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Speaker 1: Welcome to that Bigfoot podcast, where we believe in free speech,

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open discussion, and having a laugh. If that offends you,

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well we're not sorry. We talk a lot and we

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stand by most of it, unless you're a snowflake, in

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which case just assume we didn't mean it. This podcast

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is a mix of truth, nonsense, and humor, so buckle

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up and don't take it too seriously. Listener discretion is

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strongly advised.

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Speaker 2: Waang, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Man? All right?

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Speaker 4: What's happening buddy? How you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I'm hanging me in like a hair in a biscuit,

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not a limp hair in a soggy biscuit.

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Speaker 2: So I'm doing better.

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Speaker 3: Than last time we met.

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Speaker 2: What about you, man, what's going on with you?

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Speaker 4: Are you a busier than no one arm paperhanger?

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Speaker 3: I have been because because there's a couple of things

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going on behind the scenes. I've talked about the new

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true crime podcast in the past that Danny and I

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are doing The Guilty Files. Were doing three episodes a

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week of that show. I need another podcast, like I

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need a hold in the head. But you know me,

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I'm always wanting to create more content and do more

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stuff and push myself to the absolute limits. I have

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been feverishly working. I don't even think I've even told

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you about this, so this is going to be new

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to you and everybody else. I'm actually working on a

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history podcast, something that you and I talked about doing

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a couple of years ago and never really pulled the

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trigger on because we got busy with Bigfoot and all

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the other things that life throws at us. I'm a

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huge history buff, so I love history, anything to do

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with weird history, especially presidential history, anything to do with

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the White House or the founding of the country, anything

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really in history.

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Speaker 2: But I do the weird stuff.

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Speaker 3: So I thought, why don't I just narrate some of

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these amazing stories that people have probably never heard about before.

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So I decided to use our disturbing history. I'm creating

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the show. I think I'm ten episodes into recording all

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of these narratives that I'm going to be prettymansh. It'll

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be a narrated show where I take some of these

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weird stories. So far, i've done JFK, and not the

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assassination JFK, but his fascination with the afterlife and the

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esoteric parts of life, and some of those weirder parts

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of his consulting psychics and trying to make decisions about

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national policy and things like that people have probably never

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heard about. Done one on Mary Todd Lincoln and her

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fascination with the afterlife and trying to connect with her

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children and eventually after Abraham Lincoln was killed, connecting with him.

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I've done the Popham colony. I just did one on that.

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So it's going to be that kind of thing where

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there's this weird backdrop or these weird connections. I just

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did one yesterday actually on the Freemasons, and there was

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a murder back in eighteen twenty six. I think this

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guy named Morgan he was He's threatening to expose the

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hidden handshakes, the secret passwords, and all the things that

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go into these rituals with the Freemasons. A bunch of

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Freemasons got together and kidnapped his ass. We've pieced together

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the history enough to believe, at least most people who

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are familiar with the story and his historians will tell

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you that they basically took his ass out into the

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lake up in Canada and weighted him down with chains

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and rocks and drown him to protect them. His partner

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posthumously put his book out, which I've been trying to

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find a copy of. It came out in eighteen twenty six.

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I'm having to do some digging. Yeah, that's taking up

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a lot of my time. And then, of course we're

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doing this show sasquatch Odossy Backwards Bigfoot Stories Man is

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one of my favorite things. If you guys aren't listening

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to that show, I do put out some of those

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episodes over on sasquatch Otasy, but Backwards Bigfoot Stories is

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a release from me to be able to just sit

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down and narrate those stories. Really cool encounter stories from

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people a lot of times that don't want to come

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on your show or my show and talk about their experiences.

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I'm just narrating those over on that podcast, and it's

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growing in popularity. It's definitely something that people seem to

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be interested in. It's taking up a lot of my time.

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I don't know if I'm crazy.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you're gonna fit it in there,

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du but you are superman, so you'll fucking figure it out.

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I'm sure, and I'm glad. I got a soft spot

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for the name you and I come up with that

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name together at our Airbnb at a conference we did

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in East Tennessee two or three years ago. We just

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hanging out drinking beer, juice, sipping wild turkey, eating our

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Mexican food, talking about ideas, and Disturbing History came up,

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and I love that name. I'm glad it's going to

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get to be used.

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Speaker 3: I was torn about what to do with the show

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or what direction I wanted to go in. I'm showing

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Wayne right now. You guys can't see this, but I'm

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showing the logo that I came up with for Disturbing History.

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It's a little bit different than the average logo that

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we would do here at Paranormal War Productions, and certainly

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different than the one that we had illustrated by the

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guy that you found last year or the year before.

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But yeah, I think it's going to be a cool thing.

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Not every podcast can be the most popular in the world.

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It's just more of a hobby for me because I

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do enjoy history, and I don't get to spend a

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whole lot of time talking about history or looking into history.

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it's something I enjoy and hopefully other people will enjoy

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it as well, so we'll see how it goes. Yeah,

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let's talk a little bit about the rebrand. Man. We

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haven't really talked a whole lot about the Bigfoot Report,

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but you and Tiffany are about I don't know what

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three weeks, maybe four weeks. Time flies when you're having fun.

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So how long are you into the rebrand of the

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show and how is that going for you?

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 3: Have you seen a difference in the audience. Have you

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seen a difference in the people that it's attracting? What

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kind of stories are you getting? And are you enjoying

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it more than Paranormal Odyssey? What's the deal with the

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Bigfoot Report? I'm having to blest with it. Man, You

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and I were talking a little bit before we hit

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record and clode up the numbers when it was Paranormal

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Odyssey versus just the month and I don't even think

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it's been a full month since we changed it over.

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It's something like maybe a quarter percent raise just in

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the month, several thousand more downloads now on the podcast side,

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I haven't really seen a huge growth on the YouTube side.

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I expect that to come, it hasn't happened yet. But yeah,

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we've been narrating just like you. I narrate some, Tiffany

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will narrate some.

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Speaker 4: We'll put them together. Average episode thirty to forty minutes,

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usually get three four Bigfoot stories in there. And we're

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getting great response just to jump and podcast downloads. I'm happy.

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I'm tickled about that, and I just hope it keeps

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going in that direction. And like you and I were saying,

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it's all because we put the word bigfoot in the title,

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plain and simple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does make a huge difference, man, And I

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am excited for you guys. I hope everybody checks out

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the Bigfoot Report. If you're not listening to it, what's

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wrong with you? You can find it wherever you're listening

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to us right now. Go find the Bigfoot Report, find

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backwards Bigfoot stories, find the Guilty File, and give those

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a listen. We would definitely appreciate it. It goes a long way,

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and obviously we talk about this all the time. When

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we started this show. At least, I felt like we

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had a huge amount of engagement early on with the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 3: Getting tons of emails, tons of voicemails, and that seems

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to have dropped off some I'm not really sure why.

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I don't know if that's a reflection of us, or

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maybe it's a reflection of the times. But I've talked

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to you about this multiple times. Behind the scenes, you

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and I privately have talked about we are dealing with

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a niche inside of a niche with this show. I

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know it's not everybody's cup of tea, but I tell

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you the engagement we got from last week. I did

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get a couple of emails and a couple of private

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messages from folks that.

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Speaker 2: Clearly saw that I was struggling.

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Speaker 3: I don't want this to be any kind of a

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pity party, or me constantly coming on here and just

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talking about my issues and me struggling or you struggling,

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or whatever the case may be. But I think that

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realism and that connection with the audience that we have,

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it's what makes this show so special. At least I've

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always felt that because we don't get an opportunity to

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do that on our show. You do a lot more

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than I do. Because you and Tiffany do a lot

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of lives on the Bigfoot Report on your YouTube channel.

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I don't do a ton of lives, so I don't

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get a lot of time to express some of the

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things that are on my mind sometimes frankly, the things

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that are going on in my life that people may

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or may not be interested in. So this show is

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truly an outlet for you and I to be able

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to do that. And I felt like we had this

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huge connection early on, and I know we still do

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with that core audience. Yeah, but frankly, I have been

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a little disappointed that this show hasn't grown more than

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it has, and I'm not blaming anybody for that, But

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and frankly, any content creator, you really have to rely

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on and we do rely heavily on you, the audience

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that are listening, because if you don't tell people about

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this show, we can put out ninety seven episodes a

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week and nobody's going to be listening because they can't

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find it, they don't know what exists. And in order

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to have an audience and build an audience, the audience

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has to share the show with other people. So that's

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where we rely on you, guys, We truly do.

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Speaker 2: We ask you.

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Speaker 3: At the end of every episode, Wayne always says, you

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please rate and.

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Speaker 2: Review, tell people about the show.

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Speaker 3: But it really is the most important thing for us

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because we do this show for you guys. We don't

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necessarily do it for us. We do enjoy it. That's

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why we keep coming back, or we wouldn't still be

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Speaker 2: Is for you guys.

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Speaker 3: So if you enjoy the show and it's something that

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you think other people would be interested in, please tell everybody.

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If you tell ten people a week, you come in

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contact with a lot of people at work, you come

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in contact with a lot of people socially. Just tell

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ten people. If five of them start to listen, much

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better for us and it allows us to continue to.

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Speaker 2: Do the shows that everybody enjoys.

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Speaker 3: Enough of that, let's get into some of the things

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that I wanted us to talk about today. You had

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sent some things last week. We have a little bit

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of an update on the Fox and Deer video. I

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got something from a listener. His name escapes me. I apologize.

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Right after that episode aired on Friday, I got a

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couple of messages from a few people. One of them

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was a link to a video that was basically calling

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thinker Thunker out for his video breaking down this deer

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Fox alleged possible sasquatch video.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it was Big but Tony. The name just came

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to me, the gentleman. The video you sent me was.

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Speaker 1: Big but Tony.

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Speaker 4: It was like his response to what thinker Thunker did

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for the video there.

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and said, hey, you might be interested in this. I

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clicked on it, I watched a few minutes. It didn't

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take me long to figure out that clearly big pot

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to be a sasquatch not only by person allegedly I

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guess who filmed this, but in thinker Thunker's breakdown, thinker

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so sure about this. Not only did he say I'm

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not so sure about this, I think you pretty much

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over exposing, over zooming in to maybe pixelate and maybe

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even make this a little bit more blurry to fit

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his narrative. And I even responded back to the guy

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who sent this to me and said, oh God, I'm

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gonna bust Wayne's bubble again. He's going to be so

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pissed off. This seems to happen every time you fall

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in love with a piece of footage. It happens to

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all of us. You're not unique in this at all.

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And then it comes out that Okay, by the way,

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because I tell you just a little bit that I watched,

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I'm not familiar with Big pot Tony. Maybe you can

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tell us a little bit more about him, Wayne, because

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I know you had some follow up with mevia text

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saying there's been some issues with this guy as well,

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so I want to get into that a little bit.

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But before we just watching the few things that he did,

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I was almost immediately Okay, that's clearly a dude. That's

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not a sasquatch. Once he zoomed in and just cleaned

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it up just to tad, I could clearly see what

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looked like a white dude short round, but still the

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white dude walking in this video. How did you feel

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about that when I sent it? Are you on the

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same page and talk a little bit about it if

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you don't mind at least what you know the limited

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amount of knowledge you have on this Bigfoot Tony guy.

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Speaker 4: As you said, my bubble was completely busted. And to

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talk about Bigfootony, I don't know a whole lot about him.

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I just know the name. He like everyone. Some people

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like him and others don't. But it seems like I've

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heard more negative stuff about him. I don't want to

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give the guy any unfair publishtity or anything like that.

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I just don't know enough about him to really have

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my own opinion of just things i've heard. Take anything

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I say with a grain of salt. As far as

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the video, not only does Bigfoot Tony break it down

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and enhance it so much that you can tell this

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is a white, older gentleman with a ball cap on,

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and he's carrying a fucking stick. You can see clearly

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enough that he's carrying a long stack either a walking stick,

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but he's not using it like a walking stick. He's

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carrying it in his hand sticking out, and Big Plutony

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made the comment that it may even be a mop

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that he's carrying, because it looks like there's something hanging

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off the back end of it. I agree with what

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Big put Tony was saying when he makes the claim

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that shame on you, Thunker. You know that this is

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a man. You have the same equipment that he does.

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And Big Puttony was able to blow it up enough

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where you can tell, in my opinion, definitively that it's

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a man. I put this one to bed. That is

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one hundred percent of a man now, as much as

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I hate it, but he's blaming him, he's calling him

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out and saying that Thinker Thunker purposely over whatever I

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don't know the terms, that made it more blurry, and

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he put up Thinker Thunker's image and then his image

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side by side. Yeah, it's not in day difference. And

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if thinker Thunker is as good as he claims, because

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he's cleaned some stuff up before, he's good at that,

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if he is as good as we all think he is,

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then he knew this. He knew it. But he not

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only made that video, he went on and made three more,

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Part two, Part three, Part four, all of the same thing,

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knowing the whole time that it was a man. Changed

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my opinion of Thinker Thunker. My opinion has been going

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that way for a while now, could Brian you said it?

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His thinker Thunker eyism just don't always line up. So

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I had been going that direction. When I first saw

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Thinker Thunker, I thought he was the coolest thing ever.

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He does an amazing job. Everyone watched this. If Thinker

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Tucker says it, it's true, I'm not there anymore. If

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this is the case, shame on you, dude. You gotta

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do better.

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Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

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be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent with what you said, but

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I think I've come to the point now where I understand.

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I wholeheartedly think Thinker Thunker's thinker Thunker reap always matches

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up with exactly his narrative. Yeah, it always matches up

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with exactly what he's pushing, which is growing subscribers and

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getting people's eyeballs on his videos because that's how he

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makes money. So it makes perfect sense to me that,

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albeit a little bit dishonest, I think would be a

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fair assessment to put out three or four videos about

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this particular incident, stringing people along and making people think

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that this is something that it's not. I think that's dishonest,

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but it does at one hundred percent matches what he's

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trying to do and his narrative, which is push the

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Bigfoot narrative enough to get people's eyeballs on your video.

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Because here's the thing. If Thinker Thunker did every video,

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and he's done this in the past, I think he's

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debunked things and said this is absolutely a person in

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a suit or whatever the case may be. But I

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think that's very rare because if you go back into

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his catalog, ninety percent of the things that he says

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are very subjective. They're opinionated. There's no real facts to

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back any of the stuff up. And I don't know

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what his background is. I tried to look into it.

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I started digging into it today because I knew we

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were gonna have a conversation about that particular video. So

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I looked back nine years ago, Thinker Thunker did a

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video on Sasquatch, Ontario. He pulled a piece of audio

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where apparently Nef, which we all know is actually Dwayne,

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was singing in this video or talking and he's saying

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Robert or whatever he's saying. So Thinker Thunker did his

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thing where he tried to mimic what was being said

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in the video, and he's comparing it in the spectrogram

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and he's got it pulled up and he's showing with

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the highs and lows, and it's about a twelve or

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thirteen minute video. But it's clear to me that he

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is not making a definitive statement. He never says I

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don't think this is a Sasquatcher. I think this is

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a person. It's certainly within human range capabilities. But at

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the end here I tried my best to finish out

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the Robert and it goes higher in the Sasquatch Ontario.

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So this voice is very unique. This voice is very special.

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Not saying it's Bigfoot, not saying it's not. But okay,

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if he took thirty two seconds to google Sasquatch Ontario hoax,

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he knows it's a fucking hoax, just like everybody else,

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because Dwayne admitted to being the voice of Neth. Just

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the fact that you're not doing that, or you're doing that,

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and you're still continuing to make these videos and leave

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it out there ambiguously subjectively telling people that this may

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or may not be a Sasquatch. I think it's just disingenuous, honestly,

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and he's got I think one hundred and eighty thousand

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subscribers on his YouTube channel. He's racking up the views

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off of these videos. And I don't know what expertise,

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if any of this dude has, What does anybody know

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about him? Has he ever shown his face on any

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of these videos? I'm not aware of him doing that.

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There's no information, there's no contact. I've tried to contact

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him before, still waiting three years later to hear back

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from him.

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's really fitting his narrative, and that

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sort of fits into some of the frustrations and some

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of the things I've been frustrated with, and I know

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you as well with the Big Book community. Is there's

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nothing wrong if you want to have a faceless Facebook,

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or you want to have a faceless YouTube, or you

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want to have a faceless whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 3: But if you're not being honest about what you're presenting,

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and if you have all of these skills, and we're

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supposed to believe all your thinker thunker isms and thinker

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thunker ree when you say this leg is too long

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to be a human, or this ar is way outside

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the range of this, Okay, But I'm supposed to just

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believe that on blind faith, because how do you know,

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what are you using, what expertise do you have? But

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I don't think any of that matters. I think it

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ultimately boils down to people latch onto these channels. They

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latch onto what they believe these people are telling them,

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and the rest of it matters not And I think

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it just does such a disservice. And there's so many

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videos out there that he has analyzing things, and.

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Speaker 2: People believe what he says.

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Speaker 3: So if he says, like you said, if Thinker Thunker

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says this video is legitimate, most of the people who

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follow his channel are going to believe it's legitimate.

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Speaker 2: But there's no proof.

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Speaker 3: It's all innuendo, it's all suggestion, it's all his opinion.

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And I just don't believe that's where we should be

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going as far as this is concerned. Bob Gimlin is

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another huge not V Bob Gimlin from the Patterson Gimlin film,

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but Bob Gimlin on YouTube. He had a video up

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that I think I sent you a link to. I

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can't remember what state it was in. Let me see

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if I can pull it up.

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Speaker 4: It was upstate New York.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, the baby Bigfoot footage from upstate New York.

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And then he has something about the Sasquatch Tree nursery.

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He posted this two weeks ago, one hundred and twenty

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four thousand views thus far in the last two weeks.

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Mind you, I have seen this video before. I can't remember.

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I'm pretty sure I think he actually talks about it

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in the video. He talks about where finding Bigfoot did

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a recreation and he actually shows a shot. I don't

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know who that is in the tree that's doing this recreation.

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Speaker 4: It was Bobo.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So if you look at this recreation and you look

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at this video and his analysis, which I'm not going

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to get all into all of the things that he

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makes points about, but he does make a couple of

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good points. There's no audio to this, at least what

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he posted, and some people have come out and said,

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that's a little suspicious.

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Speaker 2: That's a red flag for me. Why would you take

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the audio out of this video?

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Speaker 4: So many reasons, so many reasons. Exactly of guys were drinking,

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what have one of them uttered a racial slur or

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made a bad comment about a sports team, or there's

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so many reasons you take the audio out that's crap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I agree with you and Bob. I don't

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think there's a big red flag there where there not

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being in the audio here. But obviously i'd have to

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go back and look or ask Cliff for Bobo, one

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of them about what the outcome was as far as

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they're concerned about this video and their recreation. But I

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tell you, it's a compelling video. To me, it looks

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like freaking monkeys swinging around in the fucking trees behind.

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And as far as I know, there's no native monkeys

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apes of any kind in upstate.

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Speaker 2: New York that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 3: So it's a very compelling video. But I do like

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the way that Bob Gimlin approaches his videos. He obviously

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gives his opinion, but he's not doing any of this

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thinker thunkery bullshit where he's trying to measure things or whatever.

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He just does common sense things. At least in my opinion,

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it seems like common sense things that you and I

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would do when we look at a video. How did

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you feel about that particular video had you I've seen

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that before, I send it to you, and what do

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you think about it after you took a look at it?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had seen it before, and god, I'm getting

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to a point now where I don't even want to

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say if I like a video or because it's going

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to come back is being debunked a week later. But

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I had seen this many times, and this one, I

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don't know how anybody out there will be able to

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prove that this is anything other than some type of

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monkey primate because this thing is swinging very high up

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in the tree. We can't do that. We certainly can't

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do that. And something that was new to me. I

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had never seen the beginning of it, where it looks

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like something tall is walking and you see it looks

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like a conical shaped head passed by, just very briefly,

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and then someone goes a step further, saying that it

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looked like something jumped off of it and into the tree.

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I didn't see all that, but there was something walking

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on the ground in that area that was new to

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me as well. Yeah, man, I just I don't know

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how it's possible to argue that there's anything other than

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some type of monkey. And like Brian said, don't know

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of any non human primates living in upstate New York.

475
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,079
We do have a problem with people that purchase illegal

476
00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:29,319
exotic animals for pets quickly find out it's too much

477
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,920
for them to take on. And what do you do.

478
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,200
You can't take it to the pet store. God, I

479
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,160
hope nobody go out there and shoot it just to

480
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,279
get rid of it. But what do people do. They

481
00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,599
abandon them and go out in the woods and drop

482
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,640
it off. And what Bob was saying, what I agree

483
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:49,160
with is, of all the possible scenarios, an abandoned pet

484
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:52,920
makes the most sense to me. A close second is

485
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,960
a small bigfoot, because what else can it be it's

486
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,519
not a human.

487
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, man, and that's why we

488
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:03,000
have twenty four but plus Burmese pythons down in Florida.

489
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:05,920
People get these exotic pets, and we all know the

490
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:08,200
urban legends. I grew up as a kid hearing about

491
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,319
the alligator that gets flushed down the toilet. And we've

492
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,440
all seen those horrible C grade D grade horror movies

493
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,920
from the eighties where they were doing these massive alligators.

494
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: They were eating people. But it is true.

495
00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,039
Speaker 3: But to your point, you are the sasquatch savant. That's

496
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,319
why you bring up things that we normally would not

497
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,240
talk about, because you are the master at figuring these

498
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,279
things out. I didn't see the thing walking either with

499
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,480
the conical shaped head, but given the fact that's present

500
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,519
in the video, I too, like you, did not see

501
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,240
whatever this was allegedly getting off of this thing's back

502
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,480
or shoulders or whatever and climbing up into the tree

503
00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:49,680
like some people purport that they see. Yet if that

504
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:53,359
thing is present, and Bob Gimlin was pointing this out

505
00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:55,640
several times in the video, that was one of the

506
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,559
first things that drew him to this was it was

507
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:04,400
an unusual body type shape, conical head, doesn't look like

508
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,519
there's much of a neck in the frame. And then

509
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,039
this smaller thing swinging around in the trees. What are

510
00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:14,200
the chances outside of it being a rather large man

511
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:18,200
with a possibly conical shaped head taking his pet gibbing

512
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,519
out to play in the trees, and these people just

513
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,119
happened to film it at the same time. That's a

514
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,440
little bit of a stretch for me. Again, I'll go

515
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,359
back to Occam's razor, which I always do. The simplest explanation.

516
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,240
Maybe the explanation. In this case, maybe this wasn't somebody's

517
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:43,880
escaped gibbon and or somebody out walking their proverbial gibbon.

518
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,759
Speaker 2: Maybe it was.

519
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: A sasquatch and a smaller one. They got to have

520
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,440
babies if they're out there and they're living. We've talked

521
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,559
about it before with some of the sightings that people

522
00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,319
have had out an area X of these what they

523
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,759
look like chimpanzee size, maybe a little bit larger creatures

524
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:06,599
that they consider to be toddlers and or juvenile sasquatch.

525
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,240
So it just makes sense to me that it's possible

526
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,839
that what we're seeing in this video is a larger sasquatch,

527
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,960
maybe a mom or a dad, and this is possibly

528
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,839
a toddler or a juvenile swinging around in the trees.

529
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,200
It's certainly not a person.

530
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: I think we can all rule that out.

531
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: Whatever is in these trees is not a person. Again,

532
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,000
if Ockham's razor is wrong and it is actually Joe

533
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,599
or whoever the fuck that has a pet gibbon that

534
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,599
decided to go out and let it swing around in

535
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,599
a tree for a while, I guess that's possible. It

536
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,640
just doesn't seem plausible to me, so I don't know.

537
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:42,920
The jury is still out for me.

538
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: It's another example of Brian in my opinion, it's another

539
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:52,599
example of why video footage and photos will never be enough,

540
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,519
because this is compelling. This is a non human primate.

541
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,759
There's no way it's anything but that. And it's still

542
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:04,039
not to confirm or to at least get a serious

543
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:08,279
study from some university to go out there and take

544
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,759
a more serious look at it. It's going to take a.

545
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: Body, I agree, man. And speaking of serious studies looking

546
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:19,920
into bigfoot and non human primates, let's talk about Sasquatch Ontario.

547
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: I wish I could have seen.

548
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,319
Speaker 3: The little shudder that Wayne did as he was waiting

549
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,440
with baited breath to see what I was going to say,

550
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,920
because he had no idea. So I always peruse the

551
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,440
interwebs before we get on to record these shows just

552
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,519
to see what's going on out there, And of course

553
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:39,160
I always look at YouTube right before these shows and

554
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,160
take a look at what our buddy Todd and what

555
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,720
our buddy Mike up in Canada are doing. And lo

556
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,359
and behold, what did Sasquatch Ontario post just mere hours ago,

557
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Ladies and gentlemen, Another amazing live broadcast of over an

558
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,039
hour of amazing footage with Mike and Dwayne up at

559
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,640
Dwayne's cabin up in the remote area of Canada, and

560
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,440
some of the things that stuck out to me about this.

561
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:07,200
I really want to talk a little bit about this

562
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,200
because it was so funny. I scrubbed through. Obviously, I

563
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,000
don't have an hour plus to sit and look at

564
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,480
these two yahoos doing whatever the fuck they're doing with

565
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:21,240
their farting sasquatches and sasquatch selfies and marbles materializing. But

566
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:23,079
I did stop at a couple of highlights that I

567
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,240
want to talk about here. One of the things that

568
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,880
happened early on when they were talking about this is

569
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,720
they were talking about the fact that they believe Bigfoot

570
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,960
can do all of these amazing things. They're way beyond

571
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,319
anything we can ever imagine as human beings with all

572
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,279
of these amazing abilities that they have, And one of

573
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:42,519
the things they talked about is that they believe they

574
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:46,119
can speak through us. Now, they didn't really go into

575
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,680
any detail as far as whether this was mind speak

576
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400
or if they're supposedly just putting these thoughts in our

577
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,680
brains and then they're being able to speak through them.

578
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,960
But Dwayne was actually speaking about this, and Mike got

579
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,079
very serious for a moment, and he had this look

580
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:00,519
on his face and he's we.

581
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: Know they have that ability. I don't know if.

582
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: He's talking about Nef being able to speak through Dwayne,

583
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:10,319
because clearly Dwayne is the one who is the voice

584
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:13,440
of Nef and always has been, so I'm not sure

585
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,279
about that. One of the things I thought was really

586
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:21,160
interesting he actually picked up this small cannon camera that's

587
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,279
probably six or ten years old at this point, and

588
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:28,079
he starts showing some of the pictures that he claims

589
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:33,039
that Sasquatch has put on this Canon camera while it's

590
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:37,720
been sitting on a table between he and Dwayne. They'll

591
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,680
check the camera there's no images, and they'll sit at

592
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,799
a table very much like they are in this live

593
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,599
video talking and then Mike will pick up the camera

594
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,480
to check for photos and he gets pictures and he's

595
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,759
showing them on the camera of the live So he's

596
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,720
pulling up this little, small handheld Canon camera and he's

597
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,079
pulling up these photos. One of them was from twenty

598
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,519
nineteen where it shows the eyeballs photo.

599
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that. Bigfoot Podcast. We will

600
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,960
be right back after these messages.

601
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,319
Speaker 3: If you guys aren't familiar with that, it's pretty simple.

602
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:17,680
It's been debunked as a fucking stuffed fish. It was

603
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,799
hanging on the wall in either Mike's house or Dwayne's house,

604
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,200
and some of the videos people have actually done the

605
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:30,039
comparison and showed where this alleged sasquatch photo selfie if

606
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:34,559
you will, on this canon camera is actually a stuffed

607
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:39,000
fish that's hanging on their wall, and the eyeball matches exactly.

608
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,319
But he's got a couple of eyeball pictures allegedly on

609
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,319
this camera, and he shows that live on the live

610
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:49,720
So that's one thing then, as per usual in these

611
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440
later lives, which is funny because I think this is

612
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,839
the third one they've done so far. And mind you,

613
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,799
this has been going on for twelve or fifteen years,

614
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,960
and these last three videos we've talked about this in

615
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,440
the past are the only times that Dwayne has ever

616
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,599
appeared on camera with Mike in front of the camera

617
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,559
for people to see him. But they're sitting there before

618
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:13,480
they go outside towards the end of the video. So

619
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:15,559
I skipped ahead a little bit, so let me backtrack here.

620
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,839
They actually are sitting there talking, and it's so funny

621
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,319
to me that these two yahoops that are talking about

622
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:24,680
some of the weirdest shit I have ever heard in

623
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,440
relation to Bigfoot, which is obviously one hundred percent complete

624
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,759
and utter bullshit. They are literally giving shit to people

625
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
because they start talking about the professionals in Bigfoot, and

626
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,839
they don't know anything because they don't have any real experiences.

627
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,559
He's alluding to, I'm assuming Jeff Mildram because he's talking

628
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:48,759
about anthropologists. He won't say names. He must have balls

629
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,799
the size of these fucking marbles that he claims that

630
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:54,000
Bigfoot materializes because he won't say anybody's name out in

631
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:59,240
public in front of everybody. Mike Patterson sasquatch Ontario fucking hoaxer.

632
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:03,559
So he's clearly talking about Jeff Meldrum, and then he

633
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,640
talks about the crypto linguist who he refuses to say

634
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,160
the name. I think Dwayne joked and said Smellson or something.

635
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,480
They're clearly talking about Scott Nelson because they've sent some

636
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,079
of their bullshit audio to him in the past, and

637
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,400
Dwayne said, and I quote Scott Nelson said it sounds

638
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,319
like a retarded sasquatch end quote. So if anybody's offended

639
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,000
by the word retarded, I am so sorry. They're talking

640
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,279
about people who are professionals and how they have zero

641
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,519
credibility in Bigfoot, but yet they do. But they do, Yeah,

642
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,319
exactly they do. They're talking about fucking marbles materializing out

643
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:44,079
of nowhere inside vocalizations. Dwayne told a story about remember

644
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:45,799
that one time I went out and I came in

645
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:47,880
and there was a feather or a stick or something

646
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,480
stuck in my ponytail that sasquatch did while they were

647
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,720
cloaked or they were invisible, I don't fucking know. Towards

648
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,559
the end of this video, they do what they normally

649
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,200
have done in the last few lives, actually go outside,

650
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,559
and Mike does this dramatic look into the darkness of

651
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:09,119
the woods, and it doesn't even really look like they're

652
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,319
that remote. I'm not really sure what's going on, but

653
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,319
I see buildings and shit in the background.

654
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: An he's smart.

655
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,279
Speaker 3: They're in the Walmart parking lot.

656
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: He's we're definitely not alone. Oh god, we're not alone.

657
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: They're here, and they start walking around and Mike's looking

658
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:29,559
at his car there's a stick that was apparently placed

659
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:31,799
on the top of his car that wasn't there before

660
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,799
where he's always doing his audio recording. And then Mike

661
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,079
walks to the back of the car and look, Mike,

662
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,240
there's something in the back of your car.

663
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,359
Speaker 2: Oh wait, what is it?

664
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: His car is dirty as fuck, and there's a smiley

665
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,039
face that wasn't there before. That sasquatch drew into his car.

666
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,599
That's new, that's brand new. That just happened. And then

667
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,640
Mike I scrubbed through. So I don't know what happened

668
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,480
right before this, but I fast forward a little bit

669
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,039
and then Mike's looking around. I'm gonna see if I'm

670
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,519
trying to find this marble. I'm looking for this marble.

671
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,760
It's like a bluish green marble. I'm like, how do

672
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,599
you know there's a fucking bluish green marble laying around?

673
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,679
So they look for this marble for a few minutes,

674
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,480
and then Mike is still looking for the marble, and

675
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,840
I hear it in the audio. It's hard because they're

676
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,039
walking on stones, so I can't say this definitively, but

677
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,960
it sounds like something dropped, like you took a rock

678
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:28,079
or something out of your pocket.

679
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: It drops in front of.

680
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,599
Speaker 3: You, and Dwayne goes, look, Mike, there's a marble right

681
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,519
there in front of you, and he bends over and

682
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,519
picks up this little green marble. Because Mike is doing

683
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:39,639
this thing where he's there's something. Wait, is there something

684
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,800
in my pocket? Something's happening, Something's happening in Dwayne. I

685
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,000
don't know what's happening. Hold on, there's something happening. I

686
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,039
feel like I'm checking my pockets. There's something happening here.

687
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,280
When Dwayne says there's this marble in front of him,

688
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,119
Dwayne or Mike bends over and picks up this like

689
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,039
bluish green marble and he's there. It is that hit

690
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:01,360
me in the back. Second ago, I couldn't figure out

691
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,000
what was going on. It just materialized and hit me

692
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:04,440
in the back.

693
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,159
Speaker 2: And there it is.

694
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: It is the wildest shit I have ever seen, dude,

695
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,280
And this guy has eighty two thousand subscribers on YouTube

696
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:18,320
and they are buying into this shit. Cook Line and Sinker.

697
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,880
If you don't believe me, all you have to do

698
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,960
is go and read some of the comments on this page.

699
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:27,920
Let me read this one comment here. Oh, this was

700
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,559
from five hours ago from.

701
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 2: See through the Veil.

702
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: Oh shit, he says, great work, Mike, I was watching

703
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,719
someone live yesterday. I tried to tell him their multi

704
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,639
dimensional beings and can be as solid as us, cloak

705
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,960
against any background, or be like spirits and enter your

706
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:52,280
home at will. He would not accept that. Told me

707
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,960
he studied them for ten years and has a thousand subs,

708
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,119
gets his whole family out in the woods doing tree

709
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:02,159
knocks and whoops. I told him when they do that,

710
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,480
it's not for us, it's for them to communicate with

711
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,159
each other. I told him, you have to put your

712
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,119
entire energy into trying to find them. They will definitely

713
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:16,440
come and check you out. It's about your energy. I'm

714
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,719
sure that you Mike and Dwyane. He couldn't tell me

715
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,199
anything about their structures. Sasquatch are not evil, and you

716
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,960
really don't want to have a bad experience with them because.

717
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: You will lose.

718
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:33,199
Speaker 3: They have rules. They're always watching or tuned in. Some

719
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,920
humans think they know, but if they don't understand, I'm sorry.

720
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,920
He wrote, innerstand I N N E R S t

721
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:48,760
A N D. I understand the spiritual realms and it's

722
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,320
got absolutely nothing to do with religions. I hope those

723
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,119
people wake up. Don't worry about sasquatch, worry about your entities.

724
00:36:58,639 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: Mike.

725
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 3: I could talk to you you all day about resets

726
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,800
and history, and he puts his story. Thank you for sharing.

727
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,840
People were not on a spinning ball and know we've

728
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,559
never been to the moon. Please stop getting programmed by

729
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:18,199
your television. And he's got in quotations, tell.

730
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: Lies to my vision. Okay.

731
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:26,519
Speaker 3: If that comment doesn't sum up his audience, I don't

732
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:27,400
know what else does.

733
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: How does dude know any of this?

734
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but in all seriousness, man, obviously that dude has problems.

735
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:36,039
Speaker 2: He has issues.

736
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,159
Speaker 3: But there's so many more comments. I think there was

737
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:41,719
about thirty comments at this point on that video, and

738
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,880
the majority of them I didn't read anything that was negative.

739
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,079
I didn't read anything that was calling these guys out

740
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,400
for their bullshit. It's all piling on about how great

741
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,800
they are and this amazing research. It is clearly not happening,

742
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:58,480
and I tried to watch. Every time I watch one

743
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:00,800
of these videos, I try my best to put my

744
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,360
cop hat back on and I try to discern whether

745
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:10,159
or not Mike is being completely fooled by this Dwayne guy,

746
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:13,400
and I don't think there's any way that's possible. I

747
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,320
think Dwayanne is the majority of what's perpetrating this hoax.

748
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,039
I think he is the impetus behind this hoax. But

749
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:28,679
either Mike is completely and utterly batshit fucking crazy, or

750
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,559
he is one of the dumbest people that has ever

751
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,280
walked to the face of the earth, or he is

752
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,800
one hundred percent involved and complicit with this hoax. Those

753
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,079
are the only three options that we have to choose

754
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:42,559
from here.

755
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna ask you, Brian, what do you

756
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,679
think that these two yahoos, as you so eloquently describe them,

757
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,000
and I agree with do you think that they sit

758
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:02,239
around and openly discuss Yeah, here's what we're gonna do next.

759
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,360
We're gonna tell him this and I'm gonna have a rock,

760
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,280
I'm gonna have a marble hit me. I'm gonna say

761
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,480
a marble fell. And do you think they plan this

762
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:14,960
stuff or do you think they feed off of each other,

763
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,039
both of them knowing that they're both full of shit?

764
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,079
But do they feed off of each other or is

765
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:23,880
this like a planned, a scripted thing. What do you

766
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,719
think that.

767
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,199
Speaker 3: Is such a phenomenal question, dude, And honestly, I don't know.

768
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,960
I truly get the feeling, and it's only after this

769
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,159
particular video that I watched. I truly get the feeling

770
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,480
that Mike believes this on some level. I truly believe

771
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,519
he believes it, and I think that's why in some

772
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:51,639
cases we've seen him defend Dwayne defend their research so

773
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:57,320
many times. Honestly, how could you be a part of

774
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,800
this and Dwayne literally come out and say, I am

775
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,199
the voice of NEF There's videos, right, The truth is

776
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,800
out there for you to see. I've talked about it

777
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,079
so many times. It's out there. He has admitted this

778
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:14,960
as a hoax. Now, of course they backtracked and said

779
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960
it was because of what was going on, the threat

780
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,599
to his house and all these things that caused him

781
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:20,920
to do this or say that.

782
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,679
Speaker 2: But we know that's bullshit.

783
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,039
Speaker 3: So I truly do get the sense. At this point,

784
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,920
I can't diagnose that.

785
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: Obviously.

786
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm not

787
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,599
any kind of a mental health professional. But I do

788
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,599
think he has at least, let's say, some personality traits

789
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:41,960
that may make him more susceptible to being hoaxed, and

790
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,880
I think Dwayne has capitalized on that for twelve to

791
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,480
fifteen years at this point, and I believe Mike may

792
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,280
be so invested in this at this point that he

793
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,960
is falling for everything that's happening because he's chosen to

794
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,840
believe it so many years ago, and it makes it

795
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,360
a lot easier for Dwayne. We've seen it from everybody.

796
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,840
You and I have been on camp outs with people

797
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,400
that you could tell right now. You and I could

798
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,440
be sitting around talking and having a good time at

799
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,639
our camp and we could point into the darkness and

800
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,079
say we just saw a sasquatch silhouette, and we'd have

801
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,559
five people that were sitting next to us go absolutely,

802
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:17,239
I saw it too.

803
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:18,199
Speaker 2: I know they're here.

804
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,519
Speaker 3: I felt them earlier. They mine spoke to me and

805
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,159
said that they were coming right. I think that's an

806
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:27,199
accurate thing for most people in this world, the Sasquatch

807
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,920
phenomena world that we live in. So I don't think

808
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,039
it's really outside the realm of possibility that Dwayne has

809
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,719
been pulling Mike's chain for so many years to the

810
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,639
point where I believe he truly believes that all of

811
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,719
this is happening to him, now, does it make sense

812
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,880
to me? I can't explain. And this is the only

813
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,480
thing that I'll contradict myself here and say, if I

814
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:54,360
were to sit with you just like we have plenty

815
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,119
of times before, across from each other, whatever, and if

816
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,079
I were to put a camera between you and I

817
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,800
never left either one of our site, and then I

818
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,679
picked it up and said, there was nothing on this

819
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,480
SD car, There was no photos here whatsoever. And then

820
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:11,119
I picked it up and there's photos on it that

821
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:15,400
would be weird, right, Yeah. So that's the only thing

822
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,760
that gives me pause is the fact that he did this.

823
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,880
It was a ten minute part of this video where

824
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,480
Mike picks up this fucking camera and says, we've done

825
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:26,360
this before, Dwayne and I have sat just like we

826
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,119
are now. I put this camera between the two of us,

827
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,239
and there were no photos on there, and then I

828
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,400
would periodically pick it up and check it during our conversation,

829
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,840
and there was this photo of an eye that they

830
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,519
put on this camera that never left our site. That

831
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:42,880
is the only thing that gives me pause, because that

832
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:47,840
is impossible. There is no possible way that happened. We

833
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,719
know that it's a physical impossibility. Bigfoot didn't come in

834
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,440
there invisibly and take a fucking selfie of its eyeball

835
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,440
between the two of these yahoos and it be on

836
00:42:58,519 --> 00:42:59,000
the camera.

837
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: So either it was there before he laid it.

838
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,519
Speaker 3: Down and he's lying about it. That's the only option. Yeah,

839
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,760
that's the only thing that gives me any pause.

840
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

841
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: I know that it's very contradictoring. This is very contradictory.

842
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,360
I don't think that's a word. It's very contradictory to

843
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,000
what I said earlier. So I guess the ultimate is

844
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:20,760
they both got to be in on the hoax, at

845
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,000
least in some part. Maybe Mike believes part of it,

846
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,320
and then the other parts he's had to finesse along

847
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,360
the way to maybe prove the narrative. It's very similar

848
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,559
to the Todds standing thing.

849
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:34,039
Speaker 2: I think.

850
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: I think Todd has probably had interactions with Bigfoot. I

851
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:40,760
truly think Todd believes Bigfoot exists. He just hasn't been

852
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,199
able to prove it. So he goes the extra mile

853
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:49,000
to solidify his position by hoaxing the videos and the

854
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:52,320
images that he has done in the past. So maybe

855
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,599
that's a part of it, I don't know. I think

856
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,880
beyond all of that is we're still talking about it

857
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:00,960
because people are still by eye into it, and I

858
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,239
think that is the true danger. By the way, there's

859
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,000
really nothing new for our buddy Todd over on his channel.

860
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:10,679
He's gone on natural, which I think is very interesting

861
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:12,559
for him. He always has some kind of a head

862
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,159
covering on in the past. I didn't talk about this

863
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:18,400
the last couple of videos, but he literally mentioned the

864
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,880
fact that he's now regrowing his beard out. So if

865
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,119
you guys have watched the Discovering Bigfoot documentary from I

866
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,320
don't know twelve thirteen years ago, he had that big,

867
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,559
massive beard. He's going back to that direction and now

868
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:32,920
he's taking the head coverings off and showing everybody his

869
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:36,840
bald head. And he said that's part of his journey

870
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,840
in Bigfoot is he's getting back to himself. He's getting

871
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,280
back to his natural self, and that's helping him in

872
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,519
his search for Sabe.

873
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 4: I'm so happy for you, God that you're getting back

874
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,920
to your roots. I don't forget who you are, buddy ever.

875
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

876
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:58,519
be right back after these messages.

877
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be remiss if I didn't bring up

878
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,840
the back to my Roots Rue Paul song. We've always

879
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,679
got to come back to Rue Paul at some point

880
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:10,519
in time on the show.

881
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 4: How does that eating fucking happen? But it does.

882
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: Back to my roots. Todd is now bald again, which

883
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,119
he's always been bald. We just couldn't see it because

884
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,039
he had some sort of head covering on. But it's

885
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,079
helping him in his search for Sabe.

886
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:23,519
Speaker 2: I don't know.

887
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: It floors me that there is so much of that

888
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,719
stuff out there that people are still following and paying

889
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,079
attention to and believing hook line and sinkers. I don't

890
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:35,119
know where to go from here. I just wish that

891
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:38,840
people would wake up, and I think it would come from,

892
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:42,400
as I alluded to earlier in the episode, people like

893
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,760
us who are trying to hammer it home for people,

894
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,280
that's not the shit you should be paying attention to.

895
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,079
There are professionals in this who do legitimate research, and

896
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:53,840
I think that's what we really need to be taking

897
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,280
advantage of and we need to be listening to. But

898
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,719
people just want to be entertained by the bullshit and

899
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,639
think that marbles are materializing and Bigfoot's drawing smiley faces

900
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:06,320
on the back of people's cars in the middle of

901
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:06,679
the night.

902
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 4: Exactly why, as you were saying earlier, our show hasn't

903
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,239
seen the growth that we were expecting. And you just

904
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,559
told everybody why because people like you said, we are

905
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,320
a niche inside of a niche. There aren't a whole

906
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,639
lot of people out there that really believe in Bigfoot,

907
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,280
so we got that against us. And then when you

908
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,280
do find the people that believe in Bigfoot, all they

909
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,800
want to hear is about how you manage to escape

910
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,559
a Bigfoot, seeing a big Foot in their family, and

911
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,559
is all this stuff that's what they want to hear.

912
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,719
And then when you got a couple of guys that

913
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,360
are tired of the assholes that we just got through

914
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,719
talking about that are taking advantage of people and wanting

915
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,119
to talk about it and want to talk about real research,

916
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,119
that's not what people want to hear. So I don't

917
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:57,639
know how it's going to change. I don't think it

918
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:58,400
can change.

919
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately, Lee, I don't think it ever will. But

920
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,679
as always, no matter what everybody thinks, we appreciate you

921
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,519
guys who do listen and do care about what we

922
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:11,079
say and are on the same page with us. We

923
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:14,000
cannot thank you guys enough. We just need more of you,

924
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:16,360
Like we said earlier in the show. So if you

925
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:18,880
feel there are other people out there in your friend group,

926
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,119
your family group, strangers, I don't give a fuck who

927
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,280
you tell about us. Tell people about the show and

928
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,960
let them check it out and make up their minds

929
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,880
for theirselves. But as always, Wayne, you get the last

930
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:30,480
word on the show.

931
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: My friends.

932
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,079
Speaker 4: All right, guy it again as always, thank you so

933
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:39,199
much for the continued support everything that you do. We

934
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,320
love you. We thank you, ug Brian said, Tell a friend,

935
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,960
tell family members, help us continue to grow the show

936
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,800
and keep it going in the right direction. Take every

937
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,559
chance that you get to rate interview that helped us

938
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:56,159
out so very much. Thank you for all of that.

939
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,920
And until we talk again, y'all take care of yourselves,

940
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,920
take care of each other by