Speaker 1: I think that the best way to come into this.
Speaker 2: Is and this is my big takeaway after our conversation
Speaker 2: about this film. So I do this radio hit obviously,
Speaker 2: or we're recording it, I want to make sure, Okay,
Speaker 2: So I do this radio hit on Ben's show on
Speaker 2: Tuesdays as we preview this podcast to what the appetites
Speaker 2: of his listeners. And it was one of those rare
Speaker 2: circumstances where both of us had.
Speaker 1: Seen the movie already.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I had seen it and you haven't. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: had seen it and I hadn't. Sometimes neither one of
Speaker 2: us had seen it yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think that happens most that's the norm. Yeh,
Speaker 2: Tuesdays are the cheap days, right, exactly so, but this
Speaker 2: is one of the rare times where we both saw
Speaker 2: it and I was really really surprised to hear that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're there was no praise from you. It
Speaker 2: was the most underwhelming reaction. I got free because I
Speaker 2: thought you're gonna be so. I even said you, I'm like,
Speaker 2: weren't you happy you saw your dead body?
Speaker 1: Huh? And you were like, well, Bulky, it's certainly a movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, wow, I do not understand you
Speaker 2: mentioned this is like episode forty something whatever.
Speaker 1: Forty on the button, technically forty one if you count
Speaker 1: the bride, right, let's not talk about it.
Speaker 2: So when you told me that, I was like, and
Speaker 2: I felt like I had you figured out. I kind
Speaker 2: of knew what you liked and what you did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't anymore. No, it's still evolving now.
Speaker 1: And I admitted off the air without exposing too much
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this podcast. Your mind frame. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like when you suggest to your wife or
Speaker 1: significant other or girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever, brother, sister, Hey, you
Speaker 1: gotta see this movie. I really enjoyed it. You know
Speaker 1: what that happened to me with was The Mothman Prophecies
Speaker 1: with Richard gear Wow, that's a how old is that movie?
Speaker 1: Very old? I saw it as a child when it
Speaker 1: was in theaters, and I was like, this is one
Speaker 1: of the best things I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: And when I was twenty one, I worked at a
Speaker 1: summer camp and I got a bunch of the counselors
Speaker 1: together one night when we were all off, I'm like, guys,
Speaker 1: you have to see this movie. It's like two hours
Speaker 1: and twenty minutes. Long and I could tell, like forty
Speaker 1: minutes in, I'm like, my twelve year old brain maybe
Speaker 1: overhyped this movie, yeah, relative to what it is. And
Speaker 1: you could feel the tension coming off of people. I
Speaker 1: did not see this movie with anybody else, but I
Speaker 1: was very distracted. I saw it on a Sunday. I
Speaker 1: had a lot of things going on. I was riding high.
Speaker 1: The Pens had finally won a game in their Flyer series,
Speaker 1: but I still didn't have a lot of hope. But
Speaker 1: I think it was the mindset at which I was
Speaker 1: watching it and the movies over your dead body, and
Speaker 1: like it's dislikable characters, right, Like you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: like these characters, none of them. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a slog. It's fun, it's funny, it's got its moments.
Speaker 1: But I think it was the perfect storm and I will,
Speaker 1: in all likelihood probably see this again because I think
Speaker 1: my life circumstances impacted me. But I came out of
Speaker 1: it and I compared it to Roses with you on
Speaker 1: the show, and I was like, if you told me
Speaker 1: in terms of a marital couple going through strife, and
Speaker 1: I could only pick one of these movies. I'd pick
Speaker 1: Roses ten out of ten times, which, of course is
Speaker 1: the only one you didn't see this podcast. It's not
Speaker 1: like you have a frame of reference here for that.
Speaker 1: But that was kind of my attitude, having such a
Speaker 1: fresh comparison of something to compare it against. I think
Speaker 1: kind of also went against it as well, dancing around
Speaker 1: the topic. We'll be doing this throughout the podcast. That
Speaker 1: is not what this movie is about. I mean I
Speaker 1: should know, I shouldn't say that. It kind of is, sure,
Speaker 1: that's the overarching theme, that is, it's not necessarily the plot.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's a good way of describing it. So
Speaker 2: this is a spoiler alert, and by spoiler I.
Speaker 1: Mean first third, well, end of the like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not even that.
Speaker 2: A lot of times I will, you know, go on
Speaker 2: the internet to kind of get a frame of mind
Speaker 2: of like what I'm expecting, you know, to see what
Speaker 2: it's about. And a lot of times these films are
Speaker 2: based off of books or other movies, right sure, And
Speaker 2: so sometimes I will go and look up, you know,
Speaker 2: more about that book or more about that movie, which
Speaker 2: obviously contained massive spoilers. I did not do that for
Speaker 2: this one, and I'm thrilled that I didn't. This is
Speaker 2: based off a oh Man I forgot now it's Norwegian
Speaker 2: or Finish. I think it's Finish, a film from about
Speaker 2: twenty years ago now, I want to say, called The Trip,
Speaker 2: and it's the exact same basically, the exact same plot
Speaker 2: as Over Your Dead Body. Okay, So if you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll just look up The Trip and say don't do
Speaker 2: it because it will ruin it for you, and I didn't.
Speaker 2: I did that after Now there's like some little subtle
Speaker 2: differences or whatever, but basically it was that. And I'm
Speaker 2: thrilled because I'm sitting so two things in the first
Speaker 2: thirty minutes number one, second straight week, I thought I
Speaker 2: was in the wrong theater for how this started. Sure,
Speaker 2: it was a brilliant, brilliant start to this film, and
Speaker 2: then about a half hour in the cards are kind
Speaker 2: of on the table the way that they build this
Speaker 2: in the trailer. You know what I should have done
Speaker 2: is I should have went back and watched the trailer
Speaker 2: and see how much they reveal in the trailer. I
Speaker 2: don't think it was a ton.
Speaker 1: No, remember exactly. Yeah, I actually did rewatch the trailer
Speaker 1: and how much, did it really? Yeah? Almost nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was interested as well if they gave away
Speaker 1: some of the some of the moments there, and they
Speaker 1: did not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So about a half hour thirty five minutes in,
Speaker 2: Jason Sieagel's character and Samara Weaving's character are sitting at
Speaker 2: the kitchen table or their dining room table at their
Speaker 2: cabin and I'm assuming like upstate New York or somewhere
Speaker 2: somewhere on there and basically everything like like they're sitting
Speaker 2: at the table, the cards were on the table, Like
Speaker 2: I'm like, how are they going to extend another seventy
Speaker 2: minutes of this storyline?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, and if I thought of you too, because
Speaker 2: I actually did think of it this time.
Speaker 1: Eagle eyed. You don't even have to be really egoied.
Speaker 2: But viewers who noticed something that was placed, sure in
Speaker 2: that first thirty thirty five minutes, they're like, well, how
Speaker 2: is that going to come back?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: It does, It does big time, And I'm proud that
Speaker 2: I saw it, you know, like I noticed at this time, like, well,
Speaker 2: obviously this is gonna be this is gonna be a thing.
Speaker 2: And then sure enough, when it's actually Oh, in the
Speaker 2: flashbacks that we got a nonlinear storytelling was sublime. I'll
Speaker 2: set this up to you already know this. This was
Speaker 2: Nick Cochin and Brian McIlhaney, the guys who wrote and
Speaker 2: directed Pizza Movie. They wrote this film, and then Yorma Taconi,
Speaker 2: who is a member of Lonely Island with Akiva Schaeffer
Speaker 2: and Andy Samberg. He actually directed it, and he directed
Speaker 2: some other SNL stuff like mcgruber.
Speaker 1: And Rod and whatever.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so you know there's like a potential for
Speaker 2: fresh stuff, right, maybe some stuff you've never seen before,
Speaker 2: and and things shone through an absurdist, hilarious lens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which I think we got. Oh absolutely, and I think
Speaker 2: like some like Okay, my buddy Stirfry at work, he
Speaker 2: does not appreciate films like this.
Speaker 1: I told him, I think you might like this, but
Speaker 1: I know Ben'll like it.
Speaker 2: But I could see totally see why he wouldn't like
Speaker 2: it because there was some stuff and you mentioned this
Speaker 2: too over the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah just great. I mean for me, it was great.
Speaker 1: I thought it was everything involving Juliette Lewis.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the former mm A guy who was
Speaker 2: also in this film too. I can't remember who named
Speaker 2: Jardine Keith Jardine, I think his name is. There's just
Speaker 2: a lot of like crazy stuff. Timothy Oliphant was great
Speaker 2: because he basically played a version of himself. I think
Speaker 2: it is awesome. He reminded me a lot. Do you
Speaker 2: remember the movie Go. I think we've talked about Go before,
Speaker 2: Katie Holmesye, he was like, he was like, I would
Speaker 2: not surprise me at all if that was the same
Speaker 2: character from Go that he played in this in this
Speaker 2: movie anyway, So that was the setup for the first
Speaker 2: half hour. I'm like, how are they going to extend this?
Speaker 2: And then they did and it was awesome.
Speaker 1: I can say from the first half hour, you know
Speaker 1: what I felt oddly reminiscent of is the breakup with
Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn and Jennifer A little bit. Yeah, because think
Speaker 1: about that, so you are maybe are too far removed
Speaker 1: from the dating world because I the small talk. I
Speaker 1: remember being in an out We're in a half car
Speaker 1: ride with a girl or woman that I was dating
Speaker 1: that you knew it was on its last legs and
Speaker 1: trying to fill an hour and a half of travel
Speaker 1: with dialogue. Some witty banter boy drinks were kind of
Speaker 1: strong at that party. Huh, you know, like that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. And I think they did a really good
Speaker 1: job of capturing that feeling, and that was probably the
Speaker 1: most relatable at any point, because like it gets to
Speaker 1: an absurdist point and at that point, I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we've all been here. And I've always kind of used
Speaker 1: the breakup as my main go to because I had
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine because I stupid me, I
Speaker 1: thought they were going to make up at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie and he's like, dude, the movie's called
Speaker 1: the Breakup, And I was like, I guess I didn't
Speaker 1: expect that. Yeah, I didn't. I fully expected to make
Speaker 1: up too. Yeah. And so like there's moments that just
Speaker 1: feel like such real relationships and real fights that break
Speaker 1: out in the moment. This doesn't necessarily hit that level
Speaker 1: of realism, but I did feel that awkward feeling in
Speaker 1: your stomach. You're like, oh, this is criinge. Like I
Speaker 1: almost I say, I can watch a Saw movie. I
Speaker 1: can watch someone up their arm off and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gross. But when it's cringe, when it's uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: when it's awkward, that's when I'm watching behind Like have
Speaker 1: a finger, like stop talking, stop talking.
Speaker 2: Rachel McAdams in that movie we just saw the Island.
Speaker 1: One, what was it called?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, send Help, Send Help, where she's talking to
Speaker 2: like her boss in the office that kills. So I'll say,
Speaker 2: this is a guy who's been married to his wife
Speaker 2: now for oh man, I got to think about this.
Speaker 2: It'll be fourteen years this December. I think, yeah, fourteen,
Speaker 2: but I've been with her since two thousand and two, Okay,
Speaker 2: so really I've been with her for two and a
Speaker 2: half decades. Yeah, like I've been with somebody longer than
Speaker 2: I've been single, essentially.
Speaker 1: Well kind of, yeah, that might be accurate. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely accurate, right, it's definitely accurate.
Speaker 2: Yes, those uncomfortable silences and and you know, marriage being
Speaker 2: hard work sometimes, like you could tell that they were
Speaker 2: both trying to be cordial to each other, right, but sometime,
Speaker 2: especially in a marriage like that, which thank god, my
Speaker 2: marriage is not like that, at least I don't think
Speaker 2: my wife could tell me.
Speaker 1: It's not like that for me.
Speaker 2: Uh there, But it's like nails on the chalkboard, like
Speaker 2: super painful to try, and you could tell the pain
Speaker 2: that Jason segels like where he's trying to be super
Speaker 2: nice and and you know, like, I mean, the thing
Speaker 2: is I forgot in that moment he's plotting to kill her, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like in that moment it was and they portrayed him
Speaker 1: as more hapless, like she was far more stern. There's
Speaker 1: a bit of character in version as the time goes
Speaker 1: as the movie goes on, but at least at the
Speaker 1: starting point, he was almost like, oh.
Speaker 2: Fish well, I think that that kind of goes back
Speaker 2: with their careers where she's the demanding, right aspiring actress
Speaker 2: that and she's obviously much more attractive than Jason Seal.
Speaker 2: And he's sort of like this beaten down director who
Speaker 2: had this one film and now he's directing pop up ads,
Speaker 2: which I didn't even know was a thing. I guess
Speaker 2: it has to be a thing. And he just he's
Speaker 2: just he's got this low self esteem. He goes to
Speaker 2: is it his dad in the nursing home, who was
Speaker 2: another great character in this movie. He goes to visit
Speaker 2: his dad in the nursing home, and his dad's like,
Speaker 2: you know, just destroying him, you know, yeah, just I
Speaker 2: just I feel like, this was a guy that had
Speaker 2: had so much stuff go bad in his life. We know,
Speaker 2: but it's financial for troubles in this movie, and even
Speaker 2: the thing that he needed to go right, he couldn't
Speaker 2: even do.
Speaker 1: That right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It just really was was bumbling, which is which is
Speaker 2: kind of cool to see how his character sort of evolved.
Speaker 2: When you're in these tight situations and you're in the
Speaker 2: in the moment, you need to make split second decisions
Speaker 2: that can change your life or whatever, it was interesting
Speaker 2: to see how that character evolved as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I always think that's an interesting plot device.
Speaker 1: Were you a fan of Malcolm in the Middle when
Speaker 1: it was on? You know what's funny? I should have
Speaker 1: watched this show. Yeah, absolutely it had.
Speaker 2: I mean there's technically four brothers, but one is in
Speaker 2: boarding school. Yeah, so really was three brothers, and I
Speaker 2: came with a family from a family of three brothers.
Speaker 2: Now I was in the middle, but I was the
Speaker 2: oldest one or whatever. But I remember watching the pilot
Speaker 2: at my grandma's house after like a football game on
Speaker 2: Fox or something. Yeah, it was after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I was after the Super Bowl. Yeah, so I watched
Speaker 2: I watched the pilot and I'm like, oh, this this
Speaker 2: will be a good show. Never watch it again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I had Brian Kranston and who I'm a big
Speaker 2: fan of, and they just I just watched the four
Speaker 2: episode reboots.
Speaker 1: So it was only four EPISODESO. Yeah, it was wonderful. Okay,
Speaker 1: so well they had no business being that good, But
Speaker 1: I bring that up to say so I loved that
Speaker 1: show as well. I related to Malcolm on so many
Speaker 1: different levels. A lot of the characters are reminiscent in
Speaker 1: who I grew up with. It's a very dysfunctional family.
Speaker 1: They love each other, but they have a weird way
Speaker 1: of showing it. And at one point they break the
Speaker 1: mom to the point where she just grabs the keys
Speaker 1: and leaves and they've never seen that before. She goes
Speaker 1: to the batting cages and she is just jack and
Speaker 1: dingers and like all these other kids are waiting to
Speaker 1: get in and she's like a grown ass woman. So
Speaker 1: she like pulls out eighty dollars worth of quarters to
Speaker 1: let them know, like, you will not be batting at
Speaker 1: this batting case today. This is gonna be me for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. And two clus just a relief stress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and two clowns come up to her. Literal clowns come
Speaker 1: up and they say, hey, lady, it's a birthday party.
Speaker 1: Why don't you get out of the way. And at
Speaker 1: that point, the rest of the family was there, and
Speaker 1: they see the way the clowns are talking to the
Speaker 1: mom and the way they reconcile their differences. Is the
Speaker 1: whole family beats the crap out of like a half
Speaker 1: a dozen clowns through different ways, and they come out
Speaker 1: of it on the other side realizing, yes, we are dysfunctional,
Speaker 1: but were this kind of dysfunctional? And like that to
Speaker 1: me was what they were setting up. That was what
Speaker 1: kind of lent itself to me the entire time. And
Speaker 1: I thought in that regard, they hit it on a
Speaker 1: lot of levels.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you this. You got breakup
Speaker 2: vibes from this? Yeah, the movie The Breakup? You knew
Speaker 2: how surprised you were at the ending of the breakup?
Speaker 2: Did that enter in your mind as you're watching this
Speaker 2: film towards the end?
Speaker 1: No, No, I think it was a very uh do
Speaker 1: I use the word tacky? I think it ended exactly
Speaker 1: how you end this kind of movie. Okay, yeah, all
Speaker 1: the way up until like the litteral real final scene,
Speaker 1: I would say it is. It is absolutely the way
Speaker 1: that you would explain. You know.
Speaker 2: There's kind of like a mini twist that has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the plot really at the very end,
Speaker 2: the last couple of scenes with a cameo, a couple
Speaker 2: of cameos actually, and I did not see that coming down.
Speaker 1: That was pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So what else did I want to say
Speaker 2: about the setup to this movie? Oh there's a line
Speaker 2: that Samorrow Weaving says, I'm not going to repeat when
Speaker 2: they enter the cabin, right okay, and she says something
Speaker 2: it's it's wine o'clock and exploitive after that. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: probably said that line a half dozen times since I've
Speaker 2: seen this. I just and she said it. She's Australian, right,
Speaker 2: She's Australian, And she says it in like a very
Speaker 2: she's even Australian in this film, but she has this
Speaker 2: Australian accent. She says it in a very like Midwestern
Speaker 2: the almost American accent.
Speaker 1: So she very rarely has the accent. She's normally playing
Speaker 1: an American. Yeah, exactly like we just saw. But she's
Speaker 1: a good actress. Absolutely, I told you, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: if she's in a horror movie ready or not too Notwithstanding,
Speaker 1: I'm typically like, oh, I'm at least giving this a shot,
Speaker 1: because she very rarely is in something that I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that wasn't worth my time. Like, I absolutely, I think
Speaker 1: she's the twenty twenty screen queen. If she can close
Speaker 1: out the decade in the right way. I think she's
Speaker 1: going to be in like the realm of like Heather
Speaker 1: Langen camp and Sidney nev Campbell and you know, the
Speaker 1: handful of others that kind of made a name for
Speaker 1: themselves in the horror genre.
Speaker 2: Do you okay, how you can only choose one bucket?
Speaker 1: Huh? What genre is this movie? Thriller? Actually, let's do this.
Speaker 1: Let's do this.
Speaker 2: You can give it three categories. There's the primary one,
Speaker 2: the secondary in the tertiary. How would you describe it?
Speaker 2: Which three genres?
Speaker 1: Would you said? Thriller number one? Yeah? But now, if
Speaker 1: you're giving me, yeah, thriller slept But like, is action
Speaker 1: the same as thriller or is that a sub genre
Speaker 1: of that?
Speaker 2: No? I think they're two separate movies. Actions and thrillers
Speaker 2: are are two different things.
Speaker 1: I'd put it thriller comedy action because they.
Speaker 2: Thriller, I would actually put it action with See you
Speaker 2: said this too, that pizza movie is funnier, and I
Speaker 2: immediately was just a gast that you would say that.
Speaker 1: But then I was thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I think, Ben's right, I
Speaker 2: think pizza, but that wasn't the idea of this time.
Speaker 2: The comedic things were just put in for levity for
Speaker 2: Levity's sake. There were several times in the last thirty
Speaker 2: minutes where I verbally was like, oh, you know, like
Speaker 2: one of those is like it was crazy. There are
Speaker 2: certain things. Twenty one Jump Street had that scene on
Speaker 2: the bridge where the bikers are chasing Jonah Hill and
Speaker 2: Chandon Tatum and you keep expecting this big explosion and
Speaker 2: never happens, and then when it shouldn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what makes it happen. It's something
Speaker 1: stupid chickens, yes exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, but there are several fake outs in this
Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, oh, yeah, you know, like
Speaker 2: so it was very good, and I do.
Speaker 1: Think that might be what's influencing my opinion as well,
Speaker 1: because we have both kind of professed our fandom of
Speaker 1: Jason Siegel, like the movies he's in, I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: a good movie. And he has kind of taken a
Speaker 1: back seat to Hollywood a lot lately, Like I really
Speaker 1: don't see him a lot around a lot. I wondered
Speaker 1: if he had been embroiled in a scandal, like he's
Speaker 1: been that absent that I had to look it up
Speaker 1: and I was like, did he do a thing that?
Speaker 1: So what did you find out when you look at
Speaker 1: not a damn thing? Like it almost makes me wonder
Speaker 1: if he's so normal and the rest of Hollywood is
Speaker 1: such a cesspool that like he made his money and
Speaker 1: is like, you know what, I'll do the projects I
Speaker 1: want to do, But I definitely don't want to be
Speaker 1: embroiled in all this nonsense for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: Like I am absolutely super imposing things on what may
Speaker 1: be the case. But he's talented, he's funny, he wrote,
Speaker 1: he's good musically, Like he's got a lot of talents
Speaker 1: to bring people in. And like when you said, let's
Speaker 1: see this movie, it's Jason Siegel and Tomorrow Weaving, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't even need to know the rest. I was like, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And this wasn't the kind of even the sad parts
Speaker 1: of Forgetting Sarah Marshall had some you talk about quoting movies.
Speaker 1: I still will quote Forgetting Sarah Marsha Triaking eighteen years later,
Speaker 1: like and this just it did. It wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: be that. It's not like it was trying to be
Speaker 1: funny and it missed. It's just that it wasn't as funny.
Speaker 1: I guess I was expecting more of a comedy. I
Speaker 1: guess it's the best way I can.
Speaker 2: But like Smorrow Weaving does not do comedic stuff, like
Speaker 2: the stuff that I mean, like, okay, what what's the
Speaker 2: stuff that she's been in?
Speaker 1: Obviously the movies we just saw, though, yeah ready or not?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 1: To me, the funniest thing she's been in still shre
Speaker 1: was she a scream too that she died she's uh,
Speaker 1: you know the Drew Barry Moore. So she's gone very quickly.
Speaker 1: But she did both Babysitter movies that went straight to Netflix,
Speaker 1: and I remember the first one someone was like, you
Speaker 1: have to see Babysitter and I'm like, dude, no, And
Speaker 1: eventually movies. Yeah, Okay, she's a cultist. In the movie,
Speaker 1: she's a beautiful babysitter and she's like babysitting this thirteen
Speaker 1: year old boy and she invites her friends over, and
Speaker 1: it plays out like a generic like can't tell the parents,
Speaker 1: and you think it's gonna be some kind of romp,
Speaker 1: and then it turns out they're into human sacrifice and
Speaker 1: they're doing all this weird stuff and you will it
Speaker 1: is so funny, the delivery of all the characters. It's
Speaker 1: so well done. It's a horror comedy, and I love
Speaker 1: that's what made me find this woman to begin with.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, so she's brilliant, Like this is fantastic.
Speaker 1: And there's a sequel not nearly as good, but they
Speaker 1: rarely are, and so I guess that would be the
Speaker 1: closest thing to a calm And again, similar to this,
Speaker 1: it's not a comedy, like it's definitely played out as
Speaker 1: a horror, but like, ah, the whole cast of characters
Speaker 1: just play so well with one another. So between Jason Segull,
Speaker 1: having seen the Babysitter movies, I'm like, there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of moving parts here that I think could really
Speaker 1: come together in a way that, in my humble opinion,
Speaker 1: it just didn't hit in the way that I wanted
Speaker 1: it to.
Speaker 2: No, we have to go back and say, and this
Speaker 2: is something you taught me, is.
Speaker 1: Just because it's not what I wanted, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: That doesn't necessarily mean it's bad or it could have
Speaker 2: been better or whatever.
Speaker 1: But if I would have known I was going to
Speaker 1: a Jason siegeal vehicle that was going to be more
Speaker 1: action in comedy, I would have had a different attitude,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It would have been like
Speaker 1: if you saw this is the End and there weren't
Speaker 1: really any jokes, it was just right, okay, yeah briefly, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like it was that cast of character, so Frank
Speaker 1: and all that, and it's like if you went to
Speaker 1: go see that and it was mostly about a group
Speaker 1: of guys trying to survive the apocalypse with a handful
Speaker 1: of jokes, Whereas this was mostly a bunch of jokes,
Speaker 1: and there's an apocalypse happening while that's happening. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I was anticipating here, and we kind
Speaker 1: of got the opposite of that.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Siegel here for a second, just
Speaker 2: his career, we go a little off topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please, he was in Freaks and Geeks obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, he was also in and I believe he was
Speaker 2: kind of miscast in this and I think it only
Speaker 2: went like one season, but I thought it was gonna
Speaker 2: be good and it wasn't Undeclared.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the show? It was on Fox? Undeclared
Speaker 1: Ja the movie which I think Jay Brules I think
Speaker 1: it was based on the movie. I didn't know there
Speaker 1: was a movie. Yeah, it came out in like six
Speaker 1: where like they make up a college and like it's
Speaker 1: not real. Yeah, there was a whole movie. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that had to be after the show then.
Speaker 2: Okay, the movie is really good. Okay, I'm not I
Speaker 2: didn't even wear it. Wasn't even aware of this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I believe Sega was kind of miscast in that
Speaker 2: as like this kind of like, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: a whole jock boyfriend of the love interest of the
Speaker 2: main character. Okay, yeah, but I say this to to
Speaker 2: say he was still an Undeclared, which kind of was.
Speaker 2: I think you could make the case that it's in
Speaker 2: the same tree as Freaks and Geeks. Okay, so what else?
Speaker 2: What else has Jason Siegel done?
Speaker 1: How I Met your Mother? I Met your mother? Popular one.
Speaker 2: You were just mentioning it forgetting Sarah Marshall. Sure, I
Speaker 2: love you man. Yeah, see sex tape. Okay, these these
Speaker 2: very slapsticky kind of.
Speaker 1: Com and Windfall from twenty twenty two which you haven't
Speaker 1: seen that.
Speaker 2: This doesn't fit my argument. Yeah, So he did all those, right?
Speaker 2: And then what did he do after that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I thought he wrote and directed Jeff who lives at
Speaker 2: Home with Ed Helms. I could be wrong on that,
Speaker 2: but I know he starred in it, okay, and that
Speaker 2: was sort of like an artsy I don't want to
Speaker 2: say dark comedy.
Speaker 1: Yes, I already know where you're going with this to
Speaker 1: carry on? And so he did that. He did that AMC.
Speaker 2: Show Dispatches from Elsewhere is what it's called, which I
Speaker 2: believe he was like the showrunner.
Speaker 1: And writer for yeah, and the lead character exactly. I
Speaker 1: watched two episodes in Bail. Did you watch it?
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it, okay, but I do know that
Speaker 2: it was sort of like this like Lostian type of
Speaker 2: you don't really know exactly what's going on. It was
Speaker 2: a very challenging, rewarded active viewing.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of the Adjustment Bureau.
Speaker 2: Matt Damon, Yeah, but that was a film. I'm yeah,
Speaker 2: but the but the principals, Okay, yeah, first, but I'm
Speaker 2: just saying like writing for television was a little bit
Speaker 2: different for that, because you'd have like these these massive
Speaker 2: one week cliffhangers where you're like, you know, just when
Speaker 2: you think you got to figure it out, you don't
Speaker 2: know anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I know a lot of people were disappointed
Speaker 2: at the ending. Those who stuck around for it.
Speaker 1: Oh really, I didn't even follow up on it. I
Speaker 1: just bailed. I was so disinterested.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you would have, I'll tell you what
Speaker 2: happens at the end. But it wasn't great at least again,
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it. Maybe if if, if there's people
Speaker 2: who love this, dispatches from Elsewhere show.
Speaker 1: You're bad at liking things, or maybe I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch it better, so I'm not gonna fry them.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's great, but you watched you watched it
Speaker 2: for two episodes, and you could if.
Speaker 1: You can't survive the Walking Dead bump when walking Dead
Speaker 1: was the walk was the Walking Dead, bump. Did we
Speaker 1: put you on after the Walking Dead? Like you have
Speaker 1: a bill walking down?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And I was just like I would actively be like,
Speaker 1: where's the remote. I'm not watching episode three of this,
Speaker 1: I'll put anything else on.
Speaker 2: If if you look at AMC, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: shows that did not say.
Speaker 1: A thousand percent. Most of them didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're the Walking Dead did, which is great.
Speaker 2: But then I think about Low Winter Sun with Mark Strong.
Speaker 1: That was you know, the one with Loki. I didn't
Speaker 1: go beyond Oh yeah it was that night Manager. Is
Speaker 1: that what it was? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then Tom Hidlston by the way, you brute.
Speaker 1: So uh.
Speaker 2: And then they did the one about computers like and
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was called.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't either. That was forgettable though, obviously yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously very it wasn't on very long.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So okay, we're getting way up. We're getting even
Speaker 2: more off topic from off time. Okay, So now, and
Speaker 2: I can't tell you everything that Siegul's done. I'm just
Speaker 2: telling you what I've seen him do or what I
Speaker 2: know that he's did or know that he's done. And
Speaker 2: he seems to be branching off in almost to an
Speaker 2: awe tour phase of his career where he did sex
Speaker 2: tape and he did I Love You and to get
Speaker 2: to get the bank roll to get his name.
Speaker 1: Oh this.
Speaker 2: What was the one with Captain Heigel and Seth Rowe?
Speaker 2: This is forty No, no, no, The one before this
Speaker 2: is forty knocked Up?
Speaker 1: He did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's playing basically like these kind of like
Speaker 2: loser slacker characters. Oh, speaking of slacker characters, he was
Speaker 2: in Slackers, which I'm telling you, did you watch that movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, all right, I just want to make because
Speaker 1: I love that. I forgot he was in that though,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're on. Yeah. So anyway, so that's like
Speaker 1: where I became the biggest Jason.
Speaker 2: I knew I saw that more Schwartzman was going to
Speaker 2: be huge, and he did take off, granted with a
Speaker 2: little help from uh Wes Anderson, but he's the man.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But so we're getting into this weird, different, new sort
Speaker 2: of phase of his career, and perhaps when we went
Speaker 2: in knowing it was Jason Siegel, we should have been like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this isn't like.
Speaker 1: Right, he's taking chances now, Yeah, he's doing different.
Speaker 2: And he's doing stuff he wants to do, like for
Speaker 2: for sake of argument, and like, you don't come off
Speaker 2: being a shit runner of your only own television show
Speaker 2: and just and then do something for a.
Speaker 1: Check, right, exactly, Yeah, he doesn't need to do that,
Speaker 1: and like for sake of argument, the wind fall me
Speaker 1: because you said it didn't fit in. It fit in
Speaker 1: with the second part of your point. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not familiar with that. I'm gonna describe
Speaker 1: it to you, and you're gonna say, how the hell
Speaker 1: have I not had any interesting scenes? And I will
Speaker 1: say I thought it fell flat. But I'm gonna explain
Speaker 1: the pieces to you. Now, I'm gonna explain the pieces.
Speaker 1: So the point is, he plays your standard. It's basically
Speaker 1: the plot the Good Fortune. He's basically a he's I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: he's trying to make it in America and he can't.
Speaker 1: He's like some kind of delivery driver or something whatever
Speaker 1: brings him to this place. He ends up at this
Speaker 1: billion dollar mansion, infinity pool, all this stuff, and he
Speaker 1: ends up just squatting there and starting to take all
Speaker 1: this guy's stuff. The guy that lived there is Jesse Plemmons,
Speaker 1: and his wife Lily Collins. They come back Lily Collins
Speaker 1: from Oh God, you put me on the spot here,
Speaker 1: don't worry about But they show up and instead of
Speaker 1: they they're like, you're gonna have to leave, And Jason
Speaker 1: Siegial gets so used to the life that instead he
Speaker 1: takes the two of them hostage, and it's them trying
Speaker 1: to figure out a way that he is going to
Speaker 1: be able to leave here. How much of their fortune
Speaker 1: is he going to get for not killing them, And
Speaker 1: it's just like they're kind of friends, but they also
Speaker 1: are obviously waiting to kill one another at any moment.
Speaker 1: And like all of this sounds, I'm describing it in
Speaker 1: an excited and fun way that it's just like what
Speaker 1: we saw. It's like there's moments where you're like a
Speaker 1: and then but it's not like forgetting Sarah Marks, I
Speaker 1: got it, Okay. I went into it much like I
Speaker 1: did Sunday, being like, oh Jason, and then I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: Jason Siegel. Yeah, so it was. It was. It was
Speaker 1: one of those kind of moment, which it's also weird too.
Speaker 1: That's available on Netflix by the way, for anyone interested
Speaker 1: in that one.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming he got some sort of producer credit on
Speaker 2: this film, yeah, but did not was not credit with
Speaker 2: any of the writing nor any of the directing, which
Speaker 2: I think is weird when you're when you've been doing.
Speaker 1: As much as well.
Speaker 2: Of course I shouldn't say that because I just assume
Speaker 2: he's been doing a lot of directing and writing stuff.
Speaker 2: But maybe he hasn't been. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: What opened my eyes to this was Caught Stealing. But
Speaker 1: I also begin to question sometimes, like what relationship does
Speaker 1: he Sometimes I think it's just favors, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like I need a big time name
Speaker 1: to put in this movie. You and I are buds
Speaker 1: off the scene. I'll give you a couple million dollars.
Speaker 1: I'll let you do this the way you want to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, and I need you to help me
Speaker 1: build my own credit log. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is the case or not, but I sometimes wonder when
Speaker 1: you watch Caught Stealing and freaking, ve Schreiber ends up
Speaker 1: and like there was just a list actor after aylist actor,
Speaker 1: like this is a very middling movie for so many
Speaker 1: people to be to be in this film, Like how
Speaker 1: would you do that? Who was who was? Who? Was
Speaker 1: getting the favor done for them. I'm saying our boys,
Speaker 1: uh yeah yeah, And it's just like maybe they have
Speaker 1: a relationship and they're like, hey, you mind slumming it
Speaker 1: with us and being an actor again to help get
Speaker 1: Ben's butt in this seat so that we can get
Speaker 1: a couple extra bucks for this ticket. Like maybe kind
Speaker 1: of stuffy mee.
Speaker 2: Intriguing him playing a director a struggling direction.
Speaker 1: Sure, exactly, Like you never know with these artists. I
Speaker 1: just went down a rabbit hole that Christian Bale hates westerns,
Speaker 1: but he did do one western, right, Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a great movie exactly, and it was like it
Speaker 1: had such emotional depth. And I was watching an interview
Speaker 1: with him about why he broke his no westerns rule
Speaker 1: to do that movie. So why did he He's he
Speaker 1: was like, because it was about the characters, not the West.
Speaker 1: He's like, most of the Western stuff was schlock and
Speaker 1: it's like, here's the Native Americans and we got to
Speaker 1: shoot these guys, whereas this was a much more character
Speaker 1: driven story. That's what brought him into it, and he
Speaker 1: just he annihilated that film as he always does. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's one of these scenarios again, and I believe Tomorrow
Speaker 1: Weaving no disrespect her. I obviously gave her her roses.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's at the point of her career though,
Speaker 1: where you maximize what you can get. When your name's hot,
Speaker 1: you get in as many movies as you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, her name's hot, but I think she's in danger
Speaker 2: of being type cast here a little bit too. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: because we're not seeing a whole lot of range from
Speaker 2: I completely agree.
Speaker 1: Maybe she doesn't care. Yeah, you just get in while
Speaker 1: you can, and then you get out once it's over.
Speaker 1: And that's that's not the stereotype, but that a lot
Speaker 1: of act specifically find themselves in that in that kind
Speaker 1: of category there.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I want to delve into something here that is
Speaker 2: going to be require some dancing on the part of
Speaker 2: both of us.
Speaker 1: The first big plot twist.
Speaker 2: In this film, yeah, okay, number one, I brought up
Speaker 2: something like that. I don't want to say an Easter
Speaker 2: egg because it really wasn't hidden all that well, the
Speaker 2: little the little.
Speaker 1: Thing that I said would set up the the.
Speaker 2: Next part of the movie, right, Okay, did you notice it? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: pretty easily.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when they cut to the scene one of
Speaker 2: the flashbacks, which, by the way, the flashbacks were very
Speaker 2: Lord and Miller in twenty one Jump Street twenty you know,
Speaker 2: or yeah, five days later, five minutes earlier, oh and
Speaker 2: then the three minutes later one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they were having fun with that, all right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so immediately when you find out or.
Speaker 1: How do I want to do this?
Speaker 2: The ceiling thing, Yeah, the ceiling scene. Sure, did you
Speaker 2: know exactly what was going on? Not exactly, but yeah,
Speaker 2: like they laid it out. They like they let you
Speaker 2: know pretty quickly, right for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then I mean it was so great with with
Speaker 2: the stuff like and you've taught me to be a
Speaker 2: better viewer with this, the key on the on the
Speaker 2: door doorframe, the blue sweater with the snowflakes on it,
Speaker 2: all this stuff, like they they paid all that off.
Speaker 1: Which is great, and they set it up in a
Speaker 1: way and like.
Speaker 2: It was one of those things where it's like you're
Speaker 2: not it's not like a knives out type thing where
Speaker 2: you're trying to like figure stuff out.
Speaker 1: Anyone who says they saw, like I figured out the
Speaker 1: knives out, but not the way the movie wanted me to.
Speaker 1: I use I used movie acumen when they were like,
Speaker 1: what do you see different in this picture compared to
Speaker 1: the setup, Like, no one actually saw that lamp. Don't
Speaker 1: tell me anybody saw that lamp in real life. This
Speaker 1: was like, are you looking at your phone or are
Speaker 1: you looking at the screen, because if you're looking at
Speaker 1: the screen, you saw it.
Speaker 2: My whole thing was like, I want to separate them here,
Speaker 2: because in Knives Out, you're like and those types of movies,
Speaker 2: you're constantly you feel this sense of euphoria when you
Speaker 2: figure something out.
Speaker 1: Right, Sure, this there.
Speaker 2: Wasn't, but it still kind of felt a little rewarding, like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, they're paying.
Speaker 1: Them it just you know, what it reminded me of
Speaker 1: was how I met your mother. They were notorious for that,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't even do it in the same episode.
Speaker 1: They would like in season two be telling the wrong
Speaker 1: story about a goat, and then in season four you
Speaker 1: get the story about the goat, right, and anyone who
Speaker 1: remembered that the goat thing was happening rye And I
Speaker 1: definitely found myself. And by the way, just so no
Speaker 1: one judges me, because I know you watch Network TV
Speaker 1: and I'm not judging you. Of course, that's the last
Speaker 1: Network show I ever watched, Like I despise Network TV.
Speaker 1: You know there's a but I enjoyed that show very much.
Speaker 1: I called Friends two point zero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've I could probably count on one
Speaker 2: hand how many episodes I saw that show.
Speaker 1: Really, although you weren't also a Friends person, you were sign.
Speaker 2: That was Seinfeld, which I want to get into it
Speaker 2: a little bit. But the people I went to college
Speaker 2: with because I went to college and I was much
Speaker 2: older well I shouldn't say much, but significantly noticeably older
Speaker 2: than a lot of my classmates that I worked with
Speaker 2: at the radio station, at the TV station, what have you.
Speaker 2: And they were all huge fans, so they drop all
Speaker 2: these hemium uh references, and I'll be like, what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was doing the whole Proclaimers thing at my wedding
Speaker 2: with them, you know, the and I didn't even realize
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: How I met your mother? Think ntil years later, that's hilarious. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Have you Met Ben? Was a game we'd played in
Speaker 1: bars all the time. Have you Met Ben? Yeah? Have
Speaker 1: you Met Ben? Like that was how they would break
Speaker 1: the ice with a woman they thought was attractive at
Speaker 1: the bar. Like one of the friends, have you Met Ted?
Speaker 1: And then they would introduce Ted Mo the I gotcha okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so have you be Carrier?
Speaker 2: So so there is a conversation going on and and
Speaker 2: I I know that when you're on, you're on.
Speaker 1: With Nick and PJ.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, still okay, So this is more more of
Speaker 2: like a show with Tony J and Leo thing debating
Speaker 2: King King of Queens versus Seinfeld. And to me, it's
Speaker 2: not close. Yeah, I agree, but I had I said
Speaker 2: this when they asked me last week. I said, I
Speaker 2: have seen Seinfeld so many times. Sure, I have Seinfeld
Speaker 2: on VHS And you say, bulky. Seinfeld was never released
Speaker 2: on VHS. No, it wasn't recorded it.
Speaker 1: I recorded only the syndicated version. Okay.
Speaker 2: So the only episode I don't have is the Puerto
Speaker 2: Rican Day episode, which was had a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we can't be doing this, this is
Speaker 2: so racist or whatever, and even when it was on
Speaker 2: you know, just normal TV.
Speaker 1: I'll watch it.
Speaker 2: So I said, now, if Seinfeld and King and Queens
Speaker 2: are both on, I will watch King.
Speaker 1: Of Queens, sure, just for some new content.
Speaker 2: But even though I've seen those a bunch of times,
Speaker 2: but I haven't reached the pinnacle there.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves Raymond. To me, I think is.
Speaker 2: I don't put it on the same plane as Seinfeld,
Speaker 2: but the writing and the acting performances on.
Speaker 1: That is a good one.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're pretty pretty efan amazing, all right. I
Speaker 2: don't know how we got on the side. Oh siegu
Speaker 2: was on how I met your.
Speaker 1: Mother really quickly before we move on. That's pretty much
Speaker 1: all I had to say. I just talked on my
Speaker 1: show today and I thought you'd appreciate it because you
Speaker 1: know all the episodes. But I was talking about owning
Speaker 1: a Honda c r Z and I'd whip it around
Speaker 1: downtown Pittsburgh and said I would parallel park pulling forward
Speaker 1: into the space just to show people I could do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I immediately started thinking of the.
Speaker 2: Parking spot with George and Mike Moss It where Moffatt's
Speaker 2: trying to pull into a space and George is trying
Speaker 2: to back into it and they can't pull forward like
Speaker 2: I would do it just to people. People in the
Speaker 2: neighborhood start coming down for like what's going on, and
Speaker 2: then they each have there's like team George and team
Speaker 2: pull in and team back in, And it was crazy,
Speaker 2: but just to get get.
Speaker 1: Even further off topic with it there so so enjoy
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah people will okay, the.
Speaker 2: On a level of zero being nothing at all and
Speaker 2: ten being oh my goodness, I can't believe I didn't
Speaker 2: see any of this coming.
Speaker 1: Where did the plot twists?
Speaker 2: Not plot twists like some of the shocking scenes we saw, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, towards the end, where did that register for you?
Speaker 1: On a scale of zero to ten?
Speaker 2: I mean, because this is where I thought you were. Really,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm watching this, I'm like, god, this is
Speaker 2: just so common.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was just one after another, like they got
Speaker 1: so where would you put it? Zero to see? Like seven? Okay, seven?
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly like, well, not pleasure. I was surprised
Speaker 1: by it. It felt excessive at times, Right, it did
Speaker 1: feel excessive, But sometimes I think you like that, yeah
Speaker 1: if you? And like again with with Siegel being the
Speaker 1: tour as we describe him as he is, like you
Speaker 1: can tell that probably was an intriguing part to it,
Speaker 1: and especially because it started off so rote, like I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm giving too much away, but like you
Speaker 1: see the trap that Segel has to set up you
Speaker 1: see that poison is going to be used by Samorrow
Speaker 1: Weaving like, they don't hide it, they very clearly, and
Speaker 1: then it's how those go awry, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is just going to be slapstick for an
Speaker 1: hour and a half. That ending was a pleasant surprise
Speaker 1: in that way, because it started off so like point A,
Speaker 1: point B, point C and eventually devolving into what was
Speaker 1: which I can't really say much more about. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: so it was a nice juxtaposition of the two types
Speaker 1: of storytelling.
Speaker 2: You know, going back on more than three dozen films
Speaker 2: reviewed and I don't know how many hundreds of movies
Speaker 2: we watched over the years, and I'm sure there's one
Speaker 2: like it. I'm just hard pressed to come up with
Speaker 2: a film like this, Ben where maybe Sorry to Bother
Speaker 2: You it would be one of these, but where we
Speaker 2: have this sort of expectation going in of what this
Speaker 2: film's about. It sets up pretty well for what it's
Speaker 2: about in the first thirty minutes or whatever, but then
Speaker 2: the last two thirds of it something totally different, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: something total, and Sorry to Bother You obviously comes to mind,
Speaker 2: but I mean other than that, I mean that that's
Speaker 2: what I think makes this so unique. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: can't say unique because unique means it's one of a kind.
Speaker 2: This is not one of a kind.
Speaker 1: Film, but in this world, one of a kind's damn
Speaker 1: near impossible at this point.
Speaker 2: So because everybody takes elements from other things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, there's really only what is it? There's like
Speaker 1: seven stories that you can tell what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it. It's like the hero's journey. Well,
Speaker 1: the hero's.
Speaker 2: Journey is like one thing, right and like, and there
Speaker 2: will be people that will tell you that every film
Speaker 2: it has some sort of version of the of the
Speaker 2: hero's journey, Like every film is a hero's journey.
Speaker 1: Okay, but it's it's executed differently. Sure, but like to
Speaker 1: like make a very extreme example, the Who's On First?
Speaker 1: With Abbott and Constello is one of the most famous
Speaker 1: things ever.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you're bringing this up. Okay, randomly, last
Speaker 2: this would have been.
Speaker 1: Friday.
Speaker 2: My kids had their Fine Arts uh presentation at school,
Speaker 2: which is just like music and whatever. Sure, randomly Friday morning,
Speaker 2: I'm like, god, you know what, I had?
Speaker 1: The Who's On First?
Speaker 2: Like my parents got me the audio cassette back in
Speaker 2: the day for Christmas, and I thought it was great
Speaker 2: and I used to have the whole thing memorized.
Speaker 1: I listened to it so much.
Speaker 2: Anyway, randomly on Friday, I'm like, God, I haven't listen.
Speaker 1: I gotta go on YouTube and watch that.
Speaker 2: You know, because just to watch it again this Fine
Speaker 2: Arts presentation. Hours after I have this, two of the
Speaker 2: older kids executed the Who's On First.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful.
Speaker 2: It was wonderful, but really weird, right yeah, and then
Speaker 2: now here I am later, I know this story.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I.
Speaker 2: Felt I So I watched it on YouTube last night
Speaker 2: because I remembered. I'm like, oh, I never watched it,
Speaker 2: and I watched the movie version, which I shouldn't have
Speaker 2: because there's no laugh track in there, and I think
Speaker 2: those guys are really good at playing off audience reactions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I should have watched the actual like radio version
Speaker 2: or television show version. And then I fell down the
Speaker 2: Abbot and Costello rabbit hole. God, so much stuff I
Speaker 2: learned about those guys anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, the only reason I bring them up.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen And this is gonna sound ridiculous
Speaker 1: because these are two of the classic people in all
Speaker 1: of Hollywood and comedy. Have you ever seen the Jason
Speaker 1: Lee and Tom Green vehicle stealing Harvard? No? I have not, okay,
Speaker 1: but but I know of it. There's a scene where
Speaker 1: they're intending to break into a wealthy person's house. Jason
Speaker 1: Lee needs thirty thousand dollars and he's like yeah. Tom
Speaker 1: Green's like, yeah, it's gonna be easy in and out,
Speaker 1: no risk. And he's like, all right, let's go. He says,
Speaker 1: what do you mean let's go? And Jason Lee's like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go break into the house. He goes, well, no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna break into the house. I don't need any money.
Speaker 1: Why should I assume the risk? He says, you just
Speaker 1: said there is no risk. He goes, there's not. Like
Speaker 1: it's a circular. It's the same principle, completely different execution.
Speaker 1: And I'd argue it's very funny. I'll show it to
Speaker 1: you when we get off the air. It's a very
Speaker 1: funny scene. And it's all about the execution and delivery
Speaker 1: that makes things unique. So even though we've seen everything before,
Speaker 1: it's a matter you're not necessarily horse cocaine really can't
Speaker 1: be due done more than one way, But it could
Speaker 1: be like Magnolia and instead of having horse cocaine, it
Speaker 1: just starts raining frogs for no reason when everything hits
Speaker 1: a boiling point and then it just starts. That's basically
Speaker 1: the same kind of idea, but X shown to you
Speaker 1: in an entirely different way with an entirely different plot.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of the same thing again here
Speaker 1: as well, although I'd argue not in the same realm
Speaker 1: as those two examples we just gave in terms of
Speaker 1: a memorability, But also am I the weird one? Like
Speaker 1: who else knows what's Sorry to Bother You? Is?
Speaker 2: Magnolia is very famous? Like how many people You're the
Speaker 2: only person. Okay, you're the only person ever to bring
Speaker 2: up Sorry to Bother You with me? And anytime I've
Speaker 2: talked about this film with other people, like yeah, my
Speaker 2: buddy Ben that I do this podcast with, he's the
Speaker 2: one who told me about it, They're like, I never
Speaker 2: heard of it. And then some of them are actually
Speaker 2: watching and they're like, wow, that was pretty messed up,
Speaker 2: you know good?
Speaker 1: But yeah, exactly, there are people in their eighties because
Speaker 1: I do am talk and there are people in their
Speaker 1: eighties that would like find me on Twitter and be like, Ben,
Speaker 1: I watched Sorry to Bother You and I'm just sing
Speaker 1: and they're looking at their profile picture picturing them looking
Speaker 1: at this naked horseman in way of all the movie
Speaker 1: suggestions I've made you although it is one of my favorites. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the one you listened to
Speaker 1: me and have decided to comment about. What was their
Speaker 1: reaction to it? They were like, oh, really, it was
Speaker 1: really uniquest. When you're eighty, you're probably just looking for
Speaker 1: anything new, right.
Speaker 2: If I'm but dude, if I'm eighty, I would not
Speaker 2: understand like what was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's probably a lot they needed to think.
Speaker 2: Could you You said it's one of your favorites. Could
Speaker 2: you if somebody because I can't do this, if somebody
Speaker 2: told you to rank your top five movies of all time?
Speaker 1: Could you do it? No, because it's it's environmental. Like
Speaker 1: if you were like, tell me your top five adolescent movies,
Speaker 1: tell me your top five movies since you moved to Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: tell me your top five I could do that in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. But in terms of like I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: Fight Club and Sorry to Bother You, the Dark Knights,
Speaker 1: like those are all in some realm of my top movies,
Speaker 1: but I've liked to actually rank them. They're just so different.
Speaker 1: Your first piate the care bean freaking love that met,
Speaker 1: and then it changes over time, of course, exactly because
Speaker 1: you get different stuff out of it every single time,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: For a while, so for I really held on to
Speaker 2: these epics. Like to me, if I'm gonna say my
Speaker 2: favorite movie of all time is blah blah blah, it's
Speaker 2: got to be some epic type of like really involved filmmaking, storyline,
Speaker 2: acting whatever. I can't I can't put dumb and Dumber
Speaker 2: up there, sure no for no offense to the people.
Speaker 1: But I can put it best comedy, yeah totally. But
Speaker 1: best film overall, Balky's best picture. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So for a while, I don't think I really had one.
Speaker 2: And then I saw Titanic for the first time and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, this is blew me away right,
Speaker 2: and and yet the love story whatever, but just the
Speaker 2: actual filmmaking, the cinematography, I mean, the setup that you
Speaker 2: had for this movie, like an hour and a half
Speaker 2: or two hours. That was like an hour and a
Speaker 2: half before this Iceberg even enters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 2: And I have both of them. Yeah, I should say
Speaker 2: both of them. If I have one, I obviously have
Speaker 2: the other. So so for that, like the setup was
Speaker 2: so involved and then I'm actually feeling like I'm I'm
Speaker 2: on this ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: So then I don't know for like, and I could
Speaker 2: only bring myself to watch it once a year because
Speaker 2: it just got it took so much.
Speaker 1: Out of it, watch a bunch.
Speaker 2: Then years later the Curious Case of Benjamin Button held
Speaker 2: the held the title for me, that's interesting and I
Speaker 2: don't know what it was if I identified with this
Speaker 2: kid who was born an old man and then dies
Speaker 2: a baby, you know whatever, and how backwards his life
Speaker 2: is and you are taken through it is an epics
Speaker 2: story man, like the stuff with his father, with the
Speaker 2: Chicken Russia, with with the dancer, like all in the
Speaker 2: the old folks. So I mean like it is so
Speaker 2: in the hersham Ma hershaw Ali, who is brilliant in this.
Speaker 2: And oh the other woman I can't think she was
Speaker 2: in for brother the three thousands, andre three thousands wife
Speaker 2: she was in Oh I don't know what her name? Okay,
Speaker 2: look it up, look, look it up. A Curious Case
Speaker 2: of Benjamin Button. She was great in it, and I
Speaker 2: can't think of what her name is, but but she
Speaker 2: was great. So she had all these other characters that
Speaker 2: that were fantastic in Itaji Pnsen, That's who it was.
Speaker 1: She was great.
Speaker 2: So and then and that movie too, I watched it
Speaker 2: like two or three times. I'm like, I can't. It
Speaker 2: takes too much out of me. I don't have time,
Speaker 2: and so like I would not consider I do like
Speaker 2: that movie and the way it tied in with Katrina
Speaker 2: and everything at the end, which.
Speaker 1: Is really cool.
Speaker 2: I do like that movie, but I can't label it
Speaker 2: as my favorite of all time. So if somebody were
Speaker 2: to ask me, bulky, don't even rank them, just what's
Speaker 2: your favorite movie all time?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know where to begin, right, and I'd
Speaker 1: have a starting point. But starting.
Speaker 2: The other thing too, is I and You've added horror
Speaker 2: to my repertoire a little bit, and I'm starting like
Speaker 2: that genre more so. Sure I did, but for me
Speaker 2: it was like comedy, drama, action, you know, thrillers, psychological
Speaker 2: thrillers like like those. I liked everything like rom com
Speaker 2: is really the only thing. I just can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. I cannot get on board with you.
Speaker 2: There's certain romantic comedies that that are fine or whatever,
Speaker 2: but mostly I can't.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a Hope Floatsky. You won't. You won't
Speaker 1: see me talking about that.
Speaker 2: So but now I add horror to this, and like
Speaker 2: this is a completely other thing too, where I can't
Speaker 2: really Now I'm just enjoying film for the sake of
Speaker 2: enjoying film.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, and like it's almost impossible and we're so
Speaker 1: far off topic, but I love it because I just
Speaker 1: saw this post three days ago, and the fact that
Speaker 1: you mentioned Titanic is kind of ironic, much like I
Speaker 1: did the of it and Costello. But some an account
Speaker 1: that I follow on Twitter put up two Rotten Tomatoes
Speaker 1: sites and was like, really, and it is really, you're
Speaker 1: trying to tell me that Titanic is worse than Sam
Speaker 1: Raimi's Dragged Me to Hell from two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: and you look and Drag Me to Hell has a
Speaker 1: higher critics and audience score than Titanic does, and like,
Speaker 1: if you ask me, drag Me to Hell all day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But like it's it's a matter of like reviewing it
Speaker 1: for what it is.
Speaker 2: Does that say something about the people who are going
Speaker 2: on Rotten Tomatoes and just movie critics in general.
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely. And I've always been a firm believer, like
Speaker 1: Dumb and Dumber with critics always was rated like now
Speaker 1: it's kind of adjusted because enough people with common sense
Speaker 1: have become critics. But like when Rotten Tomatoes was new,
Speaker 1: Dumb and Dumber on critics would be like thirty five
Speaker 1: to forty percent. It's like it's slapstick blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's called dumb and dumber. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like what are in the title?
Speaker 3: Yeah, every you got exactly what you wanted out of
Speaker 3: that man. Anyone went to that movie got exactly what
Speaker 3: they wanted in the in the critics score didn't reflect that.
Speaker 3: And I have noticed as time has gone on the
Speaker 3: Freaking Terrifier series, all three of them from critics has
Speaker 3: over a ninety percent review rating, even though they are
Speaker 3: most they're so graphic that I can barely get through them,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this has a ninety two percent because
Speaker 3: you know what you're getting, and you're like, if I
Speaker 3: wanted to be grossed out by a mime, I got
Speaker 3: that for an hour and a half. I got that,
Speaker 3: and the reviews kind of reflect that. And I still
Speaker 3: maintain Drag Me to Hell's a very underrated classic.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, and by the way, you're not the only
Speaker 2: one who's who said that. Yeah, okay, So regarding the
Speaker 2: Terrifier thing, is there, I mean, are there levels of execution.
Speaker 1: Of like executions of bad work.
Speaker 2: Are there levels of how things are presented to the
Speaker 2: viewer that are better in Terrifier that are not as
Speaker 2: good in some other yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so it's very nihilistic. It just feels heavy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So from as much from an artok this is
Speaker 2: going to sound like an oxymoron. From from an objective
Speaker 2: artistic standpoint, Yeah, you can make the case a pretty
Speaker 2: strong case that Terrifier does things better. Yeah, and those
Speaker 2: films better than it's peers in a genre.
Speaker 1: Then Hatchet, and like Hatchet's an enjoyable movie, but it's
Speaker 1: more of a comedy. They kind of stay lighthearted. This
Speaker 1: the best way I can describe the Terrify would you
Speaker 1: what would you? Yeah, okay, what would you compare Terrifier
Speaker 1: to nothing? Okay? And because the best way I can
Speaker 1: describe it is when I was a kid. I was
Speaker 1: a thrill Secret's why I like horror movies when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, and I'd always ride roller coasters. I
Speaker 1: went to Cedar Point and I was sixteen years old
Speaker 1: and I was on the drag Cedar Point. I heard
Speaker 1: it's like the they call themselves the roller coaster capital
Speaker 1: of the world. They have they have a roller coaster
Speaker 1: there called the Dragster that goes where is is this
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, Ohio? Oh okay. It goes one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty eight miles an hour and it just shoots you
Speaker 1: up a hill and you're four hundred and thirty feet
Speaker 1: in the air and then you just go straight down
Speaker 1: and that's the whole ride, and you go, but you
Speaker 1: it's like go and you're going one hundred and twenty eight.
Speaker 1: They have a phenomenon right there. You see yourself hit it.
Speaker 1: You go up. You're watching them test it and sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't clear the top of it because it's too windy,
Speaker 1: and they're like, we got to wait a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there. I was sixteen and my
Speaker 1: brother was fourteen. It is the only time because like
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't give a crap. I'm
Speaker 1: here with my hands up and like I'm loose on
Speaker 1: that one you saw me holding the thing. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: when is this actually gonna take off? I actually can
Speaker 1: feel it in the pit of my stomach. I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: I know I'll be fine, but like I am anxious
Speaker 1: about what's about to happen. When Terrifier three came out
Speaker 1: most recently, and like they put it on a streaming service,
Speaker 1: I watched it the first day it was available, and
Speaker 1: I had the drags. I'm like, yeah, all right, I
Speaker 1: guess we're doing this. This is how long? Two hours
Speaker 1: and twelve minutes? All right, let's do those are two
Speaker 1: hour movies. I'm like, all right, let's see. And like
Speaker 1: the third one starts, the main character who's in it
Speaker 1: said that he saw the scene for the opening scene,
Speaker 1: the way it was decorated and vomited, and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. And I watch it, and I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I've seen worse. But it's the it's the
Speaker 1: context behind what happens in the first scene where you
Speaker 1: were you said, you see what you see, and you're
Speaker 1: just like, okay, this probably would resonate with me more
Speaker 1: if I were in a different phase of my life.
Speaker 1: But I can understand why this would hit home with people.
Speaker 2: And so would it be better if you would have
Speaker 2: seen those when you were younger?
Speaker 1: See I I'd like, I like that, we're going down
Speaker 1: this rabbit hole. But I always say, if I had kids,
Speaker 1: I would show them the stuff that I grew up on,
Speaker 1: because I think this would have turned me off to horror.
Speaker 1: Like I needed to see Freddy like turn into a
Speaker 1: TV and jam someone's face into a TV. I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that was silly, welcome to prime time, bitch, like fun times.
Speaker 1: I'm seven years old, Like ah good, I was quoting
Speaker 1: that all the time, terrifying. It just hits levels of
Speaker 1: just like I said, just extreme nihilism and extreme grossness.
Speaker 1: And there is a plot and like again it's it's
Speaker 1: like a very pro feminist movie. It's gonna sound ridiculous,
Speaker 1: Like there's a there's a through point that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this has a really coherent message throughout these entire films,
Speaker 1: Like there is attention to detail and a quasi plot there.
Speaker 1: But it's the third the second I plot, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: second one's two hours and thirty two minutes long. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm not even joking. An hour and forty five to
Speaker 1: an hour fifty minutes of it is just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, come on, he's just like Glory shopping one
Speaker 1: limb after and doing these awful things to these people,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, how am I getting through this?
Speaker 1: And like that? That that to me. My brother will
Speaker 1: tell you that it's the best thing he's ever seen,
Speaker 1: the third one, because they just after you see the
Speaker 1: third one, you really can't watch the second one anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like a John Wick movie because once you see
Speaker 1: literally you're like, oh, the second one's kind of passe
Speaker 1: all things. And the fourth one, which is coming out
Speaker 1: in October, which I won't make us do, but it's
Speaker 1: the final one. That's not There's no way it's going
Speaker 1: to be the final one.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you, man, it's telling the plut they're
Speaker 1: actually going to hell for the fourth movie because the
Speaker 1: third one, let's just say, there's a reason on the.
Speaker 2: Fifth one they'll go back to hell. There's I've seen
Speaker 2: I know what Vin Diesel does. Okay, it's it's not
Speaker 2: something that can't be duplicated.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the Tom Cruise, Vin Diesel, all these guys,
Speaker 2: they know how to do it, and the Terrifier is
Speaker 2: going to figure it out as well. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 2: as long as this film is making money and it
Speaker 2: is buzzy, you know, like I've never seen any of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when it.
Speaker 2: Comes to be like Halloween, everybody's talking about Terrifier, we
Speaker 2: gotta watch a terrifier, more terrifier, Terrifier.
Speaker 1: Like, you can't have.
Speaker 2: That much attention focused on you by the American viewing
Speaker 2: public and maybe even worldwide viewing public and just be
Speaker 2: like now we're gonna we're gonna wrap.
Speaker 1: Up the story.
Speaker 2: Now you're not Jerry Seinfeld. You can't just you can't
Speaker 2: just go out like that. That's not there's so many
Speaker 2: people that that would be craving more. There's gonna be more.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a British direct. I'll make a bet on this. Okay,
Speaker 2: when did the first one come out?
Speaker 1: Let me double check that, let me double chaw. And
Speaker 1: it's over ten years old, right, Well it actually it
Speaker 1: started off it was like if you've ever seen Creep Show,
Speaker 1: it was he hit Art. The clown was a character
Speaker 1: in the creepshow. Okay, not literally. Creep show was called
Speaker 1: All Hallow's Eve, but it was one of the three
Speaker 1: stories that were told. The clown was there. But the
Speaker 1: first Terrifier release, uh March fifteenth, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's eight years old. So he's been coming
Speaker 2: over about every two or three years.
Speaker 1: Twenty two and then twenty four, and then it's coming
Speaker 1: out in October, I believe of this year. Confirmed for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is all it says.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this right now, before we hit
Speaker 2: twenty January first, twenty thirty, we will have a fifth
Speaker 2: Terrifier film out in the pub.
Speaker 1: Now, I'll take that, all right. What do you want
Speaker 1: to say? Fifty fifty bucks? All right, all right, there
Speaker 1: you go. You guys are a witness here January first,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty. If I'm still alive, I'm getting the time
Speaker 1: of I'm time staying okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Eleven, okay, so real quick. As long as they're super
Speaker 2: off topic. I don't know how he This is a
Speaker 2: disservice to Jason Siegeld Tomorrow Weaving.
Speaker 1: I like where we ended up on this.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the tales from eighty five Stranger things.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that at all? There's one the you
Speaker 1: brought it up with me, but I have not seen
Speaker 1: it yet.
Speaker 2: Robert England one of the it's obviously animated, so he's
Speaker 2: not in it, but he plays I can't remember the
Speaker 2: character's name, but it's one word and he's he's the
Speaker 2: voice of this one character entails from eighty five, which
Speaker 2: is going to be very very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was trying to react.
Speaker 2: My brain said, when you brought up Freddy him like
Speaker 2: I was just talking about him the other day. So
Speaker 2: that'll be that'll be cool. Okay, we gotta bring it back.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if I have anything else to
Speaker 2: say about this. It's difficult to talk about the last
Speaker 2: hour of the movie and any more detailed than we've
Speaker 2: already did. So I'll just I'll sum this up. I'll
Speaker 2: sum this up. Slow burn set up. It only took
Speaker 2: about a half hour. I had myself wondering, what where
Speaker 2: are they gonna go from here? Yeah, the last hour
Speaker 2: I loved it was great. I didn't know what was
Speaker 2: gonna happen next. Ben would agree with me that it
Speaker 2: was over the top. I liked the over the top
Speaker 2: aspects of it. More so than Ben did. It was, dude,
Speaker 2: it was just I didn't know what I was watching.
Speaker 2: It was it was so it was just fun. It
Speaker 2: was so fun. Not cathartic is the wrong word, but
Speaker 2: it was so much fun watching this. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: just wanted it to keep going, you know, until you know,
Speaker 2: the story eventually resolved itself and we got the ending
Speaker 2: and what have you. So, I dude, I thought this
Speaker 2: was a really fun watch. I was thinking about this
Speaker 2: for a while. I'm giving it an eight, and I
Speaker 2: I know that's going to be higher than you, but
Speaker 2: this is a solid eight for me. This is this
Speaker 2: is right up there with Send Help, the the Sam
Speaker 2: Rockwell one that we watched Lock Half Fun, Don't Die,
Speaker 2: right up there with kind of like I don't want
Speaker 2: to say obserdist, but like stuff that like you know,
Speaker 2: you really got to suspend disbelief.
Speaker 1: Yeah, time chewing scenery, I think is probably a phrase
Speaker 1: that we banded about quite a bit describing this movie.
Speaker 2: So so so for so for this, it's right up
Speaker 2: there with that, Like this falls into the growing larger
Speaker 2: bucket of movies I probably wouldn't have seen if we
Speaker 2: weren't doing this podcast. Yeah, and I'm glad I watched
Speaker 2: it because it was so much fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not mad that I watched it, but
Speaker 1: I'm more in the in the sixth range. However, I
Speaker 1: do reserve the right. I'm going to give it a
Speaker 1: second viewing, and I reserve the right to come back
Speaker 1: to this at a future episode. I'll be like, that'll
Speaker 1: be the cold open. I'll be like, hey, you know.
Speaker 2: And like the the plot twist will be lost on
Speaker 2: you because you'll know it's coming, right. But I think
Speaker 2: the execution of the stuff I really thought you were
Speaker 2: going to enjoy over the last forty minutes.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. And I'm very good at putting
Speaker 1: myself in that mindset of just like like I can
Speaker 1: watch Jaws and know that like when Jaws came out,
Speaker 1: no one knew what it was about because trailers weren't
Speaker 1: what they used to be, Like, no one knew what
Speaker 1: they were getting into. They just went in and were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder what this Jaws movie is and they were floored.
Speaker 1: And like, I can put myself in that, in that boat,
Speaker 1: even though I metaphorically speaking of metaphorically speaking, you needed
Speaker 1: a bigger one. I must figure one.
Speaker 2: So the other and I just want to touch on
Speaker 2: this real quick. The other character that we I gave
Speaker 2: short shrift to was the guy who played Jason Siegel's
Speaker 2: dad in this film. And I can't remember what the
Speaker 2: actor's name is, but he is a longtime character actor
Speaker 2: and I recognized him immediately, Ben And maybe you did,
Speaker 2: maybe you didn't. You probably didn't. But I love the
Speaker 2: movie Spotlight. You know I've talked about that before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was in Spotlight. Okay, Yes, the scene with Michael
Speaker 2: Keaton and him at the bar having a drink and
Speaker 2: he kind of tells Michael Keaton's character, you know, this
Speaker 2: is the church, you probably need to back off. He
Speaker 2: also was in the scene with Michael Keaton Rachel McAdams
Speaker 2: the teacher, and then he's sort of like a liaison
Speaker 2: with the school district and the Catholic church. The four
Speaker 2: of them were meeting at the school and then they
Speaker 2: walk across the street to the Boston Globe. Those are
Speaker 2: the only two scenes I remember him being in. I
Speaker 2: think he was in more, but I'm like, that's the
Speaker 2: dude from Spotlan. Yeah, and you never think it was
Speaker 2: such a button and it was the same guy obviously,
Speaker 2: but he was such a buttoned up guy in Spotlight and.
Speaker 1: This he was just he was awesome. Man. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that guy was great. Oh my god. And then the car.
Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about the car. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know stuff like that existed in real life.
Speaker 2: A samurai swords, shift knobs, that's awesome. And the lighting,
Speaker 2: oh god, it was just great. And consider the guy
Speaker 2: driving it. Now, maybe that's one of the over the
Speaker 2: top things, sure for you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I dig it, and I always find
Speaker 1: it interesting the character actor is used as an insult
Speaker 1: because to me, those are some of the best people.
Speaker 1: That's what makes movies movies, because you can be one thing,
Speaker 1: who were we just saying Samorrow weavings kind of just
Speaker 1: the one thing in most movies, Whereas if you can
Speaker 1: play four distinct characters, that's a hell of a skill
Speaker 1: that I should be more appreciated. I think that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, character actors are are are celebrated amongst their peers,
Speaker 2: I think, yes, but not amongst.
Speaker 1: It's like the term a comedian's comedian, where like they
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily commercially accepted, but amongst other comedians, Like, no,
Speaker 1: that's actually a super funny guy, but it's just not
Speaker 1: commercially funny. Yeah, and it's a similar idea.
Speaker 2: And like the great ones are memorable enough for like
Speaker 2: casting directors be like, oh, we should get this guy
Speaker 2: or this woman for this part or whatever, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, before you know what, this guy
Speaker 2: or this woman have like forty credits to their name,
Speaker 2: Like how did they get all this work?
Speaker 1: They're good at their job. There's one I'm going to
Speaker 1: see if it works. Character actor BoJack Horsemen. Yeah, character
Speaker 1: actress Margo Martindale. She's not I don't even think you
Speaker 1: can call our character actor.
Speaker 2: I know she's been Academy Award nominated at least once, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe twice. Now, she's been in a ton of stuff
Speaker 2: and granted, yeah she's a character actor and a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff, but she's I mean, like you you don't
Speaker 2: get I think once you are Academy Award nominated, you can't.
Speaker 1: Be a character. But have you not did you not
Speaker 1: watch BoJack Horseman at all on that place? I've seen
Speaker 1: a couple episodes, so it's a running bit throughout all
Speaker 1: five seasons where like they don't even know that she's there,
Speaker 1: but she was the nurse in one scene like how
Speaker 1: does she disappear into all these roles? And like that's
Speaker 1: always my career. I just yeah, that's the quintessential character
Speaker 1: actor to me is Margot Martindale. But yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: that feels like a good note. I realized while we
Speaker 1: were talking, I need to start sending you the links
Speaker 1: to the movies that I think because I can't. I
Speaker 1: saw like four, I'm like, oh that comes out me first,
Speaker 1: but I remember any of them.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have a list here, and there's one
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that you're gonna say, and you're probably gonna say, no,
Speaker 2: we're not doing it. I'm not going to tell you
Speaker 2: which one is cool. I want you to tell me
Speaker 2: which one you want to see. Okay, So here are
Speaker 2: the choices. This is what I got lined up for us.
Speaker 2: There's this movie called Hokum with Adam Scott. It's a
Speaker 2: horror movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just saw the trailer for it and it
Speaker 1: spoke to me a little. But yeah, well let's see
Speaker 1: what else you got.
Speaker 2: There's Omaha, which looks like a really kind of heavy
Speaker 2: drama about a guy bringing his kids cross country on
Speaker 2: a trip after something happens to their mother. I bring
Speaker 2: it up because John mcgaro's in it. John mcgaro, I
Speaker 2: think is like an underrated actor. He was in The
Speaker 2: Big Short. He was the neurotic guy of brown Hole Capital. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I brought him up before. I think he's a
Speaker 2: good actor.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's that one audience, so.
Speaker 2: They can't forget it, and that's the reaction I expected.
Speaker 2: But I thought i'd bring it up on the On
Speaker 2: the list I'm looking at, this is not in alphabetical order,
Speaker 2: and Omaha was listed first, So like, okay, well, this
Speaker 2: obviously must be somebody thinks it's good.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Animal Farm is an animated adventure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the book and I probably will
Speaker 1: see that movie in my free time. I reference it
Speaker 1: all the time on my show. But it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like this movie particularly sticks to the plots. And if
Speaker 1: that's the case, then I'm not interested, all right, And
Speaker 1: then you have the Circus directed it though it might
Speaker 1: be good and that don't take that as an indictment
Speaker 1: in case it turns out to.
Speaker 2: Pop Animal Friends, which I believe is another animated movie
Speaker 2: coming out this weekend. Dan Levy less interest in that oneay, Yeah, uh,
Speaker 2: Devil wears Prada to get out of here, keep moving.
Speaker 2: Never saw the first one that yeah, either, and then
Speaker 2: I thought saving the one that I really wanted for last.
Speaker 1: Now I don't see it on here. Maybe it's not.
Speaker 1: I thought it'd open up this weekend. What is it?
Speaker 1: Deep water?
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that's the one I was gonna suggest, really,
Speaker 2: because that's when I was like, he'll never go for it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to send you a screenshot. So, like,
Speaker 1: I have a habit. And this is going to sound
Speaker 1: ridiculous to people listening to me, but if you know
Speaker 1: me personally, it makes perfect sense. I'm very big on
Speaker 1: box and whisker plots to describe exactly how much I think.
Speaker 1: Whisker Yeah, so basically breaks things up into quartiles, like
Speaker 1: you have the top twenty five percent, the bottom twenty
Speaker 1: five percent, and the two twenty five percent. And I
Speaker 1: can use them very frequently.
Speaker 2: To like, oh, what does box and whisker have anything
Speaker 2: to do with it?
Speaker 1: Because you make boxes and then the whiskers kind of
Speaker 1: represent the top twenty five and bottom twenty five percent,
Speaker 1: and in the box is the middle like the average
Speaker 1: either slightly below or above average, and you're just describing
Speaker 1: a bell curve, aren't you? Sort of It's a different
Speaker 1: way to kind of put that same kind of information
Speaker 1: out there. After I saw Cocaine Bear, someone was like,
Speaker 1: how good was Cocaine Bear? I said, let me make
Speaker 1: you a box and whisker plot of all of the
Speaker 1: creature feature movies, and then I'll show you where Cocaine
Speaker 1: Bear ends up on my list, and like, what's funny is?
Speaker 1: And I never noticed it about myself, but in the
Speaker 1: top percentile of the box and whisker plot, it was
Speaker 1: deep blue sy forty seven meters down the sequel the
Speaker 1: original forty seven meters down Jaws. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so obviously I like shark movies. And I didn't know
Speaker 1: this until I actually the Shallows was high up on
Speaker 1: the list, and I was like, clearly, I just like
Speaker 1: shark movies. And I didn't know this about myself until
Speaker 1: I saw it in writing, Well, what about what did
Speaker 1: you think of open Water? That's by far the worst
Speaker 1: one of all and that's not really a shark movie, like,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you that was the no that scared
Speaker 1: the hell out of you. I always will equate you.
Speaker 2: The most creeped out Okay. So obviously the plot is wild.
Speaker 2: I mean it ends up, which this is kind of comparable.
Speaker 2: It seems like there's a little more you know, surface area.
Speaker 1: Who wants Okay.
Speaker 2: But here's the other thing too, with with open water,
Speaker 2: and I know it's hokey. I've went back and I've
Speaker 2: looked at this scene, Ben.
Speaker 1: And it is hoky.
Speaker 2: It's stupid, and yeah, it's not really well done. But
Speaker 2: the scene at the very end where the camera, oh
Speaker 2: my god. There has not been a shark movie that
Speaker 2: has executed anything I'm including Jaws Deep Blue Seed when
Speaker 2: the shark eats Samuel Jackson. There has not been anything
Speaker 2: anything ever that I've seen.
Speaker 1: Counterpoint, have you forty seven meters down too too? See
Speaker 1: two cage? Because you would never expect that that movie
Speaker 1: would be any good. Yeah, that's why it blows the
Speaker 1: first one in it? Right, nobody's in it relative to
Speaker 1: the first one. Nobody's in it. Yeah the Meg. We
Speaker 1: didn't even mention the Meg. Yeah, which, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: bit different. But like dude, forty seven meters down too,
Speaker 1: it's called uncaged because they're not even in a cage.
Speaker 1: But Ben, how do you how do you do a
Speaker 1: movie like that when you're not in a cage. They
Speaker 1: go to these underground it's three college age girls. They
Speaker 1: scuba dive down to check out these underground temples and
Speaker 1: they knock over pillars and it kind of traps them
Speaker 1: into thing, so they have to go out a separate way,
Speaker 1: and now they're basically in this underwater temple. And because
Speaker 1: they knocked the pillars over, the water water is Murky
Speaker 1: and the Sharks. The entire movie. I watched it clenched,
Speaker 1: you know what, was clenched for an hour and a
Speaker 1: half because when the sharks appeared, they looked real and
Speaker 1: it's hard to get me with a jump scare beca.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, Okay, you're gonna look at the thing,
Speaker 1: it won't be there. You're gonna look back and then
Speaker 1: it'll be there. That's not what they do. They She
Speaker 1: was just like, Oh, I've been lulled into a false
Speaker 1: sense of security. I don't even know if sharks are
Speaker 1: in this way. Yeah, all right, I gotta watch it.
Speaker 1: It's a hunt. I believe it's also on Netflix. It is,
Speaker 1: without a doubt, my favorite creature feature. Cocaine Bear is
Speaker 1: like in my bottom forty percent, like I wasn't impressed
Speaker 1: with it go on.
Speaker 2: Probably because the expectations and like the how people. You know,
Speaker 2: It's like when Gerard Butler came out with that movie Plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one was yeah exactly. I was excited for
Speaker 1: that after Yeah. No, So anyway, I don't think Cocaine
Speaker 1: Bear took itself seriously enough. I know it's a ridiculous sense.
Speaker 1: You know, we directed that. By the way, Elizabeth thinks, oh,
Speaker 1: I think she's in it, right, she's in it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that was Ray Liota's final film that he ever made.
Speaker 1: On top Yeah right, definitely wasn't the bottom, but like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, deep Water I'm in said Okay, good.
Speaker 2: So I didn't think you're gonna say Yesterda'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: balky that because I didn't realize you were this big
Speaker 2: of a shark movie fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, neither did I.
Speaker 2: There's another one. Did you see crawl at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: With the iterator Yeah, And there's one with a shark
Speaker 2: and yeah, and that. I just happened to be watching
Speaker 2: the trailer for that one day and I said to
Speaker 2: my wife, I'm like, hey, we should watch this sometime,
Speaker 2: and she's like, my dad won't shut up. About this movie.
Speaker 2: He wants to watch it a second time with me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he came over and they watched it. I
Speaker 2: had something going on to show or something. Remember what
Speaker 2: it was called, because I wanted to see that as well,
Speaker 2: and I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It's one word. Okay is it on Netflix? Is they
Speaker 1: watched Okay? Yeah, because I've seen that it advertises to him.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this dumb ass will love this. Yeah. Good,
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, I'm excited for that one. And hokum,
Speaker 1: that could end up banging. But uh, crash is what
Speaker 1: it's called. Crash Okay, Yeah, that's what it is. Hokum.
Speaker 1: I like, for all I know, this will be one
Speaker 1: of our biggest regrets because maybe it'll turn out Hocum's
Speaker 1: an instant classic, but like I'm not. I wasn't sold
Speaker 1: on it, And like if we don't, which everyone we
Speaker 1: don't see, We've got a pretty decent line up coming
Speaker 1: up with the Moratal Kombat movie and a handful of
Speaker 1: other up punish coming out two weeks away from Mortal
Speaker 1: Kombat two episodes. Yeah, we'll do deep Water and then
Speaker 1: we'll be where we'll come back. So uh and then
Speaker 1: I mean technically we could do HOKEM then, because after
Speaker 1: that we have the Punisher, which will be available forever
Speaker 1: by kind of like the cash in on that Punisher
Speaker 1: buzz right when it's new. So you know what, I
Speaker 1: just realized I didn't watch the airbla. Yeah I didn't either,
Speaker 1: I didn't see Yesterdays. But anyway, I think we've gone
Speaker 1: on long enough. Oh my god. Sorry, this was the
Speaker 1: most off topic of all off times. Yeah, let you
Speaker 1: guys know what you're getting into at this point, and
Speaker 1: so thanks for being here and we'll be back next week.