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Speaker 1: Welcome to That Bigfoot Podcast, where we believe in free speech,

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open discussion, and having a laugh. If that offends you,

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well we're not sorry. We talk a lot and we

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stand by most of it, unless you're a snowflake, in

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which case just assume we didn't mean it. This podcast

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is a mix of truth, nonsense, and humor, so buckle

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up and don't take it too seriously. Listener discretion is

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strongly advised.

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Speaker 2: Wayne, what's going on, man, ran.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful mother Procher, how are you there today?

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Speaker 2: I am hanging in like a hare and a biscuit.

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It's a beautiful sunday here as we record this new

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episode of That Bigfoot Podcast. It is actually gorgeous outside

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here in North Carolina. It is colder than a witch's

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titty and a brass broad doing push ups in the

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snow over the last week or so, so I am

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glad to have a little bit of sunshine and it

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not being so cold. How about you? What's going on

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up in Tennessee?

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Speaker 4: My friend, it's odd you said that, because that's something

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I noticed right before we came on. Just how freaking

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pretty it is outside today in Tennessee, and it's a

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little bit warmer. It's been cold as hell, as you

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did your little witch description thing to allude to the weather.

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But yeah, man, it's beautiful out there today. Yeah, happy

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to be here. Looking forward to getting into another discussion

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with you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're going to talk about the Independence Day footage.

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Old Thinker Thunker put out a video yesterday as we

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record this, and people have been posting about it. You

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sent it to me and I actually watched it this morning.

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So once we get through the voicemails and the emails,

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we're going to get into that today because I find

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it very compelling and I want to get your guys

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opinion on it. You listeners out there that have seen

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this has been around since twenty ten. It's not like

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it's new. But Thinker Thuncker did his Thinker thunkerree science

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on it, and we're going to get into that later on.

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As we record this, I'm leaving tomorrow morning to head

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out to the beach. I'm going out to an undisclosed

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bunker near the beach here in North Carolina to do

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my sit down, face to face interview with Ron Moorehead.

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So I'm excited about that. I've been compiling some questions

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that people have sent in via email and on social

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media's for me to ask Ron tomorrow. I sent him

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a text right before we hopped on here just to

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make sure we were good to go, and he's good

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to go. I'm going to drive up there tomorrow, spend

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the night at the beach house, and I'm going to

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head over to his house in the morning, and we're

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going to spend about three hours together talking about the

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Sierra Sounds. We've got to get your question. You mentioned

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it during the last episode, and I don't think you

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and I talked about that. If we did, I forgot

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about it. So you're gonna have to remind me what

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your question is so I can get it in with Ron.

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I'm looking forward to it and see what things come

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out of this interview. I am glad to be getting

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deeper into the Sierra Sounds, man, I'm really excited about it.

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But enough of that shit. We have some other stuff

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to get into. We have not done a bunch of

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voicemails and emails in a while. I think I should

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start with the voicemails. Well, Hi, Brian and Wayne.

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Speaker 5: This is Brian from Asheville, Brian king Sharp's official chauffeur

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in Florida. Just want to leave a quick voicemail and say, Brian,

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I just want to congratulate you on your success. I've

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been following you from the get go and have really

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enjoyed saying your growth as a podcaster. Congratulations on all

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your success. Also, I got your book, can't wait to

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read it. Lastly, Fred from Alaska, I can't.

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Speaker 2: Get enough of that guy.

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Speaker 5: He is intense and some of the stories that he

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pells from Alaska are compelling. There's some crazy shit that

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goes on there. I can't get enough of him. If

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people don't like Fred, don't listen to it. Listen to

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a podcast is by choice. If they don't want to

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hear him speak, then just delete that episode and move

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on those of us that really do enjoy it. But overall, well,

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you guys are doing a great job. You and White

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have great chemistry. Looking forward to future shows and I'm

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looking forward to seeing you Brian at the Florida Bigfoot Conference.

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Speaker 2: Take care. Thanks for the voicemail, Brian. Brian was actually

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my official show foreur when I landed in Florida last year.

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dinner and hung out all weekend. He is a super guy.

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a couple of hours here. And I've known Brian for years.

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the show. I met him for the first time at

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the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference I think four years ago.

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Great guy. We appreciate the voicemail. That's actually his first

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ever voicemail. I've been on his ass forever. He sends emails,

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but he never sends voicemails, and I'm like, dude, you

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got to leave a voicemail and be a part of

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the show. So he finally sent me a text message

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the other day and said, Hey, I left you guys

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a voicemail. It was actually ready for the last episode

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that we did, but we got into other things and

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we didn't get to play it. We appreciate it very much, Brian. Okay,

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here goes the next one. I think you'll find this

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one very interesting.

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, it's a Bryan from Victory. You're giving you

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a callback. I just listened to the episode with a

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big Foot and I just discovered this podcast last night.

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I listened to the show last night. I'm surprised that

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the reaction you got from it. If you've got a

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couple of important things wronger, I wasn't sixteen when that

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encounter happened. I was thirty one when it happened. And

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it wasn't just a camping trip that we went on.

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It was a government sponsored when we had three government

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workers with us. Yeah, I'd really like to talk to

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you guys again.

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Speaker 7: I'm much more comfortable now that I have actually got

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it out. The number one reason is my mom passed

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away and I did not want to embarrass her in anyway.

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Number two, every podcast that I listened to on Peak

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foot they all say if you've seen something, call in.

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There wasn't more reasons. But I would like to talk

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to you guys. You're quite welcome to call me. I'm

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not on the internet or anything like that. You can

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call me. Because I really didn't get into every everything

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that I wanted to on that podcast because I was

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so nervous. This time, i'd be more relaxed. I don't know,

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if you want to do a show, you don't have to.

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What I would like to do is just talk to

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you guys, just straighten out some misconceptions that happened during

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it on the train, I was probably thirteen years old,

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but I was thirty one when my main encounter happens.

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But anyways, i'd really like to hear from you, guys.

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I'm sorry that you got the response you did. I

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can't understand why people just focus on the sex instead

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of sleep. I know their names for crying out loud.

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Not only do I know their names, I would have

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an up close and close encounter with them. I can't

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understand why everybody's just focused on the sex. Quarterback, There's

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some more reasons why I would like to talk to you.

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Please get a hold of me.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: The actual Sex with Sasquatch day.

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Speaker 2: That is Ryan from Canada, the Sex with the Sasquatch guy.

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the voicemail. I obviously took his phone number out. He

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left his number in the voicemail. I am going to

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reach out to him and I feel a live that

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Bigfoot podcast coming up with me. You Tiff and Ryan

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from Canada talking about sex with a sasquatch. Don't you

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feel that? Do you feel that in your bones.

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Speaker 4: You took those words directly from my mouth. I was

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thinking that the whole time. Please let's get Ryan on

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for a follow up. I just cannot understand why on

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earth anyone would be focused on the bone and a

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sasquatch part of it. Yeah, I mean, you're focusing on

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the wrong part.

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Speaker 3: People.

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Speaker 2: He knows their names, damn it.

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Speaker 3: They had the one was screaming his name.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I have a memory that's like a gnat,

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so I have a very difficult time remembering everything that

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happens during these episodes. But i'd have to go back

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and listen. I don't know how I got that fact wrong.

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I thought he gave it the age that he was

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when this happened. Maybe I'm incorrect there. I will take

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responsibility if I got that wrong. He was actually thirty

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one years old when he had this encounter with this

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female sasquatch, not sixteen years old. He claims that there

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were government people involved in that, so we'll have to

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get back into that. There's a ton of questions that

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people had about that episode. I think it is only

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fair that we do alive with Ryan if he's willing

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to do that. You guys can be a part of

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that in an upcoming episode. I will definitely reach out

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to him asap and see if we can get that

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on the calendar. Wayne, this is going to be tough

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to follow, but we've got another voicemail here.

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Speaker 8: Hey Brian, this is Alan from Cadillact, Michigan. Hope Paul

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is going well for you and yours And I just

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got them to listen to the Wayne Wilson episode. Holy shit,

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was that funny? With no real warning going into it.

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I'm just like, are you fucking hitting me? I can't

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believe that this guy is on And as it went

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on as oh my god. I lived in Nashville for

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about nine years right around with a bunch of different

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guys at the guitar shop that I worked at. I

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had a couple of boys from Bama to Wayne would

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know this guy or not know the guy necessarily, but

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where we affectionately called him the Robertson County Redneck because

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things are just a little bit different up in Robertson County.

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freaking stories that work. They would even if you're watching

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them tell the story, you.

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Speaker 2: Swear to god, they believe it.

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Speaker 8: It was so hilarious and it just went on and

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it just feel. One of them had said to me

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at one point he talked about you if I'd ever

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seen any sasquatch up here in Michigan, And I said

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I had as a child as a matter of fact.

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Speaker 2: That he goes off on this thing and he.

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Speaker 8: Slips into some surb of the Native American an accent

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and stuff. If he went into this long diatribe about

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what to do when you see the sad squatch, and

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he paused. He goes, you know why no one has

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seen sasquatch because sasquatch is waiting for a specific fake

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from somebody whoever sees him. And he goes, so far

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no one has done. He goes, I know the secret,

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he goes, and all you got to do? You see

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the sasquatch. An elder told.

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Speaker 5: You this, Show them a weeder, and like, show him

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your wieder.

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Speaker 2: He goes, yes, you show him your wider.

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Speaker 8: The sasquatch is gonna buckle down a little bit, put

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his hands on his knees and just start laughing. It's

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gonna look at you and go you got me, bastard.

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I've been playing hide and seek that this is a secret.

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Now that I've seen your wiener, We're good, man, We're good.

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And then the story went on from there. But apparently

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I don't know shit, maybe there is some truth to that.

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But thanks to Gifford doing what you're doing. Yeah, that

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was freaking hilarious. I needed that today. So thanks to

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Gaffer doing what you do. Brother, take care of yourself

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all right, bye?

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Speaker 2: Wayne. I wished I had heard this voicemail from Alan

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before I saw Sasquatch, because I could have showed Sasquatch

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my wiener.

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Speaker 3: He would have hung around longer.

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Speaker 2: Who knows what might have happened. I might have entered

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into some sort of a special club. Like Ryan, we're

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going to get into that. You and I really haven't

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talked about this, but what was your opinion on the

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put out a couple of weeks ago. What was your

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Speaker 4: We talked about it a little bit. I guess we

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hadn't gone into great detail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man.

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Speaker 4: He came out of the gate swinging hard, like swinging

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for the fences, talking about Andre the Giant being a

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big Foot. I agree with the listener the voiceman we

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just played. I believe with all my heart that see

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Wayne Wilson one hundred percent believes what he says. I

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don't see any malicious intent here. I don't see him

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sitting around coming up with hoaxes and lies and stuff.

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I think he really thinks that he sees these things

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and his mind just takes off whatever that is. I

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don't want to say mental illness. I don't know something

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happens in his mind that leads him to believe that

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all this stuff really is happening.

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Speaker 3: What do you do with that? Because he's not lying.

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If he believes it, it's not a lot.

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Speaker 2: That is very true. And he doesn't have a ton

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of time in his life to be making up stories

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about Bigfoot because he's running his only fans. That's a

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ton of time. Time Taking all of those photographs that

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he posts on Instagram and Facebook and his only fans

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takes up a lot of times, So he doesn't have

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a whole lot of time to be making up stories

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about Bigfoot. All right, I think it's a perfect time

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to move on to another voicemail here. This is going

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to be the last voicemail of the day, but certainly

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not the least.

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Speaker 9: Hey fella Joel and Wyoming enduring the zero and suck

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zero STEMP. Since I'm out there working in the oil

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field at night.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I wanted to touch base.

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I believe I had a voicemail at the same time

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that you talked about this height and it was the

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two guys didn't work in or Washington now on Christmas

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went out and then they found them at seat. Just

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remind you, I know, I told you guys in private conversation.

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Last paramedic for almost twenty five years, and I worked

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out here in Wyoming and we had Sam go for

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practice and we did quite a bit of stuff. We

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worked in the er and then answered calls from there.

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But I wanted to talk about this, Kate. Now I

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don't know anything about it, and the Sheriff's Department, last

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I knew, just listened to this as a issue of

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environmental I did several long cees education module thought Michael

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Hermsha and we talked to this and so the point

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being is advocated werewool. We got the solipropylene long John's

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that went away moisture.

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Speaker 3: If you get we have fire, start.

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lot of stories of very tragic stories of people that

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when the investigation was done and looked over, you could

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tell where these folks might have even been hallucinating. And

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we're peeling off clothes. And I'm wanting, in particular, if

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I could get it done in the time. Pull your

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guy fishing in the springtime up in the bigcarns here

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in Wyoming over by Sheridan and Buffalo, Wyoming, and he

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must have got wet and to create.

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Speaker 2: And yet unfortunately his voicemail dropped out. He was having

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some issues with the voicemail apparently because there was a

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dead spot of about two minutes in the middle of

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his voicemail, and obviously his story just trailed off and

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stopped there. So Joel, make sure you get back with us,

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do another voicemail and finish out that story. Wayne. I

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was looking this morning and trying to find if there

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was any more information on those two big footers out

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in the Pacific Northwest that passed away over the Christmas holiday,

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and I can't see any updates. Everything seems to be

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from a month or so back. Have you seen any

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updates about this case or have they added anything else

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to it? Or is it pretty much a case closed

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in everybody's mind.

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Speaker 10: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We

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will be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just like you, it was just a few days ago.

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I thought about it again and got back on to

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try to find some more information because back when we

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first found out about it, they weren't releasing the names

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or anything.

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Speaker 4: I tried to look again, and like you, that mean

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there's nothing new about it. I was at least hoping

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to get a little more detail on how they passed.

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I know they were pretty vague and it was the

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elements and stuff, but that could be several things. But

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like Joel said, probably hypothermia you would think played a

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role in it. But man, we got to be safe

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out there, guys. This is something that we all love doing.

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The people that listen to this show, the majority of them,

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we enjoy getting out and looking for them. And it's

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supposed to be fun getting out there, get exercise, fresh air,

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one with nature and look for the big guy.

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Speaker 3: But we got to use our heads.

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Speaker 4: We have to stay safe first and foremost guys, please

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stay safe out there. Let people know where you're going

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to be and when to expect you back. Yeah, y'all

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know all the basic stuff. But yeah, I can't find

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any more information on it either.

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Speaker 2: If anybody has any other information on these guys and

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maybe causes of death and those kind of things, let

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us know. You can send us an email or leave

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us a voicemail. Speaking of emails, I want to get

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into this. I've had this for a while, but we

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haven't read it. On the last probably three episodes that

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it's been around. Russ posted some stuff over in the

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Bigfoot Encounters and Field Research group on Facebook. This is

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something that he brought up. It's pretty short, but I

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want to address this because it's something that's come up

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a couple of times and Russ made a point to

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post about it. Let me read this email right quickly

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and we can have a brief conversation about this. One

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thing that bothers me and maybe others and possibly why

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they are lashing out at you, is that forty acres

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is not that big of an area. You keep saying

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that you live on forty acres, but you can walk

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any forty acre plot in its entirety in less than

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a day. That being said, you should start telling listeners

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that you're forty eight is surrounded by thousands of acres

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that are heavily wooded as well, and Bigfoot is probably

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just passing through the forty U own just a thought.

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I may post something about that in the group, but

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I don't think it's really that big of a deal.

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Hope all is going well. Have a wonderful Friday and weekend.

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And I don't think we've covered this, have we I

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haven't heard it? Okay, Yeah, so let me talk about that.

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Russ is talking specifically about the forty acres that we

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live on here in North Carolina, and it is surrounded

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by hundreds and hundreds of acres of nothing but wooded land.

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I think I've laid this to rest. It's been probably

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a month ago at this point, I put my drone

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up and did some three sixties around the property. It's

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over on Instagram if you follow me on Instagram at

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Bigfoot BCS, or on TikTok at Bigfoot BCS, or in

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the Facebook group Bigfoot Encounters and Field Research on Facebook.

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I've posted these videos. It's pretty self explanatories. Yeah, forty

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acres is not a huge waft of land, but there's

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still places on my forty acres that I haven't hiked yet.

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the thickness of the woods, you add in the elevation

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changes on the property, it's not as simple as I

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don't know that I could cover all forty acres here

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in the day. Honestly, probably could, but it would be

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difficult to do so. Yeah, to Russ's point, I guess

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I could start making that point a little bit more clearly.

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It is what it is. Forty acres is not that huge,

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but when it's surrounded by hundreds and hundreds of other acres,

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I think it is possible that Sasquatch is passing through

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this area. And that's why we've heard the vocalization. That's

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why we've had some of the weird things that we've had,

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the footprints and other things on the property. Who knows,

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they may be bedded down on the property right now,

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for all I know. You haven't been here and seen it, Wayne,

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but you've seen enough to know what the lay of

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the land looks like here Is it that important, because

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I know you've talked to people. I've certainly talked to

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people that live in places like subdivisions literally subdivisions in

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a cul de sac that butts up to woods that

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claim to have seen and or had some kind of

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sasquatch activity. I think we've talked about it plenty of

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times before, about these edges that we create when we

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cut into the areas where these things are. I don't

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think it's that out of the norm for people to say, yeah,

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it's possible if you only have forty acres, but if

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it's in a very wooded area and it's surrounded by

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more land like that that's uninhabited, Is it that big

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of a stretch to think that there could be some

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bigfoot activity there.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, I don't think so at all.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a good point that Russ makes because

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when you hear someone say forty acres, I would love

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to own forty acres of wooded property. But when you

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think the forty acres, it's a big pot of land,

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but it's not huge, So it probably is a good

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thing to add in that your forty acres is surrounded

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by thousands.

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Speaker 3: Of other uninhabited of wooded land. It paints a bigger picture.

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Speaker 4: But like you said, we've talked to people that live

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in neighborhoods that butt up to forest land that claim

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to have had these things walk into their backyard. Bigfoot

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don't know that those forty acres are yours or your

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neighbors where your property line starts and stops. Obviously, they're

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just passing through unless they have a den on your property,

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and you wouldn't know that. Obviously, they don't know where

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it starts and stops, so they're just no passing through

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my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Just to put into perspective, like, forty

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acres is relatively the same size as thirty football fields.

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So if you put thirty football fields together, we all

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watch football, right, and forty acres is about thirty football

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fields put together. That's a good visual comparison. Imagine a

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football field, put thirty of those together and drop them.

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I'm in the middle of the woods. That's what we're

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sitting on, basically.

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Speaker 3: On a land, dude.

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Speaker 2: It is quite a bit, all right. I'm going to

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move into the emails here. This one is lengthy, but

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it's something I think is important. It comes from a scientist.

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He's a PhD that sent this in. Dear Brian, I've

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been a listener and reader of that Bigfoot podcast Sasquatch

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Odyssey and Paranormal Odyssey as well, from exactly two weeks

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before you released your first newsletter. I really enjoy Ur

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and Wayne's critical, evidence based take on the Sasquatch Bigfoot topic.

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As a result, I am rather excited to hear about

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your recent experiences when the non disclosure document expires. And sorry,

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this quick note turned into more of an essay, so

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probably too long to read out, but feel free. Why

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am I writing? I am a scientist. In fact, I'm

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a biomedical scientist. Even I say this not to boast qualifications. Hell,

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I couldn't rebuild an engine or dovetail a wood joint.

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Everything is relative. But then again, mechanics and carpenters don't

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often get given labels based on their expertise. What am

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I talking about, skeptics. I had not read Bernard Barber's

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paper until you mentioned it in your newsletter, but now

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I have, and it was very interesting. I agreed with

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some of it, disagreed with other parts, and what I'm

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about to say is not specifically directed at you, Brian.

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I respect you and Wayne as rational thinkers, but as

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I'm an avid listener to the podcasts and reader of

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the public Facebook threads, I hear the word skeptic thrown

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about a lot regarding scientists. So, although I know where

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you're coming from, last week's newsletter simply tipped the balance

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for me. Barbara was writing about a scientific world that

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no longer exists, a world of science consisting of relatively

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few people compared to today, and dominated by big names

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at old universities. Importantly, he was talking about a world

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in which communicating ideas, even new paradigm changing ideas, to

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the scientific community happened at a snail's pace. You had

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to wait for a paper to be published and the

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publishing journal to be posted by mail around the world.

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Then you had to find that journal in a library,

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read it, and then, based on whatever you read, decide

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on its accuracy or relevance. If you wanted to see

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that newly published data to be replicated or tested, and

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to read comparative papers that took months years. Even science

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was slow. Barber even quotes the physicist Helmholtz saying new

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ideas need the more time for gaining general assent, the

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more really original they are. So true, time, not skepticism,

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has been the issue. Time for the evidence that strengthened

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and backed up new ideas to be created, written, published,

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then read, not as Barber suggests, and inherent skeptical suspicion

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or incredulity that the idea itself was false, Not that

476
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skepticism was or is absent, or that any one of

477
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those big name scientists mentioned by Barber didn't ignore or

478
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,359
actively oppose new data because it might have challenged their

479
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,519
own authority, but no more than any person in any

480
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:10,599
other field of employment. And when that new data was

481
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,960
finally more widely read by the scientific community, it became accepted.

482
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,599
Think about those fascinating primate discoveries you write about in

483
00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:23,200
the newsletter. They were all eventually accepted as real, the bonobos,

484
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,680
the orangutan, the mountain guerrillas, because it took time to

485
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,519
gather evidence, and science runs on the systematic building of

486
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:35,039
evidence over time. In your career as a peace officer,

487
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:37,720
I am sure that you didn't leap to conclusions, but

488
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:42,079
worked for or waited for evidence to be built. Just

489
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,839
the same. For science, time not a matter of skepticism

490
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,839
or resistance to discovery. Today, research data can be created

491
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,000
than published in weeks and is available immediately online. That

492
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,799
data can be studied and retested or refuted in the

493
00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:01,079
same short time. Sometimes too, science journalists pick up a

494
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,359
story and run with it, particularly the potential paradigm shifting research.

495
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,240
New data doesn't need to be searched out. It's not hidden,

496
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:13,680
It's there in abundance for all to see. Science podcasters,

497
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,279
bloggers and instagrammers spread science news and debate daily to

498
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:21,440
the scientific world and beyond. The scientific world of Barber,

499
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,359
Helmot's Plank and Mendel just doesn't exist anymore, and new

500
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,559
ideas cannot be easily blocked or denied in the same

501
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:31,319
way they once might have been. What does this mean

502
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,960
for the study of a possible new great ape or

503
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,519
hominid species. Scientists are not, by nature skeptics. We are

504
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,920
certainly not resistant to discovery. Most of us cannot afford

505
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,279
to be. We are motivated by fascination of the world

506
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,279
or a desire to improve things or discover things. In fact,

507
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,480
discovering things is an absolute requirement for a PhD. But frankly,

508
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,680
most of us are just trying to pay our rent

509
00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:01,880
or reduce our mortgage like everyone else. Lists from relevant disciplines,

510
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:05,160
open minded or skeptical, would jump at the chance to

511
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,519
study a world changing anthropological subject given two things. One

512
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,680
sufficient evidence that it's worth the effort, and exceptional claims

513
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,839
require exceptional evidence, and sasquatch is one hell of an

514
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:23,599
exceptional claim. A new wolf species in the PNW hair

515
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,079
and paw prints might be okay, A new owl species

516
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,559
in Michigan up a feather and a photograph could be enough,

517
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:34,400
but a new upright walking ape with intelligence close to

518
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,599
ours that would need something more. Frankly, I suspect that

519
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,799
a type specimen would be needed Exceptional, observable, unambiguous evidence

520
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:49,279
because scientists are skeptical of new discoveries. No, because scientists

521
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:52,359
are evidence based, no matter how open minded we are.

522
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:57,240
And two, in practical terms, it's money. It takes a

523
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,920
lot to fund research. We cannot pick up and run

524
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:04,960
off to do new research without funding running costs, equipment, salaries,

525
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,759
for assistance, heck even heating our labs. It must come

526
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,759
from somewhere. A small project in the biological lab could

527
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,319
cost tens of thousands of dollars. A larger one perhaps

528
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:21,160
with field research hundreds of thousands, but with sufficient evidence

529
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,480
and funding, you would have first one or two. Then

530
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,000
many scientists queuing up to pursue it because we can't

531
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,440
afford to waste research time and resources, not because we

532
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,000
are resistant to discovery. So why am I, as a

533
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:37,759
lifelong rational scientist following your blog or listening to the

534
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:43,799
Bigfoot stories? Do I believe? Honestly No, just like many others,

535
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,880
I have simply not seen sufficient evidence to accept such

536
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,680
an extraordinary claim. Then why I am open to discoveries,

537
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,319
however unlikely they do happen, and for Bigfoot, as the

538
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:58,279
Great Fox Molder once said, all the evidence to the

539
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:04,519
contrary is not entirely dissuasive. Plus, you see, Wayne, Danny,

540
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:09,519
and Tiffany are entertaining best ben Z. Ben, we appreciate

541
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,480
the long email. I think that's probably one of the

542
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,359
longest emails we've ever gotten, but I thought it was important.

543
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,799
So let me start a couple of places here Wayne,

544
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,000
before I get your take on this. First and foremost,

545
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,079
if you guys aren't familiar with it, he's talking about

546
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,559
the Bigfoot Weekly newsletter that I put out every week.

547
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,759
As we record this now at Sunday. I'm going to

548
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:29,759
write one today and put it out before I get

549
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:33,799
out of town on Monday for you guys. But I

550
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,519
did one. I guess this was last week's version. I

551
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,960
did Bernard Barber's nineteen sixty one paper. It's called Resistance

552
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,240
by Scientists to Scientific Discovery. It explores paradoxes, revealing that scientists,

553
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:49,920
despite their commitment to knowledge, often pushed back against new

554
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,200
ideas that challenge their prevailing theories. And clearly there he

555
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:57,400
is a scientist, he's a PhD. He's saying, look, that

556
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,279
was something that was happening back in the sixties, but

557
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,680
it's not necessarily happening today. I'm not sure how I

558
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,079
feel about that, Wayne, because I do feel there is

559
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:09,279
some resistance by science to take this subject seriously. But

560
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,559
it seems like he's talking more about, yeah, we need

561
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,000
to have more evidence. But I think there's a ton

562
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,079
of evidence out there that science could take a look at.

563
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:19,640
But it doesn't seem to me that a lot of

564
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,720
these scientists are really taking a serious look at Bigfoot

565
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:26,599
and the other thing that he addressed there really quickly.

566
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,160
We've talked about the NBA, We've talked about the project

567
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,640
that I was involved in. I can give you a

568
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,119
little bit of an update. It looks like at this

569
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:38,240
point at the ear list, I'm going to be able

570
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,720
to talk about my experiences. The beginning of April. I'm

571
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,759
going to do that at the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference

572
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:45,960
in Okala. I'm going to use some of my time

573
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,000
there to talk a little bit about that. We're actually

574
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,920
going to premiere some of the unseen footage from that documentary,

575
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,799
My Bigfoot Life. If you follow me on social media

576
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,160
and if you're in our Facebook group Bigfoot Encounters and

577
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,440
Field Research, I put it over there. They released the

578
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,039
official poster for My Bigfoot Life documentary. I'm stoked about that.

579
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,160
I'm glad to finally get some of that stuff done.

580
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,039
I talked to the guys yesterday and they said the

581
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:13,480
final edit may be done as soon as two weeks

582
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,640
on the film, so it's gonna be out there. I'll

583
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,079
be able to talk about that in Florida, and then

584
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:21,319
when I get back, you and I and Tiff can

585
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,359
sit down and we'll get do a live show and

586
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,839
I can share that for everybody on the podcast. So

587
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920
that is coming, folks. I appreciate your patience I have

588
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,559
really battled not being able to share those experiences because

589
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,440
I'm super excited about it. I've seen the rough cut

590
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,559
of the documentary and it is phenomenal. I think you

591
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,759
guys are really going to enjoy it. It's more than

592
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,720
just Bigfoot. It's about this kid's journey with autism, his

593
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:47,480
search for Bigfoot, and in that search for Bigfoot, like

594
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:50,240
most of us, I feel the same way and Wain

595
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:52,480
you may be able to second this emotion. In my

596
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,799
search for Bigfoot, I have also found a family, and

597
00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:58,960
that is one of the most powerful things and one

598
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,559
of the most important things. I think about Daniel's journey

599
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,759
in his bigfoot life is the family that he has

600
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,200
found outside of his search for these creatures. I can

601
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,079
second that emotion because I feel the same way.

602
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,519
Speaker 10: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

603
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,519
be right back after these messages.

604
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,359
Speaker 2: Let's get into this email. Wayne. What do you feel

605
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:24,279
about the scientific community when it comes to bigfoot in general.

606
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,559
Do you think there is some pushback from science or

607
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,599
do you think it's just as he alluded to, it's

608
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,480
not so much pushback on these new ideas, it's just

609
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,000
the evidence is not there. What's your opinion about science.

610
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: And Bigfoot Brian, I really can see both sides. First off,

611
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,960
I love getting emails like this from scientists, from PhDs,

612
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:51,799
from knowledgeable people. I love that he finds value in

613
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,920
what we do, so I really appreciate that.

614
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: I get what he's saying.

615
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 4: Though, I think that we as a community, bigfoot community,

616
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:03,519
we have a sour taste in our mouth when it

617
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:07,920
comes to sign because we're always saying they don't take

618
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,839
as serious. We're being laughed at, in my opinion, for

619
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,759
good damn reason. A lot of times were being laughed

620
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,160
at with the bullshit red circles that we talk about,

621
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,720
all the Paradoia people talking about seeing portals open up

622
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,559
in their backyard and bigfoots materializing and cloaking and all

623
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,279
this shit that gives us a bad name. So we

624
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,359
do it to ourselves and that aspect. But I can

625
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,359
see where this gentleman's coming from. Two, especially when he

626
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,079
talked about the funding, Brian, do you think if someone

627
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,720
out there with with deep pockets, unlimited pockets, and Elon

628
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,319
Musktop through as much money as you needed at you

629
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,480
and gave you the time, do you think that you

630
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:02,839
could go out there improve it? Because that's what it's

631
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,880
gonna take. I think it's gonna take someone with unlimited

632
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,400
resources and unlimited time, with the technology and everything that

633
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,799
we have, to go out there where we believe they

634
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,799
are do these studies. And I agree with him that

635
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,200
there are probably several scientists that would jump at the

636
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,319
opportunity to be a part of that. So I feel

637
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:29,359
like science gets a bad ripe from us because we

638
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,079
keep saying they won't take us serious, but we're the

639
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:36,319
ones giving them ammunition to not take us serious. But

640
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,160
my question, Brian, do you think it could be done

641
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:43,279
if that was the case, is someone throw millions of

642
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:48,000
dollars at a small group of researchers professional and like us,

643
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:53,960
amateur researchers. If we work together money and technology, equipment,

644
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,119
time was no issue, do you think we could get

645
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:56,599
it done?

646
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,119
Speaker 2: I am torn by that question because the first couple

647
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,359
of things that come to mind for me are the

648
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,680
North American Wood Ape Conservancy Area X and Shane and

649
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:10,000
Randy out at the four hundred. Those seem to be

650
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:14,960
places where there are constant interactions with these creatures that

651
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:19,519
are constantly being seen, and yet that I'm aware of

652
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,119
at least there isn't a ton of convincing photos and

653
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,280
or video evidence of said creatures in those two areas.

654
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,880
That's something that has always concerned me, because I talked

655
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,559
to those guys at Area X. I've had conversations with them.

656
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:41,360
They spent like fifty thousand dollars several years ago, we

657
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,400
probably at this point eight or ten years ago, to

658
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,239
put out a huge camera array in Area X to

659
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,480
capture these things on film, to get photos, to get

660
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,960
video of these creatures that they were constantly having to

661
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,320
throw rocks at them, having them running into the side

662
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,599
of the buildings, having them being seen by these people

663
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:07,320
that were out there and overwatch and these other places constantly.

664
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,679
Yet guess how many photos and videos were produced out

665
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:14,039
of that fifty thousand dollars worth of cameras. Zero pictures,

666
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,800
zero video, nothing to the point where they were trying

667
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,559
to do other shit. They wanted to buy other equipment

668
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,039
to try to do different things, so they started selling

669
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,679
off the cameras because they were basically like paper weights.

670
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,400
They were just useless. So that said, I don't know,

671
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,760
because I guess it's just it seems to me more

672
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,360
of a chance type encounter with these creatures I went

673
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,400
out and filmed a documentary and had experiences with these creatures.

674
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,159
I got to see them firsthand, totally unexpected. I did

675
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:48,519
not expect that to happen at all. I hoped it

676
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:50,840
would happen, but I wasn't sure it was going to happen.

677
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,280
Could I go and replicate that, I don't know. I'm

678
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,280
going back to that area again in September or October

679
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,639
this year with less Stroud were going out on expedition

680
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,920
out and that same area. Am I hoping to replicate

681
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,719
that i'bs a frickin lutely? But am I gonna come

682
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,119
back with a video or a photograph of a sasquatch?

683
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:13,039
Probably not. But I do think to your point, if somebody,

684
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:17,119
if an Elon Musk type with unlimited resources, that could

685
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,320
pour a couple of million dollars into this and fund

686
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,119
it for a couple of years, do I think you

687
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:24,960
could put together a team and go get it done.

688
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,079
I do. I think there's a way to do it,

689
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,960
but it's a hard road to ho man, because if

690
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,119
the North American wood a Conservacy, those guys have been

691
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,480
going out there at this point, I'd say fifteen years.

692
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,360
Let's give it a good round number. Fifteen years sounds good.

693
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:41,119
They've been going out there for fifteen years, it may

694
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:44,760
be more, may be less. Tons of people have had encounters,

695
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,360
they've had rocks thrown, they've seen these things, they've taken

696
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,039
shots at them. But there is not one photo or

697
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:55,559
convincing video clip that lasts for one second of any

698
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:56,400
of those things.

699
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,519
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

700
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: It's a difficult question, man. I would love to see

701
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,679
some to do that. Is there another Tom Slick out there?

702
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,880
Is there a modern day Tom Slick that would fund

703
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,360
these kind of things for people I don't know them.

704
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,039
If that's the case. I do know a couple of

705
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:12,000
people that are doing some things with camera setups, and

706
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:15,920
they have we'll call him an angel investor. I don't

707
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,000
think he has unlimited funds, but he's got a shit

708
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,599
ton of money and he's really into getting proof that

709
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,119
these things are real. So that is going on on

710
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:28,199
some level in certain areas. But it's very private. It's

711
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:32,360
a very private thing. It's a very individualized thing. It's

712
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,840
not pervasive in the community by any stretch of the imagination.

713
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:41,400
There's probably i'd say less than five people who go

714
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:44,239
out and claim to be a full time researcher that

715
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,480
spends boots on the ground, full time in the woods

716
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:51,039
looking for these creatures that exist in the world. I

717
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:52,960
may be even wrong there. They may be even less

718
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,679
than that that are actually doing this full time to

719
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,320
try to get proof that these things are real. If

720
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,199
we had one hundred people doing that, would we solve this?

721
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,280
I think we'd be a lot closer to answering those questions.

722
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,920
I don't know. It's definitely an interesting question. It's a

723
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,159
lot to think about. If anybody out there has Tom

724
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:11,440
Slick money or Elon Musk money and you would like

725
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,440
to fund that kind of research, reach out to us.

726
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,679
Send me an email Brian at Paranormalworldproductions dot com. I'd

727
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,559
love to talk to you, Wayne, and I would be

728
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,360
more than happy to take your money and go out

729
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,199
and look for Bigfoot.

730
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:23,039
Speaker 3: All right.

731
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 2: Next to email is a subject tear in My Tent feedback.

732
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,960
The message is hi Wes. I listened to the tear

733
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:35,519
in My Tent episode and specifically used headphones to hear

734
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,719
the seven minute recording in the rain. What struck me

735
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,880
is hearing the metallic bird sound. What birds sing at night?

736
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:47,360
What birds sing at night? During the rain. I don't

737
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,000
know the time when the birds started singing on the recording,

738
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,840
but watching another Bigfoot investigation, the team was in the

739
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,320
deep South, like in Louisiana and they described this metallic

740
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,079
bird song as well. I don't know if they there

741
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,920
is an app that could identify the bird, but those

742
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,639
bird sounds align with my theory that attributes that sound

743
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:10,599
to Bigfoot. Great recording and great shows. I listened to

744
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:14,119
several of your podcast weekly, Keep up the great job. Also,

745
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:16,840
I'm a huge fan of Fred Rohll. I'm happy he's back.

746
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,760
I don't know what the fuck it is with us

747
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,079
getting these emails that start with high Wes. They thought

748
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,519
you were Wes last week, and apparently I am Wes

749
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,719
this week, so that really irks me a little bit. Yeah,

750
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,360
there are no Wes's on this show or my show.

751
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960
So yeah, he's talking about that episode Terry and my

752
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,679
tent where this guy was. I want to get your

753
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,079
opinion on this way. And I talked to Tom. He

754
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:39,920
was a member of the BFRO. He's no longer with

755
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,320
the BFRO, but the first couple of experiences he had

756
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,119
was out on expedition with the BFRO where he feels

757
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:49,719
like he was what he calls zapped with infrasound. There

758
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,639
was a couple of times where he was paralyzed in

759
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,159
his tent and one time he had an audio recorder

760
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,360
going and obviously this is what he's talking about. I

761
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,360
played it on the show. It was about seven minutes

762
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,039
of audio where he claimed he couldn't move and he's

763
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,559
trying to call out to the people around him in

764
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,880
the other tens, but he couldn't and he feels like

765
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,840
it was some sort of a zapping or infrasound from Bigfoot.

766
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,880
In that episode, I talked about infrasound, how tigers you

767
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,639
use in for sound, how elephants use infrasound, and it

768
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,840
literally is something that goes into the ground. Elephants use

769
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,519
it for long distance communication with other members of their tribe.

770
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,880
Is it an elephant clan, But they use it for

771
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,559
long distance communication. But here's the question that I had,

772
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,320
and I incorporated that into this episode that I put out.

773
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,239
I think it was last week, maybe last Friday. Do

774
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,599
animals have the ability to focus infrasound? Because that's one

775
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:44,400
of those things when I've talked to people before, they've

776
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,840
said they've been in a group of people and one

777
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,119
person in the group will fall down to their knees.

778
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:51,000
I think you've talked to Lorie Wade about this. I

779
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,559
think Laurie and I have had conversations about her feeling

780
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,880
like she was quote zapped with infrasound, and it seems

781
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,800
to be very targeted because somebody can be standing one

782
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,360
on either side of her or these people, and they

783
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,920
don't experience any of the same things that these people

784
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,719
seem to experience. It is a very isolated thing. Tom

785
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,840
was like, Look, I realized that infrasound is something These

786
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,519
low frequency sounds spread out, so it's not something that

787
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,400
appears to be at least in known animals. They don't

788
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,199
seem to have the ability to direct it at a

789
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,400
specific spot, even though they're using it on prey animals.

790
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:34,199
When tigers and lions and other large predators use this,

791
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,079
it's a shotgun approach into this group of animals, and

792
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,320
whatever animal is affected by it, then they tune into

793
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,280
that animal, take that animal down, so on and so forth.

794
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,280
But people have had this hypothesis for years that sasquatch

795
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,320
can do it to people, and they may do it

796
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,320
to deer. We've had those talks about them possibly doing

797
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,480
it with deer and jumping out of trees and breaking

798
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,119
their necks or whatever when they're immobilized. I don't know

799
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:01,119
what do you feel about infrasound and being zapped in general,

800
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,519
and some of the stories that you've documented over the years.

801
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 4: First off, a group of elephants is called a herd.

802
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,039
I looked that up real quick, so I heard of elephants.

803
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,079
But yeah, man, when you're talking about that, my good

804
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,559
friend Miss Lorie Wade popped up because I've heard her

805
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:19,079
talk about this on the BFRO expedition that I went

806
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,519
on with her. Oh, I was gonna say last year,

807
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,559
but this point it might have been two years ago.

808
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:27,639
She claimed to have had another one of these incidents

809
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:29,760
and she was with people that saw it. There's been

810
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,360
a couple of times where she's passed out in the wood,

811
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,320
but she's with a group of people. I've heard this

812
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,519
from other people as well that have claimed to have

813
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,480
this happen to them. I'm not familiar with the episode

814
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,159
you talked about with a gentleman is in his tent

815
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,599
trying to call out, but that story seemed familiar. It

816
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,760
seems like I've heard that somewhere before. I've got the

817
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,880
same question as you. In most everyone, I think when

818
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,280
you think about infrasound, it's this thing that is admitted in.

819
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,119
Anyone in the area gets it. You don't specialize it

820
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,360
to one individual person. So how is that happening? How

821
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,800
is one person out of a group of five or

822
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,519
six getting sick or getting headaches or passing out or

823
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:16,880
falling over and the rest of them are completely fine.

824
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:21,880
Because I've always viewed infrasound as something that would affect

825
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,679
everything in the area, I don't get it if they

826
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,199
had this ability here, Again, in my opinion, we're not

827
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:33,559
talking about a biological creature here. We're talking about something supernatural,

828
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,199
something paranormal has these abilities. I just don't know if

829
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:39,119
I'm ready to go there.

830
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: And one of the things I incorporated in that was

831
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,000
that if that is the fact, no known Great apes

832
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,119
or any other monkeys, any type of primate that I'm

833
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:57,280
aware of, has the ability to create and use infrasound,

834
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,400
So it would be something that is unique to sasquatch

835
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:06,119
in the great ape and or primate wherever they fall

836
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,440
in that it would be something very unique. So we're

837
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,559
talking about something that's never been seen in human beings

838
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:17,000
and or in great apes or primates, and then we're

839
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,920
assigning it to something like Sasquatch, and people believe that

840
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,440
they have these abilities. I don't know, it's just a

841
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,280
bridge too far from me. Again, if anybody is an

842
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,519
expert in infrasound and has some theories on Bigfoot, whether

843
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:30,280
they use it or not, we'd love to hear from you, guys.

844
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,039
You can drop us an email or a voicemail. All right.

845
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:37,599
Next to email is subject drag Race meets Bigfoot. Ooh,

846
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,000
that sounds like the perfect title for this episode. The

847
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,199
message is listening to that Bigfoot podcast episode ninety three,

848
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,840
and I was shook to hear the reference to season

849
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,920
twelve of Rue Paul's Drag Race and the skit Choices

850
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:55,800
twenty twenty with Jeff Goldbloom when Jada Essence Hall says

851
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,519
look over there as a comment, and it was an

852
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,920
instant classic. As a gay guy, I would never admit

853
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,559
that I'm into Bigfoot when I'm talking to other queens,

854
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,159
and as a Bigfoot enthusiast, I would never admit being

855
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,920
a super fan of drag Race. So thank you for

856
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,599
colliding those two universes. Maybe now Bigfoot will appear as

857
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,480
a guest judge on Drag Race. Love the show and

858
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:21,440
thanks for the laugh, Paul. You're welcome, Paul. That's all

859
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,480
I can say. All right, changing love, I'm just out

860
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,480
here changing the world talking about RuPaul's drag Race and

861
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,119
talking about Bigfoot all at the same time. All I

862
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,159
can say is you are welcome.

863
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 10: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

864
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,519
be right back after these messages.

865
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: All right, a couple more quick emails here, and then

866
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,880
we're going to get into fifty minutes or so into

867
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,360
this pre edit. We're going to get into what we're

868
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,719
going to talk about. First off, Brian, right for yourself

869
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,199
and the sales will come. As an indie writer, you

870
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,679
need to do it yourself and you need to love it.

871
00:45:57,039 --> 00:45:59,320
People will catch on to what you're doing. Keep at it.

872
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,239
You are a great rate author. Secondly, the listener Frank

873
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:07,639
technically on February first, nineteen seventy six, Andre the Giant

874
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,519
was a Sasquatch or a Bigfoot when he played the

875
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,880
role on The six Million Dollar Man. So fuck off, Frank,

876
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:18,519
Brian and Wayne know their shit. That episode was for entertainment.

877
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,280
Grow the fuck up. Thirdly, a potential disclaimer for the show. Folks,

878
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,760
don't be stupid. We don't believe everything our guests say,

879
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,559
so neither should you use your brains. Fourth Lee, keep

880
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,760
up what you do, gents. That Bigfoot podcast is refreshing

881
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,400
and honest, totally different from most of the crap that's

882
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,679
out there. There is a saying I believe to be true.

883
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,559
I see this in my work environment all the time.

884
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:52,039
Self preservation through over complication. People over complicate things to

885
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:56,159
remain important to an organization. This sounds like Todd Gatewood

886
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,920
is over complicating the PG film just to remain relevant

887
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:04,400
in the community. Ooh, give it up, dude, Stick to

888
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,000
the truth. So tired of people that lie to feel important.

889
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,159
Grow the fuck up. Besides, his photo makes him look

890
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,320
like a shyster. Never trust a shyster. Good words to

891
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,239
live by, and that comes from our buddy Mike. I

892
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,760
can't say that I disagree with anything Mike has to

893
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,039
say there. Yes, he's talking about see Wayne Wilson referring

894
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:29,079
to Andre the Giant being a Sasquatch. He did, in

895
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,800
fact play one back in nineteen seventy six. As Mike said,

896
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,559
and as far as Gatewood is concerned. I do completely

897
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,840
agree with what Mike had to say. I think he

898
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,800
is trying to overcomplicate things to make himself look more important.

899
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,559
He wants to be the smartest guy in the room

900
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,760
so he can explain everything he's doing with the PG

901
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,280
film to the rest of us. How do you feel

902
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:48,639
about that?

903
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 4: My friend to agree with him? I agree with everything

904
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:57,159
he said. Yeah, Mike's awesome. Thank you, buddy, spank you Mike.

905
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:01,199
Speaker 2: All right, we're now fifty six minutes in before the

906
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,400
pre edits, let's talk about this Independence Day footage before

907
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,760
we get out of here. Wayne, you sent this to

908
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,880
me yesterday in a text message. It is thinker Thunker

909
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,400
over on the thinker Thunker YouTube channel with one hundred

910
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,320
and twenty one thousand subscribers, and seventy nine thousand of

911
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,880
them have watched this over the last day. Thinker Thunker

912
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:26,280
does his thinker thunkery math stuff on this video, and

913
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,880
he shows that he believes, at least based on what

914
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,159
he's doing in this video. I'll link to it over

915
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:34,320
on the blog. You guys, head over to Pandema Worldproductions

916
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,800
dot com. Check out to that Bigfoot Podcast blog at

917
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,119
the top of the page. And you can see what we're

918
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:40,880
talking about here. How did you feel about what thinker

919
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,400
Thunker was doing in the Independence Day? How did you

920
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,239
feel about that video before Thinker Thunker's breakdown? How do

921
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,159
you feel about it after?

922
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 4: Are you aware at all of any backstory to this video, Brian?

923
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,119
Because unless I'm mistaken, which happens a lot, But if

924
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:01,519
I'm not mistaken, there's no back story. No one knows

925
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,519
who shot it and where it was shot. I can't

926
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:08,639
confirm that, obviously, but do you know anything about it?

927
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: As far as I am concerned, I don't know any

928
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,079
backstory where it came from, who shot it, and that

929
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:17,039
is a huge red flag. I actually, when I was

930
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,880
doing the research for this morning, there's actually over on

931
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,119
Hanger one. It's one of the things that Doug has

932
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:24,320
always found very compelling. So they write about it a

933
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,960
little bit over on the Hangar one publishing website and

934
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,159
it just says that this came out in two thousand

935
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:35,400
and ten. That's it. There is no background available. Skeptics

936
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,400
have always cried hoax, but again it's hard to say

937
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,400
because it looks compelling. It is a very compelling piece

938
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,079
of footage. But boy, I tell you without the backstory.

939
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,960
Nobody's coming forward to claim it. Nobody's come forward to

940
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,920
tell the story. It's a little bit sus to me.

941
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,079
And I'll be honest, I told you about it this

942
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:59,199
morning before we hopped on here. I don't dislike Thinker Thunker.

943
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,440
I think he he has a place in this world,

944
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:05,400
this bigfoot world. But I'm not convinced that everything Thinker

945
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,320
Thunker does is exactly and entirely accurate. He makes everything

946
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look great and sounds great when he's pulling this skeleton

947
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:16,400
around and switching this around and saying, Okay, look here,

948
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,400
this arm is way too long to be a human.

949
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,760
This is way too long for this leg to be here,

950
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and if it was a human, the leg would be

951
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,440
back here. It all sounds great, but I leave those

952
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:29,280
videos after eight minutes plus of him explaining it going.

953
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,480
I'm not sure if he just really Oki doke to

954
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:35,800
me there, or if he was really showing me something

955
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,000
that's real. So how do you feel about, specifically this

956
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,760
breakdown of the Independence Day footage, but just in general,

957
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,239
what Thinker Thunker's doing over there.

958
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,599
Speaker 4: I think it's a thing where, if anything like me,

959
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,519
you come away from his video of thinking, it can't

960
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:54,039
be that easy. It can't be that simple. Why does

961
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:57,199
everyone not think of this? Why did I not think

962
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,239
to do this? That's the feeling that I've all he's

963
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,119
gotten from him. I don't know why so many people

964
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:08,159
dislike him. Is it an ego thing? Is that everyone

965
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,480
out there wants to be the smartest person in the room.

966
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,880
Certain people that will go unmentioned that find a flaw

967
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,199
in everything that is Bigfoot related. I don't know what

968
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,960
people have, what their problem is with him. He dumbs

969
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,880
things down. But like you said, is it dumbed down

970
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,079
because it's inaccurate? The way he puts stuff together makes

971
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,920
you think, why didn't I think of this? But like

972
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,920
you and I were talking before, the image that he

973
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:38,079
used to break this down, that's not the most clear

974
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,800
image in the world. How does he know where the

975
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,559
hip joint is in that picture? You can't really tell.

976
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,599
How does he know where the shen starts and stops

977
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,639
from that picture?

978
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: You can't really tell? And is it all just an estimation?

979
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 4: But to his point, even if he's off a little bit,

980
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,519
he's not off that much because he breaks it down

981
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:06,159
and shows where it should be and everything. But to

982
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:10,400
get back to the actual film itself, and they're not

983
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,480
being any kind of backstory. You got to question how

984
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:20,280
this person found themselves in this position that they're standing

985
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,400
in front of this huge boulder with their camera and

986
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,199
there's a bigfoot broad daylight, stands up, bends down, picks

987
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,280
up a baby, and then casually just walks away. That's

988
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,440
a million dollar shot right there. How did this person

989
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,000
find themselves in that position? Is that a case of

990
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,880
not wanting to be ridiculed? Is the reason you didn't

991
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,079
come forward? Was the film just dropped off at the

992
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:47,199
post office or at.

993
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 3: The news station.

994
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: I mean, in today's world, there has to be a

995
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,440
back There has to be a paper trail. If it

996
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,199
was uploaded somewhere, we should know where it come from.

997
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,719
I would think, I just don't know what to make

998
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,280
of that. I've never known what to make of the

999
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,719
whole independent day footage. I've heard people say that it's real,

1000
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,639
heard people say no, it's one hundred percent of hoax,

1001
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,559
but they haven't proved that it's one hundred percent of hoax.

1002
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,760
And like you said before we came on, it's one

1003
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,320
of two things. It is a sasquatch with a baby.

1004
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,079
Sasquatch or it's a person in a sasquatch suit holding

1005
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:27,559
a baby in a Sasquat suit.

1006
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,559
Speaker 3: That's all it can be.

1007
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely no in between there. It's either a

1008
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,960
Sasquatch with a baby sasquatch or it is a hoax,

1009
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,079
hands down. But yeah, the backstory is huge. It means

1010
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,880
the world when you're looking at things like this to

1011
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,159
have a person to ask questions of when you don't

1012
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,679
have that. It's not that far away. It's probably what

1013
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,280
thirty feet maybe twenty five thirty feet away from the

1014
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,159
camera just an estimation. Even at fifty feet away from

1015
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:58,039
the camera, How did you get there? How did you

1016
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,360
have the presence of mind to have a camera going

1017
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,159
when this thing walked out? And why have you not

1018
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,159
come forward with the story? If anybody has more information,

1019
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,360
if you know where we can find this person or

1020
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,239
where this originated, where it was originally uploaded and by whom,

1021
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,800
we'd love to know, send us an email Brian Anderwayne

1022
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,760
at Paranormara Productions dot com or leave us a voicemail.

1023
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,280
We'd love to hear your thoughts on it and what

1024
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,039
you have to say about them. Independence Day, Bigfoot footage.

1025
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,159
But just going back to thinker Thucker, I don't think

1026
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:28,159
what he did in eight minutes in the video convinced

1027
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,119
me beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is

1028
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:32,559
no way possible, and that he makes it very clear.

1029
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:36,599
He says, definitively, there is no way this is a

1030
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:41,320
person in a bigfoot suit. He calls them forest giants.

1031
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,760
He said, this is a forest giant. I'm just not

1032
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:50,400
convinced that what he's done with these quick measurements again

1033
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,840
guestimating where things start and end, is enough for me

1034
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:59,000
to say definitively without any hesitation, that this is a sasquatch.

1035
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:01,440
And I think that's why I have and have always

1036
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,960
had a problem frankly, with a lot of the things

1037
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,000
that thinker Thunker puts out. He does it in his

1038
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,280
thinker thunkery way that makes it sound great and look great,

1039
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,679
but I'm not sure it's entirely accurate. Again, we'd love

1040
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,039
to hear what you guys think about it. We'll definitely

1041
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:18,039
revisit this at some point in time in the future.

1042
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:21,159
But as always, Wayne, you get the last word on

1043
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:21,480
the show.

1044
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,639
Speaker 4: My friend, guys, really please with the amount of emails

1045
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,480
and voicemails that you've been sending us so awesome. We

1046
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:32,159
appreciate that. Please keep them coming. We love hearing from

1047
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,960
you guys. The ratings and the reviews or they continue

1048
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:37,920
to come in, so we are grateful for that as well.

1049
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,320
Please continue to do that and that. Share of the

1050
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,400
show if you like it, If you like this and

1051
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:48,679
find just entertaining for whatever reason, tell our friends, tell family,

1052
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,639
help us to keep this thing hitting in the right direction.

1053
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:55,360
We certainly appreciate it. We love y'all, We thank you.

1054
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,000
Until we talk to y'all again. Y'all take care of yourselves,

1055
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:00,000
take care of each other.