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He was evil personified in the spring of 49 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:56.280 nineteen ninety seven, a serial killer held Nashville, Tennessee, in 50 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:00.199 an icy grip of terror. In February, he murdered two 51 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:04.800 employees at a Captain D's restaurant. In March, he struck 52 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:08.960 a McDonald's just miles away, killing three people in maiming one. 53 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:12.719 In April, he kidnapped and slaughtered two Baskin Robin's employees. 54 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.840 They called him the fast Food Killer, but his real 55 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:19.599 name is Paul Dennis Reid Junior. When he was caught 56 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.840 and sentenced to seven death sentences, yet a new chapter 57 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.560 began in the saga of one of the most heinous 58 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:29.159 serial killers in our time and the people whose lives 59 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:32.520 he cut short. The victims were reduced to being called 60 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.360 the victims of Paul. Read until now Here for the 61 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:39.439 first time, and with the approval of the family and friends, 62 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.240 are the stories of those innocent young people whose lives 63 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:47.280 were ended far too soon. Is also the story of 64 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.240 how a crime ripped a city apart. The book they 65 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:55.199 were featuring this evening is when Nashville bled The Untold 66 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.080 Stories of serial killer Paul Dennis Reid with my special 67 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:03.000 guest journalists and offer judith A. Yates, welcome back to 68 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.680 the program, and thank you very much for agreeing this interview. 69 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.639 Judith A y again, Hey. 70 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.000 Dan, Hi, thank you so much for inviting me back. 71 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:15.759 Thank you. This is last time. It was amazing. This 72 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:21.959 is a far more twisted story, if that's even possible. 73 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:26.720 When Nashville bled, let's get right into this because this 74 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:29.319 is such an evolved case. And I know I always 75 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:33.360 say that, but as you do in the book, you 76 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:39.000 talk about Paul Dennis Reid Junior and his very very 77 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.079 eventful life and his mother Josephine Marie and they called 78 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:48.160 her Joni, and she had an abusive mother, and she 79 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:52.720 moved out at sixteen, and she left him for Fort Worth, 80 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:57.160 Texas and met Paul Reid sor and he was working 81 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.600 security as a security officer. Tell us a little bit 82 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.600 about some of his life. He was born November nineteen 83 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:07.120 fifty seven, so tell us a little bit about some 84 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:10.879 of the things in this eventful life that he had. 85 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:17.240 Well, his father was a security officer and then he 86 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:21.759 worked as a repoman and at that time, and for 87 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:25.879 Paul Senior that meant taking a bus to go where 88 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:29.000 he needed to pick up the vehicle and then driving 89 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.920 the vehicle back to wherever he needed to drop it off. 90 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:37.199 And Paul Senior had a taste for alcohol, so he 91 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:42.439 was also a raging alcoholic. And when they divorced, they 92 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:46.680 decided that they needed to children up. Paul Senior took 93 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.759 Paul Junior and basically dumped him off on Paul Junior's 94 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:59.600 paternal grandmother and along with a sister, and Paul Jr. 95 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:04.319 Was just a terror from day one. He was just 96 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.600 a mean little kid. He was stealing mail out of 97 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.839 mailboxes when he was tall enough to stand on his 98 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.079 tiptoes and reach into the mail. He was stealing the 99 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.399 laundry off the line when he was not even old 100 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:23.839 enough to go into school. His grandmother was sleeping in 101 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.000 her bed, woke up to the smell of smoke. He 102 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.240 had set the bed on fire with her sleeping in it, 103 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.920 and he would do things like close off her bedroom 104 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.160 door and push things in front of the door so 105 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:42.360 she couldn't escape. She would threaten to beat him, give 106 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.680 him a spanking, you know, correct him for things that 107 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.600 he was doing, and he would crawl up in the 108 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.519 tree or up on top of the garage and just 109 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:54.480 yell at her and yell horrible things at her for 110 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:56.920 not being able to catch him. She was a very old, 111 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:03.199 frail woman, you know. In this last deforation, she would 112 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:06.120 tie him to a chair just to keep him from 113 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:10.639 hurting himself and hurting others. And finally, in just one 114 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.439 of her last step to desperation, when he he'd thrown 115 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:18.680 a toy at her and cut her forehead open. And 116 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.120 he was also mean to other kids in the neighborhood, 117 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:26.680 same thing, throwing things at them, hurting them, not sharing toys. Finally, 118 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:30.639 she is called the priest. She's a very highus woman 119 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.639 and the priest that get him out of the household 120 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.439 before he kills you. And this is when he was 121 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.800 a child, and so that's what she did, is she 122 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.439 put him in a children's thone. 123 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:48.040 Yeah, you talk about this Burnett Baylor's Boy Home, boys 124 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:52.399 home in Houston, home for basically incorrigible children who were, 125 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:55.079 as they put it, or you put it, a potential 126 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:57.879 menace to society. And that was when he was eight. 127 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:01.439 So but you also talked about there are incidents and 128 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:06.800 again not to make reasons why he became the way 129 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.000 he was, but at least documented some of the things 130 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.600 that might have contributed to some kind of organic brain damage. 131 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.639 You talk about a thrown brick. Tell us a little 132 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.920 bit about a couple of the events that were reported 133 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.560 that occurred to young Paul. 134 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:27.680 Right now, later on in life and later on in 135 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.360 his trial when he was of course an adult. They 136 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:35.759 would contribute that, I'm sorry, attribute the things that he 137 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.440 did to incidents when he was a kid. He was 138 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.960 hit over the head with a brick. He was showing 139 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:45.080 off on a motorbike in front of the kids at 140 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.360 the children's home, fell off, the bike, landed on his head, 141 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.360 and he was struck and killed. I'm sorry, struck and 142 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.240 hit by a v hit goll very tongue tied tonight 143 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.480 for some reason. But he was struck and hit a 144 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:06.960 vehicle of all nights, right when he was small. So again, 145 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.759 you know, they were contributing to organic damage to his brain. 146 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:19.080 I believe the attorneys were calling it a broken brain 147 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.600 when he was being tried for these murders. You know, 148 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:30.320 it did affect his hearing in one ear and supposedly 149 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.240 affected his thought process too. Along the way, so that 150 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:38.759 he did have some damages to his head when he 151 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:39.279 was small. 152 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:46.080 You talk about some of the things that he he 153 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.879 had this obvious somewhat of a learning disability. So he 154 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.320 was slow in school, and so you talk about how 155 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.120 he compensated in school. He was even in special ed classes, 156 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.320 which he did not enjoy having to go on a 157 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.639 special bus. So how did he compensate in school for 158 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.519 this what you say, illiterate and starting school late at 159 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:05.240 seven years old? 160 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:10.240 Right? And you know, according to whoever you talked to, 161 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.799 it was the father's fault that he started school late. 162 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.759 It just you know, forgot to enroll him, or it 163 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:19.279 was the grandmother's fault. Well, you know, she's an elderly, frail, 164 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:23.559 sickly woman. She relied on the fathers who enrolling, so 165 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.720 who knows. Nonetheless, he started school late, he had some 166 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:32.000 learning issues which put him in what then was called 167 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:35.799 special education or did the best for special led. Well, 168 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.320 he was picked on, he was made fun of. So 169 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:44.440 he compensated by sports and found that he was good 170 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:48.360 in sports. And that's what he did to make up 171 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:52.440 for being a quote unquote slow learner quote unquote special 172 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:53.200 ed kid. 173 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.919 You also talk about that he was inspired by well 174 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.639 known figure at the time probably to some people today, 175 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:06.120 Jack Lelaine, and so he Turkey. They start taking up 176 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:10.759 working out, bodybuilding, and also at that time at least 177 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:13.080 decided not to smoke or drink. And you say he 178 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.080 always this is the guy that always always had a 179 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:16.960 gym membership. 180 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.919 Oh yeah, I mean Paul was pretty much in love 181 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.399 with himself. So ever since he was a young man, 182 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:29.600 he would belong to a gym, gout. He was obsessive about, uh, 183 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.639 you know, always working out. Later on, when he worked 184 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.120 in a restaurant, they would always call on Paul to 185 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.879 lift the heavy things, to pick up the stuff nobody 186 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:45.440 else could could handle. And even his restaurant manager told me, 187 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:49.759 he said it was amazing what Paul could lift up 188 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.639 and what he could do without breaking a sweat. And 189 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.759 one of the things he bought with the money that 190 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.519 he stole and killed some of the kids for was 191 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.559 a white set so he could work out at home 192 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.840 when he wasn't at the gym. But that's what he 193 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:10.039 would do. You know, he watched Jack Lelaine and he 194 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:14.679 followed the laying rules and right away started, you know, 195 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:19.679 his smoking and his drinking and supposedly never smoked or 196 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:23.519 drank or did drugs in his life. Wow. 197 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:27.679 You also talk were very interesting that he was on 198 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:34.000 medication very early, on drugs that were called anti anxiety tranquilizers. 199 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:39.360 And you say a psychoactive medicine, so names like equanill 200 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:45.000 pardon me in Milltown and mepro bamate. So maybe I'm 201 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.759 mispronouncing that, but anxiety disorders at that time diagnosed, at 202 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.879 least at that time you're talking about. Then he went 203 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:55.080 to middle school, junior high. He had gone to a 204 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:59.039 different couple different schools, and now that stigma of special 205 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:01.600 led was gone, at least people didn't know about it. 206 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:06.200 And at that time he met somebody that's will play 207 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.039 a bigger role in his life later, a boy named 208 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:12.399 Stuart Cook, and they both lived near school and hung out. 209 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.480 Tell us a little bit about what happens with his 210 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:21.440 mother and the divorce and who was his stepfather at 211 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.720 that time. Danny Mores tell us what Jonie does and 212 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:29.159 what Paul becomes as a result. 213 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:33.000 Well, Joni gets a good job in one of the 214 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:38.240 high rise apartments in Houston at a restaurant, and she 215 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:42.519 lets Paul work there. At the restaurant as a busboy, 216 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:47.240 and she lets him work behind the scenes at the 217 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:54.039 bar where he's running glasses and cleaning and such. And 218 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:59.759 because she's working at this restaurant, she has an at 219 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:03.039 this account or according to him, a free apartment at 220 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:08.440 this very very nice, posh apartment complex. And so what 221 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.840 he does is he's giving discounts under the table and 222 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:17.039 such two older young adults and according to Paul. Now 223 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.480 see it's all according to Paul. Because Paul is an 224 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:24.879 habitual liar, they are letting him in. And then after 225 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.519 our party is where people are smoking weed and they're 226 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:31.960 hanging outside on the patio smoking pod, and they're drinking 227 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:35.440 and they're having this great time, and Paul gets to 228 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.679 join them, and of course he's a hit with the ladies, 229 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.039 because no matter what Paul is doing in life, he 230 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:45.279 is always a hit with the ladies. And he meets 231 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:49.519 Stuart in junior high. They hit it off, and Stuart 232 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:55.159 becomes Paul's partner in crime. And they really match up 233 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.840 in this respect because one kind of pulls the other 234 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:03.879 one along, and they get this great idea about, you know, 235 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:08.360 petty criminal activity. They both like to race cars, they 236 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.399 both like to cruise the boulevard and look for girls 237 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.639 and impress the girls and or try to And they 238 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.039 basically just like to drive around and have a good 239 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.519 time and talk to girls, and you know, just the 240 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.759 typical thing that young men like to do and at 241 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:32.360 the same time cook up these petty criminal acts. 242 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:38.279 You talk about that he lived with his mother until 243 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:40.759 he was sixteen years old, but you talk about you 244 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.840 have court records that he attempted to sexually assault his 245 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:49.320 sisters and his mother and they kicked them out right, 246 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:54.960 So right, So did it go any further? Was was 247 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.200 there any charges out of that? You don't seem to 248 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.000 elaborate on that, but suffice to say that was enough 249 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.399 to get him basically disowned from the family at that time, 250 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:04.600 wasn't it right? 251 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:11.279 You know, Paul's sisters and they really they were very 252 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.279 afraid of him and they didn't want him around them. 253 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:20.120 But yet when he was did of these crimes, they 254 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:25.200 stepped in fighting for him to not be executed, and 255 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.120 they testified for him during the trial. So that was 256 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.879 very interesting. But I couldn't find anything as far as charges, 257 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:40.159 but they did testify that he had tried to assault them, 258 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.679 sexually assault them and One of the times was when 259 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:53.919 the sister and he were using drugs and he tried 260 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.919 to sexually assault her. She never went into details, and 261 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:00.360 she had to kick him out of the house. The 262 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.159 mother as well and kicked him out of the house. 263 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.960 But I couldn't, you know, as much research as I did, 264 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.440 there just wasn't really anything existing except for you know, 265 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.640 the records that there were. Just there's just no details 266 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:15.279 to be found. 267 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:23.440 Another aspect of his strange behavior is that he was 268 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:27.279 working in Houston as a security guard and he met 269 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:31.359 a woman another employee named Jessica Neil. He had just 270 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:36.480 met her. He proposed December nineteen seventy nine, and nineteen 271 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:38.680 eighty was the he announced that he was getting married 272 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:44.000 to Jessica. Tell us what Paul's sister told her about 273 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.000 the marriage to her brother. 274 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:53.119 His sisters pulled her aside and were like woman to woman, 275 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:58.839 girlfriend and girlfriend, get out, get the hell away from 276 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:04.400 him before he ruined your life. And this is from 277 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:07.559 someone who grew up with him. Just get out and 278 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.039 don't do it. And that was kind of. 279 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:19.640 Wow. Yeah, you talked about that he really was in 280 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:21.680 love with himself, and you said he in the book 281 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:23.880 you write that he cared about his looks, his clothes, 282 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:26.880 his style, and really no one else. And he's getting 283 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:29.240 his old. As he was getting older, his crimes were 284 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.319 getting more serious, things like forgery. He had charges for 285 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:37.160 robbing a grocery store and those charges were dismissed. But 286 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.920 there was some assessment at psych hospitals around that time. 287 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:46.319 What did they say, was there any kind of serious evaluation? 288 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:48.240 Tell us a little bit about that. 289 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.920 There were evaluations, and they found him to be a 290 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:56.920 seriously dangerous individual. A state must be something in the air. 291 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:02.759 They designated him to be aangerously serious, serious individual. They 292 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.559 found him to be a danger to himself and others. 293 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:14.880 Right when he was he and his friend were, uh, 294 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:21.400 you know, they graduated to aggravated robbery and they they 295 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:28.119 robbed a Houston steakhouse. And when he was caught and 296 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:33.759 arrested and went to prison for that in the Texas 297 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:39.640 prison system and was evaluated, they wrote letters stating that 298 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:43.519 Paul Reid was a danger to himself, a danger to others, 299 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.680 and he should never be released from prison. Every evaluation 300 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.359 that I uncovered stated that. 301 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.720 It's interesting to you taught that you talk about that 302 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:59.440 that he acted like a kid and made a paper 303 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:03.079 hat put on his attorney's head, not even taking the 304 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:05.720 actual seriousness of the case. And he got a stiff 305 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:11.359 sentence twenty years in Texas State and with a prison 306 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.519 that had a mean, mean reputation, never mind the notorious 307 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.279 chain gangs. But and you say, he was a real 308 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:24.039 serious author of very serious strange letters too. And he 309 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:26.200 even wrote to the prosecutor. What did he say to 310 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:29.720 the prosecutor after he was given twenty years in Texas State? 311 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.960 He well, he put the paper hat on his attorney's 312 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.359 head and he fell over backwards in his chair. Basically 313 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:42.839 he was playing the crazy card, right, And you know, 314 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:48.000 whenever Paul was caught, he would play this this crazy card. Oh, 315 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:49.920 I don't know what I'm doing because I got hit 316 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:51.799 in the head with a you know, with a brick 317 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:54.559 when I was a kid, I fell off a motor BikeE. 318 00:20:55.240 --> 00:21:00.599 There's something seriously wrong with me. And having lived there 319 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:04.240 a long time, and you know, I've toured the prison system. 320 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:09.000 I know about it. Texas doesn't play and Paul knew that. 321 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:11.799 And he also knew that this was going to be 322 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:16.720 really serious times and he was scared. It's just like 323 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:18.880 he went to Brushy Mountain in Tennessee for a very 324 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:21.640 short time. And of course that's further on down the 325 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.400 interview that he was scared, and so that's when he 326 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.319 really started playing the crazy card. So he's writing letters 327 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.599 to his attorneys and he's saying, listen, if you get 328 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:35.160 me out of here, I'll snitch, I'll snitch on everybody 329 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:37.680 in this prison and tell you what they're doing. And 330 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.640 they're like, nope, sorry, So then he starts writing crazy letters. 331 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:46.680 You know, he's writing crazy letters to legal representations, he's 332 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:49.759 writing them to the governor, he's writing them to all 333 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.440 these political figureheads, and he's just writing crazy things about 334 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.759 mind control in the prison and you know, getting messages 335 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:02.599 from outer space. And he's clever, he's no fool, so 336 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:05.319 he knows that. How you know, here's what I have 337 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:08.079 to write to work the system. But nobody's falling for it. 338 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:15.759 You say, despite the Jack Lelaine fascination. He was went 339 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.440 in prison that three hundred pounds and not one of 340 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.839 none of it muscle whatsoever. But in there he did 341 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.960 get a license, you say, to be an electrician, and 342 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:32.079 he was paroled. Well, well, he's eventually paroled in nineteen 343 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:37.359 ninety due to overcrowding. And well, I say, some professionals opposed, 344 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:40.079 and why were they opposed to him getting out? We 345 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:40.599 already know that. 346 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:43.839 Yeah, definitely, he had served seven years of a twenty 347 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:49.039 year sentence and it was a new program to reduce overcrowding, 348 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:53.960 and he was paroled. And that's despite again these letters 349 00:22:54.000 --> 00:23:00.000 from from mental health professionals, from legal professionals, from prison staff, 350 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:04.279 and so do not release this individual, do not allow 351 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:07.480 him out and to be public. You know, it's bad enough, 352 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.960 he only got twenty years. He doesn't need to be outside. 353 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.799 He's going to hurt somebody, and he's you know, possibly 354 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:17.039 going to hurt himself. And yet he was still And 355 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:20.000 of course, as we know, the system is not always perfect. 356 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:24.119 The system you know, makes mistakes, has flaws, and he 357 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:27.720 walked out of there a man on parole. And what's 358 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:32.160 interesting is he only had to report you know, every 359 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:38.039 X number of day of days, and then after so 360 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.680 many months, he only had to report you know, X 361 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.359 number of months, and then down to so many times 362 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.720 a year. Because he knew how to play the good boy. 363 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:52.039 See no more mental health quote unquote issues anymore. He 364 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:54.960 knew how to play the good boy get a job. Yes, 365 00:23:55.039 --> 00:24:03.519 certain nos. Their report in do You're supposed to do Now? 366 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.799 You talk about that. He was working as a truck 367 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:11.160 driver from nineteen ninety but he got in a car accident, 368 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.400 the truck rolled and he was on workers' compensation until 369 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.960 nineteen ninety two, so he got a twenty five thousand 370 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:20.440 dollars settlement. He got braces on his teeth and plastic 371 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:22.799 surgery on his nose, so it altered the way he 372 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.680 looked forever. But they did what they could. They even 373 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.720 put a chemical peel on his face to get rid 374 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:31.440 of the acne and the acne scars, and paid for 375 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.519 other things at that time. But you said that his face, 376 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:39.680 it gave his face an unnatural smeared look. Maybe you 377 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:41.920 could describe that right. 378 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.839 If you look at pictures of Paul Reid, he doesn't 379 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:51.720 look natural. He has almost a very strange I don't 380 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:53.400 know how to explain it except to say, kind of 381 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:58.119 a smeared cartoonist. Look to his face and see. He 382 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:00.880 did all of these things because he was convinced that 383 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:04.400 he was going to be a famous country and Western star. 384 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.279 And he would tell people in Texas that he's going 385 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:09.599 to go to Nashville, and he's going to be the 386 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:12.759 next George Straight. He's going to be the next George Jones. 387 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.599 He's going to play the Grandell Lotpery and just blow 388 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.880 him down. Because he was just so fantastic, and he 389 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:24.359 had black and white, you know, gloss he's made of himself. 390 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:28.240 He bought some very expensive guitars, who knows how he 391 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:36.640 did that. He had expensive boots, Western hats, and he decided, Okay, 392 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.759 it's time to go to Nashville and be famous and 393 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:45.480 meet my destiny. And that's exactly what he did. And 394 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.599 he was just he was ready to be famous, rich 395 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.599 and famous is he saw it. And when he was 396 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:54.119 in Texas, he held jobs like you know, he'd pumped 397 00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.319 to gas at the gas station. He throve a truck, 398 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:01.119 but he would introduce himself as doctor Paul Reed, and 399 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.880 he'd liked to have his picture taken with real expensive cars. 400 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:07.960 Now Here he is pumping gas at a gas station. 401 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.799