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Speaker 1: Good morning. This is Larry. Good morning, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing today, Larry?

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Speaker 1: You know, every day is a new day.

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Speaker 3: Every day we try to deal with our challenges, our vision,

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execution in life.

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Speaker 1: That's my attitude.

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Speaker 4: Jusury every reason to jump into onoisms because I'll tell

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you what, there's a lot of knowledge and spiritual connection

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with those things when we've got days like today in

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this real world. I know, I know, how did you

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come across this? And the reason why is because Yoko

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Ono has always been a major inspiration to me as

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a creative person, but because I've had the opportunity to

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be with her as well as my last book was

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written about John Lennon. So this is very wild, and

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so to see this book is very very It's almost

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like the university said, by the way, there's something else

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you need to know about Yoko and this book. I mean,

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I just keep studying these Ono wisms over and over again,

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and I can't thank you enough for that.

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Speaker 1: Oh thanks for saying that.

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Speaker 3: Actually that makes me feel good because you know, you

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do work and whatever we do, and you like to

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hear types of gratification and acknowledgement is sort of nice.

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Speaker 4: You know I like that, Well, she's not getting the

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credit for being the wisdom keeper that she is. And

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then when you start looking at these onoisms, you're going,

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oh my god, she's not just that girl who stood

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next to John exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: She's not that girl that's that hung out with John

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and lived with John exactly.

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Speaker 1: She's a power and there's a woman women female artist

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like wow.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, yeah, Because when I was spending time with her,

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it was during her birthday, but the most important thing

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on her mind on that day was her music. I

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mean it was always about that music. And and and

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I kept I kept thinking, this is a beautiful day

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in your life right now. No, the music. We got

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to get back to the music. We're getting into clubs

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right now, and I'm going, oh my god, she's still

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locked in. And I love that about the creative spirit.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a voice.

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Speaker 3: It's not only her her singing voice and her music talents,

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it's a conceptual voice that really made made the whole

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thing work. She was a SuperBrain and super creative and

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insightful and sensitive and worldly. You know that's really part

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of that whole package.

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Speaker 4: Let's give listeners and owner wism. I've always believed my

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art should remain unfinished in the sense that I encourage

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people to add their creativity to it. My god, I

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wish every musical artist would allow me to share that

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with them, because that is so true. It's unfinished. Let's

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don't put a dot at the end. Let's don't even

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cross the tee. It's unfinished.

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Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, that's right. Yeah, well, she is

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a true creative spirit. Question for you. I have a

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bunch of isms I like. I made some notes so

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fine I have.

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Speaker 3: I could talk about the introduction that I wrote kind

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of is interesting in terms of background. Let me give

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you a little bit of an intro and to Yoko

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through my voice, my eyes, how's that?

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Speaker 1: Ye? Is that?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to be reading some of my intros

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so just so it sounds organized. Yokodo has been acclaimed

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has been acclaimed as an avant garde artist, an innovative

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musician and composer, a dedicated advocate for world peace. Her

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impact on global culture is remarkably diverse and far reaching.

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She has been celebrated at solo exhibitions at Museum Modern Art, Guggenheim,

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Tate Modern, and I believe she has a couple of

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big shows coming up this year.

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Speaker 1: Good right. She actually went to Sarah Lawrence College in

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nineteen fifty three. I'm not sure everyone knows that.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like Sarah Lawrence nineteen fifty three. She

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was one of the first students to study philosophy, and

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some of the creativity that she invoked on.

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Speaker 1: Her interest in.

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Speaker 3: Avant garde art and experimental music brought her into the

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raative circle that included artists like Neguchi, John Cage, Alan Capro.

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Speaker 1: So. She was right there, you know, she was right there.

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followed by a concert of groundbreaking works at Carnegie Recital Hall.

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Speaker 3: Ono returned to New York and continuing her work in events,

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film and performance, including another show at Carnegie New Works

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of Yoko Ono. Ono and John Lennon met in nineteen

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sixty six.

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Speaker 1: When he stopped by.

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Speaker 3: That London gallery show that was about to open. He

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viewed her installation piece Ceiling Painting. Lenin climbed the ladder

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to the gallery ceiling where he used a magnifying glass

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to see a message there in tiny print, and after

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two years of friendship, Owner Lennon became a couple.

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Speaker 3: To use the public spotlight to help promote peace and

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social change. Of course, the nineteen sixty nine bed ins

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for A Piece, Give, Piece of Chance, and Imagine were

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strong moments for them. After the birth of their son

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Sean in nineteen seventy five, Owner Lennin made the decision

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to step back from public life, but in nineteen eighty

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they returned to the spotlight with the collaborative album Double

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Fantasy Right. The nineteen eighty nine exhibition of Yoko Ono

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objects at the Whitning Museum of Art marked the renewed

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interest in her art, which has continued to grow.

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Speaker 1: Through her own words. This book.

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Speaker 3: The Book ISM's offers a thoughtful and sustained engagement with

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Ono in quotes collected from interviews, write, written works, and

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other primary sources, reflecting her thoughts on art, creativity, social justice,

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and much more. These excerpts reveal Yoko Ono was a complex, compelling,

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and continually important visual artist. So that's just a little

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quick background in terms of Yoko as a person, Yoko

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meeting John, but Yoko is being Yoko.

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Speaker 4: But you know what's really interesting about what you just

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shared with this hilarry is the fact that you just

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told my heart and everybody else who's listening that Yoko

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was a person before John. She was established before John.

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And that is so important because so many people do

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not understand that that it wasn't that John that came

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and brought the light to her. She was already creating

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her own ray of light.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that only we only saw that later

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in life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but she has that early introduction and foundation of

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intellectual creativity that made this all possible.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's why John Lennon fell in love

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with her. Yeah, he was like the real deal.

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Speaker 2: Please do not move.

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Speaker 4: If there's more with Larry Worsh coming up next, you

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need to add this to your books at home. Onerisms

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from Larry Worsh.

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Speaker 2: We're back.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about some of your ownerisms, the ones that

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you blow away because and the reason why I even

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those people that believes in thoughts. And then I have

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to ask you before we even get started. Did these

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thoughts come to her in pieces parts? Were they in

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moments of now?

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Speaker 2: What? How did they even come into being?

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Speaker 4: Because so many artists will tell me, well, yeah, I

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started writing this song about fifteen years ago and then

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it came together for me now. And I'm thinking, you know,

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would like to know how did these thoughts come together?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the quotes and her her her voice

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was in the now at the time. So if you

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imagine a thorough conversation slash interview slash discussion from those moments,

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you find the jewels of her wisdom that come out,

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because you know, it's quite obvious when you hear a

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quote or a thought really like wow, that's heavy duty,

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you know, that's like really interesting. So I think for us,

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our team Princeton and our editorial director in terms of

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getting the right voice, getting the right mix of quotes

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and voice. So when the reader looks at this book,

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that go I get it.

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Speaker 1: And the point of all.

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Speaker 3: These books is in books that I do, and happily

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it's like one of the best things I do.

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Speaker 1: I like them a lot.

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Speaker 3: Is there's so many books that have visual art, books

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that are big catalogs, thousands of pictures, hundreds of pictures,

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twenty thirty books. This is the smallest book with the

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most punch. It's the only book that it really talks

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about the artist's voice, Like, what is this person saying?

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guy say? We know his work, but what did he say?

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Virgil Ablow, which just has a new book out, what.

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Speaker 1: Did he say? And that's the purpose of this series

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that I'm fortunate to work on.

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Speaker 4: WHOA whoa? Which one's touched you? Because I mean, and

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hang with me for years, because I'll always go back

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to the book to say, did I get that right?

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personal life and you grow with it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent.

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I'll start with to be an artist, you need courage, yep.

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the work of an artist, but it's their courage, it's

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their energy. You have great artists no energy, they don't

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get anywhere, right, you got their artists with energy, they

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get sometimes more than the artist who has more more.

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you need courage. Right.

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of survival. Yes, so that was her outlet. That was

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her how she survived by making art.

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my mind is going, Okay, I can hear her voice

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saying that, because I've talked with her, I can hear

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that that that little voice. Now, what for for listeners

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Speaker 3: I feel there's a whole world of the written, of

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the not the written, the voice on top of the quotes,

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of thing. So that's really on my mind. You really, uh,

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you picked a good topic to talk about. And who

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would who would read Yoko? Who would that be? Would

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maybe maybe Marilyn Minter maybe you know, a strong voice,

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a strong women's voice. I would say, that's just a yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be somebody who has lived these lines.

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Speaker 4: Somebody I mean, because even when she says change is

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the nature of life, so enjoy what is now, We've

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live that lifestyle, So therefore I can take change is

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the nature of life. I accept that, and now how

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are we going to embrace it? So that's I'm so

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on your team. When it comes to finding the right voice,

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it's got to come with compassion, empathy as well as

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a reason to grow forward.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, you know what comes to mind is

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and she is of that elk, and she is of

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that mind. She's a sister in that way to Yoko. Oh,

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like breathing. When I stop breathing, what happens?

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Speaker 2: Yep? You die? Right? You die.

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Speaker 4: When when I came across that, when I actually busted

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a gut, because I mean it is a suitcase. Because

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I've been a daily writer since July of nineteen ninety four.

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You should see my suitcase.

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Speaker 3: Larry, Oh my god, it sounds like I have to

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do a book on urysms.

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Speaker 4: Well, that was what my first two books were about,

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One man'sy twenty one Thoughts and Ony twenty one. Oh no,

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anotherenty twenty one thoughts. And I think that's why I

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can tap into this book because it's like, oh my god,

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this is exactly what I want people to do with

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their own personal lives, because they're giving it to the

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next generations.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and actually, it's so important that we all realize

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that we are in the moment now and the moment goes.

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So it's about how we actualize ourselves in our daily life,

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in our daily living. That's so important to me in

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addition to all the creative as I'm around now.

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Speaker 4: She does something here that really caught me off guard

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in the way that because I am a DJ as well,

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and I've been a club DJ, private DJ, that whole works.

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And she says something here that I really did, shout

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out loud dance music one day will be known as

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high art. Yeah, why isn't it already there? And why

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is it not inside the rock and roll Hall of Fame?

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What is going on here? Because it is an investment

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for a lot of these people and a lot of artists.

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You know, when they release a song, they want somebody

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to turn it into a dance song so they can,

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you know, get extra mileage out of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, interesting perspective. I think it's just a medium.

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maybe because of youth and age, becomes a real thing

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beating out sadly rock and roll sometimes, you know, it's

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just which is another subject, you know, in terms of

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categories and genres of music. But that's a good point

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that you make about what she said. Here's another one.

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Change is the nature of life. So enjoy what it

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is now. Yes, that's like being the present. You know,

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she was all about that the door doesn't open with

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the first knock. Be patient, we have to really strive.

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We have to really be patient. When you confront what

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you fear, it disappears. That's really important because confrontation is

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really important and you need to confront your fears to

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get through it. That's in any any walk life.

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Speaker 4: So let me ask you this question. I've been to

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John Lennon's art galleries as it traveled across the country.

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Will she combine the onoisms or will you do that

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with his artwork? Because I believe that we can see

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the picture, but if we get closer to that picture,

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just like John Lennon, we're going to see the tiny words,

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and the tiny words could be Yoko's ooisms.

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Speaker 3: I would love that, but you know, higher powers that

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be are on some of those decisions. But it would

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be great to continue to further her voice illustratively orally. However,

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I think that's really important as she gets on in

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her years and she becomes this masterful artist of our century,

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and I feel that's so important. Another one we have

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to learn how to turn around negative energy into positive energy.

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I think That's important because she was around all this stuff, right,

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and she had no choice but to interpret and around,

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internalize and.

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Speaker 1: Create positive vibes, positive energy.

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Speaker 3: That's what made her and I believe that's a really

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important trait that we all need. How to turn around

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negative energy into positive energy. Right, goes back to how

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to confront what you fear. It disappears that mindset.

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Speaker 4: Where can people go to find out more about the

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book and you, Larry, Because twenty minutes with you is

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just not enough, and I want people to explore their

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process with you and your commitment to everything that is

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going into this book and every other book that you

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spoke about today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I could be googled.

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Speaker 3: Princeton University Press is the publisher. I'm pretty much all around,

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open to new ideas, open to people's thoughts about quotes, artists, creatives.

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Speaker 1: I like doing these books.

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Speaker 3: I like doing these endeavors into positive thinking, positive change, and.

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Speaker 1: Being present the best that we can.

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Speaker 4: God, I love you. You got to come back to

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this show anytime in the future. I love where your

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heart is and you are speaking my street.

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Speaker 2: Larry.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, so nice just to say hello

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this morning to.

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Speaker 2: You will you'll be brilliant today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, thank you,