?
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 3: I did. I. I don't normally post, but I was like,
I can't let this misinformation exist on the internet. I
need people to know that the people who made Dishonored
too are making Blade right.
Speaker 1: Now, good to go, Well, thank you for stepping in
for that, man. Cool Anything else on these Disney rumors?
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