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Speaker 2: Waang, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Man? All right?
Speaker 4: What's happening buddy? How you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm hanging me in like a hair in a biscuit,
not a limp hair in a soggy biscuit.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing better.
Speaker 3: Than last time we met.
Speaker 2: What about you, man, what's going on with you?
Speaker 4: Are you a busier than no one arm paperhanger?
Speaker 3: I have been because because there's a couple of things
going on behind the scenes. I've talked about the new
true crime podcast in the past that Danny and I
are doing The Guilty Files. Were doing three episodes a
week of that show. I need another podcast, like I
need a hold in the head. But you know me,
I'm always wanting to create more content and do more
stuff and push myself to the absolute limits. I have
been feverishly working. I don't even think I've even told
you about this, so this is going to be new
to you and everybody else. I'm actually working on a
history podcast, something that you and I talked about doing
a couple of years ago and never really pulled the
trigger on because we got busy with Bigfoot and all
the other things that life throws at us. I'm a
huge history buff, so I love history, anything to do
with weird history, especially presidential history, anything to do with
the White House or the founding of the country, anything
really in history.
Speaker 2: But I do the weird stuff.
Speaker 3: So I thought, why don't I just narrate some of
these amazing stories that people have probably never heard about before.
So I decided to use our disturbing history. I'm creating
the show. I think I'm ten episodes into recording all
of these narratives that I'm going to be prettymansh. It'll
be a narrated show where I take some of these
weird stories. So far, i've done JFK, and not the
assassination JFK, but his fascination with the afterlife and the
esoteric parts of life, and some of those weirder parts
of his consulting psychics and trying to make decisions about
national policy and things like that people have probably never
heard about. Done one on Mary Todd Lincoln and her
fascination with the afterlife and trying to connect with her
children and eventually after Abraham Lincoln was killed, connecting with him.
I've done the Popham colony. I just did one on that.
So it's going to be that kind of thing where
there's this weird backdrop or these weird connections. I just
did one yesterday actually on the Freemasons, and there was
a murder back in eighteen twenty six. I think this
guy named Morgan he was He's threatening to expose the
hidden handshakes, the secret passwords, and all the things that
go into these rituals with the Freemasons. A bunch of
Freemasons got together and kidnapped his ass. We've pieced together
the history enough to believe, at least most people who
are familiar with the story and his historians will tell
you that they basically took his ass out into the
lake up in Canada and weighted him down with chains
and rocks and drown him to protect them. His partner
posthumously put his book out, which I've been trying to
find a copy of. It came out in eighteen twenty six.
I'm having to do some digging. Yeah, that's taking up
a lot of my time. And then, of course we're
doing this show sasquatch Odossy Backwards Bigfoot Stories Man is
one of my favorite things. If you guys aren't listening
to that show, I do put out some of those
episodes over on sasquatch Otasy, but Backwards Bigfoot Stories is
a release from me to be able to just sit
down and narrate those stories. Really cool encounter stories from
people a lot of times that don't want to come
on your show or my show and talk about their experiences.
I'm just narrating those over on that podcast, and it's
growing in popularity. It's definitely something that people seem to
be interested in. It's taking up a lot of my time.
I don't know if I'm crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't know how you're gonna fit it in there,
du but you are superman, so you'll fucking figure it out.
I'm sure, and I'm glad. I got a soft spot
for the name you and I come up with that
name together at our Airbnb at a conference we did
in East Tennessee two or three years ago. We just
hanging out drinking beer, juice, sipping wild turkey, eating our
Mexican food, talking about ideas, and Disturbing History came up,
and I love that name. I'm glad it's going to
get to be used.
Speaker 3: I was torn about what to do with the show
or what direction I wanted to go in. I'm showing
Wayne right now. You guys can't see this, but I'm
showing the logo that I came up with for Disturbing History.
It's a little bit different than the average logo that
we would do here at Paranormal War Productions, and certainly
different than the one that we had illustrated by the
guy that you found last year or the year before.
But yeah, I think it's going to be a cool thing.
Not every podcast can be the most popular in the world.
It's just more of a hobby for me because I
do enjoy history, and I don't get to spend a
whole lot of time talking about history or looking into history.
So I thought, if I can do a podcast about it,
it's something I enjoy and hopefully other people will enjoy
it as well, so we'll see how it goes. Yeah,
let's talk a little bit about the rebrand. Man. We
haven't really talked a whole lot about the Bigfoot Report,
but you and Tiffany are about I don't know what
three weeks, maybe four weeks. Time flies when you're having fun.
So how long are you into the rebrand of the
show and how is that going for you?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 3: Have you seen a difference in the audience. Have you
seen a difference in the people that it's attracting? What
kind of stories are you getting? And are you enjoying
it more than Paranormal Odyssey? What's the deal with the
Bigfoot Report? I'm having to blest with it. Man, You
and I were talking a little bit before we hit
record and clode up the numbers when it was Paranormal
Odyssey versus just the month and I don't even think
it's been a full month since we changed it over.
It's something like maybe a quarter percent raise just in
the month, several thousand more downloads now on the podcast side,
I haven't really seen a huge growth on the YouTube side.
I expect that to come, it hasn't happened yet. But yeah,
we've been narrating just like you. I narrate some, Tiffany
will narrate some.
Speaker 4: We'll put them together. Average episode thirty to forty minutes,
usually get three four Bigfoot stories in there. And we're
getting great response just to jump and podcast downloads. I'm happy.
I'm tickled about that, and I just hope it keeps
going in that direction. And like you and I were saying,
it's all because we put the word bigfoot in the title,
plain and simple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does make a huge difference, man, And I
am excited for you guys. I hope everybody checks out
the Bigfoot Report. If you're not listening to it, what's
wrong with you? You can find it wherever you're listening
to us right now. Go find the Bigfoot Report, find
backwards Bigfoot stories, find the Guilty File, and give those
a listen. We would definitely appreciate it. It goes a long way,
and obviously we talk about this all the time. When
we started this show. At least, I felt like we
had a huge amount of engagement early on with the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were.
Speaker 3: Getting tons of emails, tons of voicemails, and that seems
to have dropped off some I'm not really sure why.
I don't know if that's a reflection of us, or
maybe it's a reflection of the times. But I've talked
to you about this multiple times. Behind the scenes, you
and I privately have talked about we are dealing with
a niche inside of a niche with this show. I
know it's not everybody's cup of tea, but I tell
you the engagement we got from last week. I did
get a couple of emails and a couple of private
messages from folks that.
Speaker 2: Clearly saw that I was struggling.
Speaker 3: I don't want this to be any kind of a
pity party, or me constantly coming on here and just
talking about my issues and me struggling or you struggling,
or whatever the case may be. But I think that
realism and that connection with the audience that we have,
it's what makes this show so special. At least I've
always felt that because we don't get an opportunity to
do that on our show. You do a lot more
than I do. Because you and Tiffany do a lot
of lives on the Bigfoot Report on your YouTube channel.
I don't do a ton of lives, so I don't
get a lot of time to express some of the
things that are on my mind sometimes frankly, the things
that are going on in my life that people may
or may not be interested in. So this show is
truly an outlet for you and I to be able
to do that. And I felt like we had this
huge connection early on, and I know we still do
with that core audience. Yeah, but frankly, I have been
a little disappointed that this show hasn't grown more than
it has, and I'm not blaming anybody for that, But
at the same time, you have to in this business,
and frankly, any content creator, you really have to rely
on and we do rely heavily on you, the audience
that are listening, because if you don't tell people about
this show, we can put out ninety seven episodes a
week and nobody's going to be listening because they can't
find it, they don't know what exists. And in order
to have an audience and build an audience, the audience
has to share the show with other people. So that's
where we rely on you, guys, We truly do.
Speaker 2: We ask you.
Speaker 3: At the end of every episode, Wayne always says, you
please rate and.
Speaker 2: Review, tell people about the show.
Speaker 3: But it really is the most important thing for us
because we do this show for you guys. We don't
necessarily do it for us. We do enjoy it. That's
why we keep coming back, or we wouldn't still be
doing the show, frankly, but it.
Speaker 2: Is for you guys.
Speaker 3: So if you enjoy the show and it's something that
you think other people would be interested in, please tell everybody.
If you tell ten people a week, you come in
contact with a lot of people at work, you come
in contact with a lot of people socially. Just tell
ten people. If five of them start to listen, much
better for us and it allows us to continue to.
Speaker 2: Do the shows that everybody enjoys.
Speaker 3: Enough of that, let's get into some of the things
that I wanted us to talk about today. You had
sent some things last week. We have a little bit
of an update on the Fox and Deer video. I
got something from a listener. His name escapes me. I apologize.
Right after that episode aired on Friday, I got a
couple of messages from a few people. One of them
was a link to a video that was basically calling
thinker Thunker out for his video breaking down this deer
Fox alleged possible sasquatch video.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was Big but Tony. The name just came
to me, the gentleman. The video you sent me was.
Speaker 1: Big but Tony.
Speaker 4: It was like his response to what thinker Thunker did
for the video there.
Speaker 3: You go in a nutshell. He sent it to me
and said, hey, you might be interested in this. I
clicked on it, I watched a few minutes. It didn't
take me long to figure out that clearly big pot
Tony thought this was some old dude walking out to
check his mail or something, and this was being purported
to be a sasquatch not only by person allegedly I
guess who filmed this, but in thinker Thunker's breakdown, thinker
Thunker is basically saying this is a sasquatch, right, yeah,
Bigfoot Tony saying hold on, time out tt I'm not
so sure about this. Not only did he say I'm
not so sure about this, I think you pretty much
came out and said thinker Thunker, this is a person,
and he even accused him. I think of maybe even
over exposing, over zooming in to maybe pixelate and maybe
even make this a little bit more blurry to fit
his narrative. And I even responded back to the guy
who sent this to me and said, oh God, I'm
gonna bust Wayne's bubble again. He's going to be so
pissed off. This seems to happen every time you fall
in love with a piece of footage. It happens to
all of us. You're not unique in this at all.
And then it comes out that Okay, by the way,
because I tell you just a little bit that I watched,
I'm not familiar with Big pot Tony. Maybe you can
tell us a little bit more about him, Wayne, because
I know you had some follow up with mevia text
saying there's been some issues with this guy as well,
so I want to get into that a little bit.
But before we just watching the few things that he did,
I was almost immediately Okay, that's clearly a dude. That's
not a sasquatch. Once he zoomed in and just cleaned
it up just to tad, I could clearly see what
looked like a white dude short round, but still the
white dude walking in this video. How did you feel
about that when I sent it? Are you on the
same page and talk a little bit about it if
you don't mind at least what you know the limited
amount of knowledge you have on this Bigfoot Tony guy.
Speaker 4: As you said, my bubble was completely busted. And to
talk about Bigfootony, I don't know a whole lot about him.
I just know the name. He like everyone. Some people
like him and others don't. But it seems like I've
heard more negative stuff about him. I don't want to
give the guy any unfair publishtity or anything like that.
I just don't know enough about him to really have
my own opinion of just things i've heard. Take anything
I say with a grain of salt. As far as
the video, not only does Bigfoot Tony break it down
and enhance it so much that you can tell this
is a white, older gentleman with a ball cap on,
and he's carrying a fucking stick. You can see clearly
enough that he's carrying a long stack either a walking stick,
but he's not using it like a walking stick. He's
carrying it in his hand sticking out, and Big Plutony
made the comment that it may even be a mop
that he's carrying, because it looks like there's something hanging
off the back end of it. I agree with what
Big put Tony was saying when he makes the claim
that shame on you, Thunker. You know that this is
a man. You have the same equipment that he does.
And Big Puttony was able to blow it up enough
where you can tell, in my opinion, definitively that it's
a man. I put this one to bed. That is
one hundred percent of a man now, as much as
I hate it, but he's blaming him, he's calling him
out and saying that Thinker Thunker purposely over whatever I
don't know the terms, that made it more blurry, and
he put up Thinker Thunker's image and then his image
side by side. Yeah, it's not in day difference. And
if thinker Thunker is as good as he claims, because
he's cleaned some stuff up before, he's good at that,
if he is as good as we all think he is,
then he knew this. He knew it. But he not
only made that video, he went on and made three more,
Part two, Part three, Part four, all of the same thing,
knowing the whole time that it was a man. Changed
my opinion of Thinker Thunker. My opinion has been going
that way for a while now, could Brian you said it?
His thinker Thunker eyism just don't always line up. So
I had been going that direction. When I first saw
Thinker Thunker, I thought he was the coolest thing ever.
He does an amazing job. Everyone watched this. If Thinker
Tucker says it, it's true, I'm not there anymore. If
this is the case, shame on you, dude. You gotta
do better.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent with what you said, but
I think I've come to the point now where I understand.
I wholeheartedly think Thinker Thunker's thinker Thunker reap always matches
up with exactly his narrative. Yeah, it always matches up
with exactly what he's pushing, which is growing subscribers and
getting people's eyeballs on his videos because that's how he
makes money. So it makes perfect sense to me that,
albeit a little bit dishonest, I think would be a
fair assessment to put out three or four videos about
this particular incident, stringing people along and making people think
that this is something that it's not. I think that's dishonest,
but it does at one hundred percent matches what he's
trying to do and his narrative, which is push the
Bigfoot narrative enough to get people's eyeballs on your video.
Because here's the thing. If Thinker Thunker did every video,
and he's done this in the past, I think he's
debunked things and said this is absolutely a person in
a suit or whatever the case may be. But I
think that's very rare because if you go back into
his catalog, ninety percent of the things that he says
are very subjective. They're opinionated. There's no real facts to
back any of the stuff up. And I don't know
what his background is. I tried to look into it.
I started digging into it today because I knew we
were gonna have a conversation about that particular video. So
I looked back nine years ago, Thinker Thunker did a
video on Sasquatch, Ontario. He pulled a piece of audio
where apparently Nef, which we all know is actually Dwayne,
was singing in this video or talking and he's saying
Robert or whatever he's saying. So Thinker Thunker did his
thing where he tried to mimic what was being said
in the video, and he's comparing it in the spectrogram
and he's got it pulled up and he's showing with
the highs and lows, and it's about a twelve or
thirteen minute video. But it's clear to me that he
is not making a definitive statement. He never says I
don't think this is a Sasquatcher. I think this is
a person. It's certainly within human range capabilities. But at
the end here I tried my best to finish out
the Robert and it goes higher in the Sasquatch Ontario.
So this voice is very unique. This voice is very special.
Not saying it's Bigfoot, not saying it's not. But okay,
if he took thirty two seconds to google Sasquatch Ontario hoax,
he knows it's a fucking hoax, just like everybody else,
because Dwayne admitted to being the voice of Neth. Just
the fact that you're not doing that, or you're doing that,
and you're still continuing to make these videos and leave
it out there ambiguously subjectively telling people that this may
or may not be a Sasquatch. I think it's just disingenuous, honestly,
and he's got I think one hundred and eighty thousand
subscribers on his YouTube channel. He's racking up the views
off of these videos. And I don't know what expertise,
if any of this dude has, What does anybody know
about him? Has he ever shown his face on any
of these videos? I'm not aware of him doing that.
There's no information, there's no contact. I've tried to contact
him before, still waiting three years later to hear back
from him.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 3: So I think it's really fitting his narrative, and that
sort of fits into some of the frustrations and some
of the things I've been frustrated with, and I know
you as well with the Big Book community. Is there's
nothing wrong if you want to have a faceless Facebook,
or you want to have a faceless YouTube, or you
want to have a faceless whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3: But if you're not being honest about what you're presenting,
and if you have all of these skills, and we're
supposed to believe all your thinker thunker isms and thinker
thunker ree when you say this leg is too long
to be a human, or this ar is way outside
the range of this, Okay, But I'm supposed to just
believe that on blind faith, because how do you know,
what are you using, what expertise do you have? But
I don't think any of that matters. I think it
ultimately boils down to people latch onto these channels. They
latch onto what they believe these people are telling them,
and the rest of it matters not And I think
it just does such a disservice. And there's so many
videos out there that he has analyzing things, and.
Speaker 2: People believe what he says.
Speaker 3: So if he says, like you said, if Thinker Thunker
says this video is legitimate, most of the people who
follow his channel are going to believe it's legitimate.
Speaker 2: But there's no proof.
Speaker 3: It's all innuendo, it's all suggestion, it's all his opinion.
And I just don't believe that's where we should be
going as far as this is concerned. Bob Gimlin is
another huge not V Bob Gimlin from the Patterson Gimlin film,
but Bob Gimlin on YouTube. He had a video up
that I think I sent you a link to. I
can't remember what state it was in. Let me see
if I can pull it up.
Speaker 4: It was upstate New York.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, the baby Bigfoot footage from upstate New York.
And then he has something about the Sasquatch Tree nursery.
He posted this two weeks ago, one hundred and twenty
four thousand views thus far in the last two weeks.
Mind you, I have seen this video before. I can't remember.
I'm pretty sure I think he actually talks about it
in the video. He talks about where finding Bigfoot did
a recreation and he actually shows a shot. I don't
know who that is in the tree that's doing this recreation.
Speaker 4: It was Bobo.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So if you look at this recreation and you look
at this video and his analysis, which I'm not going
to get all into all of the things that he
makes points about, but he does make a couple of
good points. There's no audio to this, at least what
he posted, and some people have come out and said,
that's a little suspicious.
Speaker 2: That's a red flag for me. Why would you take
the audio out of this video?
Speaker 4: So many reasons, so many reasons. Exactly of guys were drinking,
what have one of them uttered a racial slur or
made a bad comment about a sports team, or there's
so many reasons you take the audio out that's crap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I agree with you and Bob. I don't
think there's a big red flag there where there not
being in the audio here. But obviously i'd have to
go back and look or ask Cliff for Bobo, one
of them about what the outcome was as far as
they're concerned about this video and their recreation. But I
tell you, it's a compelling video. To me, it looks
like freaking monkeys swinging around in the fucking trees behind.
And as far as I know, there's no native monkeys
apes of any kind in upstate.
Speaker 2: New York that I'm aware of.
Speaker 3: So it's a very compelling video. But I do like
the way that Bob Gimlin approaches his videos. He obviously
gives his opinion, but he's not doing any of this
thinker thunkery bullshit where he's trying to measure things or whatever.
He just does common sense things. At least in my opinion,
it seems like common sense things that you and I
would do when we look at a video. How did
you feel about that particular video had you I've seen
that before, I send it to you, and what do
you think about it after you took a look at it?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had seen it before, and god, I'm getting
to a point now where I don't even want to
say if I like a video or because it's going
to come back is being debunked a week later. But
I had seen this many times, and this one, I
don't know how anybody out there will be able to
prove that this is anything other than some type of
monkey primate because this thing is swinging very high up
in the tree. We can't do that. We certainly can't
do that. And something that was new to me. I
had never seen the beginning of it, where it looks
like something tall is walking and you see it looks
like a conical shaped head passed by, just very briefly,
and then someone goes a step further, saying that it
looked like something jumped off of it and into the tree.
I didn't see all that, but there was something walking
on the ground in that area that was new to
me as well. Yeah, man, I just I don't know
how it's possible to argue that there's anything other than
some type of monkey. And like Brian said, don't know
of any non human primates living in upstate New York.
We do have a problem with people that purchase illegal
exotic animals for pets quickly find out it's too much
for them to take on. And what do you do.
You can't take it to the pet store. God, I
hope nobody go out there and shoot it just to
get rid of it. But what do people do. They
abandon them and go out in the woods and drop
it off. And what Bob was saying, what I agree
with is, of all the possible scenarios, an abandoned pet
makes the most sense to me. A close second is
a small bigfoot, because what else can it be it's
not a human.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, man, and that's why we
have twenty four but plus Burmese pythons down in Florida.
People get these exotic pets, and we all know the
urban legends. I grew up as a kid hearing about
the alligator that gets flushed down the toilet. And we've
all seen those horrible C grade D grade horror movies
from the eighties where they were doing these massive alligators.
Speaker 2: They were eating people. But it is true.
Speaker 3: But to your point, you are the sasquatch savant. That's
why you bring up things that we normally would not
talk about, because you are the master at figuring these
things out. I didn't see the thing walking either with
the conical shaped head, but given the fact that's present
in the video, I too, like you, did not see
whatever this was allegedly getting off of this thing's back
or shoulders or whatever and climbing up into the tree
like some people purport that they see. Yet if that
thing is present, and Bob Gimlin was pointing this out
several times in the video, that was one of the
first things that drew him to this was it was
an unusual body type shape, conical head, doesn't look like
there's much of a neck in the frame. And then
this smaller thing swinging around in the trees. What are
the chances outside of it being a rather large man
with a possibly conical shaped head taking his pet gibbing
out to play in the trees, and these people just
happened to film it at the same time. That's a
little bit of a stretch for me. Again, I'll go
back to Occam's razor, which I always do. The simplest explanation.
Maybe the explanation. In this case, maybe this wasn't somebody's
escaped gibbon and or somebody out walking their proverbial gibbon.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was.
Speaker 3: A sasquatch and a smaller one. They got to have
babies if they're out there and they're living. We've talked
about it before with some of the sightings that people
have had out an area X of these what they
look like chimpanzee size, maybe a little bit larger creatures
that they consider to be toddlers and or juvenile sasquatch.
So it just makes sense to me that it's possible
that what we're seeing in this video is a larger sasquatch,
maybe a mom or a dad, and this is possibly
a toddler or a juvenile swinging around in the trees.
It's certainly not a person.
Speaker 2: I think we can all rule that out.
Speaker 3: Whatever is in these trees is not a person. Again,
if Ockham's razor is wrong and it is actually Joe
or whoever the fuck that has a pet gibbon that
decided to go out and let it swing around in
a tree for a while, I guess that's possible. It
just doesn't seem plausible to me, so I don't know.
The jury is still out for me.
Speaker 4: It's another example of Brian in my opinion, it's another
example of why video footage and photos will never be enough,
because this is compelling. This is a non human primate.
There's no way it's anything but that. And it's still
not to confirm or to at least get a serious
study from some university to go out there and take
a more serious look at it. It's going to take a.
Speaker 3: Body, I agree, man. And speaking of serious studies looking
into bigfoot and non human primates, let's talk about Sasquatch Ontario.
Speaker 2: I wish I could have seen.
Speaker 3: The little shudder that Wayne did as he was waiting
with baited breath to see what I was going to say,
because he had no idea. So I always peruse the
interwebs before we get on to record these shows just
to see what's going on out there, And of course
I always look at YouTube right before these shows and
take a look at what our buddy Todd and what
our buddy Mike up in Canada are doing. And lo
and behold, what did Sasquatch Ontario post just mere hours ago,
Ladies and gentlemen, Another amazing live broadcast of over an
hour of amazing footage with Mike and Dwayne up at
Dwayne's cabin up in the remote area of Canada, and
some of the things that stuck out to me about this.
I really want to talk a little bit about this
because it was so funny. I scrubbed through. Obviously, I
don't have an hour plus to sit and look at
these two yahoos doing whatever the fuck they're doing with
their farting sasquatches and sasquatch selfies and marbles materializing. But
I did stop at a couple of highlights that I
want to talk about here. One of the things that
happened early on when they were talking about this is
they were talking about the fact that they believe Bigfoot
can do all of these amazing things. They're way beyond
anything we can ever imagine as human beings with all
of these amazing abilities that they have, And one of
the things they talked about is that they believe they
can speak through us. Now, they didn't really go into
any detail as far as whether this was mind speak
or if they're supposedly just putting these thoughts in our
brains and then they're being able to speak through them.
But Dwayne was actually speaking about this, and Mike got
very serious for a moment, and he had this look
on his face and he's we.
Speaker 2: Know they have that ability. I don't know if.
Speaker 3: He's talking about Nef being able to speak through Dwayne,
because clearly Dwayne is the one who is the voice
of Nef and always has been, so I'm not sure
about that. One of the things I thought was really
interesting he actually picked up this small cannon camera that's
probably six or ten years old at this point, and
he starts showing some of the pictures that he claims
that Sasquatch has put on this Canon camera while it's
been sitting on a table between he and Dwayne. They'll
check the camera there's no images, and they'll sit at
a table very much like they are in this live
video talking and then Mike will pick up the camera
to check for photos and he gets pictures and he's
showing them on the camera of the live So he's
pulling up this little, small handheld Canon camera and he's
pulling up these photos. One of them was from twenty
nineteen where it shows the eyeballs photo.
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Speaker 3: If you guys aren't familiar with that, it's pretty simple.
It's been debunked as a fucking stuffed fish. It was
hanging on the wall in either Mike's house or Dwayne's house,
and some of the videos people have actually done the
comparison and showed where this alleged sasquatch photo selfie if
you will, on this canon camera is actually a stuffed
fish that's hanging on their wall, and the eyeball matches exactly.
But he's got a couple of eyeball pictures allegedly on
this camera, and he shows that live on the live
So that's one thing then, as per usual in these
later lives, which is funny because I think this is
the third one they've done so far. And mind you,
this has been going on for twelve or fifteen years,
and these last three videos we've talked about this in
the past are the only times that Dwayne has ever
appeared on camera with Mike in front of the camera
for people to see him. But they're sitting there before
they go outside towards the end of the video. So
I skipped ahead a little bit, so let me backtrack here.
They actually are sitting there talking, and it's so funny
to me that these two yahoops that are talking about
some of the weirdest shit I have ever heard in
relation to Bigfoot, which is obviously one hundred percent complete
and utter bullshit. They are literally giving shit to people
because they start talking about the professionals in Bigfoot, and
they don't know anything because they don't have any real experiences.
He's alluding to, I'm assuming Jeff Mildram because he's talking
about anthropologists. He won't say names. He must have balls
the size of these fucking marbles that he claims that
Bigfoot materializes because he won't say anybody's name out in
public in front of everybody. Mike Patterson sasquatch Ontario fucking hoaxer.
So he's clearly talking about Jeff Meldrum, and then he
talks about the crypto linguist who he refuses to say
the name. I think Dwayne joked and said Smellson or something.
They're clearly talking about Scott Nelson because they've sent some
of their bullshit audio to him in the past, and
Dwayne said, and I quote Scott Nelson said it sounds
like a retarded sasquatch end quote. So if anybody's offended
by the word retarded, I am so sorry. They're talking
about people who are professionals and how they have zero
credibility in Bigfoot, but yet they do. But they do, Yeah,
exactly they do. They're talking about fucking marbles materializing out
of nowhere inside vocalizations. Dwayne told a story about remember
that one time I went out and I came in
and there was a feather or a stick or something
stuck in my ponytail that sasquatch did while they were
cloaked or they were invisible, I don't fucking know. Towards
the end of this video, they do what they normally
have done in the last few lives, actually go outside,
and Mike does this dramatic look into the darkness of
the woods, and it doesn't even really look like they're
that remote. I'm not really sure what's going on, but
I see buildings and shit in the background.
Speaker 4: An he's smart.
Speaker 3: They're in the Walmart parking lot.
Speaker 2: He's we're definitely not alone. Oh god, we're not alone.
Speaker 3: They're here, and they start walking around and Mike's looking
at his car there's a stick that was apparently placed
on the top of his car that wasn't there before
where he's always doing his audio recording. And then Mike
walks to the back of the car and look, Mike,
there's something in the back of your car.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, what is it?
Speaker 3: His car is dirty as fuck, and there's a smiley
face that wasn't there before. That sasquatch drew into his car.
That's new, that's brand new. That just happened. And then
Mike I scrubbed through. So I don't know what happened
right before this, but I fast forward a little bit
and then Mike's looking around. I'm gonna see if I'm
trying to find this marble. I'm looking for this marble.
It's like a bluish green marble. I'm like, how do
you know there's a fucking bluish green marble laying around?
So they look for this marble for a few minutes,
and then Mike is still looking for the marble, and
I hear it in the audio. It's hard because they're
walking on stones, so I can't say this definitively, but
it sounds like something dropped, like you took a rock
or something out of your pocket.
Speaker 2: It drops in front of.
Speaker 3: You, and Dwayne goes, look, Mike, there's a marble right
there in front of you, and he bends over and
picks up this little green marble. Because Mike is doing
this thing where he's there's something. Wait, is there something
in my pocket? Something's happening, Something's happening in Dwayne. I
don't know what's happening. Hold on, there's something happening. I
feel like I'm checking my pockets. There's something happening here.
When Dwayne says there's this marble in front of him,
Dwayne or Mike bends over and picks up this like
bluish green marble and he's there. It is that hit
me in the back. Second ago, I couldn't figure out
what was going on. It just materialized and hit me
in the back.
Speaker 2: And there it is.
Speaker 3: It is the wildest shit I have ever seen, dude,
And this guy has eighty two thousand subscribers on YouTube
and they are buying into this shit. Cook Line and Sinker.
If you don't believe me, all you have to do
is go and read some of the comments on this page.
Let me read this one comment here. Oh, this was
from five hours ago from.
Speaker 2: See through the Veil.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, he says, great work, Mike, I was watching
someone live yesterday. I tried to tell him their multi
dimensional beings and can be as solid as us, cloak
against any background, or be like spirits and enter your
home at will. He would not accept that. Told me
he studied them for ten years and has a thousand subs,
gets his whole family out in the woods doing tree
knocks and whoops. I told him when they do that,
it's not for us, it's for them to communicate with
each other. I told him, you have to put your
entire energy into trying to find them. They will definitely
come and check you out. It's about your energy. I'm
sure that you Mike and Dwyane. He couldn't tell me
anything about their structures. Sasquatch are not evil, and you
really don't want to have a bad experience with them because.
Speaker 2: You will lose.
Speaker 3: They have rules. They're always watching or tuned in. Some
humans think they know, but if they don't understand, I'm sorry.
He wrote, innerstand I N N E R S t
A N D. I understand the spiritual realms and it's
got absolutely nothing to do with religions. I hope those
people wake up. Don't worry about sasquatch, worry about your entities.
Speaker 2: Mike.
Speaker 3: I could talk to you you all day about resets
and history, and he puts his story. Thank you for sharing.
People were not on a spinning ball and know we've
never been to the moon. Please stop getting programmed by
your television. And he's got in quotations, tell.
Speaker 2: Lies to my vision. Okay.
Speaker 3: If that comment doesn't sum up his audience, I don't
know what else does.
Speaker 4: How does dude know any of this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but in all seriousness, man, obviously that dude has problems.
Speaker 2: He has issues.
Speaker 3: But there's so many more comments. I think there was
about thirty comments at this point on that video, and
the majority of them I didn't read anything that was negative.
I didn't read anything that was calling these guys out
for their bullshit. It's all piling on about how great
they are and this amazing research. It is clearly not happening,
and I tried to watch. Every time I watch one
of these videos, I try my best to put my
cop hat back on and I try to discern whether
or not Mike is being completely fooled by this Dwayne guy,
and I don't think there's any way that's possible. I
think Dwayanne is the majority of what's perpetrating this hoax.
I think he is the impetus behind this hoax. But
either Mike is completely and utterly batshit fucking crazy, or
he is one of the dumbest people that has ever
walked to the face of the earth, or he is
one hundred percent involved and complicit with this hoax. Those
are the only three options that we have to choose
from here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna ask you, Brian, what do you
think that these two yahoos, as you so eloquently describe them,
and I agree with do you think that they sit
around and openly discuss Yeah, here's what we're gonna do next.
We're gonna tell him this and I'm gonna have a rock,
I'm gonna have a marble hit me. I'm gonna say
a marble fell. And do you think they plan this
stuff or do you think they feed off of each other,
both of them knowing that they're both full of shit?
But do they feed off of each other or is
this like a planned, a scripted thing. What do you
think that.
Speaker 3: Is such a phenomenal question, dude, And honestly, I don't know.
I truly get the feeling, and it's only after this
particular video that I watched. I truly get the feeling
that Mike believes this on some level. I truly believe
he believes it, and I think that's why in some
cases we've seen him defend Dwayne defend their research so
many times. Honestly, how could you be a part of
this and Dwayne literally come out and say, I am
the voice of NEF There's videos, right, The truth is
out there for you to see. I've talked about it
so many times. It's out there. He has admitted this
as a hoax. Now, of course they backtracked and said
it was because of what was going on, the threat
to his house and all these things that caused him
to do this or say that.
Speaker 2: But we know that's bullshit.
Speaker 3: So I truly do get the sense. At this point,
I can't diagnose that.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 3: I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm not
any kind of a mental health professional. But I do
think he has at least, let's say, some personality traits
that may make him more susceptible to being hoaxed, and
I think Dwayne has capitalized on that for twelve to
fifteen years at this point, and I believe Mike may
be so invested in this at this point that he
is falling for everything that's happening because he's chosen to
believe it so many years ago, and it makes it
a lot easier for Dwayne. We've seen it from everybody.
You and I have been on camp outs with people
that you could tell right now. You and I could
be sitting around talking and having a good time at
our camp and we could point into the darkness and
say we just saw a sasquatch silhouette, and we'd have
five people that were sitting next to us go absolutely,
I saw it too.
Speaker 2: I know they're here.
Speaker 3: I felt them earlier. They mine spoke to me and
said that they were coming right. I think that's an
accurate thing for most people in this world, the Sasquatch
phenomena world that we live in. So I don't think
it's really outside the realm of possibility that Dwayne has
been pulling Mike's chain for so many years to the
point where I believe he truly believes that all of
this is happening to him, now, does it make sense
to me? I can't explain. And this is the only
thing that I'll contradict myself here and say, if I
were to sit with you just like we have plenty
of times before, across from each other, whatever, and if
I were to put a camera between you and I
never left either one of our site, and then I
picked it up and said, there was nothing on this
SD car, There was no photos here whatsoever. And then
I picked it up and there's photos on it that
would be weird, right, Yeah. So that's the only thing
that gives me pause is the fact that he did this.
It was a ten minute part of this video where
Mike picks up this fucking camera and says, we've done
this before, Dwayne and I have sat just like we
are now. I put this camera between the two of us,
and there were no photos on there, and then I
would periodically pick it up and check it during our conversation,
and there was this photo of an eye that they
put on this camera that never left our site. That
is the only thing that gives me pause, because that
is impossible. There is no possible way that happened. We
know that it's a physical impossibility. Bigfoot didn't come in
there invisibly and take a fucking selfie of its eyeball
between the two of these yahoos and it be on
the camera.
Speaker 2: So either it was there before he laid it.
Speaker 3: Down and he's lying about it. That's the only option. Yeah,
that's the only thing that gives me any pause.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know that it's very contradictoring. This is very contradictory.
I don't think that's a word. It's very contradictory to
what I said earlier. So I guess the ultimate is
they both got to be in on the hoax, at
least in some part. Maybe Mike believes part of it,
and then the other parts he's had to finesse along
the way to maybe prove the narrative. It's very similar
to the Todds standing thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I think Todd has probably had interactions with Bigfoot. I
truly think Todd believes Bigfoot exists. He just hasn't been
able to prove it. So he goes the extra mile
to solidify his position by hoaxing the videos and the
images that he has done in the past. So maybe
that's a part of it, I don't know. I think
beyond all of that is we're still talking about it
because people are still by eye into it, and I
think that is the true danger. By the way, there's
really nothing new for our buddy Todd over on his channel.
He's gone on natural, which I think is very interesting
for him. He always has some kind of a head
covering on in the past. I didn't talk about this
the last couple of videos, but he literally mentioned the
fact that he's now regrowing his beard out. So if
you guys have watched the Discovering Bigfoot documentary from I
don't know twelve thirteen years ago, he had that big,
massive beard. He's going back to that direction and now
he's taking the head coverings off and showing everybody his
bald head. And he said that's part of his journey
in Bigfoot is he's getting back to himself. He's getting
back to his natural self, and that's helping him in
his search for Sabe.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy for you, God that you're getting back
to your roots. I don't forget who you are, buddy ever.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be remiss if I didn't bring up
the back to my Roots Rue Paul song. We've always
got to come back to Rue Paul at some point
in time on the show.
Speaker 4: How does that eating fucking happen? But it does.
Speaker 3: Back to my roots. Todd is now bald again, which
he's always been bald. We just couldn't see it because
he had some sort of head covering on. But it's
helping him in his search for Sabe.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It floors me that there is so much of that
stuff out there that people are still following and paying
attention to and believing hook line and sinkers. I don't
know where to go from here. I just wish that
people would wake up, and I think it would come from,
as I alluded to earlier in the episode, people like
us who are trying to hammer it home for people,
that's not the shit you should be paying attention to.
There are professionals in this who do legitimate research, and
I think that's what we really need to be taking
advantage of and we need to be listening to. But
people just want to be entertained by the bullshit and
think that marbles are materializing and Bigfoot's drawing smiley faces
on the back of people's cars in the middle of
the night.
Speaker 4: Exactly why, as you were saying earlier, our show hasn't
seen the growth that we were expecting. And you just
told everybody why because people like you said, we are
a niche inside of a niche. There aren't a whole
lot of people out there that really believe in Bigfoot,
so we got that against us. And then when you
do find the people that believe in Bigfoot, all they
want to hear is about how you manage to escape
a Bigfoot, seeing a big Foot in their family, and
is all this stuff that's what they want to hear.
And then when you got a couple of guys that
are tired of the assholes that we just got through
talking about that are taking advantage of people and wanting
to talk about it and want to talk about real research,
that's not what people want to hear. So I don't
know how it's going to change. I don't think it
can change.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately, Lee, I don't think it ever will. But
as always, no matter what everybody thinks, we appreciate you
guys who do listen and do care about what we
say and are on the same page with us. We
cannot thank you guys enough. We just need more of you,
Like we said earlier in the show. So if you
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you tell about us. Tell people about the show and
let them check it out and make up their minds
for theirselves. But as always, Wayne, you get the last
word on the show.
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