Speaker 1: Welcome to That Bigfoot Podcast, where we believe in free speech,
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Speaker 2: Wayne, what's going on, man, ran.
Speaker 3: Beautiful mother Procher, how are you there today?
Speaker 2: I am hanging in like a hare and a biscuit.
It's a beautiful sunday here as we record this new
episode of That Bigfoot Podcast. It is actually gorgeous outside
here in North Carolina. It is colder than a witch's
titty and a brass broad doing push ups in the
snow over the last week or so, so I am
glad to have a little bit of sunshine and it
not being so cold. How about you? What's going on
up in Tennessee?
Speaker 4: My friend, it's odd you said that, because that's something
I noticed right before we came on. Just how freaking
pretty it is outside today in Tennessee, and it's a
little bit warmer. It's been cold as hell, as you
did your little witch description thing to allude to the weather.
But yeah, man, it's beautiful out there today. Yeah, happy
to be here. Looking forward to getting into another discussion
with you.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're going to talk about the Independence Day footage.
Old Thinker Thunker put out a video yesterday as we
record this, and people have been posting about it. You
sent it to me and I actually watched it this morning.
So once we get through the voicemails and the emails,
we're going to get into that today because I find
it very compelling and I want to get your guys
opinion on it. You listeners out there that have seen
this has been around since twenty ten. It's not like
it's new. But Thinker Thuncker did his Thinker thunkerree science
on it, and we're going to get into that later on.
As we record this, I'm leaving tomorrow morning to head
out to the beach. I'm going out to an undisclosed
bunker near the beach here in North Carolina to do
my sit down, face to face interview with Ron Moorehead.
So I'm excited about that. I've been compiling some questions
that people have sent in via email and on social
media's for me to ask Ron tomorrow. I sent him
a text right before we hopped on here just to
make sure we were good to go, and he's good
to go. I'm going to drive up there tomorrow, spend
the night at the beach house, and I'm going to
head over to his house in the morning, and we're
going to spend about three hours together talking about the
Sierra Sounds. We've got to get your question. You mentioned
it during the last episode, and I don't think you
and I talked about that. If we did, I forgot
about it. So you're gonna have to remind me what
your question is so I can get it in with Ron.
I'm looking forward to it and see what things come
out of this interview. I am glad to be getting
deeper into the Sierra Sounds, man, I'm really excited about it.
But enough of that shit. We have some other stuff
to get into. We have not done a bunch of
voicemails and emails in a while. I think I should
start with the voicemails. Well, Hi, Brian and Wayne.
Speaker 5: This is Brian from Asheville, Brian king Sharp's official chauffeur
in Florida. Just want to leave a quick voicemail and say, Brian,
I just want to congratulate you on your success. I've
been following you from the get go and have really
enjoyed saying your growth as a podcaster. Congratulations on all
your success. Also, I got your book, can't wait to
read it. Lastly, Fred from Alaska, I can't.
Speaker 2: Get enough of that guy.
Speaker 5: He is intense and some of the stories that he
pells from Alaska are compelling. There's some crazy shit that
goes on there. I can't get enough of him. If
people don't like Fred, don't listen to it. Listen to
a podcast is by choice. If they don't want to
hear him speak, then just delete that episode and move
on those of us that really do enjoy it. But overall, well,
you guys are doing a great job. You and White
have great chemistry. Looking forward to future shows and I'm
looking forward to seeing you Brian at the Florida Bigfoot Conference.
Speaker 2: Take care. Thanks for the voicemail, Brian. Brian was actually
my official show foreur when I landed in Florida last year.
He was down in Okaala for the conference. He picked
me up at the airport, took me to the VIP
dinner and hung out all weekend. He is a super guy.
He's right here in North Carolina, not too far from me,
a couple of hours here. And I've known Brian for years.
He's been following me, like you said, since I started
the show. I met him for the first time at
the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference I think four years ago.
Great guy. We appreciate the voicemail. That's actually his first
ever voicemail. I've been on his ass forever. He sends emails,
but he never sends voicemails, and I'm like, dude, you
got to leave a voicemail and be a part of
the show. So he finally sent me a text message
the other day and said, Hey, I left you guys
a voicemail. It was actually ready for the last episode
that we did, but we got into other things and
we didn't get to play it. We appreciate it very much, Brian. Okay,
here goes the next one. I think you'll find this
one very interesting.
Speaker 6: Hi, guys, it's a Bryan from Victory. You're giving you
a callback. I just listened to the episode with a
big Foot and I just discovered this podcast last night.
I listened to the show last night. I'm surprised that
the reaction you got from it. If you've got a
couple of important things wronger, I wasn't sixteen when that
encounter happened. I was thirty one when it happened. And
it wasn't just a camping trip that we went on.
It was a government sponsored when we had three government
workers with us. Yeah, I'd really like to talk to
you guys again.
Speaker 7: I'm much more comfortable now that I have actually got
it out. The number one reason is my mom passed
away and I did not want to embarrass her in anyway.
Number two, every podcast that I listened to on Peak
foot they all say if you've seen something, call in.
There wasn't more reasons. But I would like to talk
to you guys. You're quite welcome to call me. I'm
not on the internet or anything like that. You can
call me. Because I really didn't get into every everything
that I wanted to on that podcast because I was
so nervous. This time, i'd be more relaxed. I don't know,
if you want to do a show, you don't have to.
What I would like to do is just talk to
you guys, just straighten out some misconceptions that happened during
it on the train, I was probably thirteen years old,
but I was thirty one when my main encounter happens.
But anyways, i'd really like to hear from you, guys.
I'm sorry that you got the response you did. I
can't understand why people just focus on the sex instead
of sleep. I know their names for crying out loud.
Not only do I know their names, I would have
an up close and close encounter with them. I can't
understand why everybody's just focused on the sex. Quarterback, There's
some more reasons why I would like to talk to you.
Please get a hold of me.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: The actual Sex with Sasquatch day.
Speaker 2: That is Ryan from Canada, the Sex with the Sasquatch guy.
He actually sent a follow up email in addition to
the voicemail. I obviously took his phone number out. He
left his number in the voicemail. I am going to
reach out to him and I feel a live that
Bigfoot podcast coming up with me. You Tiff and Ryan
from Canada talking about sex with a sasquatch. Don't you
feel that? Do you feel that in your bones.
Speaker 4: You took those words directly from my mouth. I was
thinking that the whole time. Please let's get Ryan on
for a follow up. I just cannot understand why on
earth anyone would be focused on the bone and a
sasquatch part of it. Yeah, I mean, you're focusing on
the wrong part.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 2: He knows their names, damn it.
Speaker 3: They had the one was screaming his name.
Speaker 2: That's right. I have a memory that's like a gnat,
so I have a very difficult time remembering everything that
happens during these episodes. But i'd have to go back
and listen. I don't know how I got that fact wrong.
I thought he gave it the age that he was
when this happened. Maybe I'm incorrect there. I will take
responsibility if I got that wrong. He was actually thirty
one years old when he had this encounter with this
female sasquatch, not sixteen years old. He claims that there
were government people involved in that, so we'll have to
get back into that. There's a ton of questions that
people had about that episode. I think it is only
fair that we do alive with Ryan if he's willing
to do that. You guys can be a part of
that in an upcoming episode. I will definitely reach out
to him asap and see if we can get that
on the calendar. Wayne, this is going to be tough
to follow, but we've got another voicemail here.
Speaker 8: Hey Brian, this is Alan from Cadillact, Michigan. Hope Paul
is going well for you and yours And I just
got them to listen to the Wayne Wilson episode. Holy shit,
was that funny? With no real warning going into it.
I'm just like, are you fucking hitting me? I can't
believe that this guy is on And as it went
on as oh my god. I lived in Nashville for
about nine years right around with a bunch of different
guys at the guitar shop that I worked at. I
had a couple of boys from Bama to Wayne would
know this guy or not know the guy necessarily, but
where we affectionately called him the Robertson County Redneck because
things are just a little bit different up in Robertson County.
But they talk like that, and they would do these
freaking stories that work. They would even if you're watching
them tell the story, you.
Speaker 2: Swear to god, they believe it.
Speaker 8: It was so hilarious and it just went on and
it just feel. One of them had said to me
at one point he talked about you if I'd ever
seen any sasquatch up here in Michigan, And I said
I had as a child as a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: That he goes off on this thing and he.
Speaker 8: Slips into some surb of the Native American an accent
and stuff. If he went into this long diatribe about
what to do when you see the sad squatch, and
he paused. He goes, you know why no one has
seen sasquatch because sasquatch is waiting for a specific fake
from somebody whoever sees him. And he goes, so far
no one has done. He goes, I know the secret,
he goes, and all you got to do? You see
the sasquatch. An elder told.
Speaker 5: You this, Show them a weeder, and like, show him
your wieder.
Speaker 2: He goes, yes, you show him your wider.
Speaker 8: The sasquatch is gonna buckle down a little bit, put
his hands on his knees and just start laughing. It's
gonna look at you and go you got me, bastard.
I've been playing hide and seek that this is a secret.
Now that I've seen your wiener, We're good, man, We're good.
And then the story went on from there. But apparently
I don't know shit, maybe there is some truth to that.
But thanks to Gifford doing what you're doing. Yeah, that
was freaking hilarious. I needed that today. So thanks to
Gaffer doing what you do. Brother, take care of yourself
all right, bye?
Speaker 2: Wayne. I wished I had heard this voicemail from Alan
before I saw Sasquatch, because I could have showed Sasquatch
my wiener.
Speaker 3: He would have hung around longer.
Speaker 2: Who knows what might have happened. I might have entered
into some sort of a special club. Like Ryan, we're
going to get into that. You and I really haven't
talked about this, but what was your opinion on the
See Wayne Wilson episode Sasquatch How to see that I
put out a couple of weeks ago. What was your
opinion on all of that?
Speaker 4: We talked about it a little bit. I guess we
hadn't gone into great detail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
Speaker 4: He came out of the gate swinging hard, like swinging
for the fences, talking about Andre the Giant being a
big Foot. I agree with the listener the voiceman we
just played. I believe with all my heart that see
Wayne Wilson one hundred percent believes what he says. I
don't see any malicious intent here. I don't see him
sitting around coming up with hoaxes and lies and stuff.
I think he really thinks that he sees these things
and his mind just takes off whatever that is. I
don't want to say mental illness. I don't know something
happens in his mind that leads him to believe that
all this stuff really is happening.
Speaker 3: What do you do with that? Because he's not lying.
If he believes it, it's not a lot.
Speaker 2: That is very true. And he doesn't have a ton
of time in his life to be making up stories
about Bigfoot because he's running his only fans. That's a
ton of time. Time Taking all of those photographs that
he posts on Instagram and Facebook and his only fans
takes up a lot of times, So he doesn't have
a whole lot of time to be making up stories
about Bigfoot. All right, I think it's a perfect time
to move on to another voicemail here. This is going
to be the last voicemail of the day, but certainly
not the least.
Speaker 9: Hey fella Joel and Wyoming enduring the zero and suck
zero STEMP. Since I'm out there working in the oil
field at night.
Speaker 1: Hey, I wanted to touch base.
Speaker 9: I try not to wear out my welcome to that.
I believe I had a voicemail at the same time
that you talked about this height and it was the
two guys didn't work in or Washington now on Christmas
went out and then they found them at seat. Just
remind you, I know, I told you guys in private conversation.
Last paramedic for almost twenty five years, and I worked
out here in Wyoming and we had Sam go for
practice and we did quite a bit of stuff. We
worked in the er and then answered calls from there.
But I wanted to talk about this, Kate. Now I
don't know anything about it, and the Sheriff's Department, last
I knew, just listened to this as a issue of
environmental I did several long cees education module thought Michael
Hermsha and we talked to this and so the point
being is advocated werewool. We got the solipropylene long John's
that went away moisture.
Speaker 3: If you get we have fire, start.
Speaker 9: Handy pack or a backpack, and don't hesitate to sit
down and warm up, because I can tell you a
lot of stories of very tragic stories of people that
when the investigation was done and looked over, you could
tell where these folks might have even been hallucinating. And
we're peeling off clothes. And I'm wanting, in particular, if
I could get it done in the time. Pull your
guy fishing in the springtime up in the bigcarns here
in Wyoming over by Sheridan and Buffalo, Wyoming, and he
must have got wet and to create.
Speaker 2: And yet unfortunately his voicemail dropped out. He was having
some issues with the voicemail apparently because there was a
dead spot of about two minutes in the middle of
his voicemail, and obviously his story just trailed off and
stopped there. So Joel, make sure you get back with us,
do another voicemail and finish out that story. Wayne. I
was looking this morning and trying to find if there
was any more information on those two big footers out
in the Pacific Northwest that passed away over the Christmas holiday,
and I can't see any updates. Everything seems to be
from a month or so back. Have you seen any
updates about this case or have they added anything else
to it? Or is it pretty much a case closed
in everybody's mind.
Speaker 10: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We
will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like you, it was just a few days ago.
I thought about it again and got back on to
try to find some more information because back when we
first found out about it, they weren't releasing the names
or anything.
Speaker 3: At that point.
Speaker 4: I tried to look again, and like you, that mean
there's nothing new about it. I was at least hoping
to get a little more detail on how they passed.
I know they were pretty vague and it was the
elements and stuff, but that could be several things. But
like Joel said, probably hypothermia you would think played a
role in it. But man, we got to be safe
out there, guys. This is something that we all love doing.
The people that listen to this show, the majority of them,
we enjoy getting out and looking for them. And it's
supposed to be fun getting out there, get exercise, fresh air,
one with nature and look for the big guy.
Speaker 3: But we got to use our heads.
Speaker 4: We have to stay safe first and foremost guys, please
stay safe out there. Let people know where you're going
to be and when to expect you back. Yeah, y'all
know all the basic stuff. But yeah, I can't find
any more information on it either.
Speaker 2: If anybody has any other information on these guys and
maybe causes of death and those kind of things, let
us know. You can send us an email or leave
us a voicemail. Speaking of emails, I want to get
into this. I've had this for a while, but we
haven't read it. On the last probably three episodes that
it's been around. Russ posted some stuff over in the
Bigfoot Encounters and Field Research group on Facebook. This is
something that he brought up. It's pretty short, but I
want to address this because it's something that's come up
a couple of times and Russ made a point to
post about it. Let me read this email right quickly
and we can have a brief conversation about this. One
thing that bothers me and maybe others and possibly why
they are lashing out at you, is that forty acres
is not that big of an area. You keep saying
that you live on forty acres, but you can walk
any forty acre plot in its entirety in less than
a day. That being said, you should start telling listeners
that you're forty eight is surrounded by thousands of acres
that are heavily wooded as well, and Bigfoot is probably
just passing through the forty U own just a thought.
I may post something about that in the group, but
I don't think it's really that big of a deal.
Hope all is going well. Have a wonderful Friday and weekend.
And I don't think we've covered this, have we I
haven't heard it? Okay, Yeah, so let me talk about that.
Russ is talking specifically about the forty acres that we
live on here in North Carolina, and it is surrounded
by hundreds and hundreds of acres of nothing but wooded land.
I think I've laid this to rest. It's been probably
a month ago at this point, I put my drone
up and did some three sixties around the property. It's
over on Instagram if you follow me on Instagram at
Bigfoot BCS, or on TikTok at Bigfoot BCS, or in
the Facebook group Bigfoot Encounters and Field Research on Facebook.
I've posted these videos. It's pretty self explanatories. Yeah, forty
acres is not a huge waft of land, but there's
still places on my forty acres that I haven't hiked yet.
Because when you add in the terrain, you add in
the thickness of the woods, you add in the elevation
changes on the property, it's not as simple as I
don't know that I could cover all forty acres here
in the day. Honestly, probably could, but it would be
difficult to do so. Yeah, to Russ's point, I guess
I could start making that point a little bit more clearly.
It is what it is. Forty acres is not that huge,
but when it's surrounded by hundreds and hundreds of other acres,
I think it is possible that Sasquatch is passing through
this area. And that's why we've heard the vocalization. That's
why we've had some of the weird things that we've had,
the footprints and other things on the property. Who knows,
they may be bedded down on the property right now,
for all I know. You haven't been here and seen it, Wayne,
but you've seen enough to know what the lay of
the land looks like here Is it that important, because
I know you've talked to people. I've certainly talked to
people that live in places like subdivisions literally subdivisions in
a cul de sac that butts up to woods that
claim to have seen and or had some kind of
sasquatch activity. I think we've talked about it plenty of
times before, about these edges that we create when we
cut into the areas where these things are. I don't
think it's that out of the norm for people to say, yeah,
it's possible if you only have forty acres, but if
it's in a very wooded area and it's surrounded by
more land like that that's uninhabited, Is it that big
of a stretch to think that there could be some
bigfoot activity there.
Speaker 3: Oh No, I don't think so at all.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good point that Russ makes because
when you hear someone say forty acres, I would love
to own forty acres of wooded property. But when you
think the forty acres, it's a big pot of land,
but it's not huge, So it probably is a good
thing to add in that your forty acres is surrounded
by thousands.
Speaker 3: Of other uninhabited of wooded land. It paints a bigger picture.
Speaker 4: But like you said, we've talked to people that live
in neighborhoods that butt up to forest land that claim
to have had these things walk into their backyard. Bigfoot
don't know that those forty acres are yours or your
neighbors where your property line starts and stops. Obviously, they're
just passing through unless they have a den on your property,
and you wouldn't know that. Obviously, they don't know where
it starts and stops, so they're just no passing through
my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Just to put into perspective, like, forty
acres is relatively the same size as thirty football fields.
So if you put thirty football fields together, we all
watch football, right, and forty acres is about thirty football
fields put together. That's a good visual comparison. Imagine a
football field, put thirty of those together and drop them.
I'm in the middle of the woods. That's what we're
sitting on, basically.
Speaker 3: On a land, dude.
Speaker 2: It is quite a bit, all right. I'm going to
move into the emails here. This one is lengthy, but
it's something I think is important. It comes from a scientist.
He's a PhD that sent this in. Dear Brian, I've
been a listener and reader of that Bigfoot podcast Sasquatch
Odyssey and Paranormal Odyssey as well, from exactly two weeks
before you released your first newsletter. I really enjoy Ur
and Wayne's critical, evidence based take on the Sasquatch Bigfoot topic.
As a result, I am rather excited to hear about
your recent experiences when the non disclosure document expires. And sorry,
this quick note turned into more of an essay, so
probably too long to read out, but feel free. Why
am I writing? I am a scientist. In fact, I'm
a biomedical scientist. Even I say this not to boast qualifications. Hell,
I couldn't rebuild an engine or dovetail a wood joint.
Everything is relative. But then again, mechanics and carpenters don't
often get given labels based on their expertise. What am
I talking about, skeptics. I had not read Bernard Barber's
paper until you mentioned it in your newsletter, but now
I have, and it was very interesting. I agreed with
some of it, disagreed with other parts, and what I'm
about to say is not specifically directed at you, Brian.
I respect you and Wayne as rational thinkers, but as
I'm an avid listener to the podcasts and reader of
the public Facebook threads, I hear the word skeptic thrown
about a lot regarding scientists. So, although I know where
you're coming from, last week's newsletter simply tipped the balance
for me. Barbara was writing about a scientific world that
no longer exists, a world of science consisting of relatively
few people compared to today, and dominated by big names
at old universities. Importantly, he was talking about a world
in which communicating ideas, even new paradigm changing ideas, to
the scientific community happened at a snail's pace. You had
to wait for a paper to be published and the
publishing journal to be posted by mail around the world.
Then you had to find that journal in a library,
read it, and then, based on whatever you read, decide
on its accuracy or relevance. If you wanted to see
that newly published data to be replicated or tested, and
to read comparative papers that took months years. Even science
was slow. Barber even quotes the physicist Helmholtz saying new
ideas need the more time for gaining general assent, the
more really original they are. So true, time, not skepticism,
has been the issue. Time for the evidence that strengthened
and backed up new ideas to be created, written, published,
then read, not as Barber suggests, and inherent skeptical suspicion
or incredulity that the idea itself was false, Not that
skepticism was or is absent, or that any one of
those big name scientists mentioned by Barber didn't ignore or
actively oppose new data because it might have challenged their
own authority, but no more than any person in any
other field of employment. And when that new data was
finally more widely read by the scientific community, it became accepted.
Think about those fascinating primate discoveries you write about in
the newsletter. They were all eventually accepted as real, the bonobos,
the orangutan, the mountain guerrillas, because it took time to
gather evidence, and science runs on the systematic building of
evidence over time. In your career as a peace officer,
I am sure that you didn't leap to conclusions, but
worked for or waited for evidence to be built. Just
the same. For science, time not a matter of skepticism
or resistance to discovery. Today, research data can be created
than published in weeks and is available immediately online. That
data can be studied and retested or refuted in the
same short time. Sometimes too, science journalists pick up a
story and run with it, particularly the potential paradigm shifting research.
New data doesn't need to be searched out. It's not hidden,
It's there in abundance for all to see. Science podcasters,
bloggers and instagrammers spread science news and debate daily to
the scientific world and beyond. The scientific world of Barber,
Helmot's Plank and Mendel just doesn't exist anymore, and new
ideas cannot be easily blocked or denied in the same
way they once might have been. What does this mean
for the study of a possible new great ape or
hominid species. Scientists are not, by nature skeptics. We are
certainly not resistant to discovery. Most of us cannot afford
to be. We are motivated by fascination of the world
or a desire to improve things or discover things. In fact,
discovering things is an absolute requirement for a PhD. But frankly,
most of us are just trying to pay our rent
or reduce our mortgage like everyone else. Lists from relevant disciplines,
open minded or skeptical, would jump at the chance to
study a world changing anthropological subject given two things. One
sufficient evidence that it's worth the effort, and exceptional claims
require exceptional evidence, and sasquatch is one hell of an
exceptional claim. A new wolf species in the PNW hair
and paw prints might be okay, A new owl species
in Michigan up a feather and a photograph could be enough,
but a new upright walking ape with intelligence close to
ours that would need something more. Frankly, I suspect that
a type specimen would be needed Exceptional, observable, unambiguous evidence
because scientists are skeptical of new discoveries. No, because scientists
are evidence based, no matter how open minded we are.
And two, in practical terms, it's money. It takes a
lot to fund research. We cannot pick up and run
off to do new research without funding running costs, equipment, salaries,
for assistance, heck even heating our labs. It must come
from somewhere. A small project in the biological lab could
cost tens of thousands of dollars. A larger one perhaps
with field research hundreds of thousands, but with sufficient evidence
and funding, you would have first one or two. Then
many scientists queuing up to pursue it because we can't
afford to waste research time and resources, not because we
are resistant to discovery. So why am I, as a
lifelong rational scientist following your blog or listening to the
Bigfoot stories? Do I believe? Honestly No, just like many others,
I have simply not seen sufficient evidence to accept such
an extraordinary claim. Then why I am open to discoveries,
however unlikely they do happen, and for Bigfoot, as the
Great Fox Molder once said, all the evidence to the
contrary is not entirely dissuasive. Plus, you see, Wayne, Danny,
and Tiffany are entertaining best ben Z. Ben, we appreciate
the long email. I think that's probably one of the
longest emails we've ever gotten, but I thought it was important.
So let me start a couple of places here Wayne,
before I get your take on this. First and foremost,
if you guys aren't familiar with it, he's talking about
the Bigfoot Weekly newsletter that I put out every week.
As we record this now at Sunday. I'm going to
write one today and put it out before I get
out of town on Monday for you guys. But I
did one. I guess this was last week's version. I
did Bernard Barber's nineteen sixty one paper. It's called Resistance
by Scientists to Scientific Discovery. It explores paradoxes, revealing that scientists,
despite their commitment to knowledge, often pushed back against new
ideas that challenge their prevailing theories. And clearly there he
is a scientist, he's a PhD. He's saying, look, that
was something that was happening back in the sixties, but
it's not necessarily happening today. I'm not sure how I
feel about that, Wayne, because I do feel there is
some resistance by science to take this subject seriously. But
it seems like he's talking more about, yeah, we need
to have more evidence. But I think there's a ton
of evidence out there that science could take a look at.
But it doesn't seem to me that a lot of
these scientists are really taking a serious look at Bigfoot
and the other thing that he addressed there really quickly.
We've talked about the NBA, We've talked about the project
that I was involved in. I can give you a
little bit of an update. It looks like at this
point at the ear list, I'm going to be able
to talk about my experiences. The beginning of April. I'm
going to do that at the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference
in Okala. I'm going to use some of my time
there to talk a little bit about that. We're actually
going to premiere some of the unseen footage from that documentary,
My Bigfoot Life. If you follow me on social media
and if you're in our Facebook group Bigfoot Encounters and
Field Research, I put it over there. They released the
official poster for My Bigfoot Life documentary. I'm stoked about that.
I'm glad to finally get some of that stuff done.
I talked to the guys yesterday and they said the
final edit may be done as soon as two weeks
on the film, so it's gonna be out there. I'll
be able to talk about that in Florida, and then
when I get back, you and I and Tiff can
sit down and we'll get do a live show and
I can share that for everybody on the podcast. So
that is coming, folks. I appreciate your patience I have
really battled not being able to share those experiences because
I'm super excited about it. I've seen the rough cut
of the documentary and it is phenomenal. I think you
guys are really going to enjoy it. It's more than
just Bigfoot. It's about this kid's journey with autism, his
search for Bigfoot, and in that search for Bigfoot, like
most of us, I feel the same way and Wain
you may be able to second this emotion. In my
search for Bigfoot, I have also found a family, and
that is one of the most powerful things and one
of the most important things. I think about Daniel's journey
in his bigfoot life is the family that he has
found outside of his search for these creatures. I can
second that emotion because I feel the same way.
Speaker 10: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Let's get into this email. Wayne. What do you feel
about the scientific community when it comes to bigfoot in general.
Do you think there is some pushback from science or
do you think it's just as he alluded to, it's
not so much pushback on these new ideas, it's just
the evidence is not there. What's your opinion about science.
Speaker 4: And Bigfoot Brian, I really can see both sides. First off,
I love getting emails like this from scientists, from PhDs,
from knowledgeable people. I love that he finds value in
what we do, so I really appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I get what he's saying.
Speaker 4: Though, I think that we as a community, bigfoot community,
we have a sour taste in our mouth when it
comes to sign because we're always saying they don't take
as serious. We're being laughed at, in my opinion, for
good damn reason. A lot of times were being laughed
at with the bullshit red circles that we talk about,
all the Paradoia people talking about seeing portals open up
in their backyard and bigfoots materializing and cloaking and all
this shit that gives us a bad name. So we
do it to ourselves and that aspect. But I can
see where this gentleman's coming from. Two, especially when he
talked about the funding, Brian, do you think if someone
out there with with deep pockets, unlimited pockets, and Elon
Musktop through as much money as you needed at you
and gave you the time, do you think that you
could go out there improve it? Because that's what it's
gonna take. I think it's gonna take someone with unlimited
resources and unlimited time, with the technology and everything that
we have, to go out there where we believe they
are do these studies. And I agree with him that
there are probably several scientists that would jump at the
opportunity to be a part of that. So I feel
like science gets a bad ripe from us because we
keep saying they won't take us serious, but we're the
ones giving them ammunition to not take us serious. But
my question, Brian, do you think it could be done
if that was the case, is someone throw millions of
dollars at a small group of researchers professional and like us,
amateur researchers. If we work together money and technology, equipment,
time was no issue, do you think we could get
it done?
Speaker 2: I am torn by that question because the first couple
of things that come to mind for me are the
North American Wood Ape Conservancy Area X and Shane and
Randy out at the four hundred. Those seem to be
places where there are constant interactions with these creatures that
are constantly being seen, and yet that I'm aware of
at least there isn't a ton of convincing photos and
or video evidence of said creatures in those two areas.
That's something that has always concerned me, because I talked
to those guys at Area X. I've had conversations with them.
They spent like fifty thousand dollars several years ago, we
probably at this point eight or ten years ago, to
put out a huge camera array in Area X to
capture these things on film, to get photos, to get
video of these creatures that they were constantly having to
throw rocks at them, having them running into the side
of the buildings, having them being seen by these people
that were out there and overwatch and these other places constantly.
Yet guess how many photos and videos were produced out
of that fifty thousand dollars worth of cameras. Zero pictures,
zero video, nothing to the point where they were trying
to do other shit. They wanted to buy other equipment
to try to do different things, so they started selling
off the cameras because they were basically like paper weights.
They were just useless. So that said, I don't know,
because I guess it's just it seems to me more
of a chance type encounter with these creatures I went
out and filmed a documentary and had experiences with these creatures.
I got to see them firsthand, totally unexpected. I did
not expect that to happen at all. I hoped it
would happen, but I wasn't sure it was going to happen.
Could I go and replicate that, I don't know. I'm
going back to that area again in September or October
this year with less Stroud were going out on expedition
out and that same area. Am I hoping to replicate
that i'bs a frickin lutely? But am I gonna come
back with a video or a photograph of a sasquatch?
Probably not. But I do think to your point, if somebody,
if an Elon Musk type with unlimited resources, that could
pour a couple of million dollars into this and fund
it for a couple of years, do I think you
could put together a team and go get it done.
I do. I think there's a way to do it,
but it's a hard road to ho man, because if
the North American wood a Conservacy, those guys have been
going out there at this point, I'd say fifteen years.
Let's give it a good round number. Fifteen years sounds good.
They've been going out there for fifteen years, it may
be more, may be less. Tons of people have had encounters,
they've had rocks thrown, they've seen these things, they've taken
shots at them. But there is not one photo or
convincing video clip that lasts for one second of any
of those things.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a difficult question, man. I would love to see
some to do that. Is there another Tom Slick out there?
Is there a modern day Tom Slick that would fund
these kind of things for people I don't know them.
If that's the case. I do know a couple of
people that are doing some things with camera setups, and
they have we'll call him an angel investor. I don't
think he has unlimited funds, but he's got a shit
ton of money and he's really into getting proof that
these things are real. So that is going on on
some level in certain areas. But it's very private. It's
a very private thing. It's a very individualized thing. It's
not pervasive in the community by any stretch of the imagination.
There's probably i'd say less than five people who go
out and claim to be a full time researcher that
spends boots on the ground, full time in the woods
looking for these creatures that exist in the world. I
may be even wrong there. They may be even less
than that that are actually doing this full time to
try to get proof that these things are real. If
we had one hundred people doing that, would we solve this?
I think we'd be a lot closer to answering those questions.
I don't know. It's definitely an interesting question. It's a
lot to think about. If anybody out there has Tom
Slick money or Elon Musk money and you would like
to fund that kind of research, reach out to us.
Send me an email Brian at Paranormalworldproductions dot com. I'd
love to talk to you, Wayne, and I would be
more than happy to take your money and go out
and look for Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Next to email is a subject tear in My Tent feedback.
The message is hi Wes. I listened to the tear
in My Tent episode and specifically used headphones to hear
the seven minute recording in the rain. What struck me
is hearing the metallic bird sound. What birds sing at night?
What birds sing at night? During the rain. I don't
know the time when the birds started singing on the recording,
but watching another Bigfoot investigation, the team was in the
deep South, like in Louisiana and they described this metallic
bird song as well. I don't know if they there
is an app that could identify the bird, but those
bird sounds align with my theory that attributes that sound
to Bigfoot. Great recording and great shows. I listened to
several of your podcast weekly, Keep up the great job. Also,
I'm a huge fan of Fred Rohll. I'm happy he's back.
I don't know what the fuck it is with us
getting these emails that start with high Wes. They thought
you were Wes last week, and apparently I am Wes
this week, so that really irks me a little bit. Yeah,
there are no Wes's on this show or my show.
So yeah, he's talking about that episode Terry and my
tent where this guy was. I want to get your
opinion on this way. And I talked to Tom. He
was a member of the BFRO. He's no longer with
the BFRO, but the first couple of experiences he had
was out on expedition with the BFRO where he feels
like he was what he calls zapped with infrasound. There
was a couple of times where he was paralyzed in
his tent and one time he had an audio recorder
going and obviously this is what he's talking about. I
played it on the show. It was about seven minutes
of audio where he claimed he couldn't move and he's
trying to call out to the people around him in
the other tens, but he couldn't and he feels like
it was some sort of a zapping or infrasound from Bigfoot.
In that episode, I talked about infrasound, how tigers you
use in for sound, how elephants use infrasound, and it
literally is something that goes into the ground. Elephants use
it for long distance communication with other members of their tribe.
Is it an elephant clan, But they use it for
long distance communication. But here's the question that I had,
and I incorporated that into this episode that I put out.
I think it was last week, maybe last Friday. Do
animals have the ability to focus infrasound? Because that's one
of those things when I've talked to people before, they've
said they've been in a group of people and one
person in the group will fall down to their knees.
I think you've talked to Lorie Wade about this. I
think Laurie and I have had conversations about her feeling
like she was quote zapped with infrasound, and it seems
to be very targeted because somebody can be standing one
on either side of her or these people, and they
don't experience any of the same things that these people
seem to experience. It is a very isolated thing. Tom
was like, Look, I realized that infrasound is something These
low frequency sounds spread out, so it's not something that
appears to be at least in known animals. They don't
seem to have the ability to direct it at a
specific spot, even though they're using it on prey animals.
When tigers and lions and other large predators use this,
it's a shotgun approach into this group of animals, and
whatever animal is affected by it, then they tune into
that animal, take that animal down, so on and so forth.
But people have had this hypothesis for years that sasquatch
can do it to people, and they may do it
to deer. We've had those talks about them possibly doing
it with deer and jumping out of trees and breaking
their necks or whatever when they're immobilized. I don't know
what do you feel about infrasound and being zapped in general,
and some of the stories that you've documented over the years.
Speaker 4: First off, a group of elephants is called a herd.
I looked that up real quick, so I heard of elephants.
But yeah, man, when you're talking about that, my good
friend Miss Lorie Wade popped up because I've heard her
talk about this on the BFRO expedition that I went
on with her. Oh, I was gonna say last year,
but this point it might have been two years ago.
She claimed to have had another one of these incidents
and she was with people that saw it. There's been
a couple of times where she's passed out in the wood,
but she's with a group of people. I've heard this
from other people as well that have claimed to have
this happen to them. I'm not familiar with the episode
you talked about with a gentleman is in his tent
trying to call out, but that story seemed familiar. It
seems like I've heard that somewhere before. I've got the
same question as you. In most everyone, I think when
you think about infrasound, it's this thing that is admitted in.
Anyone in the area gets it. You don't specialize it
to one individual person. So how is that happening? How
is one person out of a group of five or
six getting sick or getting headaches or passing out or
falling over and the rest of them are completely fine.
Because I've always viewed infrasound as something that would affect
everything in the area, I don't get it if they
had this ability here, Again, in my opinion, we're not
talking about a biological creature here. We're talking about something supernatural,
something paranormal has these abilities. I just don't know if
I'm ready to go there.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I incorporated in that was
that if that is the fact, no known Great apes
or any other monkeys, any type of primate that I'm
aware of, has the ability to create and use infrasound,
So it would be something that is unique to sasquatch
in the great ape and or primate wherever they fall
in that it would be something very unique. So we're
talking about something that's never been seen in human beings
and or in great apes or primates, and then we're
assigning it to something like Sasquatch, and people believe that
they have these abilities. I don't know, it's just a
bridge too far from me. Again, if anybody is an
expert in infrasound and has some theories on Bigfoot, whether
they use it or not, we'd love to hear from you, guys.
You can drop us an email or a voicemail. All right.
Next to email is subject drag Race meets Bigfoot. Ooh,
that sounds like the perfect title for this episode. The
message is listening to that Bigfoot podcast episode ninety three,
and I was shook to hear the reference to season
twelve of Rue Paul's Drag Race and the skit Choices
twenty twenty with Jeff Goldbloom when Jada Essence Hall says
look over there as a comment, and it was an
instant classic. As a gay guy, I would never admit
that I'm into Bigfoot when I'm talking to other queens,
and as a Bigfoot enthusiast, I would never admit being
a super fan of drag Race. So thank you for
colliding those two universes. Maybe now Bigfoot will appear as
a guest judge on Drag Race. Love the show and
thanks for the laugh, Paul. You're welcome, Paul. That's all
I can say. All right, changing love, I'm just out
here changing the world talking about RuPaul's drag Race and
talking about Bigfoot all at the same time. All I
can say is you are welcome.
Speaker 10: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: All right, a couple more quick emails here, and then
we're going to get into fifty minutes or so into
this pre edit. We're going to get into what we're
going to talk about. First off, Brian, right for yourself
and the sales will come. As an indie writer, you
need to do it yourself and you need to love it.
People will catch on to what you're doing. Keep at it.
You are a great rate author. Secondly, the listener Frank
technically on February first, nineteen seventy six, Andre the Giant
was a Sasquatch or a Bigfoot when he played the
role on The six Million Dollar Man. So fuck off, Frank,
Brian and Wayne know their shit. That episode was for entertainment.
Grow the fuck up. Thirdly, a potential disclaimer for the show. Folks,
don't be stupid. We don't believe everything our guests say,
so neither should you use your brains. Fourth Lee, keep
up what you do, gents. That Bigfoot podcast is refreshing
and honest, totally different from most of the crap that's
out there. There is a saying I believe to be true.
I see this in my work environment all the time.
Self preservation through over complication. People over complicate things to
remain important to an organization. This sounds like Todd Gatewood
is over complicating the PG film just to remain relevant
in the community. Ooh, give it up, dude, Stick to
the truth. So tired of people that lie to feel important.
Grow the fuck up. Besides, his photo makes him look
like a shyster. Never trust a shyster. Good words to
live by, and that comes from our buddy Mike. I
can't say that I disagree with anything Mike has to
say there. Yes, he's talking about see Wayne Wilson referring
to Andre the Giant being a Sasquatch. He did, in
fact play one back in nineteen seventy six. As Mike said,
and as far as Gatewood is concerned. I do completely
agree with what Mike had to say. I think he
is trying to overcomplicate things to make himself look more important.
He wants to be the smartest guy in the room
so he can explain everything he's doing with the PG
film to the rest of us. How do you feel
about that?
Speaker 4: My friend to agree with him? I agree with everything
he said. Yeah, Mike's awesome. Thank you, buddy, spank you Mike.
Speaker 2: All right, we're now fifty six minutes in before the
pre edits, let's talk about this Independence Day footage before
we get out of here. Wayne, you sent this to
me yesterday in a text message. It is thinker Thunker
over on the thinker Thunker YouTube channel with one hundred
and twenty one thousand subscribers, and seventy nine thousand of
them have watched this over the last day. Thinker Thunker
does his thinker thunkery math stuff on this video, and
he shows that he believes, at least based on what
he's doing in this video. I'll link to it over
on the blog. You guys, head over to Pandema Worldproductions
dot com. Check out to that Bigfoot Podcast blog at
the top of the page. And you can see what we're
talking about here. How did you feel about what thinker
Thunker was doing in the Independence Day? How did you
feel about that video before Thinker Thunker's breakdown? How do
you feel about it after?
Speaker 4: Are you aware at all of any backstory to this video, Brian?
Because unless I'm mistaken, which happens a lot, But if
I'm not mistaken, there's no back story. No one knows
who shot it and where it was shot. I can't
confirm that, obviously, but do you know anything about it?
Speaker 2: As far as I am concerned, I don't know any
backstory where it came from, who shot it, and that
is a huge red flag. I actually, when I was
doing the research for this morning, there's actually over on
Hanger one. It's one of the things that Doug has
always found very compelling. So they write about it a
little bit over on the Hangar one publishing website and
it just says that this came out in two thousand
and ten. That's it. There is no background available. Skeptics
have always cried hoax, but again it's hard to say
because it looks compelling. It is a very compelling piece
of footage. But boy, I tell you without the backstory.
Nobody's coming forward to claim it. Nobody's come forward to
tell the story. It's a little bit sus to me.
And I'll be honest, I told you about it this
morning before we hopped on here. I don't dislike Thinker Thunker.
I think he he has a place in this world,
this bigfoot world. But I'm not convinced that everything Thinker
Thunker does is exactly and entirely accurate. He makes everything
look great and sounds great when he's pulling this skeleton
around and switching this around and saying, Okay, look here,
this arm is way too long to be a human.
This is way too long for this leg to be here,
and if it was a human, the leg would be
back here. It all sounds great, but I leave those
videos after eight minutes plus of him explaining it going.
I'm not sure if he just really Oki doke to
me there, or if he was really showing me something
that's real. So how do you feel about, specifically this
breakdown of the Independence Day footage, but just in general,
what Thinker Thunker's doing over there.
Speaker 4: I think it's a thing where, if anything like me,
you come away from his video of thinking, it can't
be that easy. It can't be that simple. Why does
everyone not think of this? Why did I not think
to do this? That's the feeling that I've all he's
gotten from him. I don't know why so many people
dislike him. Is it an ego thing? Is that everyone
out there wants to be the smartest person in the room.
Certain people that will go unmentioned that find a flaw
in everything that is Bigfoot related. I don't know what
people have, what their problem is with him. He dumbs
things down. But like you said, is it dumbed down
because it's inaccurate? The way he puts stuff together makes
you think, why didn't I think of this? But like
you and I were talking before, the image that he
used to break this down, that's not the most clear
image in the world. How does he know where the
hip joint is in that picture? You can't really tell.
How does he know where the shen starts and stops
from that picture?
Speaker 3: You can't really tell? And is it all just an estimation?
Speaker 4: But to his point, even if he's off a little bit,
he's not off that much because he breaks it down
and shows where it should be and everything. But to
get back to the actual film itself, and they're not
being any kind of backstory. You got to question how
this person found themselves in this position that they're standing
in front of this huge boulder with their camera and
there's a bigfoot broad daylight, stands up, bends down, picks
up a baby, and then casually just walks away. That's
a million dollar shot right there. How did this person
find themselves in that position? Is that a case of
not wanting to be ridiculed? Is the reason you didn't
come forward? Was the film just dropped off at the
post office or at.
Speaker 3: The news station.
Speaker 4: I mean, in today's world, there has to be a
back There has to be a paper trail. If it
was uploaded somewhere, we should know where it come from.
I would think, I just don't know what to make
of that. I've never known what to make of the
whole independent day footage. I've heard people say that it's real,
heard people say no, it's one hundred percent of hoax,
but they haven't proved that it's one hundred percent of hoax.
And like you said before we came on, it's one
of two things. It is a sasquatch with a baby.
Sasquatch or it's a person in a sasquatch suit holding
a baby in a Sasquat suit.
Speaker 3: That's all it can be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely no in between there. It's either a
Sasquatch with a baby sasquatch or it is a hoax,
hands down. But yeah, the backstory is huge. It means
the world when you're looking at things like this to
have a person to ask questions of when you don't
have that. It's not that far away. It's probably what
thirty feet maybe twenty five thirty feet away from the
camera just an estimation. Even at fifty feet away from
the camera, How did you get there? How did you
have the presence of mind to have a camera going
when this thing walked out? And why have you not
come forward with the story? If anybody has more information,
if you know where we can find this person or
where this originated, where it was originally uploaded and by whom,
we'd love to know, send us an email Brian Anderwayne
at Paranormara Productions dot com or leave us a voicemail.
We'd love to hear your thoughts on it and what
you have to say about them. Independence Day, Bigfoot footage.
But just going back to thinker Thucker, I don't think
what he did in eight minutes in the video convinced
me beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is
no way possible, and that he makes it very clear.
He says, definitively, there is no way this is a
person in a bigfoot suit. He calls them forest giants.
He said, this is a forest giant. I'm just not
convinced that what he's done with these quick measurements again
guestimating where things start and end, is enough for me
to say definitively without any hesitation, that this is a sasquatch.
And I think that's why I have and have always
had a problem frankly, with a lot of the things
that thinker Thunker puts out. He does it in his
thinker thunkery way that makes it sound great and look great,
but I'm not sure it's entirely accurate. Again, we'd love
to hear what you guys think about it. We'll definitely
revisit this at some point in time in the future.
But as always, Wayne, you get the last word on
the show.
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