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<v Speaker 1>The story of Hollis Daniels is one of tragedy and

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<v Speaker 1>a series of misfortunate events. By all accounts, a crime

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly taking place, but law enforcement could only do

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<v Speaker 1>so much to keep up with the circumstances at hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually it resulted in the death of a police

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<v Speaker 1>officer while they were simply trying to be kind while

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<v Speaker 1>doing their job.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to Wicked Ingrim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience

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<v Speaker 1>listener Discretion is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Friday's whoa, this feels funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the second episode of the week for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time ever here on Wickeding Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going well, kind of because sometimes we have

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<v Speaker 2>Halloween Week.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, yeah, but the full episode, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, first week we'redale.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it two times a week, so it's the

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<v Speaker 1>first time actually putting it out two times in a

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<v Speaker 1>week for that attended schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels kind of funny. It does feel funny, It

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<v Speaker 2>does feel weird. Yeah, Like, it kind of feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it's the start of the week, but it's actually the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>It also feels weird in the aspect that I usually

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<v Speaker 1>am like researching the episode right up until we record,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had this episode like research days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I almost like feel like I'm rusty on the

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge of this case. But I've got it all written

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<v Speaker 1>down in a script. I think I'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You deserve a round of applause.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, you dig well done. You did clap for me,

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<v Speaker 1>So I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what, that's what. I got a haircut today, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I made chocolate chip cookies.

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<v Speaker 2>You did. I came home from a photoshoot and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've already eaten four. You've eaten four.

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<v Speaker 1>You've had four cookies?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was sort of my dinner. I didn't have dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>You had cookies for all right, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I chocolate chip cookies and milk for dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm drinking orange juice and coconut water all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, So this is all about health.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly, I'm pretty much a child, really, or like living

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<v Speaker 2>the child's best life right now.

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<v Speaker 1>We are disasters, clearly because I didn't have dinner either.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know. I think I had three cookies.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had the same fucking thing for dinner, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're bitching me out for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like making the cookies, so I like

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<v Speaker 1>had one and then next batch I had another, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I just didn't eat dinner, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think that's any different at least.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't intend to eat cookies for dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Neither did I. I came home.

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<v Speaker 1>And ate four cookies because there was.

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<v Speaker 2>Cookies and I needed dinner, and we have to record this,

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<v Speaker 2>and here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you intended to eat four cookies for dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know there was going to be cookies

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<v Speaker 2>when I got home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you saw them like I'm eating four cookies

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't actually think that anyway. Geez.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is not a cookie podcast. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go into this case right away because we rambled, but

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<v Speaker 1>I will before we go into the case tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that when we do thank patrons, we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to thank them on our Tuesday episode. Makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you sign up for Patreon lists in the

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<v Speaker 1>link is in the description below. By the way, we

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<v Speaker 1>will be thanking at the beginning of the week on

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesdays for whoever does sign it perfect. Yeah, Okay, have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever heard the name Hollis Daniels before? Now, no, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you all about who Hollis is. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Hollis was a student at Texas Tech University. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a young man with a very promising future. He grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Seguin, Texas, which is a small city just

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<v Speaker 1>east of San Antonio. He came from a prominent local family,

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<v Speaker 1>with his father serving as a city councilman and a

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<v Speaker 1>former mayor actually of Seguin as well. His parents were

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<v Speaker 1>the owners of all the local movie theaters in the

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<v Speaker 1>area too, So there was like there were very well

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<v Speaker 1>known and very well respected in the community. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they had some status, they had some money, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was raised in this very well off environment and family. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it is unclear if the traffic stop that occurred shortly

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<v Speaker 1>here after that we'll talk about was routine or targeted,

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<v Speaker 1>but either way, he was pulled over. Hollis Daniels was

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<v Speaker 1>pulled over this one evening. Now, once they ran his

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<v Speaker 1>license plate. After pulling him over this evening, they knew

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<v Speaker 1>exactly who he was. Of course, being prominent in the community,

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<v Speaker 1>his parents being known and everything, and the police were

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<v Speaker 1>very happy to talk with Hollis on this one particular

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<v Speaker 1>evening because Hollis had recently been reported well, a report

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<v Speaker 1>had been put in regarding Hollis. So one of Hollis's

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<v Speaker 1>friends had called the police to report a disturbance that

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<v Speaker 1>occurred at their home near the Texas Tech campus, one

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<v Speaker 1>that involved Hollis. According to the reports, the friend named Leo,

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<v Speaker 1>reported that Hollis was under the influence of drugs and

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<v Speaker 1>had became involved in a heated argument. During this altercation,

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<v Speaker 1>Hollis at some point stole a forty five caliber pistol

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<v Speaker 1>from his friend when it was unnoticed at the fire

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<v Speaker 1>or when it was noticed that the firearm was missing.

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<v Speaker 1>He told Hollis to return the firearm, but Hollis denied

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<v Speaker 1>ever taking it and left. Now, this friend, Leo, made

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<v Speaker 1>the report to authorities, and now here we are with

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<v Speaker 1>Hollis pulled over on the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, could someone else have potentially taken it? We assumes

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<v Speaker 2>it was Hollis.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, there was no one else really there

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<v Speaker 1>like it was there. There was a heated argument, then

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<v Speaker 1>Hollis left and the guns now, so it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of clear that, hey, something's going on here, but Hollis

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<v Speaker 1>strictly denies, Hey, I didn't take it right. And Hollis

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<v Speaker 1>immediately began facing the questions about what happened at Leo's

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<v Speaker 1>place with the officers. He told police there was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of an altercation, he got knocked down, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was very adamant there was nothing that occurred that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been deemed assault. He's like, yeah, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got knocked to the ground and he's like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no assault involved. You can actually watch bodycam footage of

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<v Speaker 1>all this occurring. And he continued to tell them about

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<v Speaker 1>how he had lost his phone at his friend Leo's place,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was searching for it, but he had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea about any sort of stolen gun or lost gun

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<v Speaker 1>nor anything. Now the police they pressed and they asked

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<v Speaker 1>him if he had any weapons or drugs on him,

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<v Speaker 1>to which he simply said no. Now, after Hollis Is

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<v Speaker 1>asked to step out of the vehicle for the questioning,

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<v Speaker 1>another officer shows up and this at the scene and

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation continues with them trying to figure out exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on. Leo says a gun was stolen.

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<v Speaker 1>Hollis says he has no idea about anything. So with

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<v Speaker 1>two sides saying different things, officers need to clear the air.

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<v Speaker 1>They asked Hollis, since you have no drugs or weapons

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<v Speaker 1>on you, do you mind if we search your car

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<v Speaker 1>to corroborate what you're saying, to which Hollis refused.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, So that kind of looks a little a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit guilty, I guess, But also sometimes some people

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<v Speaker 2>might just say fuck no, like it'll weren't kind of thing, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Was this also fair in a sense?

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<v Speaker 1>It is, And that's Hallis wasn't really giving anything one

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<v Speaker 1>way or another, whether I mean he was suspicious or not.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just like, I do not consent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there's not necessary Like I mean, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>comes across guilty, but also it's sort of your right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, you're right. So and unfortunately for the officers

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<v Speaker 1>this meant that they couldn't do anything. The allegations they

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<v Speaker 1>were chasing were exactly that, just allegations. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a search warrant to go into his vehicle or any

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<v Speaker 1>lawful reason to actually go against his consent and search

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<v Speaker 1>it anyways, So they had no choice. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>anything on Hollis. They just pulled him over. It was

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<v Speaker 1>talking to him and like all right, you can go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's like, who do you believe kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing exactly now. Hindsight is twenty twenty, however, and if

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<v Speaker 1>the officers only knew what they knew now, that traffic

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<v Speaker 1>stop would have gone much different. See Hollis, although coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a very well respected family and a very nurturing home,

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<v Speaker 1>had a significant behavioral and substance abuse issue starting in

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<v Speaker 1>his high school years. Over time, his drug use intensified,

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<v Speaker 1>leading him to struggle with his addiction. His substance abuse

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<v Speaker 1>issues were compounded by significant mental health struggles as well,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly depression. This created a vicious cycle of self medication

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<v Speaker 1>and impaired judgment. His family was acutely aware of his

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<v Speaker 1>struggles with both mental health and substance abuse, and the

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<v Speaker 1>problems that began in high school seemed to only worsen

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<v Speaker 1>during the time he was now attending university. And though

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<v Speaker 1>drug abuse and mental health issues do not mean someone

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<v Speaker 1>is a bad person or capable of horrible things, in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, it would certainly push Hallis over the edge.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, I was kind of rooting for Hallis, not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>lie understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, only a few hours after being pulled over at

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<v Speaker 1>that traffic stop, at about two am on October ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, Hallis's roommate reported hearing a gunshot in the dorms.

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<v Speaker 1>The shot came from Hollis's room. Now, I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to clarify. The dorm room seemed to be like not

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<v Speaker 1>just like a single room with a couple beds inside

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<v Speaker 1>that we think of in like movies. Seems like there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a small living area and like a couple rooms

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<v Speaker 1>that go off in each dorm. So his room is

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<v Speaker 1>within a dorm room that contains a few rooms, like.

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<v Speaker 2>A pod kind I've seen that, yeah, exactly, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Pod sort of thing. So the shot came from Hollis's room,

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<v Speaker 1>and his friend texted him to ask what happened, but

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<v Speaker 1>Hallis just replied he had dropped something, okay, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a blatant bly. I mean, that wasn't you dropped something

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<v Speaker 1>that was a gunshot? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>My god.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was immediately reported to police, who would soon

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<v Speaker 1>arrive at the scene. Now, the police that arrived were

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<v Speaker 1>the Texas Tech University Police, so there are police specifically

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<v Speaker 1>employed by the university, and they made their way to

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<v Speaker 1>his room and conducted a welfare check on Hollis. Before

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<v Speaker 1>police were unable to search his vehicle as they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a search warrant. Now, however, things were different this time.

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<v Speaker 1>They were able to conduct a welfare check due to

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<v Speaker 1>the gunshot, which is a matter of public safety, so

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<v Speaker 1>a warrant was well not warranted.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, So they knocked on his door at room one

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four and there was no answer, so they forced

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<v Speaker 1>by the university staff. Now, I do want to clarify

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<v Speaker 1>They knocked in the dorm room one thirty four. No

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<v Speaker 1>I was sleeping sort of thing. So they talked to

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<v Speaker 1>the friend and then got Halliss's room and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems so interesting. A gunshot just went off in

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<v Speaker 1>Well it was there was some time that had gone by.

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<v Speaker 2>Mens, I guess, but still jeez.

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<v Speaker 1>No. Anyways, when they went to Halliss's room, he wasn't there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they found some stuff inside that were rather concerning. Immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>a shelf in the room. It was quickly, however, discovered

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<v Speaker 1>to be an air powered baby gun, though, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't anything illegal. It wasn't a firearm. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, oh, that looks suspicious. Okay, wait, never mind,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a bebgun. We're all good. Probably shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>it on a campus. But still nothing illegal going on,

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<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't something it could have made the sound,

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<v Speaker 1>and they continued to search. This wasn't the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>that they found in his room. Different types of illicit

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<v Speaker 1>drugs were uncovered all throughout his room. The more they searched,

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<v Speaker 1>the more drugs they found. Drawers were full of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was far more than just that would be

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<v Speaker 1>considered personal or recreational use. While in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>looking confused. The police asked their name and they immediately

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<v Speaker 1>replied with Andreas. Now immediately a reply came to that

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<v Speaker 1>name and it was the roommate and he said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not he was calling bullshit. It was Hollis, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, okay, and something that you just said. The drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>like there was more than he would need for himself personally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't really clarify how much was in his room, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was a lot in his room, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more to just say, like, this is not recreational.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, not necessarily that he's like selling them or anything, just.

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<v Speaker 1>It potentially could be by the sound of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>like he's just like offloading like tens of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars of drugs. It's just much more than one person needs, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>of multiple types. Huh, it's hard. It's really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's so interesting too that he just threw through

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<v Speaker 2>his fucking roommate under the bus, like that was saying

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<v Speaker 2>that he's a different name.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, honestly, you have police searching your dorms,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a potential gun that's stolen or lost, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a potential gun shot going off. There's drugs riddled

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<v Speaker 1>throughout this roommate's room. All of this could potentially affect

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<v Speaker 1>your school, your grades, and how you're going to graduate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I probably fucking do the same thing. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like that bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, I mean, like hall is saying someone else,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's what I meant. Well, of course, like he

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, it was like he didn't just like, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your name, Andreas, It was like, what's your name? He's like, uh, Andreas. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because they again body cam footage, you can watch them, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyways, they're like, clearly, this is not Andreas. Police

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<v Speaker 1>immediately detained him and they figured out, yes, it was Hollis.

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<v Speaker 1>So they did a full pat down on him, feeling

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<v Speaker 1>around his person for the alleged firearm and whatever else

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<v Speaker 1>he may have. They didn't find a gun, but they

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<v Speaker 1>did find that he was faring carrying a large amount

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<v Speaker 1>of pills that were not prescribed to him. Now, they

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<v Speaker 1>read the miranda rights to him as they began questioning him.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't say much to the drugs that are so

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't say much to the drugs that were found, other

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<v Speaker 1>than trying to downplay it all and said that they

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<v Speaker 1>were just recreational purposes, you know, just like shit, I

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple a lot of drugs. He's just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to like make it not sound as bad as it is, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And he denied hearing any sort of gunshot as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and even tried to use the traffic stop from a

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<v Speaker 1>few hours ago as an alibi to say he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been there in the room when the gun went

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<v Speaker 1>off because he was pulled over by another officer earlier. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's even like, I bet you if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at like the traffic ticket or like the files or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see the time and it will will not match

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<v Speaker 1>when the gunshot went off. So he's trying to like say.

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<v Speaker 2>This, I thought that he just dropped something. He's now

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<v Speaker 2>using a different story.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what do you mean he dropped something?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, his friend texted what was that? And he dropped something?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah yeah, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa that went way over your head?

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<v Speaker 1>Eh yeah I did. I was like, what do you mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what gotcha? No? Yeah no, he was just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>say like, yeah, no, it wasn't me. So now, whether

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<v Speaker 1>he was involved in the shot that was fired had

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<v Speaker 1>yet to be determined, but for now he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be under arrest for the possession of large amount

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<v Speaker 1>of illegal substances. He was handcuffed, walked outside, and on

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<v Speaker 1>his way outside, he asked if he quickly, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bend down tie a shoe, but he was denied the

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<v Speaker 1>request before being placed in the back of the squad

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<v Speaker 1>car and driven away. Now, once Officer Floyd East and

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Tyler Snelson, who had been conducting the investigation so

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<v Speaker 1>far at Texas Tech University from the Texas Tech University

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department for this whole process, they took him for

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<v Speaker 1>further processing. Now, when they brought him inside, everything up

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<v Speaker 1>to this point had been going, you know, fine. Hollis

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<v Speaker 1>sure gave a fake name, but he'd been very cooperative.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't been showing signs of violence. He wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>reluctant to answer any questions when they were talking to him.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, you know, being honest. At times. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't like when they're searching his room.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you know, I don't consent to the search.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, you can't really say that, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a welfare check sort of things. He's all right, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of you know. So he's being very reasonable, a very

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable individual for the situation. And at approximately seven fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Officer East took Hollis's handcuffs off as he entered the

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<v Speaker 1>booking room to make him a little bit more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, sitting in the handcuffs for hours, it is

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<v Speaker 1>probably not the most relaxing thing to do, and so

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<v Speaker 1>with his behavior up to this point, is why East

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<v Speaker 1>took his handcuffs off. Now they all sat down and

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<v Speaker 1>began to process the paperwork. Officer Snelson soon left the

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<v Speaker 1>room and allowed Officer East to continue on his own.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything had been routine up until now, nothing was out

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<v Speaker 1>of the ordinary. It was standard for booking. However, at

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<v Speaker 1>approximately seven point forty five, about half an hour later,

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<v Speaker 1>while Officer East was completing the paperwork for Hollis Daniels

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<v Speaker 1>and his booking a shot rung off through the station.

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<v Speaker 1>The gunshot caused immediate chaos and confusion within the police department.

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<v Speaker 1>Bodycam footage shows Officer Snelson, gun drawn, heading to the

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<v Speaker 1>booking room. Though it doesn't show what he finds inside,

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<v Speaker 1>we do know he sees his partner Officer East slumped

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<v Speaker 1>over in his chair with his body cam torn away.

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<v Speaker 1>He was shot dead, and Hollis was nowhere to be found.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, I thought that they padded him down though

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<v Speaker 2>they were checked him.

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<v Speaker 1>They did.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck. So there was where the hell was the gun?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that. There was a single forty five

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<v Speaker 1>caliber cartridge laying on the ground in the room, and

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<v Speaker 1>strangely enough, the shell did not match the police issued

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<v Speaker 1>pistol that was still on Officer East's hip in the holster.

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<v Speaker 1>So Officer E still had his pistol and there was

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<v Speaker 1>another shell. Yeah, okay, So they quickly cleared the building

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<v Speaker 1>in search of the now active shooter on a school campus.

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<v Speaker 1>No shit, but he was gone. He made his getaway

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<v Speaker 1>and was no longer in the building. The campus community

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<v Speaker 1>was alerted to the situation and students and staff were

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<v Speaker 1>advised to shell they're in place as an immediate lockdown

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<v Speaker 1>was issued on Texas Tech University campus and a manhunt

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<v Speaker 1>for Hollis began.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he kill this police officer?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>Or have you not announced that yet, Officer East? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, like he's dead. Officer East was shot dead.

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<v Speaker 2>He just fucking killed him, just like that. Okay, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this Hollist guy. What a fucker. I was like thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, feeling bad for him a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>You were kind of rooting for him. I feel that

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<v Speaker 1>I get you there.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think it was sort of his whole mental

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<v Speaker 2>health issues that he was having, and like, I know

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<v Speaker 2>how much that sucks and can be like so draining

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<v Speaker 2>and just brutal. But yeah, uh, he sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he does. And to be honest, like I was

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<v Speaker 1>rooting for him too, because that sort of shit is

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<v Speaker 1>not easy, no, and so like I was rooting for

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<v Speaker 1>him too, but until he goes too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, he just literally took someone's life. Holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>did Okay. I wasn't really expecting that.

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<v Speaker 1>So multiple law enforcement agencies, including Camp police, local police,

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<v Speaker 1>and other emergency responders, coordinated their efforts together to try

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<v Speaker 1>and find Hollis. Officers spread out across the campus and

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding areas, utilizing all available resources that they could to

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<v Speaker 1>find him. Authorities released a description of him and warned

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<v Speaker 1>the public that he was armed and dangerous. The alert

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<v Speaker 1>described him as wearing a white T shirt and dark pants,

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<v Speaker 1>and the public was instructed to contact police immediately if

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<v Speaker 1>they happened to see him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, now this is like pretty scary because you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, he is capable.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly now. Thankfully, though, it didn't take long before

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<v Speaker 1>Hollis Daniels was found. He was found near Lubbock, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Lubbock Municipal Coliseum. I stumbled out my bad, which is

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<v Speaker 1>situated on the Texas Tech University campus and relatively close

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<v Speaker 1>to the police station where the shooting actually occurred. So

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<v Speaker 1>he actually never did leave the campus. So Hollis was

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<v Speaker 1>quickly apprehended with out further incident at around nine thirty PM,

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<v Speaker 1>approximately an hour and forty five minutes after the shooting

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<v Speaker 1>had taken place. So while the search for him was occurring,

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<v Speaker 1>a forty five caliber pistol was found discarded in a

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<v Speaker 1>storm drain on campus. This not only was proven to

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<v Speaker 1>be the murder weapon, but the stolen firearm from Hollis's

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<v Speaker 1>friend Leo. Now, the question remained, though, how did Hollis

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<v Speaker 1>manage to hide the gun from authorities and smuggle it

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<v Speaker 1>into the police station while he was being detained? You

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<v Speaker 1>had a question already, and what was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I've moved on to another question, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>basically like how the heck he had this where it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, was where the hell was the gun?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you said what they did a full pat down?

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<v Speaker 2>Right they did? Yeah? I remember you saying, that's what's

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<v Speaker 2>your new question? Jeez my brain. Okay, Well, because I

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<v Speaker 2>know I don't understand this. It just makes no sense

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<v Speaker 2>to me that someone would go to the length of

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<v Speaker 2>found so soon after, like you think that you would

422
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<v Speaker 2>just I don't know. That just seems like such lengths

423
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<v Speaker 2>to just be like here. Yeah, I am kind of like,

424
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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, I wholeheartedly agree with you. There's I can't find

426
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<v Speaker 1>reason for any of this, if I'm being honest, other

427
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<v Speaker 1>than hey, substance abuse and mental health.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's true, because I mean, gosh, to take a

429
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<v Speaker 2>life like that, God, you think you would just run

430
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<v Speaker 2>for the goddamn hills and never be found.

431
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<v Speaker 1>No, he didn't really even go very far.

432
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<v Speaker 2>So what was the point of that?

433
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, we're going to back up though, how

434
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<v Speaker 1>did he actually get the gun into the police officer

435
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<v Speaker 1>officer station while he was being detained? And he did

436
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<v Speaker 1>go through a full pat down, So I'm going to

437
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<v Speaker 1>go through everything on how it occurred. Are you ready

438
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<v Speaker 1>for this?

439
00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.599
<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah, Okay, I'm very intrigued here.

440
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<v Speaker 1>In order for all this to happen, everything had to

441
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<v Speaker 1>go perfectly, and by perfectly, I don't mean according to

442
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<v Speaker 1>plan or anything not like Hollis planned this out. It's

443
00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:13.680
<v Speaker 1>just a matter of a domino effect where one thing

444
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.839
<v Speaker 1>leads to another and to another, and if it doesn't

445
00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:20.279
<v Speaker 1>happen exactly as it did, then Hollis would have never,

446
00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:24.039
<v Speaker 1>never have been able to murder Officer East in cold blood.

447
00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I already hate this. Then you want those domino effects

448
00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:30.599
<v Speaker 2>to go when it's like in someone's favor, yes, and

449
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<v Speaker 2>this is not.

450
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<v Speaker 1>No, it did not go in anyone's favor. So while

451
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Hollis was being searched in the dorms, the officers did

452
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<v Speaker 1>not cut any corners and do an insufficient job. They

453
00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:46.839
<v Speaker 1>did their job correctly. They turned out his pockets, they

454
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.400
<v Speaker 1>had him raise his arms, they felt his torso is, waistline,

455
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.960
<v Speaker 1>you name it. They did it all. Yet the entire time,

456
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<v Speaker 1>they never felt the gun that was tucked into the

457
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<v Speaker 1>front of his pants. They didn't feel it because everything. Sorry,

458
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:06.359
<v Speaker 1>every time Hollis moved or the officers patted his body,

459
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the gun shifted and fell further into his pants. Each

460
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<v Speaker 1>time they felt around they might have just missed the gun,

461
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<v Speaker 1>and the gun slipped further. And then they put their

462
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<v Speaker 1>hand where the gun was, and then it slipped further,

463
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<v Speaker 1>always missing the gun, while always insuring they still padded

464
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<v Speaker 1>down completely and sufficiently. Damn, really, they missed contact the

465
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<v Speaker 1>entire process until eventually the gun slid. The gun had

466
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<v Speaker 1>slid down his pant leg, coming to a rest in

467
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<v Speaker 1>the bottom cuff of his pants when the search ended.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that seems impossible.

469
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<v Speaker 1>But that's exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>From here, as Hollis was being led from the dorm,

472
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<v Speaker 1>he asked to stop and tie his shoe. Yep, the

473
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<v Speaker 1>request was denied, but it is assumed at this point

474
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<v Speaker 1>he was hoping to retrieve the gun, but he was

475
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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to. Regardless, he was put back into the

476
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.160
<v Speaker 1>police car, into the back seat. At this point, the

477
00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:11.480
<v Speaker 1>gun actually fell out of his pant leg onto the

478
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<v Speaker 1>floor of the police cruiser, and if they actually watched

479
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.440
<v Speaker 1>back the footage in the cruiser, you can audibly hear

480
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:24.559
<v Speaker 1>a thud no with the cuffs still on his wrist

481
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:29.319
<v Speaker 1>behind his back, Hollis managed to maneuver the gun back

482
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:32.279
<v Speaker 1>into place and tuck it into his sock without being noticed.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

484
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<v Speaker 1>How I don't know, Like I say, the perfect domino.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Effect, because in the video you can literally see that

486
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.119
<v Speaker 2>or hear whatever. The gun fully fell out of his pants.

487
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.559
<v Speaker 1>It's not like super loud, but you can hear a.

488
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Thud, so like it was out of his pants. It

489
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:51.279
<v Speaker 2>was out of this He managed to do that?

490
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay?

491
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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

492
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<v Speaker 1>From here. Once inside the station, Officer East's kindness was

493
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:03.599
<v Speaker 1>the final thing that Hollis needed. Officer East, having compassion,

494
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:08.839
<v Speaker 1>he removed Hollis's handcuffs because of his so far good behavior,

495
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and he began the processing.

496
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Damn.

497
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>There is security footage from the booking room which shows

498
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Hollis tying his shoe where he is actually retrieving the pistol.

499
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.759
<v Speaker 1>From here, he waits the right moment. He strikes up

500
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:27.799
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with Officer East by asking about his family

501
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and his kids, and then in that moment he raises

502
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the gun, shooting and killing Officer East.

503
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.440
<v Speaker 2>What the shit he's asking him about his family?

504
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

505
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:41.880
<v Speaker 2>And then he kills them.

506
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Later in court Hollis recalled why he asked about

507
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.279
<v Speaker 1>his family right before shooting him, to which he responded

508
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:50.279
<v Speaker 1>that he thought it would be a good final thought

509
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:57.039
<v Speaker 1>before he died. Like, holy, that is fucking cold blood.

510
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Whoa that is nasty. Yeah, And so this guy had

511
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.279
<v Speaker 2>like a family and kids and shit.

512
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I didn't research on on his family exactly, but I

513
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:13.279
<v Speaker 1>do know he had he had kids, and he had

514
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:15.880
<v Speaker 1>a family. But other than that, I don't know the

515
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:16.759
<v Speaker 1>extent of them.

516
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 2>What a fucker. Wow wow wow.

517
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<v Speaker 1>Yep, so Hollis. Alvin Daniels, the third, was charged with

518
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>the capital murder of Officer Floyd East Junior, a charge

519
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>that carries severe penalties, including the possibility of the death

520
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>penalty or life imprisonment without parole. His defense team, not

521
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:46.559
<v Speaker 1>surprisingly focused on his extensive history of mental health issues

522
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and drug addiction. They argued that these factors significantly impaired

523
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.400
<v Speaker 1>his judgment and behavior at the time of the shooting,

524
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.640
<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure it did, but it's still no exit.

525
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>And to me, you know what, if he's sitting here

526
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>asking about family, that shows me he was not impaired whatsoever.

527
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, personally, he knew what he was doing and

528
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.599
<v Speaker 2>he like, oh gosh, he had so many, so much

529
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 2>time to change his mind of that as well.

530
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So. After several years of legal proceedings and maneuvering

531
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<v Speaker 1>and pre trial activities, a pivotal moment in the case

532
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>occurred in August of twenty twenty one, when Hollis Daniels

533
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 1>entered a plea agreement to avoid the death penalty. He

534
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty to the charge of capital murder. As part

535
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.839
<v Speaker 1>of the plea agreement, Hollis was sentenced to life in

536
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 1>prison without the possibility of parole. The agreement and sentencing

537
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>brought a mix of emotions from the community and Officer

538
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>East family. While justice was served through the conviction and sentencing,

539
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 1>the loss of Officer East continued to weigh heavily on

540
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 1>those who knew and loved him about Officer East. Officer

541
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<v Speaker 1>Floyd East, Junior was a dedicated law enforcement officer who

542
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.839
<v Speaker 1>served pridefully at Texas Tech University. He was born and

543
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 1>raised in El Paso, Texas, and was known for his

544
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>strong commitment and community service and had a passion for

545
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.079
<v Speaker 1>helping others. Upon joining the Texas Tech University Police Department,

546
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Officer East quickly became a respected and loved member of

547
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.799
<v Speaker 1>the campus community. His colleagues and students alike admired his professionalism, kindness,

548
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 1>and dedication to ensuring the safety and well being of

549
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone on campus. He was known for his friendly demeanor

550
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 1>and his ability to connect with students, often going above

551
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.559
<v Speaker 1>and beyond his duties to offer support in guidance. Officer

552
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 1>East was not only a committed officer, but also devoted

553
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 1>family man. He was married and had two daughters. That

554
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>is the extent of what I really know, but they do.

555
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>They were the light for him. His family and friends

556
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>remember him as a loving husband, a father who always

557
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 1>put his family first. Leg He is one of dedication selfishness.

558
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 1>In the wake of his death, numerous tributes and memorials

559
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>were held in honor of his memory. Vigils and memorial

560
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:12.119
<v Speaker 1>services were held at Texas Tech University and in El

561
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Paso alike. In honor of him, scholarships and awards have

562
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>been established to support students pursuing careers in law enforcement

563
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:25.599
<v Speaker 1>and criminal justice. Officer east legacy continues to inspire others

564
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 1>in the law enforcement community and beyond. Officer Floyd East,

565
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Junior was sworn in at the Texas Tech Police on

566
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>May first, twenty seventeen. He had only been with the

567
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Texas Tech University Police Department for about five months before

568
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 1>he was tragically killed at the hands of Hollis Daniels.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, man, that is just like, I mean, gosh, motes,

570
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 2>murders and stuff are very unnecessary, but that is just like, Oh,

571
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.839
<v Speaker 2>it's his heart wrenching.

572
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Really it is. Well, the compassion that he had. Yeah,

573
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>he allowed Hollis out of cuffs, which I'm going to

574
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:08.559
<v Speaker 1>argue here. I don't know if it would have been

575
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the final thing. I think Hollis might have been able

576
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to still get away with this even in cuffs.

577
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think a lot of times you see, like

578
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:20.759
<v Speaker 2>when they're in the interrogation room, that the criminals aren't necessarily.

579
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh cuffs, Yeah, definitely. So there was protocols that were followed,

580
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think there was anything bad that was

581
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>done in how it was executed. It just so happened

582
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that he managed to get through it all with a

583
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.079
<v Speaker 1>gun still at his person.

584
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And this poor man was just like, you know,

585
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.440
<v Speaker 2>trying to make the world a better place and helping

586
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.119
<v Speaker 2>out and I mean, yeah, they put themselves in that

587
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.319
<v Speaker 2>sort of situation. Right, but it just never should have

588
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to come to be I agree, like, gosh, yeah, like

589
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.839
<v Speaker 2>you said, the dominos, because he was searched till it's

590
00:31:58.880 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 2>just like.

591
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>He was searched for. I don't know if anyone's heard this.

592
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I know if your phone was going nuts, I don't

593
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 2>know why I'm trying to ignore it.

594
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 1>You need to put it on side.

595
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, I generally do. Out of like two hundred episodes,

596
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>this is the only episode. Well, maybe there's been one other.

597
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.319
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, it's fine. It's probably Melissa. Just tell

598
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:24.880
<v Speaker 1>her to shut up. Yeah, so it was. That's exactly

599
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 1>what it was. It's the perfect storm, if you will,

600
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>domino effect, or if in the safety world I'm falling

601
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>back of my safety history again, they call it the

602
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Swiss cheese effect, where it's like all the holes just

603
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>happened to line up properly for the accident to occur. So,

604
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.839
<v Speaker 1>and that's exactly what it was. It's like all the

605
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Swiss cheese happens to line up for a perfect hole

606
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>for something to fall through. And that's exactly this scenario.

607
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 1>You could not have foreseen this, you could not have

608
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 1>prevented it. He did a bad thing. He knew it

609
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>was going to do a bad thing, and he just

610
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 1>so happened to have the weapon to do it.

611
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 2>It's still honestly been surprising to me that he went

612
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 2>that far. I know, like it's a bit shocking.

613
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>And in because I saw some stuff with him afterwards,

614
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>like in the rooms and stuff like that, like when

615
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.119
<v Speaker 1>he was actually arrested and stuff after the fact, and

616
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>he's like doing a phone call and he's talking to

617
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 1>like his sister and dad, and he seems fine, like

618
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>he's not crying or like really remorsefully. It's just like

619
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:24.519
<v Speaker 1>he almost seems like it's no big deal. He's going

620
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to get out soon. Sort of situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm hmm. Yeah, that does sort of, I mean seem

622
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 2>like some sort of meant like quite a mental health

623
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 2>disorder there. It's like a switch, you know.

624
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but yeah, we don't know.

625
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, still, gosh, he took a life, and yeah,

626
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:44.799
<v Speaker 2>that is just so bad.

627
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Throughout any of the video that I saw with him,

628
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.039
<v Speaker 1>he was very much so calm, cool and collected, and

629
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<v Speaker 1>he just I don't know, even though he'd taken a life,

630
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:54.359
<v Speaker 1>he's still the same.

631
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow. That's bizarre. Yeah, so scary.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a story of Hollis Daniels and Officer Floyd East Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh shit, Yeah, so that's like that's uh, I don't know, gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean lots of times at the end of the episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Speechless, don't know what to say. Yeah, but this was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like really got me because it was just all a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit unexpected, and it's just it's kind of hard

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<v Speaker 2>to explain, right, like, yeah, why the fuck that happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's the thing, because there's interviews with the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Tech Police Department and they're like, why did this happen?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, what the fuck do they say? Mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>it happened. No one did anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It just well no, and like those people too that

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<v Speaker 2>did pat him down, they probably feel so bad, but

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't, like they didn't you don't do anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can only imagine that that just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was Officer Snelson and Officer East that patted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it was then that fucking padded Yeah, okay, for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason I thought it was others. Oh gosh, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It just keeps getting worse.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the ones who who went to the call

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<v Speaker 1>of led shooting. Which, by the way, there was I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how the time in between them showing up

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<v Speaker 1>to the dorms and the actual leed shooting happening, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was like some fresh like cover up on the wall,

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<v Speaker 1>like paint or something, some putty, so he like he

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<v Speaker 1>clearly put a fucking hole in the wall and like

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<v Speaker 1>tried to cover it up and then took off right away.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, Well, on that note, should we go

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<v Speaker 2>continue eating our dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>A chocolate sounds great? Oh my god, We're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a glass of pepto bismo with it. Anyways, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being here for the very first official Friday episode

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<v Speaker 1>for our podcast. If you want to check out any

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<v Speaker 1>of the links, join us on Patreon. Links are all

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<v Speaker 1>in the description of this podcast. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>give us a review, we really appreciate that. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to check us out on you Tube, this is

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<v Speaker 1>all being filmed. If you're on YouTube, you can check

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<v Speaker 1>us out on Spotify, Apple Podcasts too. There's a much

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<v Speaker 1>larger library audio only. We're coming up on two hundred episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>So wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. We only have I think like twenty recorded that

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<v Speaker 1>are on YouTube. We can't go back and video record

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<v Speaker 1>audio only stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't. Surprisingly, we don't have a time machine. But

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<v Speaker 1>going forward, everything's gonna be video and we will be

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<v Speaker 1>putting it on YouTube, so you can check it out there,

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<v Speaker 1>or audio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, you name it, wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>get your podcasts. Yeah, yeah, there you go, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanti words from Nicole. All right, well, thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you on Tuesday, and until then, stay wicked.
