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Leppincott's back. How you been man?

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Speaker 2: I'm well as well as you can be. In Kamala

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Harris's America, where it seems like we get to have

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an assassination attempt, you know every month? Is that?

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Speaker 1: What are we going to call this to Kamala cycle?

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If it happens every month.

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Speaker 2: I think Darren Beidi had a great tweet where he said,

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you know, you can tell if Joe Biden, if Donald

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Trump has won a given presidential debate, by whether or

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not there's an assassination attempt in the following week. I

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thought was astute and interesting observation.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. How's your how are your studies gone along?

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How are you you've done or what's going on?

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Speaker 2: No, it's great. So I'm currently three or five chapters

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deep on the dissertation, and so I'm working in the

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fourth chapter now and then getting in corrections to the committee.

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So the chapter I'm working on right now is on

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FDR and really the lead up to Pearl Harbor. So

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I'm focusing on the Muckedin incident in China, the Japanese response,

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Japanese articulation of their foreign policy, and then FDR's own

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approach to foreign policy. Right now, so finding a bunch

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of great stuff regarding the sort of pre war order

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as it was developing in the nineteen thirties. So I'm

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uncovering new stuff every single day, stuff that I hadn't known.

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So right now I'm getting into FDR's early articulation of

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his foreign policy. So that comes out in his vice

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presidential run in nineteen twenty, and it's really all there.

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I mean, I'm kind of surprised by how much of

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it is so early present. The same language he would

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use to describe World War two is the language that

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he would use then when running for vice president. Also

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a very nasty campaign. He said some pretty pretty terrible

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things about herding in that run. So very very interesting.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, the uh, it's interesting that the further you

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go and the more books you get, the more you learn.

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Like I really have taken on the Spanish Civil War

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as something that I want to know as much about

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as possible, and like there are tons of books right

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now that have not been translated out of Spanish, and

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like every every time a book gets translated out of Spanish,

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we learned something new. I mean, like like a like

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a huge, huge subject that's opened up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, something similar is happening with World War two.

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proto Indo European descended language, so it's relatively easy for

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Westerners to learn, but Japanese is not that way. So

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Japanese is much harder to learn to read, and reading

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older documents poses additional challenges. So, for instance, the language

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the Japanese of the Imperial Court is very different from

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ordinary Japanese as I understand it. So, you know, one point,

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when I was living in Japan while deployed there, I

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got interested in trying to learn the language just to

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see what it was like. And it arguably just it

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poses a very high barrier of entry for the ability

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to read and translate these documents. So so much of

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what we really honestly need in order to understand the

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problem there, definitely.

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Speaker 1: All Right, well, let's talk about what's going on at home. Yeah,

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we already mentioned it. Two assassination attempts of someone running.

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I saidate, yeah, you know, not like the assassination attempt

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on Reagan who had been elected or Gerald Ford who

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was in office. No, this is someone who's been president

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is running again. And it seems that and we can

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talk about the difference between the first shooter alleged shooter,

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and the second guy, because there's a there's a big

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difference in those But I mean, this is this is

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unprecedented and really in yeah, in twenty twenty four politics.

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just noting that, Yeah, it's like we've just gotten used

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that's a very dangerous state of affairs. I think what

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the Ukraine War is the single most important issue to

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the DC rulined establishment. Nothing else even comes close. Inflation, immigration,

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all the the the kitchen table issues that voters think

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are important in Washington, d C. War with Russia is

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the number one priority of both among Republicans and among Democrats,

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and you know, people are talking about well personally, I

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think the second shooter, that Ryan Ruscott, I think he

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totally met with some very high ranking Democrats and Republicans.

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how seriously they took him, but you know, like I

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put a tweet out where I asked Alexander Vinman, I said,

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did you ever meet with this guy? Immediately blocked doesn't

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answer the question. His wife is meanwhile, basically cheering on

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the assassination. No ears were harmed by this attempted shooting.

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So what I'm guessing. You know that guy was in Kiev,

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he was in d C. He lived in Hawaii. Allegedly,

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oh ha's three thousand dollars a month. But somehow he's

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all over the place. He's interviewed in the New York Times.

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This is the kind of crazy person who fifty years

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ago would not have been allowed anywhere near the center

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of power. Like that's not how that's going to go.

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But now you have major institutions gassing someone like this up,

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and it's a big problem, and it's it's yeah, it is.

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It's shocking that in this you know, twenty twenty four,

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this has just become part of our politics. And it's

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also as Elon must point it out, why are they trying?

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Why are all the assassinations going one way? Why are

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they all aimed for Trump? He's not in power, right,

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He's not the president, So why you know? And I

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don't mean that, you know, hopefully the Secret Service won't

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come knocking on my door. And I don't mean that

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because I want assassinations. I'm saying that should lead us

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to ask some very tough questions about the American political

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discourse right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, the second shooter, this Ryan Rath guy, if they

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actually set him up to do this, they're or moronic

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because he wrote a book, he's in a black Rock ad.

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He's what else he got arrested for and never since

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a prison for possession of a WMD. Yeah, like he

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got stopped in traffic and had a bomb and it

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turned into an escalated into a whole situation. Yeah, I

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mean this is but when you look at this guy,

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you have to wonder. Now obviously see I we know

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that he's met with countless people, countless people, Yeah, and

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he's been over there, done this. I mean has obviously

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has means yet it's so marvel brained. It's like so

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like he has that Marvel brain thing where it's like,

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well I'm gonna take a shot at the president or

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I mean, then he doesn't get they take him alive,

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there's something and he has a Harris Biden and sticker

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on his car. Man, it just seems you know at

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this point, if you're making fun I mean I've said

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some things about conspiracy theories where I'm just like, look

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the narrative if you can build a construct, a narrative

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off of these things. It's more important than the conspiracy itself.

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It's kind of hard to just it's kind of hard

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to just look and go, I mean this, how are

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you not a conspiracy theorist at this point?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have to do you have to be well, no, no, no, Pete.

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You have to understand people who are in power never

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work together to preserve their power, and the enormous, multi

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billion dollar national defense establishment would never ever, ever have

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anyone in there doing anything wrong. No, I think you're

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exactly right. And what's so striking to me is that

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you know, have you read this novel, the Joseph Conrad

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novel The Secret Agent. I highly recommend it. I'm recommended

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to your audience as well. He's in that novel. The

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main character is basically a fed. He's infiltrated a country

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on behalf of another power. But he's a radical designed

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to stoke you know, basically radical politics on behalf of

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this foreign entity. But the problem is he's basically a

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bullshitter who spends his time talking to other radicals and

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they don't do anything. Well, finally, the people who are

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paying his check are like, you need to do something

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meaningful with the money that we're giving you. So he

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ends up launch helping to launch this false flag attack. Well,

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he gets a mentally disabled guy to carry a bomb

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into a public square, and ways of what happens is

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is the mentally disabled guy blows himself up and it

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causes this whole chain reaction of idiocy and competence in Bowery.

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But there's a mixture of true fanaticism, you know, basically

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the workings of another power, and then you have people

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who are either insane or mentally retarded who are then

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caught up in that system and then weaponized. And I

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think we see something very similar in our own time

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like this. This is like just a picture perfect example.

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Conrad already had this over one hundred years ago on

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how the modern security establishment works. And so, you know,

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will we ever know this Ryan Ruth guy had state sponsorship.

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I don't know, but it sure looks really strange, and

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it looks it's just the pattern in the mount model

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of what's going on here. So people are right to

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Speaker 1: I think it's become painfully obvious over the last two

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and a half years. That to the regime. That and

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it's both sides the regime. There are very few who

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deviate from this, very few. Ukraine is Ukraine and Russia

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is incredibly important to them. Yeah, and at this point

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you have to wonder, okay, if you're it almost it

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almost seems like someone wants World War three, Like somebody

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wants these missiles to start going, you know, these missiles

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to start flying. Yeah, and well why why? And I

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haven't really formulated this, but normally it always comes back

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to something financial. Something is something in the financial system,

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in the world financial system. And I mean because I've

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never Iraq was never this important. Afghanistan, even though we're

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in twenty years, was never this is like, this is

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life and death to them. And I can't help but

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think that that's the reason why, you know, people keep

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trying to kill Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they know that he'll Yeah. I think there's definitely

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a financial element. I mean, their defense contractor is making

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a lot of money off of the war, So you

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very important. I really think the consensus view among most

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war of righteousness. It's being waged against eternal evil manifested

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in Vladimir Putin, who is you know, basically the you know,

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is the thirteenth in visible Hitler. He's the you know,

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the equivalent of the thirteenth in visible mom. You know,

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he's just constantly being reborn, this eternal evil fanos come

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back to destroy the world in the Marvel Cinematic Universe

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view of how foreign policy works. And so we've ended

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up with a foreign policy establishment which has all of

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the wrong motives. They have their cynical financial motives, there's

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crazy ideological motives, and then you know, you've got just

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the sort of blatant stupidity on top of all of this.

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You know, how many pants suited girl bosses are there

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in the State Department who believe you know, are kind

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of sublimating a problematic relationship with their father on of

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Vladimir Putin and using that to make policy. And I

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posted a thread about Sir William Browder, who's one of these,

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who was showing basically for deep strikes into Russian territory.

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the head of Communist part of USA for a time

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in the nineteen thirties and who was a known Soviet spy.

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and so he, you know, William Browder made I think

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he made two thousand percent return during the privatization period

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in Russia, so something like four and a half billion

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dollars by you know, snatching up these commodities in these

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the global markets. Many such cases, and there's a great

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wheeling and dealing that occurred. So a lot of these

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oligarchs have you know, extensive international ties and they made

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a lot of money, and they're mad at Putin for

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those reasons. So that goes to your point, there are

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financial incentives. William Browder was kicked out of Russia by

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Putin after being a putin ally because he, you know,

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whatever falling out he had with the other oligarchs, and

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you know, he claims it was all because he was

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anti corruption. And I don't trust a word any billionaire

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oligarch out of Russia is saying about what they did basically.

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But what's very clear is that these people have complex motives.

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They are a mixture of crafts financial motives, but also

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crazed ideological motives. And you know, and then on top

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of that you just have plain idiotic inability to think

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about the world. And that's a big part of the

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problem as well.

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Speaker 1: I asked my wife the other day, I said, if

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World War two started, who would get the blame for it?

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And I said it's going to be putin ye, And

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I said why because he invaded a neighboring land where

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everyone speaks everyone speaks the same language as him. Yeah,

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and he was doing that because his people got abused.

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His people were being abused. Oh wait a minute, I've

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seen this movie before. Somebody invade Somebody invaded a neighboring

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country because there was a city there that was the

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same spoke the same language, were of the same heritage

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as these people, and they were being abused by the

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Home government and then they get blamed for World War two?

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So is it any is it any reason why he there,

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they wouldn't prop him up as you know, invoking Hitler, Hitler, Hitler,

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when if they want to start World War three, he's

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going to be the one who's going to get all

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the blame.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think this goes back to the Marvel

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cinematic universe view of politics. You know, the complex geopolitics

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leading up to World War Two, especially in the East,

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are not well understood by Americans just simply. I mean,

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there's a lot that's going on there, the tension between

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the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, it was very real.

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I think there's a you know, Sean mcmeckon in his

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history Stalin's War does a good job of centering the

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conflict in the East and showing just how dependent Nazi

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Germany was on the Soviet Union, and so not only

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was there an ideological conflict in that case, but then

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there's also the geopolitical and resource conflict. And you see

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now now the way we think about World War Two

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is filtered through brutality on the Eastern Front. It's filtered

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through the Holocaust, when at the time no one among

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the Allies was talking that way. No one just that

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the plight of the Jews was assiduously avoided by Allied leaders.

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They didn't want to talk about it, and so we

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get these pinematic righteous good versus evil, which then it

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makes it impossible to think through the real causes of conflict.

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And so you can see that same intellectual framework playing

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out today. So you have Ukraine, which is a very

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recently created country, it's only about thirty years old, that

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has really had any sort of meaningful independence. And by

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the way, it's not independent. Ukraine is a basically as

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indefensible borders it has. It is in the immediate sphere

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of influence and interest of a much larger power, okay,

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And at the same time you also have Western governments

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with a lot of interests in that country. So you

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have these factions fighting all the time within your regime.

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You know, you can see a very similar theme played

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out in World War two and the lead up to

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the war in Poland, which is to say, Poland was

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caught between two great powers and needs to pick which

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one it's going to side with. In essence, the polls

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chose a third option in the British which was really

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that didn't work and it got partitioned by the two

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other great powers. If you just set aside, set aside

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the stuff that was done after the war, if you

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just look at it from that perspective, you can see

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immediately what the problem is is you are when you're

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a power like the Ukraine, you need to find out

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you can't really be sovereign in the ordinary sense. How

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can you be sovereign? What does that even mean when

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at any moment any Western government or the Russians are

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going to be deeply involved in your politics and determining

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basically who what government you're going to have. And so

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this is the problem. Again. We need to take a

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step back from the moralizing, marvel cinematic universe view of

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foreign policy and just look at the facts. A war

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with a nuclear arm power by the United States government

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would not be good for the American people period. The

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you know, and you have to look Warsaw was leveled

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during World War Two because of foreign policy decisions made

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by their government. They made mistakes and they paid for it.

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They were just basically brutalized by two great powers. And

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I think the Ukrainians are making very similar mistakes now.

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And it's like, how does this benefit you? What is

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your future going to be like after you take a

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million casualties in this war, Like the average age of

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a Ukrainian soldier right now is like forty five years old,

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and how is it? You know? And it's just it's

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sickening to see Westerners say moralize, oh, We're going to

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fight basically to the last Ukrainian It's just disgusting. There

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you're posting snuff porn on Twitter, watching Russians get blown

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up by hand grenades. It's like, this is sick stuff

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and it doesn't have anything to do with our national interest.

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And then then it's all, well, whose fault is this really?

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How about we try and avoid having a major war?

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How about we try that? And I get probably this

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is what I'm saying is extremely controversial, and I'll be

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labeled as effectively yeah, I mean it's what I will

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be seeing as villainous for advocating for peace, for advocating

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for not having major war. That's how messed up our

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politics are right now. And I think again, this is

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part of the reason why they're trying to assays Trump.

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And you see a Ukraine you know, Ukrainian activist if

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you want to call him that, try and kill the

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president because Trump wants peace. So that's where we are

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right now. It's a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: I think historically most of the most of the wars

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that you look at were for land or for a throne.

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They were very limited in scope, they were mostly local,

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and you can understand them. It's hard to understand them

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from the you know, post Nuremberg, post you know, post

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war consensus now where everything is made into morality, where

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you know, you can have a war where you know,

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where the people who are really paying attention know it's

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not about morality, but it's just it's a gigantic morality play.

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It could be about power, it could be about it

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could be an ethnic quarrel, it could be about money,

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could be about oil, it could be about resources. It

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could be about just revenge. But everything is painted as

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this moral you know. And when I look at war historically,

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it wasn't until I mean very recently, last couple hundred

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years where you really started people having people judge war

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from a moral standpoint. It was just always seemed it

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always seemed like it came with the seasons, you're going

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to have a war now, and this and that's where

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this is. So yeah, until I don't know, until we

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can get past this moralizing, this where everybody is held

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up any enemy of the regime is held up to

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you know, and looked at the Nuremberg defendants or you know,

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Adolf Hitler. Then we were just you're going to be

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able to make an excuse for any war. But you know,

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it's all bull because there are plenty of There are

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massacres going on in the middle of Africa right now

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that we're not involved. You know that we're we're not

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trying to stop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I would say I think part of the

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best parts of the Western tradition is the attempt to

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moralize war and to make it morally clear. But what

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that means, though, is much different than what these people

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are thinking. Right. And one of the innovations of the

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international law that comes out of the post Thirty Years

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War Treaty of Westphalia environment which basically dominates from the

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seventeenth century up and through basically World War One, but

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it was already coming apart slightly before. The point there

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is that at the individual level, of course, morality is

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involved in war. But the problem is is that other

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powers can't be the judge of that morality. So in

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a way you have to exclude the question of justice

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in order to bracket and limit the destructive power of war.

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Because if you say I'm on the side of the

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angels and my enemy is on the side of the devils,

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then that can legitimate doing horrendous evil. But in the

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name of righteousness, you know, if you're fighting a war

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for men's souls, then you need to not only defeat them,

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you need to exterminate the enemy, and you can moralize it.

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Every enemy soldier is a murder. What's the punishment for murder,

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It's death. So that means every war is a war

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of annihilation. But if you take that view, you turn

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you radicalize conflict. And that's what it happened in Europe.

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You had this disintegration of the older medieval order, which

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is complex in its own right, but you know, is

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the conflict between the power of the secular authority of

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the emperor and then papal power once you move in

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the state period. The brutality of Thirty Years War caused

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a sort of consensus to form among European powers. We

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need to make religion not the central cause of conflict,

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and we need to bracket the destructive power of war.

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And so how you do that is by removing the

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moral dimension, in part from the conduct of war itself.

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So what makes a war just is that it follows

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certain forms. An enemy needs to fight under a flag,

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they need to have a sovereign ruler, they need to

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follow certain rules of warfare. Certain weapons and tactics are

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off the table, and anyone who doesn't play by those

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rules they can face a war of annihilation. But if

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you play by the rules within the European context, then

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you're able to limit conflict and make them in a way.

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You're able to make war more moral, You're able to

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bracket it, You're able to bracket its destructive power. But

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by the time you get to Bolshevism, the Bolsheviks throw

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all of that out the window. They declare the entire

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prior existing system to be fundamentally illegitimate and brutal and evil,

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and so essentially the Communists are at war with the

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entire world. So under that framework you can't think in

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the older European terms, and we do see a return

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of the wars of annihilation. Everybody's a target. You see women,

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children's cities, civilians, non combatants, and eventually you lose the

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entire concept of the battlefield at all. You can just

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see like what Israel just did detonating these pages on

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these hesbela. You know, members, well it does. You can

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argue whether it's right or wrong. What I'm saying is

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that's no longer war in the traditional sense. You're basically

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using subterfuge. Line deception is the essence then of war,

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and so you can't just you don't just have a

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stand up, knockdown fight. Suddenly everybody's a target. Everything at

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any time, you could just be annihilated by an ied,

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even inside of a small personal electronic device. And this

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is a This is a very dangerous war. It's a

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dangerous situation, and it's a radicalized situation. I think the

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wars of the future will be so much more brutal

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and heartless than the wars that have been waged hitherto,

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you know, And I think unless we do something radical,

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I think the current international order will simply tear itself

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part in a very brutal fashion. We're going to see

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civil wars as this sort of civil wars insurgency, and

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then small states at war with large states and sort

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of brutal, grinding conflicts that don't really have clear, definable

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ends and can't really be ended in a meaningful way.

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That's the future unless we do something extremely radical in

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comparison to what we have now. And it's a it's disturbing.

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It disturbs me greatly.

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Speaker 1: Well, the whole pager story in Lebanon. I still need

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to find out more about it. I mean, I know

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it happened and everything, but it just seemed seemed odd.

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It seemed like it seemed like one of those things

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that could be propaganda where Yeah, but then right before

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we started recording, it was reported that explosions were heard

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and seen all over Beirute because walkie talkies and radios

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all of a sudden just exploded. And yeah, yeah, that

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just seems it seems really odd to me that that, yeah,

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that they would be able to pulse something like that off.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, yeah, I mean I I initially

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is kind of like, is this something that they figure out,

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that the Israelis figure out a way to make lithium

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ion batteries explode? I mean how I mean, it's it's

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a feat of subterfuge and intelligence competence to be able

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to hack into a supply chain and plant explosives, not

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have them detonate early, have them able to detonate and sync.

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Typically C four requires mercury, fulminate or some other substance

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to act as a blasting cap. And then you know,

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how do you preserve that over a long period of

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time without having problems in degradation. Somehow these Raelies figured

477
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out how to do how to do all of that.

478
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:53,200
But you know, the core political problem, of course remains,

479
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,920
which is, if you are Israel, how do you get

480
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,559
out of the circumstance in which you find yourself now,

481
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,480
which is to say there isn't it seems like the

482
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:06,039
Gaza problem, the Palestinian problem is just can endure indefinitely.

483
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:09,440
And on the one hand, Israel is the only nation

484
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,519
in the world which has an explicit exception to the

485
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:17,160
post nineteen forty five Order, which basically stated that European

486
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:23,160
settler colonial powers could no longer exist and you know,

487
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,160
a sort of ethno state, if you want to use

488
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,839
that term, was fundamentally illegitimate. So I think Israel itself

489
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:31,640
is two fundamental tensions that are pulling on it. Within.

490
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,839
One is that a faction of left wing Israelis who

491
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,200
would support they want Israel to be basically what I

492
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,720
call a gay liberal democracy. You know, Tel Aviv is

493
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,559
thirty percent LGBTQ. They have democratic elections, they want open migration.

494
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:50,519
They do not want to be associated with racial ethno nationalism,

495
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,440
they don't want to be associated with even religious Judaism.

496
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,559
So that faction is it odds then with a faction

497
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,720
that says they want Israel to have be it close

498
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:03,480
to dedicated to the preservation of the Jewish people, especially

499
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:05,920
in the aftermath of the Holocaust, and you know violence

500
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,880
within Europe and discrimination within Europe. But those two factions

501
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,680
are intention And one of the most striking things to

502
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,440
me was right before the October seventh attacks occurred, Israel

503
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,480
it self seemed on the verge of civil war. I mean,

504
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,519
it seemed like those two factions after that election, it

505
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,720
could come to blows. And I have some friends who

506
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,440
are Israeli and who or acquaintances really and you know

507
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,920
the way they were talking to other Israelis talk about oh,

508
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,400
I mean very that was probably some of the most

509
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,319
anti Semitic comments I've seen made were made in the

510
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,640
context of these two Israeli factions fighting with each other.

511
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:47,839
And I think it's basically what Israel is being kept

512
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,920
together by fighting these external enemies. But these external enemies

513
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,599
can't really be permanently defeated in any sort of meaningful way.

514
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:56,240
They haven't been able to find a solution. So what

515
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:58,599
do you do, well, what's the long term strategy? How

516
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,799
do the Israelis get out of the in which they

517
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,359
find themselves? And I think it's an extremely difficult political problem,

518
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:07,839
and it goes beyond the sort of crass Zionism or

519
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,720
crass anti Zionism which dominates our politics, which is a

520
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:18,039
mixture of theological interpretation and then ethnic narcissism fueling it.

521
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,319
But but the core political problem is is basically unexplored,

522
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,240
nobody's really trying to deal with in a serious and

523
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,559
systematic way. And I don't really know what the solution

524
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,839
is in the sense of, you know, as America, we

525
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,359
keep getting drug into this, and then a question becomes

526
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,079
what do we do going forward? Because I think we're

527
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,279
going to see retaliation for the Pager attack and we're

528
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,920
going to see you know, continuing space of violence in

529
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,240
Gaza and the West Bank unless something meaningful is done,

530
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:50,400
and I don't I think it's a very difficult problem

531
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,279
for Israeli policymakers and for the world order as a whole.

532
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,440
It is a problem.

533
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: I've been saying that I think that the only way

534
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,960
that they are going to survive is to become a

535
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:09,799
multicultural Western nation, and if if history proves anything, they

536
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:15,680
probably will, because I mean, all every Western nation is

537
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720
to come to it, you know, I think they're going

538
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:23,279
to They're going to reach the point where they realize

539
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:32,319
Iran is producing superior missile technology to them and to

540
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,920
the United States as well, that apparently now the Huthis

541
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,839
have this missile technology hypersonic, and I think that there's

542
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,319
going to get to the point where that left that

543
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,200
culturally left you know, we just want to let we

544
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,759
just want to quote unquote live our lives, classical liberal

545
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,799
That's the only way they survive because they're surround their vietomies.

546
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:04,079
The Iron Dome. It's the Iron Dome. Is is bull

547
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,400
and Iran has already proven that they can hit them

548
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:11,839
pretty much whenever they want.

549
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a huge problem. I think you could

550
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,519
be right. I mean, but I think what that will

551
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,519
mean then is basically the end of Israel as the

552
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,079
Jewish state that I don't see how that goes together.

553
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:28,039
I mean, they would they could have open borders, you

554
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,559
could let you could integrate Palestine or Gaza, whatever you

555
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:32,799
want to call it. You can integrate them into the

556
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:37,400
Israeli regime, give them full citizenship rights. But then you don't.

557
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,200
They're going to have their own interests, and those interests

558
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,599
are not how did those go along with the sort

559
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,359
of fanatical they become. They become America, right, but then

560
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,079
how to have but their circumstances, they're kind of explicitly

561
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,480
not that. And the whole justification is, well, this is

562
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,880
you know, never again. I think when the Israelis did

563
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,160
their first nuclear test, the atomic warhead that they developed

564
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,039
with the help of the French had the words in

565
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:11,000
Hebrew never again welded onto the outside of the warhead. Well,

566
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:13,960
so how's that going to go? I mean, you've you've

567
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,639
spent all these years basically saying these people are gonna

568
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,119
factions within Israel saying people are gonna genocide us if

569
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:22,679
we allow them into the regime. And who knows. I mean,

570
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,199
I know I have zero sympathy for Hamas. I mean

571
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,599
I someone great response, who do I want to win

572
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,159
in the Israeli himos War. I want America to win

573
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,000
whatever the American interest is. That's what I want to

574
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,679
have prevail. Who do I want to win the Ukraine

575
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,039
Russia conflict. I want America to win what Americans to win. Again.

576
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,760
You know, that's a very radical statement now because sort of.

577
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,079
Speaker 1: But when you say Americans, you're talking about you and me, right,

578
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,079
But if America wins the way it is now, that

579
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:04,840
means that this government that Thomas Massey has proven is

580
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:09,599
completely occupied by a foreign power, wins either way.

581
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: Well, And I think that's part of the problem is

582
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,199
we have a ton of foreign interference happening in our politics.

583
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,920
I mean, and it's it's it's a lot of powers.

584
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,239
I don't think I don't think it's just one. I

585
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,480
think it's a lot. I mean I think daily. I mean,

586
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,920
it's like the Egyptians bribing the United States senator that

587
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:27,559
just kind of disappeared out of the news, like, yeah,

588
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,199
that's true. He had a five hundred thousand dollars you know,

589
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,280
in gold whatever. That's just the ordinary politics. I mean, Katar,

590
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,719
Saudi Arabia, I mean, oh my gosh, I get those

591
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:42,239
guys are all over the place. Total infiltration of American institutions,

592
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,679
and then you've got the Chinese. You've got you know,

593
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,239
a growing Indian influence, which I think isn't so politically powerful,

594
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,599
but probably will become so at some point. You've got Israel,

595
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:56,679
You've got Ukraine, You've got even European, different factions within

596
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,800
Europe that are also exercising power. Here in America, we've

597
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,039
just basically jettisoned the Farewell Address and Washington's advice. We

598
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,639
are proving him right every single day. So you know,

599
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,800
if we abandon your sovereignty to be bound up in

600
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,440
other people's problems and you're politically connected, that's going to

601
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,760
have effect domestically. So Hillsdale County, which has all sorts

602
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,679
of problems, you know, devastated by the industrialization, devastated by offshoring.

603
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,280
Nobody cares about that. I mean, our Congressman Tim Wahlberg

604
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,079
went to Ukraine for something like two weeks in twenty

605
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,239
twenty two or twenty twenty three, and I was like,

606
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,920
I have not seen that guy do a town hall

607
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:37,039
in the last two years. I don't even I've never

608
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,239
seen I don't even know what he does. But he's

609
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,840
got time to go to Ukraine. But meanwhile, we got

610
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,039
problems here. And the point is is, right now, the

611
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,239
people of Hillsdale County are losing the Ukraine War, they're

612
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,039
losing the chemical war with China, and who cares about

613
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,599
it other than maybe JD. Vance and Donald Trump. There's

614
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:58,760
almost nobody who really in power, who's really interested in

615
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,679
ordinary marriage. And it's it's depressing, it's depressing.

616
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,039
Speaker 1: Well, it definitely does well here before we before I

617
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:13,119
get into that, you had mentioned earlier nineties Russia when

618
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:20,800
they just moved into rape the land Constantine kissing recently

619
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,000
has uh I'm sure, do you know he is?

620
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds very familiar.

621
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got this triggerometry podcast, and he really really

622
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:33,920
got upset that Darryl Cooper was on Tucker Carlson.

623
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: You know, uh, yes, okay, I know what you're talking about.

624
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: So he did this this video about the woke right,

625
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,000
and when you understand what he's saying, so he's basically saying, okay,

626
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,559
so the woke left looks at all of these myths,

627
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:56,360
like the founding myth, the you know, the founding American myth,

628
00:37:56,559 --> 00:38:02,960
the you know sixty sixteen oh four, I mean, anything

629
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,760
that we would be proud of the founding of the

630
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,440
Virginia Colony, Massachusetts colony, anything, and they need to destroy that.

631
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,920
And what he's saying is he's saying that the woke

632
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:18,440
right is seeking to destroy the other myths they're seeking

633
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,079
to destroy, like the myth of World War Two. And

634
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,000
he didn't mention this myth, but it's one. There's a

635
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,800
couple that. There's a couple I'd like to destroy, like Lincoln,

636
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,880
the Lincoln myth, I'd like to destroy, the Civil Rights

637
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,599
Act myth that that was good for that was good

638
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:39,960
for America. And it basically what it comes down to

639
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,079
is we're in a basically, we're in a war over myths,

640
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,800
and the regime in charge is being propped up by

641
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,440
the myth of the Civil War, or the myth of

642
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,400
World War One, the myth of World War two, the

643
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,360
Civil Rights Act, Brown versus Board of It, all these things,

644
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:09,639
and if you try to take those down, even people

645
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:13,800
who would voting for Donald Trump will lose their minds

646
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:18,639
because they've actually bought into the founding myth of this regime,

647
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,159
which has really nothing to do with the founding myth

648
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,320
of what is America.

649
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,079
Speaker 2: Well, and I'd say what you're saying right now, whether

650
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,480
people can fight about all of this stuff, but the

651
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:35,639
point is they're going to fight about it, whatever your

652
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,440
view of all of these things are. The last four

653
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:42,480
years have caused an intense decline in legitimacy within the

654
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:46,159
American regime, and so you see an all out You're

655
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:48,519
going to see increasingly the left wants to attack the

656
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:53,159
American heritage or American history, and the right is going

657
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:55,679
to start looking at the founding myths of the liberal

658
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,639
establishment is going to start attacking them. And whether they

659
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:00,519
get it right or wrong. You know, I've got a

660
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,440
view of Lincoln which is often at odds with the

661
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,840
sort of contemporary right wing account quote unquote. But the

662
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,800
point is people are now going to fight about this stuff.

663
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,800
They're going to have arguments over things like the Civil

664
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,440
Rights Act, over World War two, over Vietnam, over World

665
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,079
War One, over the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, COVID, all

666
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:24,400
of it. It's all on the table. And I had

667
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,719
this tweet where I said, look, World War two revisionism

668
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,559
is inevitable. It is inevitable because you've seen a decline

669
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,679
in legitimacy, and there's going to be some good consequences

670
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:36,480
of that, which is, I think you're going to see

671
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,599
serious people try and address problems like with a sort

672
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:43,920
of standard you know what I call the Band of

673
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,800
Brothers Marvel cinematic universe view of the conflict, which is,

674
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,239
it prioritizes the Western Front, which is not the centerpiece

675
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,960
of the war. It's just not you know, people getting

676
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,400
into the facts. They're going to want to talk about

677
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,960
these things in a serious way. But at the same time,

678
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,360
it just means we're going to have a harder, harder

679
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,159
time having loyalty to among unity among the American people.

680
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,119
I mean, half of the country thinks that Donald Trump

681
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,519
is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, and the other half

682
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,360
thinks that he's, you know, the greatest president of the

683
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,800
post war period. How do you make that go together?

684
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,320
How do you make this go on? It's a huge

685
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,760
political problem. In a way, America faces the exact same

686
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,840
problem that Israel faces today. The right wing and left

687
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,000
wing factions fundamentally want two totally different things for the country.

688
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:31,679
And you know, while I think Israel needs to solve

689
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,000
its own problems and it needs to have its own

690
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,199
sovereign existence, there is a lot of similarity between all

691
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,679
of these Western countries, and we are going to have

692
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,320
to find a solution and it's gonna get and I

693
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,039
just increasingly think the solution finding is going to be ugly.

694
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,360
I think Donald Trump right now, it's like we are

695
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,239
the hour is so late. We might already even be

696
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,719
past the point of no return. Trump winning will at

697
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,360
least buy some more time, I think, But you know,

698
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:04,119
they could do crazy stuff. I mean, could you see

699
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,119
nuclear war in response to to Trump winning? I don't

700
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:09,679
think it's beyond the pale. And I think you could

701
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,599
totally see these client organizations, these communist militias like Antifa

702
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,800
hit the streets, engaging in systematic violence. And what are

703
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,079
we going to do then? What do we do if

704
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:23,119
they succeed in assassinating Donald Trump? What do we do

705
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:28,480
as a patriots, as ordinary Americans? What's the solution then? So, yeah,

706
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,360
we are totally we are totally at the point in

707
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,280
which all of this stuff is going to be open

708
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,760
for disbate and discussion. And it's a pity it didn't

709
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,280
happen sooner because I think it would have helped clarify stuff.

710
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,039
And there are people gonna be mad, They're gonna be

711
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,119
people who are mad at what I'm saying right now,

712
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,480
because I'm saying these debates are going to happen, and

713
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:50,960
in a way they've needed to happen. We need to

714
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,320
be clear on these things. They're gonna be mad. But

715
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,679
I'm on the I'm on the cutting edge of social evolution.

716
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,440
I'm right on this one, and it's it's there's no

717
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,480
avoiding it through propaganda or browbeating. It's not going to work.

718
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:07,679
It's not going to work on young people, especially well.

719
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest problems we have in

720
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,239
this debate is the fact that we don't have our

721
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,719
people in power, and it allows the people who are

722
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,280
in power, who are completely at odds with us, to

723
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,079
do things like take a town of fifty five thousand

724
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:31,199
people and import twenty thousand Haitians into it, right, which

725
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,440
is which is basically it's an act of war. It's

726
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,079
a It's basically like just introducing a bio weapon into

727
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:48,719
a population. And it has nothing to do with we

728
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,920
don't have the resources to house and we don't have

729
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:59,039
you're importing a probably in the Western hemisphere, the most

730
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:09,000
anti West during culture that there is. And so now

731
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,920
they're showing up everywhere. Zero Hedge put out an article

732
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,679
today talking about how some ex Wall Street Journal journal

733
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,920
uncovered that the hub of an alleged migrant trafficking network

734
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,719
is in Springfield, Ohio. They're naming a naming a gentleman

735
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,840
named George ten they call him King George up there,

736
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,440
who is living in a palatial mansion that he's making

737
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,239
millions off of this. And then you look around and

738
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:48,119
those of us who've looked into localities and how in

739
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,199
debt they are, and how so many localities are leveraged

740
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,320
to the hill and they're willing to be bribed into

741
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,000
taking people, you know, introducing masses and masses of people

742
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,400
into populations where there is nothing they no one can

743
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,519
speak the language, there's no jobs for them, there's no

744
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:12,400
place for them to say. It is just basically, it's

745
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,320
an assault. And this is the problem when your enemy

746
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,719
is your enemy is in charge, and you're at basically

747
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,119
and you're in a point right now of a threat

748
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:28,599
that's existential in nature.

749
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and it's in the hands of liberals. Immigration

750
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:34,639
is a terror weapon. That's what they view it as.

751
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:40,559
This is revenge for white supremacy, racism, living a normal life.

752
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,800
I mean it. The Mystery Grove had a great tweet.

753
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,880
He's like, you know, and I'm gonna paraphrase, he's, you know,

754
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,679
communism is when people who are ugly and vicious make

755
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,719
it illegal to be normal and then try and steal

756
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,000
all your stuff and kill you. That's what it is.

757
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:57,679
It's just pure resentment all the way down. In a

758
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,199
just world, Joe Biden would be Precinct Captain somewhere in

759
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,800
Pennsylvania yucking it up with other Trump voters. Because in

760
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,159
a good universe, Joe Biden is a Trump voter, he'd

761
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:10,760
be yucking it up with a firehouse at the fish fry.

762
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,880
He'd be, you know, active in local politics. But no,

763
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,360
this guy is now president of the United States and

764
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,679
he knows he doesn't really belong there, and he's mad

765
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,159
about it. He's angry about Kamala Harris is the same way.

766
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,800
Doubt She's said on tape. She's like, the thing I

767
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,960
really want to do is open a restaurant. It's like,

768
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,320
that's what you should have done. You should have run

769
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,960
a restaurant instead just gassed up on these delusional views

770
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,719
like I need to be in charge of stuff. It's like, no,

771
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,119
you don't. You don't need to be in charge. You

772
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:38,840
shouldn't be in charge of not smart enough for it,

773
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,719
you're not talented for it. It's not good for you

774
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,199
to be in charge. You should live a normal, decent life. Nope,

775
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,079
I gotta go be at the peak of some international

776
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,000
financial trafficking network so I can make all this money

777
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:54,800
and use my political prestige and power to hook up

778
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,480
my failed son with, you know, more money than he

779
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,880
knows what to do with. That's the Biden mentality. And

780
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,039
so what you're saying right now, you know, of course

781
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,000
there's an active you know, you use the term bio weapon.

782
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,920
I want to use the term chemical weapon, because that's

783
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,639
what happens with our migration policy. We bring in fitnol

784
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:12,679
across the border, which is then used to kill ordinary

785
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,159
Americans on the street one hundred thousand a year, probably

786
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,079
more at this point. I don't think they report all

787
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,519
the opioid overdoses correctly. So you have chemical warfare being

788
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,320
waged on the American people. And where is anybody in

789
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,679
power to do anything about it? Nobody, No, because they

790
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:29,920
don't care, and actually they like it when it happens

791
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,280
that's the real It's like libs being just on the

792
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,519
verge of cheering on the assassination attempts. You just they

793
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:38,000
want to they wanted to say, that's awesome. We wish

794
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:40,760
they would succeed in killing Trump because we hate that guy.

795
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,079
And so you see them just everything becomes And by

796
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,280
the way, it's bad for the Haitians to be here.

797
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,800
They're being they're being trafficked. It's human trafficking. You can call, oh,

798
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,000
i'm a it's all these churches. Oh, we're do gooders

799
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,000
helping refugees. No, what you're doing is helping corporations. The

800
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,960
Democratic Party movement quote unquote workers slash political clients in

801
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,800
the United States. In the Haitian case, it's more political

802
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,400
client than worker. But it doesn't really matter. The whole

803
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,039
point is this is wrong. It's evil. You're facilitating invasion

804
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,079
of our country, but bringing in people who should not

805
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:13,840
be here, who do not are not going to make

806
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,960
good American citizens for all kinds of reasons. And I

807
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,440
don't want to rule over the Haitians. I don't want

808
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,119
to do I don't I don't want to mess with them.

809
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,239
I don't want I don't want I want them to

810
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,679
live their life on Haiti, and I want them to

811
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:29,320
stay there. I wanted to. I wish it. I wish

812
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,280
it were Wakanda. I wish it were perfect. I wish

813
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,400
it were filled with technology and you know, social success.

814
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,320
But I don't want to have to pay for it.

815
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,519
I don't want to rule them without their consent. I

816
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,360
don't want to rule them with their consent. I don't

817
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,360
want to rule them period. And I don't want to

818
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,880
have them here where you then have all of these

819
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:49,800
there they are ponds and this political struggle that's playing

820
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,039
out between the right and the left, and it's why

821
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:55,320
why are we doing this? There will be consequences for

822
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,519
generations based off of the policies we're making now and

823
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:00,840
all that could have been avoided. And I wish it

824
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,639
would have been I really do. I really wish it

825
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,519
didn't come to this that where we have to have

826
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:08,400
this conversation. I wish the nineties consensus would have sustained itself.

827
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,239
It probably could have gone for lace one hundred, two

828
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,960
hundred years, but nope, nope, Resentment got to win out

829
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:17,079
and then you get this this absolute mess.

830
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that really got to me

831
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:25,800
the other day was people on our side saying that

832
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,559
we have to not act like victims. And you know,

833
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,199
you look at this McGregor guy who has this metal

834
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,480
these metal factories in Springfield, who does an interview where

835
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,599
he talks about how you know, well, you know people

836
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:45,840
around here, they know the Haitians show up and they work,

837
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,000
and they show up on time, and they're not hooked

838
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:52,239
on drugs. And and someone's telling me, they're like, oh, well,

839
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,519
you know, if you complain about this, you're just making

840
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,800
You're becoming I'm not going to become a victim class

841
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,840
and everything. I'm like, do you know the truth behind

842
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,800
the fentanyl epidemic? I mean, do you know the truth

843
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:07,960
behind the opioid epidemic that was targeted into small towns,

844
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,760
that was targeted into the poorest and whitest areas. This

845
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,480
all came out of emails. They call them pillbillies. They

846
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,079
said that they were going to they were going to

847
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:24,000
get them hooked. And these people are victims. I'm sorry,

848
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:28,079
I'm not going to just because my enemy uses that

849
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,519
as as a weapon, it still makes it true when

850
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,480
when it happens to my people.

851
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,559
Speaker 2: Well, and I would say, like, I'm not a victim, right,

852
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:39,119
Like I'm not I'm not hooked on drugs or something.

853
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:43,280
I'm a middle class guy. And I think that's but

854
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,920
it's right. These people have been They've been chewed up

855
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,719
and spit out by a system that does not care

856
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,519
about them and actively seeks to destroy them. They just

857
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,280
nobody cares about the plight of the white working class. Nobody.

858
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,719
I mean, I think Donald Trump cares. I think JD.

859
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,559
Vance cares. I think that's because he came out of

860
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:01,800
that system. It's in a Saint Vance's arc is indicative.

861
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,960
You know, the guy goes to the East Coast, all

862
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,440
these fancy, you know titles, big university, lots of money,

863
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,840
he adopts, you know, basically liberal norms. Well, when he

864
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,840
finally goes back home, it's like he's getting in touch

865
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,239
with his roots again and he remembers, that's right, you

866
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,639
aren't really part of that class. You don't really belong there,

867
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,800
and you never will. They'll never accept you fully. You'll

868
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,920
to them, to those in power, You'll always be a

869
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:28,719
pillbilly from Ohio. And I think what you see is

870
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,199
someone who's talented like JD coming back home, reshaping his

871
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,880
politics to align with where he knows he needs to be,

872
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,719
and there's something very admirable about that. I really am

873
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,840
impressed by Vance and by his willingness to change his mind.

874
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,280
But you know, I do. I think we need to

875
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,559
stop this. I want life to be good for my neighbors.

876
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:51,639
There's a big discussion about this among what I call

877
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,679
the religious left on Twitter. You need to be nice

878
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:57,239
to your neighbors, and that means refugees, The New York

879
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,199
Times says, are the real Americans. And I care about

880
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,159
my actual, real physical neighbors who live here. Now, that's

881
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:08,360
what I care about. I want their lives to be

882
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,280
better they are. You know, I think there's so much.

883
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,360
There's a lot of differences between me and them, and

884
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,280
I don't think I should. I'm not gonna lie about

885
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,000
what that is. You know, most of my neighbors do

886
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:23,000
not have PhDs. They're not trying to get one. That's fine.

887
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,199
But what we do have in common is we live

888
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:26,920
in the same community and we can be at peace

889
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,639
with one another. Like my neighbors and I both share

890
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,679
long standing ties to America, and for better or worse,

891
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,000
we are in it together, and we deserve to be together.

892
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,320
And they need people my neighbors need me to do

893
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,000
my work, which is to protect them from the enemies

894
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,239
that are They can't even understand. I mean, they're just

895
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,159
taken completely by surprise, Like they the people who just

896
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,239
live like, well, I'm living my normal life. Why am

897
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,320
I under attack? And they it's hard for them to

898
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,960
process just how all this happened. And that's why you

899
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:03,639
need the unity, unity between these different between the different classes,

900
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,480
between just just a standard like we this is our country.

901
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,559
We need to defend it. We need to get along,

902
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,079
and we need to seek a joint aim and that's

903
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:16,639
something to be aimed for and to be pushed as

904
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:19,440
a political project. And I'm glad Donald Trump is saying

905
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,440
what he's saying. He's helping make that happen. I think

906
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,079
it's a good thing.

907
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,079
Speaker 1: Do they let him be come pressing it?

908
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,559
Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna win that. I'll put my name on that.

909
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,079
But it's harder to say on that. I think maybe

910
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:43,360
I'm just a Pollyanna. But I do think he will win.

911
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,000
I think he will take office, but I think there'll

912
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,480
be a lot of chaos behind the scenes and coming

913
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,840
down the pike. I mean the Summer of Love twenty

914
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,559
twenty will be the model going forward. That kind of

915
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:56,360
thing will come back.

916
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: Do you think he you know, he started using this

917
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,159
term as term that I've been using for a while.

918
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:09,760
I'm sure he didn't hear it from me, remigration or

919
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:16,320
reverse migration. I have I know people who are more

920
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:22,760
deep into like the financial system, like the legacy financial system,

921
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,039
the financial system that most libertarians and most people would hate,

922
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:30,960
And they say, basically, we are the economy is going

923
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:34,079
to something really bad is going to happen with the

924
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:38,880
economy if at least twenty million aren't sent out, aren't

925
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:41,880
aren't returned, And they said it really has to be

926
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:47,880
more like forty million. Those numbers seem insane, right, But

927
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:51,519
does he do does he do it? Does he is

928
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,360
he allowed to do it? If he does it, does

929
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,360
a civil war kickoff? What the what happens?

930
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: Well? That's hard. I mean, like you said, it's so,

931
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:03,480
it's that's where my crystal ball fails me. Do I

932
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,159
think he's gonna try? Yes? I think he has changed

933
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,840
since twenty twenty and twenty sixteen especially. I think he

934
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,119
gets at least in part I cannot simply just play

935
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,559
ball with these people. They're out for me. The assassination

936
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,800
attempts are not moderating Donald Trump. They're making him more

937
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,079
firm and insistent. And he you know, I noticed he

938
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:29,599
talks a lot less about legal immigration. It's like, these

939
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,400
people gotta go. And it's true, these illegals have to go.

940
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:36,000
I est themate. There's anywhere between forty to sixty million

941
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:38,519
in America. Now, I think the twelve million numbers complete,

942
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,719
that's not real, that's not real at all. They don't know.

943
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,400
I think in the last three and a half years,

944
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:48,920
my guess is they're probably averaging five to ten million

945
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,920
people per year. I mean, they don't even know. But

946
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,440
and they're facilitating a bunch coming in. They don't keep

947
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:58,840
accurate records intentionally, there's all kinds of stuff that goes

948
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,679
into this. So remigration, well, yeah, there's a big numbers.

949
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,320
But if you think a lot of these migrants are drifters.

950
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,199
They are here to make money and to get benefits,

951
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,159
and if you make it difficult to do either of

952
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:13,599
those things, many of them will just leave or they're

953
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:15,760
just they won't like being here and they're not going

954
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,519
to come so yoused to I mean, how do you

955
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:20,159
eat an elephant one bite? At a time. And so

956
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,360
I think the biggest thing Trump could do is just

957
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:26,079
tax remittance payments to other countries. Well, you know, if

958
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:27,679
you go into San Diego where I used to live,

959
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,000
all of these all they have aways like you can

960
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:32,679
go to like predominantly Hispanic Mexican neighborhoods. They've got these

961
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:36,119
little you know, corner store and it have a sign

962
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,320
for Western Union money transfers in Spanish. The idea is

963
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,360
you're going to send money back home using Western Union

964
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,519
so that you can pay your relatives in you know, Guatemala,

965
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:48,519
or I'll salve it or wherever it is you're coming from.

966
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:50,639
And said, if you just say that's not going to work,

967
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:54,519
and we're taxing that at ninety percent there, that's going

968
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,639
to remove a huge incentive for these people to come.

969
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,480
If you say things like you have to use English,

970
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,920
no other translation services will be provided. You need to

971
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,079
speak English for any and all social services, welfare schools.

972
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,639
If your kid doesn't know English coming into the classroom,

973
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:12,760
they won't be taught and we're not going to educate

974
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,719
them point blank. So this is not gonna work if

975
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,119
you make it hot like just basically like you need

976
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:22,960
to do stuff if you're here, even the basic stuff.

977
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,119
These people are not gonna like it. They came to

978
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:30,039
America to find a better life, which means making a

979
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:35,079
lot of money relatively and being able to mill around

980
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,920
and do the stuff they find appealing. And so if

981
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,159
you just make it difficult to do that, and you'd

982
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:41,719
be like, you need to act like a citizen, you

983
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,039
need to do stuff, you need to Hey, you have

984
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:46,400
social duties. That's gonna make people want to leave and

985
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:49,159
they won't want to come. And it means that people

986
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:51,920
who stay in that system, they're gonna have to adjust,

987
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,639
they're gonna have to become they're gonna have to make

988
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:59,880
an effort to be decent neighbors. So I think it's

989
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,320
a win all around. And just it's toughness, it's willpower,

990
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,880
it's just being like, nope, we're not printing ballots in

991
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:11,320
another language, full stop. Not gonna happen no more. You know,

992
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,320
by the way, if you if there's an illegal immigrant

993
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,239
in your household, we are not giving you welfare benefits. Simply,

994
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,159
all legal migrants wh attempt to collect welfare, you automatic

995
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,599
justification for deportation, and we'll do it. And you just

996
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:28,519
do stuff like mandatory English. And if you crack down

997
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,800
two on the businesses with the everify stuff, make it

998
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,960
a human trafficking felony. And by the way, those are

999
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,719
all white guys, So who is gonna side with them?

1000
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,320
Who's gonna what federal prosecute. Federal prosecutors would just salivate

1001
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,480
at the just at the prospect of putting some rich

1002
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,800
white guy business owner in jail. And so if you're like, hey,

1003
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,360
we're just gonna let the breaks, well it breaks off,

1004
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,320
you're all going away big fines and felony charges for

1005
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,559
human trafficking. The problem would solve itself very quickly. I

1006
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:00,519
think we would be surprised at how quick these people

1007
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,480
would find the ability to go somewhere where they like being.

1008
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:09,239
You know why they're you know, life in their home countries.

1009
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,800
They're around people who are like themselves, And isn't that

1010
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,679
why nations form in the first place. They'll like they'll

1011
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:17,400
they if they don't have the If migrants don't have

1012
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,320
the opportunity to grift, they're not gonna like it, and

1013
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,239
they're gonna they A lot of them will simply self

1014
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,719
deport and the rest of them can be removed, you know,

1015
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:25,639
under the law.

1016
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: I have a friend who used to do labor a

1017
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,280
lot in California, and he said that basically Obama just

1018
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:39,519
passed regulations, just wrote up regulations and e owes, and

1019
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,079
you know, it made it easier for them to work

1020
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,920
if they were illegal. He said, you can do it

1021
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,599
to make it impossible for them to work where you

1022
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:54,719
will just you know, whoever the employer is, you can

1023
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:58,119
you can find them out of existence if they start

1024
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:01,440
hiring people. It's not you can make people. You can

1025
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:07,199
make people self deport It's just a matter of having

1026
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:09,400
the will to do it. And that's what That's what

1027
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:12,840
all of this comes down to. Yeah, we can talk

1028
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,559
about we can have the greatest plans, we can have

1029
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,280
just the greatest plans, and but if you don't have

1030
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,400
the will to do this, I mean, boo Kelly is

1031
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,760
it is the example. He just said, Look, this country

1032
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:32,280
is the murder capital of the world, and if we

1033
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,880
don't fix it, we who knows where where this ends up.

1034
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,239
And he'd made a decision and he cleaned it up,

1035
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,480
and now business is going there and people, you know,

1036
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:50,599
people are going on vacation there. And so for all

1037
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:52,320
those people who say, well you can't figure.

1038
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: Well.

1039
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, El Salvador is a small place. Well, the United

1040
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,800
States is a big place with a lot of small places. Yeah,

1041
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,559
small places can start cleaning things up and then you

1042
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:03,679
can work your way out.

1043
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I look here at the state of Michigan.

1044
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,920
We in this is a deep red county. Hillsdale County

1045
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,760
is like seventy five eighty percent Trump over. I mean,

1046
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,159
there's no there. Democrats don't even run for local office

1047
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:18,760
unless they're kookie. I mean, there's no prospect of them

1048
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,280
winning anything. And yet we see a difficulty for just

1049
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,960
putting criminals away here in Hillsdale County. And why is that?

1050
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,800
And it comes down to a lack of willpower. And

1051
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,800
I want Michigan to be a good place to live.

1052
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,400
And I think we could just change it like that overnight.

1053
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,360
We can solve all of this. I mean, you're not

1054
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,119
gonna make it perfect, but you're gonna be able to

1055
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:43,880
reduce everything. And I say, here's things that you can do.

1056
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,599
Make it a death penalty offense to smuggle drugs into

1057
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:50,760
the state of Michigan. We catch you with anything above

1058
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,039
a minuscule mount of cocaine or methamphetamines or heroin or

1059
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:58,920
whatever automatic death penalty. You're done, no more drug county

1060
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:01,159
right away, it would all go away. I think the

1061
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:05,880
state of Singapore is in half the population in Michigan. Anyway,

1062
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:09,920
I did ran the numbers. At one point, Singapore executes

1063
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,280
something like twelve drug dealers a year, and yet income

1064
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,800
if you compare to Michigan the equivalent of three thousand

1065
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:20,320
at he's three thousand percent more likely to die of

1066
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,920
an overdose in Michigan than in Singapore. The Michigan Singapore's

1067
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,760
policy of executing drug dealers saves thousands of lives every

1068
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,960
single year safe it was, I mean, just it saves

1069
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:33,760
lives every like one drug dealer is worth something like

1070
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,760
twenty to fifty the overdose deaths of Like you know,

1071
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,360
if you execute x number of drug dealers, like twelve

1072
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,679
drug dealers, each of them is probably worth twenty to

1073
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:48,079
fifty overdose deaths, depending on the political context. Who doesn't

1074
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:50,639
make that trade, Who doesn't make the trade to save

1075
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:57,280
twenty husbands, mothers, sisters, brothers, ordinary people in return in

1076
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,519
return for putting one sum of the earth drug dealer

1077
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:02,519
away permanently. And it said that would make my life

1078
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:05,119
better and is it harsh? Is it mean? Am I

1079
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,159
a mean person? Well? I don't want to see my

1080
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:10,400
neighbors suffering from drug overdoses. And if that means that

1081
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,800
we need to do some hard things so that we

1082
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,599
can have a safe place to live, then I'm going

1083
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,960
to do it. I'm gonna support it. I will support

1084
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:19,719
anyone who says I will clean this mess up. I

1085
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,519
don't want I don't want murders and drive bys happening

1086
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:24,440
in my community. I want that to be punished. I

1087
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,360
want ordinary people to be able to live good lives.

1088
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,360
And you have to again, it's all willpower. It's all willpower,

1089
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,599
and it means being able to face the criticism. I'm

1090
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:35,760
going to face criticism going forward. Absolutely, people are going

1091
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,960
to try and say that I belong to the worst.

1092
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:41,199
They will use every slur in the book to say

1093
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:44,920
that someone like me is a bad person. What in

1094
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,559
reality is is I'm a husband and father and a

1095
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:49,599
citizen who cares about my community and I want to

1096
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:51,119
make it better and I'm willing to do the hard

1097
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:55,199
things necessary to make that happen. And then you know,

1098
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,239
come what may.

1099
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, people make a lot of excuse is you know,

1100
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,679
how can how Can parts of Chicago be the way

1101
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:08,679
they are? Canadem of New Jersey? Other places in Birmingham, Alabama. Here,

1102
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,199
all it would take is the leadership of that community

1103
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:18,199
coming together and saying we're going to sell some muni

1104
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:19,920
inctible bonds and we're going to get in such what

1105
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:26,199
Eric Prince right, it's in a weekend. It's cleaned up

1106
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:27,480
in a in a weekend.

1107
01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would say every courthouse in America, we've forgotten

1108
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,079
what politics is, how existential it is. I think every

1109
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:36,920
courthouse in America, every county courthouse, should have a gallows

1110
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:42,559
outside to remind people of what politics is. Voting is violence.

1111
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,880
When you vote, you allow the state to do violence

1112
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,719
on your behalf. And do not forget what that means.

1113
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,280
And that is a great quote, and it's it's it's

1114
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,039
basically true. The libertarian was saying, the state has a

1115
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,239
monopoly on violence. So that means when you see violence

1116
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,880
happen in your community, it means it's in some way

1117
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:07,960
state approved. And it's like, yes, so drug dealers, gang members, murderers,

1118
01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:10,360
you can put a lot of that stuff away. I

1119
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,760
think we could easily cut murder rate here in Michigan

1120
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,679
in half with like you said, with a snap of

1121
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:17,519
the fingers, and you don't even need mercenaries. You could

1122
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:19,880
just take ordinary people standing up for their rights and

1123
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,840
insisting we're going to punish those who want to do

1124
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,239
harm in our communities, but make life a lot better

1125
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,599
for all of us.

1126
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:30,079
Speaker 1: I think that's a great place to end it. Do

1127
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:32,239
you have anything to plug Well, I'm just.

1128
01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:34,079
Speaker 2: Going to say people should follow me on Twitter at

1129
01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:38,360
Jay Lippincott, Underscore and then my substack regime Critic. It's

1130
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,000
the place to go for the longer essays that I write. Also,

1131
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,840
I write an American Greatness, so those are the kind

1132
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,320
of three big places people can find me.

1133
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: So keep pissing people off on Twitter, man. Yeah, it's

1134
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,000
fun to watch.

1135
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, I appreciate it, Pete, thanks for having me

1136
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,000
on Yeah, take carry you off.

1137
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: Thanks,